Satine Phoenix, The Reinvention of a Nerdpreneur - Interview 24 (Part 2) - Nerdpreneur - Grow Your Nerdy Business

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Gamify your life.
That is what you do now.
You are a transformational life coach and
I love the fact that you're using the
nomenclature of nerdom in much of what you're
doing for people to maximize performance.
So maybe you can tell us a little
bit about how you found your way

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into this after the cancellation
and everything that happened there.
How did you find your way
into this new rendition of Satine?
We'll call it a reinvention.
The cancellation happened,
but really it was
a full forced reinvent in reinvention, right?
So this is like power of positive thinking.
This is me going, okay, that happened.
It is not who I am,

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but it was a definitely a
threshold to get over to level up.
So when I was 8,
going through all those horrible
things that I went through as a kid,
I found the red box Dungeons
and Dragons character sheet stories.
And I used to.
I was obsessed with libraries when I was a kid
because I grew up right next door to a library.

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So my grandmother would take
me there every day to play in library.
I'm talking since I was an infant, right?
So I'm just
like surrounded by books. I've minimized.
You can kind of see behind me.
I've got some books, fantasy stories.
I was reading the Hobbit and
Lord of the rings at like 8 years old.
So this is like I'm high level reading,
foundational. Foundational, right? Yeah.

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And then I find this
thing and I'd already known about, like,
choose your own adventures.
Because I used to hang out
at the Library as an 8 year old.
And so I'm just like, oh my gosh,
I'm making this character.
And as these negative
things are happening in my life,
I'm making a character.
So I don't have her here with me.
She's out in the other room. Vlania.
I made Vlania when I was 12 and

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I made her as who I wanted to be.
She had the stats I wanted,
she had the costume,
she had the mentality, the that, you know,
charisma that I wanted. She,
back then she was a thief mage,
because this is AD&D.
But now she's like the COVID
and the main character of
the campaign book that we're writing.
And it's like, wow, okay,

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how can I take this
thing that I knew was real, right?
So I was in Taekwondo,
I was obsessed with.
My dad was in Mensa.
And so I was like, well, I.
I want to be that smart.
So I was like, gradually,
over my entire lifetime,
leveling myself up,
raising my stats. Okay, all right,
I can do this.
I can feel like a badass.

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I feel like I got a pretty okay charisma.
I've got higher.
I have much higher wisdom than I ever expected
that I would have. Dexterity, strength,
a sort of bodybuilding.
And it was like,
I play what's it called? Dragon Age.
I love Dragon Age.
It's so cool. Mass Effect. It's so cool. I

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play all these characters and all these games.
Why don't I literally
just do that for me instead
of sitting in front of a computer, like,
leveling up these characters. And then
all of a sudden I lose the card or, you know,
I stop playing and
I forget how to play and then I,
like lose that character.
Why don't I invest that time into myself?
And so part of my, like

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year and a half of reinvention was like, okay,
who am I? Who am I?
And then I was like, okay,
I can get stronger.
And then I
learned about human design. Human design.
It's super wacky.
So I'm pretty out there.
I'm pretty woo woo. I, like I said,
I've tried a lot of psychedelic therapies.
I don't necessarily believe in astrology,

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but I definitely
am super hardcore into human design.
And basically this guy, like,
I don't even Know how he got into it? I can
assume it was a very creative, quote unquote,
creative spiritual thing.
But one day he channeled something
and it basically overlapped the I Ching,
the chakra system,
the tree of life and quantum physics.

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And it put them all on top of each other, and
he was able to see all of them together, right?
So you're like, ooh, chakra meditation.
Breathe into your chakras,
whatever your aura, blah, blah, blah.
What if all of it were pieces of a puzzle?
And the pieces of
the puzzle were to help you, understand you.
And by understanding yourself,

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you're able to
not have as many
obstacles as you probably have. Able to, like,
be in your rhythm and your flow.
And when I'm in my flow, anything is possible.
I can breathe better,
I can see better,
I can think better.
When I'm not from around
somebody who kind of like grinds
up my flow or sands it, like, resist, like,

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creates this resistance.
I feel.
I don't feel as smart.
I feel like negativity comes in.
And so I was like, okay, cool.
That's a really cool idea.
I laid it out and
I think I showed you guys earlier.
And I'll do it on video,
but we can explain it also.
So I ran Chris's. Can I show.

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Yeah, go ahead. This is my. My human design.
Yeah, this is your human design chart. And
so if you can see, there's like, chakra system,
tree of life. There's just, like,
a lot going on in here.
It breaks down planets,
and it's essentially says,
this is who you are.
This is how you function.
There's like five elements.
There's generators manifesting generators,

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manifestors, projectors, and reflectors.
And there's like the five types. And of course,
I'm a life gamer.
I've been gaming for 33, 34 years.
So it all relates back. I'm like, oh,
I can totally see how this works.
There's your race, your class,
and here it's your type.
And then your profile,
who you are projecting out into the world,

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who you are behind the scenes.
And you're like the threat of your life.
And then there's different parts of your body.
Like in Dungeons and Dragons, there's strength,
dexterity, charisma, wisdom, intelligence,
something else. Constitution. Constitution. And
so I'm like, oh, cool. Well, then, you know,
in the chakra system,

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there's like head, heart, throat,
chakras and all that.
This actually has that.
And so by certain elements being filled in,
you have that within you.
It's more sturdy, more stable.
Some Elements are not filled in. So say your.
Your identity wasn't filled in.
That means that
it's harder for you to kind of, like,
not get play tug of war with people,

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and you might actually start
identifying with other people more.
Or maybe your root system is not filled in.
So it's defined and undefined.
And so I'm going through this. I'm making mine,
and I'm like, this is weird. It's like,
telling me how, like,
if I eat a certain way,
then I will be more in flow.
It tells me if I live in a certain way,
I'll be more in flow.

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And I was like,
how does it know that I'm actually a cave
person who nibbles all through the day?
How does it know that?
And then I ran it for a bunch of other people,
and they're like, this is weird.
It's actually really weird.
And it goes even further and further. There's
like 64 gates from the I Ching, and it, like,
correlates into contemplations.
I'm like, okay, cool, cool, cool.

