The Impact of Late ADHD Diagnoses Ft Dr. Kojo Sarfo

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Dr. Raquel Martin (00:00):
Steve, Hello everyone, and welcome to Mind
your mental just a reminder thatthis podcast is not meant to be
a substitute for a relationshipwith a licensed mental health
professional. I know they arehard to find, and I get that I
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(00:21):
psychologist, so if you need anyspecific help, please look for
the help of a licensed mentalhealth professional. Learn all
you can learn from the podcast.Enjoy the episode. Alright,
everyone. Welcome to mind yourmental today we have Dr Kojo
Sarfo, who is a social mediacontent creator mental health a
nurse practitioner andpsychotherapist with over 2
million followers on all of yourplatforms. You were actually one

(00:42):
of the first platforms Ifollowed on tick because I was
seeing a lot of stuff wherepeople, like, had no sense, but
then also a lot of informationalcontent that was boring. And you
have a good combo of like, youhave informational content and
you have some sense, and you'renot boring. So I was like, okay,
so I can, I can look at likethis, because there was like,
when I first got on Tiktok, itwas either like, okay, either

(01:02):
it's only we're only doingdancing videos, or some of your
stuff is just too intense. Like,oh my god. Like, this is a
boring video. Good information,yeah. But boring and your stuff
was a good combo of, like, okay,so I can get some skits in here.
You also did some rhymes. Like,I was like, okay, and as someone
who wants some resources, thisis actually accurate. All right,

(01:25):
he ain't make this stuff up. Ican follow this. Thank you for
coming on the show.

Unknown (01:31):
Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. Of
course, one

of the things I really liked is the fact that
she's specializing. You talkabout things that I think
they're being talked about morenow, but you've been on social
media for a little bit, and Idon't think there don't think
there were as many mental healthprofessionals that were actually
certified on social media aswell as individuals who were
just talking point blank aboutthis is what ADHD will look
like. This is what this willlook like. These are ways to

(01:54):
help you and providing resourcesin the first place. How was that
for you when you started?Because there's a lot of people
doing it now, but that was notthe case in the beginning, in my
opinion.

Unknown (02:05):
Yeah, in the beginning, people were moving out of fear.
Because, you know, in school,we're not taught to embrace
social media, so people think ofsocial media as something that
you can try out. We have totread cautiously. Don't really
put yourself out there. Nobodyshould know where you work at
just kind of keep it like alllike within, but then I'm
looking at the kids who they'reposting everything, they're
being transparent, they're beingvulnerable. So I came as myself

(02:28):
and also answered questions thatpeople you know happen to have.
And eventually you don't knowthat you're doing the right
thing until you go for so long,and then other people who are
reputable start to come on theplatforms. And that was kind of
like a co sign that I meant tobe here, because I'm seeing
somebody from here, somebodyfrom Nashville, somebody from
Johns Hopkins, somebody fromUCLA, people are coming to

(02:48):
social media, so that kind ofreaffirmed that I was in the
right position. But for a longtime, I wasn't really sure if I
was supposed to be on it, so Iwas just kind of on it, and I'm
just hoping that it doesn't, youknow, interfere with my
professional standing because Iwas having so

much fun. Yeah, and I feel like that shows
when like people are it's notonly about providing
information, but also having funwith it. Like, when people ask
me about social media, I'm like,Listen. As soon as it becomes
boring, that's when I typicallypivot. Like, for the longest I
was doing like skits, and I waslike, over it. And then then I
was doing like the talk aheadvideos. I'm like, over it. And
then I was doing lip syncing,and I was like, over it, and
I'll just switch, because Igenuinely think, like, I need to

(03:25):
be providing information, but itneeds to be fun, because it is
work. So if it's not fun, I'mout. Like, I'm not I'm not about
to do this. Read an article. Ican't do it on board, which is
crazy. Yeah,

Unknown (03:38):
I think that was a advantage for me, because, like,
I know how, you know randomizedcontrol trials work, and meta
analysis, like, I know all thatstuff. But then even there's
certain things that when I lookthem up, I have to, like, really
pause and try and figure out howto interpret it, because it's
not that straightforward. So I'mthinking to myself, the average
person would never know thisinformation. So if I take it, I

(03:59):
make it easy to understand, butit's actually fun, and this is
how I would have learned. So Iput out in a way that I think
somebody like me would be ableto easily understand it, and
that's made a huge difference.Hey,

everyone, just a reminder that mind, your
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get more access to me. Y'alllike, I'm a delight. All right.
All right. Hope to see youthere, yeah, what are some of
the what are some of the mentalhealth topics or diagnoses or
whatever that you tend to focuson within your content? Like,

(04:54):
are there certain diagnoses thatyou hone in more than others?
Yeah,

Unknown (04:57):
so Ada, issue for sure. Now, autism as well. Bipolar
disorder, depression. Depressionhas always been something that
people want to know abouttrauma, and I was surprised to
realize how many people areinterested in learning about
thought disorders likeschizophrenia and
schizoaffective disorder andalso psychosis, especially with
the substance use. People arevery interested in learning
about psychosis as a symptom andwhat can lead to it, so almost

(05:19):
everything. But you would bevery surprised that there's
certain conditions likepostpartum depression, which a
lot of people are interested in,which I know because my audience
is 77% you know, female, but youknow it's 18 to 25 and then 25
to 34 but everybody wants toknow about postpartum
depression, the people who areolder, people who are younger.

(05:40):
So it's just about looking atthe analyst and figuring out
what topics are, you know, popup at the moment. It's also
seasonal at times, because, likeduring the fall months, seasonal
depression, there's a higherdemand for those videos, so you
have to kind of keep it your earto the streets to figure out
what people want to know aboutat that particular moment in
time. Yeah. And

I feel like you have a good you have a good
you have a good combination ofnot only looking at it from the
social media lens, not onlylooking at it from the the
licensed professional lens, butalso from your lived experience,
because you mentioned the factthat you have diagnoses that
you're like, listen, I know thisnot only because I read it, but
I live this in the first place.

