May 21, 2025 • 28 mins
This week’s “How She Finds Purpose” insight comes from Karen Bartholomew. She says -
"It's just small little time-outs for ourself just to check-in and go, what do I need right now? And then literally give yourself permission to take it."
Karen Bartholomew is the founder of the PAUSE Method, a coaching philosophy that empowers women and leaders to embrace intentional reflection, gain clarity, and take decisive action.
After feeling stuck and disillusioned with life, Karen transformed her journey of self-discovery into a powerful coaching approach.
Today, she helps clients release false beliefs, uncover empowering truths, and design strategies for success in both business and life.
Here are 3 reasons why you should listen to this episode:
- Learn how to recognize and break free from limiting beliefs that keep you feeling stuck.
- Discover the PAUSE Method and how it can help you take intentional, meaningful action.
- Get practical advice on how to create space for yourself, even in a busy life.
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Welcome to the Leadership Purpose with Dr. Robin podcast.
I'm your host, Robin L Owens, PhD. I'm a college
professor. And when I'm not doing that, I am teaching others
how to find and stay in alignment with their true purpose.
And this is where we talk with women who've made bold career
transitions in search for more meaning and purpose in
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their work. So if you're feeling that pull toward more meaning and purpose in
your work or just curious about what's possible when you
pursue purpose over position, then these
conversations are here to encourage, inspire,
and guide you. Okay. Let's get started.
Hi, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of the Leadership Purpose
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with Dr. Robin podcast. I'm so glad you're here and you've
listened to the podcast. I say it all the time and I will continue to
say it. Really appreciate you because you have helped
the podcast get ranked in the top 5% of all
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listening in. And help us keep it going. Review,
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rate, subscribe, and it'll be a huge help for us. Thank you for
that. Now today, I'm talking with
Karen Bartholomew. Now let me tell you about Karen.
She's the founder of the PAUSE Method. Alright. I'm already
wanting to pause and hear more about it.
Alright. The PAUSE Method is a coaching philosophy that
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empowers women and leaders to embrace intentional reflection,
gain clarity, and take decisive action. Through this
method, Karen helps clients slow down. Who doesn't need
that? Realign and step into their full potential
with confidence. Her approach helps people release false beliefs,
uncover empowering truths, and design
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strategies for success in both business and
life. Karen's journey began fourteen years ago
feeling stuck and disillusioned with life, and she knew
she needed a change. And that's when it all happened. And
you have to stay and listen to the episode to hear how it turned
out. But now she helps others break free from
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their own false beliefs, releasing old patterns and beliefs
that no longer serve us. Welcome, Karen Bartholomew.
Thank you so much. It's so great to be with you. Okay. I'm
so glad you're here. Now you heard me read your
introduction. Why don't you tell us in your own words two
things? First, something about you, whatever you wanna say about yourself,
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and then about the work you do. Alright. So
well, for me, it's been a journey. You know,
I actually came from a family sandwiched between two boys. And
so in my generation, I don't know if it's for everybody, but in my
generation, you know, the boys were the favorite. Right? And it's because I was sandwiched
between two of them. Right? I was the girl that did all the chores and
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did all the stuff and, you know, I just was that person.
And, you know, I already thought that there wasn't enough love in the house, you
know, for me because they were favored. And then we had two more kids. My
parents had two more kids and I really, at 12 years old, was like ran
to the bathroom when I heard my mom was pregnant and I locked myself in
there and cried my eyes out thinking there's no more love. Like, you know, I'm
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gonna just be lost. And so, you know, interesting
enough, I didn't feel seen, heard, matter, and all that good
stuff, you know? And as children, we need all those things, right? Seen, heard, and
loved. And I think it was just a roller coaster ride for me. Like I
had it for a moment, then I didn't, then I had it, then I didn't.
And so, you know, when I became an adult, I was I was pretty
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lost. And after I had my
third child, which was 38, ending up with the wrong guys
I mean, everything happens for a reason, but I attracted the wrong people
because of my perception of my reality, which I'll get into
more of that a little bit. However, there came a time when I was just
kinda sick of me. I was sick of doing the same thing. I was sick
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of making the same mistakes, and I'm like, why does this keep happening? Right? And
so someone introduced me to a personal development class that I took on, and I
was really able to to take it on fully, embrace it for four
months, and I just kinda found out how I lived life. And I'm like,
ugh. Now I know. What happens is, you know, you're you do
things from the subconscious of how we're raised, and we bring all those
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things that everybody else piled upon us into our adult life.
And then we kinda, like, figure out that we kinda don't like some of that
stuff, but we don't know any different. So we take our history with us, and,
subconsciously, we're just kind of on on autopilot doing our own thing. Right?
And I found out what my autopilot was, you know, really being
an understanding of the subconscious and bringing it consciously to myself and
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asking the, you know, someone asked me the right questions and realized I really didn't
have to live there anymore. However, once you end certain
classes and or things that you take, if you don't stay with
it, like, as you know, you lose it. And
so through many coach I worked for different
coaching companies. And through all of this, what I realized was
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that there's a lot of sales coaching and business
coaching, and there's a lot of mindset coaching, but I could not nothing
was together. So when I was coaching people, people would ask, I don't know how
you move them. And I would explain to them, you know, that because I really
listened to each one of them and was able to kinda coach them
personally on how to break free from those limiting
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beliefs they had from the past to move forward into and change their
nervous system and all that. And I just got to a point where I didn't
wanna work for other organizations, and I wanted to do it myself. So that's
what I did. I just started a new coaching program. I'm like, I'm gonna do
this myself the way that I know works, how to free people
from the constraints of their past and move it forward. And
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I created the pause method because I realized I was doing that
myself. I went through that journey myself, and I I'm like, wait a minute. I
need to take that and put it into something so I could teach
other people how to do it too and break free from their own constraints of
their past and have this amazing joyful life. And so that's
how the pause message started. And I created an
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acronym for pause, which basically means, you know, to perceive, to
become aware, to acknowledge what's going on, to unwind it, and
really, like, get in the nitty gritty to figure out what's going on and then
shift your narrative and perspective to move forward into the
new life that you wanna design. You know? And so changing
that inner narrative and creating lives that really feel
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aligned and not just accomplishing because someone else is telling
us how to live our life. So that's really how it came about. So it's
been a journey, and it hasn't been always easy, but it's
been so rewarding. And if people do
the work, the other side is a really bright
light of just amazement, and you're only
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limited to as small as your imagination because your imagination is huge. And we
really I always say in uncertainty, there are tons of possibilities.