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There's apps, so you, like,
can learn it very slowly. But really, it's.
I can now see my character sheet.
How cool is that?
How hard has it been?
My whole life thinking, I've
got all this energy and it's hard for people.
I'm a manifesting generator.
It is hard for people.
I am so abundant of life and energy,

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and then I can work for, like,
three months straight, no sleep.
I can just, like, do this stuff,
and I can, like, fulfill projects.
It is the craziest thing. And so I, like,
presented it to someone else,
showed them theirs, and they're like, wow,
I work best when I eat,
when it's light out.
That's weird, right? Super strange. Like,

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who would even think about that?
I work best when I eat in public, in, like,
a marketplace or in, like,
a mall or whatever. And it's like,
that's a thing.
That's an option.
So human design character
sheet of who you are. Then there's,
oh, my God, of course. I'm embarrassing myself.
I cannot like being able

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to remember this other part. Oh, the gene keys.
So there's the who
you are human design character sheet,
and then there's the gene keys. And it's like,
these are a series of contemplations
that you do them in a certain order.
And it's literally like, how to function.
And it's the game system of life.
And it's all about self reflection, right?
And all of this is to say that we

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have we are these beings and
we all have our own character sheets.
And the character sheets teach us how
to relate to ourselves and other people.
And so that's where the game
design came into personal transformation.
And it all comes back to self
and centered and can I accept myself?

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And it's not steered me wrong
or anyone that I run these for wrong.
I have to ask about the Gene key.
Is that like the, you know,
in D and D and many games like it.
There's the action economy. Like,
you've only got so much energy on your turn.
So the gene key helps you determine
what your action economy should be.
Oh, man, that's a good question. Yes.

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Okay.
Yes, it is like, it's also.
It's that and a couple things.
It is that and it is the dungeon.
You can only go forward, back,
left or right at any given time,
depending on what is open to you. Right.
So if you go forward,

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then the next room will only
allow you to go forward and right.
If you go right,
you can only go
right and forward or something. Right.
So it's like it kind of does that.
It is the game.
It's also the action
economy for that specific function.
And the map kind of sounds a bit like.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly. Because all of this is.
And you know,
the interviews that I've been doing on my
podcast just go to show that a lot
of people who are successful can see
how things overlay on top of each other.
And so the Gene Keys are a series of
systems that help you move to
the next stage and level up in your life.
So, yeah, I guess this

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is really about making choices. Right.
Because you even just
the analogy of using the dungeon, it's
like once you make a choice down a dungeon,
you then have
limited choice the next room. Right. Like you.
Once you make a choice to go right,
you have to go,
continue going down that.
But that only has a right or
left or it only has a left or right,
or you can go straight or back. But it's.

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I think that's a
really interesting way in which to.
I guess if you were sitting down and
coaching someone to put a frame of
reference for someone to be able to make
powerful choices so that they can make
better and more strategic choices long term.
Absolutely. And what I, What I notice
is that it creates confidence.
There's a lot of things that, you know,
we go through our lives.

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By your time, you're 30, 40, 50, 60, man,
you have had people
project all their shit onto you.
You just have people
want to tell you how you should be,
how you should look
how you should function. And honestly,
I have seen people burst into tears
because they finally feel acceptance
and it's their own acceptance. Like, oh my God,

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this validates that I'm different
and that my different is so unique
and special to me that it's actually a
superpower and other people are not going
to understand it except for that I do.
Well. And so this human design,
this essentially like me
being able to see my character sheet,

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you do this for people in, like,
I know you have a free 30 minute
consultation that people can book with you and
is that where you start with people? Or like,
what would people
expect in that sort of consultation?
So the 30 minute consultation
is what are you looking for? Right,
where are you now?
What are some of the roadblocks
that you've got that you feel
are getting in the way of your dreams?

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And so it's me listening, it's game mastering.
I've literally listened
and I like a session zero.
It's a session zero, exactly, totally.
So I session zero them.
I listen to them and their
wants and their needs and their
dreams and what they're capable of,
what they're not capable of.
And then if it's a good fit,
I explain what I,
what I do and how I am.

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They're the captain
of the ship and I'm the navigator, right?
They say where they want to
go and I will help get them there. But
really I work with them to get them there. I
don't just tell them what to do. I have ideas.
And we do start off with like, just track your,
track yourself and your awareness
right now and see where you are.
And then we can go and we develop

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a plan together based off of my, like,
suggestions and stuff.
But a lot of times my clients, like,
they have the wisdom inside themselves.
They already know who they
want to be and how to get there.
But really it's just,
they need a little coaxing, right?
So the 30 minute session is
just us getting to know each other.
Do we vibe well?

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Am I the right fit for them?
And then usually it's like, okay,
we'll work together for a
month or three months or six months. And
if it's more than a month, I'm just like, okay,
let's do this human design
thing because it's so important.
Some people who want to invest
for a minimal short time, they're,
they're there to do a specific thing.

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Sometimes it'll be,
I want help with advertising,
help me design my Kickstarter. Cool. All right.
I can project, manage that's cool. You're
hiring me to be your project manager. Great.
I'm really good at that.
Other people who are like three months,
six months, one year, it's like, okay,
we're in this to win this.

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Because eventually I fade off into the
distance and they are the characters
that they've been wanting to be and so.
Which is not a really good business model.
I guess if I say it out loud, I was wondering.
I will say this is actually a great thing to do
because when you give things away. Yeah. One,

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you're living in abundance.
That's already important
because there's enough for everybody.
And it's not about the knowledge.
It's about the doing.
As Bruce Lee would say.
Yeah.
Not in those exact words.
That's not an exact quote,
but it was perfect. It's close.
Don't close to that. But yeah.
But he did say something around, you know,
you have to actually act.
You can't just think about it. So.

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Reciprocation is also a very,
very powerful marketing tool. And
so the idea of giving first, providing that,
creating authority, creating reciprocation,
all those things can lead into people
wanting to spend more with you
and spend more time to get the result.
And it's not easy to do all this stuff alone.

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I've done coaching,
and I've also been coached.
I was able to do a lot of stuff on my own.
But the value in having a coach.
Maybe you could speak a little bit about that
because I think we're dancing around, like,
the real moment. But, like,
why should people even consider getting
coach or getting outside help from

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someone like yourself or anyone else
who they resonate with if it's not you?
You know? And that's the point.
It's the resonating. Right. It's. You're.
I have a therapist,
and I had this really massive moment where I'm.
There's research that shows
that when you talk about things, it, like,
kind of drags you into it even deeper and more.

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But when you write them down,
journaling is a huge thing.
I do that every morning.
When you write it down,
it gets it out of your system.
And literally using a pen or pencil
or writing utensil is more powerful than, like,
texting or typing it.
So people go to therapy
and there's a lot of different modalities,
and I'm a big fan of them.
Like internal family systems, emdr. Like,

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there's some really good stuff, but it doesn't.
It's a lot of going into the past and, like,
crunching on Stuff. Right.
It's a lot of seeing yourself,
parts of yourself that are not your
favorites and crunching on it and moving
and weaving yourself through with coaching.
It's accepting where you are,

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where you've been and how to move forward.
And that forward momentum is what I see.
Coaching is the most
important part of coaching. It's okay, cool.
You have someone else
to talk to about that here.
We're going to go forward,
and when we come to a road bump,
then we're going to do some.
A couple little therapeutic things that can
be helpful to get you over that road bump.

