August 17, 2025 • 49 mins
In this episode of the Next Level Human podcast, Dr. Jade Teta engages in a deep conversation with colleagues LaRosa Johnson and Nicole Spencer about the evolving landscape of spirituality and consciousness. They explore the intersection of traditional religious beliefs, new age philosophies, and a more scientific approach to understanding consciousness. Each guest shares their personal journey, highlighting the importance of synchronicities, intuition, and the tools that help them connect with a higher source. The discussion emphasizes the significance of love, connection, and the quest for meaning in life, encouraging listeners to explore their own paths toward spiritual growth.
takeaways
- The podcast aims to foster real conversations about spirituality.
- There are three main paths in spirituality: traditional religion, new age, and a third path.
- LaRosa's journey reflects a transition from a strict Christian background to a more open spiritual perspective.
- Nicole's lack of religious upbringing led her to explore self-development and spirituality later in life.
- Jade's scientific background initially distanced him from spirituality until personal experiences reignited his interest.
- Synchronicities and patterns in life can guide individuals toward their authentic selves.
- Engaging with consciousness can lead to magical outcomes and deeper understanding.
- Authenticity and love are central to connecting with source consciousness.
- Different tools resonate with different individuals in their spiritual journeys.
- The conversation highlights the importance of being open to various spiritual experiences and teachings.
Chapters:
00:00:00 Introduction to the Third Spiritual Path
00:05:04 LaRosa's Journey from Christian Faith
00:14:58 Nicole's Path from Religious Neutrality
00:19:03 Jade's Spiritual Evolution
00:30:42 Tools for Communicating with Consciousness
00:36:16 Why This Matters: Purpose and Connection
00:41:08 Listening to Source: Practical Approaches
00:48:37 Final Thoughts and Future Explorations
Contact LaRosa: Larosa@larosajohnson.com
Contact Nicole: @nicole.r.spencer on Instagram
Connect with Next Level Human
Website: www.nextlevelhuman.com
support@nextlevelhuman.com
Connect with Dr. Jade Teta
Website: www.jadeteta.com
Instagram: @jadeteta
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, welcome everybody to the Next Level
Human podcast.
I know it's been a while sinceI have done an episode, but I
have two of my colleagues workcolleagues here with me in the
weekend in Asheville and we'redoing some business stuff and I
wanna really make this podcastmore about conversations from
here on out.
(00:20):
I mean, obviously I'll continueto do some of the content that
I've been doing that you all areused to from me, where it's
just sort of solo episodes, butI want to also have real
conversations with people whoare going through the next level
human process.
And so I've got my good friend,larosa Johnson here, who does
tech work but also is in thesort of conscious community.
(00:44):
Now he has a YouTube channel,he's putting out content in this
place and he comes at thismainly from a religious
background, right, so he hasmore of a religious
understanding, more movingtowards this consciousness type
of thing.
And then Nicole Spencer, who'sbeen a really good friend of
mine for a very long time andalso a mentor of mine more
(01:04):
recently in business and myself,and we're going to be talking
today really about this idea ofwhat we might call the new
consciousness or spiritualityconsciousness, and how people
arrive here, and so let me setthis up and then we'll just
really just going to have threefriends just actually sitting
(01:26):
around talking, you know, sortof informally.
But here's the thesis that Iwill present from my perspective
.
When you look at the world ofspirituality, we've kind of got
two categories and it doesn'tseem much other room for it.
One category is the religiouscategory, right.
So it's like this idea that youcome at spirituality from a
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religion you know Christianity,islam, judaism, it's these big
three and that's kind of how youcome at this.
And then of course there aresome lesser religions, but those
are the big ones and that's howmost people say that's the
domain of spirituality, andthat's how most people say
that's the domain ofspirituality and that's how you
should deal with it.
And of course we have the NewAge, sort of what you might call
(02:10):
New Age woo-woo universe typeof language.
That is sort of this broad,popular New Age philosophy that
people talk about.
So instead of talking about Godand the Bible and sacred texts,
they're talking about theuniverse and all of this kind of
stuff.
And I want to sort of explore athird path that I think myself,
(02:35):
larosa and Nicole are allconverging on in different ways.
And I'll just say one morething here and then let Nicole
and LaRosa sort of jump in andsee if I've characterized this
correctly.
But from my perspective it'ssort of like LaRosa is coming
from this place of more of aChristian religious background
and moving into this, what Iwould call this third space that
(02:56):
we'll define.
Nicole is, I think, a littlebit more agnostic in the way
that she was raised and kind ofsomewhere in the middle and sort
of moving into this.
And I actually am coming from.
I was raised Catholic but spentmost of my adulthood, as you
know, I would say, a devoutatheist, you know, someone who
believed in essentially nothing,who now believes most
(03:20):
definitely in something, and soI don't know, if you all want to
, where you want to start, butmaybe I'll start with you,
larosa, and just kind of get asense of your story, your
background and how you sort ofsee this third space, and would
you even say I characterizedthat appropriately for you.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I would say so.
I think for me it goes all theway back to my second
great-grandfather, who foundedthe church that my parents grew
up in.
My parents, grandparents, allof them went to that church, and
so my family has a long historyin the Christian faith, as far
(04:00):
back as I can trace it, and sofor me it's something that I
grew up in from birth andhaven't known anything other
than that, and I'd always had anacumen for wanting to study the
Bible, understand it, teach itto others.
Even in my teenage years thatwas something that I did that
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kind of set me apart from mostof my friends.
I didn't have too many friendsbecause of that, but it led me
down a path of wanting to knowGod more.
But at the same time I was alsovery analytical, very
scientific, love math andscience.
So those are my favoritesubjects in school, and so there
was always like the dichotomyof the two trying to figure out
(04:47):
how does science back up myChristian faith, and then
knowing that most preachers, atleast that I knew, were
bivocational.
So all right, I'm going off tocollege, learn how to do
something that's going to makeme some money instead of going
off to seminary.
So I did that and realized thata lot of what I was going to
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learn spiritually I was able todo on my own and so, at least
professionally, went off andjust did what I thought I was
going to do, like working withcomputers, which is what I enjoy
, have always enjoyed and itwasn't until I moved to Austin,
texas, in 2007, where I reallystarted taking a deep dive in
(05:32):
theology, learning the biblicallanguages, greek, hebrew,
systematic theology, churchhistory, like all this stuff All
the stuff that you would learnin seminary.
I learned it in the localchurch, and so that was a learn
in seminary.
I learned it in the localchurch, and so that was a great
foundation for me.
And also working for a Biblesoftware company at the time, so
not having to go spend money onbooks because being an employee
(05:54):
you get everything for free andso that really helped solidify
the foundation that I thought Ineeded at that time and really
stood for for many years Wrotebooks about it, have websites
about it, and that's reallywhere things took me.
(06:18):
And then it was actually workingwith Nicole for business
coaching that things started totake a little bit of a shift,
because as a part of not onlythe business coaching.
She really harked on needing tochange your mindset and that's
what's really going to help yoube successful in your business.
And so, as a result of that,bringing in people who thought
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differently about things, thatwas more on like what we would
call like the woo side of thingsand looked at things from from
that side and at first beingvery hesitant, like I would show
up for all the calls becausethat's what I paid for, that's
what I was going to do, and sodid that, very hesitant.
(07:02):
It was like you know what I'll,I'll listen.
And then I just started seeingpeople's lives changed and how
it was impacting them, and thenstarting to work with some of
the people that were in the, thegroup with me, working with
them one-on-one, paying for them, and they had psychic gifts.
And then someone else startedgetting into tarot and so she
(07:27):
offered a free reading one dayand I was like you know what?
What the hell?
Let me just see what it says,even though everything in my
Christian faith was like it'sthe occult, don't do it, it's
divination.
I was like what's the worst thatcan happen.
And so I get this reading andit's like, wow, this is very
(07:52):
insightful for where I am inthis moment.
And sure you could look at it,as this is very generic and you
can make it mean anything but meknowing what my situation was
at that time when I wasstruggling with this was very
accurate in terms of what Ineeded to hear in that moment,
and I was one to always believethat God can speak through
anything and anyone.
(08:12):
That was one thing that Ialways believed because, going
back to my Christian faith alittle bit, it's really run the
gamut of Christian doctrineStart off old school Baptist
church.
Growing up, my parents moved tomore charismatic church, so it
was very familiar with that.
(08:33):
And then getting into more ofthe um, reformed background,
calvinist, all that kind ofstuff, um more recently, and so
my faith really ran the gamut.
I was able to understand all ofit.
So with all of that it reallystarted transforming things for
me and started to have a moreopen mindset.
(08:54):
And it started looking at otherthings like, more recently, the
telepathy tapes and looking atthe gifts of nonverbal autistic
kids, because I have a kid whois severely ADHD and was
recently diagnosed as autistic,although he's high functioning,
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verbal, but having more of acompassion for that because of
the community that I'm in.
And so seeing that, then readingabout near-death experiences,
seeing other religions readingabout meditation, and all that,
it really just started to openmy eyes to see that there's a
little bit more to this thanwhat the Christian faith says.
(09:38):
And I started diving intoquantum physics and all that
stuff because I love the scienceand I want to back it up with
science.
And then that really just blewmy mind and from there it's like
I still tell people that I holdto my faith, I hold Jesus in a
(09:59):
very high regard, but at thesame time I am open to God or
source or universe, whateverpeople want to call it.
At this point I don't reallycare, because it's all just a
word and I'm open to hearing Godspeak wherever he wants to
speak, however he wants to speak.
And that is kind of the longand short of what's gotten me to
(10:23):
where I am now.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, I love that.
And before we get to you,nicole, I want to just follow up
on kind of what I heard.