But what happened is in in certain in uncertainty, people create fear, and they
bring all that history forward, and then they don't move. It's unknown what's gonna
happen in thirty minutes from now when I'm we're done speaking.
Right? And we know that this universe is working for us, not against
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us because everything happens. Bad things have happened to people, but,
like, they can take that forward through their healing and help other people. Well,
then what fear what what really is the fear except for a limitless amount
of possibilities for us? Yes. So that's kinda how I got
there. I came to this work out of necessity for me to free
me. I was really successful outside, but internally, I was really
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stuck, unfulfilled, disconnected with who I truly was, didn't even know who I was. I
knew I was a good mom, and I knew I was a good single mom.
And I knew I could create a business and make money. But, I mean,
there's more to life than that. So I just kinda reached a breaking point, and
I decided to push through, pause, and it really just changed everything for
me. Yeah. So I I I really, really encourage people just
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to interrogate the stories that they're telling themselves and really find
someone that can help you, love you, and support you and break through
to transform yourself. Yeah. That's a tremendous journey
that you're sharing with us. Alright. So now you skipped over this, but let's go
back to this because I feel like and I said to you earlier, I think,
you know, your story is gonna really inspire someone who might be having
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a similar experience. And you just said you were you
felt stuck and unfulfilled. Say more. How did you
know? Like, can you give us some background? What were you doing in terms
of work and or career? And how did you
know you were feeling stuck and unfulfilled?
I think that I
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ended up with men that didn't see
me. I think where I was stuck
that I walked in the adult world, believing I didn't
matter. And so if that's your perception,
then you attract people that make it true. And
so I think I just knew that I
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had too much love not to, like, have it come out of
me, but I didn't realize that I was searching for
things to fill me up when, really, everything I needed was
inside of me, and I didn't even know that. Because the love and respect and
everything is inside of me. It's just that when
you're in a situation, that who you are, that version
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of yourself that you love so much was always in you. You didn't need that
person. It just happened to come out. Yes. And so and I'm
working with my daughter right now on this. It's like you miss that
person, but that person is still there. You can have that
version of you anytime. Once you feel it and you
know it, then it's like it was inside of you. It wasn't because of that
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person. That person's gone. You can have that at any given time.
So I had to learn that because I don't think I liked myself. I
think I was just living for everybody else, living what everybody else wanted me to
do, how I was supposed to act, how I was supposed to speak. You know,
I had to meet you know, almost, like, fix everything in the family.
I have four siblings, five, actually. You You know, when there's something wrong, it's
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like my dad would say, you know, can you just call? And I'm like, I'm
tired of being the person to fix everything. It's time for me to work on
me. Yeah. I mean, it it it I think it just I just got I
got tired. I was exhausted. Yeah. That will do it. You get
to a point where it's just so exhausted. You just have to make a change.
Yeah. Now was that around the same time, or was it a different
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time when you said you were thinking it's time for you to do
your own business? Where are we in the So that
actually came up about five years ago, and
then I found myself in another
situation that I was coaching for another company and
working for another company, two different businesses with the same individual.
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And I realized that I ended up working for
someone that was kind of like my past relationships. I found
myself back in that situation. Oh my god. I was so
frustrated. I remember it was three years ago, might have been four years
ago at this point, and I found myself so
stuck that I didn't know which way to move. And I
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remember one of my employees came to me and he goes, I've never known you
not to be able to fix something or not be able to know what to
do next. I'm like, yeah. I'm really, really stuck. I don't know which
way to move. I mean, it was like I was almost, like, frozen. And I
had to find the strength to leave, and then I found a mentor that
helped me have the right words to leave. And I did it in a three
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minute meeting. I didn't give myself any more time. And anything that came across
the desk, I literally just said, okay. Alright. Knowing
that, I was very calm. I was very knew what I needed
to do, and I walked out. And my kids were the one that said, moms,
it's time. It's time for you to start your own business. Oh, your
kids knew. My kids did it. Yeah. My kids are the ones
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that always tell me. They they know me so well. They were the
one, mom, you've been doing this for so many other people for so long, and
you typically are doing it for very little money or if none, just as a
give back. I think it's time that you need to impact people the way you
want to. Bring the two worlds together, help them scale their
business, help their businesses, help their mindset, help women
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get unstuck, and put their oxygen mask on first so they can be better
versions of themselves for other people, their families, their kids, their
whatever, while they do some self care for themselves. So I was like,
okay. And then it just You didn't resist at all? You just immediately
resist at all. Oh. You know, it's interesting when the right
person shows up, like, you hear it. You resonate. It rings
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true for you. Like, yes. This is the thing for me. Yep. And it sounds
like you just immediately set out to do it. I did.
I did. I literally, like, found you know, I called it masterpiece consulting
and coaching because I was like, everybody has a blank canvas. Everybody
can create a masterpiece of their life, so let's help women create
masterpieces. I love that. It's never ending. And so that's one
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of the exercises I do with my clients is, like, we paint. We have a
blank canvas and we paint. You know, after they do their work, like, let's paint
a masterpiece at the end of a seminar. Right? It's amazing what they create
and they take home. So, you know, sometimes it's a jigsaw puzzle.
Right? I like to take that painting, and you can send it in and get
a jigsaw puzzle of it. Right? You know? So in my every little piece
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of the self that you are designing for the next chapter of your
life is just a puzzle piece to your bigger picture, your bigger masterpiece.
And so it's just it's so rewarding seeing these women start from a
stuck place like where I was and getting to the other side.
