154 DSG Outerwear: Women's Hunting Gear and Adventure it Inspires

Join Mia Anstine in this exciting episode of the MAC Outdoors Podcast as she chats with special guest Rachelle Hedrick, a passionate hunter and outdoor enthusiast, about women's DSG Outerwear.

What You'll Hear in This Episode:

🎯 Spotlight on DSG Outerwear: Learn about Rachelle's work with DSG Outerwear, a brand dedicated to high-quality, women-focused hunting and outdoor apparel. From its snowmobile roots to its leadership in technical gear for women, DSG's mission and innovations are a must-have for outdoor enthusiasts.

🎯 Hunting Packing Tips: Learn expert advice on packing for hunting trips, including the importance of wool base layers to stay warm and comfortable in unpredictable weather conditions.

🎯 Thrilling Moose Encounters: Rachelle shares the story of a memorable mini-hunting expedition, offering vivid descriptions of her close encounter with a moose and the challenges that came with it.

🎯 Faith and Conservation: Discover how Rachelle's Christian faith shapes her views on wildlife conservation and hunting as a tool for population management and organic food sourcing.

🎯 Spiritual Connection to Nature: Rachelle reflects on the peace, gratitude, and spiritual enrichment she finds outdoors, offering a heartfelt perspective on hunting and nature.

Why Listen?

This episode is packed with inspiration and practical advice for anyone passionate about hunting, outdoor gear, and the connection between faith and conservation. Whether you're a seasoned hunter, a newcomer, or simply curious about women's gear innovation, this conversation is for you.

🔗 Links and Resources:

• Mia Anstine - https://MiaAnstine.com
• SHOP DSG - https://mia.limited/shopdsg
• DSG Outerwear - https://www.dsgouterwear.com/
• Connect with Rachelle Hedrick - https://www.facebook.com/rachelle.humblehedrick
• Visit VOORMI — Voormi.com/MiaAnstine
• Use discount code MACO10 at WSI Sports — https://mia.limited/WSI
• Use discount code ANSTINE at Tarnkappe — https://mia.limited/tarnkappe
• MAC Outdoors apparel and gear – https://mia.limited/1
• Self-Defense Radio Network – https://mia.limited/SelfDefenseRadio

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
All right, everybody, thank you for tuning again to the Mac Outdoors
Podcast again today. I am happy to have Rachelle on
the show, and we're going to be learning a little bit about some women's
outdoor gear, and hopefully, as we learn, we can
answer your questions and some that I've seen in the past.
So, Rachelle, would you please introduce yourself and let my listeners

(00:22):
know who you are and what you do. My name is Rachelle
Hedrick. I am outdoor enthusiast. I
live in cabins, West Virginia in the Appalachian range of West
Virginia. And I have worked for DSG
Outerwear for the last seven years in the hunt line.
I'm super excited to visit with you because I knew about dsg,

(00:44):
but when I saw you showed up, I kind of did a little research on
you as well. So I want to learn about the gear, but I also want
to learn more about you because I haven't yet met you. And I'm excited to
learn more about you. But thinking of
dsg, I kind of wanted to go back to the
history of the gear, but also where you guys are going to be going. And

(01:05):
when I first found DSG gear, it was snowmobile
gear. And so can you kind of give us a kind of a rundown
of where it came from and where it's going?
Yeah. So Wendy Gavinsky is the owner and founder of DSG
Outerwear. And I, I know that she started
because she was just in so much frustration not

(01:26):
finding snowmobile gear for women that fit
women that was feminine looking, you know. And so
she started her own line. And
I think maybe like seven years, eight years into that,
she got a call from Wisconsin dnr. And that was like when
the Blaze pink was first being legalized in several

(01:49):
states. And they had asked her, like, hey, have you ever thought
about doing hunting gear? And she said, actually, yeah, I have
thought long and hard about it. And so that's kind of how the hunt
line came along. And at that time, we really did not
have many options for women's gear.
I know, me personally, I have worn

(02:12):
a lot of men's mediums. And the awful
thing about not just wearing men's, but men's doesn't come in smaller
sizes. So if you're a smaller woman, you have to. This started the me. So
you not only have men's gear on, it doesn't fit right, but you're like swimming
in it. So it was a lot of hand me downs and men's
gear in the beginning of my hunting career. And

(02:34):
I, I'm grateful for people who are bold like
Wendy to go out and start something like this because it was truly
needed. And now, many years into it, we
do have several options for women's gear. But the DSG
line has really grown, not just
with hunting gear, but fishing gear, heated gear, and then the

(02:56):
snow line as well. So casual, casual wear,
lifestyle wear, it's just really exploded.
You can pretty much find anything on that website. Well, that is
super cool with the snowmobile gear. Something
that I kind of wanted to go there since that's where it started out. And
we're headed into winter and so is it. It's something that you're still producing,

(03:19):
I'm guess. Yeah. Yeah. She still has a great
line of snow gear. That's not really
my department. I, we have
team leaders for like the snow line, the fish line, the heat line, and
the hunt line. And I'm more of the hunt line. But the
snowmobile gear is fully in full swing

(03:40):
still. So that's what started the company. And
actually when she first started the company, it was just snow
gear and it was called Divas Sports Gear, I think is what
it was. And when she started the hotline,
I, I said, you know, I, I love what this is. I, I want to
be a part of this, but I just really feel like your name is. It

(04:04):
does not like go well with the hunting industry with the whole
Divas. Divas thing. And so DSG was
already embroidered on everything. So Wendy came up with doing
something great. And so I, I was like, this
is amazing. This is, this is hunting, fishing, camping,
conservation, anything outdoors, we're doing something great. And so that's

(04:26):
how doing something great became alive. And it's
DSG outerwear. And that's what DSG stands for. So
we, we moved forward in 2017 with doing something
great. Right. And I think that doing something great
is a great acronym, especially because I know some
people kind of frown on divas or

(04:47):
babes or you know, like the gender specific type
of names. Right. It was okay for the snow
line, the hunting side of things. The
hunting industry really doesn't really
care for those types of words, so it was better to
just change it. And now

(05:09):
the doing something great covers pretty much everything of
the outdoor life. Yeah.
When we're looking at outdoor life with just hunting,
you said that a lot of gear has been added on is it's just everyday
lifestyle gear that's been added or what kind of things are
additions. The snow line was so great,

(05:31):
the hunt line was so great that people were always coming,
hey, can you make Backpacks, can you make this? Can you make hand muffs? Can
you make fishing line? Can you make heated gear? And it just kept
evolving and I mean like the possibilities
would be endless at this point. The men keep begging us to make
men's gear and that's not going to happen because we are

(05:53):
strictly women's exclusive. So. But
yeah, no, like, I mean just the lines that have evolved
over the years and like even our ice fishing. So
I think one of the stores, one of our retailers, ask
Wendy, can you make an ice line? Like we have
the open water fishing but we added the ice

(06:14):
fishing as well. So we have two lines of the fish line and
that was actually requested because it was something these retailers
were not seeing and they needed it and they had women asking for
it. And so that's how the ice line was born. And so
like the technical side of everything, like Wendy already had
that under her belt because snow gear is so technical.

