Sound Healing, Sacred Geometry & Ancient Wisdom with Tyler Engel- Ep. 283

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In this episode of the Next Level Human Podcast, Dr. Jade interviews Tyler Engle, an engineer and musician who explores the intersection of sound, sacred geometry, and spirituality. Tyler shares his journey from engineering to delving into esoteric knowledge during the COVID pandemic, highlighting the connections between music, healing, and ancient technologies. The conversation covers the significance of cymatics, the role of sound in human experience, and the potential for sound healing in modern society. Tyler emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and authenticity in personal development, advocating for a holistic approach to healing that integrates music, breathwork, and visualization.

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Tyler Engle, sacred geometry, cymatics, sound healing, personal development, engineering, spirituality, music, consciousness, ancient technologies

takeaways

• Tyler Engle combines engineering and music to explore esoteric knowledge.
• Cymatics reveals the connection between sound and visual patterns.
• Sacred geometry has historical significance in architecture and spirituality.
• Sound can be a powerful tool for healing and personal development.
• Meditation is essential for mental health and clarity.
• Music can unlock emotional energy and enhance physical performance.
• Ancient technologies hold valuable insights for modern healing practices.
• Integrating sound, breath, and visualization can facilitate profound healing.
• The placebo effect can amplify the effectiveness of healing practices.
• Now is a critical time for exploring alternative healing methods.

Chapters

00:00- Introduction to Tyler Engle and His Work

02:47- The Intersection of Engineering, Music, and Esoteric Knowledge

05:53- Bridging Science and Spirituality through Cymatics

09:11- Sacred Geometry and Its Historical Significance

11:53- The Role of Sound in Healing and Human Experience

15:10- Exploring the Power of Frequencies and Their Effects

18:02- The Connection Between Frequency, Form, and Human Consciousness

21:02- The Science of Sound and Its Impact on the Body

23:57- Ancient Technologies and Their Relevance Today

27:05- The Role of Music in Emotional and Physical Healing

30:00- The Future of Healing: Integrating Music, Breath, and Visualization

33:05- Final Thoughts and Future Collaborations

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Tyler's Website
Tyler's Books
Tyler on Social Media: Instagram, Tiktok

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, everyone, welcome to today's podcast.
This is the Next Level Humanpodcast.
I'm your host, Dr Jade Tita.
I have a very interesting gueston today and this is just to
let all you listeners know.
This is one of these people thatyou stumble across on social
media and they kind of open it'slike pulling back the veil or

(00:23):
something like you know, it'slike what's behind the curtain
and you know it's like thisamazing information.
And I bought this person'sbooks.
I've been, you know, sort ofstalking him and been asking him
to come on the show and sharewith us, and so this is Tyler
Engel.
He's at Bass Forge on Instagram, where I follow him.

(00:44):
He's also a DJ.
He's written several books.
This one in particular, CodexEsoterica.
This is the first book that Igot.
It opens up a whole new world,and what I want to do, Tyler, is
just set this up for everybodyand then just kind of have you
sort of jump in.
You know I'm going to this is anarea, just so everyone knows,
that I am not really familiarwith at all.

(01:05):
But to me, part of what I wantthe Next Level Human podcast to
be is not to just teach youabout these four jobs, health,
wealth, personal relationshipsand personal development.
But to me, I think in the realmof personal development, the
primary thing that we need tounderstand is self-awareness and
perception changes, learning tosee the world differently, and

(01:26):
I feel like Tyler sees the worldvery differently than a lot of
us and kind of points out thingsthat might surprise a lot of us
, and so what I'd like to do,Tyler, is just have you and I'm
going to butcher it if I try toexplain to you exactly what it

(01:46):
is that you do, so I would lovefor you to just essentially just
go okay, look here, guys,here's what I do and here's how
I came to this work.
And then, of course, I have aton of things I've been dying to
ask you.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Thanks for having me on, man.
I'm really excited to talkabout this stuff.
I actually we were talkingbefore this.
It's really kind of hard tocompress everything that I
actually want to talk about intoa minute on, you know, tik TOK
or Instagram, so long formopportunities are always
appreciated and uh, thank you somuch I would.
I would say my my job here isto kind of be the bridge between

(02:21):
my knowledge and the thingsthat I see in the world.
I come from a background.
I'm an engineer by trade.
I've worked in computerengineering for like three years
and then didn't like thecorporate life, so got out of
that, started a couple ofbusinesses and then got into
some, I would say, esotericstuff during COVID, like looked

(02:43):
into, you know, typical stuffthat everybody falls into,
pyramid stuff and that usuallyleads to some interesting rabbit
holes.
And I noticed some connectionsbetween my engineering knowledge
and at the time I've beenmaking music for quite a long
time too, so I have a backgroundin audio engineering as well.
Those two were linking up withthe history that I was looking

(03:07):
into and then I just dove intothat world quite a bit and then
opens up a whole bunch of realmsof sacred geometry and stuff
that humans have been studyingsince we've been able to study
things like that, study thingslike that.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Actually, if you don't mind, let me just stop you
right there, tyler, because Iwant to just point out something
to the listeners and somethingto you that I think will help
frame this.
Isn't it interesting For thenext level human?
In my mind, the whole path is,the idea is like this there's
never been another Tyler in thehistory of humanity, nor will
there ever be again, same withJade, same with all you
listeners.
And what's interesting, whatTyler just showed us all that I

(03:44):
just want the listener to beaware of, is that his unique
history.
Right, he's got thisengineering background, he's got
this music background and thenall of a sudden, he starts
delving into this new thing and,because he has this history and
this background, he comes atthis in a unique way and all of
a sudden starts to see certainthings that maybe not many other

(04:05):
people could see in quite theway that Tyler sees them because
of his background.
And so this gets me excitedwhenever I hear stories like
this, because it's basicallylike I always love this next
level human story of like, well,I had this background, this
background, I put them together,I saw this thing and, lo and
behold, all of a sudden becauseI'm coming at it from this way,

(04:25):
something opens up for me, solet's go into what opened up for
you.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
It's funny you say that because I started the whole
page just not for my selfishreasons either.
I was like I wanted tocrowdsource my knowledge.
I was posting about things andthey were things that I was
comfortable enough to explain,and then I would get people
would DM me like, hey, have youseen this?
Have you seen this?
Have you seen this?
So over the year, the year anda half that I've been doing this

(04:51):
, I've crowdsourced a lot ofresources I would have never
known about.
Personal people had taken tripsto places that I would never go
and sent me personal pictures,and it's allowed me to kind of
analyze these things from adifferent perspective.
So my hope is that I can showsomething to someone and maybe
that unlocks something in theirbrain where they make something

(05:12):
that changes humanity.
You know they could.
Maybe it's not me that's meantto open that door, but maybe
someone else can pick up a piecethat I laid down and be like yo
, this is, you know, absolutelyrevolutionary.
I can apply this to mechanicalengineering or something.
So that's really why I startedit in the first place, and then
just making these resources iskind of my main pursuit at the

(05:36):
moment, and then, you know,assembling a team later on is
kind of like my goal to kind ofmake some technology that
actually benefits all ofhumanity from the perspective of
a holistic you know let's notkeep destroying the planet type
viewpoint, and, uh, I mean, Ithink everybody's on the same
page there in 2024 or so.
Um, anything I can do for that,that's.

