June 2, 2025 • 54 mins
Aaaaand we're back! This week, Cody gets into the Pee-Wee Herman documentary, Ally gets emotional at the latest Mike Birbiglia special, we discover Candice King was in the Hannah Montana Movie, and prom night goes terribly wrong in The Vampire Diaries!
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Ally: Hell yeah. We're in it. (00:35):
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Cody (00:36):
We are so here.
Ally (00:39):
It's June, folks, buckle up.
Cody (00:41):
Yeah, baby.
Ally (00:43):
It's pride, so everyone move out of the way.
Cody (00:46):
Right, everyone get more woke now.
Ally (00:50):
Actu- hey, but for real though.
Cody (00:52):
Yeah.
Ally (00:54):
Hey.
Cody (00:55):
If you don't mind, you know.
Ally (00:57):
If you could do me just a real solid, actually, and be the woke friend.
Cody (01:02):
Right.
Be the friend that is too woke because I actually would prefer that
um than what we got going on. Like it's kind of wild how you never think you'd
exist in a time where you would like miss rainbow capitalism, you know what I mean?
Ally (01:18):
Jesus. I do.
Cody (01:19):
And yet, like I'm like, damn, we kind of had something with that, huh?
Ally (01:23):
I mean, the problem with us having, you know, started adulthood in Obama
era is it's such a fucking rose-colored glasses moment, right? Because things
seemed good and they weren't good. Everyone shut up, right? They weren't good. But we
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got a version of adulthood where it was like things are progressive, gay rights
he signed, right? And I just, what do you mean? What do you mean that it was like everyone was
like, no, no, no, that's too much when it was it was barely anything, actually. So,
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uh, welcome to Into Twilight. If you're listening to this, you're gay now. Congrats.
Cody (02:08):
Yeah, you made it.
Ally (02:09):
If you weren't already. If you were listening to this and you weren't already,
first of all, whoa, you know.
Cody (02:15):
That's brave, you know.
Ally (02:16):
Yeah, but if uh if you weren't already, welcome to pride. Um you're now the woke friend.
Cody (02:23):
Right.
Ally (02:25):
Congrats. They're going to clip that
and they're going to play it on Fox News on repeat, so.
Cody (02:30):
These podcasts are turning the kids gay, you know.
Ally (02:36):
You wouldn't download a gay.
Cody (02:39):
You wouldn't download a gay. Ally
welcome to Into Twilight. Uh all your media is gay. Sorry about it.
Yeah.
Ally (02:45):
That's we've been telling you for eight years and we will
continue to tell you uh until we are dust in the ground. How are you?
Cody (02:54):
I'm here. I feel the energy of June.
Ally (02:58):
Trixie Mattel opened me up with a bat this morning. It was really scary.
Cody (03:02):
Yeah. People are they're here, you know, and I I'm I'm living. I'm existing.
Ally (03:07):
You might be asking, baseball or fruit? Both. Nature's both. It was
terrifying. I'm so excited that you are bringing this.
Cody (03:25):
Thank you. Uh particularly because the docu-series about him
that he is very much a part of is on HBO Max now.
Ally (03:36):
And she's on the correct name again.
Cody (03:38):
Right. She's now biblically officially HBO Max. Let the record show,
we are vindicated. We've never been wrong in our lives. We were not dead
naming her. We were predicting the true name all along, okay?
Ally (03:50):
One, I'm glad that I'd forgot that it was just called
Max. And two, I'm glad that I never uninstalled HBO Max for my TV. So.
Cody (03:58):
Right, right, right.
Ally (03:59):
That's on me.
Cody (04:00):
It's a very it's like a two-part, basically kind of like two movies
um in a way, but it is very like interesting in the way that obviously Pee-wee Herman is a very
layered and interesting human and character within like pop culture,
but also with many other types of relationship to art and broadcasting and like public personas. And
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which is already very fascinating, but the way this is done and I feel like a
lot of times particularly when celebrities make like or are very heavily invested in
like the biopic about themselves, right? And that kind of feels very like, okay,
are we giving you the final word of how cool you want to look in this movie about yourself, right?
Ally (04:43):
Yeah.
Cody (04:43):
But with this, it feels very like there is that element of guiding
the narrative and like manipulation of like what is real and what is farce.
Ally (04:53):
Ooh.
Cody (04:54):
Even in like just direct conversations and even like it is very aware of itself as a thing
that has bias and a thing that has perspective, but also a thing that is trying to go through
that. And there's like some very interesting contentious moments even with, you know,
the the director like having conducted these interviews with with Paul Rubens of, you know,
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Paul being like, I see that you're trying to guide me into a question about, you know,
gayness and like queerness, right? And like I can see this is all the lights and all the
things here. But like that relationship is so interesting because like so much of his life is
also this duplicity of what is real and what is a bit, right? And I think also that, you know,
in conversation with like a Nathan Fielder, right? Or like all these different things that we're kind
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of seeing as like these very bodacious public personas of who are you outside of this thing or
is there is that you, you know, like what that relationship is like is so interesting and so
good. And like I cried fucking the whole time, obviously, um, you know, because that's that's
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my dad. Like I don't identify someone with a dad, but if I did, like that's it's Paul Rubens, right?
Ally (06:06):
For real.
Cody (06:07):
That's my guy, you know. Um and there's like really good cameos like Cassandra Peterson,
aka Elvira is uh in the interviews a lot because they went to they did groundlings together and
there's like so many good photos of them like as young people, um, which is really beautiful.
Ally (06:24):
Whoa.
Cody (06:24):
Um and it's just like a really interesting attempt to create a very
final word about your legacy while also grappling with the fact that
those things are not objective and does it matter if it is, right?
Ally (06:42):
When I found out that he did not tell anyone on the production team that he was dying.
Cody (06:49):
Yep.
Ally (06:50):
During that. That's so Nathan Fielder to me.
Cody (06:55):
Yeah. Uh-huh.
Ally (06:56):
Of like you are because you can't let go of the narrative.
You are still trying to craft this during it and you can't relax. I'm
that was so intriguing to me that I was like, I have to watch this.
Cody (07:13):
Yeah.
Ally (07:14):
Cuz what do you mean you're not telling them about something that is looming? I mean,
cuz we're all dying, but like you are imminently dying right now. What?
Cody (07:24):
Right. Yeah. It's so fascinating. And like I've I've read some pieces of the director like
talking about cuz this was like a four years kind of in the making project or something and
being like this is, you know, obviously it was very even if it was contentious,
it was very illuminating and very good and like I'm proud of the thing we did,
but it was also like this relationship that Paul had to it of being like never wanting to
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fully lose any control in this even if he is like a subject, right? In this is like
so fascinating. Like what that dynamic looks like in in something like this. It's so good.
Ally (08:00):
Unfortunately, so relatable.
Cody (08:03):
Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah.
Ally (08:05):
And I was telling you off off recording but for the audience,
my parents fell into the propaganda about Paul Rubens.
Cody (08:14):
Yeah.
Ally (08:14):
So I did not grow up with Pee-wee Herman. Obviously his influence on culture,
right? Like I knew about SpongeBob, things like like he was obviously I have engaged
with Paul Rubens' work throughout my life, but I did not, you know, like ever watch the
show because my my parents had feelings about it. Right? Um and it was not until, you know,
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in my adulthood that I realized like, oh, they had been conned. Shocker. My parents fell into
propaganda. Who knew? Um. What? What? And so I'm so excited to be able to watch this and to
understand more about his legacy. I this dropping uh during Gemini season is so appropriate given,
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you know, the work of I love a duplicitous character. I love an artist. Rip Paul.
Cody (09:08):
Rip. Rip to the goat for real.
Ally (09:10):
You would have loved this season of the rehearsal, man.
Cody (09:12):
Oh my god, yeah.
Ally (09:15):
How are you doing, my dude? Uh, I'm here. I am persisting. I'm also bringing some art to
the space this week that that made me happy but made me cry because that's my favorite
kind of comedy. Uh and it is the most recent special from Mike Birbiglia. I love this man.
Cody (09:39):
Yeah.
Ally (09:40):
I've been listening to his podcast for quite a while. But I did not have Netflix
until we watched this most recent season of You. So everyone shut up,
okay? I might be talking about Netflix stuff for a while. It's not sponsored. I just have it for
a month. Everyone shut up. The first special that I remember watching of him was the new one where
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he was talking about parenthood for the first time. And so getting to watch his craft. These
last three especially have been bangers of that one, the one of the old man in the pool and then
this most recent one of the good life. What I love about Mike is not just that he's funny,
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but he brings a Broadway play ask to his comedy that you don't often see in stand up that I
really appreciate because one, I like pretty things, so thank you for that. But also,
the only way that I can describe this is tying it to Bo, even though they're very different in the
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way that they craft things, but I love comedy that is sad because I think that comedy is at
its best when it is able to tackle hard topics. And this most recent special Mike is talking a
lot more about his father and his ailing health, which at first glance is like, that's not funny.
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But how else do you process things if you are a comedian? And it's like, well, I got to work
this through. I have to tell this story. There are a lot of times where I'm crying not because
it's necessarily sad, but he's a storyteller at heart. And I love to I love a good story.
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And so I'm laughing and I'm crying and it is beautifully done visually as well. And I'm
grateful that there are comedians out there who are good at their craft, who like to tell stories
and it's not all meant for clips on TikTok. Like it's not just all crowd work bits, I guess.
Cody (12:00):
Yeah, yeah.
Ally (12:01):
It is very clearly like he wanted to tell a
end-to-end story on there. And he's been in the game for a long time.
It's a little bit different than I guess folks that are in the up and comers,
who wouldn't have necessarily had the time to—I don't know, work in UCB, not that I think UCB is
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good. It's a cult. But like do the grind, I guess. I love a good story. What can I say?
Cody (12:32):
Yeah. That's really interesting too because like I'm also a fan of Mr.
Birbiglia and his stuff, but particularly he is such a balm against the very like sort of
pseudo viral crowd work stuff that you're mentioning that is really hot right now,
right? Which is fine. Sometimes it's good. A lot of times it's garbo, whatever. But he's
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one that is like he is writing and concepting these things to the second, right? Like he is
very obviously—there's room to play, but for the most part it is very organized. Like I remember
even his conversation on his podcast he had with Chris Fleming, who very famously does
not like long hand anything. He's like, I have vibes. I got ideas, you know. And he's like,
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that pisses me off because if I don't write it down exactly every word for word, it won't be
the joke I wrote. Like it won't be good. Like I can't riff like that. And I think that's such an
interesting parallel to a lot of more of the—which both are good ways to do it. It's just different,
right? But it is interesting—he's very like, this is every word I'm going to say in this
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order and this is the intonation, right? And he's very good at crafting it like that, you know.
Ally (13:47):
And that is where I think you can definitely tell that he has
an acting, a Broadway background. And it comes through in his stand up, not just visually,
but in the storytelling nature. I think both have their strengths in the sense
of I love Chris Fleming. Caleb and Karen have mentioned that too, that it is very vibes based.
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He said like, I work shit out on stage and the idea of that makes me want to vomit. I would
imagine Mike is the same way. The idea of that is so interesting. But I think that all of them do
crowd work because, again, that is a comedian thing. It even shows up in Mike's stand up.
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There are little bits of it that I imagine happen outside of the special, like just during stuff.
But it is a way to garner SEO. It is a way to get attention online. I get it. I like a story.
That is the kind of comedians that I garner and I engage with on here. And especially the topics
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that I've seen throughout Mike's most recent specials are very topical and I relate to it and
I think that they're interesting. So welcome, Mike Birbiglia. You are welcome to pride. You're here.
