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October 17, 2025 90 mins

Robert Suttle joins Paul to share his experience with the criminalization of HIV. He talks about the unexpected arrest related to his diagnosis, his experience in prison, and living with HIV in the modern day.

Links/Resources that Robert mentioned:

Elizabeth Taylor AIDS Foundation site: https://elizabethtayloraidsfoundation.org/

Elizabeth Taylor AIDS Foundation's HIV is Not a Crime initiative site: https://www.hivisnotacrime-etaf.org/

Robert Suttle's site: https://www.robertsuttle.com/

ETAF HIV is Not a Crime Roundtable Conversation with Don Lemon (featuring Robert): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cC19N3_Irw

Video spotlight on Robert's story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw-ZvH-aI9Y

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