April 4, 2025 • 55 mins
In this episode of the Next Level Human podcast, Dr. Jade Teta discusses the importance of female hormone health with Rachel Bowers and Tabitha Simmons, founders of Halcyon Health. They explore the challenges women face in healthcare, the historical neglect of female health in research, and the significance of individualized hormone therapy. The conversation emphasizes the need for women to advocate for their health and the role of lifestyle in optimizing hormone function. The episode highlights the innovative approach of Halcyon Health in providing a supportive environment for women to discuss their health concerns and receive personalized care. In this conversation, Rachel Bowers and Tabitha Simmons discuss their journey in the health and wellness space, focusing on hormone health and the importance of purpose in personal and professional life. They emphasize the unique challenges women face in accessing hormone treatments and the need for a more personalized approach to health. The discussion also highlights the transformative power of finding one's purpose and the importance of mindset in health journeys, encouraging listeners to embrace their struggles as part of their growth.
Contact Halcyon Health:
Website: https://www.halcyonoptimized.com
IG: @halcyon.health @optimizedbyrachel @iamtabithasimmons
Chapters:
00:00:00 Introducing Rachel & Tabitha's Hormone Journey
00:04:27 The Gender Gap in Hormone Healthcare
00:09:32 Bad Science & Hormone Misconceptions
00:14:57 Beyond Symptoms: Optimizing Female Health
00:22:03 Creating Halcyon Health & Finding Purpose
00:35:42 Embracing the Evolution of Health
00:49:57 Final Advice & Where to Find Them
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's going on everybody?
Welcome to the show.
This is the Next Level HumanPodcast.
I'm your host, dr Jay Tita, andI am here with two of my very
good and close friends, rachelBowers and Tabitha Simmons, two
individuals who I have gotten toknow over the last couple years
.
We actually did a retreattogether several years back now
(00:21):
and fell in love with both ofthem, and they have begun to do
something that I really wantedto make sure I highlighted on
this particular podcast.
So Tabitha and Rachel havestarted a clinic called Halcyon
Health and, more important thanthat, they have begun to become
a voice in the hormone space and, in particular, the female
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hormone space.
And so many of you know thatthis was my work for a very long
time and I stopped doing thiswork probably around five to
seven years ago, mostly becausetwo things really a lot of
amazing female practitionerscame into the space when that
really didn't exist on a highlevel prior to that.
In my opinion, and as I wastelling Tabitha and Rachel right
(01:07):
before we hit record, I justhave, you know, this sort of
weird thing.
I guess some people might saythat I don't think men are best
served to be the ones doing thiswork because they don't
actually have the realexperience, real experience.
And so what I have wanted to dofor quite some time is to
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really get more women in thisconversation and hand off that
expertise that many of you knowme from to people who I think
are better qualified than myself.
And let me kind of set this uptoo, because Rachel and Tabitha
are sisters, they're very goodfriends of mine and they come at
this from a slightly differentperspective.
Tabitha and I kind of share thephilosophy aspect of this and
(01:49):
show so she can reallyarticulate well, sort of the
philosophical aspects of this.
But Rachel and I really sharethe science based aspects of
this and can sort of dialogue onthat.
Of course, all of us are wellversed in this area, but I think
this really should get usstarted, rachel and Tab, because
from my perspective there aretwo aspects to this thing, right
(02:13):
.
First of all, there's thecultural, psychology, philosophy
, mindset, sort of where we havearrived in terms of health care
and specifically female health,and then there's sort of the
cutting edge science aspect, andso, if you don't mind, what I
want to do maybe is start withyou, tabitha, and talk a little
(02:36):
bit about why you two decided todo this and I especially think
it's cool that two sisters aredoing this but what was the sort
of the dream, the kind of thingthat spurred you to go?
You know what?
This is something we have to do, because I know you have some
entrepreneurial background inanother space, in the
hospitality industry, and nowyou're moving into this realm,
(02:57):
and so tell us why you thoughtthis was so important.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So for me I mean I'm 48, so I've been a patient of
Rachel's for eight years andreally what started my, or what
sparked, I should say, mypassion for this is my
experience with Rachel as apatient and as I started to
understand more about my ownphysiology and how my body was
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working and changing as I wasaging and how hormones impacted
that, alongside my experiencewith other doctors you know,
whether it be an internist or acardiologist or whatever it was
in relation to my experiencewith Rachel, and then started to
hear my peers talk about sortof you know what, how their
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experience of health and howthat was changing as they aged.
And I started to notice sort ofa trend and it's interesting
the way you set it up.
One thing I observed is thatyou know we are told as women so
often that our experience ofmiddle age is just part of life,
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right, and that it is part ofjust getting older, part of
being a mom, like part of, likethe stress, the mood changes,
the changes in our bodies, likethe lack of energy, the changes
in our body composition all ofthose things are just, you know,
part of being female.
Contrast that with the malespace where there's just a lot
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of hyper focus on how tooptimize, right, one's health in
the male world, right?
And how to be the best versionof yourself and bigger muscles.
I mean, there's billboards allover the place talking about
testosterone in men and how tomake things better.
Sex drive that's a big one,right.
To make things better Sex drivethat's a big one, right.
(04:47):
Wouldn't it be nice if you hada great sex drive as a man and
your partner shared that sexdrive, right?
And I just started to observethat, even like you said, women
practitioners are also sort ofbrainwashed in a way to believe
that that is not something thatwarrants focus.
And, as you noted, it isscientific, right.
(05:11):
There are ways to understand,from a scientific perspective,
the way our bodies change andthe things that are happening.
And Rachel started to do thatand she started to ask the
questions and she started to sayyou know, why aren't we doing
this for women?
Why?
Why am I seeing this trend andwe're not managing it this way?
And you know, we started totalk about it and I just I felt
(05:34):
like something had to be done.
They're just we couldn't, um,we just don't deserve, you know
to, to live the next 40, 50years of our life, less than
less than our best.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, it is a really interesting sort of dynamic that
we have where it's like, okay,optimize male function, and you
know, uh, just uh, solve, youknow, sort of symptoms, uh, for
the female population for sure,and yeah, and, and you know, and
part of that and this is whereyou know I want to kind of get
you in, rachel, you know, partof that is, I think, uh, many of
(06:12):
my people who listen to thispodcast know this, but let's
just talk about this briefly.
Like one of the things, when Ifirst started doing research in
this area and this would havebeen in the late nineties, early
2000s, as I was finishing upmedical school I couldn't find
anything, virtually anything, inthe research on female health.
And I remember talking to oneof my professors at the time who
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was doing research primarily onmen at University of Washington
in the exercise sciencedepartment there, and I remember
asking you know what's up withthis lack of research?
And you know what he said to mehe's like well, you can't, you
really can't control for themenstrual cycle.
The menstrual cycle throws allof this off, and so we basically
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just do the research on men.
And I remember thinking tomyself we basically just do the
research on men, and I rememberthinking to myself okay, so
basically we're throwing outhalf of the population simply
because the hormonal situationis a little more complicated,
and it just made me my mind, Iremember, at that time, just
went exploded, because I wasworking with primarily women as
a personal trainer while I wasin medical school and it was at
(07:23):
that moment I realizedeverything that I thought I knew
about endocrine physiology andfitness.
I kind of needed to start overbecause it wasn't being studied
Now.
Now we're in a very differentplace, but also I think you know
, and I want to hear what youhave to say on this, rachel,
also, I still think, despite thefact that there's a lot of
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chatter about this, all of asudden I still feel like we're
relatively in maybe not the darkages, but we're still in the
middle ages of, you know, femalehealthcare, in terms of what
Tabitha was talking about, interms of optimizing hormone
function, and so I want to justget a sense as a, as a fellow
practitioner what are yourthoughts on this?
(08:06):
Do you you know, and what isyour approach and what do you
think is being missed by mostpractitioners out there even
still?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
It wasn't mandated by the NIH until 1994 that women
had to be included in researchstudies.
So prior to that they could dothem and they could include
women, but they didn't.
They didn't have to.
So they could do them and theycould include women, but they
didn't have to.
So they could do all of theseresearch and it was all on men,
like you pointed out.
And then it came, shortly afterthat, the Women's Health
Initiative, and that was a hugestudy of tens of thousands of
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women that basically told I meanit was multifactorial.
One of the pieces of the Women'sHealth Initiative was studying
hormones in women aged like 68to 75-ish range, and they
studied two synthetic hormonesand they found that they were.
They caused.
