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Dr. Mowlds, the viral plastic surgeon behind Real Housewives star Tamra Judge’s transformation, joins Making Maverick Moves to reveal what really happened, the truth about plastic surgery, and how to age gracefully—without losing yourself. Whether you're considering cosmetic work or just curious about how to look your best as you age, this episode is full of eye-opening insights, powerful advice, and real talk about confidence, self-image, and the future of aesthetics.
Timestamps:
00:00 – Intro: Meet Dr. Mowlds, the man behind Tamra Judge’s transformation
01:28 – What is a blue peel and brow lift? (Explaining the viral procedure)
03:48 – Why the healing looks worse than it feels
06:27 – Aging in the social media era: Skincare vs surgery
07:52 – Is preventative Botox really worth it?
11:08 – The danger of tying surgery to happiness
16:54 – The truth about Brazilian Butt Lifts (BBL risks explained)
18:31 – Facelifts & gravity: What to expect long-term
22:07 – What to do in your 20s, 30s, and 40s to delay aging
23:16 – “I might not be your person”: Why Dr. Mowlds turns some patients away
26:26 – Longevity = Mobility + Strength (More than just looks)
28:28 – Plastic surgery is more than vanity: Life-saving & restorative care
30:04 – Kris Jenner’s results? Genetics + a great surgeon
31:05 – Final message: “Confidence starts within. I can’t do that for you.”
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Episode Transcript
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Welcometo Making Maverick Moves, the podcast
where bold thinking fuelsbrave leadership.
I'm Gina Osborne and todaywe're talking about transformation,
not just the kind you see in the mirror,but the kind that starts from within.
My guest is doctor Dawnmolds, the Orange County plastic surgeon
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whose viral work with Real Housewivesstar Tamra Judge
sparked a fierce online debate
about beauty, aging and choice.
We'll talk aboutwhy people make bold changes
to their appearance,the risks and rewards of plastic surgery,
and how owning your image can bethe ultimate maverick move.
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My name is Gina L Osborneand I'm an Army veteran.
I spent six years during the end of theCold War as a counterintelligence agent.
I was appointed as an FBI agent,and during my 22 year career,
worked everythingfrom Asian organized crime to terrorism.
I became the assistant special agentin charge of cyber and computer forensics.
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And then I came out of retirementand spent two years
as the safety and security officerat la metro.
Now I'm here to helpyou make your maverick move.
Welcome to the show, Doctor Mold.Thank you.
Thanks for having me.
Well, the first questionI want to ask you,
because this is kind of the viral momentwhen orange.
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Wait, real Housewives of Orange County.
Tamra judge had a blue pill and awhat did she have?
Brow lift.
Lift? Yes.
A little CO2 sprinkled in there. Right.
And everybody went nuts on social media
because they could not understandwhy she would do something like that.
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So I wanted to bring you hereso you can kind of debunk the myths
of what exactly happened and tell us,
how we can look our absolute best.
Yeah.
So when it comes to skin care, you know,at the age of 30, we start losing
and stop producing collagen,and we lose about 1% per year.
And I learned my skincare stufffrom Doctor Obagi,
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who invented the blue pill,which is nothing more than a tri class
citric acid or TCA acid peel
that's combined with blue dyeso that we can see the depth
of the penetration of the acid,which improves the safety.
So you want to get down to a certaindepth to get improvement,
but not too muchthat you create a problem.
On top of that,you do CO2 laser to stimulate the collagen
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so you get maximalbenefit of what you're doing.
The problem is it hurts.
So typically for that procedure,
I'll put people to sleepor do twilight sedation to help them.
Now it produces a ton of inflammation.
And that's what everyone saw was the rapidswelling
compounded by the brow lift swelling.
So the
the combined effect of both of those
was pretty dramaticand made for a viral moment.
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It really did.
And what shocked me was the commentswere the comments that people were mating,
making and how vicious people were
because they were looking at itas if it was such a painful procedure.
Why would she put herselfthrough something like that?
Interestingly, the peel and laser itselfafterwards are not painful.
The swelling is painless.
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It's just a thing that takes a weekor so to go away.
The brow lift.
You have 24 hours of of a headache,but after that fairly pain free.
But it is dramatic.
But the combined effectreally gives a natural
improvement,long lasting rejuvenation of the skin.
It gets rid of fine lines and wrinkles,pigmentation and stimulates collagen.
That sort of a maximum levelto jumpstart the skin.
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Again, return that collagen productionand create, you know, smooth.
Nice result.
So I've had CO2 peels beforeand back in the day
I had TCA peelsand those were really, really crazy.
So is it safe to say that it looksa lot worse than it feels?
I've never had it done, but
that's the that's the, the, reportsI get.
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Right? Right.
Because essentiallyall of the pigmentation
rises up to your skin,and then it all peels off. And.
And how long does it take in orderto get through that procedure?
You're healed in about ten days.
So I try to target it for it'sthe seven day mark.
You're about 80% healed okay.
So from there, there's a few spotsthat need to still peel off your pink
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for about two weeks.
You can resume your skin regimenabout a week later.
And then at that point,we want to still stimulate
the collagen growth to keep the resultgetting better and better.
So did you talk to her about howthis whole thing went so viral and, and,
a littlebit because it was very unplanned.
I saw the for her post,a photo of everything
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all wrapped up,and I thought, okay, you're nice and blue.
Here we go.
But yeah, I kind of sawa lot of mean comments, and I felt bad.
I called to check in and said,are you okay?
I mean, I'm feeling bad.
Are you feeling okay?
And she said, yeah, well, it'spart of the part of the territory which
kind of gave me a peekbehind the curtain of what
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the reality stars have to deal with.
Right, right. What? Yeah.It can't be easy.
And I think it took a lot of courageto be able to share that with people.
But again, you know, who are the peoplewho appreciate the comment
or that the posts probably aren'tthe ones who are making the comments,
I would imagine.
Hard to say, but, yeah.
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You know, peeling back the, the,the curtain a little bit on healing
and the and the process of plastic surgeryand it's not always talked about,
you know, we put our patients at whenif they ask to their pre-operative photos
and then they're after photossix months a year down the road.
So you really don't see the,
the time period in between, which isan important part of educating patients
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that are lookingto make a change in their life
or do something differentwith their appearance.
They should know all the stepsand be able to make an informed decision
about what's right for them or orwhat's not sure.
So in light of everything that's going on,you know, all of the social media posts,
everyone wants to look their bestand people are actually
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they're aging and and you know,the 70s are the new 50s, right?
So people are living longer.
So what what has it been likein your industry with all of these people
who absolutely want to look their bestall the time?
You know, it's it's certainly drivenour business more and more every year.