Yeah. Just letting go of that identity that someone
else gave you Yeah. And letting go of the version that just
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didn't work, that was just surviving. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Would you say now you have purpose in your life and work?
Oh, yes. Yes. I say no to more things now
too. I find
yeah. Because now it's like, you know, I get to, like, have an impact.
I'm pretty busy between coaching and podcast and whatnot,
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but people get to hear that they're not alone,
that there is a different way, that they can still be an amazing mom
and an amazing wife and still have their life too. That
whoever told us when we were small, when we started getting older, stop
dreaming. You need to get responsible and get a real job. I'm like, we can
still keep dreaming. We don't have to give up on all those things that we
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loved when we were younger. We can incorporate them and still have
an amazing life. Yeah. So I think that
the fixer, the people pleaser, all these things that we do, I
like people to explore themselves
versus searching for something outside of themselves to fill
them up. Yes. And I'm imagining you have some
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ways that people could search, which is kinda connected to
what I was gonna ask you anyway. I was gonna ask you, what
can you say to the woman who was at the place
where you were when you were feeling stuck and
unfulfilled, and she is successful in her
work by everybody else's measure. She, you
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know, checks all the boxes, got the promotions, and it
looks fine on the outside. But on the inside, she's feeling
unfulfilled, but feels like she can't say anything because everything looks
okay on paper. But she's looking for more meaning and purpose.
What's something from your experience or from your work that you
would say to her? I think the first thing was as far
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as taking a pause to really do some
deep soul searching. Like, I started my
pause by walking to the mailbox, like, giving me a time out
to walk because I lived on a hill. And so, you know, I walk all
the way down the mailbox and all the way up, and I just decided that
that was gonna be a me time to go out and just connect with
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nature and just really start thinking about what do
I what do I really wanna create? What do I really want for me?
Aside from the mom and the marriage and all the
things that everyone else tells me what to do, if I really listen to just
me, like, what would I design? Then that was my
first step in just taking a pause. I also took a pause when I
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went into the kitchen because I found myself working all day without eating. Right?
And so I took a pause to go, let me just go in the kitchen
for a moment and just really think about what do I need to do to
get myself to nurture myself and from a nutrition standpoint so
I can be the best version of myself for the next two hours. And then
let me think about what the two hours after that when these two hours are
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done. So, you know, those are two things. I took a pause because I was
getting dehydrated all the time. And so I found that if I put a
water bottle, because we're supposed to drink water, and I put a water bottle on
my desk, I wouldn't drink it. So I'm like, this is crazy. I need to
figure out how I can drink more water so I'm more healthy. So I figured
out that I got this exact thing off Amazon, and then that
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wasn't working. So then I had to take okay. Wait a minute. This is ridiculous.
What am I doing? Then I put a straw in it, and now I drink,
like, three of these a day. So The straw did the trick.
The straw did the trick. Now when I get dehydrated,
I know what it is. I'm very aware. Oh my god. I need water. But
before, I didn't even know that I was dehydrated because that was my norm.
So it's just small little time outs for
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ourself just to check-in and go, what do I need right now? Like,
what do I need? Do I just need to meditate for a while? Do I
just need to get out in nature? Do I just need to, like, look at
the stars, look at the sky? What do I need from me? And then literally
give yourself permission to take it. You can even tell your family. I
know women now that, like, I'm going on my walk. They take, like, fifteen minute
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walk, and everyone in the house knows that that's mommy time. And some
kids will go up to her and say, I can I go with you? And
she's like, no. This is my time. And she does not feel guilty about it.
She gives herself permission to take that fifteen minute walk after dinner. So
for her. But in and for things like that, you know, that you encourage, I'm
sure, your pause because it's things that we just
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don't often think about if you're in the habit
of not doing it, if you're in the habit of going and doing
and going and doing. So all those ways that you
pointed out to pause are examples that somebody listening can
do right now. Yeah. Right now. Start today in this
moment. Yes. Yeah. Very much so. Like, taking a
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pause, the women that the what people that are listening, right, and and to all
your episodes, they're taking a pause. Like, whether they know it or not,
there's a nugget that they're gonna get from every podcast in the car.
Like, whatever it is, they don't realize it's a pause maybe, but, like,
really? Yeah. So it there's so many things that we could be
doing. So many things. Love that. And I also noticed that when you
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were talking about the turning points, your questions revolve around what do
I want. And I think that's something else that sometimes is hard for
women to connect with and even ask the question, what do I want?
And I think it's key. Oof. Yeah. So key. Yeah. So
key. Yeah. I think that freedom is in the space between the
trigger that triggers us and then the response. So, like,
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the pause is in between the two because we're human beings and we're reactional
beings, and we just wanna, like but, really, if we just, k. I'm triggered.
Let me just explore that for a minute. Why am I getting
triggered? I'm like, oh, yeah. Because my mom
or my teacher used to tell me not to be a troublemaker,
and then I hear that. And then I'm always trying to stay out of trouble,
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but then I attract trouble somehow because I'm focused on not getting in
trouble. Right? Which really puts weirdest
dive in your mind. Right? Yes. Yeah. So, you know,
I talk about autopilot, and I just posted something on my Instagram story on
Monday. Then I had a bunch of questions, so I posted something today about let
me just you know, I've got a lot of questions, so let me, like, break
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this down a little bit more. But autopilot's like, remember when you learned how to
drive? And we were I'm I learned to stick. I think
you did too. Outside. Yeah. So, you
know, it's like, oh my god. The clutch and the stick and the rear rear
view mirror and this mirror and your parent over there yelling or whatever they're doing.
Right? I mean, my dad was great. I learned in a Volkswagen van going
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uphill. But back then, man, there was so much to think about. And
now we can get in the car and put our mascara on, and we can
do this, that, and the other. And we're in our driveway, and we don't even
know how we got there. No idea. No idea. That
is our life, like, literally 90% of the time every single
day. Well, the unconscious activity that's happening Yeah.
