iNTO THE FRAY 528: UFO-The Cube

Mike shares sightings of a very unique, cube-shaped UFO. This "craft" interacted with him during each encounter. He also talks about witnessing massive flying creatures in an extremely populated, urban location.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by
chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
mystery of time.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
And face.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
On this episode of into the phrase, I welcome Mike
on with me, and he emailed and immediately, and I
was just telling Mike this before we started this little
intro here, that one word stood out to me in
his email, and I'm not going to say the word yet,
but it will be coming up at some point, I'm
sure very soon. And it caught my interest straight away.

(01:23):
But Mike, you say that you have, in fact had
many strange experiences. It wasn't just that one thing with
that one word that I'm not going to say yet
because I'm going to keep it a surprise. But some
of them you say you were alone for and others
were in fact with other people. So I'm really looking
forward to hearing about all of that. And Mike, welcome

(01:45):
to the show. Thank you so much for reaching out
to me.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay, well, it's pleasure to be here. Thanks for taking
an interest in my experience.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well, I certainly did. It's the I think the biggest
step is probably just the reaching out and I do
very much appreciate you doing that well, Mike. I usually
keep it you probably heard the show. I keep it
pretty light and straight to the point. And with the
start of things, I always let whoever is telling their

(02:15):
encounters and stories take the reins with that. So wherever
you think we need to start, and you know, set
up with where we're, where we're talking about, and when
we're talking about. But you can take it away, okay.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I contacted you because I had an experience back in
nineteen seventy nine and I wanted to share that. I
was working at the time for a service company that
did food processing repairs and we were given service trucks
and these trucks went home with us every day and

(02:52):
we were radio dispatch. So that morning I called in
and they didn't have any service call. So then I
went down to the shop and that's where we brought
equipment in and repaired it and rebuilt things customers brought in,
and around eleven o'clock that day, call came to me

(03:13):
and they assigned it, well, they assigned it to me.
I hopped into my truck eleven twenty. I remember signing
the time sheet at eleven twenty and it was just
an easy right out of the parking lot and a
left and I'd be there. It's only about eleven or

(03:33):
twelve miles away. So I took a right out of
the parking lot, headed down to Harlem Road, got the
red light, and after that I made a left, started
down Harlem Road and the next cross street was going
to be William the Street, and I caught the red

(03:54):
light right at William Street. And as I rolled up
on the red light and breaked, I saw something in
the air directly ahead. And my first thought was, Oh,
the wind caught something that's tangled in the power line.

(04:16):
Must be somebody's shoes. And I immediately knew that it
wasn't somebody's shoes or anything like that. And my next
thought was, well, maybe it's a kite. And it wasn't
triangular or anything at that point, and then I'm like, well, no,

(04:36):
this is something different, something completely different. So I kept
my eye on it, and next thing you know, it
took on the shape and I'm thinking, oh, is that
somebody's box kite? Like it was square at one end
and then broken at the other end is how it appeared.
And I'm looking at this going what the heck is?

(05:00):
This is not a residential neighborhood. It's businesses on both sides.
Directly ahead as an overpass, it goes over a rail yard,
and I'm thinking, and what is that? And next thing,
you know, it started to move. And what it was

(05:20):
doing was it was starting to spin, and then it
was moving latterly towards the power line. And I'm thinking
to myself, well, if that's what I thought it was,
maybe it's rolling up on the spring on the the

(05:42):
you know, the string that it's attached to. And I'm
looking at it and it's moving straight. It's not like
dipping down like like the wind is dying down and
it's swinging like a pendulum or anything like that, and
I'm thinking, Wow, this is really out of the ordinary.

(06:04):
I can't wait to check this out. So I'm just
sitting at the light watching it, and it's now it's
starting to spin like crazy. In addition to that, there
seems to be a blue light surrounding it, like a
haze in some kind of way, and I'm just looking
at that, going wow, what the heck is that? And

(06:28):
it continued to move, but it was going straight. It
didn't dip down or anything. I said, wow, Wow. Then
as I'm sitting there, it sort of like looked like
a mishmash of things like sticks all getting mixed together.
I't couldn't discern any definite shape to it, and so

(06:52):
it kept moving and eventually it went under the power line.
And this is the lower line, the telephone line, the
one that's twenty feet off the ground. And what I
was looking at directly ahead was a overpass, and back
in that day, it was a single lane in each direction.

(07:13):
And on the right side where I was going, I
was heading directly north, was just a six inch curb
and then you had the sidewalk and that was immediately
backed up by a guard rail, and directly behind the
guard rail where the power poles. Okay, it moved behind

(07:34):
the power pole and I'm watching it, and then the
light changed, so I floored it and ran up on
this object and came back out from behind the power pole.
But then as I progressed up the road, I sort
of lost it in the windshield because of the angle.

(07:57):
It was just hidden behind there. So I slowed down
through the truck into neutral, because back then it was
a manual shift, and I literally, as I got up
to it, I didn't come to a complete stop. I
was still kind of coasting. I literally got out of

(08:19):
my seat and laid across the engine cowl that was
between the two front seats, and I had to look
at this object through the passenger window, and I had
to look up a little bit because I had lost
sight of it. And when I saw it, I looked
at that going and I just automatically blurted out without

(08:42):
any thought, like I didn't have any control, that's a cube,
because that's exactly what it looked like. And then I
hadn't even finished the word cube when there was a
voice in my head that said, that's a portal. And

(09:07):
I like about that time, the truck hit the curb,
so I had to sit back down, regain control, you know,
get get moving again because the guy behind me, he
was blowing the horn and I'm thinking, well, you can't
see this. So as I had it up over the overpass,
I knew there was an exit coming up, and I'm like, boy,

(09:29):
I just heard a voice in my head like it
was somebody who spoke to me, and that's never happened.
I mean, I can have conversations with myself, but there's
definitely not another voice answering it. And this was a voice,
and I'm like, oh, what, what the Heck's going on?

