October 23, 2024 • 66 mins
Vince Pitstick, a functional health coach, shares his journey and the development of his 4F method for holistic healing. He emphasizes the importance of a systems approach and the role of health coaches in guiding individuals towards optimal health. The 4F method focuses on flushing toxins, feeding the body with proper nutrition, fasting to promote healing, and optimizing the function of various body systems. Pitstick challenges the traditional model of Western medicine and highlights the need for a more comprehensive and personalized approach to healthcare. Vince Pitstick discusses the limitations of traditional medicine and the importance of results-driven practices. He emphasizes the need for a shift towards functional health services and health coaching. Vince explains that protocols alone are not effective and that a personalized approach with biofeedback tracking and regular adjustments is necessary for success. He highlights the role of coaches in providing support and guidance to individuals on their health journey. Vince also discusses the importance of addressing root causes and the order of operations in healing, including the optimization of hormones. He shares the success of his own coaching program and the impact it has had on clients.
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Vince Pitstick, functional health coach, 4F method, holistic healing, systems approach, health coaches, flushing toxins, feeding the body, fasting, optimizing function, Western medicine, personalized healthcare, traditional medicine, functional health services, health coaching, results-driven, protocols, personalized approach, biofeedback tracking, adjustments, coaches, root causes, order of operations, hormones, success
Chapters
00:00- Introduction and Background
08:11- The Journey to Health Coaching
13:33- The Limitations of Western Medicine
18:46- The Power of Coaching in Healthcare
24:04- Creating a New Approach to Healthcare
30:50- The Limitations of Traditional Medicine
35:31- The Importance of Personalized Approaches and Regular Adjustments
39:00- The Role of Coaches in Providing Support and Guidance
45:40- Addressing Root Causes and Following the Correct Order of Operations in Healing
53:37- The Impact of Optimizing Hormones on Health and Well-being
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the show, everybody.
This is the Next Level Humanpodcast.
I am your host, Dr Jay Tita.
Today I have Vince Pitstickwith me, who actually is a guy
who is very much like myself.
We were just talking before hecame on.
We're meeting each other forthe first time and both of us
have kind of gnashed our teethin this world of functional
medicine, specificallyendocrinology around
(00:23):
specifically women and men, TRT,bioidentical hormone
replacement therapy, all thatkind of stuff, and Vince is
going to talk a little bit aboutthis.
But Vince also trainsprofessionals, as do I, and so
we have a lot of overlap, me andyou, Vince.
This is going to be fun.
My boy, Chase Tuning, who's alsoa friend of yours, put us
together First time we'remeeting.
(00:44):
But I'm excited to have thisconversation with you, partly
because I really like to hangout with other practitioners,
talk about the things that areworking for us both, talk about
the things that maybe don't andtalk about the things that maybe
you're doing, that I'm not,that I can learn from, and vice
versa.
So why don't you just kind ofkick us off with telling us a
(01:04):
little bit about your story?
I know you do a lot, I knowyou're in the clinic world.
You have a health coachinginstitute and university and do
a lot with practitioners andindividuals.
So how'd you get into this work, man?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, first, if people stay tuned, you're going
to hear some things aboutmetabolism and health that I
promise you you've probablynever heard before.
So I would stay tuned because,uh, some of the things that
we've discovered over 18 years,over my 55,000 case studies, um,
bring some points very clearabout metabolism, what's
(01:37):
happening to the average female,uh, and what's happening to the
general population that is notbeing recognized in the research
, and those are things that myspecific world is, the people
that are unresearched.
It's that if you are someonethat is overstressed and
underfed, this would be thepodcast for you to listen to
today.
And that is 50% of womenpopulation, but also happens to
(02:02):
men, believe it or not.
And then you know they're notthe ones in the research because
, guess what, they don't havetime.
They're listening to this whilethey're going on to their next
thing, they're in transit to thenext thing they're about to do
because they're busy, right,they're not going to take the
$50 a day to get studied, soanyway.
So, yeah, I'm a functionalhealth coach, vince Pitsdick,
(02:23):
and I'm a really sick kid, sevenyears old, was a dropout of the
current medical system.
Tried to fill me full of drugsat a very early age Was dealing
with rare health issues,couldn't find the solution
inside conventional medicine,traveled the United States
learning about the wholeholistic world and there's a lot
(02:44):
of randomness out there andthere's lot of good stuff, uh,
good and bad, just like anything, um.
And so I had a very, very earlyum understanding of what it was
like to be misunderstood or tobe underrepresented, um, and to
be bounced around a lot with noanswers, um, and fall through
the cracks, and, and so todaymore than ever, that's on
(03:04):
display in the Western medicalsystem Everyone's falling
through the cracks if you have achronic issue, because chronic
lifestyle health issues, whichrepresents about 90% of illness
in today's society, does not getsolved in a conventional
practice because of the way thatthey're set up to solve
problems.
And so I decided to get my footin the world.
(03:25):
I dropped out of a financedegree.
I'm like what am I doing withmy life?
I just want to help people, andthe fastest way I could do that
was start was as a personaltrainer and started in personal
training, got really popularwith um, uh, reality TV stars
and a few other things, and anduh.
But then I didn't.
Really that wasn't my passion.
It was working with real people.
And when I started working withreal people, I started seeing
real problems and I realizedvery early that, whatever your
(03:47):
title is personal trainer,nutritionist, nd, md, rd, you
know any of them is that you area trusted guide.
That is your primaryresponsibility, so that when
someone comes to you, your jobis to try to guide them to the
solution, even if you don't haveall the answers.
And so really early on and thisis during the personal training
(04:07):
boom you know about 18, 18 yearsago people were coming to me
for everything.
You know, I, um and I my onlymodality at the time was working
out.
So every answer involved youworking out to the part of the
solution.
And I realized, uh, that wasvery short sighted because I
knew what healing required.
It required multiple modalitieshappening at one time.
(04:28):
You know, for me, mind, bodyand spirit need to be in
alignment for healing to occur.
And when you're only working onone of those paths or you're
only working on one part of thebody, it's very hard to heal
something that's chronic,meaning past six months, because
it's leaked itself into othersystems of the body.
So I set on a mission that Iwanted to create a place one day
(04:49):
I didn't know how I was goingto do it where people could
virtually or in person come inand someone could tie a whole,
coordinate all the things theywould need.
As a health advisor which laterbecame a health coach because
it didn't exist at the timebecame your health advisor that
coached you through it andwalked you through all the
different things you would needto do to liberate you to freedom
(05:09):
from everything, fromwhatever's holding you back.
And so I developed a very largesystem.
And then I got poached by aglobal health organization
called Metagenics.
You may be familiar with them,and they are.
They function as a greenpharmaceutical company.
What does that mean?
It means that they have aresearch facility in Gig Harbor,
washington, where they doresearch on functional medicine
(05:30):
and different herbs anddifferent things.
Then they disseminate thatthrough their uh, their medical
relationships, through seminarsacross the world, and then they
have reps that go out and teachit.
And then and then they, thosereps, become functional
consultants how to build cashpay services, how to get health
services into your business thataren't just pills or procedures
, how to create longevity inyour patient base.
(05:53):
You know all these differentthings.
So I became an expert in allthese different areas.
I got to train under an amazingEinstein of our time, dr Jeffrey
Bland.
I am definitely a Blandite.
He was the founder of IFM andhe's got a book out called the
Disease Delusion.
He's probably a little toosmart for his own good, so some
of it's a little hard read, butit's the truth and it's amazing.
(06:15):
It's an amazing book if youhave time.
And so I learned this wholeworld of functional medicine
Didn't know it existed.
I paired that with mybodybuilding experience, my fat
loss experience and all theother tools that I had picked up
along the way in nutrition andin supplementation.
You know, when I got my startjust to give people context fish
oil and vitamin D were seenweird.
(06:35):
It was like you're recommendinga fish oil and vitamin D, right
?
And now today everyone's like,yeah, it's common sense.
You know, well, I believe thatthe things that we're going to
talk about today are going to bea common sense in a decade from
now.
And we're just ahead.
Just like when we go back tothe first nurse we talk about.
You know, florence Nightingale.
She had this crazy idea ofcleaning wounds, nutrition and
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bed care and the human elementof healing, nutrition and bed
care and the human element ofhealing and creating a system
around that.
And the first nurse is almostlike your in-house modern coach,
and it was the human element ofhealing and it was the greatest
technology ever created inmedicine by far.
I mean you can argue it'spenicillin.
I don't think so.
Everything's delivered by anurse in the United States and
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the world today, and I believethat coaching, health coaching,
outbound health services are thenursing of the world today, and
I believe that coaching, healthcoaching, outbound health
services are the nursing of thenext century.
I believe everything that youhave will be delivered by a
coach, and so everything that Ido is training practitioners if
they want to use these services,or training them how to use
coaches in their practice, sothat they can get next level and
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create incredible outcomes.
So I created a method afterworking behind these doctors.
I worked with a thousanddoctors.
I saw how all different doctorssolved a problem.
I took all the best tools and Icreated a system out of it that
you can do virtually withanybody from home.
It's called the 4F system.
It's been trademarked and usedfor many years now, and then we
(08:05):
teach it at our university toNPs, nds, but a lot of
entrepreneurial coaches too thatcan do it, and that's what I
did.
I opened up my first practice.
I jumped out of Metagenics.
I opened up my first coachingpractice, called Nutrition
Dynamic, in the back of achiropractic office in
Waynesville, ohio, with onlyfour people, 11 years, almost to
the day.
(08:25):
And then Vital Coaching, whichis what it's called today, is
now one of the largestone-on-one functional health
coaching companies in the UnitedStates, and then we launched a
whole network off of that that'sdedicated to changing the way
that fitness and medicalservices are delivered in the
United States, because it's theway that we solve problems and
deliver services that is exactlyopposed to healing, which is
(08:46):
why Western medicine will neversolve the common man's problem.
And so that's where I'm attoday.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
That's where you get to today.
Yeah, I love your story, Vince.
I love your story and actuallyyou and I have a lot in common.
2004 is when I graduated fromBastyr University, which is, you
know, right there near GigHarbor.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I actually just spoke at the event.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, yeah, cool yeah yeah, yeah, and you know Jeff
Bland now is PLMI, so I justactually spoke at his event in
this past I guess what was it?
April, march?
So I was a speaker for PLMIwith Jeff.
So we have a lot in common andwe both have been certifying
professionals, sort of in thisspace and this is going to be a
(09:30):
really interesting conversation.
I guess let's.
And, by the way, that's vitalcoaching with a D right.
So it's V-I-D-A-L.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, yeah, V-I-D-A-L .
Yeah, Like Latin for life.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So yeah, yep, yeah.
So we you and I have a lot ofoverlapping stuff.
I am curious to learn now whatis the method Like?
So what did you?
You know you did all this work.
You had this really interestingsort of background, came from
finance, you know, obviously afit guy did all you know, went
(10:00):
through your own healthchallenges.
You know kind of gnashed yourteeth in metagenics.
It is an interesting place tobe right Because, just for the
listener to know, when you'reworking for one of these
companies, like a metagenics ora Thorne or something like that,
and you're a rep, you'reworking with doctors all day
long and you're talking to themabout their protocols and
helping them solve problems.
So you really are sort of rightthere with doctors, but you see
a bunch of them.
So you know, I'm sure that gaveyou a really interesting sort
(10:29):
of perspective.
And then you sort of went onyour own and you know are
building out, you know, this neworganization, vital Coaching.
So walk us through how you, youknow how you see this.
What is going on?
Why are so many peopleunhealthy?
What is the solution?
That you, after doing all thissort of research and watching
and observing and all your stuffthat you're seeing that you,
after doing all this sort ofresearch and watching and
observing and all your stuff,that you're seeing that you're
able to solve.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah.
So let's do this first.
I think the most importantthing for people to understand
is there is no one bad guy.
I know we want to simplify itand say it's carbohydrates,
birth control, antibiotics,toxicity in our environment,
toxic thoughts, EMF.
I mean we can sit here andscare ourselves a million ways
(11:08):
from Sunday.
I'm the enemy.
The general issue is total loadand we come up with this
concept in toxicity when wethink about total load effect.
There's three main stresspathways of the body emotional,
chemical and physical.
And if the body starts to getoverwhelmed in two of those
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pathways at once, I think all ofus have met the smoker that had
no problems until 80 years old.
They go through a divorce, theyget cancer and die.
I think we've all meet.
Let me go.
Covid is a perfect example.
Covid scared a lot of thepeople in fitness because it was
like oh, John in Washington andlike all John did was run seven
days a week and was an ultramarathoner and trained all the
(11:50):
time, and then he got COVID anddied.