Unknown (06:16):
I come from that perspective, first, just as me,
as a person with ADHD, and thenwhen I put those relay
experiences, and it draws peopleto you, and then they're like,
oh, wow, there's actual factualinformation on this page. But
the first that's gonna bringthem is something that's funny,
because they can resonate withemotionally, because like, Oh, I
forgot. I'm all here. I couldpay for this twice. I have to

(06:37):
buy three or four of this item.I gotta keep self sabotaging.
And then after you do thesethings, no so many times, you
realize they got the only onethat does it. Because you go
online and you see a video, andyou look in the comment section
and everybody else is sayingthat the same thing this
morning. So I come as a humanbeing with ADHD first, and I
think that's been the, probablythe biggest difference for me,

(06:59):
because if you come as aprofessional, then they're they
want you to, like, bring allthese articles, you know, and
like, reference this and that.But when you come to somebody
who is a professional, they wantto hear about you. And then you
can draw from, like, theprofessional world, as opposed
to drawing from the professionalworld. And it's kind of like
sprinkling in the things aboutyourself. I'm doing it the other

(07:20):
way around. Yeah, I think

that's helpful. Because I think one of
the main reasons why I got onsocial media was to provide
information, but I also wantedto break down the third wall
about mental health and wellbeing and like, what clinicians
look like, because there's thisscariness of people not knowing
it's like, everyone's tellingyou to go to therapy, but like,
I need to know, like, what am Iwalking into? Like, is the
person going to be judgey? And Ifeel like being on social media
and being able to state, like,I'm a licensed mental health

(07:43):
professional, I'm apsychologist, and I also have a
psychologist just something assimple as being like, so my
psychologist told me the otherday that I was tripping, and
people would be like, wait,wait, wait, wait, wait, you. You
see a mental healthprofessional, and I'm like,
Yeah, I get high on my ownsupply, honey. What you think?
You think I can take in all thisinformation and not get help
myself. It's a lot, right? It'sa lot of stuff in the first

(08:03):
place. So I feel like that'sincredibly helpful to have
people out there. Because I alsonoticed there was a bunch of
misinformation. Like, there's alot of, like, toxic positivity
stuff and a lot of things. Like,I remember doing a post about
affirmations, and I was justbeing like, you know, you, you
do know that, like, you gottahave some action behind the
affirmation, right? Like, youdon't just write something down

(08:25):
and be like, it'll happen. No,you write something down and
then you write the steps to whatyou're going to do to contribute
to making it happen. Yeah? Like,it's not, this isn't like
Sabrina the Teenage Witch,honey. You gotta, you gotta,
like, do something. And peopleare like, well, you know, we're
just putting out positiveenergy. And I said, Okay, that's
not, that's not what you know.Like, I'd be like, I'm sorry. I

(08:47):
don't know what that means. As amental health professional, it

Unknown (08:50):
did create a blueprint for how we could put our
information out, because I wouldsee those videos where you'd
say, just do this and that andit'll cure depression. And
debate will go borrow and I'mlike, hold up. This not true,
but the way that it was put outthere was very compelling. So if
I use that same type of thoughtprocess that I put a spell on it
to where it's coming from, mycontent, which I know is true,

(09:12):
then it can reach a lot ofpeople, and it can make a big
impact. So I think they kind ofset the blueprint, because even
though they were not sayinganything else factual. There's a
way to communicate online, orthe method of the delivery of
content is so important, butthey had cracked that code, and
that's what we've always lacked.For so long, nobody has ever

(09:32):
known how to talk to the people.They only know how to talk to
each other amongst ourselvesbecause we're using all this big
language, but we don't know howto talk like me or you talking
to the people. So those kidsreally taught us that system for
this is how you reach thepeople, and if we just double
back behind it and provide thecorrect information, that's

what that's what we call a reframe. Y'all
look at that. Re look at well,no, it wasn't that helpful. But
would you know what they didgive us? They gave us. A
Blueprint like so that we couldactually help in the first
place. I feel like that. But youknow what I will say, as someone
who like, you know, there's notmany people that look like us

(10:12):
who are doing this work. Iactually don't think that we
people like I don't think weindividuals black people,
individual African descent. Idon't think we struggle as much
with breaking down concepts aswhen it comes down to, like,
having conversations, becausemost of the time my caseload was
a lot of people who look likeme, and they were just like,
listen, listen, listen, listen,give me the Reader's Digest.

(10:33):
Now. Now, do I need to get themIEP like, what do I need to do
to help my child? Like, most ofthe time I was so using people
just being like, that 20 pagereport. I'm not doing it. So
what? What do I need to do tohelp my child read better?
Because I'm not, I'm not doingthis with you. I'm not about to
read this like, I feel like I'vecoming from the community clinic
place, and also stuff. I gotmore used to having to break

(10:55):
stuff down. And I remembergetting frustrated because I'm
like, well, that's not what I'mseeing on social media.
Sometimes I'm seeing stuffthat's like, a little too
intricate. I'm like, you justgave them five steps. You can
you just give them one like, youknow, one step will help them
tremendously. This is too muchinformation for me who, like,
knows how to do this in thefirst place.

Unknown (11:14):
Yeah, it's a lot. And some people like that type of
content. But I think, actually,I can say it's a lot of
certainty, the attention span isdropped online. So if you're
jamming a whole lot to onevideo, it's not the best way to
get it out there. It could bethe right thing. You have to
break it up into like, smallparts for people to understand.
Because I think the averageperson brings on a sixth grade

(11:36):
reading level. They also thatsomewhere recently, which I came
as a shock. I can see that, youknow, on average. So you have to
put it out, like bit by bit. AndI don't like seeing, like a
whole much or one video.Sometimes people put it out in
the works, and then I think tomyself, who's watching this
whole thing, and I'm done, Ijust can't it has to be

(11:58):
compelling to really even gaveme the to pause my scrolling to
watch it. So three and a threeminute, 47 second video about
something that could have beenput out there in like 17
seconds,

not for me, but you know what it's also
taught me? Like, I think we needto start using better strategies
when it comes to the mentalhealth stuff, because Risa TISA
taught people a lot of things,but she but if the story is
good, they will like, I never, Inever listened to the whole
thing. I got the gist of it.Because I genuinely don't know

(12:32):
how people had the time, butthey found the time like they
found it. And I'm like, mentalhas to do the same thing, like
with your videos, when youshare, you'll share like, the
scale. You'll share a typicalscenario, and you'll see stuff
in the comments like, forexample, what are, what are
some, let's say, if you had toname, like, three or four common
things that people will commentin the in the in your space,

(12:53):
about ADHD, when you're justlike, I'm struggling with this.
What are some things that youpeople think? People are like,
Yeah, I can't, I can't do that.Losing your keys. I know you
mentioned that,

Unknown (13:01):
right? Don't mention having to do things over. Like
having to repeat things over andover as an adult is frustrating.
Like having to read over certainlines twice, having to buy
things over and over again,having to go the whole day
saying you're going to dosomething, you forget to do that
thing, and then tomorrow you'regoing to do it again. But it is,
you know, you forget throughtomorrow. So that was derailed