(09:50):
And I'm like, you know that that's Star Trek stuff.
That's not anything that's real, and got an immediate response
from the same voice was you saw it, what else
could it be? And at that point I was like

(10:12):
in complete agreement because my spirit was in complete agreement.
This object that I saw was so strange, so different,
that I was just compelled to turn around and go
back to it. But since I heard this voice in

(10:33):
my had, I'm like, what the heck's going on with that? Hey,
I don't want somebody to know what I'm thinking. No, no,
So it's like, no, I can't go back. I'm thinking
I'm working for a company and this customer is paying
for my time. And as I'm coming up to the exit,

(10:56):
the voice says, you need to turn here, and I'm like, no, no,
I can't do that. You need to turn you need
to go back, and I'm like no, no, and I
just blew by that first exit available and I'm having
this conversation with this voice, which is like giving me instructions,

(11:23):
and I know up ahead there's another exit coming up,
which takes you into the back of the mall, and
I'm thinking, oh, I can turn around there, because this
is really strange. I actually really want to go back
and see it. But because this is so odd to me,
I have to offer a little resistance. I can't say that, oh,

(11:45):
this is I'm in agreement with it, and I really am,
but I don't want to agree with this voice. So
as I'm coming up to the next exit, the same
thing happened. You need to turn here, you need to
turn around, you need to go back, and I'm like, no, no, no,
I'm not going to do that because I'm not convinced

(12:07):
that what I saw was a portal. I mean, I
just saw some cube hanging up there and there was
nothing strange about it. It doesn't warrant me going back
to check it out. So as I'm approaching the next
big cross street, which is walled in abb I'm thinking

(12:29):
differently about it. As I rolled up, I caught the
red light at that corner. The voice was telling me, well,
you need to get in the right hand lane. You
need to turn around here. I'm like, well, there's traffic
in there. I can't get over, and I'll turn around

(12:49):
once I get through this traffic signal and I'll go back,
because at this point in time, I had thought to myself, Yeah,
I really need to go back. I really need to
check this out. So as the light changed, it was
a mile before I finally got to a parking area

(13:10):
where I could turn the vehicle around. So I turned
around and I'm waiting to hang right out of the
parking lot, and the voice is say you need to hurry,
and I'm thinking, oh, I'm going to miss the opportunity
if I don't go a little bit faster. So I,

(13:31):
you know, I started back, and of course I caught
the red light at walden Ab and I'm thinking, well,
all right, what am I What am I going to do?
I can't stop in the middle of the road. It's
a single lane, no shoulder. But what I want to
do is I want to roll up on this and
get a good look at it and then head down

(13:52):
to the corner down there a park. So when the
light changed, I floored it got pulled up on the object,
which is now to my left and I rolled the
window down because I didn't want that to be between
me and the object. And I came to a full
stop because I got and had a traffic and I

(14:14):
look at it. I go, that's amazing. I don't understand
what it's doing. It's movement. And I said, and I
just involuntarily said, that's a portal, and the voice says, yes,
that's a portal, and it's here for you. And at

(14:37):
that point I went crazy. I'm like super excited about
this because I'm thinking to myself that I'm going to
go back in time. Okay, I'm going to be the
first person to go back in time. I'm going to
experience something or bring it back with me and I
can show it. This is going to be really excited.

(14:59):
So I flew down out of the corner, hanged the left,
pulled into a parking spot, and parked the van. And
here's the odd thing that happened. Now. When I parked,
I left the window like halfway rolled down, and I
pulled my keys out, and when I did that, I

(15:20):
threw them on the engine cowl and I involuntarily reached
into my pocket, pulled my wallet out and threw it
on the engine cowl, hopped out of the truck, locked
the door, slammed it shot And then I thought to myself,
why did I do that? I never do that. And
I'm thinking, oh, I can get back in the truck

(15:40):
because I can just jump up on the tire and
reach in and unlock it. And then I started to
run towards the object, towards the cube it was. I
went back and measured things. It was two tenths of
a mile from the corner and it was up on

(16:01):
the way to the overpass, and I started running real quick,
and I'm looking at this thing, and people are still
going down the road, passing me and driving by this object,
and I'm thinking, can nobody see this? And I'm the
only one who's seen this. And as I'm running up,
I'm just looking all around, and up to my left

(16:26):
there was just this low cloud in the sky, and
at the bottom of the cloud there was like a
sharp ninety degree angle there with a long side and
a short side, and it's about six feet thick. And
I'm looking at that, going what the heck is that
in the cloud? And the voice says, that has forget that,

(16:51):
it has nothing to do with this, and I'm like,
I just didn't think about it again, because this thing
was obviously voice was knew my thoughts, and that was
very disconcerting to me. So I slowed down to like

(17:12):
a trot, and I'm looking at this cube. But it
resembles a cube like I sent you a picture of
I drew. I drew it what you could see, and
it's just hanging in the air on its own, and
it's surrounded by this what I thought was this opening.

(17:40):
It was outlined in like a thin metal like garden
arbor I could see, and I'm thinking, is that attached
to that? Is that hanging there? Is this somebody's idea
of a joke or something like that? And now I've
I've reached the cube and I'm walking up to it

(18:04):
and I'm looking at it and it doesn't make sense
to me whatsoever, and I sort of it's just past
a power pole and I sort of put my shoulder
up there and looked around because I'm using this as
protection because I don't know what this thing's going to do.

(18:26):
And I'm looking at that and I'm just so amazed
by it. I just stepped out and I'm looking at
it directly ahead, and there it is like a thin
like metal black as black line going up around this object,
and it's just like suspended in the air. And what

(18:48):
this cube was actually doing, it's the same cube that
you would draw as a child, where you drew one square,
you drew another square over the top of it, and
you're connected to corners. That's what it appeared to be.
And it was on one corner was pointing directly up

(19:10):
and the other corner was pointing directly down. And this
cube was not only rotating from top to bottom, it
was also at the exact same time spinning from left
to right, which is physically impossible. It's the only way

(19:37):
I could describe the motion. But in addition to that,
it almost looked like there was a second cube interconnected
to it that was at a slight angle from where

(19:57):
I sent you a picture it. I drew it, and
I put an A and a B, and it was
going from like if you put the points on a clock,
the original cube was pointing at twelve and six o'clock.
This one had its points at eleven and five o'clock,
and it was spinning from eleven o'clock to five o'clock.