It's really interesting.
Like I didn't realize you hadthis deep of a background in
Christianity, I mean you wentdeep into that world and we're
steeped in Christianity.
I mean, you went deep into thatworld and were steeped in it and
it strikes me, the one thingthat strikes me about what you
said.
It seems to me and don't let meput words in your mouth, but
(10:47):
you said something that's reallyinteresting to me that I was
always one to see that God canspeak to me in many ways and
that openness seems to haveallowed you to hear and at least
in your perception and yourfilters, to see this as your
connection to God, even if itdidn't look like your Christian
(11:10):
faith would necessarily spell itout.
And I find that superinteresting.
And am I getting that right?
That?
That's kind of how you cameinto this place.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You just started being like this feels too much
like God, been like three and ahalf years now at this point,
getting a weekly reading and Iwould also have a weekly call
(11:45):
with a friend of mine where Iwas doing the coaching with her,
and those two would happenaround the same time on a Monday
morning.
So I get off the call.
We'd be talking about coachingstuff, helping me grow my
business.
Get off the call.
There in my inbox is the tarotreading.
(12:05):
They'll give it a listen.
She's talking about the exactsame thing that we were talking
about on the call, with nocontext whatsoever to know that
we were talking about that oranything.
Because one of the things aboutthe tarot reading that I get is
she has no context for itwhatsoever.
It's what she calls her.
What do you need to know nowreading?
And so whatever she feels andsees, that's what she tells me.
(12:28):
So she doesn't come to me forany context, she just tells me
what she sees.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, and actually so one thing I want to say about
this, before we get intoNicole's story, is that it does
seem to me that this is a themeas people start to move into
this let's call it thirdconsciousness or this third sort
of understanding, where it'snot simply religion and it's not
simply new age, tapping into alevel of consciousness that is
(12:58):
speaking in a sense, and theystart paying attention to
synchronicities andserendipities and signs in ways
that you start going.
This is just too Too pertinentand potent to just be a
coincidence, and it seems to methat, to me that this is one of
the first things that begins tohappen as people move into this
(13:20):
space.
They start seeing this sourceconsciousness as actually
speaking to them in ways, andit's just really cool.
I've had that experience and itseems like you did as well, and
I guess then I'll pick up withyou, nicole.
So with your story wherever youwant to start it, with your
story wherever you want to startit.
But have you felt this samekind of you know, recognition
(13:47):
that, yes, I'm somehow feelingguided or in touch or being
spoken to or getting signs andsynchronicities and
serendipities along the way?
How did it happen for you?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, it's kind of hard to remember the origins,
you know, because, as I wastelling both of you to remember
the origins, because, as I wastelling both of you, I had no
religious background in myupbringing.
My mom was raised Jewish and bythe time she was about to have
a bat mitzvah she said shedidn't want one because she
didn't believe.
My dad was raised Catholic, buthe was never particularly
serious about it, so I had noexposure to anything.
(14:15):
And even growing up here in theSouth and Asheville, North
Carolina, I had a lot of friendswho went to church.
Sometimes I went and I stillhad, like, really no idea what
was going on and I put piecestogether.
Like you know that Christmaswas a religious holiday on my
own when I was in college, whichmight sound crazy to people,
but there was just literally nodiscussion ever for any reason.
And I actually remember Imust've been like four or five
(14:40):
years old and I remember lyingin bed and I was thinking about
dinosaurs and how dinosaurs wereonce here and now they weren't.
And so then I asked my mom.
I was like, well, that happenedwith the dinosaurs.
You know like what happens tome?
And she's like, well, when youdie, you just turn to dust, and
that was a very terrifying thingto hear as like a four or
five-year-old, and I rememberjust crying myself to sleep for
like multiple nights in a rowafter that, and she of course
(15:01):
didn't mean any harm, but that'sher belief and it still is to
this day.
So I can't quite figure out howI ended up on this path.
I think you know, as I, as Ibuilt and sold my first business
, I got really into justself-development and learning
and reading, and I have aliterature degree.
I was an English teacher, sofirst I was reading all fiction
(15:23):
and things like that for many,many years and then, as I
started to shift into thisself-development world, I think
that is probably just whatopened the awareness.
And then it was after I sold mygym and I came back here to
Asheville, which is a very, Iwould say, spiritually oriented
community, and even though Iwasn't actively participating, I
don't know.
Just things started to shiftand then people started to come
(15:46):
into my life.
That really expanded the way Ithink.
And I think that there was atransition in terms of that
opening for me happening, evenbefore I realized it, because I
was saying to you the other day.
I go back and I read the thingsthat I wrote on social media,
facebook or whatever, looking atmy Facebook memories, before I
was even aware of this openingthat was happening for me, and
(16:09):
there were just certain piecesof language that I was using and
certain energy in the wordsthat were moving down that more
spiritual pathway, before I waseven really aware of it.
And then I was, as I said,introduced to a series of people
, and you being a huge one,which is funny because when Jade
and I met, he was not on thispathway in the way that he is
(16:31):
now either, but throughexperiences with you, through
experiences of people youintroduced me to, through
experiences with you, throughexperiences of people you
introduced me to, and justthrough connections and building
businesses and really being indifferent masterminds and
programs and eventually doingsome work with psychedelics and
all kinds of spiritual supportand mentorship, it just kind of
evolved, and I think it evolvedreally more from a place of
(16:55):
curiosity versus seekingsomething.
But then, yeah, you kind ofarrive at this place when you
dive in long enough and haveenough experiences and have
enough conversations, where it'snot something you can really
deny, and I think I'm still asmuch as I believe and I would
say I believe, you know, witheverything that I have.
I'm also equally as skepticalof all of it still.
(17:17):
So I don't know if thatanswered the question.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, yeah, and I think it does.
And I want to just give brieflymy background and then I want
the three of us to discuss howwe each engage with whatever
this is.
And for my background, well, Igrew up Catholic, but after
First Holy Communion, my parentsI grew up Catholic, but after
First Holy Communion, my parents, my mother's you know really
hippie 60 culture.
(17:41):
You know that's what she was,what she really was was a hippie
.
And they told me you know, doyou want to continue with
Catholicism?
And I was what 12 at the time,10 at the time I forget whatever
First Holy Communion is.
But I said no and didn't thinkmuch of religion after that.
But in my 20s, early 20s, lateteens, early 20s, I started
(18:03):
getting into some what you allmight describe as spiritual
stuff.
I started really getting deepinto lucid dreaming, I started
really getting deep into theidea of remote viewing and some
of these things and had somesuccess with some of this.
And then I went to medicalschool.
And I actually did go to analternative medical school,
(18:24):
bastyr University, which teachesalternative and functional
medicine, at a time where thatreally wasn't a thing.
Like it's mainstream now, butit really wasn't a thing.
And all of that delving intospirituality just disappeared
for me, and part of it, to behonest with you, is I did not
like the woo I saw the peoplethat I went to school with is
(18:44):
very anti-science.
So this goes to what La Rosawas saying very anti-science,
very lack of an evidence base.
And I came up through it with abiochemistry degree.
Psychology was important to me,evidence was very important to
me.
But towards the end of my timeat that medical school, I had an
experience that brought me backto my lucid dreaming experience
(19:10):
, and this experience kind ofhas still shaken me to this day,
and I was telling Nicole andRosa about this experience, but
I'll share with you all.
I actually don't know that I'veshared this experience ever on a
podcast before, but I was soundasleep and I felt a hand on my
back in my dream, and in mydream this was my grandmother,
who had passed.
It wasn't close to her at all,so there's no special
(19:32):
necessarily relationship there,but she began to talk to me in
this dream and told me that mysister.
She told me a number of thingsI don't remember, but one of the
things was that my sister waspregnant with a boy and my
sister at the time was in NewYork City.
I was in Seattle so I didn'tsee my sister much, but for
whatever reason, she called methat day for some reason.
(19:54):
That's back.
We didn't have cell phones backthen.
This had been 1999, 2000.
Anyway, I'm kind of the classclown in my family so I was like
how come you didn't tell me youwere pregnant?
I had this dream that you'repregnant and you're pregnant.
She's like I'm not pregnant,I'm on the pill, we're not
planning on having kids.
She just met her boyfriend, ormet her, her fiance at the time,
and they were nine months intothe relationship.
(20:15):
She had no reason, but I juststuck with it and made a joke
about it and was like, well,you're pregnant and good luck
with that.
And of course I didn't thinkanything of it.
Two weeks go by and she callsme and goes.
Could not explain where thehell I got this information from
(20:41):
.
And it also opened up myawareness that you know, in
reality, when I was younger Ihad several other experiences
like this.
Then it started making me thinkabout how come, if I'm thinking
about Nicole, she'll call me,or vice versa.
Or someone would be like oh myGod, and you have these weird
synchronicities andserendipities and that started
getting me studying things otherthan just, you know, physiology
(21:04):
and biochemistry and metabolism.
That was the beginning and thatstarted getting me now fast
forward into studying quantumphysics and really sort of
understanding how this works,and so it's really interesting
on how we've all come to this.
But I essentially got dragged,I think, kicking and screaming
but understanding, as I wasworking with clients, seeing
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these patterns repeated in theirlives, almost as if something
was trying to get theirattention.
And this has brought me to thework with Next Level Human, and
so I'll open this up for allthree of us.
Here's the way I see this thatsince I've been working with
thousands and thousands ofclients as a coach and a
clinician and a counselor andthat's really the role that I
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played my whole life Clinician,sometimes I was a physician,
sometimes a counselor, and I didcouples counseling for a long
time and sometimes as a coach,and what I would see is two
different things If someone wason the wrong path, it seemed as
if to me that we would.