(05:58):
That's really what I'm.
I'm sticking with.
But I feel like the um, likesacred geometry and cymatics and
all of that stuff ties intoitself and it's a really easy
bridge.
I grew up in a very um, uh,christian household and when it
was, when I was younger, Ididn't really, you know, pay
attention Like many of usthere's, you know, you're a kid,

(06:20):
you don't really want to go tochurch or anything, you want to
play on the playground, you wantto do all that stuff and kind
of push me away from it.
And, um, and I feel like a lotof this stuff kind of bridges
the gap between um, the scienceand spirituality circles, you
know, cause oftentimes they buttheads and there's a lot of
knowledge in both.
And I think the bridge and whymy stuff's doing so well, is

(06:41):
cymatics, and it's such a newfield now and people are
experimenting with it and it'sso cool to watch kids love it,
adults love it, and it it'sliterally bridging the gaps, and
I can show so many examples ofhow sound has been used for
healing, and and sound has beentranslated into images that
become the symbols that we knowand that we've seen throughout

(07:02):
history, and making thoseconnections is literally what
you know what AI does Like.
If I can, if I can put theselittle nodes in your head that
says, hey, this is this and thisare related.
That's just building a bettermental architecture for you to
do something with your life.
You know, ignorance is going tobe the thing that holds most
people back.
And if you can translateancient, ancient information

(07:25):
that we've had for so long intothis modern paradigm, with all
these modern tools like AI andand you know we're talking
probably half I don't know whereyou're at, but we're very far
away from each other and we canhave conversations like this,
linking your knowledge with myknowledge to your audience.
So it's all.
I think we're living in theperfect time for this and, like
you said, there's no one likeyou, no one like me, and

(07:47):
whatever we can do for everyoneelse, I think that should be the
main mission of everybody.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, you know what it's really interesting.
Right, I want to get into forthe listener to define some of
these things, but you know, thatis what you said Something that
I think is another hallmark ofthe next level human idea, which
is this idea that when I amcompletely authentic to myself,
when Tyler goes, I'm just goingto be Tyler.
I'm going to take my history,my traumas, my dramas, my
learnings, my all the stuff, andjust authentically express, and

(08:15):
without with confidentdetachment, by the way, not with
expectations or assumptionsabout where it goes or the need
for popularity or whateversomething magical begins to
happen and all of a sudden youbecome a building block, perhaps
, to new knowledge.
Now, what you're dealing withis this idea.
Hopefully I won't butcher it,but what I think, what I'm

(08:35):
interested in all you listenersgetting from Tyler, is he seems
to, in my mind, be followingthis idea that I just stated,
but actually going backwards andsaying, hey, listen everybody,
we've actually had some of thistechnology for a very long time,
ancient technologies that we,as smart as we think we are,
have missed.

(08:56):
And I'm probably going tobutcher this, but he mentioned
this idea of sacred geometry andthis idea of cymatics.
So those of you who haven'theard of cymatics.
The idea would be if you'veever seen these experiments
where you take a vibrating platewith frequencies going through
it and put sand all over it andpump these frequencies through
these plates, you see thisformation of these amazion sort

(09:19):
of pictures, much like whatTyler was pointing to the
mandalas that we oftentimes seeand people meditate on, like the
Sri Yantra and stuff like thatthat cymatics is actually making
pictures out of soundfrequencies.
And this is the stuff that Iwas just blown away, tyler, the
way you're putting this stufftogether.

(09:40):
So when did you start seeingsort of this sacred geometry,
this music piece sort of comingtogether, and what sense are you
making out of it?
Like, where does it come from?
Like, can you give us sort ofthe big picture where your aha
moment, where you're just likeoh my God, jade, I just went,
you know this is when it startedclicking for me.

(10:01):
I'm wondering when thathappened and why and how.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
It's kind of a funny story.
Honestly, I'm a music producertoo now, and I make a lot of my
own music visuals.
I'm an electronic musicproducer, so when we play live,
we have a big screen behind usand then it displays visuals.
And so my goal with my projectwas to connect as many senses to
the experience as possible,because you have your audio, you

(10:26):
have your crowd around you, youhave your visuals, you have
your lasers, you have your lightshow, you have all that stuff
right.
And so I was noticing, when Iwould go to shows and festivals,
that the best producers hadlinked all of that together.
The lasers were in sync and thevisuals were displaying stuff
that felt like it was.
It was the music visually Right.

(10:52):
And so my, my immediate thoughtwas I'd watched this, this
documentary by Nigel Stanfordcalled cymatics, and he does a
beautiful job.
If no one has seen that, pleasego check it out it's.
It's got millions of views nowand it's it's.
He did such a good job with it.
It made me feel like that.
That was the, that was theultimate like connection between
the two.
So I um, I built my owncymatics little um water dish on

(11:14):
a speaker type situation, andwhen I was recording it, I was I
was initially just going to putthem in the background and kind
of video edit a cool visual inthere and they started making
these patterns.
And then I was like, okay, thisis.
I didn't discover cymatics byany means, but I started
reaching out to people on socialmedia that were doing the same
thing and there's like four orfive guys that are doing such a

(11:37):
great job.
Journey of Curiosity.
Cadboy, if you're looking onInstagram, they have these
exceptionally high qualitypictures of these cymatic glyphs
.
That's what they're called.
When you, when you do a freezeframe of a frequency, it's a
cymatic glyph.
And so I was sharing mine withthem, they were sharing theirs
with me and we kind of builtthis library of all of these
frequency sound shapes Right,and when I started looking at

(12:01):
them, I was like, oh, I've seenthese somewhere.
Man, I know I've seen these.
These patterns are too like,they're too intricate and
they're too symmetrical to nothave been used before, because
if you think about it, you could, you know, sing into a bowl.
That's literally what singingbowls are and it creates a
pattern.
When I was looking at doing myrabbit hole of Egyptian research

(12:25):
in 2020, I was noticing a lotof the same patterns were in a
lot of the ancient cultures, andthe symbols seemed to have a
meaning that was much deeperthan what I was getting from
them, because when I would lookthem up, you get a very surface
level explanation.
So when I would, what I didreally was kind of just
deconstruct what was going onwith the sound and what was

(12:49):
going on with the symbol andkind of try and bridge that gap.
And once you do that, you startto notice similarities between
cultures and then you kind ofform an accurate-ish type
picture of what the thingactually means by having enough
perspectives.
Right, I have my own opinion onwhat it means, but the
Buddhists over here say thatit's one thing, the Hindus say