(20:21):
Because you could see the points going around and it
was just a massive confusion and you could not understand
what it was doing because it couldn't do what it
was doing. It was impossible. So my first objective was

(20:43):
I need to test this and see what's going on.
So I went to the street and I picked up
some small gravel from the street and I tossed it
into this and I lost sight of it. And then
the voice said to me, stop wasting time. You need

(21:05):
to go through it. And I'm thinking, well, where's it
going to go? Am I going to go back in time?
And the voice said, don't. You don't need to worry
about that. Everything will be okay. And I'm thinking, no, no,
I need to test this out. I need to toss
something else in there. So I looked around and found

(21:27):
like a rock, a piece of concrete was about as
big as the potom my hand. And now you're looking
at this. It's surrounded by a very thin black line.
It's only about a half an inch thick, and it's
spinning really odd and it looks like metal. It definitely

(21:53):
resembles metal that's just come off a machining lathe if
you've ever seen that, And how bright and shiny that is.
That's how this cube was. It was bright and shiny.
It almost looked liquid in a way. It just its
motion was you couldn't describe it. And the work that

(22:15):
I did, I worked with a lot of transmission things
and years intermeshing with one another. And there's no way
that this object, if it's suspended, can spend north to
south and west to east at the same time. It's impossible.
So I tossed that rock underneath the cube, and as

(22:37):
soon as it went in between those two dark lines,
it completely disappeared. And I'm like wow, And the voice said,
you see, it's a portal. You need to stop wasting time.
You need to go through it. So at that time,

(22:58):
the embankment with this overpass was real. It was a
real steep side, and down at the bottom was like
a wet area that was wet year round. It appeared
there was clump grass and cat tails growing. And I'm
looking at it thinking, well, if I go down there

(23:19):
and I can't walk through it, even though I know
that it is now definitely a portal and I can
get through it, I'm going to have to walk through
the mud to get back to my truck, and I'm
going to be pretty embarrassed about all this because at
this point, I'm still thinking that this is going to

(23:39):
take me back in time. That's what I was all about.
And it was also behind there was a ten foot
fence that ran down through that swampy area. I'm like, well,
if I walk down there, I definitely can't walk back up.

(24:00):
I'm not going to go down there. And then I'm
like I started looking around for something else that I
can throw in because I need to test this again.
And the voice said, stop wasting time. You need to
go through it. And I'm like, hey, I don't know,
because now I'm getting really suspicious about what this actually

(24:21):
is and I'm not sure that I really want to
do that. So I managed to find a stick. It
was just a short thing, and I tossed that in
and it completely disappeared. As soon as it went into it,
it was gone. I could see it going through the air.
It goes underneath the cube and between these two things

(24:45):
and it just is gone. And I'm amazed. And so
at this point, and I tried to flag down a
car and this street is not like it's a very
busy street, and I can't believe that nobody has even

(25:05):
slowed down to take a look at this. And as
I tried to wave someone down, all that person did
was like drive out into the other lane, go buy me,
and didn't even look at me. And the car behind
him did the same thing, and I thought, my gosh,
you people, you can't see this. This is amazing. What's
wrong with you? So I went back to looking at it,

(25:29):
and I'm just watching it spin because I'm amazed, and
the voice kept saying to me, you need to stop
wasting time. Just go through it. Everything's going to be okay.
It was very reassuring. The voice was very comfortably firm
without being overbearing, and I'm just watching its motion and

(25:54):
at one point then the black lines. I'm looking at
those and it's almost like there was nothing there, and
I don't know how to describe it. So I walked
a little bit off to the right for some reason
to look at the object, and I could see a
flange on the side of the black line on the left,

(26:17):
and it just looked like it was only about three
quarters of an inch thick. It was attached to it,
and it just looked like wavy lines moving up and
down this gray area, and so I just went.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Off to my left end and looked at the outline
from the left and it was the same on the
right hand side of the cube.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
It was just like a three quarter inch flange that
was flat, and it just looked lines moving up and down.
It just like a jukebox. That's what it reminded me of.
And so I'm like, oh, okay, that's interesting, and I
need to toss a few more things into there. So
the next thing I did is I ripped the plant

(27:06):
out of the ground because there's huge weeds grown there.
I tossed that in and it disappeared, and the voice says,
stop wasting time. You need to go through it. And
I'm like, no, you know what, I'm not going to
go through this. Even though I know that it's going
to take me somewhere, You're not telling me where I'm going,

(27:31):
and I want to go back in time. Is this
going to take me back in time? And the voice responded,
don't worry about that. So I sort of was kicking
around there and nobody was stopping. I'm looking for something
else to toss into there, and I eventually find a
fan that can and I tossed that in and that

(27:53):
completely disappears, and the voice says, you see, now, stop
wasting time. You need to go through it. And I'm like, no, no,
because you haven't told me where I'm going when I'm
coming back. I don't like this, and the voice would
just say, don't worry about that. Everything will be okay,

(28:20):
and I'm like, well, I don't want to go back
in time without being prepared. I need a coat. I wasn't.
It was cold that day and I didn't have a
jacket to wear, and I was getting chilled because I'd
been standing there for probably about fifteen minutes or so.

(28:42):
I said, now, you haven't given me any idea when
I'm going to come back. I thinking my family's going
to miss me. I got a girlfriend, now she'll miss me.
My aunts and uncles will miss me. I'm not going
to go through it. And I said I'll come back,
and the voice says it won't be here. So I'm

(29:06):
looking at it spinning and I just can't. You can't
understand it. And now when I look back at the
motion and think about how it's spun, it's almost like
it was coming from a different dimension. Although at the
time I didn't think of that's another dimension. I was

(29:31):
like only thinking that, yes, what I'm looking at is
actually a portal. I've tossed things into it, they have disappeared.
I've tested the theory, and I've got this voice in
my head. This is exactly what it's telling me it is,
but it's not telling me when I come back, and
I'm like, no, I'm not going to do it. I'm

(29:51):
not prepared, and so I left. I walked back to
my truck and had stand on the tire so I
could reach in. Then I just left that parking lot
and it was still there. As I drove past it,
I said, I'll come back later tonight, and the voice

(30:16):
didn't say anything to me at that point in time,
and I was very upset with the fact that I
didn't go through it, and I'm second guessing my decision
because I really did want to take that opportunity and
go through it, and I didn't do it. I didn't

(30:38):
do it. So I drove on to my call. Throughout
the course of the day, I didn't get called back
into the shop, so I didn't have the opportunity to
go back to check out the object. But when I
got home. That particular day, I did pack up my

(31:00):
knapsack with everything I thought I would need, sneakers, a jacket,
change of clothes, some extra money. I snuck my daddy's
shotgun out of the house and some cartridges and threw
it in the trunk of my tower, and I drove
back because I was fully intent at that point, if

(31:22):
it's there, I'm going to go through it. I'm now
prepared for whatever if I go back in time, for
when the Indians are here, and I have a way
to defend myself, you know, because I'm still convinced that
it's going to take me back in time, although it
never said I was going to go back in time, okay,

(31:45):
And then when I got there, of course it wasn't there,
so I was upset about that fact. I parked a vehicle,
walked up to the area where I had seen it.
I waited there for a long while, maybe another fifteen
twenty minutes. Nothing happened, So then I just went back

(32:05):
to my car went home. From that point on, I
just just kept that experience to myself because I never
told anybody about it. It was just something that had happened.
I'd had strange things happened to me before, and this

(32:27):
was just another strange experience, and maybe I'll have the
experience again and then I'll do the right thing and
I'll go through it. And so I just went home.
And even when I was there observing the object, I
watched cars pass by. I couldn't understand why none of

(32:48):
them stopped, either going the ones going north and the
ones going south, and no police vehicles came by. And
had had a police vehicle came by, I would have
waved it down and so I could have somebody witness.
And at the bottom of the where I had parked,

(33:08):
it was just a business and there was no public phone.
But back in the day, you didn't if you saw something,
you didn't say anything. You kept your mouth shut because
you would if you said you'd seen something, you would
just invite ridicule, and that ridicule would come to you.