They would have patterns repeat.
Right, they would be and youprobably know people like this
(22:09):
from your life right, they wouldhave the abusive relationship.
They would get out of thatrelationship, they would get in
another abusive relationship, orthey would do one diet and have
one health issue and then dothat for a while and then get
healthy and then not be healthyagain and go back on the diet,
or they would have the samethings in finance come up again
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and again and again, and Istarted to see that it seemed to
me that this was like theperfect types of experiences to
get these people to wake up.
And then I would look atsuccessful people and be like,
wow, it literally seems like forthem it's the opposite.
They constantly have theseopportunities dropping in their
lap.
Or this synchronistic thinghappened or this serendipitous
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event happened, and to me,slowly but surely, I started to
see it was whether or not theywere in alignment, from my
perspective, with theirauthentic selves, mission in a
sense.
And this is how I started tobegin to see this, and now I
essentially feel like this isreally what consciousness is
(23:11):
doing, and so I'll open it up toboth of you.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
That was one of the things for me that kind of
pushed me forward was justseeing all those synchronicities
and seeing things just cometogether that I just couldn't
unexplain.
They were, they were there, Icouldn't ignore them anymore,
and even though my Christianfaith said one thing it was very
(23:41):
adamant that no, this is of thedevil, it's demonic or however
they wanted to label it I waslike, well, I'm looking at this
from a scientific perspectiveand there are many things
throughout history that thechurch has deemed witchcraft,
heresy or whatever that they'velater now claim a science and
(24:06):
give it their backing.
So I see this as me being onthe front end of that, and it's
really being able to sit withthat and understand that there's
something more going on here.
And a perfect example for mewas when I got into human design
.
It was one of those thingswhere the first time I was
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introduced to it, looked at thechart, thought nothing of it.
It's like this is just nonsenseand I have no idea what I'm
looking at, and then, throughdoing some tech work, trying to
figure out.
All right, I need to do somebetter videos.
Let me start looking atteleprompters.
Find these teleprompters videoson YouTube, and then there's
(24:52):
one channel.
She had some really greatvideos, watched a couple of her
videos about teleprompters,reading from a script and all
that kind of stuff.
And then YouTube suggests thisone video about human design.
And then down the rabbit hole Igo finally understand it.
Pull up my chart again.
I'm like, oh shit.
Pull up my chart again.
(25:16):
I'm like oh shit.
This is a mirror to the last 40years of my life in like a
couple of pages worth ofexplanation and I couldn't just
ignore it anymore and seeing,well, this is why things didn't
go the way that I thought theywould, or why things didn't work
, or why I feel like me pursuingthis particular path felt like
an uphill battle, because that'snot the way that I was designed
(25:41):
or crafted to work with myenergy.
But then, now that I've gotthat understanding, being able
to put that into play, nowthings are starting to move
because I've got that alignmentand just being able to put that
into play.
Now things are starting to movebecause I've got that alignment
and just being able to seethose things in action, along
with all the other things thatI'm looking at in terms of like
the quantum physics and allthose other things.
(26:03):
It's just making a lot moresense to me.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, you know, I love this idea because here's
another thing that I've foundwith this whole process of
learning to communicate withlet's just call it communicate
with consciousness, and we canget into it if you, if you all
want, like the quantum physicsaspect of it.
But to me, one of the thingsthat seems interesting to me is
that there are many, many tools,right, like there's astrology
(26:28):
and there's human design andthere's lots of different.
There's, you know, enneagramsand different things, and what I
have found is that each personsort of comes to this work in a
way.
It's almost like just like whenI used to do metabolism it used
to be I used to get so upset atthe idea that there was these
one size fits all diets, becauseI'd be like, no, there is no
(26:49):
one size fits all diet, there'sthe tools that work for you and
you have to create your diet.
I'm starting to see this in thesame way after being in this
space of people learning tocommunicate with and dialogue
with and react to this sourceconsciousness, and it seems like
they find particular tools thatseem to speak through them and
(27:12):
if we want to use the term ofGod, I would say, okay, so God,
universe source, however you'retalking about, seems to speak in
many different ways, but thereare certain areas that we pick
up.
So for you you're like, oh mygosh, now that I understand
human design, I can deciphersome of the messages through
that tool, right.
Like I don't really resonatewith astrology at all, it never
(27:33):
makes much sense.
But I do know people who reallyget a lot from astrology in
terms of it resonating andmaking have been very useful for
them as they move through theirlives.
And so there's just these verydifferent tools.
Nicole and I I know also delvedinto psychedelics which I feel
like have a really direct accesspoint, sort of a shortcut into
(27:55):
a consciousness.
I would say sometimes it goes alittle too deep.
I much more prefer a moregentle, meditative, breathwork
type approach now.
But it is interesting thatdifferent tools bring you to
different places and certainpeople gravitate towards these
tools.
So now, instead of seeing thesethings as shamanism or tarot or
human design or judging any ofthem, I don't judge any of them
(28:18):
anymore, I just go oh, this isinteresting that for larosa,
this these particular tool setshelp him get closer to source
consciousness and for nicole,this tool set helps her get
closer to source consciousnessand be in dialogue, and for Jade
it's a different set of tools,like science for me is actually
believe it or not.
For a lot of people they saywell, science is helping me get
(28:40):
closer to source through youknow, who would have known that
would happen?
But I'm curious how you seethat.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Well, I mean to your point what you were just saying.
I think that there's a milliontools and pathways to all
ultimately lead to the sameoutcome.
I think it's why you know thesame principles ultimately apply
across religions and culturesand you know more ancient
traditions and modern.
We're all really seeking andworking toward and ultimately
(29:08):
saying something that's the sameor very, very similar.
But yeah, what was the actual?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
question.
Well, here's where I would loveto go with both of you, and it
goes to the same question.
So the idea for me is why care?
Right, like, why should wereally go into this direction
anyway?
Because I have this hypothesisand this is the question for you
, I suppose.
I think that, as humans, what wewant more than anything else is
(29:39):
to matter and make a difference, to find meaning and purpose in
our lives, to learn and toteach and to love.
Right, like, that's, that's thething.
At the end of our lives, wewant to know that we had
experiences and learn.
We want to know that we teachedand contributed, that we
mattered and we made adifference.
And to me, I go.
All religions seem to point tothis idea that we're all
connected in some way.
And so then I go.
So why go in this direction?
(30:01):
To begin with, why shouldanyone listening to this be like
I want to learn some of thistechnology, to speak and
dialogue with consciousness in adifferent way than what
religious said or the new age Wutype say?
But is that is more sciencebased and grounded, which is
what we teach at next level,human.
So I go like this.
To me, the hypothesis says,because when you begin this
(30:22):
dialogue process, life begins toappear, magic Outcomes begin to
appear like they're happeningfor very specific reasons and
you begin to see the throughline.
And the thread, and so I guessI'm interested in you is how you
see that, because I know fromyour perspective.
Nicole started a company when Ifirst met that was called
(30:43):
Authentic Conversion Marketingand to me it was a really
interesting thing at the timebecause what I saw was a lot of
in authenticity, and I've seennow that authenticity to me
seems to be one of the thingsthat aligns you with source and
starts to allow you to listen tosource.
So I'm asking how you see that?
(31:04):
Hey, why should people careabout this?
What has your journey been inthis regard and how do you feel
like you've been able to havethe success you've had?
Because, if I, you know, I knowyou and I talk about this all
the time, but I'd be curious howyou see it.
Do you feel like getting inalignment with this process and
this source, even when youdidn't know that you were in
(31:25):
alignment, was allowed your lifeto be richer, better, more
fulfilled?
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Well, I think you know it, it led to being
intuitively guided in ways thatI don't necessarily even still
recognize as they're happening.
Meaning, like I mean, I cantrace where I am today in my
life, which I'm so grateful, isa level of, you know, freedom,
(31:51):
success, you know having reallybuilt a solid foundation for the
rest of my life based on thework that I've already done, and
I can attribute all of that todecisions and outcomes that
happened many years before I waseven on this pathway, you know,
even years before I knew whatmy career was actually going to
(32:11):
be.
It's like you can really justgo back and connect all of these
dots and I always think of theif you're a child of the 80s,
you remember those choose yourown adventure books, right, and
so you can see like, okay, if Ichoose option A, I end up here,
If I choose option B, I end uphere.
And I think that if I go backand I really look at everything
(32:31):
when I was at these kind ofpivotal moments of decision
throughout my life, I was justguided toward the right choices
at the right times over and overagain, and ultimately even the
timing of selling my business,like when I actually thought
about that and started thatinitial process.
It made no sense and it was, onpaper, probably not a great
(32:54):
move because of how successfulthe business was and everything.
But just the timing ofeverything has worked out so so,
so perfectly and I can eventrace losing animals in my life
and obviously you might be ableto if you're watching the video.
My dog was in my lap and nowshe's back there, but I can see
really traumatic losses thatI've had of other animals that
(33:16):
led me to her and she led me totraveling the world alone and
she comes with me and so justall of these it's almost
synchronicities, but all ofthese choose option A, choose
option B these moments ofdecision have ultimately led me
here and often I don't evenreally recognize how I'm being
(33:36):
guided.
And sometimes it's in veryobvious ways, like a mentor or
conversation suggestingsomething that I follow, but
other ways it's very, verysubtle and it's more gut
instinct based and I find I have, even still to this day, more
people reflect how led byintuition I am than I can even
(33:57):
see for myself.
So it's a little bit hard tolike, explain and put my finger
on, but you know the more workI've done, um, you know, with my
own just meditations andreading, and you know, at this
point in my life like I'm fullyimmersed in more like we'll call
it like spiritual learning,right?