Right, it's like well, whathappened?
Well, John was spending all ofhis stress coins in physical
stress and then he got anotheron top of that.
Right, he got.
When you come in with a viraland it created another
functional component and it shutthe system down right.
We all meet people that it's atthe intersection usually of
(12:15):
those, one of those two comingtogether and then all of a
sudden creates disease and itbuilds up over time.
I don't wanna name one bad guybecause I think it gets us
over-focused on one thing whenwe really need to be looking at
the total concept and generallymaking improvements as we go in
every area to the best of ourability, and that will continue
to lower your net percent chanceof ending up with a chronic
(12:37):
disease, which, by the way,everyone should know right now.
According to every national andglobal organization I don't
care if it's NATO, NIH, you nameany letter alphabet soup that
you want seven out of 10 peoplein the world will have a chronic
health issue by 2030.
I don't know if you want tocheck the time, but that's less
than six years, and so theproblem is it's coming for us,
(13:00):
it's coming for us all.
It's coming fast.
It is the pandemic of our time.
Everyone's asleep at the wheelbecause everyone's profiting
from it, so no one wants to talkabout the real elephant in the
room, yet the news will talkabout three people that got
Ebola in Massachusetts, but yetthe thing that's got seven out
of 10 of us almost right now, noone's talking about.
So I realized that no one'sgoing to do anything about it
(13:22):
because everyone's making moneyoff of it and if it's not a
grassroots demand of somethingdifferent and people coming
together, nothing's going to bedifferent.
Period end up, and I'm not.
I'm I'm that kind of guy thatcannot sit back and not do
anything.
And so the two things that Ifigured out that I think make me
starchly different was that Ifigured out that, if you take,
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for example, anyone canunderstand weight loss.
Right, what do we do in weightloss?
We create a system.
So if you go to bodybuilding,one of the greatest weight loss
systems you could talk about, oraesthetic systems we could talk
about, is bodybuilding.
What does bodybuilding do?
It sets up a structure, Okay,and then that structure is, is
coordinated, and then it iscoached, and then progress is is
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tracked daily, and and thenadjustments are slightly made to
make the person as comfortableas possible, but also push them
forward and continue to watchthese biomarkers and these
biofeedbacks to successfully getthem to the goal.
So that is a technology that isnot just random bro stuff.
That is a technology for howyou succeed in a complex system
(14:30):
like the body where multiplevariables are changing all the
time behind.
And he's he nailed it talkingabout uh.
As a consultant I was behind alot of the doctors because of my
experience coming in in weightloss.
(14:50):
Everybody wanted to know likemy answers, because I came in as
a successful practitioneroutside of being a rep.
It was a little differentpeople that are born into being
a rep and they didn't create anysuccess outside of that.
Practitioners may look at themdifferently, but when you've had
success outside of it and thenyou become a rep, they really
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look at you and I mean a lot ofmy doctors to get to know them.
I would sit in on their casestudies in the background for a
day at one office, if it was bigenough, this office.
For a day at one office, if itwas big enough, this office.
And what I realized is thatbecause of specialization in
Western medicine you can neveractually truly fully solve a
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problem and make someone well.
So, for example, if you go to achiropractor, every solution is
going to involve adjustment.
If you go to a hormonespecialist, almost every
solution that you're going tofind is going to involve a
hormone.
If I go to an NP who'scardiovascular, let's say MD
who's cardiovascular focused andevery answer almost involves
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Lipitor or something of the sort, more than six months it is no
longer in the one system thatyou're focused on.
So Western medicine is systemsmedicine.
It means everyone plays niceand everything's subdivided into
11 systems.
So you stay in your area, I'llstay in my area, We'll just work
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our clients in our specificsystem and all will be well.
And that's really nice forbilling and it's really nice for
logical organization of anindustry.
But it is fundamentally opposedto how people heal.
Because after six months, evenif you have a joint issue like
if I have tennis elbow and I getit for a short period of time
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and then it comes back and thenit comes back again and I can't
get rid of it the problem isn'tjust in my elbow, it's in my
immune system, Because theinflammation that has been in my
joint so long is now hangingout because the immune activity
is high in the joint.
So I'm not just dealing withthe musculoskeletal issue
anymore, I'm dealing with animmunological, pro-inflammatory
issue and a structural issue.
(16:58):
Does that make sense?
So, like, all of a sudden, moresystems become involved in the
problem.
And so if someone really wantsan answer, if someone's
listening to this and they'restruggling with something and
they've gone to a 17 millionpeople, it's probably because
they only are working onemodality at a time and you
cannot do that.
You have to work multiplethings at once.
And in bodybuilding, ironically,when you think about it, you
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get supplements, you get yourdiet, you get your workouts.
Maybe they're great aboutmindset, right, they're working
multiple modalities.
So what I did was is I took theframework of bodybuilding that
creates exceptional outcomes inaesthetic performance.
I took functional medicine,science, and then I just changed
the problem that you weretrying to solve in the framework
(17:38):
.
So instead of a hey, I want tobe 10% body fat, it's hey, I
want to reverse diabetes.
Hey, I want to get pregnant.
Hey, I want to get rid of thisautoimmune disorder, I want to
get rid of my IBS.
And so if you took functionalmedicine, science, and then you
systematize the deductiveprocess right inside of a
bodybuilding framework, meaningthat we control your training,
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control your mindset, we controlyour nutrition, we control your
daily process, you know, andthen we walk you through it by
holding your hand every step,and then we're being very
meticulous about tracking yourbiofeedback to find problems
that are occurring that otherpeople who aren't paying
attention would not find, andthen run labs as we're doing it.
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You create incredible,unattainable otherwise outcomes.
So coaching as a technologywill outdo the best specialized
practitioner in any field,Unless you're dealing with
children's heart surgery orcancer issues.
(18:42):
You might want to bespecialized for that, but know,
but if you take anendocrinologist, that's an
average endocrinologist and youput a health coach behind them
and now the person's gettingcoaching while they're doing the
endocrinology, guess what 10times the outcome, right, I, I
so.
So that's the first thing.
The second thing that I learnedwas there's 11 systems to the
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body and that as I looked atthousands of cases I probably
reviewed over 70,000 cases in myfive years that I was at
Metagenics.
One of the things that Ilearned was, once somebody gets
systemically inflamed, is thatthe 11 systems all get off
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disproportionately, Like maybemy GI systems, you know, not
working at 20% of its capacity,and then maybe my liver is 10%
off and maybe my thyroid is 20%of the problem, and then maybe
my whatever, whatever it isright, Whatever that imbalance
is.
I learned that there is a,there is a code that if you turn
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on certain systems first, theother systems will start to turn
back online.
It's like spinning plates.
The body is an ecosystem, right?
It's not a machine where youcan work on one thing and just
fix the wiring here and themachine will work.
It is a diverse ecosystem.
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That, just like if I was goingto put a lawn together in my
backyard and, let's say, I go tothe neighbor and the neighbor's
like oh, because he has anamazing lawn, and I'm like what
seed did you use?
And then I bring the seed backand I dump it all over my lawn,
but I don't water it correctly,I don't irrigate it correctly
and I don't do it at the righttime of the year.
I end up with the same shittylawn, Right, oh?
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So then I go back to theneighbor and I go okay, how much
water did you use?
So now I go back and I justdump all the water, but then I
didn't relay the seed, I didn'tdo things in the right order and
I didn't include everythingthat needed to be there for the
ecosystem to thrive.
Right, I'm still going to endup with the same shitty lawn,
and so this is why a lot ofpeople feel disenfranchised,
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because when they go to a doctor, they think they're going to
solve the problem, when really astandard Western medicine
doctor is fundamentally opposedin their problem solving skills
and how you solve problems.
That's the issue.
So what we did is we created asystem called the 4F method.
The 4F method begins withcertain.
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When you come in, I don't evenhave to know what your problem
is.
I don't, I have to.
I just have to know how systems, the systems of the body, work
and how to turn them back on inorder.
And if I work a system in order.
Now, we love labs and all thosethings, but we took 7,000
people.
We ran the 4F process, turningon certain systems first, so,
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for example, the endocrinelymphatic right, and then, in
opening the liver, we startthere, Then we move on to the
gastrointestinal system, Then wemove on to a couple of the
other systems.
I don't want to bore everybodywith everything because they'll
forget everything I said, butthere's there's a there's an
order of operations that if Iturn the light switches on, like
my, if my power goes out andI'm and I'm turning switches
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back on on my generator or myyou know, my switch outlet that
everything else will turn backon and start to work again.
And so when I realized that Ijust took all the things that
doctors were doing because I hadthis 50,000 foot view I took
all the best stuff of thedifferent systems, things that I
could do virtually or in person, put them in an order and then
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started executing on that method.
And that's when I quit and saidyou guys will not.
You know most doctors.
They're committed to certainty.
They're not willing to investin coaching.
They're not willing to stopdoing the main thing that,
whatever their shtick is, it'slike I do pellet hormones, I do
X, I do Y.
It's my moneymaker, I'm notgoing to stop doing it.
Well, the problem is you have a90 degree solution of a 360
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degree problem and you're okaywith it because it's how you
financially make your money andthat's fine.
But I don't want to do thisanymore, Right?
So I quit, metagenics, opened upmy own thing and I was going to
show everybody you can have apractice that leads with health
coaching and make millions ofdollars.
And that's exactly what I did.
I have practitioners, I havedoctors.
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You can see one of the doctorsat our clinic anytime.
You can see one of the nursesat our clinic anytime.
But you don't need to.
The coaches handle everythingfor you, because that's what you
need.
You need to be coached to thewin.
You don't need to be medicatedor procedured to the wind and um
, and that's what changedeverything for me.
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Um and uh, you know.
So that's that's kind of how Iapproach complex systems like
the human body through the fourF method and um, it's flush feed
fast in function and we'reworking different systems in
every F and you progress throughthe Fs, being coached, and then
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if you need a prescription oryou need a drug or we need
something that requiressomething outside the scope of
the practice of the coach, youcan just see the medical team
for free on staff, and that'show I developed the system.
So I have my own integratedhealthcare system now and I told
the rest of the world to take ahike because we don't need you
Western medicine.
In fact, you're the problemnumber one that coaches are
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really in a better position todo the primary care that a lot
of doctors are doing.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
It sounds like you're saying that because a lot of
these practitioners, from yourpoint of view, are too
specialized to be able to take aholistic sort of approach.
So that sounds like the firstthing you're saying, and the
other thing it sounds likeyou're saying is that there's a
systems approach that you usethat is essentially a stepwise
(24:50):
process that you bringindividuals through, that you
notice, through your education,that you should start with.
So, again, I think people canraise their eyebrows at this.
So I want to hear, you know, Iknow I'm imagining what some of
the listeners might be saying.
Right, they might be saying tothemselves well, how, what?
Who are these coaches?
What is their background?
(25:11):
You know what happens if someoneyou know has a condition that
needs to be diagnosed.
You know, like you know, isthis do they go see a doctor
first, Then they come see thecoach, and then, you know, some
people might raise theireyebrows at this process too and
say, okay, well, this is whatmakes this different from just
anyone else who's doing, youknow, a cookbook protocol Like
(25:32):
what is the?
What is the?
What is the differences there?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, you asked some really great questions.
I love these and I'm very opento hard questions because
because it is it is a hard thingto wrap your mind around when
you're used to going in seeing alicensed professional right off
the bat that says here's yourdiagnosis, now let me prescribe
a therapy and see if it works.
So when you go to a normaldoctor, what happens is that you
(25:57):
go in and then they're going tolook for evidence that would
suggest a diagnosis, becauseit's the diagnosis.
Then, according to the codesand the diagnosis codes that
allows them insurance reasons togo ahead and provide a
prescription or procedure andthey have to operate within that
framework called a standard ofcare.
That makes them very limited.
(26:17):
So you think you're getting alot of options, but you're
typically not.
You're going to get the runofof-the-mill option that is
taught to them probably 25 yearsago.
They probably didn't get anycontinuing ed on it.
There are forward thinkers,there are great doctors out
there.
Let me say that there are a lotof great people out there, but
the majority of Westernhealthcare is what I'm
describing and I find it to bethe problem.
(26:40):
That's why we have more doctors, more prescriptions, more
medical centers and yet we'regetting sicker in almost every
health category in human historyfaster than ever.
So it's clearly not solving theproblem right.
And so what we're saying isright is something a little bit
different.
So again, you could go.
(27:01):
If anyone's ever gone to adoctor and they go I think it's
Crohn's.
Let me prescribe this.
All right, we'll give it atrial.
That didn't work, come back.