(06:37):
It's got to be waterproof, windproof, you've got to get the zippers right. Nothing can
leak. So when she moved to hunting,
like you know, it had to be windproof and waterproof and silent and,
and you know, you don't want your scent leaking through. And so it was
very, very technical. And then the fish, the ice
fishing had to be very technical. So I think

(06:59):
that's, that's one advantage that we have over the other companies
is that because she's been in, in this business so long with the techn
of everything, it's something that's
very beneficial to the brand. Yeah. And with the
technicality, it's something that I always look for in gear. I mean a lot of
people, we used to joke, you know, decades ago, like pink it and trinket

(07:22):
and as you said, like a men's small is not going to fit
somebody who is 5 foot 2 and weighs 120 pounds. Like it just doesn't
fit. So you know, go
ahead. I'm sorry, go ahead. I was going to say to fit our
curves is something else as well. And when we're looking
at the technical aspects of the gear,

(07:44):
how do you, how do you guys develop or advance or further
any type of innovation in the gear? So as far
as sizing, we have, they, they buy very
expensive mannequins that go from
the extra extra small to the 5x. Now we didn't have extra extra
small to begin with. I noticed just from the hunt line

(08:07):
that little, littler girls, like 12, 14,
15 year old girls were, were wanting to go out and hunt with Their moms
and even the littler kids, like two, three, We. We do get
asked, you know, can you make toddler sizes? But
when you're making gear in those sizes, you have to make, like 5,000
pieces, and there's just not enough demand for that. But as far

(08:29):
as, like, the 12 and 12 to 14
range, like women's size 0, the
extra, extra small we were able to do, and we were selling a
ton of it. The. I don't know if you're familiar
with Hannah Barron. She is. She's one of the girls we sponsored. She's so
tiny, and she wears our extra, extra small. There's no other company in the

(08:51):
entire industry that makes that size for her. And not
only do we make an extra, extra small, but if you're shorter or
more petite, we have an adjustable inseam, so it.
It. The bottom hem folds up under and then it
snaps. So it goes from 32 and a half to 30 and a half
to 28 and a half. So you can actually adjust the

(09:13):
inseam. And then the waist is adjustable as well. You can
tighten it or loosen it. And a lot of our bibs,
like hoods, are removable. We have drop seats on everything. It's
so, like going up to 5x, we make sure
we don't just make it wider, wider, wider. We make sure
that it fits around the waist. And women are all built

(09:36):
differently. So we get a lot of feedback, and we take
that feedback and we make it better. That's why you see like, 2.0,
3.0, 4.0 on our website, because each year we're
taking all this feedback and we're listening to what people are saying,
and we're putting that back into our gear to make it better. Each piece
better and better year after year. So it's always something to look forward to. And

(09:58):
you see like a 3.0 or 4.0, or like, oh, my gosh, what did they
add? Or what did they do different or, you know, and how is the sizing
different? Or does it have fleece now instead of insulation or both or whatever?
And it's just really exciting. And we try to have new
gear each and every year. Yeah. And to me, I think it's something
that's super great because, like I said, like, I'm short. And then I have,

(10:20):
like, my friend Carrie. She is a host of a podcast as well, but
she is, like, 6ft tall. And when we hunt together, we laugh because
she's looking for something that's long. I'm looking for Something that's shorter.
And so this ability to adjust a hem on the
fly is something that we always love, the both of us
do. And when we're looking at like sleeve length, is there

(10:43):
anything considerations for that for a taller person?
So luckily for me, because I'm tall with long limbs.
So is Wendy the owner? She's, she's very tall. She wears a size
10 shoe and she has long arms like me. And so everything
I get is like, you can see, it's like, you know, it's,
it's long enough that like, normally my stuff comes to here and I'm like pulling

(11:06):
it down, pulling it down. But when I put on dsg, just
everything fits so perfectly. But if you have shorter arms, then
you just pull it up to where you need it. And then it has the
Velcro where you can tighten, tighten the arm to leave that
adjustment cuff or adjust the cuff to where you need it. So the
adjustable inseams, the adjustable cuffs, pretty much everything is adjustable. We

(11:26):
have like adjustable waists. Even in the jackets, you can pull them
tighter. Some girls like them tighter, some girls don't.
And then we have, we have a set called the Brianna.
And it's very, very, very stretchy. So with
that I, I always get a small. But then like as it's
like 15, 20 degrees and I'm have like four layers

(11:49):
underneath. That set in itself just
stretches and forms to how, how many layers
you have on because it is just so soft and
it's silent. And that is my favorite set, the Brianna that I wear
the whole season. So I will wear that from like 40 degree with no base
layers all the way to like 15 degrees with like 3 base layers

(12:11):
under it. My heated vest, my heated socks, because we make heated gear as
well and heated gloves. And it just, it
works for me as a bow hunter. But that set
just stretches with you. So I know a lot of girls are like, oh,
I'm kind of like a schmedium. I'm in between a small and a medium. With
that set, like you could go for a small and it would still stretch to

(12:33):
a medium. It's like, I don't know, it's just, it just works. It's just
like the perfect fabric. So. And it's really warm and it's fleece inside.
I wear it casually and I wear it in the woods. So a lot
of our gear is so versatile that you can wear it
casually and wear it in the woods as well. So I don't know, you get
double use out of it. And it's just totally worth it. Yeah, it's

(12:55):
a Debrianna. Is it kind of like a mid season and then you layer
underneath it or what? What type of season are we looking at? It's a mid
season. It's completely fleece lined. I actually. So
we all were on a duck hunt this weekend, and we were testing out our
waterfowl line, and so Wendy was with us. And on the way
there, I wore my Brianna on the plane. And on the way home, I wore

(13:16):
my Brienne on the plane because it's just. It's so
warm. It's cozy. It's like a big fluffy hoodie. But at the
same time, like, I can run through briars and it won't snag. I wear a
bear Hunting, I wear it deer hunting, I wear it. I wear it
anytime it's 40 degrees or colder. I have the Brianna
on. So it's. It's. I think it's like a fan

(13:39):
favorite. Like, because I manage our sponsorships as well
and it's everyone's favorite. So everybody loves that.
Everyone has that. I even have it. We make it in black as
well. And so it's basically for blind hunting. So if you're
in a blind, you want to wear all black. So we have the top and
bottom, the drop seat bib in the black as well. But I wear that