(13:09):
it's one thing, christians sayit's one thing, and there's a
bunch of these ancient teachingsthat are converging at this one
time.
And the way that I saw it wasokay.
Well, people are obviouslybiased about what they are.
You know, whatever they grew upin, they have a cultural bias
to it.
But if I can show that y'allare talking about the same thing

(13:33):
, then maybe we can kind of geta little bit more of a bridge
between everybody.
And then, once I did that, thenI then everybody started
sending me stuff, because I wasjust the neutral party, I was,
you know, respect to all thesecultures, and all of them
reached out to me and they'relike, well, my, my grandma has
this book and it has thispicture in it.
What do you think this means?
And so I was, I was compilingall these things and um, and so

(13:55):
I was like, okay, I think I can,I, I have my, I have my music
projects and I have my, mysocial media topics now, media
topics now.
And so, the deeper I lookedinto it, I was like, okay, well,
these frequencies are doingsomething.
Uh, like, geometrically,they're doing something.
And I I also want to clear upthe um, sacred geometry concept.
If no one's familiar withsacred geometry, it's, it's a
spiritual concept, but there's,there's a lot of science behind

(14:18):
it.
It's it's a lot less woo thanpeople think.
Sacred geometry at its core isthe relationship between
straight lines and curves inperfect proportional division.
And if you need a perfectexample of this, you can look at
any cathedral built in theRenaissance, the high Gothic era

(14:38):
.
Every single one of them isbuilt with the principles of
sacred geometry behind them.
They're literally books instone.
So when you start looking atthose two and you realize how
much sound was incorporated intocathedrals, with the giant
bells and the pipe organs andthe rose windows are literally a
cymatic pattern.

(14:59):
They're encoding all of thisgeometry that's linking
frequency to form and that's thebridge and the human
understanding of that.
You are right in the middle ofthat and that's the gift of
creation with humanity is theability to translate the unseen
to the scene and make thatuseful.

(15:19):
And that's what I think we lost.
Like what you said, I think wehad a lot of it before.
I think there was a lot moretechnology that was in
cathedrals and in these templesthat had an experiment where he
played he does this by the book,scientific method, everything.
He did an experiment where heisolated a vial of blood like

(15:55):
red blood cells and two of themfar away from each other, and he
played classical music, a bunchof different frequencies,
almost every single one that hetested.
With the music the red bloodcells would multiply in that
vial and the one where he playednothing and isolated it in

(16:16):
silence, they would, as youwould expect, they all died.
The blood was dead.
So we're doing all of thesestudies that are showing that
there's a lot of hidden power insound and in frequency, and I
think that the main thing thatwe can do is look into this,
because it's a very widelyavailable technology.

(16:38):
Everybody has speakers,everybody has a voice.
You know, like there's somelatent power here that we're not
really tapping into, and I wantto, I'm trying to not really
tapping into and I'm trying toblow the lid off of this.
I'm trying to find out what wecan do.
How can we improve this?

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, you're doing some really cool things, and
actually from my backgroundbecause my background is
biochemistry, naturopath,transpersonal psychology now and
one of the things you see isthe Bramari breath, or humming
breath, as being incrediblypowerful.
I remember one of the firstresearch studies I read on this
was back in the 90s, because Iwas in medical school back in
the late 90s, early 2000s andshowing that humming does

(17:14):
something with the resonance inthe nasal passages that cause
the release of nitric oxide,right, and so just these kinds
of frequencies.
And then, of course, you goback and you go well, we've been
using things like this sinceforever, you know in terms of
like the meditative practices,and this is what I so it's like
isn't it interesting, right,tyler?
Like I was sort of interestedin this and, seeing this from

(17:34):
the science point, I'm a big guywho, you know, sort of loves
music, kind of came up in therap, hip hop era but then got
into like EDM and all that kindof stuff, but then got into like
EDM and all that kind of stuff,and for me I go, there's
something you know so magicalhappening here, which then goes
to the fact that I have a littlebit of this experience and I
see Tyler show up and I'm like,ooh, this guy's interesting
Cause I have enough of a ping inmy brain to go oh, this is

(17:56):
interesting, and the scientistin me and the work that I'm
doing now is really interestingin using music.
Now, one of the things that yousaid, that I just want to get
your opinion on this, becauseit's just two guys who are, I
think, really interested in this, when you say frequency to form
, right, I think that's the wayyou sort of put it what's your
take on?
And this might be jumping likeway the gun, but just forgive me

(18:18):
, listener, because I want tonerd out with Tyler if I can but
this idea of frequency to form.
So one of the things that Ihave been playing with is I've
been studying the biofield andthe idea of the biofield and the
idea of the chakras and thiskind of stuff which, by the way,
in case people don't know,we've actually proven, to my
mind, that the chakras do existJen Rowald, who did a really

(18:42):
interesting study on looking atthe centers in the body.
But from my perspective, to me,I've started to see this idea
of the biofield which, by theway, is still incredibly
controversial for many of you.
So just know that it's stillvery controversial.
But the idea that the biofieldis then being translated into
biochemistry and that the gobetween um then being translated

(19:06):
into biochemistry and that thego between and I just want to
see if this resonates with youor any way, if you have but that
water and this idea of thefourth phase of water or
structure, so-called structuredwater, and the way water holds
frequencies or uh, vibrates withfrequencies or changes with
frequencies, that perhaps thetranslator between the biofield
and the biochemistry is thiswater layer.

(19:27):
That's the first thing.
I want to see if you knowanything about that or have any
thoughts about that.
But the reason it reminds me ofsomething for you is I saw you
do something really interestingI think it was you on one of
your things where you took thesedifferent frequencies and
layered them on top of eachother in very different ways and
all of a sudden a human faceemerged from that and this idea

(19:49):
that you're pointing us towards,that you know frequencies
moving into form, and so I'mwondering if I'm botching this
for you, if you understand whatI'm asking.
I'm just wondering if you haveany thoughts on this idea of how
that happens how thesefrequencies move into form, and
do you see it as having anythingto do with the idea of us being

(20:10):
energy bodies that then areobserved physically?

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, without getting too speculative and still
staying on the kind of scienceproving side, I totally agree
with that.
First off, there there's abunch of research now I can cite
probably two papers off the topof my head that are linking dna
to being a fractal antenna.
So fractal antennas are whatyou use in your cell phone too.
It's.
It's an antenna that maximizesspace and can accept a huge band

(20:42):
of frequencies and respondaccordingly.
That's what your cell phonedoes.
So, no matter where you're at,you can have signal.
There's a wide band, there's anLTE band, there's a 5G band.
All of these antennas are builtinto the phone.
The DNA of you, it doesn'treally like.
When I grew up, it was like youknow, you had your genetic code

(21:04):
and there's a lot of.
You know you're predisposed todoing all sort of mechanism that
DNA responds to, that cantrigger certain genes to

(21:26):
maximize survival and and andyou know your, your chances of
staying here, and I think that,like, I'm not saying that sound
is the main one, but there's alot of things that that kind of
trigger my like your, your yourears, connected to the vagus
nerve, like it's.
It's your quickest way ofreacting to anything.
Right, you hear loud sound,you're like what's that?