We'll try something else.
That's called inductivereasoning.
So if you ever want to read abook that'll change your life on
how you problem solve, read thebook.
It's called the Problem ofInduction.
If you can bore through it,cause holy cow.
(27:22):
It's boring, but theinformation that it has is
absolutely incredible.
And instead you want to go to apractitioner or of any kind
that says all right, mrs Jones,you have symptom X, y and Z.
Here are all the differentvariables that could be involved
in why you have X, y and Z.
Like, let's say, you've got aheadache, you go to a doctor,
(27:44):
you got a headache, they'regoing to prescribe a headache
medication and then they'regoing to see if that works and
then come back and see me.
And if that doesn't work, we'lltry something else.
That's called inductivereasoning.
Deductive reasoning is like okay, mrs Jones, you've got a
headache.
Well, here's the simplestthings that it could be First,
(28:09):
simplest things that it could be.
First, hydration statuselectrolytes could be, iron
could be, your hormones could bewe need to open up your liver,
so it could be any one of thesethings.
So what I'm going to do is tocreate a high level of success.
That's why our programs haveover 95% success rate is I'm
going to work a process thatdeductively eliminates all of
those variables and work towardsthe symptom and then the
outcomes become 10 times greater.
So it's a deductive processwhere you put theoretically
(28:31):
multiple steps together and thentest the solution.
That's deductive reasoning.
And so, through that framework,when you go to a coach, right,
the coach is going to providenutritional and again, we still
have our medical team that willsee people all the time if
they've got a lot of problems.
But most of my coaches arealready dietitians.
(28:52):
You know some of them are RNs,some of them have experience, in
case we need to send them forsomething more immediate.
But most of the processes thatpeople can run do not require a
prescription.
So if they don't require aprescription and they don't
require a procedure that youneed to prescribe, then why does
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everything have to go through aphysician?
So our coaches are internallycertified and then they're
supervised by our medical teamsand if anything needs to be
upregulated, they are.
But most of the things thatyou're going to do, that you can
change, whether it'ssupplementally, nutritionally,
in your lifestyle, in yourmovement, all of that can be
(29:33):
done right, um, without muchharm.
And and that's why our work,they're trained.
And, again, depending on whatissues you have going on, we run
different labs, of course, gimaps, everything from genetics
tests we love genetics coachingI think it's the future when
more detail comes through but wecreate a strategy.
(29:54):
So once your intake's in ourteam looks at it, then your
coach just executes it right.
But a lot of our coaches are sogood and have seen it so much
they don't even need any reallyoversight, even though they have
it.
Because, again, coaches don'tneed to know every disease and
everything in the world.
You don't?
I know that that sounds foreign, it's like no, I have to know
(30:15):
exactly what it is and get adiagnosis to fix it.
Most of the great practitionersin the world are not healing
that way.
They're dealing with all thefundamental root issues.
All the root issues don'trequire a prescription.
That's why it's called rootcause medicine, right?
And so that's why we take, whenyou take a root cause approach,
the likelihood of a causing anyharm.
(30:38):
First off, we make sure we'retrained enough that you're not
going to run into those problems, so we're not going to give you
any contraindications.
We're not going to give alicorice to a high blood
pressure patient, right, thingslike that, but a lot of those
things.
Our method that is prescriptedhas already taken all of this
into account to make sure thatthere's no chance for
contraindication.
And then we walk you throughthe four steps.
(31:00):
And again, the reason thatwe're different is because we're
the largest and, at scale, oursuccess rate is so high and you
can see our results.
One thing that makes me upsetabout medical practices and I
know that you have HIPAA is theyare not results-driven
businesses.
Doctors do not have to promotetheir success stories.
All they have to do is put onthe wall their licenses.
(31:20):
That says somebody else gavethem the permission to do the
thing, but that doesn't meanthey can do the thing, right.
And, unfortunately, becauseit's not a results driven
business, right, you don't knowhow to evaluate if someone's
actually really good at whatthey do or not, and so you're
kind of left to wonder, and alot of times you can tell,
because the average doctor'shealth themselves is worse than
(31:42):
the patients that they're seeing, and that's pretty evident when
you walk into any clinic in thecountry.
I know I'm being pretty harshon medicine.
I think medicine is veryimportant, I think it's an
incredible tool and there aremany good doctors out there.
But I'm telling you they arenot the solution to 95% of
society's problem, and it's madevery apparent, and so that's
(32:04):
kind of like my thesis.
And, by the way, all metrics andforecasting show that
functional health services andhealth coaching is the future.
When you look at forecasting,when you look at some of the
major medical insurancecompanies are looking to add
(32:24):
coaching services to theirmedical operations and to their
networks outbound healthservices.
It's where everything's going.
I fully contend for you in 20years, everything that you do
outside of AI, the rest ofmedicine is going to be AI.
You put your symptoms into acalculator and then Amazon's
(32:44):
going to drop you off aprescription by two o'clock,
which sounds really nice, butonce again, that's not how
healing is done either.
So outside of that everythingelse is going to be delivered by
some form of a coach that theygive.
They may not call it a coach,you know it's going to be
whatever your health advisor orwhatever.
When they first by the way, whenthey first created you know
(33:05):
cause, dr Jeffrey Bland createdthe first what's called um, what
they call first health coachwas called a first line
therapist.
That was the.
That was the first health coach.
Health coach the word didn'teven exist.
Uh, and so when we created oursystem, there was you know again
, this is now 12 years ago therewasn't even a term for what we
were talking about, where it waslike a health coach that used
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functional medicine sciences.
It just didn't really exist.
So we coined the termfunctional nutrition, um,
because it was, it was.
It just seemed like it fitreally well, um, and we were
just, we were doing somethingthat just didn't exist yet and
we needed to find a way totranslate and communicate what
we were trying to do.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, all all this is super
interesting.
I'll run some thoughts by youand kind of get your take on
this vince and let the listenerkind of listen in on two people,
yeah, so on.
On the one hand, I agree withyou, right, like to me.
I think that, um, I would sayand a lot of people who listen
to this podcast know that I wason my way to traditional medical
(34:03):
school and they didn't have anyexercise, any nutrition or any
psychology in their curriculum.
I was on my way to EastCarolina University and made a
pivot.
It was kind of like one of thefirst things, like what am I
going to do now?
So at the time I went intonaturopathic medical school,
which is a whole marketingdebacle to call that, and that
was back.
You know they never should havecalled it that, but that became
(34:25):
in my mind.
That became a functionalmedicine.
One of the things that I'llshare with you and share with
the listeners, which thelisteners know, is that I agree
with you.
You said something early onthat you basically like.
You know there's a lot ofnonsense in the alternative,
complementary world, I agree,and there's also a lot of
nonsense in the traditionalworld.
So I really like you know,that's where I think functional
(34:47):
medicine is really trying to dothe best that they can do here's
.
Here's some of the things thatthat I thoughts on this.
I still have become, and I'mone of these people who just
likes to do you know, I like todo what works.
I'll take whatever fromwhatever place.
I don't care if it'sconventional medicine,
alternative medicine or whatever, as long as it works.
(35:07):
But one of the things I havefound is that functional
medicine does not work that welleither.
For the vast majority of peopleit's better than traditional
medicine.
I think it's better thancomplementary medicine.
From my perspective it stilldoesn't work great and part of
the reason is that, because ofour limited understanding is
because we're still doingprotocol medicine.
So it used to be like you know,you got a headache, like you
(35:32):
said, and we give you an NSAIDfor that headache and that's
about as simple as it gets.
But then it goes to morecookbook medicine outside of the
traditional realm where it'slike oh, here's your gut
protocol or here's your blah,blah, blah protocol and that
stuff works for some people andfor the vast majority of people
I think it fails.
Now I could be wrong.
Vince may have a differentopinion than I on that.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
And then the next part is with the coaching, with
the coaches.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It's really interesting as well.
Right, because you talked aboutthe whole bodybuilding sort of
lifestyle.
I kind of come from that samesort of background.
There's a lot of things thatcan be done that are you know,
we are all each individuals, butthere are overlapping things
that we all could be doing thatare going to benefit most people
.
And I think for a coach caneasily deliver much of that.
(36:25):
And so one of the things that Ikind of look at is I go, yeah,
I get the idea that a coach canyou know when they're doing sort
of generalized, overarchinghealth information can be really
good from that perspective.
And you know protocols can workto some degree.
They're better than you know, Ithink, what has been out there,
but I still it's interesting.
(36:46):
I'm still so curious, like whenyou say something like 95%, you,
you know rates of, you knowachievement or success.
You know, for me, I'm like atmy very best in medicine.
You know people ask me all thetime like Jake, what do you do?
And I'm like, well, I'm inpersonal transformation and
physical transformation.
They're like, well, what isthat like doing that work?
And I'm like, well, if you wantto fail most of the time.
(37:08):
Then you have an idea of what Ido.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
So of course my ears go up and go.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
How are you achieving these kind of results from this
perspective?
And I'm also curious, becauseyou mentioned this idea that
most of us can't map this stuffbecause of HIPAA compliance.
So I'm wondering how are youmeasuring success?
So those are all my sort ofthings and wondering your
thoughts on that Couplequestions.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
So I love what you're saying.
So, first off, you're exactlyright.
Protocols are step one.
So, like anything, like servicecenters in bodybuilding, if I
apply a stimulus so I train youa certain way, I'm going to be
watching daily in a tracker andI'm going to be watching your
results and then the minute Iapply a uh, a protocol, your
body is in a complex system soit's going to go left or right
(37:55):
on me, okay.
So when you teach trueprotocols, you have to teach a
protocol tree based on if andstatements.
Okay, and, and so that's why Iagree with you 100%.
If you try to do protocols,you're going to get it right 50%
of the time and probably 40%.
But that's why biofeedback,tracking and weekly or biweekly
(38:19):
adjustments is how you winviable.
Okay for them to spend thatmuch time unless there's
somebody getting their startright and two right.
Their main money may be inhormones or it may be in
whatever.
What I'm suggesting for you isthat we don't need to replace
(38:45):
doctors, but doctors will nothire coaches.
So since they won't, I'm justgoing to launch coaches and keep
showing us how we can do ituntil they get it Like.
This is the future.
Doctors just don't get it andthey're afraid to change their
practices or do anythingdifferent because they can't
always see how they're going tobe able to scale a practice
doing it.
That's why our universityteaches doctors how to scale
businesses with coaches, becauseyour outcomes become insane and
you keep people way longer andpeople show up to their
(39:07):
appointments and they take theirpills and everyone's afraid to
do it.
And that's why I'm walkingaround kind of wagging my tail
because I built an eight figurebusiness doing the thing I told
them they can do that they'reunwilling to do.
If anyone's listening to thisright now and I can show you how
to do it in your business right, and I don't like to build
businesses, I just give you thetools and the systems.
My team can take care of it.
(39:28):
But what I'm getting at isyou're exactly right, protocols
don't get it done.
So you can go to your weekendseminar and you can get your
protocol and then you can try toapply it into your practice.
But if somebody isn't in therecoaching you to know how to do
it, that's why our university isa trade school.
Just like I used to do with thedoctors, I go in there every
single week and show them thenext thing to do and the next
thing to do and the next thingto do.
(39:48):
You'll never know how to do itto the level that you would need
to know how to do it, so you'llstop doing it.
You'll never make any money offof it.
People won't come back in forthe service.
You'll start and you'll stop.
That's what I ran into inMetagenics when I was trying to
build these systems.
So what we were able to do iscreate such a handheld system
where we're talking to ourclients weekly, we're making
(40:15):
adjustments, either weekly orbiweekly, we're making it easier
in certain diet areas or inothers, and then putting them
through systems and then holdingtheir hand through it so they
can do it.
Now, the more committed theyare, the faster they can do this
.
So we have that success rate weoffer just so you know, we're
the only company that does thisIn 12 weeks.
If you come to my program in 12weeks, if you don't see
significant biofeedback changesmeasured in your labs or
(40:38):
measured in your biofeedback,and you've been following the
program, we will work with youfor free until you do.
That's our program.
We have a guarantee on outcomes.
We don't sell programs.
I'm done with that.
Most of these people go to thesecompanies.
They go to a naturopath, theygo to a Cairo, they go here,
they go there and they hope andthen they have failed, unmet
(40:59):
expectations and we just won'tstand for it.
And because our success rate isso high, I can actually do
something like that and and it'sbecause of the meticulous
nature it's the system.
The system is what does it.
If I follow you and I hold yourhand and I make certain
adjustments and you get tobelieving the placebo effect.