(14:00):
casually. I wear the camo and the black ones casually
all the time. So it's just. I don't know, it's just the
comfiest piece that we have. Yeah. And I was gonna say that's kind of a
testimony to the design itself if you're comfortable enough to wear it when you're
traveling through an airport, like. Yeah. Yeah.
And I guess you wouldn't have to worry about people wondering why you're wearing camo

(14:23):
and when you're in the airport or something like that. Yeah, they're like, that
girl just came back from hunting or that girl's going to a hunt. Yeah, yeah,
for sure. And so you mentioned the heat gear. How
long have you guys had that out? I think this will be the third year
that we've have heated gear. So the socks are
absolutely amazing. I don't hunt without the socks, even if I

(14:45):
don't turn them on. Like, I would rather have them on and
not need them than not wear them and need them. So if it's
like 40 or below, I usually have my socks with me. They're either in my
bag or on my feet if you set all day,
which sometimes I Set all day, really, you just want to have them on in
the mornings and the evenings. That's when it's coldest. So sometimes

(15:07):
I'll have a, I'll keep an extra set of batteries and then I'll just
swap them out for the evening and let them run, you know. But they
get so warm that I keep mine on 50%,
which actually is great because the battery lasts longer on 50%. But they
do get very, very, very warm. So if your fingers and
toes are like the first thing to get cold, the heated socks are absolute.

(15:30):
Must have. The vest is heated as
well. My core doesn't really get
very, very cold. But just having,
having that sense of like, okay, I can always turn this on if I need
it. You know, it's, it's just a nice extra layer to have if, if
the wind does start blowing or you get a chill and you're just like, oh,

(15:52):
you know, once you get that chill, you know, you're done. And so it's nice
to just click a on your chest and just, you're, you
can just feel just like some, you're in this hot shower, all of a sudden
you're just like, ah, you're back to warm again. And we have heated
gloves, which, being a bow hunter, I don't, I don't wear the gloves
personally. If I'm gun hunting and I'm sitting in a blind,

(16:14):
I will wear the gloves as well. They're just, it's just so nice to have
just a touch of a button and just give you that extra warmth.
So I always stay, I always say like, stay warmer,
stay out longer. That's kind of like our slogan with that.
So once you're cold, you're done. It's hard to draw your bow. It's
hard to shoot a gun. It's hard to move your fingers when you're cold. It's

(16:35):
like, why am I even sitting here? So it's always
nice to have heated gear as well. And that was like, I was so excited
when we brought, brought that line on. I was like, yes, yes, yes. So I
feel like complete now. Like we have literally everything. We have insulated boots
that are lace up. We have rubber boots head to toe like
every season. If you get on other websites that have women's

(16:58):
skier, I think there's only like maybe
one or two in the industry that's like made by women for women.
So that's a really heavy slogan for us because it's women owned, women
design, women tested, women's exclusive gear.
A lot of the other brands are the afterthought.
Like, oh, let's just make a women's line and see how it does. And

(17:22):
they do like one jacket and two pairs of pants and maybe a base
layer with dsg. There are so many pieces. Like
when I go on a hunt, I'm like, I want to take this vest. So
I want to take this reversible puffer and I want to take this Brianna. But
what if I need the Kylie? And what if I, you know, like, you're just,
it's really hard not to take it all. Before you know it, your big roller
bag is just jam packed full and, and you really don't need it all. But

(17:45):
there's so many options. Even with our accessories, there's so many
options. And so I feel like we have a huge
advantage over the other companies just because of our selection
alone. Like for turkey season, there's, there's,
we have foraging leggings with, with light long sleeve
shirts, short sleeve shirts. And then we have the Bexley, which is very light. So

(18:07):
you've got two options right there. We also have field pants.
And then we go up to a soft shell. And then we have two fleece
lined. We have the Ella and the Brianna, which I keep talking about the Brianna.
The Ella is fleece lined as well. It's just a jacket and a pantry
compared to the Brianna, which is a pullover and a bib. And
then we have the Kylie, which is our thickest, thickest, heaviest piece.

(18:29):
Waterproof, windproof. It's a three in one jacket. It's very,
very warm, insulated, has a liner, really cute
liner that you can zip out and wear casually if you want. And so
like there's just so many pieces, vests,
reversible, jackets, like, things like that. And then our whole
casual line to go with that as well. So we have upland gear.

(18:51):
We have everything. I can go on and on, but it's just better to get
on DSG outerwear.com and check it out. Right?
And so for the listeners, we'll actually have some video and pictures. If
you're over when you're not driving, go to YouTube and you can see kind of
what we're looking at and what we're talking about. And before we started, I
told Rochelle we kind of rescheduled before this, but I was thankful that

(19:13):
we rescheduled because I was invited to the Governor's Ringneck Classic in
Kansas. And I was like, oh, gosh, I'm going to have to
cancel, like last minute. And I looked and you had rescheduled and I was like,
yay. Which is terrible. But I was.
But I put on my chair today because I just washed this bloody
vest. Yeah, it's my DSG vest that I've had for a

(19:35):
while. But I'm headed out tomorrow
to go to a quail hunt with New Mexico Game and
Fish in down in New Mexico. And so it'll be going again.
So I had to get it cleaned up, get the feathers out of it.
Ah. But I'm super stoked because you
mentioned waterfowl gear and it's waterfowl season

(19:57):
and of course, like, heater gear, I'm thinking of sitting in the
blind, freezing my fingers and toes off and stuff like that.
And at least in, like, our pop. Our. We have an Alps blind
that pops open, we can put a little box heater in there, but in the
layout blinds, it gets cold. And so I was excited when you
said heater gear because I like heater gear and I wanted to kind

(20:18):
of back up to that a little bit. The vest, does it have a
battery pack or coils or what? How is it heated? Like,
through? Is it heated throughout or just in core sections? It's
heated in the front of the chest and it's heated on the back of the
shoulders. So it has a little button here on the chest. And you
can do, like, low, medium, or high. And that battery

(20:40):
is a little bit bigger. It just goes right into the pocket. And then the
battery actually can plug your phone into it if your phone is going dead. So
you can charge your phone while you've got your heated vest on.
But I always like to keep, like, extra ones, you know, because if I
am charging my phone, of course it's going to go dead. But like I said,
the socks, I keep them on, on medium just because they get so

(21:01):
warm. And then my battery lasts like, five, six hours.
So it'll last. They'll last a long time. But if
you're out all day, it's always good to have, you know, like a backup.
A backup spares. And so the socks,
I'm remembering back to, like, old days of original
heat, like insoles and stuff like that. With the

(21:23):
socks is. It is as simple as the vest where I'm pushing a button on
my chest. Can you push the sock? Or how are you turning those off and
on? So the sock comes up your calf, and if you're
wearing rubber boots, it sticks out just above the rubber boot. So it's
just below your knee but high on your calf. And then
all of our Pants kind of zip up the leg so you can just unzip

(21:45):
it and hit that button. And it has the low, medium high
as well. Yeah, it's really accessible. It's super easy. I do it all the
time in the stand. Yeah, because that's the worst
when it's like you've got this heated insole or something and your feet are too
hot, and you're like, the remote's not working. I don't know if it's on or
off. Like, you'd have no idea. So this is. I love the

(22:07):
simplicity of it, and I think it would make life so
much better. I'm going to have to get me a set before I head out
to this blind. Because right now, like, hiking in the field, it's
like, the cold is not as much of an issue right now, but
we're having a heat wave. I don't know about where you live, but here.
Yeah. Everyone shouldn't say heat because it's 30 degrees.