The ultimate result was thatthey caused, that they caused
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harm, so cancer, blood clot,stroke, heart attack, and so
that was the message and thatwas the message from like
basically, 2000 until prettymuch, I want to say, in the last
two years.
The message has been thathormones are bad and women just
need to suck it up and deal withit.
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And if you want to try hormones, you're going to be hard
pressed to find a practitionerthat's going to know about them
and think that they're safeenough to prescribe.
So we're battling thisscience-based claim that
hormones are bad for us, whenyou know if you're thinking from
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just like a pure logicalstandpoint our body makes
estrogen and progesterone.
Why would giving estrogen andprogesterone causes harm?
But that's what the message is.
And so then we're battling,from a practitioner standpoint,
this well, very well seededbelief from the population that
hormones are scary and bad andthey're going to give me cancer,
from the population thathormones are scary and bad and
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they're going to give me cancer.
And then you are also battlingthe general medical population
being trained in medical schoolsthat hormones cause cancer,
blood clot, stroke and all ofthose things.
And so it's.
It's a huge roadblock to cancer, to trying to reach people, not
just from a medical standpoint,but still if, if they are in
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the uh, traditional allopathicmd space.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I still find that unless they are endocrinologists
and even this is slow moving alittle bit they still are
reluctant uh to deal with uhhormones.
And at the same time, I havenever seen in my clinical
practice a woman not completelyget better on all levels with
hormone replacement therapy.
(11:11):
And, by the way, this is evenbefore we were mostly doing
natural hormone replacementtherapy.
Even with the equine estrogensand some of the progestins I
would see women improve prettydramatically in my clinic.
Now, since you know, we havegone almost entirely to natural
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hormone replacement therapy.
But and to your point, theWomen's Health Initiative study
and this is really hard but andI know people get frustrated
with science but after decadesof looking at this research, the
messaging there was also wrong.
So now we know that these riskswere essentially nonexistent,
(11:52):
with very little downside inthese women, and so I think this
is a big piece of what hashappened.
Now, of course, for those ofyou listening, we've now moved
on a great deal.
Right, it's been 20 plus yearsnow where we now have really
good data, we have really goodpractitioners, we have really
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good protocols and proceduresand we are seeing phenomenal
strides, I think, finally infemale healthcare.
And what I want to know, rachel, from you all is what is it
that you feel like you are doingthat most other practitioners
aren't?
What is it that you feel likewe still need work with or we
(12:37):
still need help with, or isstill a big misconception in
this area that you're addressingat Halcyon Health?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Well, one of the big ones with women is that
menopause, perimenopause, equalshot flashes, fatigue and night
sweats, and that's basicallywhat it is and that if we can
just fix those symptoms, we'redoing a good job.
And I will argue, we want tofix those symptoms.
We don't want to have patientsbe fatigued and experiencing hot
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flashes and night sweats, butthat's just the tip of the
iceberg what we can do withhormone replacement.
If you really know the sciencebehind how hormones work in the
body, they are essential topretty much every single
function on a cellular level inour body, from brain to bones,
to skin, to eyes in our body,from brain to bones, to skin, to
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eyes.
You know, you name it and if weso, yes, I want to help you
feel better and look better andnot experience these superficial
symptoms, but deep down, Ireally want to improve your
overall physiology andbiological health.
So you know another I thinkbuzzword out there is like your
biological age.
So you know another, I thinkbuzzword out there is like your
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biological age.
And.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I think that's one way that we can improve your
biological age is by optimizingthe hormones, not just
superficially to get rid of thesymptoms, but also to improve
underlying physiology.
And I think one thing too, toadd to that, because it's easier
for me to brag about her thanit is for her to brag about
herself, but I think, and ingeneral, what is necessary in
the world is that you know twothings.
One, rachel is willing to takethe time to educate her patients
.
So not only does she understandthe physiology, not only does
she understand how hormonesimpact us at a cellular level,
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but she's willing to communicatethat to her patients and break
it down for them in a way that'seasy for them to digest and
understand.
And that's important for for alot of reasons.
But one reason that I see isthat the only way we change this
is by learning how to advocatefor ourselves as patients, not
accepting you know, this is justhow it is but asking our, our
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practitioners, what?
What does it mean to me rightwhen you, when you have
diagnosed me with something, orwhen you have prescribed me
something, what does that mean?
How does that work in my body?
How you know what I'm saying weneed to, we need to understand
it and we need to advocate forourselves.
I think with these professionsI'm a lawyer, I get it.
Lawyers, doctors, you know thescience, the MDs, the ISTs, the
(15:12):
biologists, whatever it is weput them on a pedestal and we
look to them to have all theanswers, and that's unfair right
.
We need to understand ourbodies, we need to do our own
research, we need to develop ourown awareness and then we need
to fight for ourselves in thisspace.
And Rachel is a practitionerwhere, if you show up knowing
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and asking questions, you willbe heard and she will have the
conversation with you and shewill collaborate with you in
coming up with a plan that worksbest for you.
And I think that's the bestrecipe and coming up with a plan
that works best for you and Ithink that's the best recipe.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, I agree a hundred percent.
I think it really comes down toindividualized medicine, and
that is a topic that you know.
Lots of people will say thatindividualized, you know we do
individualized medicine, butit's still, you know, a
protocol-based, recipe-basedapproach that's not necessarily
taken to account the individualand here's the way I break this
down to, or I typically break itdown to, the listeners.
(16:07):
I mean, yes, I spent my wholecareer understanding the
differences between male andfemale endocrinology.
So it is important and we cancertainly, on one level, as we
get to the individualizedapproach, we certainly can say
okay, there's men and there'swomen.
Obviously, women have two majorsex steroids.
Men have one female hormonecycle throughout the month.
(16:30):
Females have five differenthormonal stages, four or five,
depending on whether they gothrough pregnancy in their life.
Men have two, so there's somebig differences here.
But then what I really love whatyou said, dan Tapley, because
to me I go OK, that's just thestart.
Now, of course, a lot ofpractitioners aren't even
looking at it from thatperspective.
They're still just going OK,you know, just cookbook here's,
(16:52):
here's hormone replacementtherapy for men or for women,
but the magic really starts tohappen when you're like, ok, you
know, let's take a look at thisparticular woman and how she is
faring and what is going onwith her libido and what is
going on with her mood and whatis going on with her hunger and
her energy and her cravings, andhow is her mental and emotional
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state through these transitions.
And to me that's where I thinksort of the magic happens.
And so I know that you, this iswhat essentially you all are
doing in your center, but Idon't know if you, this is what
essentially you all are doing inyour center.
But I don't know if you want tosay any more about that, rachel
, in terms of your, yourapproach to this, if you agree
with it or you feel like I'mmissing something there.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
No, absolutely.
I think that that's definitelyone of the things that I've
struggled with in traditionalmedicine, cause, as you know,
I've been in traditionalmedicine space for 20 years and
then doing the hormone stuffkind of on the side for the last
eight to nine years, and, um,that's what I've struggled with.
I don't have the time toindividualize your plan as much
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Like I do my best in the like 10to 15 minutes that I have, but
it's very difficult to explainto a patient what a medication
is, why you need it and how touse it, and then why it's
important to be consistent fromnow until the next appointment
in 10 minutes, plus addresswhatever concerns they have.
And so I think that with withthis kind of space, we're able
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to expand the time that we'respending with patients and then
really talk to them about whattheir goal is in terms of their
health, because every singleperson is different, and then
from there, I can explain howhormones may impact them in
terms of their specific goalsand educate them as to why these
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are important.
And what I see is that patientsare far more likely to comply
and continue the therapy whenthey understand why we're doing
it, versus just telling themlike okay, this is the plan, you
take these medications and comeand see me in two months.
They're less likely to reallycomply with that and especially
if they have any kind of sideeffects, then they're far less
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likely to comply.
So yeah, I think um superimportant.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah.
And so tell me, what are youall, what kind of uh people are
you actually seeing at yourclinic?
So I know, so those of you inthe Vegas area right, I don't
know where exactly you all are,but I know they're in the Las
Vegas area, halcyon Health youdefinitely are going to want to
check it out, but so who'sshowing up?
And, by the way, I've seen theimages of this space.
It's just absolutely beautifulwhat you all are doing here.
(19:35):
So tell me about your let's gothrough sort of the experience
at your center and sort of who'sshowing up there.
I'm so interested to know howit's going.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Well one.
It is interesting.
One of the things that wedidn't mention is that Rachel's
approach isn't just the medicalside, it's also the lifestyle
right, and so we both haveincorporated lifestyle changes
to improve our health and ourhealth, you know, our longevity
right, and that, combined withhormone management, is like the
special sauce.