(41:20):
If I believe I can do it, I'mmore likely to do it If I start
changing some of the root causeissues that are leading to the
total scope of the problem andI'm using some of the right
protocols issues that areleading to the total scope of
the problem and I'm using someof the right protocols that
we're adjusting over time.
Anything is possible.
So when people look at my pageI post an infinite number you
(41:40):
can keep scrolling of the rarestconditions on planet earth
solving these problems.
We'll say solving because Idon't treat, cure, prevent any
disease, because I'm not alicensed practitioner.
All I do is provide you thenutritional, emotional,
lifestyle framework to changeanything in your life, and I
teach other people to do that.
And then again, though, I'mstill big on hormones and
peptides, so you can visit withour doctors anytime.
(42:02):
It's not that we're not.
We're being so cavalier, andthese coaches are following
protocols that were designed bywith me, my oversight by doctors
, so we're leveraging theirlicense.
I don't want people to thinkthat we're just like doing
whatever, but I do need peopleto realize that if we leave
healing only to the doctors,there's not enough of them to
(42:24):
reach everyone at the fast thatwe're getting disease, and if
anyone is ever interested insolving this problem, all you
need to do is go to any.
Everyone at the fast that we'regetting disease, and if anyone
is ever interested in solvingthis problem, all you need to do
is go to any gym in the countrywhere people have.
There is 50 people in that gymjust dying to have purpose and
help others, and you can easilyequip them with a, with a, with
(42:46):
a three month training that nowthey become one of the best
healing weapons in the world.
You can build an army really,really fast, and you can do it
at low cost, and you can add somuch value to your practice.
It's like some of the doctorsthat I work with today, like Dr
Carrie Jones, she's a verypopular naturopath.
You may be familiar with her.
She speaks across the country.
(43:06):
She came in and saw our systemsand we can talk about something
specific particular to womenand weight loss, resistance and
menopause.
She saw our systems, she sawour outcomes.
She went back to Rupa health,quit the next day and started
working with it.
Right, a lot of my clients arehigh level professional doctors,
right, who can't seem to findthe answer in their, in their
(43:29):
own area of expertise.
And I don't want doctors tochange Like if anyone's
listening to this, and you'rethe best in the world at
hormones, keep doing hormones,but make sure that you've got
someone behind you that'sworking.
All the modalities and yourentire outcomes will change, and
outcomes is what will bringbusiness.
(43:51):
You don't even need a marketingarm.
We got this thing to 20 millionbefore we ever started doing
ads because of exceptionaloutcomes.
Outcomes becomes your marketingarm and then if I need a
prescription, if our people needa prescription, then they send
them over to the medical team.
The medical team takes a lookat them right Now.
The coaches usually know what'sgoing on.
(44:11):
So they'll relay what theythink is going on.
But the doctor is the ultimateauthority, or our NPs are, you
know, and they take a look andthat's where we might use.
I love using compounds, peptidesand hormones.
I love using those.
We don't use them right away.
That comes later, when we getto the hormones component of the
process, when the second partof the endocrine system.
(44:33):
We focus on the upper part ofthe endocrine system, first
thyroid, adrenal hypothalamusand then, as we move through the
body, after we've opened theliver, after we've opened the GI
, improved detoxification,opened up the kidneys, then we
move into hormone sensitivity.
We're working on insulin,leptin, ghrelin, blood sugars,
(44:55):
then we work on hormones.
That's the correct order.
A lot of times, when you try towork hormones first, if you try
to manipulate hormones with abunch of inflammation on top of
it, you just end up with awatery mess.
You probably know that if youwork in the hormone field, if
someone comes in and a doctor,they don't do anything else but
the hormones and they just drop200 milligrams of progesterone
(45:16):
and maybe, like you know, 12 orto 20 milligrams of testosterone
.
What happens to the person?
Do they lose weight?
No, they turn into a watery,swollen mess and they're still
tired.
So, like there's an order ofoperations, typically that make
it really successful.
So before we put if they needhormones even if they need them,
we're doing it natural firstsee what happens.
(45:36):
Even if they don't needhormones, we're going to clear
all that out of there, get ridof all that cellular
inflammation and then thehormones can be felt.
You know, people can haveadequate hormone levels, but
highly inflamed and can't feelsensitivity to their hormones,
so they don't feel the energythat they're supposed to from
(45:57):
the hormone level that they have.
So you see that there's anorder of operations and if you
do it it can unlock anything.
And I challenge anyone listeningto this.
Challenge me to it.
Reach out to my Instagram.
If we can't significantlyimprove you in 12 weeks, call me
on it.
But that's why I'm you know, Iknow I sound very bold and brash
and it sounds salesy and all ofthis and the reason that I am
(46:18):
this way is I'm trying to be inpeople's faces to show them that
there is another way to do this, and when people find out that
it's the truth and it'slegitimate, then everyone gets
on board and we really have analternative way of coming at the
problem, which is globalchronic disease.
Now, you're not going to fix anyevery structural issue, like
I'm not.
If you have an SI joint tear,there might be things that there
(46:41):
are some things that functionalmedicine alone may not fix.
Okay, like if you have agunshot wound, thank God for
modern medicine, I'm not goingto do anything about that.
Or early cancer, if you'regoing to do chemo and those are
blessings, you know, and and weusually sometimes have them go
on meds If you want to.
If you need to start on anautoimmune med, or you need to
start on a cholesterol med, oryou need to start on a.
(47:01):
I'm not demonizing medicine.
It's a great tool.
It is overused and it's overleveraged.
Is that that means health andit doesn't?
And so you know, that's whatyou know our vital ecosystem is
about, and I appreciate youbeing, I'm sure I you're a lot
like me, so you've got a lot ofopinions and I've just listened
(47:22):
to you sit here and likegracefully, listen to all this
and you're super awesome.
I appreciate you, you know.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yeah, listen to all this and you're super awesome.
I appreciate you.
Yeah, no, I appreciate you aswell, and I think we have a lot,
a lot of overlap.
I have one more line ofquestioning for you, just
because I'm curious and, by theway, I think, just so.
You hear this Vince and a lotof people listeners too.
I think what Vince is talkingabout.
Many listeners will hear it, asstructured flexibility is how I
describe it.
It sounds like what you'redoing, vince, is you're given a
(47:50):
structure because everyone needsa starting place, so that's a
protocol.
We have to start you somewhere.
But then there's flexibilitybased on the individual, based
on their biofeedbacks, theirlaboratory reports, and it
sounds like that's how you'reguiding the individual.
That's what I'm hearing, and Ithink a lot of my listeners will
recognize the term structuredflexibility, which is a term I
(48:10):
use.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
That is perfect.
But, for example, I certifycoaches at my university and
then we work with practices andI tell practices.
I said I'm going to put a coachinto your business for a low
risk to you.
They're going to either work mysystem, but then if there's
something that you like, that'sparticular to you, that's
valuable to you, we'll add thatto make sure that that's being
(48:31):
done.
The health coach becomes mostof your customer service.
Hey, do you want to take halfless emails?
Guess what?
Put a health coach in yourbusiness right, like, like.
But you have to be willing torisk it and then prescribe it or
add it to a monthly plan orbuild it into your fee of
service, and everyone's afraidto do that.
Everyone's going to stick towhatever shtick they got that
(48:52):
they're doing Because, like,that's what I'm getting at.
Because what you're talkingabout with structured variation
is we are flexible.
You know, we, we really believe.
Early on in you startMediterranean pescatarian to the
best of your ability Then thenyou lead them into, because I
created a diet called the flushmethod and that will, like,
(49:14):
amplify your metabolism, get ridof most of your fatigue, clear
a lot of the basic residualsthat people get, that are very
common and almost everyone kindof runs into.
Because you got to clear thekids out of the street, I almost
don't like looking at labsuntil I flushed you out, because
half of what't like looking atlabs until I flushed you out,
because half of what I'm lookingat labs is what you've just
done to yourself dietarily andemotionally the last eight weeks
(49:36):
.
So I flushed that out and thenI like like what's the real
problems I'm going to be lookingat?
And then we like to run labsand um, but uh, you know, we
develop these differentnutritional systems, start
pescetarian, we flush the body,then we like to go into
something that's what we call acarb pulsing.
We believe in diet variation isthe key to health.
(49:58):
Every diet works if you work it, until you work it too long.
So this is the problemMonotonous diets cause
monocolonization of the gut,which leads to overproduction of
certain organic acids.
That leads to immunologicalupregulation and inflammation.
And so we use a tool where wehave you eat certain foods three
(50:19):
days and then different foodsanother three days and you pulse
it back and forth and then,once all the rest of your
inflammation is gone from that,then we get into autophagy.
We either teach you how to maybego into carnivore or go into
like a low carb diet for a while, or go into ketosis whichever
you're comfortable with you canpick or go into intermittent
fasting, because there's so muchhealing in fasting that people
(50:43):
have no idea.
I've seen it with my own eyes.
You know the Bible mentionsfasting 77 times.
For a reason Every religion inthe world can't agree on one
thing but fasting.
That should tell you something.
Maybe there's something there.
Whether you believe there's aGod or not, it's a book of
wisdom and so maybe there'ssomething wise about it.
So we put people through alittle bit of like a you know
(51:05):
what's easy on them to get theminto some form of autophagy or
fasting.
Then we optimize their hormonesand we feed them up, and then
that's called our function phase.
So that way we make sure youfunction the way that you want
to.
Maybe you want to functiongreat in.
I want to.
I want to build muscle, or Iwant to function to have the
best energy, or I want tofunction to manage my Crohn's,
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or I want to function to managethis issue or whatever it is.
And that's where you come up thefour systems you know flush
feed, fast function and um andso, yeah, that's uh, that's what
I've been able to do and so,but I agree with you, you know,
being able to meet them wherethey're at, even if they can't.
They're not good at dieting atall.
Maybe they just need to learnhow to like cut out processed
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foods first.
Maybe they just need to learnhow to sleep more.
Maybe we put on an HRV ring onthem to see if they're how their
oxygen status is at night.
You know, maybe they've gotproblems breathing, because it
has a lot of issues to do withpeople's health.
You know, we're able to trackall these variables to find the
missing link that you cannotpossibly find unless someone's
looking at you with a magnifyingglass and how you're living day
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in and day out, and apractitioner is just not in a
position to do that financiallyand energetically.
And that's why you need a teamand that's why I believe it's
the future, not that again, afunctional leading practitioner
like you or anybody else isalready going to get better
results than the average by far.
I just think every practitionerbecomes super powered when they
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create more of an integratedsystem, and I'm living proof.
Right, I'm living proof.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Yeah, I think it's wonderful man.
I think it's.
I really just want to say thankyou for your work, thank you
for your passion.
I'm right there with you that Ithink coaches we need really
good quality coaches that canaddress the big movers that
people are sort of sufferingwith.
So I appreciate you so much.
Thank you for being here.
And just so everyone knows, youknow, let them know where they
(52:59):
can get you.
I know it's it's it's vitalcoaching right.
V I, d A LV.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
I D A Lcom.
They can check it out.
We have really advancedassessments on there that'll
tell them what systems are offfor them, so that you know if
I've got a gut issue but I'm notsure what else is going on and
why I have a chronic gut issue.
You can fill out our advancedassessments and it'll give you
really good reports on what elsemight be involved.
You can check out my content onVince Vince underscore, pit
(53:26):
stick and that's pit and sticklike an Australian deodorant.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
You can't forget that , and that's what I was doing.
Actually, I was just.
I was just finding you, myfriend.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yeah, and all I want people to do is have an open
mind.
If people are still listeningto this, cause I didn't piss
them off.
All I'm asking you to do is togive a guy a chance and start
consuming my content, read mysuccess stories and you're going
to start going.
There's something different.
I'm not quite sure what thisguy's doing, cause I'm not quite
(53:55):
sure what this guy's doingbecause I'm just not seeing this
anywhere else and then you'regoing to first ask yourself is
this legitimate or not?
You know, and all I ask is youkeep consuming the content,
because truth and and and truecare and concern is almost
impossible to fake long enough.
And uh, and that's why I know,uh, eventually, and again, if
you ever want to consult, youwant to reach out, if you have
any questions about what I said.
You know we're heavy in our.
You know we're getting hundredsof questions a day, but we love
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answering all the questions,because every life that we can
get to touch is going to be alife change.
We're real serious about that.
And then you know, if you guyswant, uh, you can also go over
the university metabolicuniversity, metabolic mentor,
universitycom and we canliterally train you or train one
of your team members to run oursystems in your practice, and
we guarantee results.
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Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Yeah, so just as a reminder, everyone it's on
Instagram.
I just followed you, vince, soit's Vince.