(13:23):
your plans for the week, and nowyour confidence with which you
think you can get things done aslow. So now you're not you're
frozen, you're paralyzed, you'renot doing anything. So I think
just the the how disabling itcan be to have to have a
condition that people can't see,and things are just piling up
like the the laundry, it's onyour bed you haven't folded
after a week, the dishes are inthe sink, so on and so forth. So

(13:46):
I think people like in thecomment section, those are the
the main things I'm seeing, andon the diagnosis part, I'm
seeing people getting diagnosedlater in life, saying that they
thought that they were lazy andthey thought that they were
unmotivated, and it wasn't untilthey put two and two together
they realized it is ADHD. Butthey figured it out that 3547 26

(14:06):
instead of like in second grade.Yeah,

I saw this video the other day. It was this
woman, and she had mentionedthat she had just started
byvance, and which is amedication that helps
individuals with ADHD, and shewas just like, when I tell you
that, she said, I'm she said itwas amazing, but she said, I'm
also, like, kind of ticked offthat people's brains just like,
work like this. She was like,she's like, I cannot believe

(14:32):
that people's brains work likethis. And she had just started
the medication because she hadjust got diagnosed, and she had
to be like, her 30s. She's justlike, I can't believe that this
is how people, some people'sbrain works. And then the
comments there are a lot ofpeople saying, like, when I tell
you the the amount ofproductivity I lost, how upset I
am that it took so long for meto get diagnosed. Like, they

(14:53):
people were just like, Yeah, I'mupset too, because you mean to
tell me my brain could have beenworking like this, just like you
mentioned, if people werediagnosed and. Second grade,
like she is just like I just Ijust started. I can't believe
people's brains work like this.I cannot imagine I could have
soared if I had known that likethis is what was going on with
me.

Unknown (15:11):
There's a lot of grief attached to that whole concept
of being diagnosed later inlife, because then you have to
kind of agree with the personyou could have been, and then
you're thinking to yourself,like everybody maybe knew that I
was this way, or people couldoperate with a greater capacity,
and I only had this I was keptoff my whole life, so you have
to sometimes, you know, try andforgive yourself. Forgive your

(15:31):
parents. Sometimes parents know,and they don't tell their kids,
listen like I've seen, likeyou've seen it too. Yeah, I had

a patient that was putting their mom was
putting, after we did theassessment and we were talking
about medications. Mind you, wedid a couple of days of
assessment, and this is when Iwas still in training. And she
was like, oh, yeah, we give himmedication. He's on medication.
We put it in his medicine, hisfood. And when I tell you, the
neuro the neuropsychologist inthe room was like, why we just

(16:00):
did two days. We did a fullbattery. We just did two days of
assessment. One, we have to talkabout the fact that your child
is on medication and they don'tknow. Two, wow. Why? So what?
Because he was just like, sowhen we asked if there were any
previous diagnoses, and he justdid, like, a slow blink. And I

(16:23):
wanted to be like, when weasked, What did you hear?
Because he not going to say, Ineed to know. What did you we
said, Do you have any diagnos?Because, you know, he's just
most neuropsychologists are verylike, you know, straight to the
point, but in my mind, you'relike, I mean, answer him,
because I am. I did two day, youknow, how long those reports
take. The child was, you know,on the ceiling, and I was like,

(16:45):
well, is the Medicaid? I waslike, Is the medication working?
And they were like, Oh, I madesure he wasn't on the medication
during the assessment. And I'mlike, Oh, thanks for that. That
was so helpful. It was so drKojo, this is

Unknown (17:02):
weird. I weird. I'm curious. How old was this child,
like 1213, 10, 10/4, grader.Fourth grader can still know
about Well, no, she just

did. She stated she was parents that she
that didn't want the child tothink that there was something
wrong with them. I guess shethought that he thought that. He
thought that medication wouldmean that something was wrong
with him. But I also asked,like, Did he notice, has, you
know, any change with themedication? And she said, Yeah.
And I'm like, so I think youcould have approached it with
your child, like, there'snothing wrong with you. This is
meant to help you. Do you noticea difference? Do you like the

(17:35):
difference, like, all this otherstuff? And I'm just like, you
know, in my mind Now, mind you,I'm still a trainee. But in my
mind, I'm like, yo, this is whypeople don't work with kids.
Because most of the time, thereason why people don't work
with kids, it's not the kids,it's the parents. Because, like,
can you, I know it's your child,but you were drugging your
child. I just put that outthere, like I was, I was just

(17:56):
like, what big ethical question?It's a big ethical concern, like
just because you created thisperson doesn't mean you can drug
them without them knowing, andit also takes away their
autonomy of knowing what's goingon with them, especially since
child medic, the medication canhave a significant decrease in
your appetite. And I'm just likeso you know, she would take

(18:18):
weekend break. Some people takeweekend break, not now because,
by Vance is in a drought, soAin't nobody taking no breaks.
But like she would take weekendbreaks because she had concerns
about his eating, which is acommon concern, but I'm just
like, you know, I guarantee youhe noticed a difference in his
mood Friday versus Saturday. Youknow, like kids can be thinking
something's wrong with them, youknow, like, yeah, I just

(18:39):
remember thinking, wow, this isokay. I'm never going to forget
this story. And then you takethe

Unknown (18:44):
question, everything that's you've been told once,
you find that that was a lie. SoLisa, she's gonna

have to tell him, like, okay, so I know
you're in college now and you'rewondering why you're having
issues. It's because you wentout of state and I can't drug
you anymore. I'm just sayingthat's why, cuz that's what it
is, right? Like they're gonnanotice, like mom went

Unknown (19:06):
on vacation. Yeah,

I don't know why I can't focus anymore.
Something's wrong with me. No,mom's on vacation, and she
doesn't get a chance to drug you

Unknown (19:12):
today. Well, this happens so much more than people
realize, but the comment iswhat's letting me know this,
because you sometimes forget.But then when we look at a
comment, and then sometimespeople will type something in
there, it'll say, there. It'llsay, like, 5.8k likes. I'm like,
wow, almost 6000 people agreewith that statement. The comment
section will tell youeverything. What do you feel

like? Are some of the common
misconceptions for ADHD, like,as someone who gets to see both
sides of it, social mediapractice, living with it. What
do you feel like? Are some ofthe common myths that you're
just like, Nope, that's actuallynot true. People thinking

