September 12, 2025 • 48 mins
What if the one lever you’ve never pulled—the one you were taught to avoid—was the key your biology was waiting for?
In this conversation, I sit down with clinician Naomi Han to unpack a wild case: eight years of stable hepatitis B labs on antivirals… then, after deep subconscious work and finally learning to cry, her viral load began to free-fall—again and again on repeat testing. No new meds. No new diet. Same protocol. Different nervous system.
We don’t shout “cure.” We do ask better questions. How do grief, abandonment, and unprocessed emotion ride shotgun with the immune system? What happens when a lifetime of holding it in finally lets go? Two evidence-based clinicians walk the tightrope between data and the messy human interior—where identity shifts, tears flow, and sometimes numbers move.
If you’ve tried every protocol and still feel stuck, this one’s going to get under your skin… in the best way.
(identity shift, emotional release, subconscious work, hepatitis B, viral load, nervous system, belief rewiring, trauma processing)
Connect with Naomi:
IG: @NaomiHanHealth
Email: NaomiHanHealth@gmail.com
Chapters:
0:00 Meet Naomi: Clinician and Healer
8:00 The Hepatitis B Diagnosis
13:42 Unexpected Medical Breakthrough
19:41 Childhood Trauma and Emotional Suppression
27:37 Meditation and Forgiveness Work
35:58 Mind-Body Connection and True Healing
42:35 Integrating Eastern and Western Medicine
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Okay, welcome everybody to the Next Level
Human show.
And today I have somethingspecial because I'm actually
here with a colleague of mineand a peer, somebody who is in
the healing profession with me,someone who I've gotten a chance
to get really close to over thelast couple years and someone
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who I think story andperspective is really important
for us.
So my good friend, naomi Hahnis on the show.
Hey, naomi, how are you?
She's coming from.
It's early in.
Where you are, you're on theWest Coast, I'm on the East
Coast.
Yeah, california, how are you,my friend?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm good, thank you.
How are you Jade?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm doing, you know I'm doing okay, I I'm actually
we're going to talk about healthstuff.
I'm actually dealing with somehealth stuff.
I think I told you I'm dealingwith, um, some kidney issues,
which I'll talk a little bitmore on this show at some point.
Uh, cute kidney injury.
I had still still sort offocusing on what that is.
You and I have kind of talkedabout that behind the scenes.
So, yeah, so that's not greatwhenever we're going through
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health stuff.
But actually that's why I wantedto have you on, because you
know, you and I have been goingback and forth about the thing
that we're going to share herefor a little bit and I want to
set this up from my perspectiveand I want to see how you feel
about it too, because you and Icome from slightly different
backgrounds.
So Naomi's a nurse practitioner.
She does amazing work in thatfield as a clinician.
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I'm a naturopathic physicianand have done a work as a
clinician in that world, as afamily care provider, but I've
also worked as a counselor and acoach for most of my career and
, despite being a naturopathicdoc, I am an evidence-based guy.
I think it's very important forevidence to be presented.
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I'm very skeptical of claimsabout healings and things like
that, and when you and Idialogued about what we're going
to talk about some of yourhealth issues, I was very
reluctant to share the story,and it's been what it's kind of
probably been over a year sincewe first discussed this, or has
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it been, or has it?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
been?
Was it earlier this year?
Okay, so maybe more than a year.
Yeah, okay, yeah so more than ayear.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So I'm going to, I'm going to set this up and then I
want us to just go in differentdirections, because of course,
you and I, as clinicians, haveno idea what the cause of this
remission or clearing orwhatever we want to call it is,
but we each have our feelingsabout this and I just want us as
clinicians, and bothevidence-based people, to talk
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about this.
And so I will briefly set it upand then I'll let you sort of
jump in.
And so Naomi is someone who meand her connected as colleagues
because she was wanting to moveinto a little bit more of the
coaching world that I'm in.
So I'm clinician slash coach.
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Naomi has been mostly clinician.
She wanted to move more intothe coaching world and we
started to work together andlearning from each other and she
began to get into some of thisnext level human work.
She also had been dealing with achronic health condition that
I'm going to let her tell youall about, and through this work
she came to me after one of ourevents and said you know, I
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think this thing has cleared andI think it's as a result of
this work, and of course I waslike, well, let's not say that
out loud, that's like you know.
Let's be very careful to saythat because, you know, cure is
essentially a bad word in ourfield and of course, we don't
know that this is necessarilycured.
(03:45):
But it does speak to one of thethings, naomi, I have seen, you
and I have talked about.
I have seen, since I've starteddoing this work, things that I
would have regarded asimpossible prior to doing this
work, and this thing that youhave experienced, I would have
regarded as impossible, and sothat's why I think you and I
(04:08):
both wanted to have thisdiscussion.
So I'm going to let you kind ofstart wherever you want to
start, but tell us about yourexperience, what you were
dealing with and what hashappened with your health as a
result of the work that you'vebeen doing over the last year
and a half or two years.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Well, thank you.
I grew up in the militaryChinese family and in Chinese
the health issues we don't talkabout health.
No one ever say a word.
I just remember when I was akid, mom always said that you
can't be too tired because it'snot good for your liver.
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You cannot donate blood, butdidn't tell me why and that's
all I have to go on.
So during the one of a routineworkout, I learned that I was
born with a hepatitis B and Ineed to be on the anti-viral
medication for the rest of mylife, and that was very
devastating and I always feltbetrayed because no one ever
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delivered that message to me,not even my parents.
So, um, so the work, um, so,because I I was also in the
research program, I had been onthe medication for a while and
this research started, and sobasically what we have to do in
the beginning was actually totake me off the medication, so
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the whole thing that my bodywill take over to kill the virus
.
To kill the virus.
And just to know that thedifference between hepatitis B
and hepatitis C is that one isin the DNA, one is in the RNA.
So for someone like me who hashepatitis B, it's really rare
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that you can actually cure thosechronic conditions.
So I needed to do blood drawvery frequently, actually cure
those chronic conditions.
So I needed to do blood drawvery frequently.
So it just happened that I hadto do the blood draw after I
changed, and that was when Imade everybody head turns.
My phone started ringingbecause the research teams had
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no clue what was going on withme, because when they tried to
take me off the medication, mybody didn't do the job.
And now, all of a sudden, sixmonths in between, I, my viral
accounts, dropped six points.
That is unheard of.
So, and and then I I will sayit's all about the work that I
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did throughout that training,because during the training, I
discovered a lot of misguided,unconscious decisions that I
made a long time ago.
There was a lot of anger andsadness that I carried, that I
had no idea, and I think the bigthings that I discovered was
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the fear of abandonment, andthat showed up every aspect of
my life.
I think you and I talk aboutthis, you coach me on that as
well, so it makes sense to me.
In Chinese medicine, we saythat liver stores anger.
Based on the Chinese medicine,based on the change analysis.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So I was not surprised that amazing results
showed up after I got changed.
Okay, so let me unpack this,and so I want to repeat this,
just so people can sort ofunderstand and you can make sure
that I get this right, becausethis to me is absolutely
fascinating.
How old were you when you firstgot the diagnosis of hepatitis
B?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I think it was early 30.
I was told that I had and it'sinteresting, right?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Because you talked about the idea that you never
would have known that you hadthis, or you couldn't talk about
it in your Chinese family,chinese upbringing.
No one ever told you, so youbelieve you've had this since
the beginning.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, because it turns out that it was very
common in my culture.
And that's called a silentkiller, because most people
don't know until it was too late.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, okay, so a hepatitis B viral infection.
For those of you who do notknow, hepatitis B is a virus
that impacts liver function, andso what ends up happening is it
can destroy the liver, you canget jaundice.
Your liver enzymes are veryelevated.
You have AST and ALT, the twoliver enzymes.
You have to monitor those tomake sure the liver is not going
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to get in failure, and it's notsomething you get rid of.
Hepatitis C and B are chronicviral infections.
So now Naomi figures out shehas this at 30.
What's really interesting aboutthis is she goes into a study,
and so you've been in this study, and as part of this study, how
often do they do your viraltiters?
(09:08):
And, by the way, for those whodon't know that term, viral
titer just means they measurethe amount of virus essentially
in the body.
It's a way of doing that, andthey also tend to measure the
liver enzymes.
So they measure these twothings side by side to see how
people are doing.
And so how long were you inthis study?
And what else did they measurebesides viral number and liver
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enzymes?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
The base amount of CBC and.
I get the test done.
I think it was every four tosix months.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Okay, and so how many of these tests?
Every four to six months you'regetting blood drawn looking at
your viral titers, looking at aliver enzymes, and so obviously
you've had a lot of that testingdone.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, I think it.
When I met you, I think it waseight years.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, cool, so you've been.
What's neat about this is, bythe way, just for all of you
listening, what's reallyinteresting for Naomi and I it's
it's kind of rare to havesomeone in a study, right, so
it's like we can, we can havethese case studies where we go.