Cody (15:20):
Yeah. Honorary friend of the show.
Ally (15:21):
Yes. Because I regularly listen to your podcast and you're cool. You can hang.
Cody (15:28):
You can hang, absolutely.
Ally (15:30):
There weren't any current events this week.
We've had this one saved for a bit and since this is a Caroline heavy episode.
Cody (15:39):
Yeah.
Ally (15:40):
I felt appropriate. Also because apparently,
I think Miley dropped some music this week when we were recording this.
Cody (15:48):
Yes, yeah.
Ally (15:48):
So it is also a little bit timely. This is a TikTok from the user, oh fuck,
Isabella Vitanglio. You—we're probably related. I'm going to be honest with you. It is, you know,
hard-hitting news from the Hannah Montana movie.
Cody (16:07):
This took me out. This clip took me out.
Ally (16:11):
It doesn't surprise me at all that,
you know, love of my life, who we have seen on the show sing—
Cody (16:21):
Right.
Ally (16:22):
—was also in the Hannah Montana movie as a backup singer. No,
it doesn't surprise me that Candace King was in this. But it was shocking to stumble upon.
Cody (16:36):
It's so beautiful. The pure just like volume in her hair in this clip.
Ally (16:43):
It's so good.
Cody (16:45):
Of the time. It is so beautiful and listen, she's got star power. We've known this about her.
Ally (16:52):
Mhm.
Cody (16:53):
And it's beautiful.
Ally (16:54):
Here's what I'm going to say. Hannah Montana was a little—it was in my time,
but that was not my ministry. But Miss Candace King looks great.
Cody:The bump.
The bump in her hair is beautiful. She looks like a true Ashley Simpson here and I think that's beautiful.
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I bet that she made good money. So I love that for her. I think that it's great news. Good on her.
Cody (17:30):
Hell yeah.
Ally (17:31):
So I texted you—
Cody (17:33):
Yeah.
Ally (17:37):
—right after I finished watching the episode this morning because I was really upset.
Cody (17:42):
Yeah.
Ally (17:43):
Not only about the contents of this episode,
but the fact that we just can't catch a fucking break watching the show.
Cody (17:50):
They want us to suffer.
Ally (17:52):
And I should have this, you know, egg on my face, right? Because I know better.
Cody (17:56):
Sure. Yeah, fool me once, you know.
Ally (18:00):
I know better than to think that we're going to have any sort
of like dance type episode that is going to be conflict free.
Cody (18:11):
Sure.
Ally (18:11):
So I knew going into this, it being a senior prom, that it wasn't going to end
well. I just didn't realize to what extent it was going to be painful. And it's like
painful in so many different angles at the same time. So like every scene you're like,
here's another thing I'm fucking upset about. Like and there's no place to just chill out.
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It's real dense with sadness. I agree. The only thing that is giving me a little bit
of solace is that according to the Vampire Diaries Wiki, thank you Vampire Diaries Wiki,
it says that for this episode, it is Kat Graham's favorite. It was her favorite episode to film.
Cody (18:54):
Ooh.
Ally (18:55):
Which hey girl, what?
Cody (18:58):
Yeah. Are you good?
Ally (19:01):
But if you're happy, I'm happy. So I will,
I'll relax a little bit. I couldn't take a second to breathe because I
was getting beat up by teenagers for 45 minutes straight. And I'm mad about it.
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The only benefit that I will say, Elena had some good lines this episode.
Cody (19:27):
Oh my god.
Ally (19:27):
She was fucking cooking this episode. I unfortunately, not in the
context of this episode, I unfortunately love bad girl, like evil queen Nina.
Cody (19:43):
Yeah.
Ally (19:43):
I can tell that she loves playing that and I love that for her.
Cody (19:47):
She's having so much fun. Somehow the like red highlights are more vibrant
than ever. I think maybe because of evil, I don't know, but I love it.
Ally (19:57):
Right. It's just maybe they're powering her. I just,
she's having such a good time even though everyone around her is fucking going through
it. Um, as well as she is, but she's just not processing it, obviously.
Cody (20:10):
Right.
Ally (20:11):
But goddamn. Is this like pseudo intervention that they're trying to do at prom?
Cody (20:17):
Mhm.
Ally (20:17):
And she's like, well, I have no emotions, so I'm just going to bite back harder at you all. And
I think that's beautiful. Yeah. Contextually, I do think that this is accurate to a senior
prom in the sense that the characters we saw went through every emotion possible.
Cody (20:37):
Mhm. Ally
at my senior prom. I do think that I experienced every emotion possible.
Sure.
Ally (20:45):
So they got that there. That was true. Two things that made me laugh this episode.
Cody (20:51):
Yeah.
Ally (20:51):
There were a couple things that made me laugh, but two things that stood out to
me that made me laugh. One, Stefan and Damon starting this episode off playing football.
Cody (21:01):
God.
Ally (21:02):
In their home that they don't have the title to,
by the way. They don't own this home. Elena does. No. So rude.
Cody (21:12):
Yeah.Squatter's rights, you know.
Ally (21:14):
We've never seen this happen before. I mean,
we know contextually that Stefan has at least had a uniform for a football team.
Cody (21:21):
Sure.
Ally (21:21):
Sure. But weird thing to suddenly happen. Second thing, this isn't technically funny,
but it was a little bit funny. Um, the way that Elena killed April.
Cody (21:31):
Oh my.
Ally (21:33):
I shouldn't have been laughing, but I was laughing a lot.
Cody (21:37):
It's her energy here is so so welcome even though it is horrific, right? But like, you know,
because it's it's an interesting parallel to, you know, Rebecca in this moment who is trying
to like have a Ferris Bueller's Day Off sort of moment and be like, I'm going to be pretend to,
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I'm going to role play as a human to see if I really want this and approve to Elijah that
I'm good for real. You know. Um, and she's like, I'm going to be a good girl. I'm not going to use
my powers. I'm not going to kill anyone. Yada yada yada. And Elena comes up to April's like,
hey bitch, uh, you got to uh, rig this prom queen situation, okay, for me? Thank you. And then that
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does not happen. And she's like, bitch, what did I tell you? And fucking knocks her out.
Ally (22:25):
We haven't seen April canonically in the show in like weeks.
Cody (22:30):
So true.
Ally (22:30):
And then she shows up. Yeah. Where has this girl been? Yeah. Uh, no, it was it was
too funny. Elena this episode being the devil on Rebecca's shoulder was very important to me.
Cody (22:47):
Literally. Ally
No, for real. And to find out that Elena is staying with Rebecca?
Ally (22:57):
Mhm. Cody
Oh no. Okay. Let's talk about it.
Cody (23:01):
I'd like to learn more about that.
Ally (23:02):
They just dropped that in and expect us not to be like, okay, hold on, run that back actually.
Cody (23:08):
Yeah. Yeah, we're having our little little parties. We're inviting women to
be in between us while we both feed from them but not kiss each other,
you know? And it's great. It's a good roomie situation.
Ally (23:19):
Rebecca's whole thing this episode was tough to watch.
Cody (23:27):
Mhm.
Ally (23:27):
Not from a writing sense. I was just having secondhand embarrassment
personally. Yeah. Um, she looked great.
Cody (23:35):
Mhm.
Ally (23:35):
She was very pretty. It was more so when she started getting to prom specifically with Matt.
Cody (23:43):
Mhm.
Ally (23:44):
That I started feeling that secondhand embarrassment. Specifically when she asked Matt,
do you think that I would make a good human? And he was like, no. No.
Cody (23:56):
This guy just keeps getting dragged into all this bullshit, right? And he's like,
I got to be so for real. Like you don't seem like a good person. I also don't know you that well.
You know what I mean? Like we've had our moments and stuff, but like I can't tell you straight to
your face that I think you rock, you know? Right. Given the information that I know. And she's like,
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cool, cool, cool, awesome. Um, I'm going to go jump off a bridge. Thank you.
Ally (24:25):
It's so awful because she is essentially asking Matt for a
letter of recommendation. He's like, one, I don't know you,
right? I don't know you that well. Second of all, what I do know, not good.
Cody (24:38):
Right. It's not good.
Ally (24:40):
Yeah. And her trying so hard to play one straight, right? To not compel anyone,
to not kill anyone, but then also trying to play it cool. She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Totally. And then having to ask him later on to dance and he's like, no, so I thought we just
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did this. No. I don't know you. It's you can see like their Sims, like the negatives above
his head. It's like I mean, you are a vampire, so you could kill me, so I fuck, I guess, dude.
Cody (25:26):
Right. I don't know, man. What do you want?
Ally (25:28):
It is just wild for her to look at Matt. And no shade,
Matt. Like you are on paper the most typical high schooler that we have in the show. You really are
an audience surrogate, unfortunately. And so she looks at him and is like,
you're everything I want to be. And he's like, Rebecca, I'm a bus boy.
Cody (25:52):
Right. I need you to be for real with yourself.
Ally (25:56):
But she is—even though Elijah and Klaus said this about like, hey,
the grass isn't always greener—she is not taking that to heart.
Cody (26:07):
Yeah.
Ally (26:08):
Bless her though because she is following these rules to a T as far as
being very literal of like, you cannot kill anyone, you can't turn anyone. You just have
to be good. And the opportunity to showcase that of like actually saving April's life,
she's like, no, sorry. I can't, my brother told me I can't do that. Sorry.
Cody (26:31):
Yeah. Looking at Matt being like, this is the one time,
girl. Right. I think it's a real ends justify the means thing, my guy.
It's like he's like, hey, I know you're trying to be all like holier than thou right now.
Uh, April is dying, right? So like maybe we—that's like a good thing to do. Like what a human would
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do if they had the ability, right? Because that's pure of heart, you know? Rather than being like,
oh, sorry, can't touch that. Yikes. Elijah will be mad at me. He's going to take my cure away.
Ally (27:05):
God damn. It is wild to see her go through all of this and then not be able to get the cure,
which like obviously, right? That would be too simple.
Cody (27:18):
Right.
Ally (27:18):
But the interactions that she has with Klaus this episode…
Cody (27:25):
Klaus is always on some bullshit, dude.
Ally (27:28):
Specifically the dynamics that he has with
his siblings and Rebecca specifically this episode.
Cody (27:34):
Yeah.
Ally (27:34):
The one at the jump of this episode, I think he said something nasty. I remember writing down,
which is like, oh, you want to be human? Interesting. Okay, well, when you're dying,
when you're on your deathbed, I'm going to tell you that you're wild and ridiculous.
And then I'm going to compel you to forget me. So how about that? Go how about that actually?
Cody (28:00):
He is so petty. He is so like God forbid your sister has a dream, you know? Like God damn.
Ally (28:08):
No, for real. It was like, I'm going to laugh in your face while
you're dying and then you're never going to be able to remember me.
Cody (28:16):
And very much at the end when he catches her saving April's life,
which is like, okay. He did the same thing. He's like, you're bored, which I mean, true,
but coming from Klaus's mouth.... Um, and you're looking for a reason to matter,
which again, true, but not what we want to be hearing from Klaus of all people.
Ally (28:37):
No, yeah. I don't want him to be the judgment police, you know,
for anyone. It's like it's like from where you're standing, buddy, come on now. Get over yourself.
Cody (28:45):
Yeah. You're the one to talk. Being like, actually, I need you to go to Elijah to his
face and tell him that. Uh, like I would and I would get so much joy out of it, but like I want
you to do it and tell me you failed, bitch. Okay. It's like, Jesus Christ, drama queen.