Unknown (19:44):
that it's fake. Number one, some people still think
that it's not a real condition.And those people once they
sometimes they have ADHD too.It's not until they realize it,
or they see somebody who isclose to them, they see how it
impacts them, and they're like,oh, wow, something's going on.
Another. Misconception is youcan grow out of it, like, Oh,
you'll grab ADHD, no. Kids justlearn to use drugs, or they just

(20:08):
figure out different ways tocompensate some healthy so I'm
not healthy, but, you know, agood majority of people don't
just grow out of it. Themedications making you like,
starting your growth I see thata lot. Now, the evidence on that
is somewhat unclear, but peoplewill say, kind of like with the
whole autism and vaccines thing.People kind of say that. I've

(20:30):
heard that by a couple peoplejust recently, but I'll say
those are the main things. Don'treally believe ADHD is real, the
medications, the essentialgrowth, and also they don't see
how disabling it can be for aperson. Yeah,

I think some people don't take it seriously
enough. Just like you mentioned,like it being disabling, like
it's it's hard to get to asituation where, I don't know,
you just want your body to moveor work in a different way.
People aren't taking itseriously. People are saying,
like, you mean, I'm not lazy,you're not lazy. Your brain
works differently, you know,like everybody has learning and
thinking differences, and I feellike we don't focus on

(21:05):
accommodations the way that weshould. It's like, I've always
had to issue with the wordatypical, because I'm always,
I've always been like, what is,what's, what's typical, exactly,
and it's used so much in thefield. And I'm like, you know
it? And I think it alsofrustrates me, because it's
someone who, like, focuses onblack mental health, most of our
behaviors are seen as atypical,and they're going to be for an

(21:27):
entire science that wasn'tdevoted to studying us and
understanding us. And I feellike it's the same thing with
neurodivergence. I'm like, well,instead of thinking about the
person being atypical, why don'twe think about the environment
not supporting the person theappropriate way, right? Like, I
always say that, like, I haveone of the biggest and most
normalized accommodations. Ieven get compliments on them

(21:50):
every day. That's my glasses,you know. But I don't see anyone
saying something like, oh, well,maybe if you just, like, try to
see better, maybe if you wouldjust squint your eyes. But like,
has anyone ever said anythingabout, How is this any different
than having difficulty focusingon tasks, having difficulty with
multi step directions, needingsomebody to give you a recording

(22:12):
of the lecture after you like,how are glasses any different?
It's just a normalizedaccommodation. Yeah, wow. I
believe, and nobody does,they'll be like, I was, I love,
like, Oh, you like my little youlike my accommodation. That the
environment has, you know,covered by insurance, because
most assessments aren't evencovered in insurance. But we got
whole optometrists who aremaking a bag off of my annual

(22:33):
exam. It doesn't make any sense.It's an environment thing.

Unknown (22:36):
There's so many different talking points on
this. Because number one, like,when people take ADHD medication
for the first time, I do likenit to somebody take wearing
glasses for the first time,like, the first time I put on
glasses. I was in Florida, andwe were living in a apartment,
like a three story apartment. Wewere on the second floor. I
looked after the balcony. Icould see the blades of grass
for the first time, literally.So it blew my mind, and I'm

(23:01):
like, wow. So people can like, Ididn't know you're supposed to
like, you could read like, thesigns on the street. I thought
you have to come like, reallyclose to it before you

driving. Dr Kojo, no, I

Unknown (23:10):
was in fifth grade. I have laces now, but I can't, I
can't drive without my visual,my search, you know, visual
accommodations without I can'tdrive, not at all. So people
don't realize that you needaccommodations for your brain
medications to help you do X, Yand Z. And when people can't get

(23:33):
that, the loss of potential, youhave to sometimes paint it out
vividly and let them knowthere's a high rate of STDs,
teenage pregnancy, caraccidents, you have to make the
situation as grave as possible.And then people are like, oh,
there's a higher rate ofsubstance use. Okay, alright,
well, maybe we'll go get themchecked out, because I think

(23:54):
it's important. Yeah, people arestill in denial sometimes,
because takes them a lot toprocess that this information is
true. Yeah, I

think, I mean, like, I think we're
getting to a better space whenit comes to stigma. But like,
one thing I have noticed whileteaching like grad and undergrad
is, like, the youngergeneration, they have no problem
talking about, like, Oh, yeah.So my therapist told me this, or
no, I'm struggling because of mymedication. Like there's a
shortage, versus like theirparents are probably like, stop
talking about your finance inchurch. This is inappropriate,

(24:23):
you know, like, it's very it'svery different generationally,
because they be like, No, Ican't focus. It's a byvance,
shortest girl, so send it to mevia email. I can't do this. I
can't focus on this, especially

Unknown (24:33):
us. We don't talk about it. It's a shameful idea to or
concept to bring up anythingmental health related outside
the four walls of the house,because people know that your
kid has x, y and z, and thenparents sometimes feel like
that's like a reflection oftheir parenting or know their
genes, and it's not. It's just adiagnosis that better explains

(24:55):
the majority of the things thatyou do. But in our community,
that stigma is so pervasive.Said, I'm so senior. Yeah, I'm
so senior. Imma

tell more people about the glasses.
Because he was like, I don'tblame my eyesight on my mom. You
so like, eight days. It's justmy brain, honey. It's just the
way it works. Everybody haslearning and thinking
differences. Okay, I readridiculously fast. Everybody
can't read as fast as me. Doesthat mean I'm going to shame
them for taking a week latelonger to read the book my
husband, one time, I was like, Iwas we were reading a book

(25:26):
together. We read bookstogether. And this one time, he
was just like, what, what youmean? You on this chapter? What?
What? What do you mean? Or like,the few times where I listened
to, like, an audible and Ididn't have my headphones, and
he was like, you know how thatsounds? It sounds like because I
listened to it at like, 1.5 hewas like, What? What are you

(25:48):
listening to? I was like, Oh,I'm listening to this book. He
said, it doesn't sound what'sthe speed? I gotta listen to it
at 1.5 or it sounds obnoxious.Because anything lower than
that, I just be like, What? Whatare the words, Honey, hurry up.
I can't, I can't do this,

Unknown (26:02):
but so you have to go down speed to top her
information I

do, or you have to go even talking at a
normal speed. Like my mom cannotstand off as I talk. But when I
talk at a normal speed, to me,it sounds obnoxious, like it
sounds like I'm beingcondescending, like it sounds
like I'm being rude when I talkat a normal speed. So are you