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I think there's a lot of misinformationthat gets passed around, unfortunately.
And that's a big topic of conversationin our society,
is how to properly educate patientson what's right, what's not.
Because oftentimes we have patients thatcome in and they sort of self-diagnose.
They say, I want this,I know I need this x, y, and Z.
And you say, well, let's back this upand kind of figure out what works for you.
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And the answer may be nothing.
It may be that,you know kind of what you're looking for.
There isn't a true solution
even though you might have seen somethinglike it on Instagram or social media.
So I think it's really importantto pick providers that you trust
that you can go inand have an honest conversation
with and figure outwhat's what's the right thing for you.
Are you seeing younger and younger peoplecoming in for facelifts
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and brow liftsand all of the other things?
The demographic for the facial procedureshas shifted to a younger, more.
Call it preventative is the wordthat thrown out there.
I want to do a preventative X, Y or Z.
Well, preventative surgeryunfortunately, is probably
it tips the balance of risk and benefitfor a lot of providers.
But things that you can dopreventatively is
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stimulatethe collagen in your skin, wear sunscreen.
You know, some people will start Botoxat a younger age
or the neurotoxinsto help with wrinkle formation.
Those kind of thingsI think are appropriate for younger folks.
Sure. And Botoxhas been around for a while.
Are you saying that the people who startedearlier are needing less work done?
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Again, hard to say.
I think it really comes into thatwhere I see,
when people come in in their 50s, 60sand want facial rejuvenating procedures,
the folks that have paid attentionto their skin care
really have a good result
because they have the collagen,they have the elastin, they have the
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the tension, thethat they're in their skin to withstand
the surgical forcesand create a long lasting result.
And those peopleuniformly get a better outcome.
So those people and 50 or 60
how many facelifts I meanand I know I'd say how many do they need.
And we all knowthat we don't need any of this stuff.
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But are you one and donewhen you go in, in your 50s or 60s,
or is there an expectationthat if you want to maintain that look,
you're going to have to have another onedown the line?
Yeah.
You know, there's a natural relaxationand aging to the skin that happens
no matter what.And it has a lot to do with
skin structure,the way your bones age and rotate.
As we get older.
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I say it like this.
The facelift will give you some yearsback, and then you'll continue to aging.
Whether you get to a point
where those signs of aging botheryou again, then that's great.
Then come back and we can talk aboutif that's the right thing for you.
But it may be that this is just
what you needed.
And as long as you maintaina healthy weight, healthy lifestyle, skin
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care, you can get a faceliftresult the last super long time.
And then if you're in your 30sor 40s coming in, I mean,
is that something if you get it younger,is there a benefit to that?
You know, you talked about the prevention.
What what do youwhat are your thoughts on that?
I don't know, I, I go back and forth.
It's sort of it depends.
Now there's some conditions of the neckthat are genetic.
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And for those people a younger treatment
strategy is probably warranted. Yes.
And the way the muscle attachesin your neck gives kind of a fuller
appearance.
And in photos as we enter into our 40s.
And that those folks do benefit from it.
But small littleyou know loose skin situations
probably going through a big surgeryto create improvement there.
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It's something to talk about. Definitely.
And what are your, your consultations like?
I know that you don't chargefor your consultations
and you're in, Fashion Island in Newport Beach.
So how do those go,like whether you're young or you're old,
I mean, talk a little bitabout what the misconceptions are
and what your advice to people arebefore they even consider doing something.
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You know, my adviceI always say I'm like the worst salesman.
When people come in, I'm like, well,what do you what do you not like?
You know,you tell me. I'm not going to tell you.
Because every nowand then I get someone, well, what do you
what do you think's wrong with me?And what can you do about it?
I'm like nothing.
Everybody's perfect the way they are.
But I would say the big thing to dois separate
what you objectively would liketo have change from your happiness.
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If you think that if you're comingto think that I need to do this surgery
or I need to do X, y and z,and then I think maybe I'll be happier.
Got to be careful there,
because the reality is that'sprobably not going to make you happier.
And so I really try to get into thatduring the consultation is what
what brought you here?What really brought you here?
Was it the way a bathing suit fit?
Was it a comment someone made?
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Is it justsomething you've always thought about?
Is it functional?
You know,those types of things are very reasonable.
But if it's. I don't know what it is.I'm just unhappy.
I want to be happier. Well, then
I'm actually
like, you make it worse.
That's important to
to figure out. Yeah.
And so what do you think aboutwhen people are telling you their story.
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I mean are you do you have to be convincedto actually do the surgery.
I mean what whatwhere's the line that you draw that maybe
this personmight be addicted to plastic surgery,
or maybe they're doing itfor all the wrong reasons.
Yeah, I think it's, you know,we both have to agree on
what we're trying to address.
You know, if it's very, you know,just from an objective standpoint,
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if it's is it, you know, for instance,is it heavy eyelid skin?
I see it, you see it, it bothers you.
Taking it awaywould definitely look better.
And that's what you want. And we match up.
We have a match and I have somethingthat I can provide service
I can provide to you
that's going to correctwhat we both objectively see is the issue.
The problem comes inwhen I don't totally understand,
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and I don't feel like the patientunderstands what I'm saying.
And I don't feel like there's a correctwhat we call,
you know, informed consent procedure.
Like I'm not I haven't conveyedthe information appropriately.
And I don't think they completelyunderstand what we're doing
or how we're going to do itand how it might benefit them
or what the risks might be.Nothing's perfect.
And so that's when I kind of
take a step back and it's for the it'snot it's for everybody's benefit.
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Sure. No.
And I think that's wise I mean and that'sthat's definitely ethical because
I don't think everyone who walks intoyour office needs to have the procedure.
If they're going in thereunder the wrong reasons.
And some of it isjust giving more information.
And that's why I don't charge for consent.
I think everyone'sentitled to information.
And if I can help in any waythat sometimes that's helpful too.
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Yeah. And so you talked a little bitabout misconceptions.
What are the biggest misconceptionsabout plastic surgery?
It's a good question.
I don't
know that it makes you,I guess that it makes you look unnatural.
I think that's one thingthat people come in and they say,
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well I want this,but I don't want to look like x, y and z.
So what makes you think thatthat might be a potential outcome.
So I think that you don't necessarilyneed to think along those lines.
Now there is some plastic surgerythat can make you look unnatural.
And for some people that is thatthat is their goal.
But definitely by and large
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plasticsurgery does not make you look unnatural.
If it's done correctlyor if it's done correctly.
And like I said if you correctly identifythe problem and you correctly
create a treatment solution
to surgery to fix that,it should be corrective and restorative.
Right. Right.
So what are the biggest risks going in.
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Biggest risksare, mismanaged expectations.
We kind of talked on thaton that health issues.