Underscore pit stick onInstagram it's VitalCoachingcom,
right V-I-D-A's vitalcoachingcom, right, vidal
coachingcom.
And yeah, I love the.
The metabolic mentor university.
Is that what it is?
Speaker 2 (54:56):
that's, that's yeah yeah, yeah, also you need to
look it up as mmu.
We got great practitioners overthere training uh, dr, uh or
nurse practitioner megan delcorral, gary Jones and then some
of the best coaches that havecombined functional medicine and
sport together, like Alan Crestand myself.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah, I so appreciate you, vince.
Thank you so much for your work.
Actually, you and I share afriend in Cary, so I'm going to
tell her I discovered you andgot to hang out with you.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
And yeah, man, I appreciate you so much, Do me a
favor.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
Vince, hang on the line.
Yeah, oh, she's the best.
She's the best.
Hang on the line.
I'm going to shut everythingdown, but I just want to make
sure everything uploaded and forall of you.
Thank you for hanging out withme and Vince, and we will see
you at the next show.
Everybody, thank you.
Welcome to the show, everybody.
This is the Next Level Humanpodcast.
I am your host, Dr Jay Tita.
Today I have Vince Pitstickwith me, who actually is a guy
who is very much like myself.
We were just talking before hecame on.
We're meeting each other forthe first time and both of us
have kind of gnashed our teethin this world of functional
medicine, specificallyendocrinology around
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specifically women and men, TRT,bioidentical hormone
replacement therapy, all thatkind of stuff, and Vince is
going to talk a little bit aboutthis.
But Vince also trainsprofessionals, as do I, and so
we have a lot of overlap, me andyou, Vince.
This is going to be fun.
My boy, Chase Tuning, who's alsoa friend of yours, put us
together First time we'remeeting.
(00:44):
But I'm excited to have thisconversation with you, partly
because I really like to hangout with other practitioners,
talk about the things that areworking for us both, talk about
the things that maybe don't andtalk about the things that maybe
you're doing, that I'm not,that I can learn from, and vice
versa.
So why don't you just kind ofkick us off with telling us a
(01:04):
little bit about your story?
I know you do a lot, I knowyou're in the clinic world.
You have a health coachinginstitute and university and do
a lot with practitioners andindividuals.
So how'd you get into this work, man?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, first, if people stay tuned, you're going
to hear some things aboutmetabolism and health that I
promise you you've probablynever heard before.
So I would stay tuned because,uh, some of the things that
we've discovered over 18 years,over my 55,000 case studies, um,
bring some points very clearabout metabolism, what's
(01:37):
happening to the average female,uh, and what's happening to the
general population that is notbeing recognized in the research
, and those are things that myspecific world is, the people
that are unresearched.
It's that if you are someonethat is overstressed and
underfed, this would be thepodcast for you to listen to
today.
And that is 50% of womenpopulation, but also happens to
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men, believe it or not.
And then you know they're notthe ones in the research because
, guess what, they don't havetime.
They're listening to this whilethey're going on to their next
thing, they're in transit to thenext thing they're about to do
because they're busy, right,they're not going to take the
$50 a day to get studied, soanyway.
So, yeah, I'm a functionalhealth coach, vince Pitsdick,
(02:23):
and I'm a really sick kid, sevenyears old, was a dropout of the
current medical system.
Tried to fill me full of drugsat a very early age Was dealing
with rare health issues,couldn't find the solution
inside conventional medicine,traveled the United States
learning about the wholeholistic world and there's a lot
(02:44):
of randomness out there andthere's lot of good stuff, uh,
good and bad, just like anything, um.
And so I had a very, very earlyum understanding of what it was
like to be misunderstood or tobe underrepresented, um, and to
be bounced around a lot with noanswers, um, and fall through
the cracks, and, and so todaymore than ever, that's on
(03:04):
display in the Western medicalsystem Everyone's falling
through the cracks if you have achronic issue, because chronic
lifestyle health issues, whichrepresents about 90% of illness
in today's society, does not getsolved in a conventional
practice because of the way thatthey're set up to solve
problems.
And so I decided to get my footin the world.
(03:25):
I dropped out of a financedegree.
I'm like what am I doing withmy life?
I just want to help people, andthe fastest way I could do that
was start was as a personaltrainer and started in personal
training, got really popularwith um, uh, reality TV stars
and a few other things, and anduh.
But then I didn't.
Really that wasn't my passion.
It was working with real people.
And when I started working withreal people, I started seeing
real problems and I realizedvery early that, whatever your
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title is personal trainer,nutritionist, nd, md, rd, you
know any of them is that you area trusted guide.
That is your primaryresponsibility, so that when
someone comes to you, your jobis to try to guide them to the
solution, even if you don't haveall the answers.
And so really early on and thisis during the personal training
(04:07):
boom you know about 18, 18 yearsago people were coming to me
for everything.
You know, I, um and I my onlymodality at the time was working
out.
So every answer involved youworking out to the part of the
solution.
And I realized, uh, that wasvery short sighted because I
knew what healing required.
It required multiple modalitieshappening at one time.
(04:28):
You know, for me, mind, bodyand spirit need to be in
alignment for healing to occur.
And when you're only working onone of those paths or you're
only working on one part of thebody, it's very hard to heal
something that's chronic,meaning past six months, because
it's leaked itself into othersystems of the body.
So I set on a mission that Iwanted to create a place one day
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I didn't know how I was goingto do it where people could
virtually or in person come inand someone could tie a whole,
coordinate all the things theywould need.
As a health advisor which laterbecame a health coach because
it didn't exist at the timebecame your health advisor that
coached you through it andwalked you through all the
different things you would needto do to liberate you to freedom
(05:09):
from everything, fromwhatever's holding you back.
And so I developed a very largesystem.
And then I got poached by aglobal health organization
called Metagenics.
You may be familiar with them,and they are.
They function as a greenpharmaceutical company.
What does that mean?
It means that they have aresearch facility in Gig Harbor,
washington, where they doresearch on functional medicine
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and different herbs anddifferent things.
Then they disseminate thatthrough their uh, their medical
relationships, through seminarsacross the world, and then they
have reps that go out and teachit.
And then and then they, thosereps, become functional
consultants how to build cashpay services, how to get health
services into your business thataren't just pills or procedures
, how to create longevity inyour patient base.
(05:53):
You know all these differentthings.
So I became an expert in allthese different areas.
I got to train under an amazingEinstein of our time, dr Jeffrey
Bland.
I am definitely a Blandite.
He was the founder of IFM andhe's got a book out called the
Disease Delusion.
He's probably a little toosmart for his own good, so some
of it's a little hard read, butit's the truth and it's amazing.
(06:15):
It's an amazing book if youhave time.
And so I learned this wholeworld of functional medicine
Didn't know it existed.
I paired that with mybodybuilding experience, my fat
loss experience and all theother tools that I had picked up
along the way in nutrition andin supplementation.
You know, when I got my startjust to give people context fish
oil and vitamin D were seenweird.
(06:35):
It was like you're recommendinga fish oil and vitamin D, right
?
And now today everyone's like,yeah, it's common sense.
You know, well, I believe thatthe things that we're going to
talk about today are going to bea common sense in a decade from
now.
And we're just ahead.
Just like when we go back tothe first nurse we talk about.
You know, florence Nightingale.
She had this crazy idea ofcleaning wounds, nutrition and
(07:00):
bed care and the human elementof healing, nutrition and bed
care and the human element ofhealing and creating a system
around that.
And the first nurse is almostlike your in-house modern coach,
and it was the human element ofhealing and it was the greatest
technology ever created inmedicine by far.
I mean you can argue it'spenicillin.
I don't think so.
Everything's delivered by anurse in the United States and
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the world today, and I believethat coaching, health coaching,
outbound health services are thenursing of the world today, and
I believe that coaching, healthcoaching, outbound health
services are the nursing of thenext century.
I believe everything that youhave will be delivered by a
coach, and so everything that Ido is training practitioners if
they want to use these services,or training them how to use
coaches in their practice, sothat they can get next level and
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create incredible outcomes.
So I created a method afterworking behind these doctors.
I worked with a thousanddoctors.
I saw how all different doctorssolved a problem.
I took all the best tools and Icreated a system out of it that
you can do virtually withanybody from home.
It's called the 4F system.
It's been trademarked and usedfor many years now, and then we
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teach it at our university toNPs, nds, but a lot of
entrepreneurial coaches too thatcan do it, and that's what I
did.
I opened up my first practice.
I jumped out of Metagenics.
I opened up my first coachingpractice, called Nutrition
Dynamic, in the back of achiropractic office in
Waynesville, ohio, with onlyfour people, 11 years, almost to
the day.
(08:25):
And then Vital Coaching, whichis what it's called today, is
now one of the largestone-on-one functional health
coaching companies in the UnitedStates, and then we launched a
whole network off of that that'sdedicated to changing the way
that fitness and medicalservices are delivered in the
United States, because it's theway that we solve problems and
deliver services that is exactlyopposed to healing, which is
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why Western medicine will neversolve the common man's problem.
And so that's where I'm attoday.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
That's where you get to today.
Yeah, I love your story, Vince.
I love your story and actuallyyou and I have a lot in common.
2004 is when I graduated fromBastyr University, which is, you
know, right there near GigHarbor.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I actually just spoke at the event.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, yeah, cool yeah yeah, yeah, and you know Jeff
Bland now is PLMI, so I justactually spoke at his event in
this past I guess what was it?
April, march?
So I was a speaker for PLMIwith Jeff.
So we have a lot in common andwe both have been certifying
professionals, sort of in thisspace and this is going to be a
(09:30):
really interesting conversation.
I guess let's.
And, by the way, that's vitalcoaching with a D right.
So it's V-I-D-A-L.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, yeah, V-I-D-A-L .
Yeah, Like Latin for life.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So yeah, yep, yeah.
So we you and I have a lot ofoverlapping stuff.
I am curious to learn now whatis the method Like?
So what did you?
You know you did all this work.
You had this really interestingsort of background, came from
finance, you know, obviously afit guy did all you know, went
(10:00):
through your own healthchallenges.
You know kind of gnashed yourteeth in metagenics.
It is an interesting place tobe right Because, just for the
listener to know, when you'reworking for one of these
companies, like a metagenics ora Thorne or something like that,
and you're a rep, you'reworking with doctors all day
long and you're talking to themabout their protocols and
helping them solve problems.
So you really are sort of rightthere with doctors, but you see
a bunch of them.
So you know, I'm sure that gaveyou a really interesting sort
(10:29):
of perspective.
And then you sort of went onyour own and you know are
building out, you know, this neworganization, vital Coaching.
So walk us through how you, youknow how you see this.
What is going on?
Why are so many peopleunhealthy?
What is the solution?
That you, after doing all thissort of research and watching
and observing and all your stuffthat you're seeing that you,
after doing all this sort ofresearch and watching and
observing and all your stuff,that you're seeing that you're
able to solve.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah.
So let's do this first.
I think the most importantthing for people to understand
is there is no one bad guy.
I know we want to simplify itand say it's carbohydrates,
birth control, antibiotics,toxicity in our environment,
toxic thoughts, EMF.
I mean we can sit here andscare ourselves a million ways
(11:08):
from Sunday.
I'm the enemy.
The general issue is total loadand we come up with this
concept in toxicity when wethink about total load effect.
There's three main stresspathways of the body emotional,
chemical and physical.
And if the body starts to getoverwhelmed in two of those
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pathways at once, I think all ofus have met the smoker that had
no problems until 80 years old.
They go through a divorce, theyget cancer and die.
I think we've all meet.
Let me go.
Covid is a perfect example.
Covid scared a lot of thepeople in fitness because it was
like oh, John in Washington andlike all John did was run seven
days a week and was an ultramarathoner and trained all the
(11:50):
time, and then he got COVID anddied.
Right, it's like well, whathappened?
Well, John was spending all ofhis stress coins in physical
stress and then he got anotheron top of that.
Right, he got.
When you come in with a viraland it created another
functional component and it shutthe system down right.
We all meet people that it's atthe intersection usually of
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those, one of those two comingtogether and then all of a
sudden creates disease and itbuilds up over time.
I don't wanna name one bad guybecause I think it gets us
over-focused on one thing whenwe really need to be looking at
the total concept and generallymaking improvements as we go in
every area to the best of ourability, and that will continue
to lower your net percent chanceof ending up with a chronic
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disease, which, by the way,everyone should know right now.
According to every national andglobal organization I don't
care if it's NATO, NIH, you nameany letter alphabet soup that
you want seven out of 10 peoplein the world will have a chronic
health issue by 2030.