Ally (29:03):
It was Silas who was pretending to be her, right?
Cody (29:07):
Yes.
Ally (29:08):
Yes. Yeah, yeah. That's because I was like, that's not we don't have another blondie.
Cody (29:13):
Right. We don't have another blondie. And like I was because in that moment it is
like spliced with him, you know, Klaus being like, you got to tell him because you failed.
Na na na na. And it's like spliced with her, aka Silas as her telling Elijah like,
I did so good, boss. Like I fucking crushed it. Like there was some complications along the way,
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but I did so good. Hand me that cure, baby girl.
Ally (29:36):
Like which first of all, for why though is what I don't get.
Cody (29:41):
Yes. I — Silas being able to trick all these jabronis by being obviously with um,
Bonnie, it makes sense, right? Because that is like that's the only one that's
understandable because it is very in her brain in a way that she can't escape, right?
Ally (29:58):
Yes.
Cody (29:59):
But everyone else gets a fucking doppelganger that Silas is
in and like both Stefan and Damon get fucking like totally confused, right?
Ally (30:10):
These two, man. I'm not going to put it past Stefan and Damon because we know
with Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, they have no sensibilities, right?
Cody (30:17):
Yeah.
Ally (30:18):
With the originals though, aren't y'all supposed to be unkill… like aren't you supposed
to have… you're supposed to be better than everyone, right? Isn't that your whole thing?
Cody (30:29):
Right. Ally
Yeah. It's just especially with Elijah, right? Because I trust this man, you know?
Ally (30:39):
No, really. Cody
other chuckle fucks. And the fact that so willingly he's like, bet,
okay, good job. Here's the fucking cure. Um, have fun. Nothing more from me. And it's like, my guy,
we know there is someone who is impersonating people or taking the form of people.
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You all have been around for a thousand years.
Cody (31:04):
Yeah.
Ally (31:04):
Why don't you all have a fucking code word or something? Like I don't
Cody (31:09):
Yeah.
Ally (31:09):
It's just I know it wouldn't be good for the show, but it's honestly embarrassing that
you all can be deceived so easily because I knew that it was Silas in that moment,
but I didn't understand why like for what? Why do you need the cure then,
TM? I don't — it doesn't make sense to me based on especially how this episode ends where he's like,
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so you want to open the gates of hell? Cool, cool, cool. Who are you giving the cure to? You're fine.
Cody (31:41):
Yeah.
Ally (31:41):
Do you just not want anyone else to have it? I mean,
I guess that's simple enough for this villain, honestly.
Yeah, right. But it was just very I didn't — I don't understand the motive.
Cody (31:51):
Yeah.
Ally (31:51):
I did think it was funny that Stefan and Damon got caught by Silas because
Cody (31:56):
Yep.
Ally (31:58):
Um, especially Damon's because Damon is having a really shitty prom.
Cody (32:04):
Oh my god, just the absolute worst. He's in the pits right now.
Ally (32:08):
It's so funny that he was like, oh yeah, I'm coming in here with the purpose
of making Elena's life hell, right? Like I'm going to flood her with emotions. And
then immediately two seconds later, here he is with a flask surrounded by all of
these picture memories and he's like, damn, I got played by my own tricks.
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And again, fucking egg on my face. I didn't expect it to hurt as much to see
Silas interfering with Bonnie again. Cuz he is up to some real sick shit this episode.
Cody (32:51):
Yeah. Mhm.
Ally (32:53):
We've for the most part, he's only presented himself as Shane to her.
Cody (32:59):
Yeah.
Ally (33:00):
Which is gross but tolerable. Then this motherfucker decides, oh,
I'm actually not my manipulation isn't working enough. I need to hit nitro mode.
Cody (33:15):
Mhm. Ally
going to put on Jeremy's meat suit. I'm going to kill you myself, Silas.
Come here.
Ally; I'm going to break your bones.
It was so nasty because we know that Bonnie knows that this
isn't real. But it still fucking hurts because even when she's like,
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this is happening, like he's like, does it matter, you know?
Ally (33:40):
Oh god. And that fucking first of all, fuck you. First of all, go kill — go sit in the corner.
Cody (33:47):
Yeah. Yeah. Think of what you've done.
Ally (33:49):
Five minute ban. God damn.
Cody (33:51):
But like just to have that like beautiful prom moment that is not even real,
you know, but it feels real or it's close to something that could have
been is so fucking I hate it. It makes me really sad. I hate it.
Ally (34:15):
I hate that this episode starts off with her in the cemetery.
Cody (34:23):
Mhm.
Ally (34:24):
And y'all have to make me look at Jeremy's headstone. Um,
which didn't have dates on it and I knew I knew in my gut that Elena would not have made a headstone.
Cody (34:36):
Yeah.
Ally (34:37):
Already because she was she didn't have her emotions on, so she wouldn't have cared
enough to do it. But it didn't have dates on it and I was immediately like, oh, oh, okay. Um,
this feels a little too real. I've been hoping this whole time that Jeremy would come back.
Cody (34:55):
Yeah.
Ally (34:55):
Um, and so that sucks a lot. Um, the prom part felt like my own personal hell because
Cody (35:08):
Yeah.
Ally (35:09):
I — and we've talked about this. I don't ship Jeremy and Bonnie like that.
Cody (35:16):
Mhm. Ally
but this is very clearly it doesn't matter to Silas. He's using it to cause her pain. What
I appreciated about that scene was because the fact that it's like nighttime, there's
moonlight. I also felt like they used some sort of filter and it felt kind of eerie dreamlike.
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Yeah, for sure.
Ally (35:40):
In that moment. Um, that was very spoopy. The needle drop felt uncalled
for to me. It was nasty and kind of took me out of the moment a little bit. Um,
seeing Jeremy get to play evil is unfortunately very important to me.
Cody (36:03):
Yeah, yep.
Ally (36:06):
Um, so and and also just solidifies
the fact that that is not a 17 year old. Like that is a man.
Cody (36:12):
Yeah.
Ally (36:12):
Um, but sorry. Sorry about it. Like that's I sure I'll suspend my belief enough
to pretend that that's a high schooler, but like that's an actor who is a man. Sorry about it.
Cody (36:23):
Right.
Ally (36:24):
I hate seeing Bonnie in pain. I think this is the first time that
Bonnie has seen no humanity Elena, like in the dress shop.
Cody (36:38):
Yeah, right.
Ally (36:39):
It looked like she had been slapped in the face and I was very personally upset about that.
Cody (36:45):
Yeah, yeah.
Ally (36:47):
It's like, oh, she's like gone, gone. Like, oh, okay. Cool,
awesome. Fuck this. And it's so hard because Elena is having great lines,
but also Bonnie is hurt and so I'm being pulled in so many directions because Elena walks in,
she's like, hey Bonnie, heard you got your mind wiped. That sucks. And I'm like, Oh my god.
Cody (37:07):
Yeah, the audacity. Also like it's so fucked of like this whole episode,
Bonnie is being, you know, fucked over by Silas and being pulled in a lot of
emotional directions and trying to have a sense of control over it and to like push that away, right?
Ally (37:29):
Yeah.
Cody (37:30):
And this whole time, well, by herself, mind you,
right? Just totally just raw dogging this shit, you know? No one's really out to help her.
And she like goes to the gang at the prom and it's like, hey y'all, we got a bit of a problem. Um,
because I keep seeing the manifestations of Jeremy through Silas and I feel like I can't do anything
about it. I would like some help, please. And I can't remember if it was Stefan or Damon,
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but one of them was like, oh, that's just Silas fucking with you. You got to not let
him do that. It's like, you fucking are you kidding me? Don't even trying to help her.
Ally (38:03):
The one time that Bonnie goes to people and asks for help.
Cody (38:07):
Yeah.
Ally (38:08):
And this is a very pivotal time because she is fully aware of
the fact that her powers are not stable right now.
Cody (38:16):
Yeah, mhm.
Ally (38:17):
And it is so difficult for her to ask for help. She goes and she's like, she goes
to Damon first of all, mind you. She walks up to him of all this asshat and is like, I need help.
Cody (38:28):
Yeah. He's like, oh, no, no, it's fine. It's just in your head. Bitch.
Ally (38:34):
Yeah.
Cody (38:34):
Like that is the point. Damon. Literally. She is aware it is in her head.
Yeah. That is the problem. You can't just be like, what if you just
didn't think about it? You know what I mean? Like just don't stress about
it. That's not helpful, my dog. What? What are we doing?
Ally (38:49):
Yeah. What if you just turn your anxiety off? Damon, I'll kill you myself.
Cody (38:54):
Yeah, okay. I swear to God. It's like she's looking for tangible answers.
Ally (38:58):
And then two seconds later she's fucking breaking all of Elena's bones.
Damon, you know what could have stopped this?
Cody (39:03):
Yeah.
Ally (39:03):
This was preventable. God. Fuck it. I will also say that like I—from POV,
right? From all of these different POVs, this prom sucks. But like from Bonnie's POV,
right? She doesn't want to be here. She's coming with Matt of all people.
Cody (39:20):
Yeah. Ally
She's like, you're here, I guess. You’re around.
Ally (39:26):
And then, you know, just immediately walks in and Elena's like, uh, you are a brainwashed
crazy person. This is—these are Elena's words, not mine. Um, and also you are a walking reminder of
all the horrible things that have happened to me. And Bonnie's like, so why am I here again?
Cody (39:45):
Right. It's like if nobody fucking wants me here and I'm just a burden to everyone with
my fucking Silas bond connection, what the fuck are we doing here?
Ally (39:53):
Right, exactly. What am I—I love. Y'all don't give a
fuck. I don't give a fuck. I'm out. Like sorry.
Cody (39:59):
And then she wins prom queen.
Ally (40:03):
Mhm.
Cody (40:05):
So sorry, Rebecca.
Ally (40:06):
Um...
Cody (40:07):
Yeah.
Ally (40:08):
Then—and this is how we know Elena's really off the deep end right now. And I started to get
real pissed at this moment. Cuz Elena—and we know it's not Elena. But it is still
technically Elena. Being like, well, if I can't get to Silas, uh, I'll just kill Bonnie instead.
Cody (40:26):
Yeah.
Ally (40:26):
Miss Ma'am. Hey, I need you to—I need you to lock in really quick.
Cody (40:32):
Mhm. Yeah.
Ally (40:32):
Because that's your girl. You would have been dead four seasons ago.
Cody (40:36):
Yeah.
Ally (40:37):
You would have been dead so many different times.
Cody (40:40):
Right. If it weren't for Bonnie. So like have some respect, fool.
Ally (40:44):
I know you're real—you're real far gone right now and
that's okay. But like fucking Jesus Christ, man.
Cody (40:49):
It's just—and her talking shit too, being like, oh my God, if Silas dies,
that would suck so bad because everyone would come back to life and I'd have to hear Rick
and Jeremy tell me to get my humanity back. And it's like, oh my God, Elena.
Ally (41:04):
And I just physically can't deal with two
more men talking to me. It's already insufferable enough.
Cody (41:10):
Yeah, already—already too many in here.
Ally (41:12):
Hey, Elena, I get it. There are a lot of chuckle fucks around you. But you can't do though
is open the gates of hell and also kill your best friend. That's what we're not going to do. Uh,
what if we get a—we got to sit down, we got to get a talking stick, we got to deal with her feelings.
Cody (41:29):
Mhm.
Ally (41:29):
Okay? What we can't do is kill our way through this. It's not going to work.