So we look really closely atwhat are your health issues.
Do you have high blood pressure diabetesheart disease.
Do you need.
Can you tolerate the surgery.
Can you tolerate the recovery period.
Do you smoke.
Smoking is very bad for healing.
And especially in the plastic surgerysense of surgery.
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So a lot of people say well I smoked andI had my appendix removed and I was fine.
Different. Wow.
So we really and all has to gointo the blood supply of how things heal.
So we really want to make sureyou heal well.
So really taking stock of
what aboutyou would make you a good candidate
for the surgery to make it go well.
And how.
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Because I meanvanity is probably driving a lot of this.
So how often are people really happywith what you've done.
And we don't have to say what you've doneoverall what plastic surgeons do
and how many people aren't happybecause you know,
you hear all about being, you know,someone being botched or what have you.
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And I think that inand of itself is is a risk.
If you go to someone
who may not have all the certificationsnecessary to do the procedure.
But, I mean, are people generally happywith the results or, how does that work?
I think so, and it goes backto managing the expectations, right?
Everybody'sand that's where social media can be to
the detriment is you see the preand the post and you want the post.
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But you may have not been like the pre.
So achieving the post picture inand just stamping that on
everybody is a little unfair.
So really it's my job to manage
those expectationsand and that manages the happiness.
Postoperatively for the most part.
Now things don't always heal well or gowell and that's just part of doing
surgery.
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So we all see patientswho had surgery from another surgeon
and the patientwould like things to be different.
Not necessarily that surgeons faultalthough sometimes there are some things
that like you saidwhere they're not certified properly.
But the for the most partyou're trying to get the most complex
thing on earth to heal exactly, perfectlyafter you do elective surgery on it.
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Not always going to go perfectlyfor one reason or another.
And so those are where they step in
as their doctor and say, you know I'myour doctor first and I can help you.
Sometimes that that faith is lostand people go to other surgeons for help.
And that's where we all existas a community to get the patients
ready to be sure.
What are the riskiest procedures.
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Because I hear it like the Brazilianbutt lift.
You hear a lot about that.Yeah. A risky procedure.
So that one really came into lightbecause patients were dying.
And I think there was at one pointquoted around 1 in 3000.
And the reason is when you take fat from.
So the Brazilian Bartlet procedure.
What is it?
It's you take fatfrom somewhere else in the body
and you inject it into the butt regionto create a better shape
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or projection,just in lieu of putting implants in.
The problem is just deep to the musclein the buttock region are big veins
that go back to your heart.
And so some of that fat was inadvertently
making its way back to the lungsand heart and causing people to die.
Oh my gosh.
And so there was a big, caution statementput out by our society
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and temporary moratoriumon some of these larger procedures.
And since then there's been
a lot of safety protocolsput in place to prevent this ultrasound
guided fat transferto stay out of those danger areas.
But that's,
traditionally speaking,
technically the most dangerous procedureif done safely.
It's not.
But that's just where all that came from.
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Right.
And what about the proceduresthat have to be redone?
What would those be?
Or if the patient feelsthat they are not satisfied with those,
what do you think is the hardest thingto fix?
Hardest thing to fix are probably
minor imperfections in like a facelift.
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Because it sometimes requiresa big surgery to then address those.
And a lot of it goes back to the skinquality before you even did the surgery.
Breast surgeries.
You know you're that's a sort ofanti-gravity procedure.
So everything all day long.
Gravity's acting against you.
So depending on their skin qualityyou know the way the implants and,
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and everythingsettle really depends on that.
And so that's a common procedurethat it's redone eventually.
Not always right awaybut eventually if the gravity always wins.
So how did you get into this?
Did you always want to bea plastic surgeon or what?
How did you get into this role?
You know, honestly,I wanted to be a professional golfer.
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Oh, and when that wasn't lookinglike it was going to happen,
I knew I liked math and scienceand I might want to be a doctor.
So I went to a college wherethey allowed me to play golf and pre-med.
Which college was that? Brown. Okay.
So I went there and then, my grandfather,who was an attorney in San Francisco,
said, well, I do some work with a groupthat supports,
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like a philanthropic hospital in Guatemalaand a team of surgeons
from Stanford and Kaiser and San Franciscogo every year.
Would you like to go? I said, well, yeah.
So long story short,I went down there three times
and always looked in the cornerand saw the plastic surgeons doing these
really creative, interesting procedures,and that sort of drew me to it.
Went to medical school, powderout of some plastic surgeons,
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did a bunch of research.
And here we are and here you are.
And you're marriedto a plastic surgeon. I am.
How does that work?
It's,
It works well.
Yeah.
It, it's hard to leavework at the office,
and you go homeand you talk about your cases,
which is which is helpfulin each other's input. And.
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But we definitely very much take workhome, and it exists 24 hours a day. Oh.
Between us.
Oh, that you do that. It's it's been fun.
That's great.
And you're partnering with Doctor Amy,who is just so esteemed here
in Orange County and probably knownthroughout the world for.
Yeah. So how did that come about?
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You know, I was looking to expandmy practice and looking for more space.
And, honestly,
we play golf at the same golf club,and our lockers are next to each other.
And one day he said, hey, I built thisbig office, and I have a lot of space.
You want to you want to come join me?
I said, yeah, sure.It was as simple as that.
Yeah. That's terrific.
That's terrific. He's such a great guy.
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Yeah.
So what do you see down the line?
How do you see your profession evolving?
And, just based on where the world is going?
You know, I think we'll alwaystry to refine our surgery techniques
and what we're how we're addressingcertain problems.
That's the topic of a lot of meetings.
I think there's
going to be a lot of science and energyput into the non-surgical side
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of how to heal people better,how to rejuvenate skin, and a lot of the
manifestations that that we see
long time how to manage people's weight,how to manage all these things,
I think is going to be the next frontierof this special team and where it's
going to crossover with dermatology,those types of things. But
I think that's definitely going to be big.
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I see you hear about exosomes and the PRPand the stem cells and all.
That's a huge frontier.That's just now beginning.
Do you think you'll be working with that?
I'd like to, yeah.
I'd still maintain the element,as you see, with the blue
peel and skin care,because I believe that people
should be given non-surgicalas well as surgical options.
So. Yeah, definitely.
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So if you're a young personand you want to do everything that you can
to put any sort of surgeries offas long as you possibly can.
Assuming you, you know, are interestedand looking your best.
What should someone be doing right now
in your 20s.
Wear sunscreen.
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Honestly I mean thethe sun damage effects are cumulative.
And you don't know how many people I seein their 50s and 60s.
And they say, what are thesebrown and white spots that happen?
I said unfortunately that's probablyfrom when you were burned 30 years ago.