And so what we wanted to do atHalcyon is have a very
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comfortable, inviting, warmspace where you could have these
conversations with yourpractitioner, like you said, the
individualized, oftenvulnerable conversations about
how you feel, how you want tofeel, how you want to live, and
then have these other sort oftreatment modalities, if you
will, that support that.
(20:35):
So contrast therapy we have adry heat sauna, 190 degree dry
heat sauna.
We have a cold plunge.
We have IV therapy, we have NADshots, b12 shots, in a
beautiful, comfortable space.
Rachel can speak to her, to herwho's who's showing up, but
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generally it's people that youknow look like me, who are my
age, that look like both of uswomen in their, in their forties
.
But I will say, though, what'sbeen interesting about this is
that we live in a toxic world,you know, and we are living high
intensity lives, and that ischanging the way our bodies
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react to aging and we, rachel,has patients that are in their
30s.
Certainly, hormone imbalancesare not just for 40 something
year old women or old people,they're just not, and so it's
been very fascinating to me tosee the different types of
people that come into the spaceand that follow Rachel.
Yeah, it's been pretty.
(21:40):
It's been pretty powerful.
I love it because I'm, like youknow, been pretty powerful.
I love it because I'm, like youknow, really anxious and
excited to see all my peersreally starting to understand
and advocate for themselves andthen get the benefits of it.
It's really phenomenal.
Once you are with someone whois your partner and who can
collaborate with you on yourhealth, it really is like you
said, it's magic.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, you want to know something else I'll say
about you two, is that?
So you know, I'm trying tothink it's what?
Is it Four years now since weboth first met and I swear the
two of you look like you de-aged?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
in the last few years .
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Like you both.
Like you both look absolutelyphenomenal, right.
So it's like really interestingto see, it's really fun to see
like, okay, these are two peoplewho basically opened up a
center, uh, and they live thislifestyle and like it really is
like from, you know, from weightloss to skin tone, to the way
you're glowing, like you, youboth look absolutely phenomenal.
(22:37):
And it reminded me when I wasseeing um, you know all the
stuff that you were putting outwith halcyon.
It reminds me, you know thiswhole third space sort of thing
where people are like it.
It used to be the coffee shopright, then it used to be the
gym and what I thought when Isaw your space I was like, oh my
God, this is so interestingthat this sort of clinic space
that most people wouldn'tnecessarily see, it's like I
want to go hang out there as mythird space.
(22:59):
You know what I mean.
I want to go, I want to go hangout at the clinic for half the
day.
So it has this sort of, youknow, day spa sort of feel.
But there's also sort of this,you know, really high touch,
advanced, you know, naturalmedicine lifestyle component
that you all are bringing.
So, yeah, I really you knowjust kind of love, and how many
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people, rachel, by the way aredoing HRT and you know how, how
many?
How many people are there justfor their general health, or is
it you know specific to almosteverybody's?
On a hormone replacementtherapy?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
No, it, um, it's.
I would say the majority ishormone replacement, but I have
I was just going to say when youwere Tab was talking about, you
know the 30 somethings.
I have mothers calling me upand asking me to evaluate their
daughters who are like earlytwenties, because they're
struggling with periodirregularities and fatigue and
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weight gain and all theirgynecologist wants to do is put
them on birth control and theywant an alternative.
And so I may not.
Obviously at 20, they likelydon't need estrogen and things
like that.
But there are other things thatwe can do to help them, to
optimize their health at 20, tohelp improve their cycle and the
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way they feel during theircycle and all of that.
So it is a very variedpopulation and although we do
both men and women, I would sayit's predominantly women that
have come in and have sought usout.
I think because men you knowthere's so many of these, you
know testosterone clinics allaround, so they have so many
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options, whereas women don't.
I mean they're gynecologists.
Most of them will just flat outsay I don't check hormones and
if you want those you're goingto have to find somebody else,
um and so, and then if they dooffer it, it's like we were
talking about it's very cookiecutter, formulaic type of
medicine and patients are justlike I don't really feel a big
(24:59):
difference or I'm just notfeeling my best with this, this
plan.
So, yeah, it's a very, verywide range of people that I'm
seeing.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And we're new Jade, so we, we really just opened.
I mean, we've been open liketwo months, so, yeah, so,
getting people to, to see thespace and to understand, to make
it their third space is iswhere it's a work in progress.
Their third space is where it'sa work in progress.
I have to say, though, okay,that we went to your next level
(25:30):
human retreat in 2021, and itabsolutely transformed us, and
we had been talking about theclinic, you know, right up until
then and during that time, butit wasn't a real thing.
And then things you said thatobviously, the experience of
just sort of cracking us openand giving us more courage and
(25:51):
confidence to approach this typeof endeavor was definitely
happened there.
And then you talked about yousaid the thing that you said in
the beginning of this aboutwomen and science and not being
considered, and you talked aboutestrogen and progesterone being
sisters, and you exposed us tosauna house, and we had the most
(26:12):
profound winter walking downthe street in the snow with like
wet hair after a two hourinvigorating sauna experience.
So, basically, you're ourpartner in this thing
invigorating sauna experience.
So basically, you're ourpartner in this thing.
Jade jade is really a foundingmember of halcyon health.
Um, but seriously, if it wasn'tfor you?
(26:33):
Honestly, you really are a bigpart of what inspired us to to
be here and to get here, and Ireally mean that from the bottom
of my heart.
It was.
There's so much of what wecreated in this space was
inspired by you and ourexperience with you, so that's
the truth.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, I love that experience with you two so much.
Right, it's like that was thefirst time that I did a live
event for Next Level Human and Imade I feel like just a
lifelong you know family there.
So the feeling is mutual andyou and bringing that up.
Here's what I really want toget into, because this is really
what I know you two are verymuch into and I think we'd be
(27:14):
remiss if we didn't cover this.
One of the interesting things Ithink about as we age, men and
women, is that this thing aboutour purpose and taking our
struggles and our pain andturning it into purpose and
creating something that grows usbut also enriches others and
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sort of evolves our little partof the planet.
And to me, this is what I getperhaps excited about the most,
about what you, you two, aredoing.
It's almost as if you're likeyou know, think about this from
the perspective of you know um,two sisters.
You know they, they, you, youknow you all don't know them.
(27:56):
I do a little bit, but wentthrough a really tough time lost
their dad, all the things youknow, going through this
particular you know um, thisparticular age and you know not
having a whole lot of answersand then, you know, kind of
coming together and buildingsomething that really solves the
same problems they werestruggling with for other humans
(28:19):
.
I really think that that's whywe're on the planet in the first
place, and I kind of wanted tojust get your both of your sense
about this that I tend to thinkNow, of course, it is where I
focus my attention, so I am alittle bit more biased, but I
tend to think this is whatpeople are missing Now, of
course, when they don't feeloptimized.
(28:40):
You know, we all know what it'slike when your energy is low and
you have all this extra weighton you and you feel inflamed and
you feel all that it's hard tofocus on.
Like, what do I want to do toget to give back?
So, from my perspective, though, what's really interesting
about watching you two is thatyou were helping people meet
that level so that they canelevate as humans, and to me
(29:05):
that's why we're on the planet.
But I do want to just brieflyask you about, you know, sort of
that mindset and what's drivingyou and what you think is
really missing in the clientswho come to you.
Just simply, you know, besideshormone replacement and all
those things like what are youactually seeing?
Are you seeing it the same waythat I'm seeing it?
(29:26):
And how's it, how's it feel forthe both of you as you sort of
embark on this sort of it's kindof a higher journey?
It's definitely not just abouthormone replacement therapies
and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Well.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I well, I think you're right on.
I think Rachel's going to tellyou about her experience with
her patients.
Oh sorry, I think we're talkingover each other because of the
delay.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
No, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Go ahead.
No, that's all right, Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Rach yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Okay.
So what I was going to say interms of purpose for me, you
know.
As you know, jade, buildingyour own business is very
difficult and if you're notbusiness minded, it's even more
difficult, very challenging forme to get through some of the
things that we've had to do overthe last few years just to open
, and then what we have tocontinue to do to promote
(30:20):
ourselves.
It's just not in my wheelhouseright.
So there have been lots oftimes where I've had a lot of
doubt like am I doing the rightthing?
Is this good for me?