(33:32):
Nobody take you serious. That's it. So I just went
on with my life from that point on, Mike, how.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Close do you think at your closest point you were
to it?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Fifteen feet?

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Whow?

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, this was not here. Here's what it was. As
I looked down the embankment, Okay, you could see the
black lines going touching the ground and then surrounding the object. Okay,
and the embankment was it was about fifteen feet away. Okay.

(34:11):
Another thing too. When I had bent down to pick
something up, I looked at the object through the corner
of my eye, and I have you ever you've blown
bubbles as a kid, when you blow them and you
look at one and it immediately pops. I looked at

(34:32):
it through my side eye and I saw this surrounded
It was surrounded the queue by a crystal clear sphere.
You that I only saw for a split second and
it disappeared, and I straightened up, and I immediately said

(34:52):
I saw that. And the voice didn't say anything, but
I did see that. It was almost it was invisible,
but it was there because I had caught the sunlight
just right and it had exposed it. So that's another
thing that was odd about the experience.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
I'm sure that you've wondered this too, But I wonder
if even if someone would have stopped, I wonder if
they would have even been able to see it.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
That's a good possibility. I've thought about that, because the
thing did say, yes, you're right, that's a portal and
it's here for you. It specifically said to me when
I got that good look at it, It's here for you, Mike.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Did you have any feeling about it besides being excited
and interested? Were you ever afraid of it?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
I was suspicious of it. I was suspicious that it
would jump forward right and capture me. But it didn't
move at all. And if you if that had appeared
that I would have. I would have gone through it
at that point. And there's no question in my mind

(36:18):
it was basically because of the positioning of it that
I did not. I didn't go plus, and they didn't
tell me I was coming back either. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
And you know what I find so interesting about that
aspect of it is the fact that it was very
specific about it kept wanting you to go back, get
in the right It even said get in the right lane,
go back. It's not too late, go back. And it
even would say, oh, well, you know, you'll be fine
if you go through. Everything's cool. But then you would

(36:49):
ask it, okay, but when and when am I going
and when will I come back?

Speaker 6 (36:55):
Right?

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Like what part of time would I be would I
be going to They're like, no, no, no, you don't
need to know that. So it was very specific but
then very vague at the same time.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
That's correct, that's correct. It was encouraging me to go,
but it wasn't given me any specifics, which made me suspicious,
which is probably why I'm here today and not in
somebody's book about missing people.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Was the blue haze around it the entire time?

Speaker 2 (37:31):
No, No. At the time. When I rolled up on
it in the truck the first time, I remember that
the glow was still there and it was just bright
blue in the center, and it went out in a circular.
It looked just surrounded it, just like a sphere, and
it got real white blue at the edges. But when

(37:56):
I came back, there was no eighth around it. That
part of it was gone.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
It's weird. Your audio just got a little bit strange, Mike,
sounds like you're almost talking underwater. Got a little it
got a little weird right there, which can happen sometimes
if we're talking about such things. So you said, though
that you have had experiences prior to this, what kind
of subject matter were those experiences?

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Okay, at the time, Like in nineteen seventy six, I
had another different experience while I was at college and
last year in late August or early September, I was
on I did a podcast on the rope and Radio Network.

(38:49):
He's an individual whose believes that that prehistoric terroosaurs are
still alive.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah, Jake Garret, he's great. I've had him on.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yes, Yes, that's okay, And I spoke with him and
I did the show with him. Because when I was
at college, I didn't see just one of them. I
saw five of them, and I observed them for half
an hour. I was in the college library and I

(39:23):
even went looking around for people to come over to look.
Nobody was in the library. It was like I was
there by myself, and I didn't want to leave the
area I was in because they I thought, well, like
if I brought somebody back to they would disappear. But
I did observe him for a half an hour.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
How far away that was from them?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Oh, the distance I was was eight seven to eight
tenths of a mile away from them.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
And what were they doing for all that time?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Sitting The two of them were sitting on the top
of the transmission tower, one was sitting on the wire,
and two more were flying in towards the other ones.
And they were off at a distance, they never got

(40:20):
too close. They eventually those two turned around, and then
I'd been there for half an hour observing them, and
I eventually just left, and when I went back after
that class, they were gone.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
So then when the other two came in to join
the others that are just hanging out, they didn't really
do too much anything different. You had to leave at
that point.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Well, here's the thing. Originally, when I noticed them, I
thought they were people working on the power lines. And
then immediately my mind snapped in to well cut that out.
I immediately could see from the silhouette that they weren't
people I had misspoken. These were terandactyls. Because I just

(41:13):
blurted that out involuntarily, because I was sitting there for
I'd been in the library for about half an hour,
and I went over to the window I was stretching.
I looked out. I just happened to catch that. I
just blurted out, Oh, a couple of guys working on
the power lines. As soon as I said that, I
knew I was wrong. Those are terran dactyls. Those are extinct.

(41:37):
They can't be. And there was only two of them.
One was on the power pole and the other one
was sitting on the wire. He had a clear view
of the horizon from where I was, and I could
see another one approaching. And he flew in went around
these two, and he came in from the left side,

(42:03):
and I got a beautiful shot of his wings structure everything,
because he just angled it just perfectly so I could
see him. And then he swooped around. And the other
things were like probably you could see them with their
next sort of like swans, and they were like maybe

(42:26):
making noises, and this thing just did a big arching
circle and just flew in and landed right next to
the other one that was on top of the transmission tower.
And I got a beautiful, beautiful look at its wing structure.