(21:47):
You know, like there's, there'sa lot of things linked to sound
with the human mind.
Even.
You know, like you said, thehumming, the, the, the nasal
passages are connected to thelimbic system.
Am I wrong?
I'm pretty sure that's right,right, so I think that there's a
lot of things that are pointingtowards okay.
There's triggers within us.

(22:09):
Some may be triggeredacoustically, ultrasonically,
with infrared.
There's a spectrum of wavesthat we absorb on the daily and
it seems like that antenna wouldrespond accordingly, right?
So I think there is definitelya link between the unseen and
the biological world and it'sgetting translated by DNA.

(22:31):
That's without my, with mylimited medical knowledge.
That's really kind of what myresearch is pointing to.
And if you look at, like youknow, the gateway process by CIA
, a bunch of differentmeditation techniques that use
sound to enhance that cognitiveexperience, or hemispherical

(22:52):
synchronization, you know whereyou're playing two tones that
are slightly off in both earsand your brain makes that the
difference in the middle,linking the hemispheres of the
brain to that frequency that's.
I use a lot of that in my ownpersonal meditations and for me

(23:14):
I could be biased because I madeit, but it seems like it works
a lot better.
I've experimented with a lot ofthese things and doing the OM,
too, is the same, like whatyou're saying.
It resonates the, the, the, thenasal cavity there, and they've
been, you know, it's, this hasbeen around for so long and it's
been kind of written off in thelast I don't know two, 300

(23:36):
years where, where we took itfar more seriously before,
before this era where everythingwas was more based on that, and
now I think we're getting into,like the, there's so much
technology that we're forgettingabout the original technology
that we come equipped with andthat we've been studying for
thousands of years.

(23:56):
And to write off all of that, asyou know, just spiritual or
like just ritual.
It was a spiritual ritual for areason.
Reason is because it waseffective at doing something.
Whether that means gettingpeople together for you know
just that, that social cohesionor to to actually direct some
sort of frequencies into ahealing process.

(24:16):
I think we need to look intothat.
I think there needs to be morestudies on that than than, you
know, pharmaceutical drugs.
I think that's that morestudies on that than
pharmaceutical drugs.
I think that's a no-brainer.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, 100%, and I think we're starting to see the
very beginning of this.
Here's another question for youwhen you think about sacred
geometry and the use in thesecathedrals and the use in all
these places that you'repointing out around the world,
are you seeing this sacredgeometry being used primarily to
amplify musical frequencies andfrequencies like that?
Are you seeing that that's whatthe use was, or was their use?

(24:49):
Do you think all on its own?
Because there's this connectionyou're making with the
engineering background.
What's interesting about you isyou're an engineer from one
standpoint, but you're also anaudio engineer, so it's like
you're bringing in these twoengineering.
How are you seeing these things?
Are you seeing them as aone-way street where the sacred
geometry that was built into alot of these ancient structures?

(25:11):
Do you think it was built thatway to amplify sound, or do you
think it's doing something inand of itself, or vice versa?
I'm curious, because that's theone thing I really wanted to
ask you.
What's your hypothesis on why,for example, some of these
things seem to be built, atleast based on what you're
seeing to either I don't knowmitigate sound, amplify sound?

(25:37):
I've heard things like some ofthese ancient structures being
dampening for frequencies thatcan cause earthquakes and stuff
like that.
What's your take on why thesestructures were built the way
they were?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Well, the more you look into the ancient world, the
more you realize there's a ruleyou have to look at.
It's never just one thing.
They never did anything withjust one meaning behind it,
whether it's a word, whetherit's a word, whether it's a
temple, whether it's a piece ofart, it all was layered with

(26:10):
different meanings and uses.
And for me, the temples andthis is a whole branch of study
called temple science if you'reinto the esoteric world and the
whole focus of it is twofold.
When you go into a cathedral ora temple, you're immediately
humbled because the amount ofeffort and the craftsmanship and

(26:31):
beauty that you see in all ofthese things makes you take a
step back and go okay, they justdid this for a ritual purpose,
they did all of this for that.
That doesn't make a lot of.
So I walk into, like my localchurch or or anything down the
street and I'm like, okay, thisis a normal building.
It's like in a strip mall, youknow.

(26:51):
But you walk into one of thoseand you're like there's
something else here, something'sgoing on, you know you.
You immediately look around andyou're like how, who, who
designed this?
Why did they do this?

Speaker 1 (27:00):
it's the sense of awe that you get, like when you see
a mountain or something.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
It's exactly awe you know, yeah, except you, you
someone took that from theirmind and made it into a real
thing.
That's even more like holy crap.
So that's kind of whattriggered me to look into to the
like design of it.
And then when you look at thedesign, the design is based on
harmony and proportion, andharmony and proportion are

(27:24):
absolutely fundamental for music.
If you don't have harmony andproportion in sound, then you
have really bad music.
It doesn't sound good.
Harmony is fundamentally, if youwhittle it all the way down, is
how spheres interact withspheres.
The same principles that workfor music are the same
principles you'll see inmagnetism and the same
principles you'll see in thedouble slit experiment, wave

(27:46):
interference.
All of it is one thing.
So for me, I think sound was ahuge focus because humans have
the ability to manipulate thatform of wave.
Naturally we have vocal cords,we can talk, we can formulate
speech, we can create thesesound symbols, glyphs, if, if

(28:06):
you want to look at it from acymatic perspective, of the
words that we're speaking, whenI speak into this microphone and
you hear it, the literally,your brain is processing the
geometry of the waves.
It's not processing the soundright.
It has to deconstruct that right.
So geometry and sound are, youcan't have one without the other

(28:27):
.
They're intricately linked andthere's a there's been many
studies on this there's a silentresonance in each cathedral or
ancient temple and they all aresymmetrical.
They're not noise, it's notlike a random wave, right.
They all make a pattern andwhen you play certain
frequencies in them, certainfrequencies are amplified, no

(28:48):
matter what other harmonics arein that, that piece of music or
that sound that the pipe organsmaking or the choir singing,
certain frequencies areamplified and certain
frequencies are.
It's like an equalizer.
Being inside one of thesecathedrals is literally like a
tuned hall, like a concert hall,and I I am under the a hundred

(29:11):
percent, I'm fully convincedthat whoever was designing it
knew what frequencies theywanted to amplify and what
frequencies they wanted tomitigate, because they probably
had an effect on the human bodyand the health of people.
And I mean any cathedral you goto, you're going to see it.
There's a shape like a crossand the front of it is a half

(29:32):
circle and that part is calledthe ambulatory and that part is
literally.
It looks exactly like aresonance chamber that you'll
find in a magnetron, like inyour microwave.
It looks exactly like aresonance chamber that you'll
find in a magnetron, like inyour microwave.
It looks exactly the same.
It focuses that sound right inthe center, where the altar is.
So the physics are pointing tothat.
You can't deny that.