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Not even being aware of it. So no wonder we don't know
what we want. And so no wonder we don't know when it's
time to pause. So no wonder we get exhausted to the
point that you did when you had that change. Yeah. We
think it's normal. Yeah. You know, it's like being dehydrated. Well, that's just who that's
just normal. Yeah. But you don't know realize it's not normal until you
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pause, and then you can get to be a more healthier version of
you. Yeah. Well, you know, you have given us such
nuggets, and I'm imagining people are just taking them
away. But I wanna give you time to say one
more thing if there's something that I didn't get to ask you that you wanna
talk about. If something popped in your mind or you just say, I'll have one
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more thing, or if not, that's okay, and then we'll tell people how they
can get in touch with you. So if there's anything on your mind that you
wanna leave as a a closing thought or one more thing, this is the
time. Yeah. I think I want to just kinda, like, go through the
pause with some questions people can ask themselves so they actually have a
tangible tool that can help them move throughout the day.
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So when we talk about the pause method, right, it's like the first the p
stands for perceive, like the pattern recognition, like identifying
that belief that you have that's shaping your current experience.
So the question would be, what story am I telling myself right now?
And is it rooted in truth, or is it rooted in past
conditioning? Like, in other words, maybe you weren't safe as a
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child, but is that true today? Now some for some people, it
could be very true, but I'm just that's just an example. Right?
So awareness is really the first step to freedom, so we're pulling this
out of the subconscious into consciousness. The next one is acknowledging,
just accepting what is without any resistance or judgment.
I literally ask challenge people at different times during, you
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know, our work to do a timeline of everything that you
remember, basically, and go back. And without any judgment
or opinions or, like, you know, getting stuck, just look and see what you
remember and then look at the timeline. That's how I started this work, and
I saw that every seven years, it's like everything was good and then something happened.
Like, so I felt love and I mattered and I didn't. And then I did
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and then I did and then I did and then I did and then I
didn't. And so that roller coaster of life, right, we take into our
adult life, and then we just pick people and things that keep it going.
And so to really accept it and look at it and do that timeline and
go, oh, now I remember what was going on. So I
know one of my mentors says that life will present people in
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circumstances to show you where you're not free, which means where you're
not healed. So that's why we have we go back and we have to go,
where'd that come from? Yeah. But that's not true today. That's not who
you are. Right? That's who you were when you were 14, but you're not 14
anymore. You're not you're not the same person you were yesterday. You're not gonna be
the same person after this podcast, after you've heard all this because something's
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gonna be different in your thinking, right, which is gonna be different in your
feeling, in your behaviors, in your outcomes. And so that's that acceptance
part. It's not resignation. It's a key it's a key to
shifting a perspective. And then the u stands for unwind. I
really untangle and understand it. Like, here's where we separate fact
from fishing. The lie, you know, the lie that we're hanging on to, yes, evidence
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is 14. But is it true today? Probably not.
And so we wanna, like, understand what is this what if this
belief isn't true? What if you saying you're not safe
isn't true? That you really are safe. You have your home. You're with your
family. Is there anything that's not safe here? You have an alarm system on your
house, so you're safe, but maybe not when you were younger. And
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then what's the situation trying to teach you? Because
the universe works for us, not against us. So everything that's happened in our life
is working for us, which is why I'm here. Because everything
that's happened to me, all the trauma, all the single parenting, I've been a
single parent for twenty six years. You know? And all that
happened, and here I am. I get to take all that now and, like, give
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it away and help other people. This is a space between the
reaction and the response, the point of real power when you look
at that gap and see what's happening. And then shifting
your narrative. So reframing the old belief into an
empowering truth. So the old belief that we can leave, which
actually is where fear comes from, because something happens and you
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pull all the history from the past, and that's what the fear is. But if
we really don't know what's gonna happen, and I would say
everything you've ever feared, how many times has it come true exactly
how you feared it? No. Right? Probably never.
Right. Never. So that fear really is from the
past, and you're not the same person. So, really, you
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can break free of that fear. It takes it takes some
work, but to live in the present. And then so here's
what happens in nervous system. Right? So we can see people that are
on the other side of us when I ask certain questions. Like, when we go
back in time and we're like, wow. How did that feel as that child? And
they're you know, most people will say it's exhausting. It's like, oh my god, to
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live in there now because I'm living in that space now. But then we ask
them, like, well, what if that's not true anymore and you can
live from here on in this space? You
can see people's nervous system, like, feel it in your body
what it feel like to live there. You could see them relax and their
nervous system, like, kinda just change. Like, wow. That would be amazing. Couldn't have
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to carry that around with me anymore. It's like taking a backpack and filling
it with all your fears, the hammers. One hammer, that's one fear. Another hammer, another
hammer. Carry that around all day. See how that feels.
So that's what that way you say, you know, to be able to
rewrite. If we're already free and whole
and worthy, how would I show up? Your imagination
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is limitless. That's where we get to rewrite the narrative and
pivot into new possibilities. Powerful tool. Yeah. So
freedom really is just a thought and a practice
that you just continue. So that's what I wanna lead people with. And,
obviously, they can reach out to me, and we can talk more. They can go
to my Instagram story and see things. But, yeah, I I love
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love helping people from unstuck to freedom. It's
clear. Your passion is coming through. Yes. And I'm
guessing there are people saying, yeah. How can I hear more? So say
again where people could follow you or contact
you. So they can get ahold of me on Instagram. Just Karen Bartholomew. It's just
my name. And also on Facebook, it's just my name. It's very
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easy. Right? I have a new website coming out that'll probably be out within the
next thirty days. It's almost done. So I will be
posting that as soon as it goes live. And then we have group coaching.
We have coaching. We have a a a retreat in June that's coming out in
Sonoma, California for 15 women. It's very private, safe
container for women to come together and go through this work. So if somebody
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wants to learn more, they can always reach out to me, yeah, in all those
spaces. It sounds like you're doing amazing work and really making a difference,
Karen. So I'm glad you stopped by in the midst of your travel
too to come by and be a part of the podcast. Really
appreciate you for being here. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Everyone,
I'd love to hear your response to the episode, and, you
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can reach me. I'm on social media, but I spend most of my
time on LinkedIn. So drop me a message at
Robin L. Owens PhD, at Robin L. Owens
PhD, on any of the channels. But like I say, I'm mostly on
LinkedIn. And until next time, this is
Dr. Robin. Thank you for tuning in to this episode of The
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Welcome to the Leadership Purpose with Dr. Robin podcast.
