All Episodes

December 4, 2025 32 mins
Tl;dr

AI alignment has a culture clash. On one side, the “technical-alignment-is-hard” / “rational agents” school-of-thought argues that we should expect future powerful AIs to be power-seeking ruthless consequentialists. On the other side, people observe that both humans and LLMs are obviously capable of behaving like, well, not that. The latter group accuses the former of head-in-the-clouds abstract theorizing gone off the rails, while the former accuses the latter of mindlessly assuming that the future will always be the same as the present, rather than trying to understand things. “Alas, the power-seeking ruthless consequentialist AIs are still coming,” sigh the former. “Just you wait.”

As it happens, I’m basically in that “alas, just you wait” camp, expecting ruthless future AIs. But my camp faces a real question: what exactly is it about human brains[1] that allows them to not always act like power-seeking ruthless consequentialists? I find that existing explanations in the discourse—e.g. “ah but humans just aren’t smart and reflective enough”, or evolved modularity, or shard theory, etc.—to be wrong, handwavy, or otherwise unsatisfying.

So in this post, I offer my own explanation of why “agent foundations” toy models fail to describe humans, centering around a particular non-“behaviorist” [...]

---

Outline:

(00:13) Tl;dr

(03:35) 0. Background

(03:39) 0.1. Human social instincts and Approval Reward

(07:23) 0.2. Hang on, will future powerful AGI / ASI by default lack Approval Reward altogether?

(10:29) 0.3. Where do self-reflective (meta)preferences come from?

(12:38) 1. The human intuition that it's normal and good for one's goals & values to change over the years

(14:51) 2. The human intuition that ego-syntonic desires come from a fundamentally different place than urges

(17:53) 3. The human intuition that helpfulness, deference, and corrigibility are natural

(19:03) 4. The human intuition that unorthodox consequentialist planning is rare and sus

(23:53) 5. The human intuition that societal norms and institutions are mostly stably self-enforcing

(24:01) 5.1. Detour into Security-Mindset Institution Design

(26:22) 5.2. The load-bearing ingredient in human society is not Security-Mindset Institution Design, but rather good-enough institutions plus almost-universal human innate Approval Reward

(29:26) 5.3. Upshot

(30:49) 6. The human intuition that treating other humans as a resource to be callously manipulated and exploited, just like a car engine or any other complex mechanism in their environment, is a weird anomaly rather than the obvious default

(31:13) 7. Conclusion

The original text contained 12 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.

---

First published:
December 3rd, 2025

Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/d4HNRdw6z7Xqbnu5E/6-reasons-why-alignment-is-hard-discourse-seems-alien-to

---



Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.

---

Images from the article:

Mark as Played

Advertise With Us

Popular Podcasts

Dateline NBC

Dateline NBC

Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com

Are You A Charlotte?

Are You A Charlotte?

In 1997, actress Kristin Davis’ life was forever changed when she took on the role of Charlotte York in Sex and the City. As we watched Carrie, Samantha, Miranda and Charlotte navigate relationships in NYC, the show helped push once unacceptable conversation topics out of the shadows and altered the narrative around women and sex. We all saw ourselves in them as they searched for fulfillment in life, sex and friendships. Now, Kristin Davis wants to connect with you, the fans, and share untold stories and all the behind the scenes. Together, with Kristin and special guests, what will begin with Sex and the City will evolve into talks about themes that are still so relevant today. "Are you a Charlotte?" is much more than just rewatching this beloved show, it brings the past and the present together as we talk with heart, humor and of course some optimism.

Stuff You Should Know

Stuff You Should Know

If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.

Music, radio and podcasts, all free. Listen online or download the iHeart App.

Connect

© 2025 iHeartMedia, Inc.