But when I really sit down andthink about it, this is how I
impact people and that'sultimately what fuels me and
gets me going through the day,like those patients who come in
(30:42):
who I haven't seen in a year,who are like oh my gosh, rachel,
I've sent so many people to youyou you were the first person
that listened to me and reallygave me an understanding of what
was going on and took the timeto help me feel better.
Um, that that is the kind of umresponse that I get more often
(31:02):
than not for my patients andwhen I think about not doing it
in this space and giving themthe time that they deserve.
Um, it's, it's saddening, youknow it's.
It's it's soul crushing anddisheartening to think about
going backwards to that.
So, even though doing somethinglike this is so incredibly
difficult for me, the purposethat it is fulfilling for me is
(31:23):
so much greater than anyhardship I will have to build
the business.
So I just have to keepreminding myself that that's the
ultimate purpose of this is tohelp people and get them to feel
seen and heard in thisparticular space and her in, you
(31:43):
know, in this particular space.
And then, when it comes to mypatients individually, in terms
of their purpose, I feel likesometimes they come in thinking
I'm just going to prescribe thema medication and I'll say well,
what's your morning look like?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You know what do you do you know?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
do you look at your phone immediately when you wake
up?
Do you do you go?
I talk a lot about like wakingup, taking 15 minutes to have a
glass of water, go outside andput your face in the sunshine.
That is a huge like biohack forimproving the way your body
functions physiologically andpsychologically for the day.
(32:18):
Psychologically for the day,and those kinds of things are
what help us to then focus onour purpose, because we then
have the little boost of energyfrom that tiny little commitment
to ourselves for the first 15minutes of the day.
So I talk about all of thosekinds of things with the patient
in addition to what we could doand what we can prescribe.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, I love that so much.
Let me just say something beforeI get your your thoughts on
that, tabitha.
I I love what you're saying,rachel, because what I can say,
I think, without a shadow of adoubt, when I was doing more
protocol based stuff take thissupplement, even take this drug
or, you know, take thisparticular hormone and I was not
dealing with basic physiology,basic connection to nature,
(33:04):
sunshine, clean water, basicnutrition and how we're relating
to our fellow humans what wouldhappen is I can only get people
so far, and so I think that'swhat makes an extraordinary
practitioner from my point ofview, and I just don't see still
(33:26):
practitioners like that, andthat's what I think is so
amazing about the approach,rachel, and people like you and
me and Tabitha.
I think we still have tocontinue to talk about this idea
that you get charged upnaturally from these natural
things, that you're doing verysimple things, and then also,
what keeps you charged up isbringing this to your purposeful
(33:50):
life, and I do think thatpeople are disconnected from
this.
They tend to see like I'll goto halcyon to get you know this
and then I'm not going to worryabout anything else, when it's
really like no, you come toHalcyon, to really learn how to
live in alignment once againwith nature, get optimized with
your hormones so that you canthen go out into the world and
(34:13):
be your best self, and I'm notsure all practitioners are
putting it together that way,but to me that's when people
start going okay.
Life is really, really amazingand good, and so I just love
hearing you know sort of thatapproach.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, it's like on that, the path to actualization
if your basic needs aren't met,you can't take the next step.
And this is like your basicneeds, you know connecting with
nature, committing to yourself,getting your hormones balanced
this is like the basic thing.
And then after that it allfeels so much more like gravy.
And I will say that I that youknow when we talk about purpose,
(34:55):
there's a lot of talk about itnow and there, always there has
been but there's a lot of talktalk about it, particularly in
in in this space and those thatfollow you, and I think it's
really intimidating becausepurpose feels like something so
extraordinary, um, and so it'sreally hard to to imagine doing
(35:15):
something like Gandhi orwhatever you know, like Martin
Luther.
It's like I'm not that guy.
And I think that what I havediscovered in this path,
starting with the experience wehad with you, Jade, was that
that purpose isn't extraordinary, it's just being true to
yourself, and that the more youcome back to that and the more
(35:37):
that you are true to yourselfand pick your pain because it is
incredibly painful and hard toexperience lack of alignment
Right, it's really hard and it'sreally hard to do things every
day that make you miserable, andit's also hard to choose
yourself.
It's hard to be truthful toyourself and it's hard to choose
(35:59):
, choose authenticity.
But I can tell you what you'reyou're much more likely, or
maybe the only way you're likely, to find your purpose and to
live an ordinary but trulyextraordinary life is through
that, that coming back toyourself.
So you get your basic needs met, you come to Rachel, you
(36:20):
advocate for yourself, youconnect with nature and then you
embark on that path of findingtruth and you will find your
purpose.
It will just happen.
It is not something that isreally remarkable, it's just,
it's very natural.
That's what we're meant to do ashumans, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, we really are, and it's so well, so well said,
tabitha.
You're so brilliant in this way.
I also want to say that me,knowing tabitha, you know talk
about alignment and steppinginto.
You know your fear and steppinginto like all the things that
you need to do to clear yourlife, to get better.
(36:58):
I mean you're like the perfectexample of this.
Like I'm thinking about all thethings you've been through
since you and I first met andit's like a lot of disruption,
but like, look at where you're,you are and and I and the reason
I kind of bring this up isbecause I do think, yes, it can
seem uh daunting to kind of belike, all right, I need to, I
(37:26):
need to, you know, understand mypurpose, but really all it is
is your purpose is kind oftalking to you all the time, and
it's not necessarily being inauthentic alignment to a past
self.
That's the hard part.
It's being in authenticalignment to the future, you and
so when Rachel and Tabitha hadsort of this dream, you know
they started to and I actually Iwant to just walk through how I
see this and I want you both tocorrect me with this, because I
think this is such a coolhero's journey.
(37:46):
In a sense, there's this thingthat happens when you come
together and you go what is ourhistory?
What is the past history?
What is what is our historygiven us the skills to do?
And in this case you both havecomplimentary skills and then
it's basically looking out intothe future and saying what have
I been prepared, what has lifebeen preparing me to do, and am
(38:10):
I brave enough to step into thatauthentic alignment and shed
the old skin?
And the hard part is shed allthe old people and places and
stories that are attached tothat old skin.
That's where we get afraid, Ithink, and you two have just
(38:30):
crushed that, and I know howdifficult it is and continues to
be, because that's the processright for all of us.
So I love that you're kind ofsaying pick your struggle,
because you're going to strugglein either way, but the most
painful struggle is being out ofalignment to that authentic
next level human self.
So I just think it's so wellsaid.
(38:52):
And what I want to do as wekind of wrap up, if you all
don't mind, I do want to give um, just some take-homes like some
, just some general things thatthe listeners can kind of do
from two women who haveessentially you know, from my
perspective, over the last fouryears I mean talk about
optimized.
You both have done something soincredible in terms of the way
(39:13):
that you are functioning, theway you look, the way you must
feel on the inside and whatyou're creating in the world us
feel on the inside and whatyou're creating in the world.
And so I just want to give youa chance to you know, give the
advice or, you know, tell alittle bit more about your story
or where people should start onthis journey, if they are.
You know a woman who is intheir late thirties, early
(39:34):
forties, you know fifties, up tosixties, and they're feeling
like this is broken.
I got nobody to sort of lean on.
I mean, I think you've, you'vefound your sort of two.
You know mentors right here.
So I'm wondering what, what youwant to say to that, if
anything like any to do's, togive or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Well, I think, um, when it comes to your health, I
think don't accept if you don'tfeel like your best, if you
don't feel like you did at somepoint in the past, or just like
you should, and you don't havethe energy to do the things that
you love, or if you don't feelyour best psychologically, don't
(40:19):
accept that there isn't asolution.
Don't accept that.
I think that's the first thing.
There is a lot of resources outthere and you can find a
practitioner that will listen toyou and help you embark on that
journey of hormone health.
I think that's the first thing.
Thing, really, that I want tosay, for me personally, is kind
(40:41):
of what I said for thoselistening that it isn't that try
not to get overwhelmed ordiscouraged by this this thought
of of becoming or finding yourpurpose or living your purpose
that it really is a simple path.
There's a ton of different waysthat that people can do it and
there's a ton of differentresources out there for
beginning that journey.
(41:05):
But it's not about being OprahWinfrey or Martin Luther King Jr
All those people are fantasticand have had amazing impact on
our world but you can, too, justby being you, and I think that
it is not something that shouldbe daunting, it's something that
should be exciting.
So that's my little two centsRach.
Do you have anything to add tothat?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah, I would just say that, when it comes to your
journey to your purpose and aswell as your hormone journey or
health optimization journey,it's not a race and you can take
as long or as or as fast as youwant to go to, to get to to
(41:50):
health optimization and what,and it's not necessarily a
journey, it is a, it is aconstant evolution and that
evolution is not linear.