So where are your sunscreen.
Reapply it when you get towhen you get to your 30s
you'll start looking athow can we stimulate the skin retinols
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tretinoin ones, those types of things
that really stimulatethe collagen production.
The elastin sunscreen and maintainingall good oil control.
Think about lasers in your mid 30s
that stimulate the collegeand take you to that next level.
Really keep things improving long term.
And then you know 40s, 50s look at the,
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the parts of your facethat you may want to change. The.
Is it the eyelid skin. Is itmake you look tired.
Is it jawing.
Is it small little things that can becorrected with fillers or Botox.
How do you
feel when people come in and they sayI want these great big giant lips.
Do you try and talk them out of itor do you try to accommodate them.
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I just say I might not be your person.Yeah.
And so
yeah and that'swhere social media can help within
our practice is you sort of over timeyou put out what you like to get back.
So people then see your esthetic.
You see what you doand the absence of what they may want.
So they may go to someone else,which is totally fine.
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Everyone has their own thingthat they like doing and
there's a, there's someone for everybody.
Yeah.And I just say I might not be your person.
I just can't envision that.
And here some people that do do that.
Yeah. Yeah.
Just I just wonderwhat can we do with this generation
that is so obsessedwith the way they look?
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And I'm sure 20 years from now,because you're still young,
you're going to be still working,I'm sure, in 20 years.
I mean, what do you see in the futurewith this particular generation?
What could we be telling these people?
You know that you'reokay the way that you are.
I think the message,
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it's got to comefrom the sources that they idolize.
You knowthat everyone looks up to someone.
I looked up to Freddy Couples, the golfer.
You're listening and you know,let me know if you want to play some golf.
You know, that was my idoland he was so cool and calm and collected
and well dressed.
And I thought, well,that's who I want to be.
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And so I think it really comes fromthe people they idolize.
And they're that
and whatever that may be is are theyare they influencers or are they
celebrities and
movie stars? Actresses? Actors?
Yeah, no, but it seemsthose people are all leaning towards
the plastic surgery side and, yeah.
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And and I think the, you know,like you said, to be able to prevent it
before you get to the point where you'renot happy with the way that you look,
because I know, you know, when I was atthe, an event at the Council
of Aging and, the president of the,this council was talking about
how she, just had a conversation with,
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100 and a woman who was 109 years old.
So we're going to be living a lot longer.
So, you know what?
What does that look like?
And what does that look likein your profession?
When people it's going to be normalfor people that live into their hundreds.
Well, I think that's an importantword is living.
We want to make sure we're livingand not just existing.
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Right. I think that's what peopleare starting to be focused.
They're starting to focus on, like,how can I be my best?
And I like hearing thatwhen someone comes in
and says, I'm just looking for advice onhow to be my best,
and that's why I really steer peopledown the non-surgical stuff first.
How can you be your best skinwise or minimize wrinkles?
Do some lasers because surgery.
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I'm not going to change who you are.
And if you're
and if you want to be a different person,that's not going to make you happy.
But how can I be your best?
Well, we need to start down this journeytogether at A and get to be.
So the sooner we start down
that journey with you, understandhow your aging makes it easier.
Sure.
But definitely I think start start smallinstead of people come in
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and they say, I wantI saw this person, I want a facelift.
I'm 32.
Well it'snot going to help you from aging.
You're going to help you live longer.
And I think it's justkind of a mind shift.
My mom is 86.
When she was 85 her doctor told herthat she had to use a cane.
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And I don't want to sayexactly what she said
because I don't want to use profanity.
But she said she's not using an fING cane, right? Yes.
So I said, thenyou have to go to Silver Sneakers.
And she said, well,I'm not going to silver sneakers.
There's too many germs there.
So I connected her with a private trainer,and she's been at 86.
She's working out three, three daysa week, with a personal trainer
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lifting weights.
And she started with stick legs,and now she's got muscles on her legs.
So how important?
You know, we always hear about eatright and exercise.
But, you know, when you look at longevityand the way that you look
and the way that you feel, you know,how important is the eating, right
and the exercising as far as a preventiontool, 100% and mobility.
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I think a big thing that I foundeven helpful for myself because I had back
pain, neck pain from surgeryand all these positions and stuff.
And so I when sought outsomeone that would help with
stretching and mobility, pelvic mobility,leg, hip.
And I've no more back pain and walklonger, I walk straighter, I'm stronger.
So I think that's something as we work
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in our jobs longer and we live longer,
paying attention to mobilityand strength is going to be the key to
living longer.
Not just existing longer.Exactly. Thriving.
Thriving. Longer.
Yeah.
Thriving longer.
Keeping your weight manageable.
Easier said than done.
Sure sure sure. Seven.
Well, you talked about the doctorsthat you saw in Guatemala,
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so I don't think people really realizewhat the other side, you know, versus
the cosmetic versus the amazing things
that that plastic surgeonsare doing to help people.
Do you want to shed some light on that?
Yeah, actually,
you know, the plastic surgerythat everybody knows about
is such a small partof what this specialty does.
You know, the specialty
as it developed was sort of a waste backat Basket Specialty.
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That's that specialized head to toe.
Actually the first kidney transplantwas done by a plastic surgeon.
But it
it really, you know, the the whole like
mantrais to restore form and function to people.
And if to think about it, that's okay.
It's fairly true of cosmetic surgery.
But also, you know,if car accidents, skiing accidents, cancer
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reconstruction, head, neck,leg, arm, breast,
all that stuff is very big partof plastic surgery.
We have craniofacial surgeonsthat that treat kids and deformities,
hand surgeons,a lot of them are plastic surgery.
So it's a really broad field.
And that's initiallywhat drew me to it was you can
kind of do a little bit of everything,become a master of the entire body,
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and that's pretty cool. That's exciting.
And there's so many new things coming outevery day on on how you can help people.
I think that's fantastic.
So one last question.
I would be remiss if I didn't bring upKris Jenner, who looks phenomenal.
Great, Assuming that this isn'tjust lights and Photoshop thing,
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how does someone of that age group,
totally and
completely restore their youththe way that she has,
you know, it's,I don't think it's just lights.
Okay? I think if it is,
you know,all we read is what's in the news.
I don't have any extra insight,
but the surge in the theatersurgeries are fantastic. Surgeon.
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I know him, and he is.
Does a good job, a really good job.
And, you know, having a natural resulton a skin and bone structure that's.
Well,
kind of formed.
I mean, she don'tshe doesn't have a heavy face or neck.
She has good skin care.
All those things we talked about reallylend to a, a night and a good surgeon.
All those things lend toa really nice result that looks natural.
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It moves naturally,looks good in all light.
And it's
that's the key.
Okay.