I'm your host, Robin L Owens, PhD. I'm a college
professor. And when I'm not doing that, I am teaching others
how to find and stay in alignment with their true purpose.
And this is where we talk with women who've made bold career
transitions in search for more meaning and purpose in
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their work. So if you're feeling that pull toward more meaning and purpose in
your work or just curious about what's possible when you
pursue purpose over position, then these
conversations are here to encourage, inspire,
and guide you. Okay. Let's get started.
Hi, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of the Leadership Purpose
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with Dr. Robin podcast. I'm so glad you're here and you've
listened to the podcast. I say it all the time and I will continue to
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rate, subscribe, and it'll be a huge help for us. Thank you for
that. Now today, I'm talking with
Karen Bartholomew. Now let me tell you about Karen.
She's the founder of the PAUSE Method. Alright. I'm already
wanting to pause and hear more about it.
Alright. The PAUSE Method is a coaching philosophy that
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empowers women and leaders to embrace intentional reflection,
gain clarity, and take decisive action. Through this
method, Karen helps clients slow down. Who doesn't need
that? Realign and step into their full potential
with confidence. Her approach helps people release false beliefs,
uncover empowering truths, and design
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strategies for success in both business and
life. Karen's journey began fourteen years ago
feeling stuck and disillusioned with life, and she knew
she needed a change. And that's when it all happened. And
you have to stay and listen to the episode to hear how it turned
out. But now she helps others break free from
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their own false beliefs, releasing old patterns and beliefs
that no longer serve us. Welcome, Karen Bartholomew.
Thank you so much. It's so great to be with you. Okay. I'm
so glad you're here. Now you heard me read your
introduction. Why don't you tell us in your own words two
things? First, something about you, whatever you wanna say about yourself,
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and then about the work you do. Alright. So
well, for me, it's been a journey. You know,
I actually came from a family sandwiched between two boys. And
so in my generation, I don't know if it's for everybody, but in my
generation, you know, the boys were the favorite. Right? And it's because I was sandwiched
between two of them. Right? I was the girl that did all the chores and
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did all the stuff and, you know, I just was that person.
And, you know, I already thought that there wasn't enough love in the house, you
know, for me because they were favored. And then we had two more kids. My
parents had two more kids and I really, at 12 years old, was like ran
to the bathroom when I heard my mom was pregnant and I locked myself in
there and cried my eyes out thinking there's no more love. Like, you know, I'm
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gonna just be lost. And so, you know, interesting
enough, I didn't feel seen, heard, matter, and all that good
stuff, you know? And as children, we need all those things, right? Seen, heard, and
loved. And I think it was just a roller coaster ride for me. Like I
had it for a moment, then I didn't, then I had it, then I didn't.
And so, you know, when I became an adult, I was I was pretty
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lost. And after I had my
third child, which was 38, ending up with the wrong guys
I mean, everything happens for a reason, but I attracted the wrong people
because of my perception of my reality, which I'll get into
more of that a little bit. However, there came a time when I was just
kinda sick of me. I was sick of doing the same thing. I was sick
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of making the same mistakes, and I'm like, why does this keep happening? Right? And
so someone introduced me to a personal development class that I took on, and I
was really able to to take it on fully, embrace it for four
months, and I just kinda found out how I lived life. And I'm like,
ugh. Now I know. What happens is, you know, you're you do
things from the subconscious of how we're raised, and we bring all those
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things that everybody else piled upon us into our adult life.
And then we kinda, like, figure out that we kinda don't like some of that
stuff, but we don't know any different. So we take our history with us, and,
subconsciously, we're just kind of on on autopilot doing our own thing. Right?
And I found out what my autopilot was, you know, really being
an understanding of the subconscious and bringing it consciously to myself and
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asking the, you know, someone asked me the right questions and realized I really didn't
have to live there anymore. However, once you end certain
classes and or things that you take, if you don't stay with
it, like, as you know, you lose it. And
so through many coach I worked for different
coaching companies. And through all of this, what I realized was
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that there's a lot of sales coaching and business
coaching, and there's a lot of mindset coaching, but I could not nothing
was together. So when I was coaching people, people would ask, I don't know how
you move them. And I would explain to them, you know, that because I really
listened to each one of them and was able to kinda coach them
personally on how to break free from those limiting
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beliefs they had from the past to move forward into and change their
nervous system and all that. And I just got to a point where I didn't
wanna work for other organizations, and I wanted to do it myself. So that's
what I did. I just started a new coaching program. I'm like, I'm gonna do
this myself the way that I know works, how to free people
from the constraints of their past and move it forward. And
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I created the pause method because I realized I was doing that
myself. I went through that journey myself, and I I'm like, wait a minute. I
need to take that and put it into something so I could teach
other people how to do it too and break free from their own constraints of
their past and have this amazing joyful life. And so that's
how the pause message started. And I created an
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acronym for pause, which basically means, you know, to perceive, to
become aware, to acknowledge what's going on, to unwind it, and
really, like, get in the nitty gritty to figure out what's going on and then
shift your narrative and perspective to move forward into the
new life that you wanna design. You know? And so changing
that inner narrative and creating lives that really feel
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aligned and not just accomplishing because someone else is telling
us how to live our life. So that's really how it came about. So it's
been a journey, and it hasn't been always easy, but it's
been so rewarding. And if people do
the work, the other side is a really bright
light of just amazement, and you're only
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limited to as small as your imagination because your imagination is huge. And we
really I always say in uncertainty, there are tons of possibilities.
But what happened is in in certain in uncertainty, people create fear, and they
bring all that history forward, and then they don't move. It's unknown what's gonna
happen in thirty minutes from now when I'm we're done speaking.