(42:47):
It was incredible. I couldn't believe that I was seeing
these things. So that was my experience. The other two,
I could see them off in a distance and I
could see them flying in. And the one was it

(43:08):
was bigger than Assessa. It was huge and Assess and
I think has got about thirty three or thirty five
foot wingspan, and this thing just made it dwarfed it.
If you put it next to one another. That that
thing was monstrous, and I was waiting for it to arrive,

(43:32):
and they the two never never arrived, so I didn't
get a good look. Plus the distance. Now, when I
was speaking to Jacob, I had said to him that
I believe that the one on the power line was
about eight feet tall, the other one was ten feet
and the other one was twelve feet, because they looked

(43:53):
about two feet taller than the other ones. But I
could have misspoken because of the distance. And you know,
for all I the one on the power wire could
have been twelve feet, the other one fourteen feet and
the other one sixteen feet nice for all I know.
And it was just really the distance. At that point,

(44:16):
I could see them clearly, but I didn't have an
accurate way to measure them. So I didn't have binoculars,
didn't have a camera. I mean, back in the day,
we don't have the technology that we got today. I
just basically kept back to myself too.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
And you know, and it takes a person willing to
make a report to for there to be a report,
of course, and back in seventy six or certainly, as
you mentioned, there wasn't all this online forums and you
can share anything to Facebook, within moments and all that.
But have you ever of or come across anyone else

(45:03):
seeing those five creatures on that day or any anywhere
around that time in that area?

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Uh, I've never seen them again.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Oh no, did you? Did you ever come across anyone
else that you know, years later like you you've done,
you know, years later you've come forward and said you
saw them. Did you ever come across anybody else that
had seen these things at any point in that area?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
No?

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yeah, one that big must have been insane to see.
That is on a big thumbs up list for me
to see would be a pterodactyl or a terosaur.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah. It was incredible, And they were a little bit
different than what the drawings that you see. The ones
that I observe. They had a tail that looked like
a canoe paddle, and then there was a flowery structure
on the crest, that long bone that you see coming

(46:08):
out of their heads. I could see a circular thing
growing out of that. But that's the differences. Other than
that the pictures you see in the books they looked
exactly like that. And the thing about them too, is
they had very birdlike movements to them because they were

(46:33):
like you put two parakeets in a cage and they
you know, they're constantly pecking at one another. These things
were doing the same thing. And their beaks were incredibly
log and they were like jousting with their beaks while
they were sitting there. Okay, and they did like bird

(46:56):
like things the way they moved too. In fact, when
that one landed, he kept his wings outstretched, and the
one next to him, he squatted him as he landed
with his wing and almost knocked him off. That's that's
when I saw that.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Can you imagine the pecking order for creatures like that?

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Right?

Speaker 3 (47:20):
If one of them gets ticked off and it's out
of line and not in the proper pecking order, what
can happen? And do you think that, I mean, especially
the one that is this bigger than a cessna, I
mean that can easily carry a person off.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Oh, those ones on the power line probably could have
done it. Yeah, Because now there's that man out of Pennsylvania.
He was documenting UFOs and bigfoot and tear it and
large bird encounters in the Pennsylvania area. That was Stan Gordon.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Mmm.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
He was talking about. Eventually came across his book in
the early seventies, there were a lot of sightings large birds,
which in his book he talked were probably pterodactyls. So
I'm not the only one that ever has ever seen.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Them, No, that's for sure. And I don't know when
you talked to Jake if he had had his own
experience yet, because I don't think his is very old.
He finally got to see one swoop over his head, right,
that's I got to talk to him after that, And yeah,

(48:43):
I can only imagine how incredible that must be.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Yeah, yeah, these things to me, they're extinct. But what
were those things doing there on that particular day? Why
did I see that? And I've never seen them since?
And typically the experience I've I've had always come in threes,

(49:10):
they like I get another opportunity and then I get
another opportunity to see them some of the things the
experiences that I've.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Had, so well, what other types of experiences have you had, Mike.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Well, I go back to early years in the now
I was I'm sixty nine years of age right now
and I'm retired. So in this day and age, you
can tell your stories and there's because there's people out
looking to hear these kinds of encounters. So that's why

(49:47):
I wanted to like share my encounter I had somewhere
in the early sixties. Well, let me think for a second.
Here I was growing up. I think the first thing
I heard about was that was strange. You know, when
you have brothers and sisters, you talk about ghosts. And

(50:10):
then maybe the next thing I learned was the Lockness monster.
And the next thing I learned was UFOs, you know
what I mean. And so we were out in my
neighbor's backyard, which was directly across the street, and we
had my telescope there set up on the fence, and

(50:33):
we were trying to get a look at Venus. For
some reason, I looked up and I saw a UFO
flying overhead. This thing was only maybe one hundred to
one hundred and fifty feet over my head. I felt

(50:55):
this tremendous pressure on my ears as it moved. There
were no absolutely no lights on it. It was like
circular because the circular area came over the rooftops, it
stretched over the both neighbors on either side of his house,

(51:17):
and she just silently drifted over the top of us.
And I remember trying to I was pulling on my
buddy's sleeve, and when he looked at me, I tried
to spit out a couple of words like look up,
but nothing came out. I couldn't speak. I was so terrified,

(51:44):
and as I could do was take my finger and
point up. But I was so scared, and he never
looked up. And then I just beat feet into his house.
And I remember running into the house and jumping on
the mister and missus Z looking at me and saying

(52:04):
something like, whoa, you know, you look white as a ghost.
You need to drink of water. I'm like trying to
talk to him, and I can't get a single word out.
So I buried myself in the corner of their couch
and they're looking at me like I got a third eye.
I remember that. So that was my first experience.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
So there's one UFO experience well before the Cube, which
oh and I forgot to mention because we you and
I were speaking about it before we officially started briefly.
But it was Katie Page that we were speaking to
for on the trail of UFO. She's a cryptid paranormal
UFO researcher out of Colorado, and she was the one
who brought up the cube shaped object on I believe

(52:50):
that it was her family's property. It was quite rural,
if I'm not mistaken, and I could be mistaken about
it being her family's property, I apologize. But it was
a So that was that was the word that I
was saying. Stuck out to me in your email as
you mentioned that cube. And then the fact that you're,
you know, hearing this voice in your head telling you

(53:12):
to do things is all it tracks, you know, It's
it's very it's commonplace in certain circles for things like
that to happen, right, even though it's so odd on
the whole. So obviously.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Be on the cube.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
And then what's that Go ahead, Mike.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
When she describes a cube, does she say that it
was spinning or anything.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
I'm not gonna say because I do not recall. I
do not recall the details of that. And I can
look that up for you and see what it was
that she said, but uh, and I don't recall how
large it was. I don't think it was a very
large one.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
So okay, yeah, and it was she ported it that. Now,
this cube, it wasn't a solid object, it was just
like it was all open in the center. I sent
you a picture of the cube and then the one
that I drew, and that's exactly what it looked like.