I like it worth all the time and energyshe spent.
No kidding.
Well, she's a walking billboardfor her surgeon, for sure.
Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
Well, fantastic. Yeah.
This show is called Making Maverick Moves.
My real last question is,
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how do we have to feel about ourselvesin order to make those maverick moves?
And how much of it is just like who we areand how we look?
The end of the day, being comfortablein your own skin as it exists.
Loving yourself for who you are, havinga good support structure around you,
I think is the key andand unfortunately I I'd love to,
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but I can't do that for peopleand I think that comes from within.
It's somethingwe all have to look deep and
and handle.
Yeah, those are words to live by.
Thank you, Doctor Mills,for being on the show, for having me
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I'm Gina Osborne and todaywe're talking about transformation,
not just the kind you see in the mirror,but the kind that starts from within.
My guest is doctor Dawnmolds, the Orange County plastic surgeon
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whose viral work with Real Housewivesstar Tamra Judge
sparked a fierce online debate
about beauty, aging and choice.
We'll talk aboutwhy people make bold changes
to their appearance,the risks and rewards of plastic surgery,
and how owning your image can bethe ultimate maverick move.
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My name is Gina L Osborneand I'm an Army veteran.
I spent six years during the end of theCold War as a counterintelligence agent.
I was appointed as an FBI agent,and during my 22 year career,
worked everythingfrom Asian organized crime to terrorism.
I became the assistant special agentin charge of cyber and computer forensics.
(01:09):
And then I came out of retirementand spent two years
as the safety and security officerat la metro.
Now I'm here to helpyou make your maverick move.
Welcome to the show, Doctor Mold.Thank you.
Thanks for having me.
Well, the first questionI want to ask you,
because this is kind of the viral momentwhen orange.
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Wait, real Housewives of Orange County.
Tamra judge had a blue pill and awhat did she have?
Brow lift.
Lift? Yes.
A little CO2 sprinkled in there. Right.
And everybody went nuts on social media
because they could not understandwhy she would do something like that.
(01:51):
So I wanted to bring you hereso you can kind of debunk the myths
of what exactly happened and tell us,
how we can look our absolute best.
Yeah.
So when it comes to skin care, you know,at the age of 30, we start losing
and stop producing collagen,and we lose about 1% per year.
And I learned my skincare stufffrom Doctor Obagi,
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who invented the blue pill,which is nothing more than a tri class
citric acid or TCA acid peel
that's combined with blue dyeso that we can see the depth
of the penetration of the acid,which improves the safety.
So you want to get down to a certaindepth to get improvement,
but not too muchthat you create a problem.
On top of that,you do CO2 laser to stimulate the collagen
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so you get maximalbenefit of what you're doing.
The problem is it hurts.
So typically for that procedure,
I'll put people to sleepor do twilight sedation to help them.
Now it produces a ton of inflammation.
And that's what everyone saw was the rapidswelling
compounded by the brow lift swelling.
So the
the combined effect of both of those
was pretty dramaticand made for a viral moment.
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It really did.
And what shocked me was the commentswere the comments that people were mating,
making and how vicious people were
because they were looking at itas if it was such a painful procedure.
Why would she put herselfthrough something like that?
Interestingly, the peel and laser itselfafterwards are not painful.
The swelling is painless.
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It's just a thing that takes a weekor so to go away.
The brow lift.
You have 24 hours of of a headache,but after that fairly pain free.
But it is dramatic.
But the combined effectreally gives a natural
improvement,long lasting rejuvenation of the skin.
It gets rid of fine lines and wrinkles,pigmentation and stimulates collagen.
That sort of a maximum levelto jumpstart the skin.
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Again, return that collagen productionand create, you know, smooth.
Nice result.
So I've had CO2 peels beforeand back in the day
I had TCA peelsand those were really, really crazy.
So is it safe to say that it looksa lot worse than it feels?
I've never had it done, but
that's the that's the, the, reportsI get.
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Right? Right.
Because essentiallyall of the pigmentation
rises up to your skin,and then it all peels off. And.
And how long does it take in orderto get through that procedure?
You're healed in about ten days.
So I try to target it for it'sthe seven day mark.
You're about 80% healed okay.
So from there, there's a few spotsthat need to still peel off your pink
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for about two weeks.
You can resume your skin regimenabout a week later.
And then at that point,we want to still stimulate
the collagen growth to keep the resultgetting better and better.
So did you talk to her about howthis whole thing went so viral and, and,
a littlebit because it was very unplanned.
I saw the for her post,a photo of everything
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all wrapped up,and I thought, okay, you're nice and blue.
Here we go.
But yeah, I kind of sawa lot of mean comments, and I felt bad.
I called to check in and said,are you okay?
I mean, I'm feeling bad.
Are you feeling okay?
And she said, yeah, well, it'spart of the part of the territory which
kind of gave me a peekbehind the curtain of what
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the reality stars have to deal with.
Right, right. What? Yeah.It can't be easy.
And I think it took a lot of courageto be able to share that with people.
But again, you know, who are the peoplewho appreciate the comment
or that the posts probably aren'tthe ones who are making the comments,
I would imagine.
Hard to say, but, yeah.
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You know, peeling back the, the,the curtain a little bit on healing
and the and the process of plastic surgeryand it's not always talked about,
you know, we put our patients at whenif they ask to their pre-operative photos
and then they're after photossix months a year down the road.
So you really don't see the,
the time period in between, which isan important part of educating patients
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that are lookingto make a change in their life
or do something differentwith their appearance.
They should know all the stepsand be able to make an informed decision
about what's right for them or orwhat's not sure.
So in light of everything that's going on,you know, all of the social media posts,
everyone wants to look their bestand people are actually
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they're aging and and you know,the 70s are the new 50s, right?
So people are living longer.
So what what has it been likein your industry with all of these people
who absolutely want to look their bestall the time?
You know, it's it's certainly drivenour business more and more every year.
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I think there's a lot of misinformationthat gets passed around, unfortunately.
And that's a big topic of conversationin our society,
is how to properly educate patientson what's right, what's not.
Because oftentimes we have patients thatcome in and they sort of self-diagnose.
They say, I want this,I know I need this x, y, and Z.
And you say, well, let's back this upand kind of figure out what works for you.
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And the answer may be nothing.
It may be that,you know kind of what you're looking for.
There isn't a true solution
even though you might have seen somethinglike it on Instagram or social media.
So I think it's really importantto pick providers that you trust
that you can go inand have an honest conversation
with and figure outwhat's what's the right thing for you.
Are you seeing younger and younger peoplecoming in for facelifts
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and brow liftsand all of the other things?
The demographic for the facial procedureshas shifted to a younger, more.
Call it preventative is the wordthat thrown out there.