(29:53):
The physics are pointing to it.
So how do we increase ourunderstanding of that?
We have to have scientists andphysicists take this seriously,
and to do that, I feel like Ihave to connect so many dots
that it's almost impossible foryou to be like okay, there's,
there's something here, what'swhat?
What is it?
And and linking that is iscould be revolutionary for all

(30:16):
of humanity.
You know, if you don't need to,if you don't need all of this
stuff to to heal yourself or tohave peace in your mind after a
traumatic experience that we'reall going to go through, how,
how are we going to progress ifwe have all these people that
are that are, you know, helpless, and there's a tool out there
that people can use to helpthemselves and to to really
improve their life, and nobody'snobody's talking about it, no

(30:39):
one's.
No one's helping people use it?

Speaker 1 (30:41):
And it's basically for free, and I guess this can
drive us into an interestingdiscussion where some of my
expertise may diverge with yours, and so let's go into this and
see what you have to say on someof this.
And some of you listening willunderstand this, because you've

(31:08):
heard this from me before, butthis is probably the first time
Tyler has heard this, at leastfrom me, although I'm sure it's
going to be interesting andfamiliar to you.
So let's just take some of thestuff that you and I would call
controversial in science rightnow.
Of course, I've always been alittle bit like you, I'm a
little bit of renegade in myfield, but the work that I'm
doing now in transpersonalpsychology essentially goes like
this.
It essentially goes what wehumans are dealing with, the
reason we can't make positivechange, and in my way of looking

(31:30):
at this, tyler and I think youand I are in complete alignment
here, based on some of thethings I heard you said and the
way I look at it I look at it as, like, each individual needs to
step up to his or her authenticself, and in doing that, in
growing ourselves and learning,we get to teach and create for
others.
So to me.
I think there's learn, teach,love.

(31:51):
That's why we're on the planet.
Love meaning, create for others, which I think you're in
complete alignment with, basedon what you said.
However, I think people can'tlearn if they're stuck in old
stories of let's not call ittrauma, because it's a little
too cliche but old stories aboutsafety and security, acceptance
and belonging.
They're trying to find theirway in a world that can be

(32:15):
fairly toxic and confusing.
So, based on that, though, weform what I would call misguided
unconscious decisions mud.
Right.
So this mud, these misguidedunconscious decisions, occur in
our psyches at times when we arechild development, adolescent
development, even adulthood.
Right, like you and I, lose ourjobs.
Suddenly you form mud.

(32:35):
You don't have the knowledge,experience, know-how, maturity
to deal with that.
You walk in on your lovercheating on you.
That's mud.
You're not going to be able todeal with that, but what I think
is happening is that people aregetting stuck in this mud, and
the way to begin to heal from itis to get people back into the
brain states and even thenervous system state where that

(32:56):
mud first formed Alpha states,theta states, sympathetic states
and then teach the nervoussystem through parasympathetic
states and maybe even movinginto gamma states and other
states to process thisinformation.
So this is the general sort ofthesis and what I am interested
in and one of the major reasonsI wanted to talk to you is I'm

(33:16):
interested in how we use ourbreath, how we use music and how
we use music and how we usevisualization and storytelling
to drop into these alpha thetaor go up higher into the gamma
brainwave state, so that we canbegin to heal some of this mud.

(33:38):
And now I know you as a musicianand you make your own music.
When we were talking offline, Iwas like, oh, I know you're a
DJ, do you know you make yourown music?
We were talking offline.
I was like, oh, you know, Iknow you're a DJ.
Do you do you know breathworktracks and stuff like that?
And you're like, yeah, I makemy own, coming from this place.
But this is one area.
Now there's many areas.
This is just one area where Ithink perhaps science is right

(33:58):
beginning to understand how todo some of this.
So from my perspective, here'swhat it might look like
incorporating Tyler's work right, we go into and we've done
certain things like this right,where people will go to certain
places in Peru and Europe and gointo some of these ancient

(34:19):
structures and listen to certainmusic or go into certain
meditative states, maybe evenusing psychedelic compounds and
things like that, and you hearthese stories of profound
insights.
You hear these stories ofshifting awareness, complete
perception, altering that sticks.
We know that people who do someof this stuff whether it be

(34:39):
psychedelics or meditation theycome out.
If you take personality tests,their openness trait goes from
less openness to maximumopenness and it just stays that
way.
And so all of that, just to seenot that you have an answer to
any of this, but just for me topresent this to you, and just
see your thoughts on how yourwork may dovetail into this,

(35:04):
because you're doing suchamazing things that I know that
you're interested in the healthand fit.
You know healthcare aspects ofit as well.
So when I say this to you andfor the listeners, does it bring
anything to mind for you?
Where do you think you knowsome of this technology and some
of these new things that you'reuncovering, putting together in
a particular way for us, cantake us?

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Man.
You hit a lot of points there,man.
So the, the.
I want to start with the um,that mud concept that you're
talking about.
I don't really think you canmove out of it until you're in
an appropriate brain state, andI'm pretty sure you said that,
um, and the overwhelming thatthere this isn't even a debate
anymore.
The, the.

(35:48):
The best thing you can do foryour mental health health that's
free and easy to do is meditate.
And the thing that I notice inmy personal life is when I stop
or when I get off track withthat, my life tends to become
more chaotic.
I feel like I retain more ofthat mud, whether it's the
little stuff or bigger stuff,and it just kind of clouds my

(36:08):
vision and I get less creative,I get less motivated, I get more
stressed out.
And if you're going down thatpath and you're, or you
constantly live in that path andand Joe Dispenza talks about
this, I'm sure you're probablyfamiliar with Dr Joe but the
more you you stay in that path,that becomes your.
You know your personality, yourpersonal reality and to to

(36:28):
break out of that, you have toreally, really.
It's not like you snap yourfingers and you're like, boom,
okay, now I can focus on thehigher aspects of reality here.
No, you kind of have tointegrate those, you have to
deal with them, and, in myopinion, the best way to do that
is meditation, and so myinitial thought with all of this
was well, if I can makesomething that makes that more

(36:51):
efficient and gets you in astate that is more of the higher
mind instead of the lowersurvival, scarcity mind, then
that is something that I want toreally look into, because I
feel like music is awesome, it'sfun to make a club banger, it
relieves your stress, but thereare useful things for these
frequencies.
And so what?