(22:29):
Yeah, it's 60 here. I mean, it
normally, like, you know, 30, 40 this time of year
today. So. So that's a heat wave. Oh, yeah. And I
hunted Kansas a few weeks ago, and it. I was literally. My husband and
I were laughing. Our friend just called us a couple days ago. He came back
from Kansas. He said I was down in my boxers, and I said, that's so

(22:51):
funny because I was down in my sports bra. My husband was down his box.
Like, it was 90 when we were out there. It was so hot. And you're
just sweating your blinds. I'm like, this is so
unusual for this time of year. It's just. Yeah, it's just really
warm everywhere, which really doesn't help with sales because you're trying to
sell heated gear and all this insulated gear, and it's. Everybody's

(23:12):
so hot and warm. So it's not the best for sales. It's
really not the best for deer running around. We like it to be cold, but,
yeah, it is definitely unusually warm for this time
of year. Right. But we know it's coming. It's all. It always comes.
It'll hit us hard now that we've been like, oh, this is nice and warm,
and it'll. Next week it'll snow. Yeah. And so you're a

(23:35):
hunter. How long have you been hunting? I've been hunting
17 years. Yeah.
My dad was an avid outdoorsman. He passed away when I was
7. So my mom kind of, like, sold all of
his guns and didn't think that us kids would get into anything like that. I
mean, we skied and we were very athletic into sports.

(23:58):
But I didn't really hunt until I met my husband in
07. And he put a fly rod in one hand and a bow
in the other. And that's. It just was in my blood the whole time. I've
always been very tomboyish and I love the outdoors.
I played outdoors, doors all day long, always outside. I had just
never hunted or fished, you know, in that way. And

(24:19):
so he's an outfitter. We raise trout.
And so his family actually owns a caverns
in, in West Virginia. It's called Smoke Hole Caverns. The
whole area we live in is called Smoke Hole because the
settlers used to go in the caverns and smoke meat and the smoke would billow
out and they call it Smoke Hole. So we're known for trout fishing and DNR

(24:41):
stocks our river. So we have log cabins and cottages
and RV sites along the riverside. And then we raise trout. We have a trout
pond, we do fly lessons. And it's like the whole resort kind of thing.
A 26, 000 square foot gift shop, a little mini golf and things like
that. So yeah, when I met him, like our first date
was fly fishing. And so I kind of caught on to that. It's so funny

(25:03):
when I say like, I don't really even know how to use a spin rod.
I've only fly. I'm just mastered fly fishing. That's all I do is fly
fish. And then bow hunting, we just, I've just been bow
hunting forever. I feel, it feels like it's just like,
it's just like second nature to me. So I, I do gun hunt a little
bit if the opportunity arises, but I'm normally bow

(25:24):
hunting. Yeah. So when I have so many questions,
I always do this. I'm like,
and I'm laughing because my husband, when we met,
I knew how to, how to spin fish, I knew how to bait cast. I,
you know, it's stuff like that. But I wanted to learn to fly fish. And
he was just kind of like, he was a fly fishing guide and he just

(25:45):
kind of rolled his eyes because you know how they always say like husbands and
boyfriends or whatever can't teach their girlfriends or wives. And
so it took about a year for me to finally get convinced him
like, I really want to learn how to fly fish. And now it's like
you can't get the fly rod out of my hand. Right. So
I mean, it's easy, but it's hard and it's Technical. But once

(26:07):
you learn how to do it, it's. It just. I think
I prefer that. I may definitely prefer that over just like, a spin
cast, you know, there's so much more beauty and technique to it, I
think. Definitely. And I think
it's kind of Zen to just cast the
rod and to try to place a fly.

(26:29):
And it's kind of like hunting. And a lot of people. Just this week at
the Ring, that classic, I was sitting next to a guy and he. He was
the DJ at the event, and he said he didn't hunt. He only fishes. And
I was like, well, that's like hunting. And he said, what? And I was like,
yeah, you have to hunt for the fish. And I don't know if he fly
fished or not. We didn't get that far. But for the listeners, can

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you kind of explain, like, with your guys's
location there, how are you guys managing and
conserving fish? So we actually. We have
a spring creek that comes out, like, into our
property, and that's where we raise our brood stock.
So those are like our larger trout.

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It's catch and release only, and we guide it. We don't let anyone fish in
there by ourselves because it takes, you know, eight, 10 years to grow these
fish as large as, like, 12 pounds. So we have
rainbow, and then we have golden rainbow, which originated here in our
town back in the 60s. So people travel from all
over just to catch a golden rainbow. And then we have

(27:33):
brook brown and some tiger as well. And
so it, you know, it. It really is. You know,
people say, oh, I'm going to come up there and fish with y'all. Like, what
do I need? What do I need? And we're like, we'll take care of you
when you get here because, like, really, you got to match the hatch. You have
to know what flies to use, what time of year, how to read the water
and. And things like that. And we do a lot of lessons. A lot of

(27:56):
lessons. And we love teaching kids because it just seems
like all kids are naturals with that. I don't know. They don't have any bad
habits to break. And. And they listen. And it's
so fun teaching kids, too. And you're just standing back like,
wow, they caught on, like, the first five minutes, and then the adults
are like three hours in, and they're still. They don't know.

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But I have. We have women's retreats here.
And so we'll get, like, eight women all together for two days,
and we'll do the lessons with them and I feed them three meals a day
and we'll, we'll take them on a float on the river or we'll, we'll
wait, we'll wade the river. We fish on the spring creek, we
fish in the pond. I'll take them up on the mountain. We'll have a

(28:41):
big fire up on the mountain with the overlook. I let them go through the
caverns. It's just kind of like touristy and, and learning fly
fishing all at the same time. But it's, I usually just do all
women and it's such a, it's such a blast. Oh my gosh. I do, I
like to do two classes a year and, and it's really,
it's really fun to get a bunch of women together that are like minded

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and all different ages and just coming from all over
and meeting new people and it's, it's a good
time. Yeah, it sounds like a good time. Totally good time. Do you have any
coming up or what time of year do you usually do that? Yeah, I usually
do the end of May before,
before Memorial Day. We usually do a class and then

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sometimes if I do a second class or if I have a lot of people
asking, I'll do like the first week of June because they actually, the
DNR will stock. We live on the north fork of the south bridge of the
Potomac and they'll stock clear up to the end of May. So fishing
still really good into June
if we have water. So we had a big drought.