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I'm not your therapist.
I'm your buddy. I'm your, like, bff.
I'm going to be here,
and my job is to
be here for this particular thing. Right?
And I see you,
and I accept you,
and you can do no wrong. And that's like.
That's what a coach is. I mean,
there's definitely the, oh, okay, well,
you're going left,
but we want you to go right. Right.

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And there's the accountability part.
So with my therapist, I can just, like,
go over and ruminate
and over and over and over, but
she's not going to be like, all right, Sateen.
Like, you. You've
been ruminating on this for, like,
a month and a half. Like, come on,
we got to move forward.
Your coach is going to tell you that.
Your coach is going to say, this is great.
It's not getting you where you
want to go. So let's, like, let's. Let's do it.

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Let's talk about this thing that
you're kind of bringing up very slowly,
very little get out. Like,
not get over it. And
this is where internal family systems comes in.
And I am not a therapist, however,
I love this practice.
You bring up the thing that's your roadblock.
You see it,
you understand the things that
have been that are involved with it. You say,
thank you for protecting me.

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We're going to put the protector over here,
and we're going to go in and really
get intimate with that part of my past
that's causing that roadblock. All acceptance.
Nothing gets kicked out,
nothing gets shamed,
nothing gets buried.
It's all about awareness. And, you know,
by being able to, like,
love and bring that attention to your shadow or
your past or whatever and say, hey, protector,

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who was protecting
that small part of me who, like,
barks and curses at people?
What do you want to do now? Like, like,
I don't know. I want to, like, sing. Cool.
Why don't you sing instead of like,
being this negative part of me.
We'll take that energy and we're
going to transform it into something else.
And now you've got no roadblock. In fact,
you have allies,
and these are the allies within you who you've

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been training your entire life to help you,
and they really want to help you.
And now you can have them help you
in a very beneficial way instead
of a holding you down kind of way.
And there's so much to value in having
someone who's in your corner for you.
And in the times

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that I've been coached effectively,
it's lots of different things.
Sometimes it is figuring out where
your barriers are and unlocking them
and going deep with therapist, like, stuff.
And sometimes it's just like,
I need a cheerleader for like five
minutes just to give me a little
boost because today was a little hard.
Or I need something like the value in just
having someone in your corner that is able to

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be the thing that you're
probably not getting from the
other people in your life and you don't,
and you shouldn't putting it on.
Them, you know, like, exactly.
I talk to businesses all the time where
they're like solopreneurs and they're trying to
make their vision of a business go forward,
and it's this really special thing for them,
and they're the only person. They're like.

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I always say people are generally
delusional about their success at first.
And they have to be.
You have to be,
if you're an entrepreneur,
a little bit delusional about your success.
And when you're like that and you go
home to your husband or wife or partner,
or you go to, you know,
your friends or anybody else like that,
and you're just like,

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this is what happened today.
This is how it is. And this is,
what should I do?
Or how do I do it?
And you're playing all of this on them.
All of a sudden you're taking the.
You're taking that energy that is bad.
And you're putting it on your relationship,
which is not going to cause it to be better.
It's only going to
cause more stress and more problem.
And you think it's hard running a business,
Try running a business while

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you're also going through divorce. Like,
it's actually way harder.
Yeah, totally. So.
And I've seen that kind of stuff in
the business that I work in day to day,
and we do a lot of coaching and stuff.
And one of the biggest reasons I think
people should consider being in the right
communities and being around coaches or
people like that is you're offlaying
all that pressure and that stress

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that you might be putting on other people,
and you're putting it into a dedicated
space where they're professionally
able to handle it and help you
through it and give you what you need,
not what you want,
what you really need in those moments. And
so that's my little plug for getting coaching.
Yeah, totally.
Self a shot, you know.
Yeah. Because, like, people come to me

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and they're in a low point in
their life or they're on their way up,
but they want to, like, really
get it right this time and like laser focus.
And that's why I say gamify it.
Because can you talk about what gamify is?
Because some people may
not know exactly what that means.
Yeah.
And it's a kind of a buzzword in business,
I'm going to say, like,
I've heard a lot about.
Oh, is it?

(22:32):
We're gamifying this and that means
we're adding badges or we're doing that. Like,
what does that mean for people? Because
it is kind of a buzzword. Yes, exactly. Right.
Yeah. It's about seeing the
world in a new light. It's about play. Right.
I got literally tattooed on my throat.
It's about play. You know,

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you go to a job,
you work this job over and over,
you have this life, you know,
you get up, you get ready, go to work,
you get off work, you go home, you make dinner.
It's like this monotonous thing.
What if you could see life as a fun thing?
Something that literally changes every
five years because your body cannot
sustain the same thing for more
than five or seven years because you

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change and you evolve and you level up.
And so to gamify your.
To gamify your life is to see yourself and your
life as this fun, playful, long experience.
And so we create habits that
are kind of like playing a video game.

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And some people don't play video games,
but they like board games.
And some people don't like board games,
they like phone games.
And some people don't like phone games,
they like crossword puzzles.
It's all about that. That
thing that gets you to keep doing the thing.
And that's the baseline.
How can you get yourself to
do the thing that you need to do?
And when you gamify it,
you're not just like saying,

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I want to be this character
that's level 20. You're saying, I want to.
I want to be that character.
I want to know the path to get there.
I want to know what the system is to get there.
What do I need to play in order to do that?
Because not all games are the same.
I don't like horror films.
I don't like horror games. I like weird,
random puzzle games sometimes. Other

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times I like, you know, social encounters.
And I want that for a really long time.
But then I also want to change it.
And so I want to actually
play different games throughout my life.
So that's gamifying it.
I feel like you.
One of the first things you told us makes
absolute sense about how you kind of

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mapped out where you are now and the steps.
You've just talked about it a bit,
but mapping out the steps of, you know,
at this age I'm going to be here,
at this age I'm going to be there. And that's
the kind of person I would want in a coach,
is someone who's like, yeah,
I've mapped it out before. Yeah,
I know how this works.
I know that when I make this goal,

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I also have to acknowledge
that that goal may not be.
Be the goal when I get there.
Yes, exactly.
You nailed it. Because, like, good.
The grass is always greener. And
then you get there and you're like, oh, my God,
I'm not even on the same planet.
There's no grass here.
There's actually no grass. It's all cement.

(25:20):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I always say, like, the
grass is greener wherever you water it.
And it's actually important to remember that
we take care of our own lawns. So it's part.
Part of it might be hiring a professional
gardener who can show you how to do that. Oh,
that's such a good one.
I love it.
I like that.
So let me maybe before we.