So the books that I'm reading,the podcasts that I listened to,
(34:20):
that type of thing, um, but youknow, it's the the been the
work that I've done with mymentor, romy, who, funny enough,
jade introduced me to, uh, romyWeiser, if you want to look her
up, she's been my spiritualguide and mentor for four years.
Her work has completely shiftedmy perspective.
As we've mentioned, the workwith psychedelics has been
(34:41):
transformative for me, as wellas just hearing about other
people's experiences, and themore time you spend in this
space, the more things start tojust be like, okay, this isn't a
coincidence anymore, and thethree of us are all kind of
listening to a podcast now thatreally combines spirituality and
(35:03):
science in a way that I thinkis really compelling and unique.
And I think for those of us whohave that really strong
skeptical background which weall do for different reasons,
it's so important to be able tosee enough evidence, right, and
that evidence can come throughactual studies.
It can come through enoughpeople reporting the same thing.
(35:24):
It can come, through our ownexperiences, to where we are
ultimately latching on and stillforming this thing that we're
believing.
Why is it important?
I'm not really sure, but Ithink it's about to what you
talk about a lot playing thishuman game and finding love and
(35:45):
compassion and becoming betterpeople and impacting each other
for the better.
And you know and even LaRosa wassaying we were at dinner last
night like going through thisjourney has helped you be more
kind and empathetic and justloving toward people who you
might've, you know, judged ornot understood before, which is,
you know, really, at the end ofthe day, what's, what's the
(36:06):
point in all of this?
Um, I feel like you'd asked mesomething about my company, but
I I forgot.
No, I think like you'd ask mesomething about my company, but
I forgot.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
No, I think, like from my perspective, this is
kind of where I wanted things togo, and I have one more line
that I want to ask you all butlike to me just to frame kind of
where we are.
When I listen to LaRosa speakand I listen to what you just
shared and I think about my ownexperience and I think about
what you, the listener, kind ofwant.
I think, like, what really isgoing on here is that for those
(36:34):
of you there'll be some of thesethings that I'm experiencing in
my life, seem these patternsthat are on repeat seem to just
(36:58):
be trying to get my attention,or when I listen in a particular
way, it seems to be driving meto a place, and what I'm hearing
from you, larosa, and you,nicole, and that I see within
myself, is that there's aparticular way to listen.
Nicole listened in a particularway.
It's different than the wayLaRosa was listening.
But if we hear LaRosa's storyabout you know, I'm on YouTube
and I'm doing this thing andthis thing was introduced to me,
(37:20):
but then it was introduced tome again and, for whatever
reason, I felt compelled to dothis, and then it, you know, for
whatever reason it brings medown this path.
And then I'm like, oh my gosh,this makes sense here.
This is kind of how this works.
Like I have a rule in my lifewhere I'm like if I, if three
different people tell me thesame people will speak through
numbers, or it might speakthrough a book, or it might
(37:43):
speak through a song, orparticular art or animals or
whatever it is.
The point is, there is alanguage here to be deciphered.
(38:05):
If you're willing to look at it, look at it.
And when it is, when you startto decipher it, it starts to
feel like you are in a club.
All of your own life takes onthis sort of magical quality,
and it's almost like I cannotbelieve this is actual reality.
And so I guess, to end for allof us to wrap up, I would really
(38:28):
just love for the listener tokind of get a sense of you know
how we each listen, and if youbuy into that, for example,
larosa, I would love to hearyour take on you know,
especially from someone thatcomes back from a very strong
religious background like, howwould you agree with me on that?
That there is a particular wayyou listen, and as you started
to listen.
Things have started.
(38:49):
Magic has started to open upfor you, because I think people
can really relate to someonelike you if they're from the
religious background where theygo.
Oh my gosh, he's perhapsspeaking to God in a way that I
hadn't thought you could speakto God or that I had never
talked about.
So I'm just wondering any tools, tips, tricks, wisdom that you
can give from your experiencethat, like, look, here's how I'm
(39:09):
using this and dipping my toesinto the water of whatever you
want to call it, sourceconsciousness, god communication
, universal alignment and anyinsights you have with that.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, I think for me, the best way to explain how I'm
listening is talk aboutsomething that I heard on
recently on a podcast with,where Thomas Campbell was being
interviewed and he talked about,really the what source is
trying to do is to lower theentropy and the way that we do
(39:42):
that.
For, without trying toovercomplicate, it is loving
more in this world.
Over complicated is loving morein this world, and with my
Christian background, we say Godis love.
That is like the highestexpression of who he is.
(40:02):
And then you look at everyother world religion.
It's all about living thegolden rule and forgiveness,
loving others no-transcript.
Is what I'm hearing causing meto love more?
Is it pushing me towards loving, forgiving others?
(40:23):
And if it's pushing me towardsthe opposite of that, then
that's when I start questioningwhether or not it's from the
source.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I love that I love that and I think of the same
thing.
I'll essentially say I live bya rule where I go which is very
similar to what you're saying,where I say you know the
universe, to me, if I lookaround in nature and I look at
source, I go.
What is it?
Well, it's inclusive,everything's included.
It has to be because it's here.
It's integrative, right.
So it takes all these differentthings and brings them together
(40:54):
to create bigger things out ofit, evolves in a sense Right.
And then it's holistic, meaningthat it makes harmony with all
these different things.
And so to me, that inclusive,integrative, holistic nature is
love.
And to your point, too, I goanything that violates
inclusivity, integration, holismand love is something that, if
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it's divisive, if it'sdehumanizing, if it's
destructive to nature oranything that the universe
contains, I go.
That is not for me.
And what's really interestingis the more that I ever will be.
There'll never be another LaRosa.
There never has been, there'snever been a Nicole.
There never will be.
You, listeners, right, you arewholly unique.
There will never be another you.
And to me, I'm like when youget into this inclusivity, this
integration, this holisticnature, which to me defines love
(41:55):
, and what source really is,then you also own your own
unique nature, and as soon asyou do that, you're no longer
playing the game of culture,you're no longer trapped by the
noise and all of a sudden, evenyour social media feeds start to
show up in a way that learn andhelp you love and help you
teach, versus just noise andnonsense.
(42:16):
So I definitely second that, andI will say, with the social
media, for me, I don't see itreally the way that a lot of
people see it.
To me, it has been an extensionof this communication process.
I don't have a lot ofdestructive stuff that shows up
on my social media feeds.
It's not distracting so much.
It actually helps me learn, ithelps me teach, it helps me
(42:37):
create and love more, partly,though, because I've aligned
myself in a way that allows thatalgorithm to feed back to me,
and I do think the algorithm ofsocial media is analogous to
what we're trying to say here.
It basically is this idea thatyou get fed back what you pay
attention to in these socialmedia algorithms.
I think when you're dialoguingwith source consciousness, it's
(43:01):
the same thing.
As soon as you start to payattention to division,
dehumanization and all thesethings.
You get more of that back toyou as soon as you start
thinking about love andinclusivity and integration and
holism.
You get more of that fed backto you.
So I am seeing like sourceconsciousness is one big
algorithm, right, and so that'show I see it as well.
(43:22):
I'm curious how you see it,nicole.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Well, one thing I was going to say is because I think
this is important, thatoccurred to me, as maybe you
were speaking last is the factthat the three of us are sitting
here doing this together rightnow.
To me is like the perfectexample of following intuition.
To me is like the perfectexample of following intuition,
(43:46):
of being divinely led to certainmoments in your life, right.
So you know, jade and I haveknown each other for many years
now.
We met in, I would say, apretty unlikely way, which you
can share or not.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Tinder for all of you .
Shout out to Tinder.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
But you know, and we've had a complicated
connection, you know it's notbeen directed.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
It hasn't been super easy along the way.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Yeah, but it's.
But it's been wonderful and welove and respect and appreciate
each other and even like with LaRosa.
You know, you came into mybusiness as a client at a time
where, I mean, I, I was gettingso many clients.
It was like just insane.
So you were a client at a timewhere I mean, I was getting so
many clients, it was just insane.
So you were a client in a biggroup of people but there was
just something that stood outabout you and I didn't know what
(44:30):
it was.
For a long time I was like thisguy just gets it, he hears
everything I say and he canrepeat it back and you showed up
and I loved how you showed up,but there was just always
something more there.
And then eventually, larosacame and worked for me and
helped our clients with theirtech and got his clients and all
of this stuff.
(44:51):
And I didn't even know until Idon't know this year that you
were having all of this openingaround your faith and your
spirituality, until you reallystarted sharing, that you were
so open to receiving things Iwanted to share with you and you
, like, consumed it so fast.
And you know, then, um, I, youknow, referred you to Jade and
like it's just, it's so.
(45:12):
There are just so many thingsthat had to happen along the way
and these like sparks ofconnection and just being led
and, yeah, just to make certaindecisions and have certain
conversations, that all.
I think that's how we all endup where we are at any moment in
life.
Right, it's just a series ofchoices and events, but there
are certain moments where youfind yourself and you're like,
(45:33):
okay, this was um, this wasguided to to be here.
I think so, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
And, as we wrap it up , I would just finally say this
if you're listening to this andyou're feeling intrigued from my
perspective, there is a thereis for lack of a better term,
let's just call it technology inquotes a way of thinking, a way
of being, a philosophy ofengaging that allows you to be
guided, and, of course, this iswhat I want to be talking much,
(46:01):
much more about, which is why Iwanted to do this podcast, and
it was, you know, again,serendipitous, like, literally,
you know, synchronistic event tohave the three of us all
talking about this as I wastalking about Next Level Human
and my business, and La Rosa andNicole all helping me sort of
hone in on the messaging.