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We've actually been kind of droughted the last three years. But this past
summer was our worst and we lost all of our fish
in our pond and our raceway. Our, our stream was
good, but everything in our catch and keep pond
died because of the water got too warm
and then we lost oxygen. And then Josh and I were in

(30:07):
Arizona for two weeks because I drew a mule deer tag after 14
years and the power went out and we were not
here and nobody knew and we lost everything in our raceway. So if you
haven't lost 3 million fish, you're not a real fish
farmer. It takes a lot of hard
work and starting from scratch a lot.

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So yeah, this happens. It happens
a lot. It happens, you know, through the years and we just start over.
Everything in our Spring Creek consult. Always good though. That's our catch and release area.
That's where we do our fly lessons. So everything is, is still there. So you,
you know, our big broods, they're good, they're good. It's just the pond is hard
to keep cold, you know, with the oxygen and everything like that, when it's

(30:51):
droughted. So the weather does play. Play a big part in what we
do. So. Yeah, absolutely. That's something
that I haven't talked about on the show yet, is about raising fish.
And I've shared fish stocking events and stuff like
that. But it's kind of interesting to hear you talk about possibly
losing your whole tank of fish or your whole pond of fish.

(31:13):
That would be terrible. Yeah, it was terrible. What kind of. What kind
of tips do you have for people when talking about dealing
with trout? Trout are
very wimpy fish. Like when you're bass fishing, you
grab them by the lip and you're holding them up. With a trout, they
can't be out of the water very long. You have to actually baby them. When

(31:36):
you put them back in, you have to be very gentle. You can't put your
fingers in their gills. If they bleed even a little bit, there's most likely
going to die. You have to be very, very good about just
hooking them on the lip. If they swallow it, just cut the line. Don't even
try to take it out, because it's going to be a dead fish. So, like,
when you put them back in and like our broods, you're gonna have to fight

(31:57):
them a while. You're not gonna. You're not gonna hook one and just reel it
in. You're going to hook one, and it's going to be three to five
minutes. Fighting that thing, you got to let it get tired or else
it'll snap your line. You have to have the thin line because they will see
it. So you've got this giant fish on a very thin line. You can't
be horsing it in. You got to do it slowly and let them get tired.

(32:19):
Then when they finally give up, then you can, like, slowly reel them towards the
bank, net them, take your picture, and then let them back in. But they're so
tired at that point that they are roll. Once they're on their
belly, they're like, oh, no, what do I do? So once
you. Once they're on your belly, you just flip them over, and it's like they
get their life back and their brain works again, and they're like, oh. And then

(32:40):
they. They'll swim off. But sometimes you just got to let them lay there and
rest as well. So it just depends on how long the fight
was, how long you had them out of the water. You know, you really got
to baby them. They're They're a very wimpy fish.
And that's an interesting word, wimpy. But that's something I try to
encourage listeners understand that they are. They're a delicate

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fish, and we. We don't horse them in. And it.
I'm just thinking right now, as you're telling that story,
I recently shared a video of my husband
reeling in a pike, and I clipped sections and, like, did
it nine times. Speed, like, super fast. Sped it
up because people's attention spans are so

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short. And so for the listeners, if you
don't have patience, you're not going to land a big one.
These big ones, that's part of the joy, and especially on a fly rod,
is pulling them in and letting them run and
listening to your guide when they tell you to let them run. Because
these big fish, you can't just horse them in. You're not.

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It's just not going to happen. And so have patience when you're fly
fishing, if you want to catch a big fish. That's
why we got it as well. Like, people are like, well, I know what I'm
doing. I. I don't need a guide. And, you know, I'm like, I don't care.
You're not fishing in our private spring creek without us.
Because they will stick their fingers in their gills or they'll go,

(34:06):
you know, ripping on the fly, pulling it out, and then you got dead fish
everywhere. And that's just not going to happen when you pour everything
you have into this to grow them for so many years. So,
yeah, it doesn't matter how experienced someone is. We're always
there with them, so makes us feel better.
Yeah. Help them out along the way. Well, I love that. I think it's great.

(34:28):
I'm gonna have to try to add that to our destinations list.
And so you mentioned that you drew an Arizona tag.
Tell us about the Arizona hunt. Did you. Did you tag one? Did you have
an adventure? How did it go? So it. Yeah, it took me
14 years to draw this tag, and it was a mule deer in the kaibab,
and I had an excellent guide, but

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they don't allow cameras in Arizona anymore. And this was like the first or second
year that they didn't allow cameras. So no game cameras,
right? Yeah. So it was very, very, very difficult to
tell what was in that area. So we sat in blinds over
salt licks and water holes. Well, it had rained the whole
time, so they didn't need to come to water, and they don't come to salt

(35:12):
when it's wet. They only eat it when it's dry. So we
did glass some up, but there was a burn in that area,
so it was a lot of. There wasn't a lot of coverage. So these,
these mule deer are like 200, 250 yards out and you
have absolutely no way to do a spot and stock on them because it's just
wide open terrain. So

(35:34):
yeah, that was a hard one to swallow. Just
you know, bringing that tag home, knowing. I mean my seven day hunt
turned into a ten and a half day hunt. But I, we had the
best time. My husband was there with me. We spike camped. I
forgot how much I love to spike camp it. I.
We were right on the edge of the Grand Canyon, so we got to see

(35:57):
really cool, really cool formations.
And just even, just driving through Utah to even get to Arizona was just like,
wow, this is crazy. I'm like, the earth is definitely
completely underwater at one point. Like you're just, your mind is like thinking of
all this stuff. Like, yes, I believe in Noah's ark and all this stuff and,
but like to see it like that, you know, it's just crazy. It's

(36:19):
like we're not in West Virginia anymore. It was, was, it was wild. It was
the best, best hunt. Then I come home from there and I
left for Saskatchewan for a moose hunt. And
I went, I went with a friend. It was on the res. And
he, he, he asked me if I wanted to come up and I was like,
yeah, absolutely. Definitely want to get like a Yukon moose would be my

(36:41):
dream hunt. But like, who has like $40,000 in their back
pocket? We won't be choosy about this. Go to
Canada, California. Sure. And it was the
very first morning. This moose was huge. It was like 50 inches and it was
very big for that area. And I was like, I cannot believe this is happening
and I'm gonna have moose meat. Like, all I wanted was moose meat. I had