Oh, this person you know seemsto be clear of whatever this
chronic illness is, but,actually being in a study with
researchers watching her values,she's literally measuring these
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things every four to six months, and so I'm assuming,
throughout those eight years ofyou being in this study, nothing
had changed, or was it gettingworse?
Or what was going on with yourhealth status in terms of the
repeated values?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It's pretty much just stable the same numbers over
and over and over, not until Icame back from the training yeah
and then uh, just so we allunderstand, tell us a little bit
about the viral medication.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
When did you go on that and how long have you been
on that?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
you still on that, etc I think I've been on it also
eight years now.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So once the diagnosis happened, you went on the
antivirals.
Yes, and just for everyone tokind of understand that, from
our point of view that'ssomething that basically why
Naomi does this.
It basically keeps the virus atbay, the medication, so that it
doesn't do damage.
It doesn't kill off the virus,it doesn't cure the virus.
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There's no vaccine for thisvirus.
It's basically just amedication that tries to keep
the viral titers down, todecrease damage, and Naomi was
essentially stable.
Anything else you want to addfrom that?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
No, you covered it all, and it definitely is very
unheard of for someone who'll beon the medication for that long
that you actually see the viralload drop yeah, yeah, and
that's the thing that's reallywas really interesting for me,
naomi.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's like okay, so here you are, eight years,
you're on the viral medication.
It basically did what it did.
You're pretty much stable, butyou still have this disease, you
know.
So you're not getting worse,you're certainly not getting
better.
And then all of a sudden anddon't let me put words in your
mouth but then all of a suddenwe do this, and then we've been
talking about this training andI want her to describe her, uh,
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her sensation or her feelingsaround that training, or what
she she says.
I do remember what you said tome after the training, so we'll,
I'll talk a little bit from myperspective.
But then all of a sudden, yougo into the researchers, get the
blood draws that you always get, and you start getting phone
calls being like they're theviral titer is what the liver
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enzymes are, what.
What did they say to you?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
They said.
They asked me what did you doexactly?
What drugs did you take?
What other study that you're in?
I'm like nothing.
The only thing differently wasI started doing the subconscious
work.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I started to learn how to release my emotions.
I started to look at what isunder the hood.
What is it that I am carryingin my body with all this emotion
that was stuck in my body forall this?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, and I bet you they, I bet you they kind of.
They heard that Naomi and theywere just like okay, okay, naomi
just went woo woo on us.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Pretty much yes.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, yeah, they're like um, okay, never mind,
forget, we asked that question.
Now here's.
Here's what's reallyinteresting from my point of
view.
When you told me this, ofcourse I was like um, because
naomi, I'll tell you all whatnaomi said to me she goes jade,
you're never gonna believe this.
Uh, my hepatitis b isessentially gone.
And I was like, well, thatcan't happen.
And she goes.
Well, it did, and I'm convincedthat it's from this work.
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And what did we me and her,basically like looked at each
other, like I think it was onthe phone or something.
After the fact, I can'tremember we're like, well, we
can't tell anybody this you need.
We both were like you were too.
You were like, well, let's waituntil the next blood test is
done, then let's see.
And then I was like, well,let's wait till the next blood
test.
So how many blood tests haveyou had where this result has
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stayed?
How many, since they'veessentially told you this is
essentially gone, which I'll letyou explain what that means,
right, but how many have youdone since then?
maybe um four or five, I can'tremember okay so we got four or
five repeated measurements aftereight years of everything the
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same.
Now we've got four or fiverepeated measures where
essentially, um, well, I'm gonnalet you say what, what do the
results say?
I mean because when you'remeasuring hepatitis b right,
you're measuring these viralinfections I mean you're
essentially saying how muchvirus is there, right?
Um, and by the so there's anumber that they give you that
essentially says if there's lessthan this number, you're
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essentially cleared of the virus.
And then they're also lookingat your liver enzyme test.
And so what got better?
Did your numbers essentially goto a number that says you're
clear or just very low?
And what happened with yourliver enzymes?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
so the liver enzymes is always the same.
It's actually yeah, I do haveto say, liver enzyme probably
get better too.
And I do remember the firstblood draw that I got after the
training.
I believe it was a six pointsomething, iu millil and
actually sorry, take that back.
(15:30):
Yes, it was before and thenafter.
Before that and then after thetest, the training it was in, it
dropped six points.
And then I continue to drop.
Right now I am at a point.
I am 0.01.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
So 0.01 viral titers, basically, so interesting.
So you're at six prior to thework that we did and, by the way
, we'll talk about this workbecause I know you all are
saying what did you and Jay do,Naomi?
So was that six and thenessentially dropped six points
or down to one, and then, fromsince then, you've continued to
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go down.
So it's continued to get betterand better.
And now correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is a
level of .001 or whatever you'resaying.
It's essentially that there'sno virus there.
Are they telling you thatyou're essentially cleared of
this?
Is that essentially?
You know, I know we can't saycure, but what are they saying?
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That means?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
That means that there is a very high chance that I
can continue to clear that 0.01,whatever that number is.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, so a very small number.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yes, and it's definitely unheard of.
I think there was only 1% to 2%population able to do that.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, yeah, and so it's really interesting because
you are in a study.
The question for amigos, andI'm sure the question for
everyone else, goes is that okay?
Well, maybe this medicationstarted to work all of a sudden?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
The issue with that, though, is that okay?
Well, how come it didn't workfor the previous eight years,
exactly?
I haven't changed themedication since I've been on it
.
It's not a lot of medication.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, and I also think people are going to ask us
okay, well, you know, becausewe as humans me included, by the
way, I want to be like well,Naomi, surely then you changed
your diet, you ate differently,you did something different, you
took different supplements,Like you know, what did you do
differently?
So anything there that people,because that's what they're
going to ask and they want toknow.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
The only ask and they want to know.
The only thing I diddifferently was became a next
level human coach, and it'sideal.
I did a lot of crying,definitely for sure.
For the longest time, I did notknow how to cry and I did not
know how to actually release myemotions and if you ask me
anything, that's the only thingI can.
Honestly, I like it throughoutthis whole journey okay, well,
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you know that.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
See, this is why I love having these conversations
in a more formal way, becausethat is, um I haven't heard you
say that before in that way thatthe one thing that was
different, um, is that you beganto cry, which you know.
It's really interesting, naomi.
This is it must be interestingfor you in the American culture,
you know versus the Chineseculture, right?
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Because in America women tendto cry Like it's.
You know, lots of women cry inAmerica and not many men cry in
America.
But one of the things I thinkyou taught me about the Chinese
culture is that that's not or atleast in your household too
that talking about things andcrying and expressing emotions
is just not really a thing.
You want to say something aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well, because, true, exactly Because I grew up in a
military family, my mom and dadthey were arranged marriage.
Dad was never showed emotionsand mom was very young and she
had her own struggles.
Never seen my mom cry either,and also there are many things
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about her is very unpredictable.
So for me, no one ever reallyshowed me emotions, how to
express my emotions.
So therefore, I have neverlearned how to release, to show
emotion.
What does it mean when you,when you sad, you should cry?
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That was not really taughtgrowing up yeah, so your whole
life.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It's really interesting.
We talk about you know youmentioned this term that we use
in our work, right this idea ofmud, misguided, unconscious
decisions, this mud that sort of.
We make judgments and decisionsabout ourselves and the world
at times when we don't have theknowledge, experience, the
wisdom, the know-how.
So you, as a little girl,you're seeing a very buttoned up
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father, no emotions expressed,a mother who, from listening to
you, you may be intuitive thatshe's going through stuff of her
own stuff, but she doesn'texpress her emotions either.
So it's all kind of bottled up.
And you know what struck meabout you, naomi, that was
really interesting when you andI talked at the Awakening event,
which we'll talk to thesepeople about the kind of work
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that we both do now is that oneof the things that struck me is
that you had a pretty traumaticand I don't know that you want
to talk about it or not, I'mcertainly not going to talk
about it, but you could you hadwhat people would call a capital
T trauma in your life and oneof the really things that struck
me as you and I became friends,as you told me correct me if
I'm wrong on this, that you hadnever even told your husband
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about this trauma that you hadand that really in doing this
work, especially at theawakening, was one of the first
times you ever spoke about it,period.
And that was really interestingfor me because, you know, in
America not everyone's like this, but in the American culture,
which you straddle both worlds,obviously from where you come
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from In the American culture alot of our trauma is sort of
worn on our sleeve like a badgeof honor.
But your trauma was essentiallykind of stuffed in your pocket
and never shown to anyone, nevertalked about to anyone, you
never told your parents about it, you didn't even tell your
husband about it.
And you were carrying this and Iremember being I had two
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reactions when you told me aboutthis.
One reaction was what anincredibly strong human being to
be able to go through that andnever voice it.
And then the other thing thatcame to mind was how is that
possible, right?