Right? And we know that this universe is working for us, not against
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us because everything happens. Bad things have happened to people, but,
like, they can take that forward through their healing and help other people. Well,
then what fear what what really is the fear except for a limitless amount
of possibilities for us? Yes. So that's kinda how I got
there. I came to this work out of necessity for me to free
me. I was really successful outside, but internally, I was really
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stuck, unfulfilled, disconnected with who I truly was, didn't even know who I was. I
knew I was a good mom, and I knew I was a good single mom.
And I knew I could create a business and make money. But, I mean,
there's more to life than that. So I just kinda reached a breaking point, and
I decided to push through, pause, and it really just changed everything for
me. Yeah. So I I I really, really encourage people just
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to interrogate the stories that they're telling themselves and really find
someone that can help you, love you, and support you and break through
to transform yourself. Yeah. That's a tremendous journey
that you're sharing with us. Alright. So now you skipped over this, but let's go
back to this because I feel like and I said to you earlier, I think,
you know, your story is gonna really inspire someone who might be having
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a similar experience. And you just said you were you
felt stuck and unfulfilled. Say more. How did you
know? Like, can you give us some background? What were you doing in terms
of work and or career? And how did you
know you were feeling stuck and unfulfilled?
I think that I
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ended up with men that didn't see
me. I think where I was stuck
that I walked in the adult world, believing I didn't
matter. And so if that's your perception,
then you attract people that make it true. And
so I think I just knew that I
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had too much love not to, like, have it come out of
me, but I didn't realize that I was searching for
things to fill me up when, really, everything I needed was
inside of me, and I didn't even know that. Because the love and respect and
everything is inside of me. It's just that when
you're in a situation, that who you are, that version
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of yourself that you love so much was always in you. You didn't need that
person. It just happened to come out. Yes. And so and I'm
working with my daughter right now on this. It's like you miss that
person, but that person is still there. You can have that
version of you anytime. Once you feel it and you
know it, then it's like it was inside of you. It wasn't because of that
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person. That person's gone. You can have that at any given time.
So I had to learn that because I don't think I liked myself. I
think I was just living for everybody else, living what everybody else wanted me to
do, how I was supposed to act, how I was supposed to speak. You know,
I had to meet you know, almost, like, fix everything in the family.
I have four siblings, five, actually. You You know, when there's something wrong, it's
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like my dad would say, you know, can you just call? And I'm like, I'm
tired of being the person to fix everything. It's time for me to work on
me. Yeah. I mean, it it it I think it just I just got I
got tired. I was exhausted. Yeah. That will do it. You get
to a point where it's just so exhausted. You just have to make a change.
Yeah. Now was that around the same time, or was it a different
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time when you said you were thinking it's time for you to do
your own business? Where are we in the So that
actually came up about five years ago, and
then I found myself in another
situation that I was coaching for another company and
working for another company, two different businesses with the same individual.
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And I realized that I ended up working for
someone that was kind of like my past relationships. I found
myself back in that situation. Oh my god. I was so
frustrated. I remember it was three years ago, might have been four years
ago at this point, and I found myself so
stuck that I didn't know which way to move. And I
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remember one of my employees came to me and he goes, I've never known you
not to be able to fix something or not be able to know what to
do next. I'm like, yeah. I'm really, really stuck. I don't know which
way to move. I mean, it was like I was almost, like, frozen. And I
had to find the strength to leave, and then I found a mentor that
helped me have the right words to leave. And I did it in a three
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minute meeting. I didn't give myself any more time. And anything that came across
the desk, I literally just said, okay. Alright. Knowing
that, I was very calm. I was very knew what I needed
to do, and I walked out. And my kids were the one that said, moms,
it's time. It's time for you to start your own business. Oh, your
kids knew. My kids did it. Yeah. My kids are the ones
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that always tell me. They they know me so well. They were the
one, mom, you've been doing this for so many other people for so long, and
you typically are doing it for very little money or if none, just as a
give back. I think it's time that you need to impact people the way you
want to. Bring the two worlds together, help them scale their
business, help their businesses, help their mindset, help women
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get unstuck, and put their oxygen mask on first so they can be better
versions of themselves for other people, their families, their kids, their
whatever, while they do some self care for themselves. So I was like,
okay. And then it just You didn't resist at all? You just immediately
resist at all. Oh. You know, it's interesting when the right
person shows up, like, you hear it. You resonate. It rings
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true for you. Like, yes. This is the thing for me. Yep. And it sounds
like you just immediately set out to do it. I did.
I did. I literally, like, found you know, I called it masterpiece consulting
and coaching because I was like, everybody has a blank canvas. Everybody
can create a masterpiece of their life, so let's help women create
masterpieces. I love that. It's never ending. And so that's one
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of the exercises I do with my clients is, like, we paint. We have a
blank canvas and we paint. You know, after they do their work, like, let's paint
a masterpiece at the end of a seminar. Right? It's amazing what they create
and they take home. So, you know, sometimes it's a jigsaw puzzle.
Right? I like to take that painting, and you can send it in and get
a jigsaw puzzle of it. Right? You know? So in my every little piece
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of the self that you are designing for the next chapter of your
life is just a puzzle piece to your bigger picture, your bigger masterpiece.
And so it's just it's so rewarding seeing these women start from a
stuck place like where I was and getting to the other side.
Yeah. Just letting go of that identity that someone
else gave you Yeah. And letting go of the version that just
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didn't work, that was just surviving. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Would you say now you have purpose in your life and work?
Oh, yes. Yes. I say no to more things now
too. I find
yeah. Because now it's like, you know, I get to, like, have an impact.