(25:42):
I know we're running lower on time, but
I wanted to get to random roles in a second.
But I just wanted to ask one more thing
which I think will be great also for you,
is could you maybe tell us a little bit
about who is the right kind of candidate
for your style of coaching and what is your
ideal client and what they might look like.
So people might
to hear this and think, oh, that's me.
Absolutely. I first, I want to say

(26:04):
I am so invigorated right now.
I love this conversation.
You guys are really fun to talk to and
you're so insightful and it's just like,
I just am having such a good time. I really
hope to meet you guys in person and, like,
go out for coffee
or play games or something. Heck, yeah.
You too. Thank you.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
This has been a blast to do this. Yeah, yeah.

(26:26):
The perfect candidate.
So there's people who know business,
they understand business,
but it's hard for
them to relate it to their life. Right.
They can go to work,
they can make a lot of money,
they can manage people, but they.
They don't know how to make that

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functional in their human lives. Right.
And so that's like, okay,
I can speak that language to that person.
I can turn it like that.
Then there's people who are, like,
at a very low point in their life,
and they just want joy.
One gentleman was like,
I want some of your joy.
I was like, I got you.
We're going to have so much joy. And,

(27:09):
you know, he said, like, I won't.
This is what I'm looking for.
These are my difficulties.
And I'm like, cool, that's awesome. Like,
I got you.
We can do it.
And then we'll, like, you know, many goals, so
we'll probably work together for a long time.
And so it's like,
people want to form good habits.
People want to have, like,
they have a goal,
they want to get there. Some people,

(27:29):
they're just like,
help me with my business.
I don't understand marketing.
I don't understand, you know, Kickstarter.
I don't understand how
to put all these elements together.
And so I also do that. And it's
always about showing them themselves, right?
So people who want joy, people

(27:49):
who want to integrate business into their life,
people who want to play. And, like,
I guess that's where the joy part is.
It's not even just like, I want joy. It's like,
where do you get yours
and how can I get mine? Right? And that's
where the human design comes in. It's like,
I know literally where yours is.
I can tell you.

(28:10):
And then we can, like, you know,
we can actually level that up.
I also hear that you are. This.
This is coming from such an interesting
place for you, I think, from, you know,
the photo of your life that we are having,
we are sharing right now that I'm
seeing is joy you are manifesting.

(28:30):
You are fostering joy,
and you're wanting to bring this. I mean,
you said it in the beginning.
The thing that you knew from a young age that
you wanted to do was to help people. People,
and you wanted to find all
the different ways you could do it.
And that was your common
thread through your tapestry was,
I want to help people.
Yeah.
And it's so cool
that not only are you just. Yeah, I'M here.

(28:52):
I'm going to be a coach.
I'm going to help people.
But it's also like,
I think you even
said this earlier, helping people. And what.
And how that helps me,
how that helps the
individual that does the helping.
Yeah, I mean, it's play, right. They're
finding that play is more healing, like,
than almost anything else.
They're finding that you can overcome

(29:15):
obstacles when you're with other people.
To separate a person
from the world is so detrimental.
But just like, yeah, heal through play.
And maybe play is just awesome banter.
Maybe that's it.
Maybe play is being a cheerleader.
Maybe that's it.

(29:36):
Maybe I am a game master
and I can't help but, like, you know,
find people to life with. To life, not live,
but life with.
And to human with. You know,
Dungeons and Dragons is one game.
Right.
It's just a small,
small little sphere in this experience of life.

(29:58):
Just one example.
Yeah, exactly. Because, like,
Cthulhu is really good.
That's a really fun game. I mean,
I was just about to.
Say Star Trek Adventures.
I've been on a huge kick on that.
Oh, really?
I'm a big time Star Trek fan and I.
Ever since I really made that full
leap into being the GM with both feet,
there's been such a healing journey for myself.

(30:18):
So that's immediately what
I thought of with what you just said.
Thanks. It took a lot of courage
to admit that I wanted to be a coach.
I was so embarrassed.
And I was like,
I am not qualified. And I'm like, actually,
I have certifications. I actually am. But.
And that was me in my own way.
And then somebody was like, actually,

(30:40):
you were way qualified
because you actually faced your shadow.
You were publicly humiliated and destroyed.
You were burned like a phoenix. Right.
Burned into ashes and literally
had to crawl and rise back up. I mean,
that is not an easy thing.
And I was like, wow, thank you.

(31:01):
Thank you for that perspective,
because I know that I have value
and I just didn't know for so long, like,
what to do with all of my experience.
But this feels good.
This feels absolutely perfect. Yeah.
And more sustainable and healthier.
Yeah, right?
I bet.

(31:22):
So I'm hearing also,
if somebody has imposter syndrome,
they might be a good candidate for you as well,
because there are a lot of people. It's a.
It's a consistent subject
that we have on our show, really,
where they're like,
I didn't really know that
I was going to be a business owner.
I just wanted to do this thing.
And then someone Said it was really good.
Could I buy that?
And then I'm like, oh, sure,

(31:42):
I'll make one for you.
And then 10 people wanted it,
and then a hundred people wanted it.
And now I'm selling these things all the time.
And I didn't think I was a business.
So there's a lot of that process
where you stumble into nerdpreneur.
It's very consistent in our guests.
They just followed their passion and then
they had to figure out the business side.
And if we can help people streamline

(32:02):
that in some capacity by them
listening to this or checking out our
patreon or signing up for coaching with
you or doing any of these kind of things.
I think that's really one of our main
objectives here is to help people
streamline that imposter syndrome of like,
am I a business person?
Can I be a. Yes,
you absolutely can be.
And you're allowed to
screw it up for a little while.
Yes.
To that point where you're successful.

(32:24):
Here's the thing.
That comment I said where I don't know if I
could do that was the only time in my life that
I ever had a semblance of imposter syndrome.
When you were in Artist,
you just know it. It just, it just exists.
It's just here you just are.
And then you figure it out.
You know that like over there, that.

(32:45):
That's over here is like
when you've been doing it for 20 years,
the time is not necessarily linear. Right.
It all exists all at the same time.
And therefore you can't be an imposter.
The person who makes $100 million right now.
There was a point
in their life where they didn't.
There was a point
in their life where they were five.

(33:05):
Yeah. You know, any, any man or woman
that is in the arena is not an imposter.
Yes.
Well, and sometimes you just gotta,
like there is the saying,
fake it till you make it.
And I think that there is, like,
it's not a long term goal.
You really can't fake it forever.
So you have to live with integrity. However,

(33:26):
to get yourself on the field,
it's okay to fake it.
You know what I mean? Like,
it's okay to pretend like you're an
entrepreneur or that you're really good at
this at first just to get yourself out there.
It's level one.
It's just level one.
It's level one. I love that. Right.
You're just getting your first level.
You're getting your first experience.
And get yourself to level

(33:47):
two by telling yourself I'm a fighter.
I was really curious, actually,
because we do ask everybody this,
or almost everybody this.
What is your definition of a nerd?
Oh,
I feel like it's changed over time
because I was.