Cody (41:34):
Rebecca needs to host another one of those classroom intervention things.
Ally (41:37):
When Elena brought that up—
Cody (41:41):
Yeah.
Ally (41:42):
I died.
Cody (41:47):
Uh huh.
Ally (41:47):
She's like, remember that girl? Hey, I need you to get it together.
Cody (41:51):
Yeah, Jesus Christ.
Ally (41:55):
It was so painful to watch the two girls that I love—Bonnie
and Elena—fighting each other because what a way to fail the Bechdel test.
Cody (42:09):
Yeah.
Ally (42:10):
In stunning fashion, yeah.
Cody (42:11):
Yeah.
Ally (42:11):
And just—and then Damon and Stefan are just watching it happen
because they can't stop these two powerful women.
Cody (42:17):
Yeah.
Ally (42:19):
But Damon and Stefan are mad at Bonnie.
Why? Because Elena bit Bonnie and Bonnie tried to stop her.
Cody (42:30):
Yeah.
Ally (42:31):
Why are we mad at Bonnie?
Cody (42:32):
Yeah, why is this Bonnie's fault? First of all.
Ally (42:37):
First of all, Elena tried to—
Cody (42:38):
It's not Bonnie's fault. Yeah, right. For the record, this all leads to Silas,
which none of y'all seem to give a fuck about. You're just like, oh, he's just like around.
That's fine. We'll deal with that later. It's like, no, it's actually like really impacting
people currently in this moment. So like we kind of need to give a shit about that. So.
Ally (42:53):
Yeah. And second of all, Bonnie was not the aggressor in this moment.
Cody (42:57):
No.
Ally (42:58):
Elena's the one who bit her and Bonnie said, hey, stop.
Cody (43:01):
Right.
Ally (43:02):
So please don't be mad at her, okay?
Cody (43:04):
Yeah. It's not her fault that she does not—she's in a very vulnerable position.
Ally (43:07):
She's in a very vulnerable position and also she does not
have control of the scope of her powers. So sorry that she
started just breaking Elena's bones. Maybe she meant it, maybe she didn't.
Cody (43:16):
Yeah.
Ally (43:16):
Okay? But what it did unfortunately unlock for these two sickos is that Elena does have
emotion left and it's fear. And that's the last thing these two need to be aware of right now.
Cody (43:28):
Yeah.
Ally (43:29):
I don't need any men being aware of Elena still having fear left,
okay? That is where this show goes into horror.
Cody (43:38):
When they saw that and had their like little Eureka moment back home and being like,
I got it. Here's the plan. We remind Elena of her emotions with fear. I'm like, I swear to God.
Ally (43:53):
Swear this goes into the fucking Handmaid's Tale.
Cody (43:55):
This is—no, we cannot—this is not a plan.
This is just something you discovered, right? This is not an actionable plan. And also,
again, regardless of Elena's getting her groove back or whatever, in that timeline, the Silas
stuff is much more imminent. So we kind of—why don't we cut this off at the pass, actually.
Ally (44:18):
Yeah.
Cody (44:18):
Right. How about we follow up after we figure
out if there's opened up a portal to hell and everyone that is dead has come back.
Ally (44:28):
How about we focus on that task first? Also,
speaking of focusing on tasks, um, we would be remiss to not talk about prom
planner Barbie here. Who from her point of view of this prom, bad. Bad prom.
Cody (44:45):
Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Got her dress fucking stolen. She's asking Klaus to go
into his archival fucking dress barn or whatever from the originals to get her something regal.
Ally (44:57):
Why?
Cody (44:59):
Yeah.
Ally (44:59):
First of all, Elena stealing Caroline's dress, hilarious, nasty, but hilarious.
Cody (45:05):
Yeah. Right.
Ally (45:05):
You know she's down bad when she shows up at Klaus's house and is like,
I need you to unlock your storage.
Cody (45:11):
Right.
Ally (45:12):
Because what—the last thing I'm going to do
is go to my senior prom that I planned and not look good.
Cody (45:18):
Yeah.
Ally (45:19):
And she's right to say that. Him laughing in her face in that moment is disrespectful because—
Cody (45:25):
Yeah.
Ally (45:25):
If you would forget, Klaus, the one time that your family hosted a gala,
y'all lined up on the stairs in coordinated outfits. So you're one to talk, actually.
Cody (45:35):
Yeah. Mhm.
Ally (45:36):
So shut up. Second of all, of course you have relics.
Cody (45:43):
Mhm.
Ally (45:43):
So she doesn't need to go buy a dress, okay? She's already spent enough money. Um, I thought
that that was very resourceful of her even though I don't like her going to ask for help. Um...
Cody (45:56):
Mhm.
Ally (45:56):
I wish that we would have gotten more context on
why Caroline chose "pictures of you" as the theme.
Cody (46:04):
Yeah.
Ally (46:06):
Because what it felt like based on Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum throwing the
football around is that this was an emotional intervention. And I
know Caroline enough to know that this theme has been planned out for months.
Cody (46:20):
Mhm.
Ally (46:21):
So I would have liked a little bit more behind the scenes on that,
but that's fine. I'll set that aside.
I expected that Tyler was Silas and that did not seem to be the case.
Cody (46:36):
Yeah, I was very—after all the other things this episode, I was like, this can't be actually
Tyler, right? Why would we give Caroline the one thing that she's kind of been wanting all night?
Ally (46:48):
Right.
Cody (46:49):
And I guess it's still just like a, you know, not like super happy hunky dory,
right? It's still a pretty bittersweet version of that because they do have this moment of like,
you know, Tyler's in his own house, so we can't get got by Silas there and they can
have like a little dance and be cute. And he's wearing his little suit and it's cute. But like
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knowing that this is still the situation of he's got to run forever kind of stuff.
And the way that Klaus like is just posted up outside, like, hey bitch.
Ally (47:26):
Right. It's so funny.
Cody (47:28):
And it wasn't supposed to be funny in the show, but it was funny.
Ally (47:31):
It was—none of this was supposed to be funny.
Cody (47:33):
It was so fucking funny, unfortunately, because like Klaus is posted up and he's like,
hey bitch, um that was all cute and all, but I'm going to give you like two seconds. And
the way that Tyler just boops like into the fast run. I know it's because he's a werewolf,
okay? I know, okay? I know it's a supernatural thing. It's just
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always funny when they make them run really fast after really intense emotional moments.
Ally (48:01):
It was like— Cody
It was—no, for real,
cuz it was like in Looney Tunes. Like you could see the dust of the person.
Cody (48:09):
Yes. Yes. Oh, so silly.
Ally (48:11):
It was so funny. Again, it was supposed to be really intimidating
and threatening in the moment, but he was like, got to blast and then just—
Cody (48:20):
Yeah, right. It's like, and I'm out of here.
Ally (48:23):
Oh, so good. I'm glad that it didn't end up being fake and that
Caroline did get a moment of reprieve, but I fully expected to never see Tyler again.
Cody (48:37):
Yeah. Ally
Mhm.
Ally (48:39):
So okay. Um my question—the way that I have interpreted the note at the end of this
and the photo that we have of next episode is that this is how they're segueing into the spin-off.
Cody (48:56):
Right. Yeah.
Ally (48:58):
Because first of all, how did Katherine's note get there? I guess we'll never know.
Cody (49:03):
Sure.
Ally (49:04):
Um but also—she got some carrier pigeons compelled being like,
all right, send this off for me.
Cody (49:09):
She asked Damon to turn into a crow again that we didn't see on camera.
Ally (49:14):
Yeah. Fact that he's did that once and then never again is so—
Cody (49:20):
I want you all to know I think about it like
at least every other day. It haunts me that we've never seen it again.
Ally (49:28):
I need it. I want him to be a crow again. And that's saying something because
y'all know how I feel about birds, but I—they've never mentioned it again.
Cody (49:38):
Yeah.
Ally (49:39):
No. Katherine unlocked a new character, Jane Ann Devero.
Cody (49:44):
Mhm.
Ally (49:44):
So sure, okay. Um my—and apparently, you know,
next episode is titled The Originals. So I still need to know how we're supposed to
watch them. Are they supposed to happen simultaneously? Who's to say, you know?
Cody (50:06):
Yeah.
Ally (50:07):
Uh let us know. Um we're so close to the end of this season.
Cody (50:16):
Oh boy.
Ally (50:18):
If we don't get real Silas's face, cuz I couldn't see it. I thought I figured it.
Cody (50:25):
Right. That's real dark, yeah.
Ally (50:26):
You know, I know CW shows are dark. Um but like I figured it was intentional that
we could not see his face. Um you know, we have presumably three episodes left.
Cody (50:38):
Mhm.
Ally (50:38):
I—I'm nervous about all of these loose ends right now.
Cody (50:47):
Yeah.
Ally (50:48):
I'm curious. I'm just scared. All of our girls are not in good places.
Cody (50:54):
Oh, no, they're not.
Ally (50:55):
Uh I'm just—I'm not—I'm not doing well.
Uh but we have—we have some amazing patrons to thank. Would you like to start us off?
Cody (51:05):
Absolutely. Thank you to Grake Lautner.
Ally (51:07):
Ooh, thank you to April Dobrev.
Cody (51:10):
Ooh, thank you to Sean Salvatore.
Ally (51:13):
Ooh, thank you to Megan Pattinson.
Cody (51:16):
Ow, thank you to Katia Karp.
Ally (51:19):
Ooh, thank you to Genevieve Morgan. Come on down. Pew, pew, pew.
Cody (51:24):
Thank you to Danielle Burke.
Ally (51:26):
Ooh, thank you to Janae Bennett.
Cody (51:29):
Ow.
Thank you to Sophia Salinger.
Ally (51:34):
Ooh, thank you to Dan Zeklos.
Cody (51:36):
Ow, thank you to Emily Ozera.
Ally (51:40):
Ooh, and last but certainly not least, thank you to Jailene Ivashkov.
Cody (51:46):
Pew, pew, pew.
Ally (51:46):
I have a fan fiction for you. Uh it is titled Fallen Stars, colon TVD. It is—oh no.
Um it is by the author Charlie Winchester 1042. Um and I'm going to read the summary of this for you.
Cody (52:06):
Okay.
Ally (52:06):
The summary is
part of the supernatural world when they ran away from town? Years before Elena became the
doppelganger. What if the friend group of those siblings decided to go back to town,
not realizing the soon to be war between their siblings and the original family?
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What if they are the very thing needed to keep the Michaelson family from falling into despair
and heartbreak? Let's just hope the fallen stars of Mystic Falls are up to the task.
Cody (52:41):
Oh my God.
Ally (52:44):
Um, I—it, listen, you put the Scooby gang in this and I—you have caught my attention.
Cody (52:56):
Sure. I'm certainly intrigued.
Ally (52:58):
Yeah. Uh so if this has also intrigued you,
there are 26 chapters in this piece for you to enjoy.
Cody (53:10):
Wow. Okay.
Ally (53:11):
I haven't read it, so I have no idea. Um but the summary
caught me by surprise enough that I needed to share with the class.
Cody (53:19):
Sure, absolutely.
Ally (53:21):
Uh friends, I'm so excited to go and watch—first of all,
HBO Max. Second of all, um to go watch this documentary.
Cody (53:30):
Sure.
Ally (53:30):
Uh tell your friends and your family about the show. Um if you haven't already,
join the Patreon. We have a new bonus episode that
just came out in the last couple days. We have defeated the evil that is You.
Cody (53:45):
Yeah. We have done it.
Ally (53:47):
Which is good. And as we stay here in the Pacific Northwest…
Cody (53:52):
Get bit.