I'm pretty busy between coaching and podcast and whatnot,
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but people get to hear that they're not alone,
that there is a different way, that they can still be an amazing mom
and an amazing wife and still have their life too. That
whoever told us when we were small, when we started getting older, stop
dreaming. You need to get responsible and get a real job. I'm like, we can
still keep dreaming. We don't have to give up on all those things that we
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loved when we were younger. We can incorporate them and still have
an amazing life. Yeah. So I think that
the fixer, the people pleaser, all these things that we do, I
like people to explore themselves
versus searching for something outside of themselves to fill
them up. Yes. And I'm imagining you have some
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ways that people could search, which is kinda connected to
what I was gonna ask you anyway. I was gonna ask you, what
can you say to the woman who was at the place
where you were when you were feeling stuck and
unfulfilled, and she is successful in her
work by everybody else's measure. She, you
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know, checks all the boxes, got the promotions, and it
looks fine on the outside. But on the inside, she's feeling
unfulfilled, but feels like she can't say anything because everything looks
okay on paper. But she's looking for more meaning and purpose.
What's something from your experience or from your work that you
would say to her? I think the first thing was as far
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as taking a pause to really do some
deep soul searching. Like, I started my
pause by walking to the mailbox, like, giving me a time out
to walk because I lived on a hill. And so, you know, I walk all
the way down the mailbox and all the way up, and I just decided that
that was gonna be a me time to go out and just connect with
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nature and just really start thinking about what do
I what do I really wanna create? What do I really want for me?
Aside from the mom and the marriage and all the
things that everyone else tells me what to do, if I really listen to just
me, like, what would I design? Then that was my
first step in just taking a pause. I also took a pause when I
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went into the kitchen because I found myself working all day without eating. Right?
And so I took a pause to go, let me just go in the kitchen
for a moment and just really think about what do I need to do to
get myself to nurture myself and from a nutrition standpoint so
I can be the best version of myself for the next two hours. And then
let me think about what the two hours after that when these two hours are
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done. So, you know, those are two things. I took a pause because I was
getting dehydrated all the time. And so I found that if I put a
water bottle, because we're supposed to drink water, and I put a water bottle on
my desk, I wouldn't drink it. So I'm like, this is crazy. I need to
figure out how I can drink more water so I'm more healthy. So I figured
out that I got this exact thing off Amazon, and then that
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wasn't working. So then I had to take okay. Wait a minute. This is ridiculous.
What am I doing? Then I put a straw in it, and now I drink,
like, three of these a day. So The straw did the trick.
The straw did the trick. Now when I get dehydrated,
I know what it is. I'm very aware. Oh my god. I need water. But
before, I didn't even know that I was dehydrated because that was my norm.
So it's just small little time outs for
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ourself just to check-in and go, what do I need right now? Like,
what do I need? Do I just need to meditate for a while? Do I
just need to get out in nature? Do I just need to, like, look at
the stars, look at the sky? What do I need from me? And then literally
give yourself permission to take it. You can even tell your family. I
know women now that, like, I'm going on my walk. They take, like, fifteen minute
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walk, and everyone in the house knows that that's mommy time. And some
kids will go up to her and say, I can I go with you? And
she's like, no. This is my time. And she does not feel guilty about it.
She gives herself permission to take that fifteen minute walk after dinner. So
for her. But in and for things like that, you know, that you encourage, I'm
sure, your pause because it's things that we just
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don't often think about if you're in the habit
of not doing it, if you're in the habit of going and doing
and going and doing. So all those ways that you
pointed out to pause are examples that somebody listening can
do right now. Yeah. Right now. Start today in this
moment. Yes. Yeah. Very much so. Like, taking a
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pause, the women that the what people that are listening, right, and and to all
your episodes, they're taking a pause. Like, whether they know it or not,
there's a nugget that they're gonna get from every podcast in the car.
Like, whatever it is, they don't realize it's a pause maybe, but, like,
really? Yeah. So it there's so many things that we could be
doing. So many things. Love that. And I also noticed that when you
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were talking about the turning points, your questions revolve around what do
I want. And I think that's something else that sometimes is hard for
women to connect with and even ask the question, what do I want?
And I think it's key. Oof. Yeah. So key. Yeah. So
key. Yeah. I think that freedom is in the space between the
trigger that triggers us and then the response. So, like,
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the pause is in between the two because we're human beings and we're reactional
beings, and we just wanna, like but, really, if we just, k. I'm triggered.
Let me just explore that for a minute. Why am I getting
triggered? I'm like, oh, yeah. Because my mom
or my teacher used to tell me not to be a troublemaker,
and then I hear that. And then I'm always trying to stay out of trouble,
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but then I attract trouble somehow because I'm focused on not getting in
trouble. Right? Which really puts weirdest
dive in your mind. Right? Yes. Yeah. So, you know,
I talk about autopilot, and I just posted something on my Instagram story on
Monday. Then I had a bunch of questions, so I posted something today about let
me just you know, I've got a lot of questions, so let me, like, break
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this down a little bit more. But autopilot's like, remember when you learned how to
drive? And we were I'm I learned to stick. I think
you did too. Outside. Yeah. So, you
know, it's like, oh my god. The clutch and the stick and the rear rear
view mirror and this mirror and your parent over there yelling or whatever they're doing.
Right? I mean, my dad was great. I learned in a Volkswagen van going
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uphill. But back then, man, there was so much to think about. And
now we can get in the car and put our mascara on, and we can
do this, that, and the other. And we're in our driveway, and we don't even
know how we got there. No idea. No idea. That
is our life, like, literally 90% of the time every single
day. Well, the unconscious activity that's happening Yeah.
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Not even being aware of it. So no wonder we don't know
what we want. And so no wonder we don't know when it's
time to pause. So no wonder we get exhausted to the
point that you did when you had that change. Yeah. We
think it's normal. Yeah. You know, it's like being dehydrated. Well, that's just who that's
just normal. Yeah. But you don't know realize it's not normal until you
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pause, and then you can get to be a more healthier version of
you. Yeah. Well, you know, you have given us such
nuggets, and I'm imagining people are just taking them
away. But I wanna give you time to say one
more thing if there's something that I didn't get to ask you that you wanna
talk about. If something popped in your mind or you just say, I'll have one
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more thing, or if not, that's okay, and then we'll tell people how they
can get in touch with you. So if there's anything on your mind that you
wanna leave as a a closing thought or one more thing, this is the
time. Yeah. I think I want to just kinda, like, go through the
pause with some questions people can ask themselves so they actually have a
tangible tool that can help them move throughout the day.