And so you, you have made, youmay make huge strides at some
points and then you may be, youknow, a snail's pace at other,
at others.
So, um, just keeping in mindthat you know, whatever
(42:13):
timeframe you are taking inorder to achieve your best self
is the right one.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
So yeah, actually I want to say something about that
Super powerful Rachel, for thisis kind of relatively new
science and not a lot of peopleare talking about it.
But what Rachel just pointedout to all of you is the number
one reason, basically inneuroscience, why people fail to
make change.
Because what they do is theycreate and set up this success,
(42:42):
failure, you know, sort ofconundrum, and it triggers an
area of the brain called thehabenula which shuts down
willpower.
And so when you have apractitioner who basically is
telling you, enjoy the process,you arrive, when arrival is no
longer the goal, what thatessentially is doing is it's
keeping this habenula hijackfrom happening, whereas the rest
(43:05):
of the world is saying, oh, youhave to do it this way and this
doesn't look good, so youfailed again.
And anytime you even perceivefailure, you shut down your
willpower.
So many of you listening to thisright now are at this place
where you're like nothing'sgoing to work for me because
your habanula has been hijackedso many times.
And so what you're saying there, from my perspective, rachel,
(43:27):
is perhaps the most powerfulthing and powerful message that
we can get in medicine andself-development right now, that
we need to realize that thisapproach is it's just always be
learning.
It's not a success, failure.
You start where you are and youbegin the process and you're
always in process and thatmindset of always be learning is
(43:49):
, I think, one of the mosthealing things that we can do,
because without that mindsetyou're essentially shutting down
any desire to move forward.
So I just think it's so wellsaid and I've been talking a lot
more about this as science isbecoming clear why so many
people fail, so it doesn'tsurprise me that you and I sort
of share that, that mentality.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
And also just looking at failure more as like it's
data.
It's not an end point, you know, and with that data, then you
can learn from that and moveforward and become better from
from there.
And if you don't ever havefailure, how are you ever going
to improve?
So failure is really just datato help us improve our ourselves
(44:33):
, one incremental piece at atime.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
So, yeah, yeah, Failure is learning.
I mean like it really is, likeit's, it's actually the way that
we learn.
It's funny, too right, becausesaying that as a practitioner
like one of the things that Iused to say to my patients all
the time, when you get backblood work, you know and you're
looking at hormone optimizationin particular, you're just like
this is just a start, like thisis really good information.
It's like you're constantlysaying this is such good
(44:59):
information for us.
This is really good informationfor us, because as we gather
that data, it's the way that wetweak and adjust and get better
and better, and so you alldefinitely want practitioners
who are looking at things thatway.
The last thing you want is apractitioner to just be going oh
, you know, these numbers aren'tright and not explaining how
(45:20):
good it is sometimes when youdon't get exactly where you want
to go, because those are themoments that a good practitioner
is actually going to do theirbest, their best work.
So why don't you guys tell themwhere they can find you all
online, and you know, I thinkboth Rachel and Tabitha are
(45:40):
online and Halcyon Health nowhas an online spot as well.
So how can people get in touchwith you if they want to work
with you.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
We're Halcyon Optimized right,
wwwhalcyonoptimizedcom.
And then we can be found onInstagram and Facebook.
It's at halcyonhealth.
Where else can we be found?
We are on all the platforms,but at Halcyon health is the
best way to find us.
And then I am Tabitha Simmonsis my Instagram and Rachel is
(46:11):
what is your Instagram reach?
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Optimized by Rachel.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah, and if you need help finding them, just go to
my page and I follow all three.
They're my besties and so youcan find them there as well.
But I adore you both and I'm soglad we all got to hang out.
And if you're in the Vegas area, definitely go and check out
(46:36):
Tabitha and Rachel and I wastelling Tabitha we were talking
recently.
I'm like I want to come see youand hang because I want to see
this place, so hopefully I'mgoing to be there soon as well,
but I adore you both.
Do me a favor, hang on the line, just so I can make sure this
uploads.
And for all of you, I'm superexcited you got to meet my, my
two sweet, dear friends, and Ihope that you will check them
(46:59):
out and learn from these twoamazing teachers and we will see
you at the next podcast.
What's going on everybody?
Welcome to the show.
This is the Next Level HumanPodcast.
I'm your host, dr Jay Tita, andI am here with two of my very
good and close friends, rachelBowers and Tabitha Simmons, two
individuals who I have gotten toknow over the last couple years
.
We actually did a retreattogether several years back now
(00:21):
and fell in love with both ofthem, and they have begun to do
something that I really wantedto make sure I highlighted on
this particular podcast.
So Tabitha and Rachel havestarted a clinic called Halcyon
Health and, more important thanthat, they have begun to become
a voice in the hormone space and, in particular, the female
(00:43):
hormone space.
And so many of you know thatthis was my work for a very long
time and I stopped doing thiswork probably around five to
seven years ago, mostly becausetwo things really a lot of
amazing female practitionerscame into the space when that
really didn't exist on a highlevel prior to that.
In my opinion, and as I wastelling Tabitha and Rachel right
(01:07):
before we hit record, I justhave, you know, this sort of
weird thing.
I guess some people might saythat I don't think men are best
served to be the ones doing thiswork because they don't
actually have the realexperience, real experience.
And so what I have wanted to dofor quite some time is to
(01:28):
really get more women in thisconversation and hand off that
expertise that many of you knowme from to people who I think
are better qualified than myself.
And let me kind of set this uptoo, because Rachel and Tabitha
are sisters, they're very goodfriends of mine and they come at
this from a slightly differentperspective.
Tabitha and I kind of share thephilosophy aspect of this and
(01:49):
show so she can reallyarticulate well, sort of the
philosophical aspects of this.
But Rachel and I really sharethe science based aspects of
this and can sort of dialogue onthat.
Of course, all of us are wellversed in this area, but I think
this really should get usstarted, rachel and Tab, because
from my perspective there aretwo aspects to this thing, right
(02:13):
.
First of all, there's thecultural, psychology, philosophy
, mindset, sort of where we havearrived in terms of health care
and specifically female health,and then there's sort of the
cutting edge science aspect, andso, if you don't mind, what I
want to do maybe is start withyou, tabitha, and talk a little
(02:36):
bit about why you two decided todo this and I especially think
it's cool that two sisters aredoing this but what was the sort
of the dream, the kind of thingthat spurred you to go?
You know what?
This is something we have to do, because I know you have some
entrepreneurial background inanother space, in the
hospitality industry, and nowyou're moving into this realm,
(02:57):
and so tell us why you thoughtthis was so important.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So for me I mean I'm 48, so I've been a patient of
Rachel's for eight years andreally what started my, or what
sparked, I should say, mypassion for this is my
experience with Rachel as apatient and as I started to
understand more about my ownphysiology and how my body was
(03:23):
working and changing as I wasaging and how hormones impacted
that, alongside my experiencewith other doctors you know,
whether it be an internist or acardiologist or whatever it was
in relation to my experiencewith Rachel, and then started to
hear my peers talk about sortof you know what, how their
(03:44):
experience of health and howthat was changing as they aged.
And I started to notice sort ofa trend and it's interesting
the way you set it up.
One thing I observed is thatyou know we are told as women so
often that our experience ofmiddle age is just part of life,
(04:05):
right, and that it is part ofjust getting older, part of
being a mom, like part of, likethe stress, the mood changes,
the changes in our bodies, likethe lack of energy, the changes
in our body composition all ofthose things are just, you know,
part of being female.
Contrast that with the malespace where there's just a lot
(04:27):
of hyper focus on how tooptimize, right, one's health in
the male world, right?
And how to be the best versionof yourself and bigger muscles.
I mean, there's billboards allover the place talking about
testosterone in men and how tomake things better.
Sex drive that's a big one,right.
To make things better Sex drivethat's a big one, right.
(04:47):
Wouldn't it be nice if you hada great sex drive as a man and
your partner shared that sexdrive, right?
And I just started to observethat, even like you said, women
practitioners are also sort ofbrainwashed in a way to believe
that that is not something thatwarrants focus.
And, as you noted, it isscientific, right.
(05:11):
There are ways to understand,from a scientific perspective,
the way our bodies change andthe things that are happening.
And Rachel started to do thatand she started to ask the
questions and she started to sayyou know, why aren't we doing
this for women?
Why?
Why am I seeing this trend andwe're not managing it this way?