(34:07):
I identified with being a nerd as,
like a tabletop gamer,
as a nerd. Someone who gets, like.
Who got bullied in the 80s,
because I was raised in the 80s,
who got like garbage can and food thrown
at them and humiliated in public. And like,
I was the school nerd. Right.
And so I basically,
it was the nerd was the person that everyone

(34:28):
would ridicule and. Yeah, man. Oh, wow.
That's a flood of memories. Yeah, just like,
just a horrible experience.
And then Revenge of the Nerds came out.
And then being a
nerd was cool, you know, and that.
But even that wasn't like, what we know.
And so there was a. Did
this podcast called Game School a while ago,

(34:48):
and we were negotiating what's
the difference between geek and nerd?
And then it was,
if you're into entertainment
and games and comic books,
then you're a geek. That's a geek.
But a nerd was
somebody who's like, equal, obsessive. Right.

(35:09):
But more into like science and
computers and technology and the universe.
That's what I remember.
We had dissected it into. But
I feel like over the last 10 years, 15 years,
it kind of even got more concise.
So a geek.
Who even says geek anymore? Nobody says geek.

(35:29):
We don't.
Yeah, I don't think it's even in. In the ether.
But a nerd is somebody
who likes Game of Thrones, likes video games,
likes adventure movies,
and like, that's it. Like,
just kind of into entertainment
that has a fantasy or sci fi twist.
I have no short answers, by the way.

(35:51):
That's okay.
We'll get you in the rapid fire.
Working real short answers.
All right,
so random rolls. That one. Random rolls.
In this one,
we're going to ask you questions that
are less serious and more fun. So go ahead,
we'll do a couple of them.
And let's start off with just your first roll.

(36:11):
Yeah. D100.
So these are the sirens.
Bar dice is the ink.
Inkwell and ink pen.
All right, how does that even roll?
I don't understand. It's.
It goes sideways.
You roll it sideways.
Chris.
It stops eventually.
Chris, I'll send you some links.
I'll get you out there.
Perfect.
All right, 20. Okay, that one has to go. So 29.

(36:33):
29.
If you were to have a dinosaur as a pet,
which one would be Your favorite.
A raptor.
Immediate answer. Yeah.
Why? Because they're cute. They go like this.
How big, though? How big is cute? When does.
When does a raptor no longer become cute?

(36:56):
Oh, it's got to be like a baby.
Like, the little tiny.
And then I would have to
raise it so it wouldn't kill me.
So Ark survival evolved style.
Did you ever play arc?
No.
Okay. All right. You breed dinosaurs.
I've seen it, though.
Yeah? Yeah.
Oh, really? Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, cool. Yeah.
So baby dinosaur, baby raptor.

(37:16):
Baby baby raptor.
And then raise it, feed it,
and then they love you. And that's.
That's the pet. When it's bigger.
Although I have heard.
I don't know if this is
true because I'm not a dinosaur nerd,
but I have heard that raptors
were all really small and that
there was another one that was bigger,
that was a totally different. Like,
it was in the same, you know, genus,
but it was a slightly different species.

(37:37):
I don't know.
I could be wrong about that.
But if you are a dinosaur
nerd and you're listening, please chime in.
We want to know the answer to this. All right,
let's roll another one.
All right, 73.
All right.
Is there anything that you are waiting
for from Wizards of the coast or D and

(37:59):
D for them to actually release and do?
No, not at all.
It's a perfect question.
I wanted to make sure
there was no anticipation anymore.
It was Eberron,
and once Eberron came out, that was good. Yeah.
And Spelljammer ships. I'm just.
I like Spelljammer just for the ships.
I do a lot of Astral Plane stuff, too.

(38:19):
Yeah, the Astral Plane is super fun.
It's just weird. Like, my head, it's so weird.
Oh, and you can have anything in it.
It's literally space.
There could be anything there.
So why do you love Eberron? I'm curious. Like,
what is it about that.
Oh, I'm so glad you asked. That's the
question that I didn't know I want asked.
It's arcana punk. Right.

(38:40):
It's like magic,
but they've got air shifts. Yeah.
And the colors are right spot on.
It's like blues, purples, pinks, golds.
It is the coolest. Also,
I love the idea that Droam is a
civilization of monsters who are smart and are
trying to integrate with the rest of humanity,

(39:02):
but the rest
of the societies are like, no, we won't.
We don't accept you for being actual
creatures because we're monsters. Right. Yeah.
I didn't know.
Yeah.
It is so cool. Yeah. Droam.
It's called Dram.
Dram. Got it.
And it's. Yeah,
it's run by these three hags. It's pretty cool.
Tell me more.

(39:22):
Maybe not right now,
but it's the Sisters of Sorakel.
And they're really cool,
but I really like that they're Medusas and
there's harpies and also that goblins are cute.
And then the Tlings and then the Minotaurs.
Are they all good, aligned?
Well, that's the thing.
It's a post war game, right. So basically,
a nuclear blast went off,

(39:43):
took out an entire country.
And so it's like, post war,
what is good and what is evil?
And so I love that I. Obviously,
through this conversation,
you could probably get that I.
Nothing is black and white.
Everything's got to be, like,
shades of interesting.
And so this game is pure shades of interesting.
Nice. Yeah, go ahead. Roll one more, please.

(40:04):
43.
If you.
Wow. This is. Wow. Weird. Okay. If you were
able to learn a skill like Neo from the Matrix,
learned kung fu,
what skill would you choose?
Like a real skill or a superhero skill?
Real, I guess. I guess has to work
within the Matrix. So, yeah, probably real.

(40:29):
Oh, man. Okay, so I would learn the skill
of using all my senses.
And that is to say I would
want to be hypersensitive and aware. I
do a lot of meditation, but also, like, energy,
you know, that's. That's real.
Toroidal fields are real.
And so I would want to like, have heightened

(40:52):
sense of, like, sound, sight, energy. And then.
Because what happens is,
since we are all the same,
and we are all, you know, energy,
the same energy, you can actually, like, feel.
If you can work it good enough, you
can get the skill of being able to like, read
people and feel people around you, but, like,
at a distance.

(41:12):
It's really cool.
Magicians do this really well.
Like stage magicians.
I used to play with one as a friend.
We were just like, nerd out.
And we would do this energy
thing where we'd put each other, our hands up,
and we'd walk backwards
until we stopped feeling each other.
And it got to a point where we were on, like,
opposite sides of the room.
So heightened senses.