(37:12):
My methodology is, as I'mcombining a bunch of schools of
thought here.
So when the gateway processcame out, I just deconstructed
what was going on in the track,and it was made in the 80s, so
obviously it's.
They're not as layered.
Well, you know like today.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I've listened to them and, by the way, just in case
you all don't know what theGateway Project is, it was a CIA
, you know, sort of sanctionedtraining program that trained
people to essentially transcendand move.
They were trying to use it for,like you know, distant viewing
and other types of things, butwhat they found is that it was

(37:49):
absolutely real that peoplecould do this.
But correct me if I'm wrong,tyler one of the things that
happened with this training isit was very difficult to train
other people to do it.
They knew that some peoplecould do it, but they couldn't
train a bunch of other people todo it, so they scratched the
project.
But this is what Tyler'sreferring to with the Gateway
Project and they use certaintypes of music.
So this is interesting, becauseI've listened to these tracks
and you're right, it's older, itdoesn't have the thing.

(38:10):
So you're, you actually areworking on, we're working on
deconstructing this.
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yes, so so my my goal here was to make a just a
better sounding track, and thenI started looking into the
techniques that they were usingand and I wanted to add my own
that I thought were effective.
So so mine start out withwhat's called polyrhythm, which
means a rhythm that your braincannot get ahold of.
It's not a pattern, it's justthere's sounds going on, it's in

(38:39):
you know, sequential order, butthere's no pattern.
You can't predict it.
So that goes on for about aminute, and the frequencies that
it's hitting are frequenciesthat resonate with different
parts we could call them chakrasor flexes, whatever you want to
call them um of the body.
So I started with um, likeabout four of them, and one is
the root, your lowest one.
You'll feel it in your stomach.

(38:59):
It's a bassy note, right.
Another one is more of the midbody.
If, if I were to turn up myspeaker really loud, it would
vibrate in the middle of yourbody, resonating with your lungs
.
The top one is a frequency thatwould trigger something in your
mind.
It would almost be like a gnatand you're like, where's that
gnat?
It's very high frequency, right.
So those three kind of justbounce around for a little bit

(39:22):
and your brain can't predict it,but it's registering where
those frequencies are hitting.
So then, after that minute, theystart to converge into a
pattern.
And when that pattern converges, what I do is the, the binaural
, hemispherical synchronization.
So I'll offset the tones.

(39:44):
Um, what was one tone becomestwo tones.
And then they start to divergefrequency.
And when that happens you canstart to hear a pulse in your
ear.
It's like a wah, wah, wah.
Um, in the lower tones and inthe higher tones it's more like
a wobble, a high, high frequencywobble, and those start to
diverge and then they converge.
And when they converge it goesto mono.
So what was stereo goes to mono, which means your both ears are

(40:05):
focused only on one frequency.
And then you sit there foranother minute.
And then those frequencies,once they after about a minute,
you'll start to feel very, verycomfortable and relaxed.
And then what I do with thefrequencies is I frequency shift
them up to where I want them.
So you start at this baselinelevel of where your body's at,
you feel it in your body, andthen, over about six or seven

(40:27):
minutes, depending on how longthe track is, they slowly go up.
It's not even noticeable Ifyou're focusing on it, you can't
even hear it.
It's only like maybe a hundredHertz for the highest frequency,
the lower one goes up by oneHertz and you just, it's very
not noticeable, but what you donotice is is an elevated feeling
, so that to me, um, after youdo that a while, uh, and the

(40:48):
longer you do it is is obviouslymore effective.
After you do that a while, andthe longer you do it is is
obviously more effective.
It really the best way I cansay it is is it makes you feel a
lot more coherent.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
It feels like your body is actually connected to
your mind.
It's yeah, this is.
I'm loving.
This is so fascinating.
Yeah, it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
It's on.
It's a weird feeling too, causeyou'll start it, and I mean
some.
You know you wake up in like achaotic mindset.
But this 10 minute one I dowhen I have a really busy day
and it just really like my mindfeels like it's, it's balanced.
If, if I, if I can it's hard todescribe because, like you, you
know when you have a headacheand you can feel it in a certain
part of your head, this kind ofwould would take that and maybe

(41:33):
just like blend it in yourentire entire mind, not even a
headache.
If you're focused on somethingand it's like lighting up a part
of your mind, this kind of justsmooths it out right and it
gets everything centered,everything working properly, and
and studies with with thebinaural stuff too, have showed
that it actually does level outthe level of electrical activity
in both hemispheres.
So if you're really you'rereally focused on the logical
stuff you got to do today andit's stressing you out, that's

(41:54):
really going to hinder yourcreativity on finding the
solutions to those problems.
But at the same time, if you'realso in this creative mode
where you just want to draw orpaint or make music, you still
have bills to pay, right, youstill got to do stuff that keeps
your life going and sometimesyou kind of, you know, focus on
those too much.
What I noticed with this is, nomatter what state I'm in, it
balances me to to aim the shipwhere I need, to aim it Right.

(42:17):
So it's more of a reset for meand I'm still working on a lot
of this stuff and the my, myresearch in this is multifaceted
too.
I do the.
I look at it in the cymaticswhen I'm making these things.
I look at the frequencyspectrum, I look at the, the
stereo spectrum, where it'sgoing in your head and how all
of this affects my thinkinginternally, like from from my

(42:40):
perspective, and also what, whatis this doing electrically?
I have this little headbandthat can read your, your
brainwaves not probably asaccurate as it should be, but
but I mean it's a good datapoint to have you know so.
So I'm I'm taking, like, likeyou said, a different approach
to this and I don't know ifanyone is really other than the
you know Monro Institute who didthe gateway project, really

(43:01):
kind of dived really deep on onoptimizing the meditative
process, and a lot of peoplewill kind of go against that
saying that you know it's notabout.
It's not about focusing on that.
The point of meditation is tobe, you know, the observer, to
let things you know just flow asthey will.
But sometimes, if you're you'rean experienced meditator, you

(43:22):
know that it takes like it cantake 15 minutes to get into a
state of, of of mental calmness.
And, uh, I, what I'm justnoticing with this is that I can
get in that state much quickerwith this and I have a much more
effective meditative journey, Iguess, uh, when I listen to
those tracks.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
so yeah, and tyler, this is why I mean I'm so
excited to have to have aconversation about you and I
working together on this,because because, just for you,
the listener, when I hear this,what Tyler is referring to same
thing.
For me, man, it basically goeslike this being a health
practitioner, we need efficienttools to elevate our healing, to

(44:02):
learn and also to elevatehumanity one step at a time.
So, from my perspective, Ithink this stuff has been.
When I was looking at yourstuff, the first thing that I'm
saying I'm like the ancients,you know, sort of we're trying
to do the same thing by, byputting themselves in these
temples that are creatingparticular resonance by getting

(44:22):
in there and using certain tonesin their voices by you know,
even when you look back at that,you know the, the drumming and
the pounding and the dancing.
It's like the use of thesefrequencies to get you in these
altered states.
And why is this important?
Because we can't and I thinkyou and I agree on this we can't

(44:43):
grow as humans if we're chainedto past dramas, traumas, trials
, tribulations, difficulties.
We can't actually elevate toour authentic next level, human
self.
So, from my perspective, I havebeen on a journey to find the
fastest way to get people tobreak through these things.