I don't know if you want tocheck the time, but that's less
than six years, and so theproblem is it's coming for us,
(13:00):
it's coming for us all.
It's coming fast.
It is the pandemic of our time.
Everyone's asleep at the wheelbecause everyone's profiting
from it, so no one wants to talkabout the real elephant in the
room, yet the news will talkabout three people that got
Ebola in Massachusetts, but yetthe thing that's got seven out
of 10 of us almost right now, noone's talking about.
So I realized that no one'sgoing to do anything about it
(13:22):
because everyone's making moneyoff of it and if it's not a
grassroots demand of somethingdifferent and people coming
together, nothing's going to bedifferent.
Period end up, and I'm not.
I'm I'm that kind of guy thatcannot sit back and not do
anything.
And so the two things that Ifigured out that I think make me
starchly different was that Ifigured out that, if you take,
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for example, anyone canunderstand weight loss.
Right, what do we do in weightloss?
We create a system.
So if you go to bodybuilding,one of the greatest weight loss
systems you could talk about, oraesthetic systems we could talk
about, is bodybuilding.
What does bodybuilding do?
It sets up a structure, Okay,and then that structure is, is
coordinated, and then it iscoached, and then progress is is
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tracked daily, and and thenadjustments are slightly made to
make the person as comfortableas possible, but also push them
forward and continue to watchthese biomarkers and these
biofeedbacks to successfully getthem to the goal.
So that is a technology that isnot just random bro stuff.
That is a technology for howyou succeed in a complex system
(14:30):
like the body where multiplevariables are changing all the
time behind.
And he's he nailed it talkingabout uh.
As a consultant I was behind alot of the doctors because of my
experience coming in in weightloss.
(14:50):
Everybody wanted to know likemy answers, because I came in as
a successful practitioneroutside of being a rep.
It was a little differentpeople that are born into being
a rep and they didn't create anysuccess outside of that.
Practitioners may look at themdifferently, but when you've had
success outside of it and thenyou become a rep, they really
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look at you and I mean a lot ofmy doctors to get to know them.
I would sit in on their casestudies in the background for a
day at one office, if it was bigenough, this office.
For a day at one office, if itwas big enough, this office.
And what I realized is thatbecause of specialization in
Western medicine you can neveractually truly fully solve a
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problem and make someone well.
So, for example, if you go to achiropractor, every solution is
going to involve adjustment.
If you go to a hormonespecialist, almost every
solution that you're going tofind is going to involve a
hormone.
If I go to an NP who'scardiovascular, let's say MD
who's cardiovascular focused andevery answer almost involves
(15:54):
Lipitor or something of the sort, more than six months it is no
longer in the one system thatyou're focused on.
So Western medicine is systemsmedicine.
It means everyone plays niceand everything's subdivided into
11 systems.
So you stay in your area, I'llstay in my area, We'll just work
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our clients in our specificsystem and all will be well.
And that's really nice forbilling and it's really nice for
logical organization of anindustry.
But it is fundamentally opposedto how people heal.
Because after six months, evenif you have a joint issue like
if I have tennis elbow and I getit for a short period of time
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and then it comes back and thenit comes back again and I can't
get rid of it the problem isn'tjust in my elbow, it's in my
immune system, Because theinflammation that has been in my
joint so long is now hangingout because the immune activity
is high in the joint.
So I'm not just dealing withthe musculoskeletal issue
anymore, I'm dealing with animmunological, pro-inflammatory
issue and a structural issue.
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Does that make sense?
So, like, all of a sudden, moresystems become involved in the
problem.
And so if someone really wantsan answer, if someone's
listening to this and they'restruggling with something and
they've gone to a 17 millionpeople, it's probably because
they only are working onemodality at a time and you
cannot do that.
You have to work multiplethings at once.
And in bodybuilding, ironically,when you think about it, you
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get supplements, you get yourdiet, you get your workouts.
Maybe they're great aboutmindset, right, they're working
multiple modalities.
So what I did was is I took theframework of bodybuilding that
creates exceptional outcomes inaesthetic performance.
I took functional medicine,science, and then I just changed
the problem that you weretrying to solve in the framework
(17:38):
.
So instead of a hey, I want tobe 10% body fat, it's hey, I
want to reverse diabetes.
Hey, I want to get pregnant.
Hey, I want to get rid of thisautoimmune disorder, I want to
get rid of my IBS.
And so if you took functionalmedicine, science, and then you
systematize the deductiveprocess right inside of a
bodybuilding framework, meaningthat we control your training,
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control your mindset, we controlyour nutrition, we control your
daily process, you know, andthen we walk you through it by
holding your hand every step,and then we're being very
meticulous about tracking yourbiofeedback to find problems
that are occurring that otherpeople who aren't paying
attention would not find, andthen run labs as we're doing it.
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You create incredible,unattainable otherwise outcomes.
So coaching as a technologywill outdo the best specialized
practitioner in any field,Unless you're dealing with
children's heart surgery orcancer issues.
(18:42):
You might want to bespecialized for that, but know,
but if you take anendocrinologist, that's an
average endocrinologist and youput a health coach behind them
and now the person's gettingcoaching while they're doing the
endocrinology, guess what 10times the outcome, right, I, I
so.
So that's the first thing.
The second thing that I learnedwas there's 11 systems to the
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body and that as I looked atthousands of cases I probably
reviewed over 70,000 cases in myfive years that I was at
Metagenics.
One of the things that Ilearned was, once somebody gets
systemically inflamed, is thatthe 11 systems all get off
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disproportionately, Like maybemy GI systems, you know, not
working at 20% of its capacity,and then maybe my liver is 10%
off and maybe my thyroid is 20%of the problem, and then maybe
my whatever, whatever it isright, Whatever that imbalance
is.
I learned that there is a,there is a code that if you turn
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on certain systems first, theother systems will start to turn
back online.
It's like spinning plates.
The body is an ecosystem, right?
It's not a machine where youcan work on one thing and just
fix the wiring here and themachine will work.
It is a diverse ecosystem.
(20:04):
That, just like if I was goingto put a lawn together in my
backyard and, let's say, I go tothe neighbor and the neighbor's
like oh, because he has anamazing lawn, and I'm like what
seed did you use?
And then I bring the seed backand I dump it all over my lawn,
but I don't water it correctly,I don't irrigate it correctly
and I don't do it at the righttime of the year.
I end up with the same shittylawn, Right, oh?
(20:25):
So then I go back to theneighbor and I go okay, how much
water did you use?
So now I go back and I justdump all the water, but then I
didn't relay the seed, I didn'tdo things in the right order and
I didn't include everythingthat needed to be there for the
ecosystem to thrive.
Right, I'm still going to endup with the same shitty lawn,
and so this is why a lot ofpeople feel disenfranchised,
(20:47):
because when they go to a doctor, they think they're going to
solve the problem, when really astandard Western medicine
doctor is fundamentally opposedin their problem solving skills
and how you solve problems.
That's the issue.
So what we did is we created asystem called the 4F method.
The 4F method begins withcertain.
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When you come in, I don't evenhave to know what your problem
is.
I don't, I have to.
I just have to know how systems, the systems of the body, work
and how to turn them back on inorder.
And if I work a system in order.
Now, we love labs and all thosethings, but we took 7,000
people.
We ran the 4F process, turningon certain systems first, so,
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for example, the endocrinelymphatic right, and then, in
opening the liver, we startthere, Then we move on to the
gastrointestinal system, Then wemove on to a couple of the
other systems.
I don't want to bore everybodywith everything because they'll
forget everything I said, butthere's there's a there's an
order of operations that if Iturn the light switches on, like
my, if my power goes out andI'm and I'm turning switches
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back on on my generator or myyou know, my switch outlet that
everything else will turn backon and start to work again.
And so when I realized that Ijust took all the things that
doctors were doing because I hadthis 50,000 foot view I took
all the best stuff of thedifferent systems, things that I
could do virtually or in person, put them in an order and then
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started executing on that method.
And that's when I quit and saidyou guys will not.
You know most doctors.
They're committed to certainty.
They're not willing to investin coaching.
They're not willing to stopdoing the main thing that,
whatever their shtick is, it'slike I do pellet hormones, I do
X, I do Y.
It's my moneymaker, I'm notgoing to stop doing it.
Well, the problem is you have a90 degree solution of a 360
(22:43):
degree problem and you're okaywith it because it's how you
financially make your money andthat's fine.
But I don't want to do thisanymore, Right?
So I quit, metagenics, opened upmy own thing and I was going to
show everybody you can have apractice that leads with health
coaching and make millions ofdollars.
And that's exactly what I did.
I have practitioners, I havedoctors.
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You can see one of the doctorsat our clinic anytime.
You can see one of the nursesat our clinic anytime.
But you don't need to.
The coaches handle everythingfor you, because that's what you
need.
You need to be coached to thewin.
You don't need to be medicatedor procedured to the wind and um
, and that's what changedeverything for me.
(23:25):
Um and uh, you know.
So that's that's kind of how Iapproach complex systems like
the human body through the fourF method and um, it's flush feed
fast in function and we'reworking different systems in
every F and you progress throughthe Fs, being coached, and then
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if you need a prescription oryou need a drug or we need
something that requiressomething outside the scope of
the practice of the coach, youcan just see the medical team
for free on staff, and that'show I developed the system.
So I have my own integratedhealthcare system now and I told
the rest of the world to take ahike because we don't need you
Western medicine.
In fact, you're the problemnumber one that coaches are
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really in a better position todo the primary care that a lot
of doctors are doing.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
It sounds like you're saying that because a lot of
these practitioners, from yourpoint of view, are too
specialized to be able to take aholistic sort of approach.
So that sounds like the firstthing you're saying, and the
other thing it sounds likeyou're saying is that there's a
systems approach that you usethat is essentially a stepwise
(24:50):
process that you bringindividuals through, that you
notice, through your education,that you should start with.
So, again, I think people canraise their eyebrows at this.
So I want to hear, you know, Iknow I'm imagining what some of
the listeners might be saying.
Right, they might be saying tothemselves well, how, what?
Who are these coaches?
What is their background?
(25:11):
You know what happens if someoneyou know has a condition that
needs to be diagnosed.
You know, like you know, isthis do they go see a doctor
first, Then they come see thecoach, and then, you know, some
people might raise theireyebrows at this process too and
say, okay, well, this is whatmakes this different from just
anyone else who's doing, youknow, a cookbook protocol Like
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what is the?
What is the?
What is the differences there?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, you asked some really great questions.
I love these and I'm very opento hard questions because
because it is it is a hard thingto wrap your mind around when
you're used to going in seeing alicensed professional right off
the bat that says here's yourdiagnosis, now let me prescribe
a therapy and see if it works.
So when you go to a normaldoctor, what happens is that you
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go in and then they're going tolook for evidence that would
suggest a diagnosis, becauseit's the diagnosis.
Then, according to the codesand the diagnosis codes that
allows them insurance reasons togo ahead and provide a
prescription or procedure andthey have to operate within that
framework called a standard ofcare.
That makes them very limited.
(26:17):
So you think you're getting alot of options, but you're
typically not.
You're going to get the runofof-the-mill option that is
taught to them probably 25 yearsago.
They probably didn't get anycontinuing ed on it.
There are forward thinkers,there are great doctors out
there.
Let me say that there are a lotof great people out there, but
the majority of Westernhealthcare is what I'm
describing and I find it to bethe problem.
(26:40):
That's why we have more doctors, more prescriptions, more
medical centers and yet we'regetting sicker in almost every
health category in human historyfaster than ever.
So it's clearly not solving theproblem right.
And so what we're saying isright is something a little bit
different.
So again, you could go.
(27:01):
If anyone's ever gone to adoctor and they go I think it's
Crohn's.
Let me prescribe this.
All right, we'll give it atrial.
That didn't work, come back.
We'll try something else.
That's called inductivereasoning.
So if you ever want to read abook that'll change your life on
how you problem solve, read thebook.
It's called the Problem ofInduction.
If you can bore through it,cause holy cow.
(27:22):
It's boring, but theinformation that it has is
absolutely incredible.
And instead you want to go to apractitioner or of any kind
that says all right, mrs Jones,you have symptom X, y and Z.
Here are all the differentvariables that could be involved
in why you have X, y and Z.
Like, let's say, you've got aheadache, you go to a doctor,
(27:44):
you got a headache, they'regoing to prescribe a headache
medication and then they'regoing to see if that works and
then come back and see me.
And if that doesn't work, we'lltry something else.
That's called inductivereasoning.
Deductive reasoning is like okay, mrs Jones, you've got a
headache.
Well, here's the simplestthings that it could be First,
(28:09):
simplest things that it could be.