Ally (54:06):
Ooh.
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Cody (00:36):
We are so here.
Ally (00:39):
It's June, folks, buckle up.
Cody (00:41):
Yeah, baby.
Ally (00:43):
It's pride, so everyone move out of the way.
Cody (00:46):
Right, everyone get more woke now.
Ally (00:50):
Actu- hey, but for real though.
Cody (00:52):
Yeah.
Ally (00:54):
Hey.
Cody (00:55):
If you don't mind, you know.
Ally (00:57):
If you could do me just a real solid, actually, and be the woke friend.
Cody (01:02):
Right.
Be the friend that is too woke because I actually would prefer that
um than what we got going on. Like it's kind of wild how you never think you'd
exist in a time where you would like miss rainbow capitalism, you know what I mean?
Ally (01:18):
Jesus. I do.
Cody (01:19):
And yet, like I'm like, damn, we kind of had something with that, huh?
Ally (01:23):
I mean, the problem with us having, you know, started adulthood in Obama
era is it's such a fucking rose-colored glasses moment, right? Because things
seemed good and they weren't good. Everyone shut up, right? They weren't good. But we
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got a version of adulthood where it was like things are progressive, gay rights
he signed, right? And I just, what do you mean? What do you mean that it was like everyone was
like, no, no, no, that's too much when it was it was barely anything, actually. So,
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uh, welcome to Into Twilight. If you're listening to this, you're gay now. Congrats.
Cody (02:08):
Yeah, you made it.
Ally (02:09):
If you weren't already. If you were listening to this and you weren't already,
first of all, whoa, you know.
Cody (02:15):
That's brave, you know.
Ally (02:16):
Yeah, but if uh if you weren't already, welcome to pride. Um you're now the woke friend.
Cody (02:23):
Right.
Ally (02:25):
Congrats. They're going to clip that
and they're going to play it on Fox News on repeat, so.
Cody (02:30):
These podcasts are turning the kids gay, you know.
Ally (02:36):
You wouldn't download a gay.
Cody (02:39):
You wouldn't download a gay. Ally
welcome to Into Twilight. Uh all your media is gay. Sorry about it.
Yeah.
Ally (02:45):
That's we've been telling you for eight years and we will
continue to tell you uh until we are dust in the ground. How are you?
Cody (02:54):
I'm here. I feel the energy of June.
Ally (02:58):
Trixie Mattel opened me up with a bat this morning. It was really scary.
Cody (03:02):
Yeah. People are they're here, you know, and I I'm I'm living. I'm existing.
Ally (03:07):
You might be asking, baseball or fruit? Both. Nature's both. It was
terrifying. I'm so excited that you are bringing this.
Cody (03:25):
Thank you. Uh particularly because the docu-series about him
that he is very much a part of is on HBO Max now.
Ally (03:36):
And she's on the correct name again.
Cody (03:38):
Right. She's now biblically officially HBO Max. Let the record show,
we are vindicated. We've never been wrong in our lives. We were not dead
naming her. We were predicting the true name all along, okay?
Ally (03:50):
One, I'm glad that I'd forgot that it was just called
Max. And two, I'm glad that I never uninstalled HBO Max for my TV. So.
Cody (03:58):
Right, right, right.
Ally (03:59):
That's on me.
Cody (04:00):
It's a very it's like a two-part, basically kind of like two movies
um in a way, but it is very like interesting in the way that obviously Pee-wee Herman is a very
layered and interesting human and character within like pop culture,
but also with many other types of relationship to art and broadcasting and like public personas. And
(04:23):
which is already very fascinating, but the way this is done and I feel like a
lot of times particularly when celebrities make like or are very heavily invested in
like the biopic about themselves, right? And that kind of feels very like, okay,
are we giving you the final word of how cool you want to look in this movie about yourself, right?
Ally (04:43):
Yeah.
Cody (04:43):
But with this, it feels very like there is that element of guiding
the narrative and like manipulation of like what is real and what is farce.
Ally (04:53):
Ooh.
Cody (04:54):
Even in like just direct conversations and even like it is very aware of itself as a thing
that has bias and a thing that has perspective, but also a thing that is trying to go through
that. And there's like some very interesting contentious moments even with, you know,
the the director like having conducted these interviews with with Paul Rubens of, you know,
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Paul being like, I see that you're trying to guide me into a question about, you know,
gayness and like queerness, right? And like I can see this is all the lights and all the
things here. But like that relationship is so interesting because like so much of his life is
also this duplicity of what is real and what is a bit, right? And I think also that, you know,
in conversation with like a Nathan Fielder, right? Or like all these different things that we're kind
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of seeing as like these very bodacious public personas of who are you outside of this thing or
is there is that you, you know, like what that relationship is like is so interesting and so
good. And like I cried fucking the whole time, obviously, um, you know, because that's that's
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my dad. Like I don't identify someone with a dad, but if I did, like that's it's Paul Rubens, right?
Ally (06:06):
For real.
Cody (06:07):
That's my guy, you know. Um and there's like really good cameos like Cassandra Peterson,
aka Elvira is uh in the interviews a lot because they went to they did groundlings together and
there's like so many good photos of them like as young people, um, which is really beautiful.
Ally (06:24):
Whoa.
Cody (06:24):
Um and it's just like a really interesting attempt to create a very
final word about your legacy while also grappling with the fact that
those things are not objective and does it matter if it is, right?
Ally (06:42):
When I found out that he did not tell anyone on the production team that he was dying.
Cody (06:49):
Yep.
Ally (06:50):
During that. That's so Nathan Fielder to me.
Cody (06:55):
Yeah. Uh-huh.
Ally (06:56):
Of like you are because you can't let go of the narrative.
You are still trying to craft this during it and you can't relax. I'm
that was so intriguing to me that I was like, I have to watch this.
Cody (07:13):
Yeah.
Ally (07:14):
Cuz what do you mean you're not telling them about something that is looming? I mean,
cuz we're all dying, but like you are imminently dying right now. What?
Cody (07:24):
Right. Yeah. It's so fascinating. And like I've I've read some pieces of the director like
talking about cuz this was like a four years kind of in the making project or something and
being like this is, you know, obviously it was very even if it was contentious,
it was very illuminating and very good and like I'm proud of the thing we did,
but it was also like this relationship that Paul had to it of being like never wanting to
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fully lose any control in this even if he is like a subject, right? In this is like
so fascinating. Like what that dynamic looks like in in something like this. It's so good.
Ally (08:00):
Unfortunately, so relatable.
Cody (08:03):
Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah.
Ally (08:05):
And I was telling you off off recording but for the audience,
my parents fell into the propaganda about Paul Rubens.
Cody (08:14):
Yeah.
Ally (08:14):
So I did not grow up with Pee-wee Herman. Obviously his influence on culture,
right? Like I knew about SpongeBob, things like like he was obviously I have engaged
with Paul Rubens' work throughout my life, but I did not, you know, like ever watch the
show because my my parents had feelings about it. Right? Um and it was not until, you know,
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in my adulthood that I realized like, oh, they had been conned. Shocker. My parents fell into
propaganda. Who knew? Um. What? What? And so I'm so excited to be able to watch this and to
understand more about his legacy. I this dropping uh during Gemini season is so appropriate given,
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you know, the work of I love a duplicitous character. I love an artist. Rip Paul.
Cody (09:08):
Rip. Rip to the goat for real.
Ally (09:10):
You would have loved this season of the rehearsal, man.
Cody (09:12):
Oh my god, yeah.
Ally (09:15):
How are you doing, my dude? Uh, I'm here. I am persisting. I'm also bringing some art to
the space this week that that made me happy but made me cry because that's my favorite
kind of comedy. Uh and it is the most recent special from Mike Birbiglia. I love this man.
Cody (09:39):
Yeah.
Ally (09:40):
I've been listening to his podcast for quite a while. But I did not have Netflix
until we watched this most recent season of You. So everyone shut up,
okay? I might be talking about Netflix stuff for a while. It's not sponsored. I just have it for
a month. Everyone shut up. The first special that I remember watching of him was the new one where
(10:02):
he was talking about parenthood for the first time. And so getting to watch his craft. These
last three especially have been bangers of that one, the one of the old man in the pool and then
this most recent one of the good life. What I love about Mike is not just that he's funny,
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but he brings a Broadway play ask to his comedy that you don't often see in stand up that I
really appreciate because one, I like pretty things, so thank you for that. But also,
the only way that I can describe this is tying it to Bo, even though they're very different in the
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way that they craft things, but I love comedy that is sad because I think that comedy is at
its best when it is able to tackle hard topics. And this most recent special Mike is talking a
lot more about his father and his ailing health, which at first glance is like, that's not funny.
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But how else do you process things if you are a comedian? And it's like, well, I got to work
this through. I have to tell this story. There are a lot of times where I'm crying not because
it's necessarily sad, but he's a storyteller at heart. And I love to I love a good story.
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And so I'm laughing and I'm crying and it is beautifully done visually as well. And I'm
grateful that there are comedians out there who are good at their craft, who like to tell stories
and it's not all meant for clips on TikTok. Like it's not just all crowd work bits, I guess.
Cody (12:00):
Yeah, yeah.
Ally (12:01):
It is very clearly like he wanted to tell a
end-to-end story on there. And he's been in the game for a long time.
It's a little bit different than I guess folks that are in the up and comers,
who wouldn't have necessarily had the time to—I don't know, work in UCB, not that I think UCB is
(12:22):
good. It's a cult. But like do the grind, I guess. I love a good story. What can I say?
Cody (12:32):
Yeah. That's really interesting too because like I'm also a fan of Mr.
Birbiglia and his stuff, but particularly he is such a balm against the very like sort of
pseudo viral crowd work stuff that you're mentioning that is really hot right now,
right? Which is fine. Sometimes it's good. A lot of times it's garbo, whatever. But he's
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one that is like he is writing and concepting these things to the second, right? Like he is
very obviously—there's room to play, but for the most part it is very organized. Like I remember
even his conversation on his podcast he had with Chris Fleming, who very famously does
not like long hand anything. He's like, I have vibes. I got ideas, you know. And he's like,
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that pisses me off because if I don't write it down exactly every word for word, it won't be
the joke I wrote. Like it won't be good. Like I can't riff like that. And I think that's such an
interesting parallel to a lot of more of the—which both are good ways to do it. It's just different,
right? But it is interesting—he's very like, this is every word I'm going to say in this
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order and this is the intonation, right? And he's very good at crafting it like that, you know.
Ally (13:47):
And that is where I think you can definitely tell that he has
an acting, a Broadway background. And it comes through in his stand up, not just visually,
but in the storytelling nature. I think both have their strengths in the sense
of I love Chris Fleming. Caleb and Karen have mentioned that too, that it is very vibes based.
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He said like, I work shit out on stage and the idea of that makes me want to vomit. I would
imagine Mike is the same way. The idea of that is so interesting. But I think that all of them do
crowd work because, again, that is a comedian thing. It even shows up in Mike's stand up.
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There are little bits of it that I imagine happen outside of the special, like just during stuff.
But it is a way to garner SEO. It is a way to get attention online. I get it. I like a story.
That is the kind of comedians that I garner and I engage with on here. And especially the topics
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that I've seen throughout Mike's most recent specials are very topical and I relate to it and
I think that they're interesting. So welcome, Mike Birbiglia. You are welcome to pride. You're here.
Cody (15:20):
Yeah. Honorary friend of the show.
Ally (15:21):
Yes. Because I regularly listen to your podcast and you're cool. You can hang.