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How is it that your mud was socemented that you didn't even
want to share it with peopleclosest to you in your life, or
even couldn't Because maybe noteven wanted to but didn't even
know that share it with peopleclosest to you in your life, or
even couldn't like, because, youknow, maybe not even wanted to,
but didn't even know that thatwas a possibility.
I just remember thinking thatand I also remember you telling
me, um, when you had sort ofthat breakthrough at the event
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that, uh, you felt you know, um,you know that you were going to
go and share this with yourhusband.
I don't know that you ever did.
That's how come?
I don't want to.
I did.
Okay, you did so tell me, tellus a little bit about that,
because here's what I'm hearingAll of a sudden, you have this
breakthrough, this thing thatyou've been carrying around,
this thing that you never toldanyone about, even the people
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closest to you.
You all of a sudden startsharing that story and all of a
sudden, it sounds like you startto release all this emotion.
You begin to learn to cry andrelease it, and this happens to
correspond with a what you and Iwould consider an unheard of
physical healing.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, when I was a teen well, going back to when I
was a little girl and I grew upalone pretty much so I remember
that I usually I always sat bythe window waiting for mom to
come home and there was reallyno one there, and early on I
learned there is no consistency,I'm just alone by myself.
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So later on in my teens, um, myboundaries, my boundaries were
violated and that reallyreinforced the idea that I have
I no one was there to protect meand I gotta move through the
navigate this world by myself,and so, whatever that's going on
in my life, you, you just putit in your pocket, like you say,
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and you move on.
And because there's always nextthings, and that's how I move
through life, and it happens, itacknowledges what happened and
you move on.
And to me it wasn't really apoint for me to really talk
about it.
And what is so very interesting, what you told me is I never
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really identified myself as avictim and I think that carried
me through this whole journey.
I just thought that's whatpeople do because you need to go
through life and you have tokeep moving do because you need
to go through life and you haveto keep moving, so that's why I
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didn't know that it was a choiceto actually you have to share
with anyone.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, let me, let me.
Uh.
I told this story that to me,this, right here, for everyone
listening, and this, to me, isthe most fascinating aspect of
Naomi and us as unique humans.
Right, because we think that ifsomething happens, everyone
responds with B.
But Naomi didn't respond thatway because in her mud, her
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misguided, unconscious decision,she made the choice early on in
life that I'm alone, no one'sgoing to be here for me.
I, whatever happens to me, Icarry it alone and deal with it
alone, and in some ways, thisprotected her.
In other ways, it sat in herbody and we'll talk about that
in a minute, but I'll give youan example of what I mean here.
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You know this story, naomi andum, but I'll tell it to everyone
here.
My mother actually has a storylike this where, when she was a
kid, her grandfather came intothe room and my mother was
undressing and he came up behindher and grabbed her and started
to fumble her breast and thenhe just stopped and then walked
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out of the room.
So anybody in my way of lookingat this, when I heard my mom
tell this story, I was appalled.
To me, I'm thinking sexualabuse, what the hell Right?
So this would be hergrandfather.
My mom says to me she had avery rough upbringing and had a
mother who was incredibly cruelto her.
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But she actually said when shetold me this story that, jay,
this was one of the best giftsmy mother ever gave me.
Because when I went and told mymother, my mother said, oh,
don't worry about him, he's justa dirty old man.
And because my mom's mom gaveher that story, my mom never
registered it as sexual abuse.
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Therefore, she never carried itthat way.
Now, in your case, I think youdefinitely registered this as
not something okay, but yourstory was a little different.
Of course, you're kind of likethis isn't something I'm okay
with, this isn't somethingthat's just not a thing.
But your story was more likewhen traumatic stuff like this
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happens to you.
But your story was more likewhen, when traumatic stuff like
this happens to you, you don'ttalk about it, you just move
forward.
And both your mom's and mymom's and your story are
interesting to me because theywere stories that, at least in
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your little girl bodies andbrains and minds, served and
protected you in a way, but inyour adult selves had
consequences.
How do you see that?
Would you see it that way?
And I'm just curious how now,looking back, and now that you
do talk about this and are openabout it.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
How do you see that?
I think the way I see it isthat I would say abandonment.
I think this whole thing comesout is that I type a story what
happened to me?
I was unprotected because I wasabandoned by my mother and it
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was all her fault and I hadcarried that story for years
that she was not there toprotect me, and that was a story
that in my head going on and onfor I don't know 30, 30 years
and not until recently, afterthe work we did together, I was
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able to slowly unpacking thosestories and I go now to the
point that she and I have a verymeaningful relationship and
that was not something that Ihad with her for years.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Oh man, I'm getting goosebumps from that.
Yeah, I'm getting goosebumpsfrom that.
It's a really sort ofinteresting turn of events.
So, if I'm hearing you right,it's like being left alone,
being left to fend for yourselfas a kid, feeling like your mom
kind of left you alone, feelinglike the fact that you were
alone led to this assault andthis way of being violated and
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your mom not being there, andmaybe that's also why you felt
you could never tell her becauseno one was going to show up for
you anyway.
And all of a sudden, you comeup with a story and understand
this story and you begin torelease it.
I'm curious, the release,because whenever I see this work
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and we're going to for those ofyou that, don't worry, naomi,
I'm going to get to telling youwhat our work is and what the
two of us do but one of thethings I see, naomi I don't know
if you see this now that you'redoing this work with people too
is that the insight change isalways interesting to me.
There's this one story of momabandoned me.
It's mom's fault, no oneprotected me, especially my
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mother.
And then there's this thing oflike when you see it from a
different point of view.
All of a sudden it becomes someother story.
Like my mom was also in, youknow, having issues, or my mom
also was traumatized, or it.
You just see it differently andI'm wondering what was the
shift?
Like what?
What story?
Did you go from mom's fault?
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Mom left me alone, mom, youknow, did this to me versus what
Like what's the story now?
Like, what was the shift?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I think the shift came in during the training.
During one of the meditations Iwent into this alone
meditations I started doing theforgiveness work.
I remember during my meditationI saw I know this is very
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woo-woo for a lot of people Isaw the truth.
She was always there.
I remember she told me thatyou're a girl, you need to
always come home at night time,no matter what time it is.
I need you to be home because Iwanted to make sure I can
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protect you.
And then I realized that theevent didn't happen at night, it
was during the day.
And that's how I realized thatthose stories weren't true.
And it's my brain made upbecause of this, the experience
I had with my mom.
And therefore, just kind oflike you always say you tie the
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knots and the next thing you do,you just keep going and then
you just the next thing.
You know there's a ball of yarnthat you just can't own money.
That's exactly what's going on.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah, it's interesting, right, the story
for you was well, during the dayI was not taken care of.
And then in this meditation,you saw that your mom in her
view, the night was the onlydangerous time.
So the night was when she feltlike she needed to protect you.
She felt you were alreadyprotected in the day.
And so, all of a sudden, thestory changes from my mom
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neglected me, my mom didn'tprotect me to my mom did her
best and actually tried her bestto protect me.
And that shift in the storyfreed something in you.
And I do remember in this eventthat you having this and this
sometimes happens there's thisone meditation where all of a
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sudden, you just your wholedemeanor changed and you started
sharing with the group thisthing for the first time, like,
oh my gosh, like I see this forthe first time.
It's like something in yourenergy shifted.
I'm going to briefly share withthem and then you can jump in
with your personal experience.
Briefly, we won't go into thisa lot for all of you because
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it's hard to understand, but oneof the things that Naomi and I
do is in our work as coaches wedon't do traditional coaching or
counseling and in our clinicalwork.
It's very logical.
Naomi has a beautiful,brilliant intellectual mind and
she can do that work.
She's an incredible clinicianintellectual right.
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But one of the things thatNaomi and I have both found
we've talked about this, bothbeing intellectuals that going
into this work and going intothis meditation is really
interesting because it's not anintellectual place, it's not
something that speaks in logicand linear language.
It shows up very much like adream.
That's why Naomi and I talkabout well, you're going to see
this as woo-woo, because whenyou drop into these different
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brainwave states and Naomi and Iuse certain breathing patterns
and certain prompts in our work,that will drop you into alpha
and theta brainwave states thatmake it seem like a dream and
bring up material from your past, sometimes memories, sometimes
emotions, sometimes otherinsights.
It feels like a dream.
Maybe I'm going to the stateand I'm seeing a donkey, but I
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know it's my father and thedonkey's wearing a football
helmet and I have this insightabout it.
It's just this weird thing whyis this donkey wearing a
football helmet?
And I have this insight aboutit.
Right, it's just this weirdthing.
Like, why is this donkeywearing a football helmet?
It's actually my dad, like.
We all know what dreams arelike, but you go into these
dreamlike states and then youunwind these knots and you end
up getting insights.
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So this is the work that Naomiand I do.
It's basically dropping youinto subconscious states and
going into the energy body andlooking to unwind these emotions
.