(45:04):
Now, from my perspective, youstill got to go out in the world
and be it.
It's not like we get to justbreathe a particular way, listen
to Tyler's music and stuff likethat, just breathe a particular
way, listen to Tyler's musicand stuff like that.
And, by the way, just so youknow, tyler, for me I'm like
what I'm working on is breathand storytelling in the process,
and I'll give Tyler abackground on this, and then all
of you and I know we got about15 minutes so I want to be

(45:26):
respectful of your time but nowimagine we take Tyler's music
that he's generating right, andnow imagine that we go some of
these low frequencies down intothe lower areas where safety and
security concerns sort of live,if we look at the chakras from
that perspective.
And then we began to bring upchildhood events like myself

(45:47):
getting left at a baseball fieldwhen I was six years old into
the night.
That wasn't an abuse, I wasn'tsexually abused or physically
abused, but this was a traumaticevent, simple event, no one's
fault, but it lives in my lowersort of level.
So now imagine we bring in yourmusic.
We set these particular tonesto resonate in that area, I
bring in a script like a safetysecurity script, but it could be

(46:12):
anything fighting a dragonconfronting a demon, any of
these kinds of things, and themusic is essentially promoting
this.
And I do a very fast pacedbreath to enhance the
sympathetic, so maybe aholotropic style breath, double
breath, and I push that as themusic is going to resonate in
this area, as I am, you know,sort of conjuring this visual

(46:36):
image for you and it doesn'tmatter what the image is, it
just matters that you areconfronting your safety and
security needs and your concernsand we go through this process
and then we sort of elevate thatright after, let's say, to the
higher levels or to the heartfocus center.
We come in with emotions likelove and appreciation and
excitement and vitality andreprogram it this way.

(46:59):
This for you, the listener, andfor Tyler hearing this the
first time, I know that he'sprobably very much understanding
where I'm going with this.
But this to me is a short wayversus spending five, 10 years
in therapy which does not get tothe unconscious mind what I
have seen.
In my rudimentary way of doingit, without the music technology

(47:20):
, just with breath work andvisualization, storytelling.
I can move people through fiveto 10 of these sessions to
clearing some of these chains.
That's what I'm interested in,adding sort of the music onto.
And of course, I'm interested inyour putting together this idea
that the ancients were aware ofthis in some powerful way that

(47:40):
we need to bring back.
And so this is the major thingthat I think is really powerful
in the work that we can do whenwe get different practitioners
coming in that understand thisstuff and then even doing some
of the work you mentioned.
Joe Dispenza and I know he'sdoing some of this work where
he's using imagery as well.

(48:01):
So now he's got the music, he'sgot imagery, he's got the
breath work and sort of thisvisualization thing.
So this is what I am alsointerested in, like you in
beginning to take this on, ofcourse I'm that we don't spend
half of our lives reliving thesetraumatic events, waiting for

(48:34):
the apology, hoping, you know,getting over the regret, getting
over the hurt.
I mean, people live their wholelives and die at 80 as
adolescents and we don't havetime for that as a society.
We need to elevate.
So that's sort of my pitch toyou, tyler.
What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Man, again, every time you speak.
I got like three points I gotto nail now.
Well, okay, the most importantone.
You look like you go to the gymquite a bit.
Am I wrong here?

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I also go to the donutgym, but yeah, I go to both.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
I go to that same gym yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
I love both of those gyms.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
So when you go to the gym you listen to music, right,
100%, 100%, 100%.
So certain music.
Like you're not going to put onsome Celine Dion at the gym,
are you?

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Nope, yeah, so you know what I listen to?
More EDM now, but I used tolisten to hardcore, angry,
hardcore rap and Tool orsomething a little bit
animalistic.
But now interesting and you mayhave some thoughts on this.
Now I really am liking hardcoreedm with a hard beat.
No, no music that's.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
That's exactly what I listen to at at the gym too.
But if I if my things onshuffle and a song comes on
that's not fitting with myworkout, I immediately I'll stop
a set and I'll go change thesong.
Right, something in the musicunlocks some energy in you.
You know, if you're goingthrough a breakup, you don't
want to hear like some happy,happy, joyous song, right, you

(49:58):
want to hear a breakup song.
You want to hear someone goingthrough the breakup and and how
they got better or how they justlike are dealing with this in
the song.
Those are are bookmarks forfeelings, for the.
All of these frequencies arebookmarks that unlock a certain
type of emotion inside of you,right?
Whether you want to believe thescience on that or not, I can
show you everybody at the gymhas headphones on.

(50:20):
They're not listening to themusic that's playing in the gym.
Everyone there has their ownmusic that unlocks their
personal energy in there, energyin there.
So what?
What I was thinking when I firststarted getting into this was
okay, if those like a cathedralrose window has has that
frequency on there, right?
What does that frequency mean?

(50:43):
What?
What is that unlocking, ifthere's?
If you look at Hindu temples.
Look at the ceilings.
They have a, they have apattern on there.
It's a, it's a cymatic, itlooks exactly like it.
Were they bookmarking thefrequency that you had to hit to
unlock that?
That?
Whatever it did in that temple?
Because every, every single one, without fail, all of them have
used there's some coreingredients to a temple and they

(51:04):
all have to do with water.
So water is the easiest way toview frequency because it is a,
it's a fluid medium.
It responds very quickly to thesound.
So you put a bowl of water andyou hit a certain frequency,
that water will resonate and itwill show you that pattern.
Right, so were they?
Were they using that to decodethe?

(51:26):
What unlocked the architecture?
The healing property, the, the,the use for that frequency in
the architecture?
That is my.
My biggest focus right now is if, if I can get some even boots
on the ground to try this out,is is my real mission.
But, um, expanding on that, the, what they did there and we we

(51:47):
kind of touched on it before isthey.
They did link all of the whatyou're talking about.
They have beautiful works ofart on the wall.
They have these perfectgeometric figures expressing
symmetry, proportion, beauty.
It's unlocking that part ofyour visual mind.
You've got the frequency that'sgoing straight to the vagus
nerve.
You've got probably a lot ofpeople around you sharing that

(52:10):
experience.
You're feeling them as well.
The more of these senses thatyou can link, you're confirming
in your mind that this is, thisis helping, and even at the
minimum, we know the placeboeffect is real.
So even if they're just,they're just tapping into a
little bit of the placebo effect, it's probably 10 times more
effective than any placebo trialthat we've ever done, just

(52:33):
because they have so many thingsthat that in your mind are
confirming this is what'shappening.
I came into this temple to healmy my ailments.
Everyone here is supporting me.
All of this stuff was builtaround me to do this, and these
guys clearly know what they'retalking about.
They have the frequency on thewall, like you know.
So so that that to me is likeis is really the, the.