This is the perfect culminationof that, and there is a whole
(46:22):
technology that, for those ofyou who want to engage in this
work, believe it or not, it'snot so amorphous and intangible.
There are actually real,tangible tools and techniques
that we can use that guide, thatdo guide us right, and so we
can.
You can be taught how to tap in, how to listen, how to know the
(46:45):
difference between intuitionand instinct and intellect that
gets you sort of confused, howto know the difference between
what is bubbling up from theunconscious as old wounds, and
what is actually the North Starof spirituality, how
consciousness speaks to you, howto listen, how to engage.
There is a whole set of toolsand techniques here that Next
(47:06):
Level Human teaches.
So if you're interested in this, there's much, much more to
come.
So I want to just say thank you, larosa, for hanging out and
sharing, and Nicole really justlove it, and thank you for you,
the listener, for hanging outand, I know, putting up with me
for not putting up a podcast ina while, but hopefully this one
(47:26):
was useful for you, so we'll seeyou at the next show.
All right, welcome everybody to the Next Level
Human podcast.
I know it's been a while sinceI have done an episode, but I
have two of my colleagues workcolleagues here with me in the
weekend in Asheville and we'redoing some business stuff and I
wanna really make this podcastmore about conversations from
here on out.
(00:20):
I mean, obviously I'll continueto do some of the content that
I've been doing that you all areused to from me, where it's
just sort of solo episodes, butI want to also have real
conversations with people whoare going through the next level
human process.
And so I've got my good friend,larosa Johnson here, who does
tech work but also is in thesort of conscious community.
(00:44):
Now he has a YouTube channel,he's putting out content in this
place and he comes at thismainly from a religious
background, right, so he hasmore of a religious
understanding, more movingtowards this consciousness type
of thing.
And then Nicole Spencer, who'sbeen a really good friend of
mine for a very long time andalso a mentor of mine more
(01:04):
recently in business and myself,and we're going to be talking
today really about this idea ofwhat we might call the new
consciousness or spiritualityconsciousness, and how people
arrive here, and so let me setthis up and then we'll just
really just going to have threefriends just actually sitting
(01:26):
around talking, you know, sortof informally.
But here's the thesis that Iwill present from my perspective
.
When you look at the world ofspirituality, we've kind of got
two categories and it doesn'tseem much other room for it.
One category is the religiouscategory, right.
So it's like this idea that youcome at spirituality from a
(01:49):
religion you know Christianity,islam, judaism, it's these big
three and that's kind of how youcome at this.
And then of course there aresome lesser religions, but those
are the big ones and that's howmost people say that's the
domain of spirituality, andthat's how most people say
that's the domain ofspirituality and that's how you
should deal with it.
And of course we have the NewAge, sort of what you might call
(02:10):
New Age woo-woo universe typeof language.
That is sort of this broad,popular New Age philosophy that
people talk about.
So instead of talking about Godand the Bible and sacred texts,
they're talking about theuniverse and all of this kind of
stuff.
And I want to sort of explore athird path that I think myself,
(02:35):
larosa and Nicole are allconverging on in different ways.
And I'll just say one morething here and then let Nicole
and LaRosa sort of jump in andsee if I've characterized this
correctly.
But from my perspective it'ssort of like LaRosa is coming
from this place of more of aChristian religious background
and moving into this, what Iwould call this third space that
(02:56):
we'll define.
Nicole is, I think, a littlebit more agnostic in the way
that she was raised and kind ofsomewhere in the middle and sort
of moving into this.
And I actually am coming from.
I was raised Catholic but spentmost of my adulthood, as you
know, I would say, a devoutatheist, you know, someone who
believed in essentially nothing,who now believes most
(03:20):
definitely in something, and soI don't know, if you all want to
, where you want to start, butmaybe I'll start with you,
larosa, and just kind of get asense of your story, your
background and how you sort ofsee this third space, and would
you even say I characterizedthat appropriately for you.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I would say so.
I think for me it goes all theway back to my second
great-grandfather, who foundedthe church that my parents grew
up in.
My parents, grandparents, allof them went to that church, and
so my family has a long historyin the Christian faith, as far
(04:00):
back as I can trace it, and sofor me it's something that I
grew up in from birth andhaven't known anything other
than that, and I'd always had anacumen for wanting to study the
Bible, understand it, teach itto others.
Even in my teenage years thatwas something that I did that
(04:22):
kind of set me apart from mostof my friends.
I didn't have too many friendsbecause of that, but it led me
down a path of wanting to knowGod more.
But at the same time I was alsovery analytical, very
scientific, love math andscience.
So those are my favoritesubjects in school, and so there
was always like the dichotomyof the two trying to figure out
(04:47):
how does science back up myChristian faith, and then
knowing that most preachers, atleast that I knew, were
bivocational.
So all right, I'm going off tocollege, learn how to do
something that's going to makeme some money instead of going
off to seminary.
So I did that and realized thata lot of what I was going to
(05:11):
learn spiritually I was able todo on my own and so, at least
professionally, went off andjust did what I thought I was
going to do, like working withcomputers, which is what I enjoy
, have always enjoyed and itwasn't until I moved to Austin,
texas, in 2007, where I reallystarted taking a deep dive in
(05:32):
theology, learning the biblicallanguages, greek, hebrew,
systematic theology, churchhistory, like all this stuff All
the stuff that you would learnin seminary.
I learned it in the localchurch, and so that was a learn
in seminary.
I learned it in the localchurch, and so that was a great
foundation for me.
And also working for a Biblesoftware company at the time, so
not having to go spend money onbooks because being an employee
(05:54):
you get everything for free andso that really helped solidify
the foundation that I thought Ineeded at that time and really
stood for for many years Wrotebooks about it, have websites
about it, and that's reallywhere things took me.
(06:18):
And then it was actually workingwith Nicole for business
coaching that things started totake a little bit of a shift,
because as a part of not onlythe business coaching.
She really harked on needing tochange your mindset and that's
what's really going to help yoube successful in your business.
And so, as a result of that,bringing in people who thought
(06:42):
differently about things, thatwas more on like what we would
call like the woo side of thingsand looked at things from from
that side and at first beingvery hesitant, like I would show
up for all the calls becausethat's what I paid for, that's
what I was going to do, and sodid that, very hesitant.
(07:02):
It was like you know what I'll,I'll listen.
And then I just started seeingpeople's lives changed and how
it was impacting them, and thenstarting to work with some of
the people that were in the, thegroup with me, working with
them one-on-one, paying for them, and they had psychic gifts.
And then someone else startedgetting into tarot and so she
(07:27):
offered a free reading one dayand I was like you know what?
What the hell?
Let me just see what it says,even though everything in my
Christian faith was like it'sthe occult, don't do it, it's
divination.
I was like what's the worst thatcan happen.
And so I get this reading andit's like, wow, this is very
(07:52):
insightful for where I am inthis moment.
And sure you could look at it,as this is very generic and you
can make it mean anything but meknowing what my situation was
at that time when I wasstruggling with this was very
accurate in terms of what Ineeded to hear in that moment,
and I was one to always believethat God can speak through
anything and anyone.
(08:12):
That was one thing that Ialways believed because, going
back to my Christian faith alittle bit, it's really run the
gamut of Christian doctrineStart off old school Baptist
church.
Growing up, my parents moved tomore charismatic church, so it
was very familiar with that.
(08:33):
And then getting into more ofthe um, reformed background,
calvinist, all that kind ofstuff, um more recently, and so
my faith really ran the gamut.
I was able to understand all ofit.
So with all of that it reallystarted transforming things for
me and started to have a moreopen mindset.
(08:54):
And it started looking at otherthings like, more recently, the
telepathy tapes and looking atthe gifts of nonverbal autistic
kids, because I have a kid whois severely ADHD and was
recently diagnosed as autistic,although he's high functioning,
(09:15):
verbal, but having more of acompassion for that because of
the community that I'm in.
And so seeing that, then readingabout near-death experiences,
seeing other religions readingabout meditation, and all that,
it really just started to openmy eyes to see that there's a
little bit more to this thanwhat the Christian faith says.
(09:38):
And I started diving intoquantum physics and all that
stuff because I love the scienceand I want to back it up with
science.
And then that really just blewmy mind and from there it's like
I still tell people that I holdto my faith, I hold Jesus in a
(09:59):
very high regard, but at thesame time I am open to God or
source or universe, whateverpeople want to call it.
At this point I don't reallycare, because it's all just a
word and I'm open to hearing Godspeak wherever he wants to
speak, however he wants to speak.
And that is kind of the longand short of what's gotten me to
(10:23):
where I am now.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, I love that.
And before we get to you,nicole, I want to just follow up
on kind of what I heard.
It's really interesting.
Like I didn't realize you hadthis deep of a background in
Christianity, I mean you wentdeep into that world and we're
steeped in Christianity.
I mean, you went deep into thatworld and were steeped in it and
it strikes me, the one thingthat strikes me about what you
said.
It seems to me and don't let meput words in your mouth, but
(10:47):
you said something that's reallyinteresting to me that I was
always one to see that God canspeak to me in many ways and
that openness seems to haveallowed you to hear and at least
in your perception and yourfilters, to see this as your
connection to God, even if itdidn't look like your Christian
(11:10):
faith would necessarily spell itout.
And I find that superinteresting.
And am I getting that right?
That?
That's kind of how you cameinto this place.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You just started being like this feels too much
like God, been like three and ahalf years now at this point,
getting a weekly reading and Iwould also have a weekly call
(11:45):
with a friend of mine where Iwas doing the coaching with her,
and those two would happenaround the same time on a Monday
morning.
So I get off the call.
We'd be talking about coachingstuff, helping me grow my
business.