(37:03):
it one time and it was amazing. And I. That's all I could. When I
kill a moose, I'm gonna give you some meat now. I'm gonna give you some
meat. Like I'm already giving all my meat away before I even killed this animal.
I was just so excited to have moose meat in my freezer.
And the very first morning we, we found this big moose
and he said, 200 yards. That thing's dead with a gun. And I'm like,
I'm like, lance, I didn't fly all the way up here with my bow just

(37:26):
to shoot it with a Gun. I'm like, I'm gonna. Let's spot and sock this
thing, you know? So we get about 50 yards away, and he's
like, 50 yards. This thing's dead with a gun. And I'm like, come on, we're
this close. Let's get closer. And I could have shot it at 50 yards, but
I'm pulling 55 pounds, and is. Is probably the biggest animal I've ever
drawn back on. So I wanted to get as close as I could. The

(37:47):
wind was just ripping in the perfect direction.
So we. It. It covered a lot of our sound, and it covered a lot
of our scent. And so I got about
25 yards, and my guide stepped on a stick behind me, and he looked at
me, the moose looked at me, and we're, like, face to face at 25
yards. And he, like, went to go around to circle me,

(38:09):
so I busted left, and I, like, I knocked an arrow, and I just
went running through all this brush. And then I. I was sneaking up, and I
looked up, and there I was, like, 10 yards face to face with this bull,
and I'm like, oh. And I kind of, like, started to go down.
I'm like, what are you doing? Are you trying to hide? He already sees you.
Like, I'm invisible. Yeah. I'm like, you don't see me. You don't see

(38:31):
me, you don't see me, you don't see. And so, like, he turned to walk
away, and I just bolted. I took off running, and he turned
back again to look at me, and I just drew
and I held until he made a move to walk away. And then he
quartered, and I was like, should I shoot him quartered? I'm like, I don't know.
He's so big. I don't know. Like. And then he went full broadside, and I

(38:52):
let that arrow fly, and I heard it hit like doom. And the moose went
like that. And I was like, yeah, it's like, oh, my God.
I cannot believe this just happened. First morning, 17 yards, like, this is. Was
a dream come true. And there was no blood,
no arrow. And so we backed out, got some
help, and took forever to even find any blood.

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Well, there's a lot of canola fields up there, and they had just been cut,
so it's just like little sticks maybe, like, 8
inches high through these dirt fields. So there was
this blood trail. And long story short, we followed this blood trail for
a mile and three quarters and before I found my arrow. And it was a
full arrow. The broad head wasn't broken. Nothing was broken.

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And just like, what in the world? Like, I know
I hit him good. Like, I held where I should, you know, it's just. If
I had to replay it in my head over again or do the whole thing
over again, I wouldn't have changed anything. I would have done exactly what I did.
So the last quarter mile, we could just see
his. His. His footprints

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through the. Through the canola fields. There was no blood.
He never bedded down. I know he wasn't hurt that bad because then he jumped
a fence to go into this cattle field. And once his tracks went
in with the cattle tracks, there was like. It was like, okay, this is over.
So I lost that. But my good friend Melissa Bachman, she
hunts moose all the time. I called her, and I'm like,

(40:23):
I know you're on a hunt, but I just shot this moose. And I. Like,
I don't know what I did wrong. And she said, well, their ribs are so
huge, and their ribs go like, three quarters away back from their
body. And their vitals are so high, you know, like. Or their
bodies are so high, you actually have to actually aim lower
to get to their vitals between their ribs. And what they think is that I

(40:45):
hit a rib and my arrow deflected and went like this. Because if my arrow
was sticking straight out the whole time, it would have broke off completely. I
think that it just deflected, but it went in at least
1012 inches. So that's where the blood was up to the
air. But, yeah, I came home with no moose,
and they still gave me some meat to bring home. So that was

(41:07):
nice of them because it was really my goal anyways, just have moose meat.
But, yeah, my season did not start off great.
And then while I was in Saskatchewan, I told my husband, I'm like, you better
shoot that buck in the backyard. Because when I always say backyard, we have 200
acres here beside of our house. House. And in West Virginia, we don't have good
genetics. So we bought this property in 2018. We haven't shot anything off of it

(41:29):
yet. We're just, like, managing and letting them grow. He shot
this dandy buck drop time like it was in the
140s. And that's really good for West Virginia.
And so I was super pumped for
him to do that. Then we went to Kansas, and I got
old Bruiser out there in Kansas. This. Then we went

(41:52):
to Ohio, and we had a film guy with us because we're filming for
Buckmasters right now, and there was a buck that
I've been chasing. His name's Pretty Boy, and I
named him. Last year, I asked all the neighbors, can you please let Pretty Boy
go? Like, we're gonna let him. We're gonna give him another year. And they all
agreed, like, everybody was on the same page. We have group text with all the

(42:12):
landowners. Like, everybody likes to manage big bucks out there,
and nobody shot him last year. This year, I said, hey, can you guys let
Pretty Boy go just one more year? Absolutely not. Everybody
wanted this buck. I'm like, so Josh
and I had seen it the first day we were out there. Like, I had.
I. He came into me, but he was facing. I couldn't get a shot. And

(42:33):
then Josh couldn't get a shot on him. So we
all come out for lunch, and all the neighbors come and hang out, like, in
camp with us. And. And the neighbor had him daylighted
in his food plot. And I looked at Josh, and I was like, all
hands on deck. I was like, that buck walks in front of me, shoot him.
So he did. He shot my target buck. And so he's

(42:55):
had a stellar year. And so that was
his second buck. Or this is the buck and buck this year. So he got
one in West Virginia, got one in Ohio. I got one in Kansas, and he
didn't. So he still went ahead of me. Not that they were competitive
like that, but I very blessed to have a
lot of meat in the freezer. So, you know, I mean, you're not going to

(43:18):
kill something on every hunt or just be called killing instead of hunting. So
it's. It's just about the camaraderie. Like, in Kansas, we hunt
with some really good friends, and they have little kids, and it's just so fun
going out there. And, you know, it's just every year, like, what are we going
to do? What are we going to plan? Where are we going to go? And.
And. And. And we love to have people here, too. We. We're avid bear

(43:38):
hunters. We raise bear hounds. We have about
14 dogs now. I made him get rid. We had, like, 24. I
was like, enough. The bear dolly
cord. We're over the limit, so I think we're down to 14
now. But my husband's been running hounds since he could
walk, and so that's. It's just a West Virginia thing.

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Everybody has a dog box on the back of their truck. So
it's just a huge group cam, camaraderie kind of
sport. You can have infants to elders, and everybody plays
a role. And so it's really all about the hounds. You know,
those are like our kids. They went, oh, take me hunting, take me hunting, take
me hunting. And so we. We run the bear. They run up a tree.