Cody (15:28):
You can hang, absolutely.
Ally (15:30):
There weren't any current events this week.
We've had this one saved for a bit and since this is a Caroline heavy episode.
Cody (15:39):
Yeah.
Ally (15:40):
I felt appropriate. Also because apparently,
I think Miley dropped some music this week when we were recording this.
Cody (15:48):
Yes, yeah.
Ally (15:48):
So it is also a little bit timely. This is a TikTok from the user, oh fuck,
Isabella Vitanglio. You—we're probably related. I'm going to be honest with you. It is, you know,
hard-hitting news from the Hannah Montana movie.
Cody (16:07):
This took me out. This clip took me out.
Ally (16:11):
It doesn't surprise me at all that,
you know, love of my life, who we have seen on the show sing—
Cody (16:21):
Right.
Ally (16:22):
—was also in the Hannah Montana movie as a backup singer. No,
it doesn't surprise me that Candace King was in this. But it was shocking to stumble upon.
Cody (16:36):
It's so beautiful. The pure just like volume in her hair in this clip.
Ally (16:43):
It's so good.
Cody (16:45):
Of the time. It is so beautiful and listen, she's got star power. We've known this about her.
Ally (16:52):
Mhm.
Cody (16:53):
And it's beautiful.
Ally (16:54):
Here's what I'm going to say. Hannah Montana was a little—it was in my time,
but that was not my ministry. But Miss Candace King looks great.
Cody:The bump.
The bump in her hair is beautiful. She looks like a true Ashley Simpson here and I think that's beautiful.
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I bet that she made good money. So I love that for her. I think that it's great news. Good on her.
Cody (17:30):
Hell yeah.
Ally (17:31):
So I texted you—
Cody (17:33):
Yeah.
Ally (17:37):
—right after I finished watching the episode this morning because I was really upset.
Cody (17:42):
Yeah.
Ally (17:43):
Not only about the contents of this episode,
but the fact that we just can't catch a fucking break watching the show.
Cody (17:50):
They want us to suffer.
Ally (17:52):
And I should have this, you know, egg on my face, right? Because I know better.
Cody (17:56):
Sure. Yeah, fool me once, you know.
Ally (18:00):
I know better than to think that we're going to have any sort
of like dance type episode that is going to be conflict free.
Cody (18:11):
Sure.
Ally (18:11):
So I knew going into this, it being a senior prom, that it wasn't going to end
well. I just didn't realize to what extent it was going to be painful. And it's like
painful in so many different angles at the same time. So like every scene you're like,
here's another thing I'm fucking upset about. Like and there's no place to just chill out.
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It's real dense with sadness. I agree. The only thing that is giving me a little bit
of solace is that according to the Vampire Diaries Wiki, thank you Vampire Diaries Wiki,
it says that for this episode, it is Kat Graham's favorite. It was her favorite episode to film.
Cody (18:54):
Ooh.
Ally (18:55):
Which hey girl, what?
Cody (18:58):
Yeah. Are you good?
Ally (19:01):
But if you're happy, I'm happy. So I will,
I'll relax a little bit. I couldn't take a second to breathe because I
was getting beat up by teenagers for 45 minutes straight. And I'm mad about it.
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The only benefit that I will say, Elena had some good lines this episode.
Cody (19:27):
Oh my god.
Ally (19:27):
She was fucking cooking this episode. I unfortunately, not in the
context of this episode, I unfortunately love bad girl, like evil queen Nina.
Cody (19:43):
Yeah.
Ally (19:43):
I can tell that she loves playing that and I love that for her.
Cody (19:47):
She's having so much fun. Somehow the like red highlights are more vibrant
than ever. I think maybe because of evil, I don't know, but I love it.
Ally (19:57):
Right. It's just maybe they're powering her. I just,
she's having such a good time even though everyone around her is fucking going through
it. Um, as well as she is, but she's just not processing it, obviously.
Cody (20:10):
Right.
Ally (20:11):
But goddamn. Is this like pseudo intervention that they're trying to do at prom?
Cody (20:17):
Mhm.
Ally (20:17):
And she's like, well, I have no emotions, so I'm just going to bite back harder at you all. And
I think that's beautiful. Yeah. Contextually, I do think that this is accurate to a senior
prom in the sense that the characters we saw went through every emotion possible.
Cody (20:37):
Mhm. Ally
at my senior prom. I do think that I experienced every emotion possible.
Sure.
Ally (20:45):
So they got that there. That was true. Two things that made me laugh this episode.
Cody (20:51):
Yeah.
Ally (20:51):
There were a couple things that made me laugh, but two things that stood out to
me that made me laugh. One, Stefan and Damon starting this episode off playing football.
Cody (21:01):
God.
Ally (21:02):
In their home that they don't have the title to,
by the way. They don't own this home. Elena does. No. So rude.
Cody (21:12):
Yeah.Squatter's rights, you know.
Ally (21:14):
We've never seen this happen before. I mean,
we know contextually that Stefan has at least had a uniform for a football team.
Cody (21:21):
Sure.
Ally (21:21):
Sure. But weird thing to suddenly happen. Second thing, this isn't technically funny,
but it was a little bit funny. Um, the way that Elena killed April.
Cody (21:31):
Oh my.
Ally (21:33):
I shouldn't have been laughing, but I was laughing a lot.
Cody (21:37):
It's her energy here is so so welcome even though it is horrific, right? But like, you know,
because it's it's an interesting parallel to, you know, Rebecca in this moment who is trying
to like have a Ferris Bueller's Day Off sort of moment and be like, I'm going to be pretend to,
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I'm going to role play as a human to see if I really want this and approve to Elijah that
I'm good for real. You know. Um, and she's like, I'm going to be a good girl. I'm not going to use
my powers. I'm not going to kill anyone. Yada yada yada. And Elena comes up to April's like,
hey bitch, uh, you got to uh, rig this prom queen situation, okay, for me? Thank you. And then that
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does not happen. And she's like, bitch, what did I tell you? And fucking knocks her out.
Ally (22:25):
We haven't seen April canonically in the show in like weeks.
Cody (22:30):
So true.
Ally (22:30):
And then she shows up. Yeah. Where has this girl been? Yeah. Uh, no, it was it was
too funny. Elena this episode being the devil on Rebecca's shoulder was very important to me.
Cody (22:47):
Literally. Ally
No, for real. And to find out that Elena is staying with Rebecca?
Ally (22:57):
Mhm. Cody
Oh no. Okay. Let's talk about it.
Cody (23:01):
I'd like to learn more about that.
Ally (23:02):
They just dropped that in and expect us not to be like, okay, hold on, run that back actually.
Cody (23:08):
Yeah. Yeah, we're having our little little parties. We're inviting women to
be in between us while we both feed from them but not kiss each other,
you know? And it's great. It's a good roomie situation.
Ally (23:19):
Rebecca's whole thing this episode was tough to watch.
Cody (23:27):
Mhm.
Ally (23:27):
Not from a writing sense. I was just having secondhand embarrassment
personally. Yeah. Um, she looked great.
Cody (23:35):
Mhm.
Ally (23:35):
She was very pretty. It was more so when she started getting to prom specifically with Matt.
Cody (23:43):
Mhm.
Ally (23:44):
That I started feeling that secondhand embarrassment. Specifically when she asked Matt,
do you think that I would make a good human? And he was like, no. No.
Cody (23:56):
This guy just keeps getting dragged into all this bullshit, right? And he's like,
I got to be so for real. Like you don't seem like a good person. I also don't know you that well.
You know what I mean? Like we've had our moments and stuff, but like I can't tell you straight to
your face that I think you rock, you know? Right. Given the information that I know. And she's like,
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cool, cool, cool, awesome. Um, I'm going to go jump off a bridge. Thank you.
Ally (24:25):
It's so awful because she is essentially asking Matt for a
letter of recommendation. He's like, one, I don't know you,
right? I don't know you that well. Second of all, what I do know, not good.
Cody (24:38):
Right. It's not good.
Ally (24:40):
Yeah. And her trying so hard to play one straight, right? To not compel anyone,
to not kill anyone, but then also trying to play it cool. She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Totally. And then having to ask him later on to dance and he's like, no, so I thought we just
(25:09):
did this. No. I don't know you. It's you can see like their Sims, like the negatives above
his head. It's like I mean, you are a vampire, so you could kill me, so I fuck, I guess, dude.
Cody (25:26):
Right. I don't know, man. What do you want?
Ally (25:28):
It is just wild for her to look at Matt. And no shade,
Matt. Like you are on paper the most typical high schooler that we have in the show. You really are
an audience surrogate, unfortunately. And so she looks at him and is like,
you're everything I want to be. And he's like, Rebecca, I'm a bus boy.
Cody (25:52):
Right. I need you to be for real with yourself.
Ally (25:56):
But she is—even though Elijah and Klaus said this about like, hey,
the grass isn't always greener—she is not taking that to heart.
Cody (26:07):
Yeah.
Ally (26:08):
Bless her though because she is following these rules to a T as far as
being very literal of like, you cannot kill anyone, you can't turn anyone. You just have
to be good. And the opportunity to showcase that of like actually saving April's life,
she's like, no, sorry. I can't, my brother told me I can't do that. Sorry.
Cody (26:31):
Yeah. Looking at Matt being like, this is the one time,
girl. Right. I think it's a real ends justify the means thing, my guy.
It's like he's like, hey, I know you're trying to be all like holier than thou right now.
Uh, April is dying, right? So like maybe we—that's like a good thing to do. Like what a human would
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do if they had the ability, right? Because that's pure of heart, you know? Rather than being like,
oh, sorry, can't touch that. Yikes. Elijah will be mad at me. He's going to take my cure away.
Ally (27:05):
God damn. It is wild to see her go through all of this and then not be able to get the cure,
which like obviously, right? That would be too simple.
Cody (27:18):
Right.
Ally (27:18):
But the interactions that she has with Klaus this episode…
Cody (27:25):
Klaus is always on some bullshit, dude.
Ally (27:28):
Specifically the dynamics that he has with
his siblings and Rebecca specifically this episode.
Cody (27:34):
Yeah.
Ally (27:34):
The one at the jump of this episode, I think he said something nasty. I remember writing down,
which is like, oh, you want to be human? Interesting. Okay, well, when you're dying,
when you're on your deathbed, I'm going to tell you that you're wild and ridiculous.
And then I'm going to compel you to forget me. So how about that? Go how about that actually?
Cody (28:00):
He is so petty. He is so like God forbid your sister has a dream, you know? Like God damn.
Ally (28:08):
No, for real. It was like, I'm going to laugh in your face while
you're dying and then you're never going to be able to remember me.
Cody (28:16):
And very much at the end when he catches her saving April's life,
which is like, okay. He did the same thing. He's like, you're bored, which I mean, true,
but coming from Klaus's mouth.... Um, and you're looking for a reason to matter,
which again, true, but not what we want to be hearing from Klaus of all people.
Ally (28:37):
No, yeah. I don't want him to be the judgment police, you know,
for anyone. It's like it's like from where you're standing, buddy, come on now. Get over yourself.
Cody (28:45):
Yeah. You're the one to talk. Being like, actually, I need you to go to Elijah to his
face and tell him that. Uh, like I would and I would get so much joy out of it, but like I want
you to do it and tell me you failed, bitch. Okay. It's like, Jesus Christ, drama queen.
Ally (29:03):
It was Silas who was pretending to be her, right?
Cody (29:07):
Yes.