Get off the call.
There in my inbox is the tarotreading.
(12:05):
They'll give it a listen.
She's talking about the exactsame thing that we were talking
about on the call, with nocontext whatsoever to know that
we were talking about that oranything.
Because one of the things aboutthe tarot reading that I get is
she has no context for itwhatsoever.
It's what she calls her.
What do you need to know nowreading?
And so whatever she feels andsees, that's what she tells me.
(12:28):
So she doesn't come to me forany context, she just tells me
what she sees.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, and actually so one thing I want to say about
this, before we get intoNicole's story, is that it does
seem to me that this is a themeas people start to move into
this let's call it thirdconsciousness or this third sort
of understanding, where it'snot simply religion and it's not
simply new age, tapping into alevel of consciousness that is
(12:58):
speaking in a sense, and theystart paying attention to
synchronicities andserendipities and signs in ways
that you start going.
This is just too Too pertinentand potent to just be a
coincidence, and it seems to methat, to me that this is one of
the first things that begins tohappen as people move into this
(13:20):
space.
They start seeing this sourceconsciousness as actually
speaking to them in ways, andit's just really cool.
I've had that experience and itseems like you did as well, and
I guess then I'll pick up withyou, nicole.
So with your story wherever youwant to start it, with your
story wherever you want to startit.
But have you felt this samekind of you know, recognition
(13:47):
that, yes, I'm somehow feelingguided or in touch or being
spoken to or getting signs andsynchronicities and
serendipities along the way?
How did it happen for you?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, it's kind of hard to remember the origins,
you know, because, as I wastelling both of you to remember
the origins, because, as I wastelling both of you, I had no
religious background in myupbringing.
My mom was raised Jewish and bythe time she was about to have
a bat mitzvah she said shedidn't want one because she
didn't believe.
My dad was raised Catholic, buthe was never particularly
serious about it, so I had noexposure to anything.
(14:15):
And even growing up here in theSouth and Asheville, North
Carolina, I had a lot of friendswho went to church.
Sometimes I went and I stillhad, like, really no idea what
was going on and I put piecestogether.
Like you know that Christmaswas a religious holiday on my
own when I was in college, whichmight sound crazy to people,
but there was just literally nodiscussion ever for any reason.
And I actually remember Imust've been like four or five
(14:40):
years old and I remember lyingin bed and I was thinking about
dinosaurs and how dinosaurs wereonce here and now they weren't.
And so then I asked my mom.
I was like, well, that happenedwith the dinosaurs.
You know like what happens tome?
And she's like, well, when youdie, you just turn to dust, and
that was a very terrifying thingto hear as like a four or
five-year-old, and I rememberjust crying myself to sleep for
like multiple nights in a rowafter that, and she of course
(15:01):
didn't mean any harm, but that'sher belief and it still is to
this day.
So I can't quite figure out howI ended up on this path.
I think you know, as I, as Ibuilt and sold my first business
, I got really into justself-development and learning
and reading, and I have aliterature degree.
I was an English teacher, sofirst I was reading all fiction
(15:23):
and things like that for many,many years and then, as I
started to shift into thisself-development world, I think
that is probably just whatopened the awareness.
And then it was after I sold mygym and I came back here to
Asheville, which is a very, Iwould say, spiritually oriented
community, and even though Iwasn't actively participating, I
don't know.
Just things started to shiftand then people started to come
(15:46):
into my life.
That really expanded the way Ithink.
And I think that there was atransition in terms of that
opening for me happening, evenbefore I realized it, because I
was saying to you the other day.
I go back and I read the thingsthat I wrote on social media,
facebook or whatever, looking atmy Facebook memories, before I
was even aware of this openingthat was happening for me, and
(16:09):
there were just certain piecesof language that I was using and
certain energy in the wordsthat were moving down that more
spiritual pathway, before I waseven really aware of it.
And then I was, as I said,introduced to a series of people
, and you being a huge one,which is funny because when Jade
and I met, he was not on thispathway in the way that he is
(16:31):
now either, but throughexperiences with you, through
experiences of people youintroduced me to, through
experiences with you, throughexperiences of people you
introduced me to, and justthrough connections and building
businesses and really being indifferent masterminds and
programs and eventually doingsome work with psychedelics and
all kinds of spiritual supportand mentorship, it just kind of
evolved, and I think it evolvedreally more from a place of
(16:55):
curiosity versus seekingsomething.
But then, yeah, you kind ofarrive at this place when you
dive in long enough and haveenough experiences and have
enough conversations, where it'snot something you can really
deny, and I think I'm still asmuch as I believe and I would
say I believe, you know, witheverything that I have.
I'm also equally as skepticalof all of it still.
(17:17):
So I don't know if thatanswered the question.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, yeah, and I think it does.
And I want to just give brieflymy background and then I want
the three of us to discuss howwe each engage with whatever
this is.
And for my background, well, Igrew up Catholic, but after
First Holy Communion, my parentsI grew up Catholic, but after
First Holy Communion, my parents, my mother's you know really
hippie 60 culture.
(17:41):
You know that's what she was,what she really was was a hippie
.
And they told me you know, doyou want to continue with
Catholicism?
And I was what 12 at the time,10 at the time I forget whatever
First Holy Communion is.
But I said no and didn't thinkmuch of religion after that.
But in my 20s, early 20s, lateteens, early 20s, I started
(18:03):
getting into some what you allmight describe as spiritual
stuff.
I started really getting deepinto lucid dreaming, I started
really getting deep into theidea of remote viewing and some
of these things and had somesuccess with some of this.
And then I went to medicalschool.
And I actually did go to analternative medical school,
(18:24):
bastyr University, which teachesalternative and functional
medicine, at a time where thatreally wasn't a thing.
Like it's mainstream now, butit really wasn't a thing.
And all of that delving intospirituality just disappeared
for me, and part of it, to behonest with you, is I did not
like the woo I saw the peoplethat I went to school with is
(18:44):
very anti-science.
So this goes to what La Rosawas saying very anti-science,
very lack of an evidence base.
And I came up through it with abiochemistry degree.
Psychology was important to me,evidence was very important to
me.
But towards the end of my timeat that medical school, I had an
experience that brought me backto my lucid dreaming experience
(19:10):
, and this experience kind ofhas still shaken me to this day,
and I was telling Nicole andRosa about this experience, but
I'll share with you all.
I actually don't know that I'veshared this experience ever on a
podcast before, but I was soundasleep and I felt a hand on my
back in my dream, and in mydream this was my grandmother,
who had passed.
It wasn't close to her at all,so there's no special
(19:32):
necessarily relationship there,but she began to talk to me in
this dream and told me that mysister.
She told me a number of thingsI don't remember, but one of the
things was that my sister waspregnant with a boy and my
sister at the time was in NewYork City.
I was in Seattle so I didn'tsee my sister much, but for
whatever reason, she called methat day for some reason.
(19:54):
That's back.
We didn't have cell phones backthen.
This had been 1999, 2000.
Anyway, I'm kind of the classclown in my family so I was like
how come you didn't tell me youwere pregnant?
I had this dream that you'repregnant and you're pregnant.
She's like I'm not pregnant,I'm on the pill, we're not
planning on having kids.
She just met her boyfriend, ormet her, her fiance at the time,
and they were nine months intothe relationship.
(20:15):
She had no reason, but I juststuck with it and made a joke
about it and was like, well,you're pregnant and good luck
with that.
And of course I didn't thinkanything of it.
Two weeks go by and she callsme and goes.
Could not explain where thehell I got this information from
(20:41):
.
And it also opened up myawareness that you know, in
reality, when I was younger Ihad several other experiences
like this.
Then it started making me thinkabout how come, if I'm thinking
about Nicole, she'll call me,or vice versa.
Or someone would be like oh myGod, and you have these weird
synchronicities andserendipities and that started
getting me studying things otherthan just, you know, physiology
(21:04):
and biochemistry and metabolism.
That was the beginning and thatstarted getting me now fast
forward into studying quantumphysics and really sort of
understanding how this works,and so it's really interesting
on how we've all come to this.
But I essentially got dragged,I think, kicking and screaming
but understanding, as I wasworking with clients, seeing
(21:28):
these patterns repeated in theirlives, almost as if something
was trying to get theirattention.
And this has brought me to thework with Next Level Human, and
so I'll open this up for allthree of us.
Here's the way I see this thatsince I've been working with
thousands and thousands ofclients as a coach and a
clinician and a counselor andthat's really the role that I
(21:48):
played my whole life Clinician,sometimes I was a physician,
sometimes a counselor, and I didcouples counseling for a long
time and sometimes as a coach,and what I would see is two
different things If someone wason the wrong path, it seemed as
if to me that we would.
They would have patterns repeat.
Right, they would be and youprobably know people like this
(22:09):
from your life right, they wouldhave the abusive relationship.
They would get out of thatrelationship, they would get in
another abusive relationship, orthey would do one diet and have
one health issue and then dothat for a while and then get
healthy and then not be healthyagain and go back on the diet,
or they would have the samethings in finance come up again
(22:29):
and again and again, and Istarted to see that it seemed to
me that this was like theperfect types of experiences to
get these people to wake up.
And then I would look atsuccessful people and be like,
wow, it literally seems like forthem it's the opposite.
They constantly have theseopportunities dropping in their
lap.
Or this synchronistic thinghappened or this serendipitous
(22:49):
event happened, and to me,slowly but surely, I started to
see it was whether or not theywere in alignment, from my
perspective, with theirauthentic selves, mission in a
sense.
And this is how I started tobegin to see this, and now I
essentially feel like this isreally what consciousness is
(23:11):
doing, and so I'll open it up toboth of you.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
That was one of the things for me that kind of
pushed me forward was justseeing all those synchronicities
and seeing things just cometogether that I just couldn't
unexplain.