And so we had a retreattogether as part of the coach
training.
Naomi is one of the coaches inthe Next Level Human work.
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We did training together and aspart of that she came to one of
the events and it's funny,right, because Naomi's like you
know, jade.
What's really interesting aboutthat event is I almost didn't
come because and it happened tobe the breakthrough Now I know,
working up to that, all the workwe had done prior to that was
loosening things and then it'ssort of like boom, this big
thing that happened.
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But for those of you who arewondering what work we do,
that's what it's like.
If you've ever done psychedelicwork, it's kind of like that,
but not really.
If you've ever done hypnosis,it's kind of like that, but not
really.
If you've ever done breath work, it's kind of like that, but
not quite.
It's sort of this controlledlucid dreaming.
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So I would like to know from you, naomi, because we haven't
talked about this yet how muchdo you think the work leading up
to that?
Because obviously you know wewere doing lots of, you know,
educational work.
We were definitely doing someof the meditations, but there's
something about going to anevent where you just get to
focus just on yourself and Iremember you being a little bit
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like not necessarily wanting tocome because you know obviously
you're very busy as a clinician.
Uh, you know, one of the thingsI also remember is you don't
necessarily like being apartfrom your husband, right, there
was just all these sort ofthings that uh happened.
But I'm curious, um, if youhave any other things that led
cause I know people are going tobe like, okay, naomi, jade, how
do I do this work?
(35:30):
Like is that all it is?
You go to a retreat, you dosome stuff, and I'm wondering
what kind of uh advice could yougive people in terms of the
actual process for naomi, whichwould be different for them?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
but I'm curious um, I think, first of all, I think
that my subconscious mind wasready, and something about that
is because I went through thescenario multiple times and
there are many things thathappened that week up to the
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training that stopped me, butsomething in me says that I need
to go.
I need to be there with Jake.
And then I think, when I gotthere, one thing is that I was
ready, and then I realized thatif you really want to go through
this transformation, you haveto be really open-minded.
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And then I think the one thingthat with me was I was very
open-minded Because my goal isto actually to do the work.
Because my goal is to actuallyto do the work and I am at a
place that I was ready to to dothe rewrite, rewire, retrain
that we.
We did the process through thetraining, and I think that's
what makes the difference.
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So, um, you have to be.
It takes a courage, I meanreally.
So it takes a lot of courage toactually really looking at
under the hood.
I mean because whatever you'regoing to see, that's not easy
sometimes.
It definitely, I think, for meis more of a being ready and
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open-minded to see what you haveto offer to bring you to the
table so that I can incorporateit into my life.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right.
You're right when you thinkabout you have to be ready for
this work.
I oftentimes tell people do notenter into this work lightly,
because the stuff that you willconfront is not easy.
So we can listen to Naomi'sstory.
She's been carrying this thing.
But understand, many of youcarry stories that you would
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never want to share and youmight, objectively we would
never want to share, you know,and you might objectively.
We can look and be like, well,why wouldn't you want to share
that?
You know, jade or Naomi and theand what, what we all
understand.
If you go into your deepestshames as humans, you understand
that you feel to the core ofyour being that sharing these
things is going to have you berejected or not be safe or to be
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used against you or whatever.
It takes tremendous couragebecause keep in mind that these
stories we tell about ourselves.
Someone else might see them asridiculous or trite or you know
no big deal, but for us they'relife and death and we feel that
in our bodies, which is why wehold on to them.
That's why you can't get tothem.
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I can't coax it out of Naomi,naomi can't coax it out of me.
She can't say to me Jade, let'stalk about it, come on, get
over it.
That can't happen.
This has to happen in a waythat I feel it in my body.
It is something that takes anawful lot of courage, and the
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reason I wanted to have thisdiscussion with you in public,
naomi, you and I have beentalking about this back and
forth now for two years.
You know, I guess it's been twoyears since since this
transition, but you know, partof the thing is letting people
understand from two veryevidence-based practitioners who
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do clinical work.
It's shocking to me, and Ithink it was shocking to you, to
be able to say, oh my gosh,this emotional work, even though
we do it, to see the result inthis tangible of a physical
ailment, immune viral infection,to see it cleared through
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emotional work.
Still, even though you and Iknow we've been doing this work
and believe in it, it's stillunbelievable, in a sense because
we've been so steeped inmaterialism the idea that the
only way you clear this isthrough a vaccine or a new drug,
or you're going to be with thisyour whole life, or a
supplement or a diet.
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The idea here is that nothingchanged other than you accessing
this and learning how torelease it.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
I can actually tell you firsthand.
I see a lot of females at workand I see it every day.
People actually do the rightthing, follow the protocols and
go on different specialists andthey are just not getting better
and they're just so busy goingaround.
What is the next pills I cantake, and what's the next diet,
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so on and so forth, whateverthey do.
And so not until I actuallyliterally address their emotions
.
What is the subconscious mind isdoing?
That's when the realtransformation happens.
That's when a realtransformation happens.
And then I often say and then Ithink every one of us know what
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is the real story, what isunder the hood.
It's just like I said, whateveryou want to look at, now, every
time I start talking about theunder the hood stuff, my patient
literally just sitting therecrying.
So we know, and then I thinkyou agree with me 100, because
our body knows what needs to bereleased.
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And then I think that if youare willing to literally do the
work and under the hood andlooking at what is your
subconscious trying to tell you,and then I think that's when a
true transformation can happenyeah, yeah, and you know what I
would add to that.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Let's see what you think about this and then we can
begin to wrap up.
But you know, one of the thingsthat I tend to just for those
of you who are listening to this, I do think you know, like we
can, the new age world of Wu canget this wrong in a sense, like
they can.
Sometimes, you just sometimesyou break a bone, sometimes you,
you know, poison yourself.
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There are physical insults thatdo physical damage and to me,
we know that Right, and you knowthere's not some energetic,
emotional, subconscious thing ofa twisted ankle Right.
Like you know, sometimes youjust you stepped in a pothole
and you twisted your ankle Rightand that's that and that's that
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.
However, that is not the wholestory.
With illness and what Naomi andI are talking about, you're
talking about two people whodevoted their life to learning
the materialist way of doingthings and drugs and surgery and
clinical work and, by the way,I believe in all of that.
I believe in all of that.
It's good work, it's necessary.
I think it saves lives.
It's necessary, I think itsaves lives.
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It's just that this also ispowerful, and perhaps so much
more powerful than we couldpossibly imagine important for
us to understand, from somebodywho is an incredible
intellectual, does incredibleclinical work, who had a chronic
viral immune infection that thewhole world says could not be
cured.
Sees a direct correlation fromreleasing and dealing with her
mental, emotional, energeticbody and this clearing.
And I was skeptical, naomi, toever tell this story and I know
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you kind of are too but I alsothink it's time that people more
and more hear these stories.
So I just want to say, not onlywere you courageous and you
know, I do see you as one of mymost courageous friends, by the
way, like you really are justcourage defines you, and, once
again, I think telling thisstory is incredibly courageous,
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and so I just want to say thankyou for that and also just give
you a chance to say any otherthings that you would like
people listening to this storyto know about you or what they
should be doing.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
And for me, I think for all your audience one thing
I just want to say that healingis a possible when you are given
the right tools.
And really through all of myclinical experience now, I truly
believe the realtransformations happens when you
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connect the dots, when youconnect your mind and your body
and soul together.
That's when you see the miracle.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, 100 percent, you know.
One final question before wewrap up that I'm curious.
You mentioned traditionalChinese medicine.
You know, and I know you're,you know, a typical Western
clinician, but you did grow upin China, right.
And so I'm curious, like, towhat degree has that traditional
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background, how much did itpermeate into you and are you
more interested in it now,because they do have more of an
energetic understanding thanWestern medicine.
I'm wondering, just as a finalkind of question, how do you see
that now, having come up inthat culture, understanding, I'm
sure, a little bit of thatmedicine, because you grew up
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with it and now sort of beenspending your whole life as a
Western clinician, and now kindof coming back to you you did
mention it, you and I haven'ttalked about it but I'm just
curious how you see that.
Is it something that you arerevisiting now?
Is it something that you alwayssort of had in the back of your
mind, or is it just somethingthat you've become re-interested
in now that you've delved intothis work?
Speaker 2 (45:13):
I'm just curious I think that's always back into my
mind and I think it's that Ialways look at um, a body was a
whole system.
It's not what we do.
We take one part, buteverything is all connected.
And then I think that's whatbrought me to from conventional
medicine to functional medicine.
Here goes the subconscious word, and so I think that is because
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my influence and the Chineseculture influence.
That's how I am able tointegrate all of them together,
because there's always a missingpiece.
And then I think that I comearound the full circle now.
So I know that.
That's why I know that this isgreat work.
And then I know you're doing ittoo, and you see amazing
results as well.
Yeah, I love that.
That's why I know that this isgreat work.