I want to do a preventative X, Y or Z.
Well, preventative surgeryunfortunately, is probably
it tips the balance of risk and benefitfor a lot of providers.
But things that you can dopreventatively is
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stimulatethe collagen in your skin, wear sunscreen.
You know, some people will start Botoxat a younger age
or the neurotoxinsto help with wrinkle formation.
Those kind of thingsI think are appropriate for younger folks.
Sure. And Botoxhas been around for a while.
Are you saying that the people who startedearlier are needing less work done?
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Again, hard to say.
I think it really comes into thatwhere I see,
when people come in in their 50s, 60sand want facial rejuvenating procedures,
the folks that have paid attentionto their skin care
really have a good result
because they have the collagen,they have the elastin, they have the
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the tension, thethat they're in their skin to withstand
the surgical forcesand create a long lasting result.
And those peopleuniformly get a better outcome.
So those people and 50 or 60
how many facelifts I meanand I know I'd say how many do they need.
And we all knowthat we don't need any of this stuff.
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But are you one and donewhen you go in, in your 50s or 60s,
or is there an expectationthat if you want to maintain that look,
you're going to have to have another onedown the line?
Yeah.
You know, there's a natural relaxationand aging to the skin that happens
no matter what.And it has a lot to do with
skin structure,the way your bones age and rotate.
As we get older.
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I say it like this.
The facelift will give you some yearsback, and then you'll continue to aging.
Whether you get to a point
where those signs of aging botheryou again, then that's great.
Then come back and we can talk aboutif that's the right thing for you.
But it may be that this is just
what you needed.
And as long as you maintaina healthy weight, healthy lifestyle, skin
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care, you can get a faceliftresult the last super long time.
And then if you're in your 30sor 40s coming in, I mean,
is that something if you get it younger,is there a benefit to that?
You know, you talked about the prevention.
What what do youwhat are your thoughts on that?
I don't know, I, I go back and forth.
It's sort of it depends.
Now there's some conditions of the neckthat are genetic.
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And for those people a younger treatment
strategy is probably warranted. Yes.
And the way the muscle attachesin your neck gives kind of a fuller
appearance.
And in photos as we enter into our 40s.
And that those folks do benefit from it.
But small littleyou know loose skin situations
probably going through a big surgeryto create improvement there.
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It's something to talk about. Definitely.
And what are your, your consultations like?
I know that you don't chargefor your consultations
and you're in, Fashion Island in Newport Beach.
So how do those go,like whether you're young or you're old,
I mean, talk a little bitabout what the misconceptions are
and what your advice to people arebefore they even consider doing something.
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You know, my adviceI always say I'm like the worst salesman.
When people come in, I'm like, well,what do you what do you not like?
You know,you tell me. I'm not going to tell you.
Because every nowand then I get someone, well, what do you
what do you think's wrong with me?And what can you do about it?
I'm like nothing.
Everybody's perfect the way they are.
But I would say the big thing to dois separate
what you objectively would liketo have change from your happiness.
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If you think that if you're comingto think that I need to do this surgery
or I need to do X, y and z,and then I think maybe I'll be happier.
Got to be careful there,
because the reality is that'sprobably not going to make you happier.
And so I really try to get into thatduring the consultation is what
what brought you here?What really brought you here?
Was it the way a bathing suit fit?
Was it a comment someone made?
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Is it justsomething you've always thought about?
Is it functional?
You know,those types of things are very reasonable.
But if it's. I don't know what it is.I'm just unhappy.
I want to be happier. Well, then
I'm actually
like, you make it worse.
That's important to
to figure out. Yeah.
And so what do you think aboutwhen people are telling you their story.
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I mean are you do you have to be convincedto actually do the surgery.
I mean what whatwhere's the line that you draw that maybe
this personmight be addicted to plastic surgery,
or maybe they're doing itfor all the wrong reasons.
Yeah, I think it's, you know,we both have to agree on
what we're trying to address.
You know, if it's very, you know,just from an objective standpoint,
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if it's is it, you know, for instance,is it heavy eyelid skin?
I see it, you see it, it bothers you.
Taking it awaywould definitely look better.
And that's what you want. And we match up.
We have a match and I have somethingthat I can provide service
I can provide to you
that's going to correctwhat we both objectively see is the issue.
The problem comes inwhen I don't totally understand,
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and I don't feel like the patientunderstands what I'm saying.
And I don't feel like there's a correctwhat we call,
you know, informed consent procedure.
Like I'm not I haven't conveyedthe information appropriately.
And I don't think they completelyunderstand what we're doing
or how we're going to do itand how it might benefit them
or what the risks might be.Nothing's perfect.
And so that's when I kind of
take a step back and it's for the it'snot it's for everybody's benefit.
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Sure. No.
And I think that's wise I mean and that'sthat's definitely ethical because
I don't think everyone who walks intoyour office needs to have the procedure.
If they're going in thereunder the wrong reasons.
And some of it isjust giving more information.
And that's why I don't charge for consent.
I think everyone'sentitled to information.
And if I can help in any waythat sometimes that's helpful too.
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Yeah. And so you talked a little bitabout misconceptions.
What are the biggest misconceptionsabout plastic surgery?
It's a good question.
I don't
know that it makes you,I guess that it makes you look unnatural.
I think that's one thingthat people come in and they say,
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well I want this,but I don't want to look like x, y and z.
So what makes you think thatthat might be a potential outcome.
So I think that you don't necessarilyneed to think along those lines.
Now there is some plastic surgerythat can make you look unnatural.
And for some people that is thatthat is their goal.
But definitely by and large
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plasticsurgery does not make you look unnatural.
If it's done correctlyor if it's done correctly.
And like I said if you correctly identifythe problem and you correctly
create a treatment solution
to surgery to fix that,it should be corrective and restorative.
Right. Right.
So what are the biggest risks going in.
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Biggest risksare, mismanaged expectations.
We kind of talked on thaton that health issues.
So we look really closely atwhat are your health issues.
Do you have high blood pressure diabetesheart disease.
Do you need.
Can you tolerate the surgery.
Can you tolerate the recovery period.
Do you smoke.
Smoking is very bad for healing.
And especially in the plastic surgerysense of surgery.
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So a lot of people say well I smoked andI had my appendix removed and I was fine.
Different. Wow.
So we really and all has to gointo the blood supply of how things heal.
So we really want to make sureyou heal well.
So really taking stock of
what aboutyou would make you a good candidate
for the surgery to make it go well.
And how.
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Because I meanvanity is probably driving a lot of this.
So how often are people really happywith what you've done.
And we don't have to say what you've doneoverall what plastic surgeons do
and how many people aren't happybecause you know,
you hear all about being, you know,someone being botched or what have you.