They were, they were there, Icouldn't ignore them anymore,
and even though my Christianfaith said one thing it was very
(23:41):
adamant that no, this is of thedevil, it's demonic or however
they wanted to label it I waslike, well, I'm looking at this
from a scientific perspectiveand there are many things
throughout history that thechurch has deemed witchcraft,
heresy or whatever that they'velater now claim a science and
(24:06):
give it their backing.
So I see this as me being onthe front end of that, and it's
really being able to sit withthat and understand that there's
something more going on here.
And a perfect example for mewas when I got into human design
.
It was one of those thingswhere the first time I was
(24:28):
introduced to it, looked at thechart, thought nothing of it.
It's like this is just nonsenseand I have no idea what I'm
looking at, and then, throughdoing some tech work, trying to
figure out.
All right, I need to do somebetter videos.
Let me start looking atteleprompters.
Find these teleprompters videoson YouTube, and then there's
(24:52):
one channel.
She had some really greatvideos, watched a couple of her
videos about teleprompters,reading from a script and all
that kind of stuff.
And then YouTube suggests thisone video about human design.
And then down the rabbit hole Igo finally understand it.
Pull up my chart again.
I'm like, oh shit.
Pull up my chart again.
(25:16):
I'm like oh shit.
This is a mirror to the last 40years of my life in like a
couple of pages worth ofexplanation and I couldn't just
ignore it anymore and seeing,well, this is why things didn't
go the way that I thought theywould, or why things didn't work
, or why I feel like me pursuingthis particular path felt like
an uphill battle, because that'snot the way that I was designed
(25:41):
or crafted to work with myenergy.
But then, now that I've gotthat understanding, being able
to put that into play, nowthings are starting to move
because I've got that alignmentand just being able to put that
into play.
Now things are starting to movebecause I've got that alignment
and just being able to seethose things in action, along
with all the other things thatI'm looking at in terms of like
the quantum physics and allthose other things.
(26:03):
It's just making a lot moresense to me.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, you know, I love this idea because here's
another thing that I've foundwith this whole process of
learning to communicate withlet's just call it communicate
with consciousness, and we canget into it if you, if you all
want, like the quantum physicsaspect of it.
But to me, one of the thingsthat seems interesting to me is
that there are many, many tools,right, like there's astrology
(26:28):
and there's human design andthere's lots of different.
There's, you know, enneagramsand different things, and what I
have found is that each personsort of comes to this work in a
way.
It's almost like just like whenI used to do metabolism it used
to be I used to get so upset atthe idea that there was these
one size fits all diets, becauseI'd be like, no, there is no
(26:49):
one size fits all diet, there'sthe tools that work for you and
you have to create your diet.
I'm starting to see this in thesame way after being in this
space of people learning tocommunicate with and dialogue
with and react to this sourceconsciousness, and it seems like
they find particular tools thatseem to speak through them and
(27:12):
if we want to use the term ofGod, I would say, okay, so God,
universe source, however you'retalking about, seems to speak in
many different ways, but thereare certain areas that we pick
up.
So for you you're like, oh mygosh, now that I understand
human design, I can deciphersome of the messages through
that tool, right.
Like I don't really resonatewith astrology at all, it never
(27:33):
makes much sense.
But I do know people who reallyget a lot from astrology in
terms of it resonating andmaking have been very useful for
them as they move through theirlives.
And so there's just these verydifferent tools.
Nicole and I I know also delvedinto psychedelics which I feel
like have a really direct accesspoint, sort of a shortcut into
(27:55):
a consciousness.
I would say sometimes it goes alittle too deep.
I much more prefer a moregentle, meditative, breathwork
type approach now.
But it is interesting thatdifferent tools bring you to
different places and certainpeople gravitate towards these
tools.
So now, instead of seeing thesethings as shamanism or tarot or
human design or judging any ofthem, I don't judge any of them
(28:18):
anymore, I just go oh, this isinteresting that for larosa,
this these particular tool setshelp him get closer to source
consciousness and for nicole,this tool set helps her get
closer to source consciousnessand be in dialogue, and for Jade
it's a different set of tools,like science for me is actually
believe it or not.
For a lot of people they saywell, science is helping me get
(28:40):
closer to source through youknow, who would have known that
would happen?
But I'm curious how you seethat.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Well, I mean to your point what you were just saying.
I think that there's a milliontools and pathways to all
ultimately lead to the sameoutcome.
I think it's why you know thesame principles ultimately apply
across religions and culturesand you know more ancient
traditions and modern.
We're all really seeking andworking toward and ultimately
(29:08):
saying something that's the sameor very, very similar.
But yeah, what was the actual?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
question.
Well, here's where I would loveto go with both of you, and it
goes to the same question.
So the idea for me is why care?
Right, like, why should wereally go into this direction
anyway?
Because I have this hypothesisand this is the question for you
, I suppose.
I think that, as humans, what wewant more than anything else is
(29:39):
to matter and make a difference, to find meaning and purpose in
our lives, to learn and toteach and to love.
Right, like, that's, that's thething.
At the end of our lives, wewant to know that we had
experiences and learn.
We want to know that we teachedand contributed, that we
mattered and we made adifference.
And to me, I go.
All religions seem to point tothis idea that we're all
connected in some way.
And so then I go.
So why go in this direction?
(30:01):
To begin with, why shouldanyone listening to this be like
I want to learn some of thistechnology, to speak and
dialogue with consciousness in adifferent way than what
religious said or the new age Wutype say?
But is that is more sciencebased and grounded, which is
what we teach at next level,human.
So I go like this.
To me, the hypothesis says,because when you begin this
(30:22):
dialogue process, life begins toappear, magic Outcomes begin to
appear like they're happeningfor very specific reasons and
you begin to see the throughline.
And the thread, and so I guessI'm interested in you is how you
see that, because I know fromyour perspective.
Nicole started a company when Ifirst met that was called
(30:43):
Authentic Conversion Marketingand to me it was a really
interesting thing at the timebecause what I saw was a lot of
in authenticity, and I've seennow that authenticity to me
seems to be one of the thingsthat aligns you with source and
starts to allow you to listen tosource.
So I'm asking how you see that?
(31:04):
Hey, why should people careabout this?
What has your journey been inthis regard and how do you feel
like you've been able to havethe success you've had?
Because, if I, you know, I knowyou and I talk about this all
the time, but I'd be curious howyou see it.
Do you feel like getting inalignment with this process and
this source, even when youdidn't know that you were in
(31:25):
alignment, was allowed your lifeto be richer, better, more
fulfilled?
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Well, I think you know it, it led to being
intuitively guided in ways thatI don't necessarily even still
recognize as they're happening.
Meaning, like I mean, I cantrace where I am today in my
life, which I'm so grateful, isa level of, you know, freedom,
(31:51):
success, you know having reallybuilt a solid foundation for the
rest of my life based on thework that I've already done, and
I can attribute all of that todecisions and outcomes that
happened many years before I waseven on this pathway, you know,
even years before I knew whatmy career was actually going to
(32:11):
be.
It's like you can really justgo back and connect all of these
dots and I always think of theif you're a child of the 80s,
you remember those choose yourown adventure books, right, and
so you can see like, okay, if Ichoose option A, I end up here,
If I choose option B, I end uphere.
And I think that if I go backand I really look at everything
(32:31):
when I was at these kind ofpivotal moments of decision
throughout my life, I was justguided toward the right choices
at the right times over and overagain, and ultimately even the
timing of selling my business,like when I actually thought
about that and started thatinitial process.
It made no sense and it was, onpaper, probably not a great
(32:54):
move because of how successfulthe business was and everything.
But just the timing ofeverything has worked out so so,
so perfectly and I can eventrace losing animals in my life
and obviously you might be ableto if you're watching the video.
My dog was in my lap and nowshe's back there, but I can see
really traumatic losses thatI've had of other animals that
(33:16):
led me to her and she led me totraveling the world alone and
she comes with me and so justall of these it's almost
synchronicities, but all ofthese choose option A, choose
option B these moments ofdecision have ultimately led me
here and often I don't evenreally recognize how I'm being
(33:36):
guided.
And sometimes it's in veryobvious ways, like a mentor or
conversation suggestingsomething that I follow, but
other ways it's very, verysubtle and it's more gut
instinct based and I find I have, even still to this day, more
people reflect how led byintuition I am than I can even
(33:57):
see for myself.
So it's a little bit hard tolike, explain and put my finger
on, but you know the more workI've done, um, you know, with my
own just meditations andreading, and you know, at this
point in my life like I'm fullyimmersed in more like we'll call
it like spiritual learning,right?
So the books that I'm reading,the podcasts that I listened to,
(34:20):
that type of thing, um, but youknow, it's the the been the
work that I've done with mymentor, romy, who, funny enough,
jade introduced me to, uh, romyWeiser, if you want to look her
up, she's been my spiritualguide and mentor for four years.
Her work has completely shiftedmy perspective.
As we've mentioned, the workwith psychedelics has been
(34:41):
transformative for me, as wellas just hearing about other
people's experiences, and themore time you spend in this
space, the more things start tojust be like, okay, this isn't a
coincidence anymore, and thethree of us are all kind of
listening to a podcast now thatreally combines spirituality and
(35:03):
science in a way that I thinkis really compelling and unique.
And I think for those of us whohave that really strong
skeptical background which weall do for different reasons,
it's so important to be able tosee enough evidence, right, and
that evidence can come throughactual studies.
It can come through enoughpeople reporting the same thing.
