“Stillness. This is the way.” - Isra Garcia -- In this intimate episode of The Great Victory, Isra García sits with Natasja Pelgrom in Bali—overlooking rice fields, the ocean, and the mountains—on the last day of their time together.
“You don’t have to show love. You are love.”
Natasja is a Pioneer in Holistic Transformation, an internationally respected visionary, advisor, and thought leader at the intersection of sacred leadership, human flourishing, and transformative entrepreneurship. She embodies key capabilities, and her presence carries three significant qualities: heart, wisdom, and depth. From nervous system to nervous system, breath to breath, she asks Isra three questions that pull the conversation into the rawest territory of his 4-year experimental sabbatical: illusion, love, truth—death in every moment—and the one practice he believes most people truly need right now.
“Die at every moment.”
The 3 questions Natasja asks
- What have you learned about illusion, truth, and love through The Great Victory?
- Are you willing to speak about dying many times—and what that “death” really means on the path?
- From all your experiments and practices: what is the one healing quality people need most today?
“Nothing to fix. Nothing to prove.”
What you’ll take from this episode
Why Isra sees illusion, love, and truth as inseparable—and impossible to capture in words
What “dying at every moment” actually means (beyond spiritual romanticism)
Why stillness is not a technique, but an art—and the fastest path to inner freedom
How to start practising stillness without making it complicated
The line that becomes the episode’s mantra: “Stillness. This is the way.”
A conversation for those who want less theory, more reality—and a direct return to what’s essential.
“Stillness is direct realisation.”
Podcast show notes:
Episode Transcript
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