(44:22):
We let the kids or the elders shoot first timers. You know,
Josh and I, we don't consider ourselves bear hunters. We're houndsmen.
So that's another fun thing we do. So that's all. We
have a youth season in September, and then a week in October, and then
most of all, December, we bear hunt. So that's fun. And that's pretty
common with houndsmen, that they enjoy the hunt. And whether

(44:45):
it's a bear dog, a lion dog, or bird dogs,
like most dog handlers, want to watch their dogs work and
see them grow and learn, and they want to see their dogs have success.
So that's pretty cool. When I wanted to back up to your
moose hunt, when you are face to face squared off with a bull moose. Moose.
What's going through your head?

(45:07):
The size of them are ginormous. Like, I
never. I've seen a moose once before,
and I was. I was whitetail hunting up in
Alberta, and I was coming out of the woods on a four
wheeler when my guide had picked me up, and it was dark, and all I
could see was legs in the spot in the. In the headlights.

(45:29):
And I said, oh, my. My gosh, that's the biggest
deer I've ever seen in my life. And he goes, that's a moose. And it
was a baby moose, and it was huge.
And, like, just like we had set up on these
moose, and we were on the edge of the field. Like, this was the
night before. I hadn't really technically started hunting. I just got off the plane. He's

(45:50):
like, you got your camo ready? He's like, let's go. And I'm like, all right.
And so I'm putting it on in the truck. And we went for just like
a mini hunt the night before. And we were on the edge of
this field, right on the edge of the trees, and these moose, you could hear
them coming through the timber at you. And that was
scary because they're so huge and they.
They're slow, but they're fast, if that makes sense. Like, they could,

(46:14):
like, run you over in, like, no time at all. But also,
like, I feel like they're a very slow moving animal, but
they're right. They kind of lumber around, but their legs are
so long that they can cover ground. Yeah, for sure. And
so we heard two behind us, and
I think, me, I don't know if they caught our scent or maybe I. I,

(46:36):
like, freaked out and ran behind the guide. I'm like, oh, my gosh, are they
gonna run us over? Because you could hear him coming, like, charging through the trees.
And so that. That was a little bit scary for me.
But just running up on him and being 17 yards at
full draw, I. I really didn't have any fear at that time. I was
just like, like, turn, turn, turn so I can shoot. You know, I wanted

(46:58):
a full broadside shot, and I took my time. And like
I said, if I had to do it all over again, I do the exact
same thing, but maybe just aim a little lower next time. I don't
know. But I hope I do get another chance. That would be
awesome. But, yeah, it was, it was totally different
than. Than any other animal I've shot, just

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because, like, you know, their vitals are so much higher.
It's just. It's just incredible. I always said if I go to
Africa, like, I would want to go just to see the terrain, because Africa
is so beautiful. But I can imagine the animals being so different there
as well. Just so much larger
incapacity to what you're used to as a whitetail,

(47:40):
you know, so it was cool. It was cool. It was a little
different, but, you know, it would have been
awesome if I would have got it for sure. An adventure of a lifetime that
only would have been topped if you had actually gotten to tag the
moose. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
So you mentioned earlier when we were talking about the DSG gear,

(48:01):
how we can have a whole system and choosing what to
pack. Do you have any suggestions for the listeners on how to
pack for like, like this week? When I went to Kansas, I wasn't
sure it was going to be, I think, in the 30s
to 60s. So I brought like, like various
gear and I ended up only needing not even base layers, just my. My

(48:24):
brush pants and a long sleeve and the vest, you know. Do you have
suggestions for what we would carry or pack if we're
traveling? Yeah, always. We have a wool
base layer. It's very moisture wicking. It's very thin. But wool is
very warm to begin with. So if it's like 30 or
below, I would wear my. My wool base layer. And then we have another base

(48:46):
layer. They're. They're black and green and they go over top. They're a little bit
softer, but they. They're still. They're not like fleecy,
bulky. They're thinner. So I would wear those two base
layers because you can always Shed later when it gets up to
60. A lot of girls will wear base layers
under their Bexley. The Bexley is the very lightest set that we

(49:08):
have, and it's great for like
Florida, Georgia, Texas, anywhere that it's like 70,
70 degree or warmer. The Bexley is perfect for
that. Even like our field pants with our thinner shirts,
they have like, venting on the side. If it's really, really warm out and you're
just like, oh, I need something light and airy, we have several options for

(49:31):
that. But if it is colder, wearing your base layer
under that light and airy is very comfortable. I'll do spot and stock
in something like that all the time because it's just moisture
wicking, but it's still. You're still covered in camo, so you
feel concealed, but you can move very easy because it's
just a lighter set. Then when it's

(49:53):
colder, then I would wear the Brianna over that or the Ella or the
Ava or something heavier that I can shed off layer
later. But when I shed that off, I still have camo
underneath. And if I need to shed a base layer, shed a base layer, you
know, but that's, that's what I do is like the
wool base layers against my skin because they're very moisture wicking. And then the other

(50:15):
base layer if I need it, then the lightest set that we have
and then a heavier set over that. So when it gets up to
60 and you're like, then you just shed the heavy and you still
have camo underneath. Yep, absolutely. Great
tips. Great tips. I have one other question for you. I will
try not to keep you too much longer, but you had mentioned something

(50:38):
earlier that led me to believe that you've got faith.
You're. You're a Christian. And with
that, how do you feel like your beliefs
influence your view of conservation of wildlife and
fish? I feel like people have been hunting
since the beginning of time. I mean, God put these animals on this

(51:00):
earth for us. I think that over time, with
even just in the last hundred years, how things have changed and people
are like, in the city and they have iPhones and they have this and they're
going to the store. The convenience of things has really
changed your mindset. So people, when they're like, oh, you
shot that poor little animal. Well, you don't understand. If we're not

(51:23):
shooting these poor little animals, then these animals are going to take over and
they're going to be diseased and they're gonna. There's gonna be too many of them.
And you're gonna be hitting a deer five times a year instead of once every
five years on the road. You know, like, it. We're managing
these animals in the way that God intended us to.
And, you know, my mom passed away from cancer last year,

(51:45):
and she said, and my dad, I told you, is an avid hunter, but
she never really liked wild game. And she said
to me, you know, and I would always try to
trick her. Like, when she would come to my house, she'd be like, is this
deer meat or beef? Like, she would get so mad if I would try to
trick her, because I'm like, you're not going to be able to tell it's in

(52:06):
lasagna. You are not going to know it's deer. Me meat. And she said, you
know, I. I really have to commend you for eating healthier,
organic food all the time. And, you know, like. Like when Josh
and I, we go out and kill a turkey, it doesn't even make the freezer.
It is right on the grill, and we're making poppers and. Or I'm slow.
You know, I've got it on the grill just low and slow and just