(35:24):
It can come, through our ownexperiences, to where we are
ultimately latching on and stillforming this thing that we're
believing.
Why is it important?
I'm not really sure, but Ithink it's about to what you
talk about a lot playing thishuman game and finding love and
(35:45):
compassion and becoming betterpeople and impacting each other
for the better.
And you know and even LaRosa wassaying we were at dinner last
night like going through thisjourney has helped you be more
kind and empathetic and justloving toward people who you
might've, you know, judged ornot understood before, which is,
you know, really, at the end ofthe day, what's, what's the
(36:06):
point in all of this?
Um, I feel like you'd asked mesomething about my company, but
I I forgot.
No, I think like you'd ask mesomething about my company, but
I forgot.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
No, I think, like from my perspective, this is
kind of where I wanted things togo, and I have one more line
that I want to ask you all butlike to me just to frame kind of
where we are.
When I listen to LaRosa speakand I listen to what you just
shared and I think about my ownexperience and I think about
what you, the listener, kind ofwant.
I think, like, what really isgoing on here is that for those
(36:34):
of you there'll be some of thesethings that I'm experiencing in
my life, seem these patternsthat are on repeat seem to just
(36:58):
be trying to get my attention,or when I listen in a particular
way, it seems to be driving meto a place, and what I'm hearing
from you, larosa, and you,nicole, and that I see within
myself, is that there's aparticular way to listen.
Nicole listened in a particularway.
It's different than the wayLaRosa was listening.
But if we hear LaRosa's storyabout you know, I'm on YouTube
and I'm doing this thing andthis thing was introduced to me,
(37:20):
but then it was introduced tome again and, for whatever
reason, I felt compelled to dothis, and then it, you know, for
whatever reason it brings medown this path.
And then I'm like, oh my gosh,this makes sense here.
This is kind of how this works.
Like I have a rule in my lifewhere I'm like if I, if three
different people tell me thesame people will speak through
numbers, or it might speakthrough a book, or it might
(37:43):
speak through a song, orparticular art or animals or
whatever it is.
The point is, there is alanguage here to be deciphered.
(38:05):
If you're willing to look at it, look at it.
And when it is, when you startto decipher it, it starts to
feel like you are in a club.
All of your own life takes onthis sort of magical quality,
and it's almost like I cannotbelieve this is actual reality.
And so I guess, to end for allof us to wrap up, I would really
(38:28):
just love for the listener tokind of get a sense of you know
how we each listen, and if youbuy into that, for example,
larosa, I would love to hearyour take on you know,
especially from someone thatcomes back from a very strong
religious background like, howwould you agree with me on that?
That there is a particular wayyou listen, and as you started
to listen.
Things have started.
(38:49):
Magic has started to open upfor you, because I think people
can really relate to someonelike you if they're from the
religious background where theygo.
Oh my gosh, he's perhapsspeaking to God in a way that I
hadn't thought you could speakto God or that I had never
talked about.
So I'm just wondering any tools, tips, tricks, wisdom that you
can give from your experiencethat, like, look, here's how I'm
(39:09):
using this and dipping my toesinto the water of whatever you
want to call it, sourceconsciousness, god communication
, universal alignment and anyinsights you have with that.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, I think for me, the best way to explain how I'm
listening is talk aboutsomething that I heard on
recently on a podcast with,where Thomas Campbell was being
interviewed and he talked about,really the what source is
trying to do is to lower theentropy and the way that we do
(39:42):
that.
For, without trying toovercomplicate, it is loving
more in this world.
Over complicated is loving morein this world, and with my
Christian background, we say Godis love.
That is like the highestexpression of who he is.
(40:02):
And then you look at everyother world religion.
It's all about living thegolden rule and forgiveness,
loving others no-transcript.
Is what I'm hearing causing meto love more?
Is it pushing me towards loving, forgiving others?
(40:23):
And if it's pushing me towardsthe opposite of that, then
that's when I start questioningwhether or not it's from the
source.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I love that I love that and I think of the same
thing.
I'll essentially say I live bya rule where I go which is very
similar to what you're saying,where I say you know the
universe, to me, if I lookaround in nature and I look at
source, I go.
What is it?
Well, it's inclusive,everything's included.
It has to be because it's here.
It's integrative, right.
So it takes all these differentthings and brings them together
(40:54):
to create bigger things out ofit, evolves in a sense Right.
And then it's holistic, meaningthat it makes harmony with all
these different things.
And so to me, that inclusive,integrative, holistic nature is
love.
And to your point, too, I goanything that violates
inclusivity, integration, holismand love is something that, if
(41:32):
it's divisive, if it'sdehumanizing, if it's
destructive to nature oranything that the universe
contains, I go.
That is not for me.
And what's really interestingis the more that I ever will be.
There'll never be another LaRosa.
There never has been, there'snever been a Nicole.
There never will be.
You, listeners, right, you arewholly unique.
There will never be another you.
And to me, I'm like when youget into this inclusivity, this
integration, this holisticnature, which to me defines love
(41:55):
, and what source really is,then you also own your own
unique nature, and as soon asyou do that, you're no longer
playing the game of culture,you're no longer trapped by the
noise and all of a sudden, evenyour social media feeds start to
show up in a way that learn andhelp you love and help you
teach, versus just noise andnonsense.
(42:16):
So I definitely second that, andI will say, with the social
media, for me, I don't see itreally the way that a lot of
people see it.
To me, it has been an extensionof this communication process.
I don't have a lot ofdestructive stuff that shows up
on my social media feeds.
It's not distracting so much.
It actually helps me learn, ithelps me teach, it helps me
(42:37):
create and love more, partly,though, because I've aligned
myself in a way that allows thatalgorithm to feed back to me,
and I do think the algorithm ofsocial media is analogous to
what we're trying to say here.
It basically is this idea thatyou get fed back what you pay
attention to in these socialmedia algorithms.
I think when you're dialoguingwith source consciousness, it's
(43:01):
the same thing.
As soon as you start to payattention to division,
dehumanization and all thesethings.
You get more of that back toyou as soon as you start
thinking about love andinclusivity and integration and
holism.
You get more of that fed backto you.
So I am seeing like sourceconsciousness is one big
algorithm, right, and so that'show I see it as well.
(43:22):
I'm curious how you see it,nicole.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Well, one thing I was going to say is because I think
this is important, thatoccurred to me, as maybe you
were speaking last is the factthat the three of us are sitting
here doing this together rightnow.
To me is like the perfectexample of following intuition.
To me is like the perfectexample of following intuition,
(43:46):
of being divinely led to certainmoments in your life, right.
So you know, jade and I haveknown each other for many years
now.
We met in, I would say, apretty unlikely way, which you
can share or not.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Tinder for all of you .
Shout out to Tinder.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
But you know, and we've had a complicated
connection, you know it's notbeen directed.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
It hasn't been super easy along the way.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Yeah, but it's.
But it's been wonderful and welove and respect and appreciate
each other and even like with LaRosa.
You know, you came into mybusiness as a client at a time
where, I mean, I, I was gettingso many clients.
It was like just insane.
So you were a client at a timewhere I mean, I was getting so
many clients, it was just insane.
So you were a client in a biggroup of people but there was
just something that stood outabout you and I didn't know what
(44:30):
it was.
For a long time I was like thisguy just gets it, he hears
everything I say and he canrepeat it back and you showed up
and I loved how you showed up,but there was just always
something more there.
And then eventually, larosacame and worked for me and
helped our clients with theirtech and got his clients and all
of this stuff.
(44:51):
And I didn't even know until Idon't know this year that you
were having all of this openingaround your faith and your
spirituality, until you reallystarted sharing, that you were
so open to receiving things Iwanted to share with you and you
, like, consumed it so fast.
And you know, then, um, I, youknow, referred you to Jade and
like it's just, it's so.
(45:12):
There are just so many thingsthat had to happen along the way
and these like sparks ofconnection and just being led
and, yeah, just to make certaindecisions and have certain
conversations, that all.
I think that's how we all endup where we are at any moment in
life.
Right, it's just a series ofchoices and events, but there
are certain moments where youfind yourself and you're like,
(45:33):
okay, this was um, this wasguided to to be here.
I think so, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
And, as we wrap it up , I would just finally say this
if you're listening to this andyou're feeling intrigued from my
perspective, there is a thereis for lack of a better term,
let's just call it technology inquotes a way of thinking, a way
of being, a philosophy ofengaging that allows you to be
guided, and, of course, this iswhat I want to be talking much,
(46:01):
much more about, which is why Iwanted to do this podcast, and
it was, you know, again,serendipitous, like, literally,
you know, synchronistic event tohave the three of us all
talking about this as I wastalking about Next Level Human
and my business, and La Rosa andNicole all helping me sort of
hone in on the messaging.
This is the perfect culminationof that, and there is a whole
(46:22):
technology that, for those ofyou who want to engage in this
work, believe it or not, it'snot so amorphous and intangible.
There are actually real,tangible tools and techniques
that we can use that guide, thatdo guide us right, and so we
can.
You can be taught how to tap in, how to listen, how to know the
(46:45):
difference between intuitionand instinct and intellect that
gets you sort of confused, howto know the difference between
what is bubbling up from theunconscious as old wounds, and
what is actually the North Starof spirituality, how
consciousness speaks to you, howto listen, how to engage.
There is a whole set of toolsand techniques here that Next
(47:06):
Level Human teaches.
So if you're interested in this, there's much, much more to
come.
So I want to just say thank you, larosa, for hanging out and
sharing, and Nicole really justlove it, and thank you for you,
the listener, for hanging outand, I know, putting up with me
for not putting up a podcast ina while, but hopefully this one
(47:26):
was useful for you, so we'll seeyou at the next show.
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