And then I know you're doing ittoo, and you see amazing
results as well.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, I love that.
You and I hadn't talked aboutthat before, but it's
interesting that that stuff inthe back of your mind, that
early influence, kept you opento holism, helped.
You see it permeated.
You were like there's somethingmore, the body's more holistic,
and that has guided you to thiswork.
Naomi, thank you so much.
I love you, my friend.
I think this story isincredible.
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I know it's going to help a tonof people and just stay on the
line for me so we can say bye toeach other, but thank you for
being here, my friend.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Thank you for having me.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
See you everybody.
I hope you enjoyed the show.
We'll talk soon.
Okay, welcome everybody to the Next Level
Human show.
And today I have somethingspecial because I'm actually
here with a colleague of mineand a peer, somebody who is in
the healing profession with me,someone who I've gotten a chance
to get really close to over thelast couple years and someone
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who I think story andperspective is really important
for us.
So my good friend, naomi Hahnis on the show.
Hey, naomi, how are you?
She's coming from.
It's early in.
Where you are, you're on theWest Coast, I'm on the East
Coast.
Yeah, california, how are you,my friend?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm good, thank you.
How are you Jade?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm doing, you know I'm doing okay, I I'm actually
we're going to talk about healthstuff.
I'm actually dealing with somehealth stuff.
I think I told you I'm dealingwith, um, some kidney issues,
which I'll talk a little bitmore on this show at some point.
Uh, cute kidney injury.
I had still still sort offocusing on what that is.
You and I have kind of talkedabout that behind the scenes.
So, yeah, so that's not greatwhenever we're going through
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health stuff.
But actually that's why I wantedto have you on, because you
know, you and I have been goingback and forth about the thing
that we're going to share herefor a little bit and I want to
set this up from my perspectiveand I want to see how you feel
about it too, because you and Icome from slightly different
backgrounds.
So Naomi's a nurse practitioner.
She does amazing work in thatfield as a clinician.
(01:29):
I'm a naturopathic physicianand have done a work as a
clinician in that world, as afamily care provider, but I've
also worked as a counselor and acoach for most of my career and
, despite being a naturopathicdoc, I am an evidence-based guy.
I think it's very important forevidence to be presented.
(01:50):
I'm very skeptical of claimsabout healings and things like
that, and when you and Idialogued about what we're going
to talk about some of yourhealth issues, I was very
reluctant to share the story,and it's been what it's kind of
probably been over a year sincewe first discussed this, or has
(02:10):
it been, or has it?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
been?
Was it earlier this year?
Okay, so maybe more than a year.
Yeah, okay, yeah so more than ayear.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So I'm going to, I'm going to set this up and then I
want us to just go in differentdirections, because of course,
you and I, as clinicians, haveno idea what the cause of this
remission or clearing orwhatever we want to call it is,
but we each have our feelingsabout this and I just want us as
clinicians, and bothevidence-based people, to talk
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about this.
And so I will briefly set it upand then I'll let you sort of
jump in.
And so Naomi is someone who meand her connected as colleagues
because she was wanting to moveinto a little bit more of the
coaching world that I'm in.
So I'm clinician slash coach.
(03:02):
Naomi has been mostly clinician.
She wanted to move more intothe coaching world and we
started to work together andlearning from each other and she
began to get into some of thisnext level human work.
She also had been dealing with achronic health condition that
I'm going to let her tell youall about, and through this work
she came to me after one of ourevents and said you know, I
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think this thing has cleared andI think it's as a result of
this work, and of course I waslike, well, let's not say that
out loud, that's like you know.
Let's be very careful to saythat because, you know, cure is
essentially a bad word in ourfield and of course, we don't
know that this is necessarilycured.
(03:45):
But it does speak to one of thethings, naomi, I have seen, you
and I have talked about.
I have seen, since I've starteddoing this work, things that I
would have regarded asimpossible prior to doing this
work, and this thing that youhave experienced, I would have
regarded as impossible, and sothat's why I think you and I
(04:08):
both wanted to have thisdiscussion.
So I'm going to let you kind ofstart wherever you want to
start, but tell us about yourexperience, what you were
dealing with and what hashappened with your health as a
result of the work that you'vebeen doing over the last year
and a half or two years.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Well, thank you.
I grew up in the militaryChinese family and in Chinese
the health issues we don't talkabout health.
No one ever say a word.
I just remember when I was akid, mom always said that you
can't be too tired because it'snot good for your liver.
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You cannot donate blood, butdidn't tell me why and that's
all I have to go on.
So during the one of a routineworkout, I learned that I was
born with a hepatitis B and Ineed to be on the anti-viral
medication for the rest of mylife, and that was very
devastating and I always feltbetrayed because no one ever
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delivered that message to me,not even my parents.
So, um, so the work, um, so,because I I was also in the
research program, I had been onthe medication for a while and
this research started, and sobasically what we have to do in
the beginning was actually totake me off the medication, so
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the whole thing that my bodywill take over to kill the virus
.
To kill the virus.
And just to know that thedifference between hepatitis B
and hepatitis C is that one isin the DNA, one is in the RNA.
So for someone like me who hashepatitis B, it's really rare
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that you can actually cure thosechronic conditions.
So I needed to do blood drawvery frequently, actually cure
those chronic conditions.
So I needed to do blood drawvery frequently.
So it just happened that I hadto do the blood draw after I
changed, and that was when Imade everybody head turns.
My phone started ringingbecause the research teams had
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no clue what was going on withme, because when they tried to
take me off the medication, mybody didn't do the job.
And now, all of a sudden, sixmonths in between, I, my viral
accounts, dropped six points.
That is unheard of.
So, and and then I I will sayit's all about the work that I
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did throughout that training,because during the training, I
discovered a lot of misguided,unconscious decisions that I
made a long time ago.
There was a lot of anger andsadness that I carried, that I
had no idea, and I think the bigthings that I discovered was
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the fear of abandonment, andthat showed up every aspect of
my life.
I think you and I talk aboutthis, you coach me on that as
well, so it makes sense to me.
In Chinese medicine, we saythat liver stores anger.
Based on the Chinese medicine,based on the change analysis.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So I was not surprised that amazing results
showed up after I got changed.
Okay, so let me unpack this,and so I want to repeat this,
just so people can sort ofunderstand and you can make sure
that I get this right, becausethis to me is absolutely
fascinating.
How old were you when you firstgot the diagnosis of hepatitis
B?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I think it was early 30.
I was told that I had and it'sinteresting, right?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Because you talked about the idea that you never
would have known that you hadthis, or you couldn't talk about
it in your Chinese family,chinese upbringing.
No one ever told you, so youbelieve you've had this since
the beginning.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, because it turns out that it was very
common in my culture.
And that's called a silentkiller, because most people
don't know until it was too late.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, okay, so a hepatitis B viral infection.
For those of you who do notknow, hepatitis B is a virus
that impacts liver function, andso what ends up happening is it
can destroy the liver, you canget jaundice.
Your liver enzymes are veryelevated.
You have AST and ALT, the twoliver enzymes.
You have to monitor those tomake sure the liver is not going
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to get in failure, and it's notsomething you get rid of.
Hepatitis C and B are chronicviral infections.
So now Naomi figures out shehas this at 30.
What's really interesting aboutthis is she goes into a study,
and so you've been in this study, and as part of this study, how
often do they do your viraltiters?
(09:08):
And, by the way, for those whodon't know that term, viral
titer just means they measurethe amount of virus essentially
in the body.
It's a way of doing that, andthey also tend to measure the
liver enzymes.
So they measure these twothings side by side to see how
people are doing.
And so how long were you inthis study?
And what else did they measurebesides viral number and liver
(09:30):
enzymes?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
The base amount of CBC and.
I get the test done.
I think it was every four tosix months.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Okay, and so how many of these tests?
Every four to six months you'regetting blood drawn looking at
your viral titers, looking at aliver enzymes, and so obviously
you've had a lot of that testingdone.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, I think it.
When I met you, I think it waseight years.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, cool, so you've been.
What's neat about this is, bythe way, just for all of you
listening, what's reallyinteresting for Naomi and I it's
it's kind of rare to havesomeone in a study, right, so
it's like we can, we can havethese case studies where we go.
Oh, this person you know seemsto be clear of whatever this
chronic illness is, but,actually being in a study with
researchers watching her values,she's literally measuring these
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things every four to six months, and so I'm assuming,
throughout those eight years ofyou being in this study, nothing
had changed, or was it gettingworse?
Or what was going on with yourhealth status in terms of the
repeated values?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It's pretty much just stable the same numbers over
and over and over, not until Icame back from the training yeah
and then uh, just so we allunderstand, tell us a little bit
about the viral medication.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
When did you go on that and how long have you been
on that?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
you still on that, etc I think I've been on it also
eight years now.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So once the diagnosis happened, you went on the
antivirals.
Yes, and just for everyone tokind of understand that, from
our point of view that'ssomething that basically why
Naomi does this.