And you know, we started totalk about it and I just I felt
(05:34):
like something had to be done.
They're just we couldn't, um,we just don't deserve, you know
to, to live the next 40, 50years of our life, less than
less than our best.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, it is a really interesting sort of dynamic that
we have where it's like, okay,optimize male function, and you
know, uh, just uh, solve, youknow, sort of symptoms, uh, for
the female population for sure,and yeah, and, and you know, and
part of that and this is whereyou know I want to kind of get
you in, rachel, you know, partof that is, I think, uh, many of
(06:12):
my people who listen to thispodcast know this, but let's
just talk about this briefly.
Like one of the things, when Ifirst started doing research in
this area and this would havebeen in the late nineties, early
2000s, as I was finishing upmedical school I couldn't find
anything, virtually anything, inthe research on female health.
And I remember talking to oneof my professors at the time who
(06:37):
was doing research primarily onmen at University of Washington
in the exercise sciencedepartment there, and I remember
asking you know what's up withthis lack of research?
And you know what he said to mehe's like well, you can't, you
really can't control for themenstrual cycle.
The menstrual cycle throws allof this off, and so we basically
(07:00):
just do the research on men.
And I remember thinking tomyself we basically just do the
research on men, and I rememberthinking to myself okay, so
basically we're throwing outhalf of the population simply
because the hormonal situationis a little more complicated,
and it just made me my mind, Iremember, at that time, just
went exploded, because I wasworking with primarily women as
a personal trainer while I wasin medical school and it was at
(07:23):
that moment I realizedeverything that I thought I knew
about endocrine physiology andfitness.
I kind of needed to start overbecause it wasn't being studied
Now.
Now we're in a very differentplace, but also I think you know
, and I want to hear what youhave to say on this, rachel,
also, I still think, despite thefact that there's a lot of
(07:45):
chatter about this, all of asudden I still feel like we're
relatively in maybe not the darkages, but we're still in the
middle ages of, you know, femalehealthcare, in terms of what
Tabitha was talking about, interms of optimizing hormone
function, and so I want to justget a sense as a, as a fellow
practitioner what are yourthoughts on this?
(08:06):
Do you you know, and what isyour approach and what do you
think is being missed by mostpractitioners out there even
still?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
It wasn't mandated by the NIH until 1994 that women
had to be included in researchstudies.
So prior to that they could dothem and they could include
women, but they didn't.
They didn't have to.
So they could do them and theycould include women, but they
didn't have to.
So they could do all of theseresearch and it was all on men,
like you pointed out.
And then it came, shortly afterthat, the Women's Health
Initiative, and that was a hugestudy of tens of thousands of
(08:38):
women that basically told I meanit was multifactorial.
One of the pieces of the Women'sHealth Initiative was studying
hormones in women aged like 68to 75-ish range, and they
studied two synthetic hormonesand they found that they were.
They caused.
The ultimate result was thatthey caused, that they caused
(09:01):
harm, so cancer, blood clot,stroke, heart attack, and so
that was the message and thatwas the message from like
basically, 2000 until prettymuch, I want to say, in the last
two years.
The message has been thathormones are bad and women just
need to suck it up and deal withit.
(09:22):
And if you want to try hormones, you're going to be hard
pressed to find a practitionerthat's going to know about them
and think that they're safeenough to prescribe.
So we're battling thisscience-based claim that
hormones are bad for us, whenyou know if you're thinking from
(09:42):
just like a pure logicalstandpoint our body makes
estrogen and progesterone.
Why would giving estrogen andprogesterone causes harm?
But that's what the message is.
And so then we're battling,from a practitioner standpoint,
this well, very well seededbelief from the population that
hormones are scary and bad andthey're going to give me cancer,
from the population thathormones are scary and bad and
(10:03):
they're going to give me cancer.
And then you are also battlingthe general medical population
being trained in medical schoolsthat hormones cause cancer,
blood clot, stroke and all ofthose things.
And so it's.
It's a huge roadblock to cancer, to trying to reach people, not
just from a medical standpoint,but still if, if they are in
(10:26):
the uh, traditional allopathicmd space.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I still find that unless they are endocrinologists
and even this is slow moving alittle bit they still are
reluctant uh to deal with uhhormones.
And at the same time, I havenever seen in my clinical
practice a woman not completelyget better on all levels with
hormone replacement therapy.
(11:11):
And, by the way, this is evenbefore we were mostly doing
natural hormone replacementtherapy.
Even with the equine estrogensand some of the progestins I
would see women improve prettydramatically in my clinic.
Now, since you know, we havegone almost entirely to natural
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hormone replacement therapy.
But and to your point, theWomen's Health Initiative study
and this is really hard but andI know people get frustrated
with science but after decadesof looking at this research, the
messaging there was also wrong.
So now we know that these riskswere essentially nonexistent,
(11:52):
with very little downside inthese women, and so I think this
is a big piece of what hashappened.
Now, of course, for those ofyou listening, we've now moved
on a great deal.
Right, it's been 20 plus yearsnow where we now have really
good data, we have really goodpractitioners, we have really
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good protocols and proceduresand we are seeing phenomenal
strides, I think, finally infemale healthcare.
And what I want to know, rachel, from you all is what is it
that you feel like you are doingthat most other practitioners
aren't?
What is it that you feel likewe still need work with or we
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still need help with, or isstill a big misconception in
this area that you're addressingat Halcyon Health?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Well, one of the big ones with women is that
menopause, perimenopause, equalshot flashes, fatigue and night
sweats, and that's basicallywhat it is and that if we can
just fix those symptoms, we'redoing a good job.
And I will argue, we want tofix those symptoms.
We don't want to have patientsbe fatigued and experiencing hot
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flashes and night sweats, butthat's just the tip of the
iceberg what we can do withhormone replacement.
If you really know the sciencebehind how hormones work in the
body, they are essential topretty much every single
function on a cellular level inour body, from brain to bones,
to skin, to eyes in our body,from brain to bones, to skin, to
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eyes.
You know, you name it and if weso, yes, I want to help you
feel better and look better andnot experience these superficial
symptoms, but deep down, Ireally want to improve your
overall physiology andbiological health.
So you know another I thinkbuzzword out there is like your
biological age.
So you know another, I thinkbuzzword out there is like your
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biological age.
And.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I think that's one way that we can improve your
biological age is by optimizingthe hormones, not just
superficially to get rid of thesymptoms, but also to improve
underlying physiology.
And I think one thing too, toadd to that, because it's easier
for me to brag about her thanit is for her to brag about
herself, but I think, and ingeneral, what is necessary in
the world is that you know twothings.
One, rachel is willing to takethe time to educate her patients
.
So not only does she understandthe physiology, not only does
she understand how hormonesimpact us at a cellular level,
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but she's willing to communicatethat to her patients and break
it down for them in a way that'seasy for them to digest and
understand.
And that's important for for alot of reasons.
But one reason that I see isthat the only way we change this
is by learning how to advocatefor ourselves as patients, not
accepting you know, this is justhow it is but asking our, our
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practitioners, what?
What does it mean to me rightwhen you, when you have
diagnosed me with something, orwhen you have prescribed me
something, what does that mean?
How does that work in my body?
How you know what I'm saying weneed to, we need to understand
it and we need to advocate forourselves.
I think with these professionsI'm a lawyer, I get it.
Lawyers, doctors, you know thescience, the MDs, the ISTs, the
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biologists, whatever it is weput them on a pedestal and we
look to them to have all theanswers, and that's unfair right
.
We need to understand ourbodies, we need to do our own
research, we need to develop ourown awareness and then we need
to fight for ourselves in thisspace.
And Rachel is a practitionerwhere, if you show up knowing
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and asking questions, you willbe heard and she will have the
conversation with you and shewill collaborate with you in
coming up with a plan that worksbest for you.
And I think that's the bestrecipe and coming up with a plan
that works best for you and Ithink that's the best recipe.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, I agree a hundred percent.
I think it really comes down toindividualized medicine, and
that is a topic that you know.
Lots of people will say thatindividualized, you know we do
individualized medicine, butit's still, you know, a
protocol-based, recipe-basedapproach that's not necessarily
taken to account the individualand here's the way I break this
down to, or I typically break itdown to, the listeners.
(16:07):
I mean, yes, I spent my wholecareer understanding the
differences between male andfemale endocrinology.
So it is important and we cancertainly, on one level, as we
get to the individualizedapproach, we certainly can say
okay, there's men and there'swomen.
Obviously, women have two majorsex steroids.
Men have one female hormonecycle throughout the month.