(41:32):
And that is a human skill.
Well, we used to do contact improv
type stuff in theater school. And it's like,
there's sort of a general vibe of that.
And you would go, like,
theater school is all about that energy, too,
because you would go at. Well,
you would do that.
And then they would also say, okay,
now bring your level to 1,
give it to 8,
and then get to 10.

(41:53):
And you would feel the difference in, like,
not changing your actions,
just consciously changing your level of
energy and how that impacts your presence
on stage or when you're in front of people.
So there is something there.
And I think if you had a heightened
version of being able to sense that,
you could probably feel through.
Yeah, of course, I say that and like,
500 things just pop into my mind.

(42:14):
But I'm going to stick with that one.
Cool. That's awesome. Let's
do one more random roll.
Okay, this is great. 96.
So here's an interesting one.
Name one person that you
would like to interview for 60 Minutes.

(42:36):
Oh, God.
We did it. Chris. We broke her.
Yeah, you broke me. Because it comes down.
I've been like, they should. They be.
They should be alive.
They should be alive.
I mean,
we've never really discussed it the first time
this question has come up, so no pressure, but.
Oh, okay.
But.

(42:56):
But I know.
I don't know, Frank,
should we do alive and dead or anyone alive?
Because I feel like if we do alive,
maybe we can be able to get it to happen.
I want to get this name right.
I'd go with, yeah, alive.
Yeah, anyone alive. Let's stay with that.
But if you have a good dead answer, I'm.
I'm open to hearing it, too.

(43:17):
Let's see.
The biggest thing that has helped me in my life
has been internal family systems therapy.
I explained to you a little bit.
And his name is Richard Schwartz.
I would love to figure this out.
So he was a family therapist,
and then by doing family therapy,
he created this like,

(43:37):
35 years ago or 40 years ago.
And by doing family therapy,
he realized that we have this entire, like,
this interiority that is, like,
not fractured, but, like, pieced
together as like an internal family system.
And we relate to ourselves.
I want to interview him so bad because I like.

(43:58):
I mean, that
is kind of a massive
groundbreaking thing to figure out. Right.
And I know he's got
more nuggets inside of his head.
I just know it.
I get that. Yeah.
If Joseph Campbell was still around,
he'd be my answer.
Oh, it's a good one. Yeah.
You've read from.
When I read your about.
It sounded like you
have read a bunch of his stuff.

(44:18):
And I have a book that I wrote
called the Action Heroine's Journey.
The last copies are right here.
And it's all based off of.
I'm a huge fan.
I Have his stuff.
Power of myth
and Symbol on VHS still. Yeah. Super amazing.
Trying to get my hands on something to see it.
But the idea of just like the nuggets,
every paragraph is a run on sentence,

(44:40):
but it is such a solid idea on its own.
And it's like,
what else does he have in that noggin? Like,
what else is he not written?
You're so right
about the run on sentence, though.
We actually did an episode talking about
Joseph Campbell and just one nugget and. Yeah,
and the excerpt I read,
I was waiting for the period and I
realized it wasn't ever going to happen.

(45:03):
I do seminars on storytelling and
I do it for businesses and teams
and I also help people for like, you know,
making adventures.
But it's like a 90 minute seminar and I.
It's just a love letter to Joseph Campbell.
I will, I'm gonna. I'll email you about that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll let you know
when our episode may or may not be out, people,

(45:25):
if you're listening.
So they'll find it. It's. Yeah,
we're not quite sure where that one's dropping,
but it's a really good episode.
Oh, so exciting.
All right, well, that's random rules.
Let's go on over to Rapid Fire.
So in Rapid Fire,
these are quick and silly,
more than where we've already been. So
I'm going to start off with a classic of mine.

(45:45):
Star Trek or Star Wars.
Yes.
Yes is an acceptable answer.
Even though Star Trek is bad.
It is.
I'm not hiding anything on that one.
All right,
what about DC or Marvel?
Marvel.
Okay.

(46:07):
Didn't give me enough time, Chris,
to pick another one.
Best Spider man actor.
The last one.
The Tom Holland.
That's him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Predator or aliens?
Predator.
Favorite munchie.
What's a munchie?

(46:27):
Snack food.
Steak.
Nice. That's actually
my favorite tip for being.
A snack or a munchy.
I'm a biohacker.
Yeah, that's right. Grass
fed beef all day. All right. It's the best.
How about this best weird owl parody?

(46:48):
Oh, I'm. I'm bad. I'm a bit bad.
Bad.
Yeah. You know, I'm fat. I'm fat.
Fat. That one. Yes.
Yeah, because it came out when I was a kid,
so I like memorized it, of course.
And I love food. So, so funny.
The video was so funny too.

(47:09):
Zombie apocalypse.
Weapon of choice.
Okay. I was really hoping somebody
somewhere at some time would ask me this.
It's not necessarily a weapon,
but it's my Solution to the zombie apocalypse.
It's called Kango boots.
And I'm the only one that
owns these as far as I know,

(47:29):
because they came out.
They look like rollerblades,
but they've got these
like bungee things on the bottom.
And so in Santa Monica,
I used to train in them.
And you could run on difficult terrain,
but you could leap like 5,
10ft in the air. It is incredible. I
worn them at Burning Man. Like, they're great,
but also so nerdy.
Oh, I cannot wear them in

(47:49):
public without getting laughed at. But yeah,
that's my super secret zombie apocalypse thing.
To get to those places that they can't reach.
And can you,
can you with them,
can you leap over like six feet high, people?
No, I haven't tried that. Okay, but if you're,
if you need to run away from zombies,
you jump as high as you need to jump, right?
I mean, we all
know their arms can't go above here,

(48:10):
like above their shoulders.
Oh, yeah, yeah, we all know that.
And even if they did, like, well.
Their arms don't even.
They don't really use finger. Like,
it doesn't seem like they're that great.
They're all jaw. It's all jaws.
Exactly. There's one thing that moves
their feet and their hat. What's. Okay,
how many cats is too many cats?

(48:31):
Ten.
Ten.
Say ten.
That's a lot of cats. So nine. You're still in.
Well, it depends on the size
of the house. Right. My best friend. Friend.
He lives in this huge loft in the brewery.
And it is a big loft.
I think at one point maybe
I shouldn't be saying this publicly.
It was like seven, like seven cats,

(48:52):
but it was so big that like you didn't see
them all except when it was feeding time
and you're like, ah, that would.
I'd be startled.
I would definitely be startled.
Yeah. Feeding a lot of cats is an experience.
It's like they go a little crazy.
Speaking of cats,
what Hogwarts house are you in?
Cats. Oh, I am. Knew it. I mean,

(49:16):
I would tell you that I am Gryffindor.
Yes, yes, I too am in Raven.
I feel like there's
like an extra to that, but no.
Yes.
So Lord of the Rings,
the books or the movies?
Books.
Yeah, I kind of. Kind of saw that

(49:37):
one coming a mile away.
Yeah, I like books a lot.
Who is more evil,
Dolores Umbridge or Voldemort?
I mean, Voldemort.
What's your answer here?
Yeah, well, for me, I
would probably do Dolores,
just because it's Such like a.