It basically keeps the virus atbay, the medication, so that it
doesn't do damage.
It doesn't kill off the virus,it doesn't cure the virus.
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There's no vaccine for thisvirus.
It's basically just amedication that tries to keep
the viral titers down, todecrease damage, and Naomi was
essentially stable.
Anything else you want to addfrom that?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
No, you covered it all, and it definitely is very
unheard of for someone who'll beon the medication for that long
that you actually see the viralload drop yeah, yeah, and
that's the thing that's reallywas really interesting for me,
naomi.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's like okay, so here you are, eight years,
you're on the viral medication.
It basically did what it did.
You're pretty much stable, butyou still have this disease, you
know.
So you're not getting worse,you're certainly not getting
better.
And then all of a sudden anddon't let me put words in your
mouth but then all of a suddenwe do this, and then we've been
talking about this training andI want her to describe her, uh,
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her sensation or her feelingsaround that training, or what
she she says.
I do remember what you said tome after the training, so we'll,
I'll talk a little bit from myperspective.
But then all of a sudden, yougo into the researchers, get the
blood draws that you always get, and you start getting phone
calls being like they're theviral titer is what the liver
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enzymes are, what.
What did they say to you?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
They said.
They asked me what did you doexactly?
What drugs did you take?
What other study that you're in?
I'm like nothing.
The only thing differently wasI started doing the subconscious
work.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I started to learn how to release my emotions.
I started to look at what isunder the hood.
What is it that I am carryingin my body with all this emotion
that was stuck in my body forall this?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, and I bet you they, I bet you they kind of.
They heard that Naomi and theywere just like okay, okay, naomi
just went woo woo on us.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Pretty much yes.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, yeah, they're like um, okay, never mind,
forget, we asked that question.
Now here's.
Here's what's reallyinteresting from my point of
view.
When you told me this, ofcourse I was like um, because
naomi, I'll tell you all whatnaomi said to me she goes jade,
you're never gonna believe this.
Uh, my hepatitis b isessentially gone.
And I was like, well, thatcan't happen.
And she goes.
Well, it did, and I'm convincedthat it's from this work.
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And what did we me and her,basically like looked at each
other, like I think it was onthe phone or something.
After the fact, I can'tremember we're like, well, we
can't tell anybody this you need.
We both were like you were too.
You were like, well, let's waituntil the next blood test is
done, then let's see.
And then I was like, well,let's wait till the next blood
test.
So how many blood tests haveyou had where this result has
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stayed?
How many, since they'veessentially told you this is
essentially gone, which I'll letyou explain what that means,
right, but how many have youdone since then?
maybe um four or five, I can'tremember okay so we got four or
five repeated measurements aftereight years of everything the
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same.
Now we've got four or fiverepeated measures where
essentially, um, well, I'm gonnalet you say what, what do the
results say?
I mean because when you'remeasuring hepatitis b right,
you're measuring these viralinfections I mean you're
essentially saying how muchvirus is there, right?
Um, and by the so there's anumber that they give you that
essentially says if there's lessthan this number, you're
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essentially cleared of the virus.
And then they're also lookingat your liver enzyme test.
And so what got better?
Did your numbers essentially goto a number that says you're
clear or just very low?
And what happened with yourliver enzymes?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
so the liver enzymes is always the same.
It's actually yeah, I do haveto say, liver enzyme probably
get better too.
And I do remember the firstblood draw that I got after the
training.
I believe it was a six pointsomething, iu millil and
actually sorry, take that back.
(15:30):
Yes, it was before and thenafter.
Before that and then after thetest, the training it was in, it
dropped six points.
And then I continue to drop.
Right now I am at a point.
I am 0.01.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
So 0.01 viral titers, basically, so interesting.
So you're at six prior to thework that we did and, by the way
, we'll talk about this workbecause I know you all are
saying what did you and Jay do,Naomi?
So was that six and thenessentially dropped six points
or down to one, and then, fromsince then, you've continued to
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go down.
So it's continued to get betterand better.
And now correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is a
level of .001 or whatever you'resaying.
It's essentially that there'sno virus there.
Are they telling you thatyou're essentially cleared of
this?
Is that essentially?
You know, I know we can't saycure, but what are they saying?
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That means?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
That means that there is a very high chance that I
can continue to clear that 0.01,whatever that number is.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, so a very small number.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yes, and it's definitely unheard of.
I think there was only 1% to 2%population able to do that.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, yeah, and so it's really interesting because
you are in a study.
The question for amigos, andI'm sure the question for
everyone else, goes is that okay?
Well, maybe this medicationstarted to work all of a sudden?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
The issue with that, though, is that okay?
Well, how come it didn't workfor the previous eight years,
exactly?
I haven't changed themedication since I've been on it
.
It's not a lot of medication.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, and I also think people are going to ask us
okay, well, you know, becausewe as humans me included, by the
way, I want to be like well,Naomi, surely then you changed
your diet, you ate differently,you did something different, you
took different supplements,Like you know, what did you do
differently?
So anything there that people,because that's what they're
going to ask and they want toknow.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
The only ask and they want to know.
The only thing I diddifferently was became a next
level human coach, and it'sideal.
I did a lot of crying,definitely for sure.
For the longest time, I did notknow how to cry and I did not
know how to actually release myemotions and if you ask me
anything, that's the only thingI can.
Honestly, I like it throughoutthis whole journey okay, well,
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you know that.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
See, this is why I love having these conversations
in a more formal way, becausethat is, um I haven't heard you
say that before in that way thatthe one thing that was
different, um, is that you beganto cry, which you know.
It's really interesting, naomi.
This is it must be interestingfor you in the American culture,
you know versus the Chineseculture, right?
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Because in America women tendto cry Like it's.
You know, lots of women cry inAmerica and not many men cry in
America.
But one of the things I thinkyou taught me about the Chinese
culture is that that's not or atleast in your household too
that talking about things andcrying and expressing emotions
is just not really a thing.
You want to say something aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well, because, true, exactly Because I grew up in a
military family, my mom and dadthey were arranged marriage.
Dad was never showed emotionsand mom was very young and she
had her own struggles.
Never seen my mom cry either,and also there are many things
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about her is very unpredictable.
So for me, no one ever reallyshowed me emotions, how to
express my emotions.
So therefore, I have neverlearned how to release, to show
emotion.
What does it mean when you,when you sad, you should cry?
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That was not really taughtgrowing up yeah, so your whole
life.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It's really interesting.
We talk about you know youmentioned this term that we use
in our work, right this idea ofmud, misguided, unconscious
decisions, this mud that sort of.
We make judgments and decisionsabout ourselves and the world
at times when we don't have theknowledge, experience, the
wisdom, the know-how.
So you, as a little girl,you're seeing a very buttoned up
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father, no emotions expressed,a mother who, from listening to
you, you may be intuitive thatshe's going through stuff of her
own stuff, but she doesn'texpress her emotions either.
So it's all kind of bottled up.
And you know what struck meabout you, naomi, that was
really interesting when you andI talked at the Awakening event,
which we'll talk to thesepeople about the kind of work
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that we both do now is that oneof the things that struck me is
that you had a pretty traumaticand I don't know that you want
to talk about it or not, I'mcertainly not going to talk
about it, but you could you hadwhat people would call a capital
T trauma in your life and oneof the really things that struck
me as you and I became friends,as you told me correct me if
I'm wrong on this, that you hadnever even told your husband
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about this trauma that you hadand that really in doing this
work, especially at theawakening, was one of the first
times you ever spoke about it,period.
And that was really interestingfor me because, you know, in
America not everyone's like this, but in the American culture,
which you straddle both worlds,obviously from where you come
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from In the American culture alot of our trauma is sort of
worn on our sleeve like a badgeof honor.
But your trauma was essentiallykind of stuffed in your pocket
and never shown to anyone, nevertalked about to anyone, you
never told your parents about it, you didn't even tell your
husband about it.
And you were carrying this and Iremember being I had two
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reactions when you told me aboutthis.
One reaction was what anincredibly strong human being to
be able to go through that andnever voice it.
And then the other thing thatcame to mind was how is that
possible, right?
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How is it that your mud was socemented that you didn't even
want to share it with peopleclosest to you in your life, or
even couldn't Because maybe noteven wanted to but didn't even
know that share it with peopleclosest to you in your life, or
even couldn't like, because, youknow, maybe not even wanted to,
but didn't even know that thatwas a possibility.
I just remember thinking thatand I also remember you telling
me, um, when you had sort ofthat breakthrough at the event
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that, uh, you felt you know, um,you know that you were going to
go and share this with yourhusband.
I don't know that you ever did.
That's how come?
I don't want to.
I did.
Okay, you did so tell me, tellus a little bit about that,
because here's what I'm hearingAll of a sudden, you have this
breakthrough, this thing thatyou've been carrying around,
this thing that you never toldanyone about, even the people
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closest to you.