Unknown (26:21):
talking slower than you normally talk right now? But,

but not so much that it's like, however
normal, like, okay. So if I'mjust like, okay, so if I were to
it sounds like I'm making fun ofthe person I'm talking to. Oh,
okay, it

Unknown (26:37):
makes sense. It might you feel like having to pause
more than necessary. Kind oflike you're talking to a kid,

to a kid, because I talk to, I talk to the
boys the same way I talk to myvoice, the same

Unknown (26:47):
way it could be, it could be helpful. They'll pick
up on it. Eventually they will.They'll be like,

you know, everybody talks normal, except
for mom. Mom talks really fast,and you just get used to it.
Like one of my really goodfriends, she we were, we went to
school together, and weseparated for a little bit. And
when she when I saw her a whileback, she was just like, wow.
After I was talking to her, shewas like, huh, I forgot how fast
you talk. It's gonna take me alittle bit too, because she was

(27:11):
used to being around normalpeople. And she was just like,
oh yeah, I forgot about this.Okay.

Unknown (27:17):
Well, it depends. People from Louisiana talk fast.
Puerto Ricans talk really fast.So sometimes, like, people are
accustomed to it, maybe just notthe people in in your area.
Yeah, I can

see how it could be a lot like my husband.
He's from Nashville, so like hetalks at a normal speed. I think
I talk really fast. Both of uswere frustrated at each other's
communication style. We're bothlike, this is too much, but it's

Unknown (27:44):
so important that you can realize that, because that
can lead to, like, a whole, likevariety of problems, just if you
communicate in a different wayfrom the person that you're the
closest to,

yeah, and I see that so like, when it comes
to like mental health, I seethat a lot, like in
accommodations, like, say, we'retalking about ADHD, and like, I
feel like, I think some people,I think, like, with the myths
and misconceptions of like, itbeing a cop out, people may need
to understand what it's likewhen it comes to, I don't know,
say you're just moving in withsomeone who has ADHD and you
don't know what their typicallifestyle is when it comes to,

(28:17):
like, completing tasks, or Ilike cabinets open or, like,
okay, they have, may have timeblindness when it comes to
different tasks. And you don'treally know this until you're
living with them and you're oruntil you get in a relationship
with them. And it really is justlike, it's, it's kind of like
having a different communicationstyle. And I feel like people
need to be if we're moreaccepting of it, if we talk

(28:39):
about it more it could be moreunderstanding about, like, oh,
okay, so you do thisdifferently. I do it this way.
No way is better than the other,but until we have a conversation
about it where, you know, Idon't want you to think that,
you know, if I say I didn't haveADHD, well, I don't have ADHD,
but, like, we shouldn't assumethat my way is the default,
right, just because somebodyelse does it a different way and

(29:00):
they have a diagnosis, okay, butwhy does that mean that my way
is the default? Like, why do weautomatically do it my way? It
blows my

Unknown (29:07):
mind that people can still get married today without
a prenup and a psychiatricevaluation mandated. It would
solve 80% of problems. Just getprenup this for everybody. This,
the story about the money, isnow no longer an issue, and then
a psychiatric evaluation,because if you understand how

(29:27):
the person that you're with ash,then you can take it as defiant,
or they don't care, thenonchalant, or they're
overbearing. No, they may. Theymay have ADHD, they might have
trauma that they're dealingwith, or grief or depression,
but if you don't know thesethings, it can turn to a fight
after fight after fight afterfight, and sometimes it can lead
to a breakup of a situationwhere maybe you all were meant

(29:50):
to be with each other. So it'simportant look like you and your
husband have already figured itout, but there's so many people
out there. I. We get enoughthat, you know, to work on these
things, because you'reprofessional, some people don't
even know that it's an issue.There's go, they're screaming
back and forth to each other,and they have no they've never
paused once to be like, Oh,something could be going on with

(30:12):
this person. It's just more solike, you're attacking me,
you're attacking me. I hate you.I hate you. Go, go over there,
and I'll be over here. Yeah,

it's one of the reasons why I hate that,
whole, it's that whole dynamicof, like, Oh, if they wanted to,
they would. And I just be like,you know, as someone who I try
to work on it even more, but Isuck at like, like, staying up
on text messages. I'm trying toget an assistant to help me with
emails. And it's not because Idon't care about it. It's

(30:41):
because, like, I forget, or Iresponded in my mind. Or, you
know, it's a time where we'renot doing screen time. So like,
if my kids, they get 30 minutesof screen time. So like, if
they're not allowed to be ontheir screen, it's hard for me
to be on mine, you know, like,because that's incredibly
hypocritical, right? Like, it,people will see those messages,
and I'm like, you know, the onlything that that's going to
change that mindset is likehaving more narratives like

(31:03):
this, but also people gettingbetter at communicating their
needs and getting used to beingto the point of like, you have
to teach people how to treat youright. Like, if I always thought
that like my communication stylewas, you know, the person should
just know, without mecommunicating that to them,
nothing would ever work, right?Like, I think there's this whole

(31:23):
mindset that if they wanted to,they would, but it could be that
this person is also struggling,and I that those are the kind of
messages that I hate seeing onsocial media, because it's like
to a certain extent, but it'salso like, have you expressed
your needs and desires? Have youactually stated that and then
they said no, or did you justassume that they would they
thought the same way as you, orthey completed they did dishes

(31:45):
on the same day? Or for them,plates went on the top rack and
bowls went on the bottom rack.So them not doing that. It's
just them having, you know,being mad at you, like, I think
those are the kind of messagesthat I can't stand seeing
because I'm like, well, that'snot true, because there are many
times where I forget to respondto people, and it's not because
I dislike them, it's justbecause, like, Girl, I forgot.
I'm so sorry. Come back and belike, even if it's an angry

(32:07):
message, like, you got one moretime to not reply to me, but
that still gives me a nudge, youknow, like, it reminds me that,
like, hey, when you don't replyto me, it hurts my feelings.
Okay, so now I gotta startsetting, I don't know, timers
or, you know, telling them tocall me, because it's easy, you
know, but I think there's allthese mindsets, oh, if they
wanted to, they would, wouldthey

Unknown (32:27):
I hate, I hate that message. I've seen it online
with especially within thedating, you know, sphere, where
it's like, Oh, if they want to,they would. And there's all this
bad advice going around, and itis going so viral, and we're all
impressionable. Somebody'staking his advice as your
gospel. They're like, Okay,well, because they didn't do
XYZ, that person hates me, orthis person's a narcissist. It's

(32:50):
not all like that's why we'reneeded within this space,
because some of the informationthat goes around, I look at it
and I'm it's not meant to becomedic, but

like, you're, we're, you in good company,
because I literally be like, oh,what?