(49:57):
She's more of this internal obstacle that.
That the hero has to get used.
Has to find a way to like. It's.
It's more of how
do they solve it within themselves, you know,
she's less of a.
I'm going to fight her and defeat her.
Whereas Voldemort's like,
this is a matter of life and death.
I accept.
Yeah. No one feels. No one will feel bad

(50:20):
if you just like Avada Kerdavra Voldemort.
But you can't do that to Dolores Umbra Bridge.
Yeah.
Because she's all dressed up
in pink and she works for the
government and she's very nice to you.
So there's a real.
She's lawful evil.
She makes it hard.
Yeah, it's a little scarier now that.
You'Re, like, evil
and part of the government. Like,
you can't easily get rid of a person

(50:41):
that's a part of the government. Lawful evil.
Yeah, you know. Totally. Totally.
So since we're on the Harry Potter train,
I want to ask
what would be your Patronus? What animal?
Rpg. You can't see her. She's over here.
That's my cat.
She's a Russian blue cat.
Her name is A R, P, E, E, G E, E or rpg.

(51:05):
Oh, my gosh.
I actually did see
her on one of your recent reels. Yeah.
So she's
just such a Disney cat. Oh, my God, yes.
By Disney cat,
do you mean she's like a sucker for the.
The camera or.
She literally
looks like a cartoon cat. She's got,
like the big button, round eyes.

(51:26):
And she's so romantic. She like, everybody.
She does this too.
So nobody's special here. But she'll like,
you walk into the house,
suddenly you're on your back on the couch
and she's on your chest and you're like,
how the hell did I get here?
And then she looks into your eyes
and she wraps her hand like this
around your face and cuddles with it.

(51:48):
And all of a sudden her
face is right here and you're like.
She just starts giving you little kisses.
I'm like Every person
that comes into my apartment. And yeah,
she's the romantic cat.
Nice, that would be quite the Patronus.
Just shows up and just like,
how did I get on my back? Oh, my gosh,
I'm so disarmed. Wait,

(52:09):
where did the person
go that I was attacking? Oh, yeah, exactly.
Oh, it's my turn.
What show was ended too soon?
Torchwood and Fringe. Fringe. Fringe.
Yeah, I've Heard of that one.

(52:30):
It's a really good one.
A lot of the episodes.
This is another Nerdom thing of mine.
Another one of the.
All of the episodes had, like,
scientists from MIT and Harvard as, like, fact
checkers because it's all about. It's like,
the supernatural and, like,
science and aliens and stuff. It's really cool.

(52:51):
Oh, yes. Aliens. That. That was the.
That was the thing I needed. Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Was there also. So that. Actually,
we have this question on here.
So I was gonna ask,
do you believe in aliens?
I think so. I mean,
I don't not believe in aliens.
That's an interesting way to say it.
Yeah.
It's like.

(53:11):
I don't know what the answer was.
Yeah. You know, if you consider
the infinity of the universe, it's
hard to not believe in them in some capacity.
I have not been introduced
personally in this current timeline.
As far as, you know?
As far as I know. I mean, there's like.
I went to a Starseed Festival. Like,

(53:32):
people have had experiences. I've.
I've spoken with people
who've had very interesting experiences,
and I would never discount
them and their experience. Like, you can't.
You can't fake some of this stuff.
And at the same time,
I've never had an experience.
So I don't know.
It's. It's tough. There's so many
people that talk about it,
and there's so many people. Like, it's hard to.

(53:56):
When there's that much experience out there,
for people to share,
for it to not have
some semblance of it being evidence.
But it is all anecdotal.
It is all circumstantial.
And so there's no, like, hard
line evidence in the same way. But there is.
There's a lot there.
I've had a lot of psychedelic experiences, and

(54:17):
I've had interactions in these experiences, but
they were not in this dimension. So, therefore,
is it an alien?
Is it not?
I don't know.
How do you know?
I would like to meet one.
You said you play video games. Is that right?
I do sometimes.

(54:39):
We all need what I like to call a nothing box.
A place where we go to just do nothing.
Maybe you don't need a nothing box,
but someone like me, I do.
What game would you
play when you need the nothing box?
So I love this game,
and it goes on and on and on and on.
It's called Two Dots. That's it. It's two dots.

(55:02):
And in the two dots, you connect dots.
There's a game called the Watcher
Is it called the Watcher, where you. It's.
You're on an island. The Witness.
That's what it is called, the Witness.
And you're on this island,
and you walk up to a platform.
It's kind of mist. Like,
you walk up to this platform,

(55:23):
and then you connect a
dot down a line to another dot,
and then you follow the chords
from that machine over to another place.
And then you take that dot,
goes to another dot to another dot,
and the entire game
teaches you how to play this game.
And it gets very complicated.
You're using the horizon to connect
things and, like, depth. Like, it's crazy.

(55:43):
This is a tiny,
tiny version of that. It is.
It is so cute.
And it is not complicated.
And it activates this, like,
grindy puzzle part of my brain.
But it's almost like,
you know when people play, like,
Bejeweled or, you know, like the. The slice.
The ninja slice. Fruit games.

(56:04):
Fruit. Ninja fruit.
That one. Yeah.
It's like that to me, except for it's, like,
really difficult and, like, satisfying.
Nice.
Cool. It's, like, puzzly.
Yeah, it's, like, really hard.
But, yeah, it's funny because it doesn't
sound hard to connect two dots, but I. Like,
it intrigues me.
I will look it up now.

(56:24):
Yeah. And
if you get addicted to it, let me know.
Okay. Is there a referral program?
If I have done.
If I have done God's work.
So subtitles on or off?
Depends on what I'm doing.
Well, subtitle. I'm curious. Like,
what does it depend on?

(56:44):
I
think I like subtitles.
Trying to think
of the last time I used subtitles.
I feel like it was like
watching Game of Thrones or something.
Yeah, Something with
lots of low dialogue. Because sound.
It just sucks now. Like,
I don't know why we

(57:05):
can have all this amazing technology,
but we can't make people and actors
sound good through my speakers on my tv.
Yeah. Yeah. Or if I'm, like,
out somewhere and I'm, like,
watching TV on my phone,
I really actually watch a lot of tv,
so I'll be like, on my phone,
so I'll have subtitles.
So if I'm in public,
I can just read it and
I don't have headset or something. Um, but I.