You all of a sudden startsharing that story and all of a
sudden, it sounds like you startto release all this emotion.
You begin to learn to cry andrelease it, and this happens to
correspond with a what you and Iwould consider an unheard of
physical healing.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, when I was a teen well, going back to when I
was a little girl and I grew upalone pretty much so I remember
that I usually I always sat bythe window waiting for mom to
come home and there was reallyno one there, and early on I
learned there is no consistency,I'm just alone by myself.
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So later on in my teens, um, myboundaries, my boundaries were
violated and that reallyreinforced the idea that I have
I no one was there to protect meand I gotta move through the
navigate this world by myself,and so, whatever that's going on
in my life, you, you just putit in your pocket, like you say,
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and you move on.
And because there's always nextthings, and that's how I move
through life, and it happens, itacknowledges what happened and
you move on.
And to me it wasn't really apoint for me to really talk
about it.
And what is so very interesting, what you told me is I never
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really identified myself as avictim and I think that carried
me through this whole journey.
I just thought that's whatpeople do because you need to go
through life and you have tokeep moving do because you need
to go through life and you haveto keep moving, so that's why I
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didn't know that it was a choiceto actually you have to share
with anyone.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, let me, let me.
Uh.
I told this story that to me,this, right here, for everyone
listening, and this, to me, isthe most fascinating aspect of
Naomi and us as unique humans.
Right, because we think that ifsomething happens, everyone
responds with B.
But Naomi didn't respond thatway because in her mud, her
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misguided, unconscious decision,she made the choice early on in
life that I'm alone, no one'sgoing to be here for me.
I, whatever happens to me, Icarry it alone and deal with it
alone, and in some ways, thisprotected her.
In other ways, it sat in herbody and we'll talk about that
in a minute, but I'll give youan example of what I mean here.
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You know this story, naomi andum, but I'll tell it to everyone
here.
My mother actually has a storylike this where, when she was a
kid, her grandfather came intothe room and my mother was
undressing and he came up behindher and grabbed her and started
to fumble her breast and thenhe just stopped and then walked
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out of the room.
So anybody in my way of lookingat this, when I heard my mom
tell this story, I was appalled.
To me, I'm thinking sexualabuse, what the hell Right?
So this would be hergrandfather.
My mom says to me she had avery rough upbringing and had a
mother who was incredibly cruelto her.
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But she actually said when shetold me this story that, jay,
this was one of the best giftsmy mother ever gave me.
Because when I went and told mymother, my mother said, oh,
don't worry about him, he's justa dirty old man.
And because my mom's mom gaveher that story, my mom never
registered it as sexual abuse.
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Therefore, she never carried itthat way.
Now, in your case, I think youdefinitely registered this as
not something okay, but yourstory was a little different.
Of course, you're kind of likethis isn't something I'm okay
with, this isn't somethingthat's just not a thing.
But your story was more likewhen traumatic stuff like this
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happens to you.
But your story was more likewhen, when traumatic stuff like
this happens to you, you don'ttalk about it, you just move
forward.
And both your mom's and mymom's and your story are
interesting to me because theywere stories that, at least in
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your little girl bodies andbrains and minds, served and
protected you in a way, but inyour adult selves had
consequences.
How do you see that?
Would you see it that way?
And I'm just curious how now,looking back, and now that you
do talk about this and are openabout it.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
How do you see that?
I think the way I see it isthat I would say abandonment.
I think this whole thing comesout is that I type a story what
happened to me?
I was unprotected because I wasabandoned by my mother and it
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was all her fault and I hadcarried that story for years
that she was not there toprotect me, and that was a story
that in my head going on and onfor I don't know 30, 30 years
and not until recently, afterthe work we did together, I was
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able to slowly unpacking thosestories and I go now to the
point that she and I have a verymeaningful relationship and
that was not something that Ihad with her for years.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Oh man, I'm getting goosebumps from that.
Yeah, I'm getting goosebumpsfrom that.
It's a really sort ofinteresting turn of events.
So, if I'm hearing you right,it's like being left alone,
being left to fend for yourselfas a kid, feeling like your mom
kind of left you alone, feelinglike the fact that you were
alone led to this assault andthis way of being violated and
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your mom not being there, andmaybe that's also why you felt
you could never tell her becauseno one was going to show up for
you anyway.
And all of a sudden, you comeup with a story and understand
this story and you begin torelease it.
I'm curious, the release,because whenever I see this work
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and we're going to for those ofyou that, don't worry, naomi,
I'm going to get to telling youwhat our work is and what the
two of us do but one of thethings I see, naomi I don't know
if you see this now that you'redoing this work with people too
is that the insight change isalways interesting to me.
There's this one story of momabandoned me.
It's mom's fault, no oneprotected me, especially my
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mother.
And then there's this thing oflike when you see it from a
different point of view.
All of a sudden it becomes someother story.
Like my mom was also in, youknow, having issues, or my mom
also was traumatized, or it.
You just see it differently andI'm wondering what was the
shift?
Like what?
What story?
Did you go from mom's fault?
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Mom left me alone, mom, youknow, did this to me versus what
Like what's the story now?
Like, what was the shift?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I think the shift came in during the training.
During one of the meditations Iwent into this alone
meditations I started doing theforgiveness work.
I remember during my meditationI saw I know this is very
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woo-woo for a lot of people Isaw the truth.
She was always there.
I remember she told me thatyou're a girl, you need to
always come home at night time,no matter what time it is.
I need you to be home because Iwanted to make sure I can
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protect you.
And then I realized that theevent didn't happen at night, it
was during the day.
And that's how I realized thatthose stories weren't true.
And it's my brain made upbecause of this, the experience
I had with my mom.
And therefore, just kind oflike you always say you tie the
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knots and the next thing you do,you just keep going and then
you just the next thing.
You know there's a ball of yarnthat you just can't own money.
That's exactly what's going on.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah, it's interesting, right, the story
for you was well, during the dayI was not taken care of.
And then in this meditation,you saw that your mom in her
view, the night was the onlydangerous time.
So the night was when she feltlike she needed to protect you.
She felt you were alreadyprotected in the day.
And so, all of a sudden, thestory changes from my mom
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neglected me, my mom didn'tprotect me to my mom did her
best and actually tried her bestto protect me.
And that shift in the storyfreed something in you.
And I do remember in this eventthat you having this and this
sometimes happens there's thisone meditation where all of a
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sudden, you just your wholedemeanor changed and you started
sharing with the group thisthing for the first time, like,
oh my gosh, like I see this forthe first time.
It's like something in yourenergy shifted.
I'm going to briefly share withthem and then you can jump in
with your personal experience.
Briefly, we won't go into thisa lot for all of you because
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it's hard to understand, but oneof the things that Naomi and I
do is in our work as coaches wedon't do traditional coaching or
counseling and in our clinicalwork.
It's very logical.
Naomi has a beautiful,brilliant intellectual mind and
she can do that work.
She's an incredible clinicianintellectual right.
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But one of the things thatNaomi and I have both found
we've talked about this, bothbeing intellectuals that going
into this work and going intothis meditation is really
interesting because it's not anintellectual place, it's not
something that speaks in logicand linear language.
It shows up very much like adream.
That's why Naomi and I talkabout well, you're going to see
this as woo-woo, because whenyou drop into these different
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brainwave states and Naomi and Iuse certain breathing patterns
and certain prompts in our work,that will drop you into alpha
and theta brainwave states thatmake it seem like a dream and
bring up material from your past, sometimes memories, sometimes
emotions, sometimes otherinsights.
It feels like a dream.
Maybe I'm going to the stateand I'm seeing a donkey, but I
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know it's my father and thedonkey's wearing a football
helmet and I have this insightabout it.
It's just this weird thing whyis this donkey wearing a
football helmet?
And I have this insight aboutit.
Right, it's just this weirdthing.
Like, why is this donkeywearing a football helmet?
It's actually my dad, like.
We all know what dreams arelike, but you go into these
dreamlike states and then youunwind these knots and you end
up getting insights.
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So this is the work that Naomiand I do.
It's basically dropping youinto subconscious states and
going into the energy body andlooking to unwind these emotions
.
And so we had a retreattogether as part of the coach
training.
Naomi is one of the coaches inthe Next Level Human work.
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We did training together and aspart of that she came to one of
the events and it's funny,right, because Naomi's like you
know, jade.
What's really interesting aboutthat event is I almost didn't
come because and it happened tobe the breakthrough Now I know,
working up to that, all the workwe had done prior to that was
loosening things and then it'ssort of like boom, this big
thing that happened.
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But for those of you who arewondering what work we do,
that's what it's like.
If you've ever done psychedelicwork, it's kind of like that,
but not really.
If you've ever done hypnosis,it's kind of like that, but not
really.
If you've ever done breath work, it's kind of like that, but
not quite.
It's sort of this controlledlucid dreaming.