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So when we talk about the pause method, right, it's like the first the p
stands for perceive, like the pattern recognition, like identifying
that belief that you have that's shaping your current experience.
So the question would be, what story am I telling myself right now?
And is it rooted in truth, or is it rooted in past
conditioning? Like, in other words, maybe you weren't safe as a
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child, but is that true today? Now some for some people, it
could be very true, but I'm just that's just an example. Right?
So awareness is really the first step to freedom, so we're pulling this
out of the subconscious into consciousness. The next one is acknowledging,
just accepting what is without any resistance or judgment.
I literally ask challenge people at different times during, you
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know, our work to do a timeline of everything that you
remember, basically, and go back. And without any judgment
or opinions or, like, you know, getting stuck, just look and see what you
remember and then look at the timeline. That's how I started this work, and
I saw that every seven years, it's like everything was good and then something happened.
Like, so I felt love and I mattered and I didn't. And then I did
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and then I did and then I did and then I did and then I
didn't. And so that roller coaster of life, right, we take into our
adult life, and then we just pick people and things that keep it going.
And so to really accept it and look at it and do that timeline and
go, oh, now I remember what was going on. So I
know one of my mentors says that life will present people in
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circumstances to show you where you're not free, which means where you're
not healed. So that's why we have we go back and we have to go,
where'd that come from? Yeah. But that's not true today. That's not who
you are. Right? That's who you were when you were 14, but you're not 14
anymore. You're not you're not the same person you were yesterday. You're not gonna be
the same person after this podcast, after you've heard all this because something's
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gonna be different in your thinking, right, which is gonna be different in your
feeling, in your behaviors, in your outcomes. And so that's that acceptance
part. It's not resignation. It's a key it's a key to
shifting a perspective. And then the u stands for unwind. I
really untangle and understand it. Like, here's where we separate fact
from fishing. The lie, you know, the lie that we're hanging on to, yes, evidence
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is 14. But is it true today? Probably not.
And so we wanna, like, understand what is this what if this
belief isn't true? What if you saying you're not safe
isn't true? That you really are safe. You have your home. You're with your
family. Is there anything that's not safe here? You have an alarm system on your
house, so you're safe, but maybe not when you were younger. And
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then what's the situation trying to teach you? Because
the universe works for us, not against us. So everything that's happened in our life
is working for us, which is why I'm here. Because everything
that's happened to me, all the trauma, all the single parenting, I've been a
single parent for twenty six years. You know? And all that
happened, and here I am. I get to take all that now and, like, give
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it away and help other people. This is a space between the
reaction and the response, the point of real power when you look
at that gap and see what's happening. And then shifting
your narrative. So reframing the old belief into an
empowering truth. So the old belief that we can leave, which
actually is where fear comes from, because something happens and you
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pull all the history from the past, and that's what the fear is. But if
we really don't know what's gonna happen, and I would say
everything you've ever feared, how many times has it come true exactly
how you feared it? No. Right? Probably never.
Right. Never. So that fear really is from the
past, and you're not the same person. So, really, you
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can break free of that fear. It takes it takes some
work, but to live in the present. And then so here's
what happens in nervous system. Right? So we can see people that are
on the other side of us when I ask certain questions. Like, when we go
back in time and we're like, wow. How did that feel as that child? And
they're you know, most people will say it's exhausting. It's like, oh my god, to
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live in there now because I'm living in that space now. But then we ask
them, like, well, what if that's not true anymore and you can
live from here on in this space? You
can see people's nervous system, like, feel it in your body
what it feel like to live there. You could see them relax and their
nervous system, like, kinda just change. Like, wow. That would be amazing. Couldn't have
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to carry that around with me anymore. It's like taking a backpack and filling
it with all your fears, the hammers. One hammer, that's one fear. Another hammer, another
hammer. Carry that around all day. See how that feels.
So that's what that way you say, you know, to be able to
rewrite. If we're already free and whole
and worthy, how would I show up? Your imagination
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is limitless. That's where we get to rewrite the narrative and
pivot into new possibilities. Powerful tool. Yeah. So
freedom really is just a thought and a practice
that you just continue. So that's what I wanna lead people with. And,
obviously, they can reach out to me, and we can talk more. They can go
to my Instagram story and see things. But, yeah, I I love
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love helping people from unstuck to freedom. It's
clear. Your passion is coming through. Yes. And I'm
guessing there are people saying, yeah. How can I hear more? So say
again where people could follow you or contact
you. So they can get ahold of me on Instagram. Just Karen Bartholomew. It's just
my name. And also on Facebook, it's just my name. It's very
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easy. Right? I have a new website coming out that'll probably be out within the
next thirty days. It's almost done. So I will be
posting that as soon as it goes live. And then we have group coaching.
We have coaching. We have a a a retreat in June that's coming out in
Sonoma, California for 15 women. It's very private, safe
container for women to come together and go through this work. So if somebody
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wants to learn more, they can always reach out to me, yeah, in all those
spaces. It sounds like you're doing amazing work and really making a difference,
Karen. So I'm glad you stopped by in the midst of your travel
too to come by and be a part of the podcast. Really
appreciate you for being here. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Everyone,
I'd love to hear your response to the episode, and, you
(28:05):
can reach me. I'm on social media, but I spend most of my
time on LinkedIn. So drop me a message at
Robin L. Owens PhD, at Robin L. Owens
PhD, on any of the channels. But like I say, I'm mostly on
LinkedIn. And until next time, this is
Dr. Robin. Thank you for tuning in to this episode of The
(28:27):
Leadership Purpose with Dr. Robin Podcast. If you
enjoyed it, head on over and rate and subscribe
so you never miss an episode. New episodes drop
every week, and I can't wait to hang out with you again
soon. Meanwhile, this is
Dr. Robin signing off. See you next time.
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