(57:27):
As an artist,
I spend a lot of time by myself. And
when I'm making and editing things, I, like,
need TV on.
It sounds weird when I say it out loud.
No, that's okay. I'm. I'm
from the same generation I was, you know,
I'm almost 40, so I.
I think that that was just how.
We just had TV on all the time.

(57:49):
All the time. All the time. Like, yeah,
during dinner, like,
at school, like, everywhere. Like,
there was always tv. And I
know we got these phones things now, but, like,
it's not the same as having
just this running drone
of things in the background. I get it. Like,
I often have to have something on.
I even didn't get bring a TV into
this house when I moved here in December.
And then I found myself just using my iPad,

(58:10):
and I could take it in any room.
Right, Right. Nice.
My. My last rapid fire. Here
is the last three books you've read.
Oh. $1 million leads by Alex Hermosi.
It's a great book.

(58:30):
Oh, man. Are you on school yet?
Not yet, but I just got. Okay. I did sign up.
I have not checked it out.
I've just been too busy.
But is it awesome? I'm curious.
It's pretty cool.
It's pretty cool.
Yeah. I want to dig in on that. It's
something I wanted to bring
up for one of our talking nerdies.
Actually found is this thing called school,
so we'll have to check.
Satine, are you looking
at your Goodreads right now?

(58:51):
My audible.
I'm trying to figure out what I can tell
you and what I was too exposing for me.
So I am reading something
called right now called Terror,
Love and brainwashing,
because I feel like I'm writing a book.
I'm writing a couple books. Sirens, obviously,
that will be finished first,

(59:11):
but one of them is on the cult, like, way
I was grown up, I grew up, right, with, like,
the cult of one, my father, and then, like,
my relationship with men. And
so this is a fascinating book called Terror,
Love and brainwashing by Alexander Stein.
And it goes into just religious cults,

(59:33):
political cults,
individual relationship cults,
and how these, like, very single. These, like,
simple threads are, like,
just basically narcissistic abuse,
but also coercion and all
this other stuff and how easy it is,
especially for smart people.
It's almost like you would think, oh, you know,

(59:55):
weak people or vulnerable people. No, like,
literally their target, smart people.
So I'm really obsessed with that for my book.
And then the last one. Oh.
Is you are the one you've
been waiting for by Richard Schwartz.
So it does a lot of the internal systems,
but there's kind of a big
movement right now with, like, love yourself,

(01:00:16):
then you can love someone else.
And so that's.
That's that one which is Funny, because
I swore that I was reading something by, like,
Napoleon Hill and, like, other ones,
but I think I had to restart my. My phone.
But I also
listen to a lot of, like, business books.
Yeah, the first one you
mentioned sounded like one.

(01:00:37):
I don't know it.
I mean, but
Chris does Alex Haro's books.
So he's got $100 million
leads and then $100 million.
Million dollar offers.
Yes.
So offers came first. And it's. I mean,
if you just want to learn
how to sell almost anything,
it's a really good.
And I also recommend his podcast.
I don't usually recommend other podcasts,
especially business ones,
but it's so good. We're pretty good.

(01:00:58):
But he has a really good business podcast.
It will make you money and
make you rich if you listen to it.
And if it's on Audible,
you can listen to his audio books for free.
He basically has found a way. He's like, I just
want to give all of my stuff away. I'm like, I
wish if for some reason, my, like, my company,

(01:01:19):
my new supplement company
goes haywire and I start making, like,
I start raining money,
I would totally give people
their money back for Sirens books,
and I would finish the book. But, like,
that's not how the world works. Yeah.
Yeah. You know, I, I, I only have one more,
and I'm curious.

(01:01:40):
It's not going to be nerdy,
but Tupac or Biggie?
Neither. Yeah. Not into. Yeah.
Not into wrap. That's okay.
And that was my era, too, and.
It'S Biggie, but that's okay, because I.
Would have said Tupac, but.
Yeah, well, you. I figure
if you're on the West Coast, I had to ask.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, we. We covered

(01:02:02):
a lot of ground in our,
in our time here. Satine,
I thank you so much for being
generous with your time and
being willing to take this time with us.
I know our listeners are going to love it,
and we had a great time talking with you,
I gotta say. Like,
I know you have
more that you could give around, like,
the biohacking and, like, you're into, like,
fitness and health and, like,
all these other things that we didn't even

(01:02:23):
really get a chance to talk about. So, I mean,
if there's a time
in the future that we can talk, dive into,
even just some of the stuff, you know,
on health and wellness and, like,
and the physical fitness side of thing.
I know you've got a lot there
that you can probably help with, too.
I'd love to have you Back on sometime.
Boosting mitochondria,
elongating your telomeres, peptides,

(01:02:45):
weight loss. Oh, man.
An entire two hours?
Yeah, like. Like, I. We just. I know we just
didn't get a chance to get into that, but if.
If you're open to it, we'd
love to have you back sometime for, you know,
another season and what we.
When we can chat about it. But for now,
how can people find you?
Get coaching from you and
just get more from Sateen Phoenix?

(01:03:06):
Absolutely. So you can go to
TatinePhoenix on all the social medias.
My podcast is called Feel Younger, Think Wiser.
It's for people who are over 40 or
approaching 40 who want to figure out
how to live for the next 60 years. And yeah, so
you can get coaching from sateen phoenix.com.
i can also
run you a human design chart. I don't know.

(01:03:27):
I feel so like when I do it.
And also we've got a supplement coming out.
It's called Lion's Mane Supplements.
He just got these. It's like business.
So I'm literally setting
up the Amazon storefront right now,
and you guys are the first ones to see this.
That's awesome.
Lion's Mane is awesome.
I eat that regularly.
So cool. This one's 10. 10 different ones.

(01:03:49):
We've got lion's mane, cordyceps,
shiitake, chaga, mataki, reishi, turkey tail,
and then a bunch of others. And so, yeah,
this is like you want your brain to function,
like really high neurogenesis. Yeah.
So that's Lion's Main supplements.
Is there. Is
there anything else that you would

(01:04:10):
like that we brought up or haven't
brought up that you would like to share?
Go to my website, satin phoenix.com
and download for free
the Healthy Habit Hero Journal.
It's five weeks and all.
Almost all it does.
It's like the first two or three
weeks is just seeing yourself. That's it.
It's not telling you what to do. It's

(01:04:32):
just you recording who you are in this moment.
And I think that that is so powerful
and important and just like, know you.
Don't try to be you from the past.
Be you right now.
Do your best right now.
And even if it's not your best,
at least be okay with that,
because that's okay.
I downloaded that, by the way. It is awesome.
Highly recommend it.

(01:04:52):
Go check it out@satinephoenix.com
thank you so much for coming
in and chatting with us today.
We appreciate it a lot. And as always,
everybody keep it nerdy.

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