First, hydration statuselectrolytes could be, iron
could be, your hormones could bewe need to open up your liver,
so it could be any one of thesethings.
So what I'm going to do is tocreate a high level of success.
That's why our programs haveover 95% success rate is I'm
going to work a process thatdeductively eliminates all of
those variables and work towardsthe symptom and then the
outcomes become 10 times greater.
So it's a deductive processwhere you put theoretically
(28:31):
multiple steps together and thentest the solution.
That's deductive reasoning.
And so, through that framework,when you go to a coach, right,
the coach is going to providenutritional and again, we still
have our medical team that willsee people all the time if
they've got a lot of problems.
But most of my coaches arealready dietitians.
(28:52):
You know some of them are RNs,some of them have experience, in
case we need to send them forsomething more immediate.
But most of the processes thatpeople can run do not require a
prescription.
So if they don't require aprescription and they don't
require a procedure that youneed to prescribe, then why does
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everything have to go through aphysician?
So our coaches are internallycertified and then they're
supervised by our medical teamsand if anything needs to be
upregulated, they are.
But most of the things thatyou're going to do, that you can
change, whether it'ssupplementally, nutritionally,
in your lifestyle, in yourmovement, all of that can be
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done right, um, without muchharm.
And and that's why our work,they're trained.
And, again, depending on whatissues you have going on, we run
different labs, of course, gimaps, everything from genetics
tests we love genetics coachingI think it's the future when
more detail comes through but wecreate a strategy.
(29:54):
So once your intake's in ourteam looks at it, then your
coach just executes it right.
But a lot of our coaches are sogood and have seen it so much
they don't even need any reallyoversight, even though they have
it.
Because, again, coaches don'tneed to know every disease and
everything in the world.
You don't?
I know that that sounds foreign, it's like no, I have to know
(30:15):
exactly what it is and get adiagnosis to fix it.
Most of the great practitionersin the world are not healing
that way.
They're dealing with all thefundamental root issues.
All the root issues don'trequire a prescription.
That's why it's called rootcause medicine, right?
And so that's why we take, whenyou take a root cause approach,
the likelihood of a causing anyharm.
(30:38):
First off, we make sure we'retrained enough that you're not
going to run into those problems, so we're not going to give you
any contraindications.
We're not going to give alicorice to a high blood
pressure patient, right, thingslike that, but a lot of those
things.
Our method that is prescriptedhas already taken all of this
into account to make sure thatthere's no chance for
contraindication.
And then we walk you throughthe four steps.
(31:00):
And again, the reason thatwe're different is because we're
the largest and, at scale, oursuccess rate is so high and you
can see our results.
One thing that makes me upsetabout medical practices and I
know that you have HIPAA is theyare not results-driven
businesses.
Doctors do not have to promotetheir success stories.
All they have to do is put onthe wall their licenses.
(31:20):
That says somebody else gavethem the permission to do the
thing, but that doesn't meanthey can do the thing, right.
And, unfortunately, becauseit's not a results driven
business, right, you don't knowhow to evaluate if someone's
actually really good at whatthey do or not, and so you're
kind of left to wonder, and alot of times you can tell,
because the average doctor'shealth themselves is worse than
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the patients that they're seeing, and that's pretty evident when
you walk into any clinic in thecountry.
I know I'm being pretty harshon medicine.
I think medicine is veryimportant, I think it's an
incredible tool and there aremany good doctors out there.
But I'm telling you they arenot the solution to 95% of
society's problem, and it's madevery apparent, and so that's
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kind of like my thesis.
And, by the way, all metrics andforecasting show that
functional health services andhealth coaching is the future.
When you look at forecasting,when you look at some of the
major medical insurancecompanies are looking to add
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coaching services to theirmedical operations and to their
networks outbound healthservices.
It's where everything's going.
I fully contend for you in 20years, everything that you do
outside of AI, the rest ofmedicine is going to be AI.
You put your symptoms into acalculator and then Amazon's
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going to drop you off aprescription by two o'clock,
which sounds really nice, butonce again, that's not how
healing is done either.
So outside of that everythingelse is going to be delivered by
some form of a coach that theygive.
They may not call it a coach,you know it's going to be
whatever your health advisor orwhatever.
When they first by the way, whenthey first created you know
(33:05):
cause, dr Jeffrey Bland createdthe first what's called um, what
they call first health coachwas called a first line
therapist.
That was the.
That was the first health coach.
Health coach the word didn'teven exist.
Uh, and so when we created oursystem, there was you know again
, this is now 12 years ago therewasn't even a term for what we
were talking about, where it waslike a health coach that used
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functional medicine sciences.
It just didn't really exist.
So we coined the termfunctional nutrition, um,
because it was, it was.
It just seemed like it fitreally well, um, and we were
just, we were doing somethingthat just didn't exist yet and
we needed to find a way totranslate and communicate what
we were trying to do.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, all all this is super
interesting.
I'll run some thoughts by youand kind of get your take on
this vince and let the listenerkind of listen in on two people,
yeah, so on.
On the one hand, I agree withyou, right, like to me.
I think that, um, I would sayand a lot of people who listen
to this podcast know that I wason my way to traditional medical
(34:03):
school and they didn't have anyexercise, any nutrition or any
psychology in their curriculum.
I was on my way to EastCarolina University and made a
pivot.
It was kind of like one of thefirst things, like what am I
going to do now?
So at the time I went intonaturopathic medical school,
which is a whole marketingdebacle to call that, and that
was back.
You know they never should havecalled it that, but that became
(34:25):
in my mind.
That became a functionalmedicine.
One of the things that I'llshare with you and share with
the listeners, which thelisteners know, is that I agree
with you.
You said something early onthat you basically like.
You know there's a lot ofnonsense in the alternative,
complementary world, I agree,and there's also a lot of
nonsense in the traditionalworld.
So I really like you know,that's where I think functional
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medicine is really trying to dothe best that they can do here's
.
Here's some of the things thatthat I thoughts on this.
I still have become, and I'mone of these people who just
likes to do you know, I like todo what works.
I'll take whatever fromwhatever place.
I don't care if it'sconventional medicine,
alternative medicine or whatever, as long as it works.
(35:07):
But one of the things I havefound is that functional
medicine does not work that welleither.
For the vast majority of peopleit's better than traditional
medicine.
I think it's better thancomplementary medicine.
From my perspective it stilldoesn't work great and part of
the reason is that, because ofour limited understanding is
because we're still doingprotocol medicine.
So it used to be like you know,you got a headache, like you
(35:32):
said, and we give you an NSAIDfor that headache and that's
about as simple as it gets.
But then it goes to morecookbook medicine outside of the
traditional realm where it'slike oh, here's your gut
protocol or here's your blah,blah, blah protocol and that
stuff works for some people andfor the vast majority of people
I think it fails.
Now I could be wrong.
Vince may have a differentopinion than I on that.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
And then the next part is with the coaching, with
the coaches.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It's really interesting as well.
Right, because you talked aboutthe whole bodybuilding sort of
lifestyle.
I kind of come from that samesort of background.
There's a lot of things thatcan be done that are you know,
we are all each individuals, butthere are overlapping things
that we all could be doing thatare going to benefit most people
.
And I think for a coach caneasily deliver much of that.
(36:25):
And so one of the things that Ikind of look at is I go, yeah,
I get the idea that a coach canyou know when they're doing sort
of generalized, overarchinghealth information can be really
good from that perspective.
And you know protocols can workto some degree.
They're better than you know, Ithink, what has been out there,
but I still it's interesting.
(36:46):
I'm still so curious, like whenyou say something like 95%, you,
you know rates of, you knowachievement or success.
You know, for me, I'm like atmy very best in medicine.
You know people ask me all thetime like Jake, what do you do?
And I'm like, well, I'm inpersonal transformation and
physical transformation.
They're like, well, what isthat like doing that work?
And I'm like, well, if you wantto fail most of the time.
(37:08):
Then you have an idea of what Ido.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
So of course my ears go up and go.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
How are you achieving these kind of results from this
perspective?
And I'm also curious, becauseyou mentioned this idea that
most of us can't map this stuffbecause of HIPAA compliance.
So I'm wondering how are youmeasuring success?
So those are all my sort ofthings and wondering your
thoughts on that Couplequestions.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
So I love what you're saying.
So, first off, you're exactlyright.
Protocols are step one.
So, like anything, like servicecenters in bodybuilding, if I
apply a stimulus so I train youa certain way, I'm going to be
watching daily in a tracker andI'm going to be watching your
results and then the minute Iapply a uh, a protocol, your
body is in a complex system soit's going to go left or right
(37:55):
on me, okay.
So when you teach trueprotocols, you have to teach a
protocol tree based on if andstatements.
Okay, and, and so that's why Iagree with you 100%.
If you try to do protocols,you're going to get it right 50%
of the time and probably 40%.
But that's why biofeedback,tracking and weekly or biweekly
(38:19):
adjustments is how you winviable.
Okay for them to spend thatmuch time unless there's
somebody getting their startright and two right.
Their main money may be inhormones or it may be in
whatever.
What I'm suggesting for you isthat we don't need to replace
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doctors, but doctors will nothire coaches.
So since they won't, I'm justgoing to launch coaches and keep
showing us how we can do ituntil they get it Like.
This is the future.
Doctors just don't get it andthey're afraid to change their
practices or do anythingdifferent because they can't
always see how they're going tobe able to scale a practice
doing it.
That's why our universityteaches doctors how to scale
businesses with coaches, becauseyour outcomes become insane and
you keep people way longer andpeople show up to their
(39:07):
appointments and they take theirpills and everyone's afraid to
do it.
And that's why I'm walkingaround kind of wagging my tail
because I built an eight figurebusiness doing the thing I told
them they can do that they'reunwilling to do.
If anyone's listening to thisright now and I can show you how
to do it in your business right, and I don't like to build
businesses, I just give you thetools and the systems.
My team can take care of it.
(39:28):
But what I'm getting at isyou're exactly right, protocols
don't get it done.
So you can go to your weekendseminar and you can get your
protocol and then you can try toapply it into your practice.
But if somebody isn't in therecoaching you to know how to do
it, that's why our university isa trade school.
Just like I used to do with thedoctors, I go in there every
single week and show them thenext thing to do and the next
thing to do and the next thingto do.
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You'll never know how to do itto the level that you would need
to know how to do it, so you'llstop doing it.
You'll never make any money offof it.
People won't come back in forthe service.
You'll start and you'll stop.
That's what I ran into inMetagenics when I was trying to
build these systems.
So what we were able to do iscreate such a handheld system
where we're talking to ourclients weekly, we're making
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adjustments, either weekly orbiweekly, we're making it easier
in certain diet areas or inothers, and then putting them
through systems and then holdingtheir hand through it so they
can do it.
Now, the more committed theyare, the faster they can do this
.
So we have that success rate weoffer just so you know, we're
the only company that does thisIn 12 weeks.
If you come to my program in 12weeks, if you don't see
significant biofeedback changesmeasured in your labs or
(40:38):
measured in your biofeedback,and you've been following the
program, we will work with youfor free until you do.
That's our program.
We have a guarantee on outcomes.
We don't sell programs.
I'm done with that.
Most of these people go to thesecompanies.
They go to a naturopath, theygo to a Cairo, they go here,
they go there and they hope andthen they have failed, unmet
(40:59):
expectations and we just won'tstand for it.
And because our success rate isso high, I can actually do
something like that and and it'sbecause of the meticulous
nature it's the system.
The system is what does it.
If I follow you and I hold yourhand and I make certain
adjustments and you get tobelieving the placebo effect.
(41:20):
If I believe I can do it, I'mmore likely to do it If I start
changing some of the root causeissues that are leading to the
total scope of the problem andI'm using some of the right
protocols issues that areleading to the total scope of
the problem and I'm using someof the right protocols that
we're adjusting over time.
Anything is possible.
So when people look at my pageI post an infinite number you
(41:40):
can keep scrolling of the rarestconditions on planet earth
solving these problems.
We'll say solving because Idon't treat, cure, prevent any
disease, because I'm not alicensed practitioner.
All I do is provide you thenutritional, emotional,
lifestyle framework to changeanything in your life, and I
teach other people to do that.
And then again, though, I'mstill big on hormones and
peptides, so you can visit withour doctors anytime.
(42:02):
It's not that we're not.
We're being so cavalier, andthese coaches are following
protocols that were designed bywith me, my oversight by doctors
, so we're leveraging theirlicense.
I don't want people to thinkthat we're just like doing
whatever, but I do need peopleto realize that if we leave
healing only to the doctors,there's not enough of them to
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reach everyone at the fast thatwe're getting disease, and if
anyone is ever interested insolving this problem, all you
need to do is go to any.