Unknown (33:07):
We're not on the same page. There's so many issues
that can go away if we just goton the same page, business wise,
relationship wise, but whenwe're not on the same page, that
we feel like we tend to go ateach other, but we have to get
on the same page. A lot of timeswe're in the same book, maybe on
the same chapter, but somebody'sahead of the other person. But
until we get on the same page,you're gonna be firing shots

(33:29):
back at each other and and wejust have to pause and learn to
understand that people arecoming from the things that we
think about, or we know theaverage person. I don't think it
ever goes through their head,yeah, because they're living
life on autopilot, just payingbills, living life, raising
kids, taking care of Asianparents, so you're not really
thinking about these things.Yeah. And I on a day to day
basis, yeah. And I think it'seven

harder when they have to go to 50 different
platforms to get, like, ananswer to one thing. That's
where I really like when I wentfollowing like, you know, likes
of adult professionals like you,and looking at stuff, because
when they specialize insomething, or they talk about
it, they'll share resources. Butit's that much easier because I
can share a video about like,five ways to help with
depression. Those five ways camefrom years of working with

(34:11):
patients, and also from thisarticle and that article and
that article. But you don't needto read all of that. You can if
you want to click the resource,or you can just look at these
tips like, I think it's also,you know, the reason why social
media can be incredibly helpfulwhen it does what it should is
one, it connects, when itconnects people you know. It
connects people you know, whohave access to stuff that you

(34:31):
may have never met. But also,like, it takes out the guesswork
for some time. But it's alsodangerous, because, like, it's
taking out the guesswork, andit's just like, No, you should,
you should have some, some ofthese videos you should have
challenged, like, don't youshouldn't have taken that value.
Like, that was, yeah, like, inthe first place.

Unknown (34:48):
I think educating people on how to consume this
information is important,because I can miss, I'm sure
there's videos where I missed.So I'm not perfect, just that my
information is probably moreaccurate than the majority of
people. But I can miss noteverything is going to be
exactly the way that it shouldbe, but this is still somebody
who has gone to school for thisamount of time. That's why I

(35:08):
like the way you do your videos.I'm Dr Martin, boom, boom,
because people sometimes need anintroduction to know, okay,
well, whatever this woman'sgoing to tell me, at least I
know I can take it to be thetruth, even if I don't like it,
because she's qualified, and wehave to go through all these
hoops, and there's thealgorithm. This is a whole
different conversation. You haveto figure out how to hack, but
that's why I spend my time on,like the majority of they trying

(35:30):
to figure out how to hack.Facebook is different from
Instagram. Got it. Okay, it'sthe same company, meta, but this
one is different from there.YouTube is different from here.
Got it. People want to hearabout this, and then the way
that they deliver the content isso specific to each platform. So
we're playing this game. Butwhat makes me feel better is
that I'm here in LA, theindustry, they don't have any

(35:52):
idea what people want to see,because they're so behind. So
not only are we ahead of ourpeers in the mental space, we're
ahead of how people consumeinformation. So all of the the
painstaking work of figuring outthis doesn't work here, that
doesn't work here, it's allgonna make sense in the end,
because once you reach yourpeople, they'll do the work for

(36:13):
you. All I do is just thepeople. They'll spread the word.
They'll bring things in, they'llbring opportunities. But it's
just staying focused on tryingto reach the people who a lot of
times, just like the things thatwork for you, say out loud, I
put on paper, and then you putin this kit, and that's how you
connect with people now they nowthey trust you. Night, of
course, you're Dr Martin, butthen it's like, Oh, wow. Like, I

(36:33):
feel like I know this person,which is really hard to get into
clinic sometimes, because it'slike, oh, I'm helping you, but I
can't really tell you. Like,Well, what I'm up to, yeah?

So, yeah, I definitely think the reason I
think you're right because Ithink it sounds insane, but I
think the reason why I get moretrust in the community is
because when people sayridiculous stuff, I'm like, All
right, now you lost your mind,okay? Like, I genuinely, I
genuinely think it's because,like me, I consistently state
what like, what I do. You knowme being a psychologist is what

(37:05):
I do. It's not who I am. And assomeone who has a psychologist
is also working through mentallike knows all of these realms,
I can wholeheartedly tell youthat it's not always going to be
helpful for your well being torise above if someone's talking
to you like they have no sense,like I'm not I think I was like,
some of my videos will do well,but the ones where I'm just
like, I respond to a comment andI'm like, you don't lost your

(37:28):
your darn mind, and I'm gonnahelp you find it 90 seconds or
less, you know, just to be like,well, you ain't got to curse
everybody else, to curse themout. You could just be like, let
me, let me, let me tell yousomething about yourself,
because you got the right onetoday. You can't talk to people
like that. That is inappropriate

Unknown (37:47):
boundaries that so that we all struggle with. So
sometimes we need to hear thingsin a certain way. That's how I
learned. Like coming up playingfootball like I like, it's hard
for me to read between thelines, but when you say it the
same, the way you say it is theright is harsh, but once you put
your feelings to the side,you're like, oh, wow, that is
true. I can't let them come andkeep doing this over and over to

(38:08):
me and not stand for myself,because I can't stand for myself
in any area of my life, becauseI can't say no to my mom or
whatever the case may be. Ilike, I like, how you come in
your direct Yeah. Because

I think a lot of times people, when they think
of mental health, I think theythink it means, like, okay, so
you're always putting someonebefore you. People can talk to
you any kind of way that theonly way to have appropriate
mental health is, like, putthings before you and
selflessness and stuff likethat. And you can't ever
acknowledge that something isrude. And I'm just like, No
Nobody you know me being directwith you and saying that this
was inappropriate. That'smental, because you're not going

(38:41):
to be coming into a space makingme or my community feel
uncomfortable. And additionally,who told you like, so since I
always, I've been recentlystating, like, that whole like,
you know, don't advocate foryourself. That is, like, really
they got the best PR, like,those habitual line steppers,
they got the best PR, becauseyou really got people out here

(39:03):
thinking that advocating foryourself makes you a monster.
You know, they got the bestmarketing team. Oh, well, you
know, this is how to be good atyour you have good mental
health. And I'm like, Man, if Ihad your marketing, I would be
at 3 million followers already,because you really got people
thinking that that's the onlyway to be a good person. Well,
you have to, you have to bequiet about you can't say these

(39:25):
things. And I'm just like, Whotold you that? Who told you
that, like advocating for yourfor yourself, is it makes you a
bad person? Was it your parent?Let's talk about it on this, on
the clock, though, because it'slike what?