Ally (29:08):
Yes. Yeah, yeah. That's because I was like, that's not we don't have another blondie.
Cody (29:13):
Right. We don't have another blondie. And like I was because in that moment it is
like spliced with him, you know, Klaus being like, you got to tell him because you failed.
Na na na na. And it's like spliced with her, aka Silas as her telling Elijah like,
I did so good, boss. Like I fucking crushed it. Like there was some complications along the way,
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but I did so good. Hand me that cure, baby girl.
Ally (29:36):
Like which first of all, for why though is what I don't get.
Cody (29:41):
Yes. I — Silas being able to trick all these jabronis by being obviously with um,
Bonnie, it makes sense, right? Because that is like that's the only one that's
understandable because it is very in her brain in a way that she can't escape, right?
Ally (29:58):
Yes.
Cody (29:59):
But everyone else gets a fucking doppelganger that Silas is
in and like both Stefan and Damon get fucking like totally confused, right?
Ally (30:10):
These two, man. I'm not going to put it past Stefan and Damon because we know
with Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, they have no sensibilities, right?
Cody (30:17):
Yeah.
Ally (30:18):
With the originals though, aren't y'all supposed to be unkill… like aren't you supposed
to have… you're supposed to be better than everyone, right? Isn't that your whole thing?
Cody (30:29):
Right. Ally
Yeah. It's just especially with Elijah, right? Because I trust this man, you know?
Ally (30:39):
No, really. Cody
other chuckle fucks. And the fact that so willingly he's like, bet,
okay, good job. Here's the fucking cure. Um, have fun. Nothing more from me. And it's like, my guy,
we know there is someone who is impersonating people or taking the form of people.
(31:00):
You all have been around for a thousand years.
Cody (31:04):
Yeah.
Ally (31:04):
Why don't you all have a fucking code word or something? Like I don't
Cody (31:09):
Yeah.
Ally (31:09):
It's just I know it wouldn't be good for the show, but it's honestly embarrassing that
you all can be deceived so easily because I knew that it was Silas in that moment,
but I didn't understand why like for what? Why do you need the cure then,
TM? I don't — it doesn't make sense to me based on especially how this episode ends where he's like,
(31:35):
so you want to open the gates of hell? Cool, cool, cool. Who are you giving the cure to? You're fine.
Cody (31:41):
Yeah.
Ally (31:41):
Do you just not want anyone else to have it? I mean,
I guess that's simple enough for this villain, honestly.
Yeah, right. But it was just very I didn't — I don't understand the motive.
Cody (31:51):
Yeah.
Ally (31:51):
I did think it was funny that Stefan and Damon got caught by Silas because
Cody (31:56):
Yep.
Ally (31:58):
Um, especially Damon's because Damon is having a really shitty prom.
Cody (32:04):
Oh my god, just the absolute worst. He's in the pits right now.
Ally (32:08):
It's so funny that he was like, oh yeah, I'm coming in here with the purpose
of making Elena's life hell, right? Like I'm going to flood her with emotions. And
then immediately two seconds later, here he is with a flask surrounded by all of
these picture memories and he's like, damn, I got played by my own tricks.
(32:34):
And again, fucking egg on my face. I didn't expect it to hurt as much to see
Silas interfering with Bonnie again. Cuz he is up to some real sick shit this episode.
Cody (32:51):
Yeah. Mhm.
Ally (32:53):
We've for the most part, he's only presented himself as Shane to her.
Cody (32:59):
Yeah.
Ally (33:00):
Which is gross but tolerable. Then this motherfucker decides, oh,
I'm actually not my manipulation isn't working enough. I need to hit nitro mode.
Cody (33:15):
Mhm. Ally
going to put on Jeremy's meat suit. I'm going to kill you myself, Silas.
Come here.
Ally; I'm going to break your bones.
It was so nasty because we know that Bonnie knows that this
isn't real. But it still fucking hurts because even when she's like,
(33:36):
this is happening, like he's like, does it matter, you know?
Ally (33:40):
Oh god. And that fucking first of all, fuck you. First of all, go kill — go sit in the corner.
Cody (33:47):
Yeah. Yeah. Think of what you've done.
Ally (33:49):
Five minute ban. God damn.
Cody (33:51):
But like just to have that like beautiful prom moment that is not even real,
you know, but it feels real or it's close to something that could have
been is so fucking I hate it. It makes me really sad. I hate it.
Ally (34:15):
I hate that this episode starts off with her in the cemetery.
Cody (34:23):
Mhm.
Ally (34:24):
And y'all have to make me look at Jeremy's headstone. Um,
which didn't have dates on it and I knew I knew in my gut that Elena would not have made a headstone.
Cody (34:36):
Yeah.
Ally (34:37):
Already because she was she didn't have her emotions on, so she wouldn't have cared
enough to do it. But it didn't have dates on it and I was immediately like, oh, oh, okay. Um,
this feels a little too real. I've been hoping this whole time that Jeremy would come back.
Cody (34:55):
Yeah.
Ally (34:55):
Um, and so that sucks a lot. Um, the prom part felt like my own personal hell because
Cody (35:08):
Yeah.
Ally (35:09):
I — and we've talked about this. I don't ship Jeremy and Bonnie like that.
Cody (35:16):
Mhm. Ally
but this is very clearly it doesn't matter to Silas. He's using it to cause her pain. What
I appreciated about that scene was because the fact that it's like nighttime, there's
moonlight. I also felt like they used some sort of filter and it felt kind of eerie dreamlike.
(35:39):
Yeah, for sure.
Ally (35:40):
In that moment. Um, that was very spoopy. The needle drop felt uncalled
for to me. It was nasty and kind of took me out of the moment a little bit. Um,
seeing Jeremy get to play evil is unfortunately very important to me.
Cody (36:03):
Yeah, yep.
Ally (36:06):
Um, so and and also just solidifies
the fact that that is not a 17 year old. Like that is a man.
Cody (36:12):
Yeah.
Ally (36:12):
Um, but sorry. Sorry about it. Like that's I sure I'll suspend my belief enough
to pretend that that's a high schooler, but like that's an actor who is a man. Sorry about it.
Cody (36:23):
Right.
Ally (36:24):
I hate seeing Bonnie in pain. I think this is the first time that
Bonnie has seen no humanity Elena, like in the dress shop.
Cody (36:38):
Yeah, right.
Ally (36:39):
It looked like she had been slapped in the face and I was very personally upset about that.
Cody (36:45):
Yeah, yeah.
Ally (36:47):
It's like, oh, she's like gone, gone. Like, oh, okay. Cool,
awesome. Fuck this. And it's so hard because Elena is having great lines,
but also Bonnie is hurt and so I'm being pulled in so many directions because Elena walks in,
she's like, hey Bonnie, heard you got your mind wiped. That sucks. And I'm like, Oh my god.
Cody (37:07):
Yeah, the audacity. Also like it's so fucked of like this whole episode,
Bonnie is being, you know, fucked over by Silas and being pulled in a lot of
emotional directions and trying to have a sense of control over it and to like push that away, right?
Ally (37:29):
Yeah.
Cody (37:30):
And this whole time, well, by herself, mind you,
right? Just totally just raw dogging this shit, you know? No one's really out to help her.
And she like goes to the gang at the prom and it's like, hey y'all, we got a bit of a problem. Um,
because I keep seeing the manifestations of Jeremy through Silas and I feel like I can't do anything
about it. I would like some help, please. And I can't remember if it was Stefan or Damon,
(37:52):
but one of them was like, oh, that's just Silas fucking with you. You got to not let
him do that. It's like, you fucking are you kidding me? Don't even trying to help her.
Ally (38:03):
The one time that Bonnie goes to people and asks for help.
Cody (38:07):
Yeah.
Ally (38:08):
And this is a very pivotal time because she is fully aware of
the fact that her powers are not stable right now.
Cody (38:16):
Yeah, mhm.
Ally (38:17):
And it is so difficult for her to ask for help. She goes and she's like, she goes
to Damon first of all, mind you. She walks up to him of all this asshat and is like, I need help.
Cody (38:28):
Yeah. He's like, oh, no, no, it's fine. It's just in your head. Bitch.
Ally (38:34):
Yeah.
Cody (38:34):
Like that is the point. Damon. Literally. She is aware it is in her head.
Yeah. That is the problem. You can't just be like, what if you just
didn't think about it? You know what I mean? Like just don't stress about
it. That's not helpful, my dog. What? What are we doing?
Ally (38:49):
Yeah. What if you just turn your anxiety off? Damon, I'll kill you myself.
Cody (38:54):
Yeah, okay. I swear to God. It's like she's looking for tangible answers.
Ally (38:58):
And then two seconds later she's fucking breaking all of Elena's bones.
Damon, you know what could have stopped this?
Cody (39:03):
Yeah.
Ally (39:03):
This was preventable. God. Fuck it. I will also say that like I—from POV,
right? From all of these different POVs, this prom sucks. But like from Bonnie's POV,
right? She doesn't want to be here. She's coming with Matt of all people.
Cody (39:20):
Yeah. Ally
She's like, you're here, I guess. You’re around.
Ally (39:26):
And then, you know, just immediately walks in and Elena's like, uh, you are a brainwashed
crazy person. This is—these are Elena's words, not mine. Um, and also you are a walking reminder of
all the horrible things that have happened to me. And Bonnie's like, so why am I here again?
Cody (39:45):
Right. It's like if nobody fucking wants me here and I'm just a burden to everyone with
my fucking Silas bond connection, what the fuck are we doing here?
Ally (39:53):
Right, exactly. What am I—I love. Y'all don't give a
fuck. I don't give a fuck. I'm out. Like sorry.
Cody (39:59):
And then she wins prom queen.
Ally (40:03):
Mhm.
Cody (40:05):
So sorry, Rebecca.
Ally (40:06):
Um...
Cody (40:07):
Yeah.
Ally (40:08):
Then—and this is how we know Elena's really off the deep end right now. And I started to get
real pissed at this moment. Cuz Elena—and we know it's not Elena. But it is still
technically Elena. Being like, well, if I can't get to Silas, uh, I'll just kill Bonnie instead.
Cody (40:26):
Yeah.
Ally (40:26):
Miss Ma'am. Hey, I need you to—I need you to lock in really quick.
Cody (40:32):
Mhm. Yeah.
Ally (40:32):
Because that's your girl. You would have been dead four seasons ago.
Cody (40:36):
Yeah.
Ally (40:37):
You would have been dead so many different times.
Cody (40:40):
Right. If it weren't for Bonnie. So like have some respect, fool.
Ally (40:44):
I know you're real—you're real far gone right now and
that's okay. But like fucking Jesus Christ, man.
Cody (40:49):
It's just—and her talking shit too, being like, oh my God, if Silas dies,
that would suck so bad because everyone would come back to life and I'd have to hear Rick
and Jeremy tell me to get my humanity back. And it's like, oh my God, Elena.
Ally (41:04):
And I just physically can't deal with two
more men talking to me. It's already insufferable enough.
Cody (41:10):
Yeah, already—already too many in here.
Ally (41:12):
Hey, Elena, I get it. There are a lot of chuckle fucks around you. But you can't do though
is open the gates of hell and also kill your best friend. That's what we're not going to do. Uh,
what if we get a—we got to sit down, we got to get a talking stick, we got to deal with her feelings.
Cody (41:29):
Mhm.
Ally (41:29):
Okay? What we can't do is kill our way through this. It's not going to work.
Cody (41:34):
Rebecca needs to host another one of those classroom intervention things.
Ally (41:37):
When Elena brought that up—
Cody (41:41):
Yeah.