(54:17):
The struts joining the corners were tubular, but the corners
were pointing, and when it was rotating and when it
was spinning, it was going about the same rate as
a ceiling fan on law to give you an idea.
So I don't know. I've heard ufo en counters where

(54:39):
people see a black cube in the field, but they
don't talk about them spinning. Like the experience that I had.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Well, and the way that you said that the pieces
within whatever those were were moving horizontal and vertically at
the same time, which must have been mind bending to see.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yes, it was mind bending. You couldn't make sense of it.
The fact that you could, like if you stared at
the object, you could see the individual cube, like you
could see the ones where it was pointing straight up
and down and where the other one was turned at

(55:27):
an angle. You could see them individually, like you can
catch as you look at a fan blade a ceiling
fan go around on low speed, you can see just
concentrate on one blade going around. That's exactly what was
happening here. I was looking at it. Okay, I can

(55:47):
see the one going top to bottom and left to
right because all the points are staying where they're supposed to,
and the other one then you could see the other one.
It just didn't make any sense. You can't have It
was like two objects occupying the same space and time

(56:10):
at the exact same moment, which can't do.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
So, Mike, you've got the cube, and then you've also
got this UFO, this circular UFO back in the early sixties.
So after you saw that UFO in the early sixties,
I mean, did you see them again or that one,
that circular one again after that? Did you have strange
experiences directly after that UFO sighting?

Speaker 2 (56:40):
I didn't have any strange experiences as a result. Like
I was little, maybe ten or eleven at the time,
as I can recall, because I don't remember exactly what
year that took place, and I didn't observe it for
more than ten seconds, and I just beat feet because

(57:04):
I was terrified.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Yeah, a completely different reaction than you had to the cube.
Do you think and you won't know for sure, but
I wanted to ask, do you think that the circular
UFO and the cube are connected in any way.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Well, as I said in the story, as I was
running up there, I had looked off to my left
and I saw that cloud, and I saw like a
ninety degree angle black object poking out of the cloud,
and it was about six feet thick. And the voice says,
ignore that it has nothing to do with this, right
like I was being told to forget it. I think

(57:46):
it has a connection because when the voice was talking
to me, it knew I was coming up on an exit,
because it was saying, you need to turn here, turn here.
It was telling me what to do. So obviously, now
when I think back it, something was observing me.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
I do wonder what would have happened if you would
have gone the way of the Panta can and where
you would have ended up? When where all the w words?

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Yeah, I wonder that to this day too. But I
you know, at this age, if I were, I think,
what would I do now? I think I would probably
take a picture of it, drop my phone there, text
the picture to my son, and then I'd probably go

(58:41):
through it. I think.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
So what other experiences have you had?

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Well, Okay, in nineteen seventy seven, then I saw UFOs again,
I had another experience with them and I we had
hits across Europe and we watched three of them fly
over our head. They were only up about two hundred

(59:09):
three hundred feet. We talked about it and we even
wrote it into our journals that we were keeping. He
saw exactly what I saw and didn't make a sound,
and then they returned, like about an hour later. We
saw him come back too. It was just a speed
they were traveling at and the fact that they were

(59:31):
completely silent. It was just something I saw. You know,
you don't you go, okay, there's another UFO.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Well at least you had other witnesses for that one, right.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, so somebody else was there when it
took place. Okay. So now, in nineteen ninety six, I
had a second encounter with the portal the cube and

(01:00:08):
at the time I was married, living out in Orchard Park,
my wife and son. We were traveling to Lesworth State
Park and we had just pulled out of East Aurora.
We were en route twenty at the time, and that's
a rural area then with farms and things like that.

(01:00:32):
And as we came up over the crest of the hill,
I could see something strange on my right hand side,
and I knew instantly what that was, and I went
by it. Then I just started to slow down and
pull over to the shoulder of the road, and I said,

(01:00:55):
that's a portal. We need to go back. My son's
like looking at me like I'm from another planet. And
my wife's like, well, what are you talking about? And
I said, that's right. She doesn't know what I'm talking about.
I had this experience once before, and I said to her,

(01:01:15):
it's didn't you see that on the side of the road.
Now I had I was at that point. I wasn't parked,
I had like pulled over and then gotten back on
the road, and she said, I didn't see anything, and
I said, well, I think we need to go back.
The thing that happened at that point in time was

(01:01:39):
she turned and looked at me. She was in the
passenger seat, and it's like her jaw dropped and she
looked like the scream mask is the only way I
can describe it, and his guttural demonic no just came
out of her mouth without her lips moving, which scared

(01:01:59):
the hell out and I'm like, what the heck? And
the voice said to me specifically, I'm not kidding, you
really need to divorce her. WHOA, Yeah, yeah, I remember
that to that day. Yeah, it was very very odd.
I wish at that point maybe I should have like

(01:02:22):
just parked on the side of the road and just
we're fighting at the time. So it's like, you know,
I don't want to get into it. Yeah, it just
wasn't worth it to me, okay. And then I had
another opportunity in two thousand and three when I was
on my way home, papers had already gone back to

(01:02:44):
one another. It was World War three. At home, I
was on Blakely Corners Road, which is out in the
Alma area. It's all pretty rural there, and there was
a portal on the front lawn of a house. Because
as I for some reason, I just looked over and

(01:03:08):
then I saw it, and the voice, just like the
first time, just said, I'm here, you need to come,
you need to go through it. I could see a
girl in the picture window of the house that it
was in front of. She was staring at it. I

(01:03:30):
could see her in the window, and then I could
see her father walk into the window and he was
looking at it. And I'm at the side of the
road now park, thinking to myself, well I should I
go through it, and the portals saying everything will be
all right, don't worry about it. Every once in a

(01:03:53):
while they would say that as I was sitting there
trying to make a decision, well it's really not it
to go home, maybe I should go through it. Did
respond the same way several times, don't worry about it.
Everything's going to be okay. Wouldn't you rather be there

(01:04:18):
than there, meaning, you know, going home? And I thought, yeah,
So it was trying to entice me to go in,
and I remember the father in the window went over
and closed his curtains, and the little girl was in
the center where the curtains joined. She was staring at

(01:04:38):
it because I could see it because they're only like
seventy five feet away. Okay, it's like he grabbed her
and pulled her out, and you know, the curtains is closed,
and I thought, well, he saw it. She saw it,
and it's like, well, I don't really want to go home,

(01:04:58):
but the soun's I don't wind him growing up without
a father. Don't worry about it, Everything will be okay,
And I'm like, nah, I can't do it. I'm leaving,
you know, another time, another time, and I just drove
off and that there I only stayed for a couple

(01:05:21):
of minutes. So yeah, I did have two opportunities afterwards.
That's my strange life, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
So you haven't seen one of the cubes or the
portal since?