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Females have five differenthormonal stages, four or five,
depending on whether they gothrough pregnancy in their life.
Men have two, so there's somebig differences here.
But then what I really love whatyou said, dan Tapley, because
to me I go OK, that's just thestart.
Now, of course, a lot ofpractitioners aren't even
looking at it from thatperspective.
They're still just going OK,you know, just cookbook here's,
(16:52):
here's hormone replacementtherapy for men or for women,
but the magic really starts tohappen when you're like, ok, you
know, let's take a look at thisparticular woman and how she is
faring and what is going onwith her libido and what is
going on with her mood and whatis going on with her hunger and
her energy and her cravings, andhow is her mental and emotional
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state through these transitions.
And to me that's where I thinksort of the magic happens.
And so I know that you, this iswhat essentially you all are
doing in your center, but Idon't know if you, this is what
essentially you all are doing inyour center.
But I don't know if you want tosay any more about that, rachel
, in terms of your, yourapproach to this, if you agree
with it or you feel like I'mmissing something there.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
No, absolutely.
I think that that's definitelyone of the things that I've
struggled with in traditionalmedicine, cause, as you know,
I've been in traditionalmedicine space for 20 years and
then doing the hormone stuffkind of on the side for the last
eight to nine years, and, um,that's what I've struggled with.
I don't have the time toindividualize your plan as much
(18:00):
Like I do my best in the like 10to 15 minutes that I have, but
it's very difficult to explainto a patient what a medication
is, why you need it and how touse it, and then why it's
important to be consistent fromnow until the next appointment
in 10 minutes, plus addresswhatever concerns they have.
And so I think that with withthis kind of space, we're able
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to expand the time that we'respending with patients and then
really talk to them about whattheir goal is in terms of their
health, because every singleperson is different, and then
from there, I can explain howhormones may impact them in
terms of their specific goalsand educate them as to why these
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are important.
And what I see is that patientsare far more likely to comply
and continue the therapy whenthey understand why we're doing
it, versus just telling themlike okay, this is the plan, you
take these medications and comeand see me in two months.
They're less likely to reallycomply with that and especially
if they have any kind of sideeffects, then they're far less
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likely to comply.
So yeah, I think um superimportant.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah.
And so tell me, what are youall, what kind of uh people are
you actually seeing at yourclinic?
So I know, so those of you inthe Vegas area right, I don't
know where exactly you all are,but I know they're in the Las
Vegas area, halcyon Health youdefinitely are going to want to
check it out, but so who'sshowing up?
And, by the way, I've seen theimages of this space.
It's just absolutely beautifulwhat you all are doing here.
(19:35):
So tell me about your let's gothrough sort of the experience
at your center and sort of who'sshowing up there.
I'm so interested to know howit's going.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Well one.
It is interesting.
One of the things that wedidn't mention is that Rachel's
approach isn't just the medicalside, it's also the lifestyle
right, and so we both haveincorporated lifestyle changes
to improve our health and ourhealth, you know, our longevity
right, and that, combined withhormone management, is like the
special sauce.
And so what we wanted to do atHalcyon is have a very
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comfortable, inviting, warmspace where you could have these
conversations with yourpractitioner, like you said, the
individualized, oftenvulnerable conversations about
how you feel, how you want tofeel, how you want to live, and
then have these other sort oftreatment modalities, if you
will, that support that.
(20:35):
So contrast therapy we have adry heat sauna, 190 degree dry
heat sauna.
We have a cold plunge.
We have IV therapy, we have NADshots, b12 shots, in a
beautiful, comfortable space.
Rachel can speak to her, to herwho's who's showing up, but
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generally it's people that youknow look like me, who are my
age, that look like both of uswomen in their, in their forties
.
But I will say, though, what'sbeen interesting about this is
that we live in a toxic world,you know, and we are living high
intensity lives, and that ischanging the way our bodies
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react to aging and we, rachel,has patients that are in their
30s.
Certainly, hormone imbalancesare not just for 40 something
year old women or old people,they're just not, and so it's
been very fascinating to me tosee the different types of
people that come into the spaceand that follow Rachel.
Yeah, it's been pretty.
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It's been pretty powerful.
I love it because I'm, like youknow, been pretty powerful.
I love it because I'm, like youknow, really anxious and
excited to see all my peersreally starting to understand
and advocate for themselves andthen get the benefits of it.
It's really phenomenal.
Once you are with someone whois your partner and who can
collaborate with you on yourhealth, it really is like you
said, it's magic.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, you want to know something else I'll say
about you two, is that?
So you know, I'm trying tothink it's what?
Is it Four years now since weboth first met and I swear the
two of you look like you de-aged?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
in the last few years .
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Like you both.
Like you both look absolutelyphenomenal, right.
So it's like really interestingto see, it's really fun to see
like, okay, these are two peoplewho basically opened up a
center, uh, and they live thislifestyle and like it really is
like from, you know, from weightloss to skin tone, to the way
you're glowing, like you, youboth look absolutely phenomenal.
(22:37):
And it reminded me when I wasseeing um, you know all the
stuff that you were putting outwith halcyon.
It reminds me, you know thiswhole third space sort of thing
where people are like it.
It used to be the coffee shopright, then it used to be the
gym and what I thought when Isaw your space I was like, oh my
God, this is so interestingthat this sort of clinic space
that most people wouldn'tnecessarily see, it's like I
want to go hang out there as mythird space.
(22:59):
You know what I mean.
I want to go, I want to go hangout at the clinic for half the
day.
So it has this sort of, youknow, day spa sort of feel.
But there's also sort of this,you know, really high touch,
advanced, you know, naturalmedicine lifestyle component
that you all are bringing.
So, yeah, I really you knowjust kind of love, and how many
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people, rachel, by the way aredoing HRT and you know how, how
many?
How many people are there justfor their general health, or is
it you know specific to almosteverybody's?
On a hormone replacementtherapy?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
No, it, um, it's.
I would say the majority ishormone replacement, but I have
I was just going to say when youwere Tab was talking about, you
know the 30 somethings.
I have mothers calling me upand asking me to evaluate their
daughters who are like earlytwenties, because they're
struggling with periodirregularities and fatigue and
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weight gain and all theirgynecologist wants to do is put
them on birth control and theywant an alternative.
And so I may not.
Obviously at 20, they likelydon't need estrogen and things
like that.
But there are other things thatwe can do to help them, to
optimize their health at 20, tohelp improve their cycle and the
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way they feel during theircycle and all of that.
So it is a very variedpopulation and although we do
both men and women, I would sayit's predominantly women that
have come in and have sought usout.
I think because men you knowthere's so many of these, you
know testosterone clinics allaround, so they have so many
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options, whereas women don't.
I mean they're gynecologists.
Most of them will just flat outsay I don't check hormones and
if you want those you're goingto have to find somebody else,
um and so, and then if they dooffer it, it's like we were
talking about it's very cookiecutter, formulaic type of
medicine and patients are justlike I don't really feel a big
(24:59):
difference or I'm just notfeeling my best with this, this
plan.
So, yeah, it's a very, verywide range of people that I'm
seeing.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And we're new Jade, so we, we really just opened.
I mean, we've been open liketwo months, so, yeah, so,
getting people to, to see thespace and to understand, to make
it their third space is iswhere it's a work in progress.
Their third space is where it'sa work in progress.
I have to say, though, okay,that we went to your next level
(25:30):
human retreat in 2021, and itabsolutely transformed us, and
we had been talking about theclinic, you know, right up until
then and during that time, butit wasn't a real thing.
And then things you said thatobviously, the experience of
just sort of cracking us openand giving us more courage and
(25:51):
confidence to approach this typeof endeavor was definitely
happened there.
And then you talked about yousaid the thing that you said in
the beginning of this aboutwomen and science and not being
considered, and you talked aboutestrogen and progesterone being
sisters, and you exposed us tosauna house, and we had the most
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profound winter walking downthe street in the snow with like
wet hair after a two hourinvigorating sauna experience.
So, basically, you're ourpartner in this thing
invigorating sauna experience.
So basically, you're ourpartner in this thing.
Jade jade is really a foundingmember of halcyon health.
Um, but seriously, if it wasn'tfor you?
(26:33):
Honestly, you really are a bigpart of what inspired us to to
be here and to get here, and Ireally mean that from the bottom
of my heart.
It was.
There's so much of what wecreated in this space was
inspired by you and ourexperience with you, so that's
the truth.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, I love that experience with you two so much.
Right, it's like that was thefirst time that I did a live
event for Next Level Human and Imade I feel like just a
lifelong you know family there.