Ally (41:42):
I died.
Cody (41:47):
Uh huh.
Ally (41:47):
She's like, remember that girl? Hey, I need you to get it together.
Cody (41:51):
Yeah, Jesus Christ.
Ally (41:55):
It was so painful to watch the two girls that I love—Bonnie
and Elena—fighting each other because what a way to fail the Bechdel test.
Cody (42:09):
Yeah.
Ally (42:10):
In stunning fashion, yeah.
Cody (42:11):
Yeah.
Ally (42:11):
And just—and then Damon and Stefan are just watching it happen
because they can't stop these two powerful women.
Cody (42:17):
Yeah.
Ally (42:19):
But Damon and Stefan are mad at Bonnie.
Why? Because Elena bit Bonnie and Bonnie tried to stop her.
Cody (42:30):
Yeah.
Ally (42:31):
Why are we mad at Bonnie?
Cody (42:32):
Yeah, why is this Bonnie's fault? First of all.
Ally (42:37):
First of all, Elena tried to—
Cody (42:38):
It's not Bonnie's fault. Yeah, right. For the record, this all leads to Silas,
which none of y'all seem to give a fuck about. You're just like, oh, he's just like around.
That's fine. We'll deal with that later. It's like, no, it's actually like really impacting
people currently in this moment. So like we kind of need to give a shit about that. So.
Ally (42:53):
Yeah. And second of all, Bonnie was not the aggressor in this moment.
Cody (42:57):
No.
Ally (42:58):
Elena's the one who bit her and Bonnie said, hey, stop.
Cody (43:01):
Right.
Ally (43:02):
So please don't be mad at her, okay?
Cody (43:04):
Yeah. It's not her fault that she does not—she's in a very vulnerable position.
Ally (43:07):
She's in a very vulnerable position and also she does not
have control of the scope of her powers. So sorry that she
started just breaking Elena's bones. Maybe she meant it, maybe she didn't.
Cody (43:16):
Yeah.
Ally (43:16):
Okay? But what it did unfortunately unlock for these two sickos is that Elena does have
emotion left and it's fear. And that's the last thing these two need to be aware of right now.
Cody (43:28):
Yeah.
Ally (43:29):
I don't need any men being aware of Elena still having fear left,
okay? That is where this show goes into horror.
Cody (43:38):
When they saw that and had their like little Eureka moment back home and being like,
I got it. Here's the plan. We remind Elena of her emotions with fear. I'm like, I swear to God.
Ally (43:53):
Swear this goes into the fucking Handmaid's Tale.
Cody (43:55):
This is—no, we cannot—this is not a plan.
This is just something you discovered, right? This is not an actionable plan. And also,
again, regardless of Elena's getting her groove back or whatever, in that timeline, the Silas
stuff is much more imminent. So we kind of—why don't we cut this off at the pass, actually.
Ally (44:18):
Yeah.
Cody (44:18):
Right. How about we follow up after we figure
out if there's opened up a portal to hell and everyone that is dead has come back.
Ally (44:28):
How about we focus on that task first? Also,
speaking of focusing on tasks, um, we would be remiss to not talk about prom
planner Barbie here. Who from her point of view of this prom, bad. Bad prom.
Cody (44:45):
Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Got her dress fucking stolen. She's asking Klaus to go
into his archival fucking dress barn or whatever from the originals to get her something regal.
Ally (44:57):
Why?
Cody (44:59):
Yeah.
Ally (44:59):
First of all, Elena stealing Caroline's dress, hilarious, nasty, but hilarious.
Cody (45:05):
Yeah. Right.
Ally (45:05):
You know she's down bad when she shows up at Klaus's house and is like,
I need you to unlock your storage.
Cody (45:11):
Right.
Ally (45:12):
Because what—the last thing I'm going to do
is go to my senior prom that I planned and not look good.
Cody (45:18):
Yeah.
Ally (45:19):
And she's right to say that. Him laughing in her face in that moment is disrespectful because—
Cody (45:25):
Yeah.
Ally (45:25):
If you would forget, Klaus, the one time that your family hosted a gala,
y'all lined up on the stairs in coordinated outfits. So you're one to talk, actually.
Cody (45:35):
Yeah. Mhm.
Ally (45:36):
So shut up. Second of all, of course you have relics.
Cody (45:43):
Mhm.
Ally (45:43):
So she doesn't need to go buy a dress, okay? She's already spent enough money. Um, I thought
that that was very resourceful of her even though I don't like her going to ask for help. Um...
Cody (45:56):
Mhm.
Ally (45:56):
I wish that we would have gotten more context on
why Caroline chose "pictures of you" as the theme.
Cody (46:04):
Yeah.
Ally (46:06):
Because what it felt like based on Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum throwing the
football around is that this was an emotional intervention. And I
know Caroline enough to know that this theme has been planned out for months.
Cody (46:20):
Mhm.
Ally (46:21):
So I would have liked a little bit more behind the scenes on that,
but that's fine. I'll set that aside.
I expected that Tyler was Silas and that did not seem to be the case.
Cody (46:36):
Yeah, I was very—after all the other things this episode, I was like, this can't be actually
Tyler, right? Why would we give Caroline the one thing that she's kind of been wanting all night?
Ally (46:48):
Right.
Cody (46:49):
And I guess it's still just like a, you know, not like super happy hunky dory,
right? It's still a pretty bittersweet version of that because they do have this moment of like,
you know, Tyler's in his own house, so we can't get got by Silas there and they can
have like a little dance and be cute. And he's wearing his little suit and it's cute. But like
(47:14):
knowing that this is still the situation of he's got to run forever kind of stuff.
And the way that Klaus like is just posted up outside, like, hey bitch.
Ally (47:26):
Right. It's so funny.
Cody (47:28):
And it wasn't supposed to be funny in the show, but it was funny.
Ally (47:31):
It was—none of this was supposed to be funny.
Cody (47:33):
It was so fucking funny, unfortunately, because like Klaus is posted up and he's like,
hey bitch, um that was all cute and all, but I'm going to give you like two seconds. And
the way that Tyler just boops like into the fast run. I know it's because he's a werewolf,
okay? I know, okay? I know it's a supernatural thing. It's just
(47:55):
always funny when they make them run really fast after really intense emotional moments.
Ally (48:01):
It was like— Cody
It was—no, for real,
cuz it was like in Looney Tunes. Like you could see the dust of the person.
Cody (48:09):
Yes. Yes. Oh, so silly.
Ally (48:11):
It was so funny. Again, it was supposed to be really intimidating
and threatening in the moment, but he was like, got to blast and then just—
Cody (48:20):
Yeah, right. It's like, and I'm out of here.
Ally (48:23):
Oh, so good. I'm glad that it didn't end up being fake and that
Caroline did get a moment of reprieve, but I fully expected to never see Tyler again.
Cody (48:37):
Yeah. Ally
Mhm.
Ally (48:39):
So okay. Um my question—the way that I have interpreted the note at the end of this
and the photo that we have of next episode is that this is how they're segueing into the spin-off.
Cody (48:56):
Right. Yeah.
Ally (48:58):
Because first of all, how did Katherine's note get there? I guess we'll never know.
Cody (49:03):
Sure.
Ally (49:04):
Um but also—she got some carrier pigeons compelled being like,
all right, send this off for me.
Cody (49:09):
She asked Damon to turn into a crow again that we didn't see on camera.
Ally (49:14):
Yeah. Fact that he's did that once and then never again is so—
Cody (49:20):
I want you all to know I think about it like
at least every other day. It haunts me that we've never seen it again.
Ally (49:28):
I need it. I want him to be a crow again. And that's saying something because
y'all know how I feel about birds, but I—they've never mentioned it again.
Cody (49:38):
Yeah.
Ally (49:39):
No. Katherine unlocked a new character, Jane Ann Devero.
Cody (49:44):
Mhm.
Ally (49:44):
So sure, okay. Um my—and apparently, you know,
next episode is titled The Originals. So I still need to know how we're supposed to
watch them. Are they supposed to happen simultaneously? Who's to say, you know?
Cody (50:06):
Yeah.
Ally (50:07):
Uh let us know. Um we're so close to the end of this season.
Cody (50:16):
Oh boy.
Ally (50:18):
If we don't get real Silas's face, cuz I couldn't see it. I thought I figured it.
Cody (50:25):
Right. That's real dark, yeah.
Ally (50:26):
You know, I know CW shows are dark. Um but like I figured it was intentional that
we could not see his face. Um you know, we have presumably three episodes left.
Cody (50:38):
Mhm.
Ally (50:38):
I—I'm nervous about all of these loose ends right now.
Cody (50:47):
Yeah.
Ally (50:48):
I'm curious. I'm just scared. All of our girls are not in good places.
Cody (50:54):
Oh, no, they're not.
Ally (50:55):
Uh I'm just—I'm not—I'm not doing well.
Uh but we have—we have some amazing patrons to thank. Would you like to start us off?
Cody (51:05):
Absolutely. Thank you to Grake Lautner.
Ally (51:07):
Ooh, thank you to April Dobrev.
Cody (51:10):
Ooh, thank you to Sean Salvatore.
Ally (51:13):
Ooh, thank you to Megan Pattinson.
Cody (51:16):
Ow, thank you to Katia Karp.
Ally (51:19):
Ooh, thank you to Genevieve Morgan. Come on down. Pew, pew, pew.
Cody (51:24):
Thank you to Danielle Burke.
Ally (51:26):
Ooh, thank you to Janae Bennett.
Cody (51:29):
Ow.
Thank you to Sophia Salinger.
Ally (51:34):
Ooh, thank you to Dan Zeklos.
Cody (51:36):
Ow, thank you to Emily Ozera.
Ally (51:40):
Ooh, and last but certainly not least, thank you to Jailene Ivashkov.
Cody (51:46):
Pew, pew, pew.
Ally (51:46):
I have a fan fiction for you. Uh it is titled Fallen Stars, colon TVD. It is—oh no.
Um it is by the author Charlie Winchester 1042. Um and I'm going to read the summary of this for you.
Cody (52:06):
Okay.
Ally (52:06):
The summary is
part of the supernatural world when they ran away from town? Years before Elena became the
doppelganger. What if the friend group of those siblings decided to go back to town,
not realizing the soon to be war between their siblings and the original family?
(52:31):
What if they are the very thing needed to keep the Michaelson family from falling into despair
and heartbreak? Let's just hope the fallen stars of Mystic Falls are up to the task.
Cody (52:41):
Oh my God.
Ally (52:44):
Um, I—it, listen, you put the Scooby gang in this and I—you have caught my attention.
Cody (52:56):
Sure. I'm certainly intrigued.
Ally (52:58):
Yeah. Uh so if this has also intrigued you,
there are 26 chapters in this piece for you to enjoy.
Cody (53:10):
Wow. Okay.
Ally (53:11):
I haven't read it, so I have no idea. Um but the summary
caught me by surprise enough that I needed to share with the class.
Cody (53:19):
Sure, absolutely.
Ally (53:21):
Uh friends, I'm so excited to go and watch—first of all,
HBO Max. Second of all, um to go watch this documentary.
Cody (53:30):
Sure.
Ally (53:30):
Uh tell your friends and your family about the show. Um if you haven't already,
join the Patreon. We have a new bonus episode that
just came out in the last couple days. We have defeated the evil that is You.
Cody (53:45):
Yeah. We have done it.
Ally (53:47):
Which is good. And as we stay here in the Pacific Northwest…
Cody (53:52):
Get bit.
Ally (54:06):
Ooh.
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