(52:27):
sharing it with everybody and. And bear meat, we can. Bare meat.
It's just like. It's just like beef melts in your mouth, you know, like, it's
just for me alone. Like, when I go to the store
and I look at the stuff on the shelf, I'm like. Like, I don't know
what's in that, and I don't know what they put in it, and I don't
know what I'm putting in my body. But as. As. Like, I'm just

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like, God wanted us to live so simply, and
now things are just so advanced and complicated,
but people look at us like we're doing it in the wrong, and I'm
like, no, you're doing it in the. Like, you. You know,
it's just hard to look at in that way. Like. Like, yeah, it's
convenient for you to go to the store and get whatever you need. But for

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me, when I'm even in a tree stand,
I mean, my soul just purifies itself.
Like, I. Like, my mind goes clear, and
I can breathe, and I just have this, like, silence and this
peace come over me. And I'm. I'm like,
God, thank you for this day. Thank you for this moment. Thank you for

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the air that I'm breathing right now. Thank you for these hills and these trees
and just everything and all this terrain, like, and you really focus on,
like, this is what God created, and he created this
for us, you know, and so, like, people don't even get out there and enjoy
it. They're, like, sitting on their couch watching a movie when you could be taking
a walk in the woods or, you know, it just, I guess it's all in

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how you're raised and, and the way you live and your mindset and, like, everybody's
different. And I'm not saying that what somebody else does is wrong compared to what
I do. This is what I love. I mean, it just, just, it
makes me feel closer to God. It makes me feel complete.
It, it, it's like a cleansing situation for
me when I'm, like, out fly fishing or I'm out sitting in a tree. It's

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just, I, it's, you know, just, I'm like, why doesn't
everybody do this? You know, it's just, I don't know.
But I do, I, I, I do like to give my
testimony on it and being a hunter, you know, and that's why I have social
media. It's because, you know, and I do show a lot of things that
I make and the recipes sometimes that I do, and people are like, oh, how'd

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you do that? What'd you put in that? And get, I get a lot of
questions and girls are always asking, what kind of boots do you wear and what
kind of bow do you use and what kind of broadheads are you using? And
so I like to be a mentor
in that way, too, but also just
as a Christian being living a Christian life and being

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also a good influence in that way as well. Well, so I
always say that with my sponsorships because I run the sponsorships for
dsg. I like to find a good Christian girl because I don't have
to worry about profanity or them or alcohol abuse
or like, you know, being doing anything sexual or taking sexual
pictures. And you find a lot of that on social media. And my team is

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just so well put together and they're so educational. Like, I have
girls that have, like, their own cooking shows and have their own
wild game cookbooks, and I have girls that do trapping, and I have
avid girls that, like, teach how to use
handguns. And, and I try to get girls that know a little bit
about all different things. So you're. When people come to our

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page, they're learning about different things. Not just bow hunting or
not just gun hunting or not just deer hunting, but, you know, some girls go
to Africa and Turkey and, and bear and Deer and moose and,
you know, things. There's girls that hunt things that I've never even hunted before.
So it. I, I like that we can all educate each other
on different aspects of the outdoor life. Yeah.

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And on the website, there's a blog where the girls are sharing
articles and stuff like that. So if somebody wanted to learn more, they could find
information over there. Yeah. Like, we, we
got a new website and the girl that made. It's like, you're never going to
believe this, but, like, our blogs are blowing up. I'm like, really,
Like, I never thought anybody clicked on that stuff. She' the what they click on

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the most. So we really started pushing blogs lately. A
lot of the girls on the team are writing blogs. And we have
another. Another girl. Her name is Sam, and she writes a ton of blogs
for us. And she's kind of like our, our,
like our Facebook gal who does all the, like, the sponsored
ads and things like that behind the scenes. And man, she's great.

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She's so great at writing blogs and, and it's
really popular. And girls, they're asking questions and they want to know and they're
learning, and that's what we're here for. We're not just
here to sell gear. We want to promote the outdoors and why we
do it and educate as well. So, yeah, it's been really great with. The
blogs, for sure. I think that's wonderful. And we

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could talk to you for hours and ask you all kinds of questions. Like you
mentioned, like what broadheads are using, what shafts did you use? What's your bow setup
like? All this stuff. Stuff. And so we don't have quite that much time
to be talking about all of that stuff. But for the listeners, I
will include links in the show notes where you can find DSG
and Rachelle. Where can we find you at?

(57:36):
Rachelle Hedrick. R A C H E L L E H
E D R I C K yeah, my name got real
creative with that one. Well, you're as creative as I am because
I'm like Mia Einstein on everything. They're like, what's your handle? I'm like Mia
Anstein. What about over here? Mia Anstein. And
what's Mac Outdoors? It's Mia Anstein and company.

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There you go. So, yeah, sometimes that's just the
way that it goes. And I'm really happy that you shared your
connection to hunting and your faith. And it's something I had to
ask you. What went through your mind when you were face to face with a
bull moose? Because I once was 10ft away from a bull elk that
was. Well, I've been face to face several times, but I had time with

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my bow and I' like trying to hide behind my bow and pretend I'm
invisible, but all I could do is say the Lord's Prayer. And I was like,
well, if he moves this way, I can shoot this way. If he moves that
way. And then I'd say the Lord's,
if I die right now, what a way to go. I know,
right? So.

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But I want to thank you for coming on the show and I hope I
get to see you somewhere along the way. I'm surprised that I haven't met you
already since, you know, I know lot of your. Your pro staff or
whatever you. You call them, your ladies. I know several of them.
And so hopefully I'll bump into you. I'm headed to Shot show
in January. I'll be at SCI it also in

(59:02):
January. So maybe I can meet you at one of those or one of the
other shows. Yeah, my girlfriend asked me to go to Shot and
I told my husband I want to go to sci. So we may be at
one or the other, maybe both. Who knows? It's tough. This will. Hopefully this will
be the last year. I'm praying that it's not going to be overlapped again
because since Shot show is like my work and I get

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paid, I make money at that. But sci, I'm a. I'm a
volunteer and I'm on the board of directors and all this stuff, I'm like,
which. How do I split the time? We used
to go to sci. It was like in Vegas and then Reno. Vegas, Reno. We
used to go all the time. And it's probably been maybe eight years since
we've been. And I told him, I said, it's in Nashville. Let's just drive down

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and go. Like, I just like the taxidermy alone is worth
going to that show. It's just incredible. I love it so much.
Absolutely. Well, if you end up going to one, hopefully we can meet up
and say hello in person. Thank you
for joining me on the show. Yeah, I appreciate you having me. That was fun.