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
No, not since two thousand and three. So the encounters
with the portal happened in nineteen seventy nine, nineteen ninety six,
and then two thousand and three.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Do you is there any any guess as to why
you haven't seen it since? Do you think it was? Well,
he keeps turning us down, so we're going to give
up on him or.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Yeah, I think you know they say third times a charming.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
They gave up on me, right right, Well, don't you
think it? I mean, yeah, that's that's where mine mine was.
I was like, well, they gave you three three tries.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Yeah, he gave you three times. You didn't take the
take the bait. Now forget it. You know, you're out, batter.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Up on to the next one. I guess. Now, this
is New York State, right, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
New York State, that's correct.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Yeah, Like Elma, New York and Aurora area and all
that I heard you mentioned. So definitely a lot of
idess going on around that area.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Yeah, a lot of weirdness that just but yeah, I
live in Buffalo, but I actually lived north of Buffalo
by about twenty five miles. I'm up in Lockport, now,
a small town on the Eerie Bars Canal. Yeah, but
all my experiences happened.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Yeah, when you know that with the going back to
the Terodoctyl's terosaurs, e're pe by a very large body
of water, which they are usually seen around, you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Know, Yeah, exactly. Because when I was working I drove
down the Saunder Settlement Road, which is where the college
is located. I always looked over there to see if
there were if they reappeared, and they never did so
I never got a second opportunity. It was a one off.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
It just makes you wonder what they're eating, you know
what I mean, Mike, Like, what are they eating? You
can guess and it's not pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
I'm yeah, because Jacob said the same thing to me.
Well he got the river gorge up there, he said,
and the lake so they can do a lot of fishing.
But I'm thinking to myself from Nager County down straight
down to Buffalo. It's very flat. There's there's no hills whatsoever. Okay.

(01:08:07):
And when I was looking out the top floor of
the library, the fourth floor, I could see the horizon,
and that's these things just were plastered against the horizon.
Because it was a perfectly clear sunny day. You couldn't
you couldn't mistake what you were seeing. I drove up

(01:08:29):
and down that road regularly, like three times a week
in the job I had, and I never saw them again.
So that was the interesting thing. I'm still waiting, why
haven't I seen them again? Even though I had an
encounter with them. It's not like I think that they're

(01:08:51):
still alive today. I know. I listened to a lot
of his podcasts, and there was a lot of people
from the area, Arizona area and Montana and Idaho that
reported seeing them. I remember listening to some stories about that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Do you know if Jake did any looking into especially
the one that's over the size of the cessna with
four others slightly smaller even than it would be, even
a lot smaller than it would be insane? Surely somebody
in some obscure Reddit thread or an old online forum

(01:09:33):
that's been archived or something. Do you know if Jake,
did he ever come back to you and go, oh,
there is one slight mention of a citing, you know,
back in seventy six or seventy seven, just even around
that time, because as you say, they would have been
their alive, so they would have been alive for however
many years around that time. Did he ever come back

(01:09:54):
and say that he found anything that corroborated.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
No, No, he's never heard anybody corroborate the story.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Yeah, And like you said, a lot of people just
don't share this stuff. And that's for all of these subjects, ghost, Bigfoot, UFO's, pterodactyls, especially,
you know, honestly, probably especially something like a pterodactyl or terosaur,
because it's just so very strange. Although we know they
did exist, they are not supposed to do anymore. So

(01:10:27):
I think you'd probably get crazier looks that you saw
a pterodactyl or a terroosare than if you saw a
ghost or a shadow person.

Speaker 7 (01:10:36):
Right right, exactly, Because there's sightings of it are far
and few between, yes, but some people have had a
lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Sightings. But The thing about my sighting that was so
different was he was talking about the crest on their
head and the carnation thing on the crest and the
paddle shaped to its tail, that he's never heard that before,
and he did talk about that. I mean, you got

(01:11:08):
the Nagar River gorge, but but you go down into
gorge and I've never heard anybody anyone seeing anything. Maybe
I should contact that Stan guy. And because he did
a lot of documentation directly south of me on the
other side of the Pennsylvania border, in the Chestnut Ridge area,

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which is part of the Alleghanty Mountains.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Yeah, Stan Gordon is amazing. In fact, I have Oh
I always do this. I'm seeing the book in my mind.
It's it's two rooms over from me in my little library,
and I can't think of the darn name of that book.
But I will thumb through that and maybe something jumps
out as far as that goes. But I mean, of

(01:11:57):
course you can. You can contact him too. He's he's
a wonderful person, very knowledgeable.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Yeah, yeah, maybe I should talk to him about what
I saw, and maybe somebody reported to him, but he
he got I don't know if anybody in that area
knows in him, you know, it would be interesting, so
maybe I should do that. He gives a phone number on.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
There, so yes, he does.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Well maybe, yeah, maybe maybe I'll give him a call
and then huh could find out something interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Yeah. I think his website is like stan Gordon dot info.
I think is his whole website. So he's got that too,
And yeah, he's an amazing person. Well, Mike, was there
anything else that you wanted to chat about or anything
I should have brought up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Now? At this time, I only really came prepared to
talk about the portal. Today we did get into the area.
I've had the experience with the UFOs and then the pterodactyls,
but it wasn't I had some experiences in late sixties

(01:13:10):
and early seventies. They turned out to be Bigfoot encounters.
Oh yeah, yep. And I had a terrifying experience in
nineteen eighty two and that was with Bigfoot when I

(01:13:30):
was in Oregon. And I had two encounters when I
was out there in nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Well, would you mind sharing the terrifying one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
It's a very long story. We'll have to talk another time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Oh, actually, if you wanted to, we could just do
a Bigfoot centric episode because you mentioned you had a
couple before the terrifying ones, So why don't we do that,
Why don't we make another another recording date and just
have a big Foot show.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Yeah, I got to think on that. I think maybe
I should do that because I'd like to get that
story out too, because my main subject area that I'm
very interested in is Bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Me too, Me too?

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Yeah, well, do you do bigfoot mainly and then you're
the paranormal it's sort of like an aside to it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
No, it's kind of all over the place with my show.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
It's a lot of Bigfoot, it's a lot of paranormal,
it's a lot of UFO. It's just kind of a mishmash.
But Bigfoot is my favorite, except for maybe some of
the paranormal stuff that's just so dang strains that you
can't really put it into a box. Those are also
up there with some of my favorite encounters to hear

(01:14:53):
that really get my ears perked up. But Bigfoot is
my all time favorite. And yeah, and that's no pressure, Mike,
of course. But just think on it, and if you
wanted to come back on and we can do a
big foot talk. That would be wonderful and you'd be
most welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Yeah. That's my main thrust too, because when I retired
my first two years, I spent out in the woods
every summer looking and I was on my own. I
don't do it anymore, but I had some health challenges
which prevent me from going back out in the woods.