Unknown (39:42):
It's ridiculous, and the more I think about it, it's
funny, because these aregenerations of people who've
been conditioned to think thisway. So it's gonna take a while
to break it. So that community,they'll have the best PR over
they'll have the a bigstronghold on people, because
we. When people hear that, like,okay, yeah, yeah, I should be
docile. I should be sweet. Ishould be but then that passive

(40:06):
nature of how you are is makingyou, is making you lose
professionally and topersonally, you're going to lose
in so many areas, when sometimesit's not good to be humble.
These are things that we're toldas kids, like, when you lower
yourself, guess what? You putyourself low enough for them to
come and step on come and stepon you. And you'll see that in
contract negotiations and andbrand deals, there's so many

(40:27):
things that I've started sayingno to this year, because I'm
like, you wouldn't pay a whitegay doctor in Hollywood. And I
have to say that because there'sa certain demographic of people
who get certain things and allno disrespect to any community.
I want to learn about everycomedian. Advocate for all. But
then, when you look at yourselfin relation to who's out there,

(40:48):
you know that okay if I looked acertain way, if I had blonde
hair and blue eyes and the first3.5 seconds to be able to get so
much more attention. So we knowall these things. So we have to
advocate for ourselves and whereour community sees us do that,
we're teaching them how theyshould go about life, because
the disrespect won't stop untilyou can speak up for yourself,
and if you have good intentionsand you care for everybody, you

(41:10):
want everybody to win, then youcan absolve yourself of that
guilt of feeling like, Oh, I'mbad because I spoke up for
myself, or I shouldn't have saidthat was too harsh. Well, if you
didn't say that, you'll keepgetting punched in the mouth and
your opinion is watching you.And then how can they say after
their parents? Or how can theyhow can they come be? How can
they get the combination thatthey need for themselves in

(41:32):
school, if you can't do itbecause they're they're relying
on, they're drawing from yourenergy. So it kind of targets me
to have to stand up to my soundfor myself in all these
different spaces, because I'mrequiring people to do that. So
I have to be, I don't want to bea hypocrite. I know that we all
are, but I want, I want to makesure I fall through my word and
I'm standing up for myself andeverything that I do, I'm making

(41:55):
decisions that show that Irespect myself, which is really
hard, really hard you,

but you make a very good point. It shows that
you respect yourself, right?Like people will make it seem
like you know, it's even likethe whole being humble. Since
when? Since when has it beenwrong to be confident about the
skills that took you time tobuild right? Like there's people
will really be would rather belike some people in shock and
upset at someone who knows morethan you than to be excited

(42:22):
about the whole aspect of like,learning, like, when I kid you
not, every time somebody knowsmore than me about something,
and I can tell I ask, like, Ihave asked you questions, like I
always reach out, and it's justlike, well, they know more than
me. You You expect me to. Whywould I? Why this person knows
more than me? I would ask theperson who knows more than me
and is doing than me and isdoing better, like that is

(42:44):
invigorating for me. Otherpeople would be like, they think
they know so much they do theydo know more than me. What Come
on? Like? What's the issue?Like? I I'm always just amazed.
You could tell a lot aboutpeople with how they respond to
individuals who know more thanthem, because with me, I'm like,
connection made. Let me tell yousomething. Guess who know more

(43:04):
about this than me? This person,and if they got a course, I'm
there, you know, like, what'sthe issue? What it doesn't mean
anything about you. It's justlike, well, if you have a
question, you ask, if you wantto know more, you learn. We're
all learning, like, why would Itake offense to knowing less
than you. How is that offensiveto

Unknown (43:23):
me? Yeah, because you've done the work on
yourself, but most peoplehaven't done that work on
themselves, and they'll realizethat they're projecting, they're
projecting wherever they'refeeling, and it's coming out in
their response, like I can hearit. So a lot of times, based off
the energy I get from somebodyin a certain space, I'm like,
Oh, wow, I know where they arebecause I used to be there. So,
you know, you give them grace,but sometimes you gotta give

(43:45):
them space too, because theenergy is infectious, because
they have to work on themselves.So I think, because, I think we
just hold the mirror up toourselves much more because of
what we do. So we're able to,yeah, you see how ugly you are,
how beautiful you are, how uglyyou can be, how beautiful you
can be. And once you knowyourself on that level, it's

(44:05):
easier to give other peoplegrace, but then we can say what
we say with more confidence,whereas people are sometimes
like you can just tell themsomebody is projecting on you,
and all you can do is just prayfor them and and give them
space. But because I've had todeal with that constantly, and
now I've let go of my need forunderstanding. So you just kind

(44:26):
of give people grace, andthey're coming from wherever
they're coming from. But we knowthat in order for us to really
be helpers, we have to look atourselves first. That's very
difficult to have to stay atyourself every day. It

is. I always be like, you know, I think
about, I'm a medical I thinkabout thinking, and I'll be
like, Man, it's exhausting. Likepeople, people like, I'm like,
listen, I wish. I just want tomake sure you know my threshold
is high. So if I offended you,if there's an issue, I need you
to tell me, because when Ieventually find out, not only am

(44:58):
I going to be mad at. Myself fornot for, like, doing that, I'm
going to be mad at you for nottelling me. So I was like, so
we're both in trouble. Becausewhy the heck did you tell me I
was, I was, you know, like, I'mtrying to fix this now, so I'm
just like, right now, and youdon't, you don't tell me
something is off. Imma, we bothgoing to be in trouble, because
I need to know. One, I need tofix it. But two, why the heck

(45:19):
didn't you tell me that that wassomething that was something
that was making you upset? Andthen I got to be like, probably
because I was going to come atyou this way, huh? Like,
probably because this is a bigconfrontational style to ask you
in the first place. And it'sjust like, this is very advanced
to just be like,

Unknown (45:37):
I think, on the same exact level. But then I have to,
like, give myself grace, becausewhen I'm on that level and other
people aren't, then I'm like,harder myself. And people are
like, Oh, whatever. I'm like,but I'm doing this mental work,
and they're like,

it's nice. No, it's no big deal. Oh, it's
fine. And I'm like, Well, no,it's not fine. And I mean, like,
that's what most of peoplearound me. I'm always just like,
Listen, I'm not about to dig foryour feelings. So if you don't
bring it to my attention, I'mgoing to assume it's not an
issue. However, please realizethat anything you do bring to my
attention will get addressed. SoI want you to take Silas in that
it's not going to get ignored.But I'm not about to go digging

(46:14):
for like. I'm not about to pullyour emotions out of you. You
are not my patient, honey. Likewe are we are friends, and also,
like, I'm not to use thatphrase, oh, again, bring it to
me or not, because that's, youknow, I think a lot of people
will be like, Well, I wonder ifthey're upset. Do they tell you
they're upset? No, well, I guessthat's not on you.