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So I would like to know from you, naomi, because we haven't
talked about this yet how muchdo you think the work leading up
to that?
Because obviously you know wewere doing lots of, you know,
educational work.
We were definitely doing someof the meditations, but there's
something about going to anevent where you just get to
focus just on yourself and Iremember you being a little bit
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like not necessarily wanting tocome because you know obviously
you're very busy as a clinician.
Uh, you know, one of the thingsI also remember is you don't
necessarily like being apartfrom your husband, right, there
was just all these sort ofthings that uh happened.
But I'm curious, um, if youhave any other things that led
cause I know people are going tobe like, okay, naomi, jade, how
do I do this work?
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Like is that all it is?
You go to a retreat, you dosome stuff, and I'm wondering
what kind of uh advice could yougive people in terms of the
actual process for naomi, whichwould be different for them?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
but I'm curious um, I think, first of all, I think
that my subconscious mind wasready, and something about that
is because I went through thescenario multiple times and
there are many things thathappened that week up to the
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training that stopped me, butsomething in me says that I need
to go.
I need to be there with Jake.
And then I think, when I gotthere, one thing is that I was
ready, and then I realized thatif you really want to go through
this transformation, you haveto be really open-minded.
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And then I think the one thingthat with me was I was very
open-minded Because my goal isto actually to do the work.
Because my goal is to actuallyto do the work and I am at a
place that I was ready to to dothe rewrite, rewire, retrain
that we.
We did the process through thetraining, and I think that's
what makes the difference.
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So, um, you have to be.
It takes a courage, I meanreally.
So it takes a lot of courage toactually really looking at
under the hood.
I mean because whatever you'regoing to see, that's not easy
sometimes.
It definitely, I think, for meis more of a being ready and
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open-minded to see what you haveto offer to bring you to the
table so that I can incorporateit into my life.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right.
You're right when you thinkabout you have to be ready for
this work.
I oftentimes tell people do notenter into this work lightly,
because the stuff that you willconfront is not easy.
So we can listen to Naomi'sstory.
She's been carrying this thing.
But understand, many of youcarry stories that you would
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never want to share and youmight, objectively we would
never want to share, you know,and you might objectively.
We can look and be like, well,why wouldn't you want to share
that?
You know, jade or Naomi and theand what, what we all
understand.
If you go into your deepestshames as humans, you understand
that you feel to the core ofyour being that sharing these
things is going to have you berejected or not be safe or to be
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used against you or whatever.
It takes tremendous couragebecause keep in mind that these
stories we tell about ourselves.
Someone else might see them asridiculous or trite or you know
no big deal, but for us they'relife and death and we feel that
in our bodies, which is why wehold on to them.
That's why you can't get tothem.
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I can't coax it out of Naomi,naomi can't coax it out of me.
She can't say to me Jade, let'stalk about it, come on, get
over it.
That can't happen.
This has to happen in a waythat I feel it in my body.
It is something that takes anawful lot of courage, and the
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reason I wanted to have thisdiscussion with you in public,
naomi, you and I have beentalking about this back and
forth now for two years.
You know, I guess it's been twoyears since since this
transition, but you know, partof the thing is letting people
understand from two veryevidence-based practitioners who
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do clinical work.
It's shocking to me, and Ithink it was shocking to you, to
be able to say, oh my gosh,this emotional work, even though
we do it, to see the result inthis tangible of a physical
ailment, immune viral infection,to see it cleared through
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emotional work.
Still, even though you and Iknow we've been doing this work
and believe in it, it's stillunbelievable, in a sense because
we've been so steeped inmaterialism the idea that the
only way you clear this isthrough a vaccine or a new drug,
or you're going to be with thisyour whole life, or a
supplement or a diet.
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The idea here is that nothingchanged other than you accessing
this and learning how torelease it.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
I can actually tell you firsthand.
I see a lot of females at workand I see it every day.
People actually do the rightthing, follow the protocols and
go on different specialists andthey are just not getting better
and they're just so busy goingaround.
What is the next pills I cantake, and what's the next diet,
(40:13):
so on and so forth, whateverthey do.
And so not until I actuallyliterally address their emotions
.
What is the subconscious mind isdoing?
That's when the realtransformation happens.
That's when a realtransformation happens.
And then I often say and then Ithink every one of us know what
(40:35):
is the real story, what isunder the hood.
It's just like I said, whateveryou want to look at, now, every
time I start talking about theunder the hood stuff, my patient
literally just sitting therecrying.
So we know, and then I thinkyou agree with me 100, because
our body knows what needs to bereleased.
(40:57):
And then I think that if youare willing to literally do the
work and under the hood andlooking at what is your
subconscious trying to tell you,and then I think that's when a
true transformation can happenyeah, yeah, and you know what I
would add to that.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Let's see what you think about this and then we can
begin to wrap up.
But you know, one of the thingsthat I tend to just for those
of you who are listening to this, I do think you know, like we
can, the new age world of Wu canget this wrong in a sense, like
they can.
Sometimes, you just sometimesyou break a bone, sometimes you,
you know, poison yourself.
(41:32):
There are physical insults thatdo physical damage and to me,
we know that Right, and you knowthere's not some energetic,
emotional, subconscious thing ofa twisted ankle Right.
Like you know, sometimes youjust you stepped in a pothole
and you twisted your ankle Rightand that's that and that's that
(41:55):
.
However, that is not the wholestory.
With illness and what Naomi andI are talking about, you're
talking about two people whodevoted their life to learning
the materialist way of doingthings and drugs and surgery and
clinical work and, by the way,I believe in all of that.
I believe in all of that.
It's good work, it's necessary.
I think it saves lives.
It's necessary, I think itsaves lives.
(42:35):
It's just that this also ispowerful, and perhaps so much
more powerful than we couldpossibly imagine important for
us to understand, from somebodywho is an incredible
intellectual, does incredibleclinical work, who had a chronic
viral immune infection that thewhole world says could not be
cured.
Sees a direct correlation fromreleasing and dealing with her
mental, emotional, energeticbody and this clearing.
And I was skeptical, naomi, toever tell this story and I know
(42:58):
you kind of are too but I alsothink it's time that people more
and more hear these stories.
So I just want to say, not onlywere you courageous and you
know, I do see you as one of mymost courageous friends, by the
way, like you really are justcourage defines you, and, once
again, I think telling thisstory is incredibly courageous,
(43:20):
and so I just want to say thankyou for that and also just give
you a chance to say any otherthings that you would like
people listening to this storyto know about you or what they
should be doing.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
And for me, I think for all your audience one thing
I just want to say that healingis a possible when you are given
the right tools.
And really through all of myclinical experience now, I truly
believe the realtransformations happens when you
(43:53):
connect the dots, when youconnect your mind and your body
and soul together.
That's when you see the miracle.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, 100 percent, you know.
One final question before wewrap up that I'm curious.
You mentioned traditionalChinese medicine.
You know, and I know you're,you know, a typical Western
clinician, but you did grow upin China, right.
And so I'm curious, like, towhat degree has that traditional
(44:31):
background, how much did itpermeate into you and are you
more interested in it now,because they do have more of an
energetic understanding thanWestern medicine.
I'm wondering, just as a finalkind of question, how do you see
that now, having come up inthat culture, understanding, I'm
sure, a little bit of thatmedicine, because you grew up
(44:51):
with it and now sort of beenspending your whole life as a
Western clinician, and now kindof coming back to you you did
mention it, you and I haven'ttalked about it but I'm just
curious how you see that.
Is it something that you arerevisiting now?
Is it something that you alwayssort of had in the back of your
mind, or is it just somethingthat you've become re-interested
in now that you've delved intothis work?
Speaker 2 (45:13):
I'm just curious I think that's always back into my
mind and I think it's that Ialways look at um, a body was a
whole system.
It's not what we do.
We take one part, buteverything is all connected.
And then I think that's whatbrought me to from conventional
medicine to functional medicine.
Here goes the subconscious word, and so I think that is because
(45:36):
my influence and the Chineseculture influence.
That's how I am able tointegrate all of them together,
because there's always a missingpiece.
And then I think that I comearound the full circle now.
So I know that.
That's why I know that this isgreat work.
And then I know you're doing ittoo, and you see amazing
results as well.
Yeah, I love that.
That's why I know that this isgreat work.
And then I know you're doing ittoo, and you see amazing
results as well.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, I love that.
You and I hadn't talked aboutthat before, but it's
interesting that that stuff inthe back of your mind, that
early influence, kept you opento holism, helped.
You see it permeated.
You were like there's somethingmore, the body's more holistic,
and that has guided you to thiswork.
Naomi, thank you so much.
I love you, my friend.
I think this story isincredible.
(46:19):
I know it's going to help a tonof people and just stay on the
line for me so we can say bye toeach other, but thank you for
being here, my friend.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Thank you for having me.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
See you everybody.
I hope you enjoyed the show.
We'll talk soon.
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