(52:57):
The decoding thing that I'mtrying to do is is figure out
okay, how did, how did thisactually interact with either
the environment or the humanbody, or for physical phenomena
within the, you know, scientificrealm?
Whatever it is, I want to knowwhat it is and, and apparently a
ton of other people do too andyou're all these alternative

(53:17):
methods of healing and exploringthese, these new things are
becoming so popular because Ithink people are just they're
tired of looking at these, thecommercials for these drugs, and
then half the commercial is theside effects.
Half the commercial is thething that you okay, don't do,
take this If you're this andthis and this, this could cause
this and this and this.
We've had that for 30 years now.
And and not saying that there'snot use for that there's so

(53:40):
many advancements that we'vemade in the medical field and
and I hate it when people takeit like I'm talking trash on
that there's so many angelicbeings that work in the
healthcare field.
I'm in no way throwing the babyout with the bathwater there.
I just think that we're we'retrying to take the bandaid
solution for these problems,like what you're saying are deep

(54:01):
, emotional, rooted problemsfrom either childhood or intense
trauma, and you're trying tosolve it with a pill.
It's just not going to work.
It never works.
I've never seen somebody I'veI've seen people to have go into
the psychedelic trials withPTSD and come out completely
different.
I've seen people that have, youknow, even on a music festival

(54:23):
level, go to a music festivaland have the most spiritual
experience they've ever had withtheir friends, and then they're
a different person.
Experience they've ever hadwith their friends, and then
they're a different person.
So those to me, I want to focuson that.
That's what changed my life andI want to explain that in the
best way that I can.
And if I have, you know, a giftfor doing that, then I hope
I've tapped into it and I canuse that to the benefit of

(54:45):
humanity.
That's that's really my, mygoal.
But but on a personal level too, is I'm kind of chasing that
high.
Honestly, it happened for me myfirst festival, my first
concert experience.
I loved it.
I was like I can do that, Iwant to do that, and all of this
.
They clearly did something thathelped their entire community

(55:06):
back in the day.
It's not impossible to do thatnow.
It's not impossible to do thatfor your own town, for your own.
You know the people in yourlife.
If you have something that thatgenuinely helps and and affects
you in a positive way and yousee someone else, your best
friend, struggling with it, youhave the tools to help them.
You know that's that's to me.
It's just giving people thatthat power back, instead of

(55:27):
going to the, to the physician,and having them diagnose you
with something you knowdefinitely keep up with your
health but also try these things.
They're free, they're easy.
There's no downside tomeditation or things like that,
and I think you can agree, too,that the benefits that you get
just for trying these thingsoften last for the majority of

(55:48):
your life.
I haven't stopped meditatingsince I started.
There's so many habits thatI've gained from this that I'm
so grateful for.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah, man, and I'll tell you what.
Final thoughts as we wrap up.
From my perspective, being inthe healthcare field since 15, I
started personal training at 15, naturopathic medicine, I went
away from conventional and nowpsychology I can tell you, tyler
I'll just reinforce what you'resaying I have not seen, which
is why I'm doing this work.

(56:16):
A lot of people are like Jadeyou had such a name for yourself
in the world of metabolism andyou know you sold all these
workouts.
You know why are you cominginto this realm?
Because I'm a guy who wants tofind stuff that works.
I don't care where it comesfrom, I'm just a dude who wants
to find what works and what Ican say without a shadow of a
doubt.
I have seen people, I've seenhealings I can't explain, let's

(56:38):
just put it that way and stuffthat I wouldn't necessarily
speak about because it justmakes you look like a woo-woo
type of person.
And I am an evidence-based guy.
But I do think you and me andpeople like us are onto
something here.
We have to continue followingthis path to make impact.
And, dude, I honestly thinkyou're just a brilliant,

(57:00):
authentic mind.
So thank you for seriously,thank you for expressing it and,
by the way, thank you for beingaccessible for all of us and
for all of you listening.
I just want you to kind offirst of all, follow Tyler on
Instagram.
That's where I follow him, buthe's also on TikTok.
He's Bass Forge in both places.
I don't know.

(57:21):
Bass Forge rather Bass Forge onboth places, the bass meaning
the music, not bass like thefish.
So yeah, so definitely followhim there.
And, man, I want to.
I'm hoping me and you can dosome work together to build some
of these what I might callhero's journeys with music and

(57:44):
stuff.
You're really blowing my mind.
I'm excited to find you as anew teacher for myself.
So thank you for that.
All of you go get this is thebook I have that is like.
I've already kind of gonethrough it twice Codex Esoterica

(58:06):
.
It's a lot, but it will giveyou Tyler's sort of basic, what
he's essentially teaching.
And that's all I have to say,man, just my deep gratitude.
Anything you want to leave uswith final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
So I always say this at the end of these things like
I didn't.
I never planned on doing thisat all.
I just I really got into whatyou were saying, my authentic
pursuit, what I, what I wantedto talk about you know, and
really try to share it asauthentically as possible, and
that has completely changed mylife.

(58:37):
I was researching this for fiveyears before I said anything
publicly and I really do thinkthat it's now, this is the best
time to do this.
If you're interested in any ofthis, open the door, see what
you're interested in, becauseright now is a pretty critical
time in humanity where a lot ofpeople need a lot of help, and

(58:58):
me and you can only do so much.
Even though we have platforms.
It's going to take a whole lotof effort to actually do some
positive change and whatever youcan do to do that, like I said,
I'm committed to providing asmany resources as possible.
I also have a school.
If anyone else is interested indiving really deep on that.
We teach all kinds of things,from the meditation stuff to the

(59:21):
temple, science, sacredgeometry All of it's a gateway.
All of it's a gateway intoexpanding the mind, becoming a
higher, conscious being that canhelp the people around you, and
I appreciate the work thatyou're doing, man, to spread
this and you're an intelligentguy.
We need more people like youare willing to explore these
things.
That maybe would.
If you were in your medicalfield, you would kind of get

(59:44):
criticized for talking to meabout some of this stuff, but
now I think we're both going toget criticized, as we know, yeah
, but now's the time to kind oftake a stand and be like I think
we're both gonna get criticized, as we know.
Yeah, yeah, but it's, it's.
Now is the time to kind of takea stand and be like no, we're
gonna, we're gonna talk aboutthis and and thankfully, we're
evidence-based too, and and Itry and provide as much as
possible, but, but yeah, we justmore more people on board with
this, the better yeah, 100.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
And that school one more time is the mystery school.
Is that what it is on yourwebsite?
It's called the forge.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yeah, it's called the forge.
It's hosted on schoolcom.
Uh, yeah, it's uh right rightnow 20 bucks a month, so cancel
anytime, whatever you arewanting to look into.
I've got something for you,sweet, so the forge on school.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Yeah, I'm, I'm using kajabi right now.
Maybe I'll go over to school.
But anyway, tyler, my man,thank you so much for your time.
Do me a a favor, stay on theline.
I just want to make sure thisloads up For all of you.
I hope you enjoyed Tyler Engel.
I hope you will check him out,get his books, go do the Forge
on schoolcom.
Definitely get into his workand we will see you at the next

(01:00:45):
show.
Thank you, everybody.