Unknown (46:32):
No, healthy communication is so underrated,
and it's difficult, yeah,because I'll start using

that. I like that. Let them know. Like,
listen now you seem like you Youseem like you're upset, but you
didn't tell me you're upset. Sodid you want to get some food or
what are you what are we doing?Like, I'm not gonna pull it out
of you. Like, just because I'm apsychologist, you're not my
patient. Did you get an invoiceafter this conversation? No,
then you're not my patient.Yeah. Why?

Unknown (46:57):
You shouldn't have to carry all that emotional labor
on your back, and that's how youget to have those conversations
where you talk to somebody andthen you walk away feeling so
heavy, but you have to carry allthat like you have to pull your
own weight too.

Yeah, and I'm gonna let y'all know, rocket,
I'm not carrying it. Okay. Oh,did you want to have a Nope, I
got childcare pickup. I got tocook dinner. My dishwasher is
still broken. Like, no. Like weif you bring it to me, we'll
talk about it. But other thanthat, I'm going to assume you
are having a cheery day, honey.I'm just going to assume that

(47:34):
Well, Doctor, thank you so muchfor coming on this show. I very
much appreciate it. I wanted todefinitely talk about ADHD, and
I love the fact that yourplatform provides an opportunity
for multiple experiences likeyou. I like that you show so
many different aspects ofyourself. You show it from
experiencing it. You'reproviding skits from practice,
from comedy to so tell everybodywhere they can see you, because

(47:55):
you're also on some stages aswell.

Unknown (47:58):
Yes, ma'am, I have a show may 24 at a winery in
Temecula, as here in winecountry in California. It's
about two hours south of Lasomewhere around there. So
that's may 24 on a Fridayaverage show June 1. That's a
Saturday night at the fourthwall Cafe, which is my favorite
spot to perform in Hollywood.And then I have one confirmed

(48:20):
show for July, july 11 at theUptown Comedy Theater in
Atlanta. So that's my firstcomedy show in the NSF. It's
gonna be, what kind of what july11?

I'm sorry, july 11 and Elena, I was gonna
ask, what kind of comedy like?What can they expect to see?
Because your show clips on yoursocial media too,

Unknown (48:42):
right? They expect to see the content that I talk
about online, but through myexperiences. So, you know, come
and see me poke fun at myselfand all the silly things that we
do that we don't want to talkabout. But it's just it's more
liberating when you talk aboutit, because you realize you're
not the only person who is selfsabotaging in these different
ways, and it draws you to, youknow, other people on a deeper

(49:05):
level. Because I don't likesmall talk. Like, I want to meet
somebody and, like, tell me thegood stuff. Like, I like to
connect like that with people.So I like to do that with the
audience and strangers. Andsometimes easier to talk to
strangers than it is to yourfamily. So that's kind of,
that's snippet of what I talkabout,

I love that somebody did this post about,
like, describe what you do inthe worst possible way. And I
said, Oh, I talk shit. Who'slike, what? Yeah, yeah. And then
I teach other people how toalso, like, talk they own shit,
like, like, and then not letpeople talk shit against them.
It's just like, that's, I mean,or gossip, or gossip, that's

(49:43):
what we do, right? Like, whatdid they say to you?

Unknown (49:46):
It's the truth. It's the truth of fun for you,
because that's the absolutetruth. We're getting the the
juicy details that nobody elsegets, but you know, we're
managing it in a therapeuticway, and then you take it. Then
you throw back to them, and nowthey can set barriers for
themselves, aka talk, preventthat people do that. It's done
to them. It's very empowering tojust tell somebody, Hey, you're

(50:09):
not going to talk like this tome, and then to do that to
people and say, Hey, I need tostand for myself in this level,
that level, this way, that way,that's one of the most
empowering things that you canget, and it's not taught in the
form of years. It's not taughtin middle school, elementary
school, preschool, high school,college. You're expected to go

(50:31):
through life and just learn itafter trauma. That's pretty much
which is

crazy, because I can tell you that the
mitochondria is the powerhouseof the cell. I couldn't tell you
what to do when I was sostressed out that I couldn't
complete my homework, like,those are the skills we should
have got. Like, oh yes,hypotenuse, that's great. What
do I do when I'm too anxious toeven go to an event? Can you
tell me that I'm over herelearning how to make a quiche
and I don't know how to dogrounding exercises? This makes

(50:58):
no sense,

Unknown (51:00):
right? Learn how to write in curses. All these
differences,

ridiculous. Well, thank you so much. Oh,
also, what are your social mediahandles and what kind of work?
What social media platforms canwe find you on? So

Unknown (51:11):
I think Instagram, I guess, is like the home that
people know first promotes myInstagram page is at Dr, K O, J
O, S, A, R, F O, Doctor. KojoSarfo on tick. Tock is the same
thing, but there's a dot betweenthe doctor and the coders are
for and our Facebook communityis also growing as well. So
that's facebook.com/kojo, Sarfo,and also on YouTube shorts.

(51:31):
We're on YouTube or YouTube, butYouTube shorts is where we get
the most engagement. Soyoutube.com/coders, are full. Is
another place that you can findme at, and my website,
codersoffer.com as well. ButInstagram is probably a better
place to see the most currentstuff that I'm

working Yeah. And I mean, if you don't find
them on Instagram, you can findthem everywhere. You

Unknown (51:53):
just named every platform, like only tiktokers,
so like, wherever your platformis, I want to come and
communicate to you in the waysthat our no content is best
delivered on that platform. I'mtrying my best to be organized.
That's very good. We're really

because you have a different population on
every single one because, right,it's good because you helping
everybody. It's differentpeople, because my Facebook
people are very different thanmy Instagram, which is very
different than my Tiktok, myTiktok at this point, it's just
all of my students and theirfriends at this point, but yeah,
thank you so much for coming onthe show and have a good rest of
your day.

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