Everyone at the fast that we'regetting disease, and if anyone
is ever interested in solvingthis problem, all you need to do
is go to any gym in the countrywhere people have.
There is 50 people in that gymjust dying to have purpose and
help others, and you can easilyequip them with a, with a, with
(42:46):
a three month training that nowthey become one of the best
healing weapons in the world.
You can build an army really,really fast, and you can do it
at low cost, and you can add somuch value to your practice.
It's like some of the doctorsthat I work with today, like Dr
Carrie Jones, she's a verypopular naturopath.
You may be familiar with her.
She speaks across the country.
(43:06):
She came in and saw our systemsand we can talk about something
specific particular to womenand weight loss, resistance and
menopause.
She saw our systems, she sawour outcomes.
She went back to Rupa health,quit the next day and started
working with it.
Right, a lot of my clients arehigh level professional doctors,
right, who can't seem to findthe answer in their, in their
(43:29):
own area of expertise.
And I don't want doctors tochange Like if anyone's
listening to this, and you'rethe best in the world at
hormones, keep doing hormones,but make sure that you've got
someone behind you that'sworking.
All the modalities and yourentire outcomes will change, and
outcomes is what will bringbusiness.
(43:51):
You don't even need a marketingarm.
We got this thing to 20 millionbefore we ever started doing
ads because of exceptionaloutcomes.
Outcomes becomes your marketingarm and then if I need a
prescription, if our people needa prescription, then they send
them over to the medical team.
The medical team takes a lookat them right Now.
The coaches usually know what'sgoing on.
(44:11):
So they'll relay what theythink is going on.
But the doctor is the ultimateauthority, or our NPs are, you
know, and they take a look andthat's where we might use.
I love using compounds, peptidesand hormones.
I love using those.
We don't use them right away.
That comes later, when we getto the hormones component of the
process, when the second partof the endocrine system.
(44:33):
We focus on the upper part ofthe endocrine system, first
thyroid, adrenal hypothalamusand then, as we move through the
body, after we've opened theliver, after we've opened the GI
, improved detoxification,opened up the kidneys, then we
move into hormone sensitivity.
We're working on insulin,leptin, ghrelin, blood sugars,
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then we work on hormones.
That's the correct order.
A lot of times, when you try towork hormones first, if you try
to manipulate hormones with abunch of inflammation on top of
it, you just end up with awatery mess.
You probably know that if youwork in the hormone field, if
someone comes in and a doctor,they don't do anything else but
the hormones and they just drop200 milligrams of progesterone
(45:16):
and maybe, like you know, 12 orto 20 milligrams of testosterone
.
What happens to the person?
Do they lose weight?
No, they turn into a watery,swollen mess and they're still
tired.
So, like there's an order ofoperations, typically that make
it really successful.
So before we put if they needhormones even if they need them,
we're doing it natural firstsee what happens.
(45:36):
Even if they don't needhormones, we're going to clear
all that out of there, get ridof all that cellular
inflammation and then thehormones can be felt.
You know, people can haveadequate hormone levels, but
highly inflamed and can't feelsensitivity to their hormones,
so they don't feel the energythat they're supposed to from
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the hormone level that they have.
So you see that there's anorder of operations and if you
do it it can unlock anything.
And I challenge anyone listeningto this.
Challenge me to it.
Reach out to my Instagram.
If we can't significantlyimprove you in 12 weeks, call me
on it.
But that's why I'm you know, Iknow I sound very bold and brash
and it sounds salesy and all ofthis and the reason that I am
(46:18):
this way is I'm trying to be inpeople's faces to show them that
there is another way to do this, and when people find out that
it's the truth and it'slegitimate, then everyone gets
on board and we really have analternative way of coming at the
problem, which is globalchronic disease.
Now, you're not going to fix anyevery structural issue, like
I'm not.
If you have an SI joint tear,there might be things that there
(46:41):
are some things that functionalmedicine alone may not fix.
Okay, like if you have agunshot wound, thank God for
modern medicine, I'm not goingto do anything about that.
Or early cancer, if you'regoing to do chemo and those are
blessings, you know, and and weusually sometimes have them go
on meds If you want to.
If you need to start on anautoimmune med, or you need to
start on a cholesterol med, oryou need to start on a.
(47:01):
I'm not demonizing medicine.
It's a great tool.
It is overused and it's overleveraged.
Is that that means health andit doesn't?
And so you know, that's whatyou know our vital ecosystem is
about, and I appreciate youbeing, I'm sure I you're a lot
like me, so you've got a lot ofopinions and I've just listened
(47:22):
to you sit here and likegracefully, listen to all this
and you're super awesome.
I appreciate you, you know.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yeah, listen to all this and you're super awesome.
I appreciate you.
Yeah, no, I appreciate you aswell, and I think we have a lot,
a lot of overlap.
I have one more line ofquestioning for you, just
because I'm curious and, by theway, I think, just so.
You hear this Vince and a lotof people listeners too.
I think what Vince is talkingabout.
Many listeners will hear it, asstructured flexibility is how I
describe it.
It sounds like what you'redoing, vince, is you're given a
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structure because everyone needsa starting place, so that's a
protocol.
We have to start you somewhere.
But then there's flexibilitybased on the individual, based
on their biofeedbacks, theirlaboratory reports, and it
sounds like that's how you'reguiding the individual.
That's what I'm hearing, and Ithink a lot of my listeners will
recognize the term structuredflexibility, which is a term I
(48:10):
use.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
That is perfect.
But, for example, I certifycoaches at my university and
then we work with practices andI tell practices.
I said I'm going to put a coachinto your business for a low
risk to you.
They're going to either work mysystem, but then if there's
something that you like, that'sparticular to you, that's
valuable to you, we'll add thatto make sure that that's being
(48:31):
done.
The health coach becomes mostof your customer service.
Hey, do you want to take halfless emails?
Guess what?
Put a health coach in yourbusiness right, like, like.
But you have to be willing torisk it and then prescribe it or
add it to a monthly plan orbuild it into your fee of
service, and everyone's afraidto do that.
Everyone's going to stick towhatever shtick they got that
(48:52):
they're doing Because, like,that's what I'm getting at.
Because what you're talkingabout with structured variation
is we are flexible.
You know, we, we really believe.
Early on in you startMediterranean pescatarian to the
best of your ability Then thenyou lead them into, because I
created a diet called the flushmethod and that will, like,
(49:14):
amplify your metabolism, get ridof most of your fatigue, clear
a lot of the basic residualsthat people get, that are very
common and almost everyone kindof runs into.
Because you got to clear thekids out of the street, I almost
don't like looking at labsuntil I flushed you out, because
half of what't like looking atlabs until I flushed you out,
because half of what I'm lookingat labs is what you've just
done to yourself dietarily andemotionally the last eight weeks
(49:36):
.
So I flushed that out and thenI like like what's the real
problems I'm going to be lookingat?
And then we like to run labsand um, but uh, you know, we
develop these differentnutritional systems, start
pescetarian, we flush the body,then we like to go into
something that's what we call acarb pulsing.
We believe in diet variation isthe key to health.
(49:58):
Every diet works if you work it, until you work it too long.
So this is the problemMonotonous diets cause
monocolonization of the gut,which leads to overproduction of
certain organic acids.
That leads to immunologicalupregulation and inflammation.
And so we use a tool where wehave you eat certain foods three
(50:19):
days and then different foodsanother three days and you pulse
it back and forth and then,once all the rest of your
inflammation is gone from that,then we get into autophagy.
We either teach you how to maybego into carnivore or go into
like a low carb diet for a while, or go into ketosis whichever
you're comfortable with you canpick or go into intermittent
fasting, because there's so muchhealing in fasting that people
(50:43):
have no idea.
I've seen it with my own eyes.
You know the Bible mentionsfasting 77 times.
For a reason Every religion inthe world can't agree on one
thing but fasting.
That should tell you something.
Maybe there's something there.
Whether you believe there's aGod or not, it's a book of
wisdom and so maybe there'ssomething wise about it.
So we put people through alittle bit of like a you know
(51:05):
what's easy on them to get theminto some form of autophagy or
fasting.
Then we optimize their hormonesand we feed them up, and then
that's called our function phase.
So that way we make sure youfunction the way that you want
to.
Maybe you want to functiongreat in.
I want to.
I want to build muscle, or Iwant to function to have the
best energy, or I want tofunction to manage my Crohn's,
(51:27):
or I want to function to managethis issue or whatever it is.
And that's where you come up thefour systems you know flush
feed, fast function and um andso, yeah, that's uh, that's what
I've been able to do and so,but I agree with you, you know,
being able to meet them wherethey're at, even if they can't.
They're not good at dieting atall.
Maybe they just need to learnhow to like cut out processed
(51:47):
foods first.
Maybe they just need to learnhow to sleep more.
Maybe we put on an HRV ring onthem to see if they're how their
oxygen status is at night.
You know, maybe they've gotproblems breathing, because it
has a lot of issues to do withpeople's health.
You know, we're able to trackall these variables to find the
missing link that you cannotpossibly find unless someone's
looking at you with a magnifyingglass and how you're living day
(52:09):
in and day out, and apractitioner is just not in a
position to do that financiallyand energetically.
And that's why you need a teamand that's why I believe it's
the future, not that again, afunctional leading practitioner
like you or anybody else isalready going to get better
results than the average by far.
I just think every practitionerbecomes super powered when they
(52:31):
create more of an integratedsystem, and I'm living proof.
Right, I'm living proof.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Yeah, I think it's wonderful man.
I think it's.
I really just want to say thankyou for your work, thank you
for your passion.
I'm right there with you that Ithink coaches we need really
good quality coaches that canaddress the big movers that
people are sort of sufferingwith.
So I appreciate you so much.
Thank you for being here.
And just so everyone knows, youknow, let them know where they
(52:59):
can get you.
I know it's it's it's vitalcoaching right.
V I, d A LV.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
I D A Lcom.
They can check it out.
We have really advancedassessments on there that'll
tell them what systems are offfor them, so that you know if
I've got a gut issue but I'm notsure what else is going on and
why I have a chronic gut issue.
You can fill out our advancedassessments and it'll give you
really good reports on what elsemight be involved.
You can check out my content onVince Vince underscore, pit
(53:26):
stick and that's pit and sticklike an Australian deodorant.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
You can't forget that , and that's what I was doing.
Actually, I was just.
I was just finding you, myfriend.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yeah, and all I want people to do is have an open
mind.
If people are still listeningto this, cause I didn't piss
them off.
All I'm asking you to do is togive a guy a chance and start
consuming my content, read mysuccess stories and you're going
to start going.
There's something different.
I'm not quite sure what thisguy's doing, cause I'm not quite
(53:55):
sure what this guy's doingbecause I'm just not seeing this
anywhere else and then you'regoing to first ask yourself is
this legitimate or not?
You know, and all I ask is youkeep consuming the content,
because truth and and and truecare and concern is almost
impossible to fake long enough.
And uh, and that's why I know,uh, eventually, and again, if
you ever want to consult, youwant to reach out, if you have
any questions about what I said.
You know we're heavy in our.
You know we're getting hundredsof questions a day, but we love
(54:16):
answering all the questions,because every life that we can
get to touch is going to be alife change.
We're real serious about that.
And then you know, if you guyswant, uh, you can also go over
the university metabolicuniversity, metabolic mentor,
universitycom and we canliterally train you or train one
of your team members to run oursystems in your practice, and
we guarantee results.
(54:36):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Yeah, so just as a reminder, everyone it's on
Instagram.
I just followed you, vince, soit's Vince.
Underscore pit stick onInstagram it's VitalCoachingcom,
right V-I-D-A's vitalcoachingcom, right, vidal
coachingcom.
And yeah, I love the.
The metabolic mentor university.
Is that what it is?
Speaker 2 (54:56):
that's, that's yeah yeah, yeah, also you need to
look it up as mmu.
We got great practitioners overthere training uh, dr, uh or
nurse practitioner megan delcorral, gary Jones and then some
of the best coaches that havecombined functional medicine and
sport together, like Alan Crestand myself.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah, I so appreciate you, vince.
Thank you so much for your work.
Actually, you and I share afriend in Cary, so I'm going to
tell her I discovered you andgot to hang out with you.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
And yeah, man, I appreciate you so much, Do me a
favor.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
Vince, hang on the line.
Yeah, oh, she's the best.
She's the best.
Hang on the line.
I'm going to shut everythingdown, but I just want to make
sure everything uploaded and forall of you.
Thank you for hanging out withme and Vince, and we will see
you at the next show.
Everybody, thank you.
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