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And I think that inand of itself is is a risk.
If you go to someone
who may not have all the certificationsnecessary to do the procedure.
But, I mean, are people generally happywith the results or, how does that work?
I think so, and it goes backto managing the expectations, right?
Everybody'sand that's where social media can be to
the detriment is you see the preand the post and you want the post.
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But you may have not been like the pre.
So achieving the post picture inand just stamping that on
everybody is a little unfair.
So really it's my job to manage
those expectationsand and that manages the happiness.
Postoperatively for the most part.
Now things don't always heal well or gowell and that's just part of doing
surgery.
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So we all see patientswho had surgery from another surgeon
and the patientwould like things to be different.
Not necessarily that surgeons faultalthough sometimes there are some things
that like you saidwhere they're not certified properly.
But the for the most partyou're trying to get the most complex
thing on earth to heal exactly, perfectlyafter you do elective surgery on it.
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Not always going to go perfectlyfor one reason or another.
And so those are where they step in
as their doctor and say, you know I'myour doctor first and I can help you.
Sometimes that that faith is lostand people go to other surgeons for help.
And that's where we all existas a community to get the patients
ready to be sure.
What are the riskiest procedures.
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Because I hear it like the Brazilianbutt lift.
You hear a lot about that.Yeah. A risky procedure.
So that one really came into lightbecause patients were dying.
And I think there was at one pointquoted around 1 in 3000.
And the reason is when you take fat from.
So the Brazilian Bartlet procedure.
What is it?
It's you take fatfrom somewhere else in the body
and you inject it into the butt regionto create a better shape
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or projection,just in lieu of putting implants in.
The problem is just deep to the musclein the buttock region are big veins
that go back to your heart.
And so some of that fat was inadvertently
making its way back to the lungsand heart and causing people to die.
Oh my gosh.
And so there was a big, caution statementput out by our society
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and temporary moratoriumon some of these larger procedures.
And since then there's been
a lot of safety protocolsput in place to prevent this ultrasound
guided fat transferto stay out of those danger areas.
But that's,
traditionally speaking,
technically the most dangerous procedureif done safely.
It's not.
But that's just where all that came from.
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Right.
And what about the proceduresthat have to be redone?
What would those be?
Or if the patient feelsthat they are not satisfied with those,
what do you think is the hardest thingto fix?
Hardest thing to fix are probably
minor imperfections in like a facelift.
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Because it sometimes requiresa big surgery to then address those.
And a lot of it goes back to the skinquality before you even did the surgery.
Breast surgeries.
You know you're that's a sort ofanti-gravity procedure.
So everything all day long.
Gravity's acting against you.
So depending on their skin qualityyou know the way the implants and,
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and everythingsettle really depends on that.
And so that's a common procedurethat it's redone eventually.
Not always right awaybut eventually if the gravity always wins.
So how did you get into this?
Did you always want to bea plastic surgeon or what?
How did you get into this role?
You know, honestly,I wanted to be a professional golfer.
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Oh, and when that wasn't lookinglike it was going to happen,
I knew I liked math and scienceand I might want to be a doctor.
So I went to a college wherethey allowed me to play golf and pre-med.
Which college was that? Brown. Okay.
So I went there and then, my grandfather,who was an attorney in San Francisco,
said, well, I do some work with a groupthat supports,
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like a philanthropic hospital in Guatemalaand a team of surgeons
from Stanford and Kaiser and San Franciscogo every year.
Would you like to go? I said, well, yeah.
So long story short,I went down there three times
and always looked in the cornerand saw the plastic surgeons doing these
really creative, interesting procedures,and that sort of drew me to it.
Went to medical school, powderout of some plastic surgeons,
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did a bunch of research.
And here we are and here you are.
And you're marriedto a plastic surgeon. I am.
How does that work?
It's,
It works well.
Yeah.
It, it's hard to leavework at the office,
and you go homeand you talk about your cases,
which is which is helpfulin each other's input. And.
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But we definitely very much take workhome, and it exists 24 hours a day. Oh.
Between us.
Oh, that you do that. It's it's been fun.
That's great.
And you're partnering with Doctor Amy,who is just so esteemed here
in Orange County and probably knownthroughout the world for.
Yeah. So how did that come about?
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You know, I was looking to expandmy practice and looking for more space.
And, honestly,
we play golf at the same golf club,and our lockers are next to each other.
And one day he said, hey, I built thisbig office, and I have a lot of space.
You want to you want to come join me?
I said, yeah, sure.It was as simple as that.
Yeah. That's terrific.
That's terrific. He's such a great guy.
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Yeah.
So what do you see down the line?
How do you see your profession evolving?
And, just based on where the world is going?
You know, I think we'll alwaystry to refine our surgery techniques
and what we're how we're addressingcertain problems.
That's the topic of a lot of meetings.
I think there's
going to be a lot of science and energyput into the non-surgical side
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of how to heal people better,how to rejuvenate skin, and a lot of the
manifestations that that we see
long time how to manage people's weight,how to manage all these things,
I think is going to be the next frontierof this special team and where it's
going to crossover with dermatology,those types of things. But
I think that's definitely going to be big.
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I see you hear about exosomes and the PRPand the stem cells and all.
That's a huge frontier.That's just now beginning.
Do you think you'll be working with that?
I'd like to, yeah.
I'd still maintain the element,as you see, with the blue
peel and skin care,because I believe that people
should be given non-surgicalas well as surgical options.
So. Yeah, definitely.
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So if you're a young personand you want to do everything that you can
to put any sort of surgeries offas long as you possibly can.
Assuming you, you know, are interestedand looking your best.
What should someone be doing right now
in your 20s.
Wear sunscreen.
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Honestly I mean thethe sun damage effects are cumulative.
And you don't know how many people I seein their 50s and 60s.
And they say, what are thesebrown and white spots that happen?
I said unfortunately that's probablyfrom when you were burned 30 years ago.
So where are your sunscreen.
Reapply it when you get towhen you get to your 30s
you'll start looking athow can we stimulate the skin retinols
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tretinoin ones, those types of things
that really stimulatethe collagen production.
The elastin sunscreen and maintainingall good oil control.
Think about lasers in your mid 30s
that stimulate the collegeand take you to that next level.
Really keep things improving long term.
And then you know 40s, 50s look at the,
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the parts of your facethat you may want to change. The.
Is it the eyelid skin. Is itmake you look tired.
Is it jawing.
Is it small little things that can becorrected with fillers or Botox.
How do you
feel when people come in and they sayI want these great big giant lips.
Do you try and talk them out of itor do you try to accommodate them.
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I just say I might not be your person.Yeah.