(01:15:32):
I had a stroke in October of twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
I'm sorry to hear that, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Yeah, yeah, well that's what happens. And now I no
longer go back in the woods. And basically since twenty thirteen,
I was doing my own research in Western New York
because I was surprised at the number of encounters or
are in Western New York. And when I was living

(01:16:02):
out Northchyard Park, which is directly south of Buffalo and
it's very like eleven miles away from East Aurora. Back
in the early nineties, there was a somebody reported seeing
a bigfoot on the Knox Farm out of the window
at Fisher Price, that toy manufacture. It was on the radio,

(01:16:26):
and of course the people got mocked with it, and
I'm thinking to myself, yeah, that really does happen, because
at that point when that encounter occurred, I was aware
of my early experiences were bigfoot experiences, and so I

(01:16:48):
was doing my own research since two I started in
twenty thirteen. So I went out on weekends down to
Alleghany State Park, and then when I retired, I spent
all summer in the park until I had this problem
that in the day I had the stroke. I was

(01:17:09):
it was a beautiful October weekend, and I was I
was going to go to the park, and I'm glad
I didn't because of what happened later in the day
to me, would have happened to me while I'm mile
out in the woods making my own trail.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
Oh gosh, yeah, that would have been the worst time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Yeah, they would have uh, yeah, exactly. But I wanted
to get back to the portal thing. Now. Originally, when
I parked a vehicle, I always clipped my keys to
my belt, and then for some reason, when I got out,

(01:17:54):
I put like I said earlier, I put my keys
on the engine cowl and I pulled my wallet out.
And when you listen to the Missing four to one
one series, they find these people's cars in a parking lot.
Sometimes they find them in the window. Is halfway rolled

(01:18:16):
down or it's rolled up, it's locked or unlocked, but
they find their keys, their wallet and their cell phone
in the vehicle. Who does that when they get out
to check something out? And the same thing happened to
me because I just involuntarily did that and when I

(01:18:36):
closed the door and I was like, oh, oh, I
can get back in, and why did I do that? Then?
Plus I saw that corner of that object up in
the clouds. I'm thinking there was probably some kind of

(01:18:56):
UFO up in the cloud and that maybe wasn't really
a cloud and it was watching me, and maybe that
portal formed as a result. Now I had that portal
formed on a road I called the cube. When it's
spinning the attractor and when it speaks to you, you

(01:19:19):
just want to do what it says.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Well, not only that might, but obviously you didn't need
your wallet and keys where you were going, you know,
if you would have walked in that portal.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Yeah, then it was one of the things too. When
I was standing there looking at it, It's like, well,
I left my wallet in the car. You know, I
won't have any money. If I go back in time,
maybe I go back to the nineteen twenties or something
like that. But yeah, I was so excited about going
back in time. But it turns out that that might
not be where I went because now that I've learned

(01:19:54):
more things that there are different dimensions and maybe this
was a dimensional change.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
You're breaking up real bad right now. I don't know
what's going on. It's clicking and I can barely hear you.
I don't know if you bump, if you bump something or.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Okay, Uh, still a lot of clicking going on. That
is very strange. All of a sudden, it started doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Yeah, that is strange, especially since we're talking about portals.
Yeah shared the story.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Oh my goodness. Yeah, you can't hear it, can you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
When it clicks, it clips your voice. It cuts you off.
It's like click click, and you're you're just kind of
coming in and out. Okay, So I get I guess
that's a good place to say. If just think about
the Bigfoot episode, it's no pressure, zero pressure. But if
you wanted to just hit me back on the email
and we'll we'll find another time to chit chat about Bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Yeah, some other experience side some time, just talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
It's cutting off it's cutting me off real bad. Mike.
I'm sorry. I don't know what's going on with that,
but I guess that's it's like, Okay, enough talking about that, Mike,
enough about the portals and dimensions. Got the whole story out,
So that's amazing. So thank you to the machine Elves
for allowing that. It sounds okay now I don't hear
any clicking. Oh there was a little cliche. But anyway, Mike,

(01:21:23):
thank you so much for being willing to share. Oh
yeah yeah, hit me back, okay, and keep in touch anyway.
I want to know what's going on with you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
You got it? Well, I'm so.

Speaker 8 (01:21:36):
I was given the snake by my parents. My business
was under college. I've done these things with my profession,
my producing little blog.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
That's something.

Speaker 8 (01:21:48):
Your story that's all gone, that's all about and I
want to see the Amelia.

Speaker 6 (01:21:54):
Nobody knows who that.

Speaker 8 (01:21:55):
Is because we don't know ourselves except for listening to
Arecas and consulting our memoris.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
But then that's a.

Speaker 8 (01:22:07):
Really and then again leads us BacT to this question,
w are you?

Speaker 6 (01:22:14):
That is the meaning.

Speaker 8 (01:22:17):
We shall see how they play with the success. Well,
buy the cots to get you to come out of
your show and find out.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Be very hard.

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
It stay stass.

Speaker 6 (01:23:26):
Puts puts it puts puts its.

Speaker 9 (01:23:55):
Posi, for example, are quite divided on us.

Speaker 8 (01:24:20):
They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeral grow you will suddenly become saddly
different living somewhere else. They will say, reincarnation means this
that if you sitting here now are really convinced that
you're the same person founded at.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
The door half an hour ago, you'll be reincarnate if
you are liberating your plans now that you're done.

Speaker 6 (01:24:50):
The past hasn't existent, the future doesn't existence. There is
only the present. That's the only arenia.

Speaker 8 (01:24:58):
The is said, Master, do get that was laying said.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Spring does not.

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
Become sons.

Speaker 8 (01:25:08):
Because there is something and then there is springs.

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
It's it's puss puss, puss, puss.

Speaker 6 (01:26:37):
Pussssss. But Puts me.

Speaker 8 (01:27:03):
Has the same idea in four Days where he says,
when you settle down in the train to read your newspaper,
and so you are not the same person while ago
and lived the plan. If you think you are, you
are linking your moments up in the check.

Speaker 6 (01:27:22):
And this is what buyds is.

Speaker 8 (01:27:25):
The wheel of Poland. When you know that every moment
of which you are is the only movement discountains are.
The Master will say from somebody, I can I have
a walk across the room and it can't be back,
And he says, where are your footmen?

Speaker 6 (01:27:43):
They've gone?

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
So where are you?

Speaker 6 (01:27:46):
Who are you?

Speaker 8 (01:27:47):
When we are asked who we are, usually give a
kind of recipation of an Instagram screen.