And so
yeah and that'swhere social media can help within
our practice is you sort of over timeyou put out what you like to get back.
So people then see your esthetic.
You see what you doand the absence of what they may want.
So they may go to someone else,which is totally fine.
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Everyone has their own thingthat they like doing and
there's a, there's someone for everybody.
Yeah.And I just say I might not be your person.
I just can't envision that.
And here some people that do do that.
Yeah. Yeah.
Just I just wonderwhat can we do with this generation
that is so obsessedwith the way they look?
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And I'm sure 20 years from now,because you're still young,
you're going to be still working,I'm sure, in 20 years.
I mean, what do you see in the futurewith this particular generation?
What could we be telling these people?
You know that you'reokay the way that you are.
I think the message,
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it's got to comefrom the sources that they idolize.
You knowthat everyone looks up to someone.
I looked up to Freddy Couples, the golfer.
You're listening and you know,let me know if you want to play some golf.
You know, that was my idoland he was so cool and calm and collected
and well dressed.
And I thought, well,that's who I want to be.
(24:41):
And so I think it really comes fromthe people they idolize.
And they're that
and whatever that may be is are theyare they influencers or are they
celebrities and
movie stars? Actresses? Actors?
Yeah, no, but it seemsthose people are all leaning towards
the plastic surgery side and, yeah.
(25:01):
And and I think the, you know,like you said, to be able to prevent it
before you get to the point where you'renot happy with the way that you look,
because I know, you know, when I was atthe, an event at the Council
of Aging and, the president of the,this council was talking about
how she, just had a conversation with,
(25:22):
100 and a woman who was 109 years old.
So we're going to be living a lot longer.
So, you know what?
What does that look like?
And what does that look likein your profession?
When people it's going to be normalfor people that live into their hundreds.
Well, I think that's an importantword is living.
We want to make sure we're livingand not just existing.
(25:42):
Right. I think that's what peopleare starting to be focused.
They're starting to focus on, like,how can I be my best?
And I like hearing thatwhen someone comes in
and says, I'm just looking for advice onhow to be my best,
and that's why I really steer peopledown the non-surgical stuff first.
How can you be your best skinwise or minimize wrinkles?
Do some lasers because surgery.
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I'm not going to change who you are.
And if you're
and if you want to be a different person,that's not going to make you happy.
But how can I be your best?
Well, we need to start down this journeytogether at A and get to be.
So the sooner we start down
that journey with you, understandhow your aging makes it easier.
Sure.
But definitely I think start start smallinstead of people come in
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and they say, I wantI saw this person, I want a facelift.
I'm 32.
Well it'snot going to help you from aging.
You're going to help you live longer.
And I think it's justkind of a mind shift.
My mom is 86.
When she was 85 her doctor told herthat she had to use a cane.
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And I don't want to sayexactly what she said
because I don't want to use profanity.
But she said she's not using an fING cane, right? Yes.
So I said, thenyou have to go to Silver Sneakers.
And she said, well,I'm not going to silver sneakers.
There's too many germs there.
So I connected her with a private trainer,and she's been at 86.
She's working out three, three daysa week, with a personal trainer
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lifting weights.
And she started with stick legs,and now she's got muscles on her legs.
So how important?
You know, we always hear about eatright and exercise.
But, you know, when you look at longevityand the way that you look
and the way that you feel, you know,how important is the eating, right
and the exercising as far as a preventiontool, 100% and mobility.
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I think a big thing that I foundeven helpful for myself because I had back
pain, neck pain from surgeryand all these positions and stuff.
And so I when sought outsomeone that would help with
stretching and mobility, pelvic mobility,leg, hip.
And I've no more back pain and walklonger, I walk straighter, I'm stronger.
So I think that's something as we work
(27:53):
in our jobs longer and we live longer,
paying attention to mobilityand strength is going to be the key to
living longer.
Not just existing longer.Exactly. Thriving.
Thriving. Longer.
Yeah.
Thriving longer.
Keeping your weight manageable.
Easier said than done.
Sure sure sure. Seven.
Well, you talked about the doctorsthat you saw in Guatemala,
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so I don't think people really realizewhat the other side, you know, versus
the cosmetic versus the amazing things
that that plastic surgeonsare doing to help people.
Do you want to shed some light on that?
Yeah, actually,
you know, the plastic surgerythat everybody knows about
is such a small partof what this specialty does.
You know, the specialty
as it developed was sort of a waste backat Basket Specialty.
(28:38):
That's that specialized head to toe.
Actually the first kidney transplantwas done by a plastic surgeon.
But it
it really, you know, the the whole like
mantrais to restore form and function to people.
And if to think about it, that's okay.
It's fairly true of cosmetic surgery.
But also, you know,if car accidents, skiing accidents, cancer
(28:59):
reconstruction, head, neck,leg, arm, breast,
all that stuff is very big partof plastic surgery.
We have craniofacial surgeonsthat that treat kids and deformities,
hand surgeons,a lot of them are plastic surgery.
So it's a really broad field.
And that's initiallywhat drew me to it was you can
kind of do a little bit of everything,become a master of the entire body,
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and that's pretty cool. That's exciting.
And there's so many new things coming outevery day on on how you can help people.
I think that's fantastic.
So one last question.
I would be remiss if I didn't bring upKris Jenner, who looks phenomenal.
Great, Assuming that this isn'tjust lights and Photoshop thing,
(29:42):
how does someone of that age group,
totally and
completely restore their youththe way that she has,
you know, it's,I don't think it's just lights.
Okay? I think if it is,
you know,all we read is what's in the news.
I don't have any extra insight,
but the surge in the theatersurgeries are fantastic. Surgeon.
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I know him, and he is.
Does a good job, a really good job.
And, you know, having a natural resulton a skin and bone structure that's.
Well,
kind of formed.
I mean, she don'tshe doesn't have a heavy face or neck.
She has good skin care.
All those things we talked about reallylend to a, a night and a good surgeon.
All those things lend toa really nice result that looks natural.
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It moves naturally,looks good in all light.
And it's
that's the key.
Okay.
I like it worth all the time and energyshe spent.
No kidding.
Well, she's a walking billboardfor her surgeon, for sure.
Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
Well, fantastic. Yeah.
This show is called Making Maverick Moves.
My real last question is,
(30:47):
how do we have to feel about ourselvesin order to make those maverick moves?
And how much of it is just like who we areand how we look?
The end of the day, being comfortablein your own skin as it exists.
Loving yourself for who you are, havinga good support structure around you,
I think is the key andand unfortunately I I'd love to,
(31:10):
but I can't do that for peopleand I think that comes from within.
It's somethingwe all have to look deep and
and handle.
Yeah, those are words to live by.
Thank you, Doctor Mills,for being on the show, for having me
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