So the feeling is mutual andyou and bringing that up.
Here's what I really want toget into, because this is really
what I know you two are verymuch into and I think we'd be
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remiss if we didn't cover this.
One of the interesting things Ithink about as we age, men and
women, is that this thing aboutour purpose and taking our
struggles and our pain andturning it into purpose and
creating something that grows usbut also enriches others and
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sort of evolves our little partof the planet.
And to me, this is what I getperhaps excited about the most,
about what you, you two, aredoing.
It's almost as if you're likeyou know, think about this from
the perspective of you know um,two sisters.
You know they, they, you, youknow you all don't know them.
(27:56):
I do a little bit, but wentthrough a really tough time lost
their dad, all the things youknow, going through this
particular you know um, thisparticular age and you know not
having a whole lot of answersand then, you know, kind of
coming together and buildingsomething that really solves the
same problems they werestruggling with for other humans
(28:19):
.
I really think that that's whywe're on the planet in the first
place, and I kind of wanted tojust get your both of your sense
about this that I tend to thinkNow, of course, it is where I
focus my attention, so I am alittle bit more biased, but I
tend to think this is whatpeople are missing Now, of
course, when they don't feeloptimized.
(28:40):
You know, we all know what it'slike when your energy is low and
you have all this extra weighton you and you feel inflamed and
you feel all that it's hard tofocus on.
Like, what do I want to do toget to give back?
So, from my perspective, though, what's really interesting
about watching you two is thatyou were helping people meet
that level so that they canelevate as humans, and to me
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that's why we're on the planet.
But I do want to just brieflyask you about, you know, sort of
that mindset and what's drivingyou and what you think is
really missing in the clientswho come to you.
Just simply, you know, besideshormone replacement and all
those things like what are youactually seeing?
Are you seeing it the same waythat I'm seeing it?
(29:26):
And how's it, how's it feel forthe both of you as you sort of
embark on this sort of it's kindof a higher journey?
It's definitely not just abouthormone replacement therapies
and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Well.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I well, I think you're right on.
I think Rachel's going to tellyou about her experience with
her patients.
Oh sorry, I think we're talkingover each other because of the
delay.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
No, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Go ahead.
No, that's all right, Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Rach yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Okay.
So what I was going to say interms of purpose for me, you
know.
As you know, jade, buildingyour own business is very
difficult and if you're notbusiness minded, it's even more
difficult, very challenging forme to get through some of the
things that we've had to do overthe last few years just to open
, and then what we have tocontinue to do to promote
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ourselves.
It's just not in my wheelhouseright.
So there have been lots oftimes where I've had a lot of
doubt like am I doing the rightthing?
Is this good for me?
But when I really sit down andthink about it, this is how I
impact people and that'sultimately what fuels me and
gets me going through the day,like those patients who come in
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who I haven't seen in a year,who are like oh my gosh, rachel,
I've sent so many people to youyou you were the first person
that listened to me and reallygave me an understanding of what
was going on and took the timeto help me feel better.
Um, that that is the kind of umresponse that I get more often
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than not for my patients andwhen I think about not doing it
in this space and giving themthe time that they deserve.
Um, it's, it's saddening, youknow it's.
It's it's soul crushing anddisheartening to think about
going backwards to that.
So, even though doing somethinglike this is so incredibly
difficult for me, the purposethat it is fulfilling for me is
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so much greater than anyhardship I will have to build
the business.
So I just have to keepreminding myself that that's the
ultimate purpose of this is tohelp people and get them to feel
seen and heard in thisparticular space and her in, you
(31:43):
know, in this particular space.
And then, when it comes to mypatients individually, in terms
of their purpose, I feel likesometimes they come in thinking
I'm just going to prescribe thema medication and I'll say well,
what's your morning look like?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You know what do you do you know?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
do you look at your phone immediately when you wake
up?
Do you do you go?
I talk a lot about like wakingup, taking 15 minutes to have a
glass of water, go outside andput your face in the sunshine.
That is a huge like biohack forimproving the way your body
functions physiologically andpsychologically for the day.
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Psychologically for the day,and those kinds of things are
what help us to then focus onour purpose, because we then
have the little boost of energyfrom that tiny little commitment
to ourselves for the first 15minutes of the day.
So I talk about all of thosekinds of things with the patient
in addition to what we could doand what we can prescribe.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, I love that so much.
Let me just say something beforeI get your your thoughts on
that, tabitha.
I I love what you're saying,rachel, because what I can say,
I think, without a shadow of adoubt, when I was doing more
protocol based stuff take thissupplement, even take this drug
or, you know, take thisparticular hormone and I was not
dealing with basic physiology,basic connection to nature,
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sunshine, clean water, basicnutrition and how we're relating
to our fellow humans what wouldhappen is I can only get people
so far, and so I think that'swhat makes an extraordinary
practitioner from my point ofview, and I just don't see still
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practitioners like that, andthat's what I think is so
amazing about the approach,rachel, and people like you and
me and Tabitha.
I think we still have tocontinue to talk about this idea
that you get charged upnaturally from these natural
things, that you're doing verysimple things, and then also,
what keeps you charged up isbringing this to your purposeful
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life, and I do think thatpeople are disconnected from
this.
They tend to see like I'll goto halcyon to get you know this
and then I'm not going to worryabout anything else, when it's
really like no, you come toHalcyon, to really learn how to
live in alignment once againwith nature, get optimized with
your hormones so that you canthen go out into the world and
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be your best self, and I'm notsure all practitioners are
putting it together that way,but to me that's when people
start going okay.
Life is really, really amazingand good, and so I just love
hearing you know sort of thatapproach.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, it's like on that, the path to actualization
if your basic needs aren't met,you can't take the next step.
And this is like your basicneeds, you know connecting with
nature, committing to yourself,getting your hormones balanced
this is like the basic thing.
And then after that it allfeels so much more like gravy.
And I will say that I that youknow when we talk about purpose,
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there's a lot of talk about itnow and there, always there has
been but there's a lot of talktalk about it, particularly in
in in this space and those thatfollow you, and I think it's
really intimidating becausepurpose feels like something so
extraordinary, um, and so it'sreally hard to to imagine doing
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something like Gandhi orwhatever you know, like Martin
Luther.
It's like I'm not that guy.
And I think that what I havediscovered in this path,
starting with the experience wehad with you, Jade, was that
that purpose isn't extraordinary, it's just being true to
yourself, and that the more youcome back to that and the more
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that you are true to yourselfand pick your pain because it is
incredibly painful and hard toexperience lack of alignment
Right, it's really hard and it'sreally hard to do things every
day that make you miserable, andit's also hard to choose
yourself.
It's hard to be truthful toyourself and it's hard to choose
(35:59):
, choose authenticity.
But I can tell you what you'reyou're much more likely, or
maybe the only way you're likely, to find your purpose and to
live an ordinary but trulyextraordinary life is through
that, that coming back toyourself.
So you get your basic needs met, you come to Rachel, you
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advocate for yourself, youconnect with nature and then you
embark on that path of findingtruth and you will find your
purpose.
It will just happen.
It is not something that isreally remarkable, it's just,
it's very natural.
That's what we're meant to do ashumans, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, we really are, and it's so well, so well said,
tabitha.
You're so brilliant in this way.
I also want to say that me,knowing tabitha, you know talk
about alignment and steppinginto.
You know your fear and steppinginto like all the things that
you need to do to clear yourlife, to get better.
(36:58):
I mean you're like the perfectexample of this.
Like I'm thinking about all thethings you've been through
since you and I first met andit's like a lot of disruption,
but like, look at where you're,you are and and I and the reason
I kind of bring this up isbecause I do think, yes, it can
seem uh daunting to kind of belike, all right, I need to, I
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need to, you know, understand mypurpose, but really all it is
is your purpose is kind oftalking to you all the time, and
it's not necessarily being inauthentic alignment to a past
self.
That's the hard part.
It's being in authenticalignment to the future, you and
so when Rachel and Tabitha hadsort of this dream, you know
they started to and I actually Iwant to just walk through how I
see this and I want you both tocorrect me with this, because I
think this is such a coolhero's journey.
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In a sense, there's this thingthat happens when you come
together and you go what is ourhistory?
What is the past history?
What is what is our historygiven us the skills to do?
And in this case you both havecomplimentary skills and then
it's basically looking out intothe future and saying what have
I been prepared, what has lifebeen preparing me to do, and am
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I brave enough to step into thatauthentic alignment and shed
the old skin?
And the hard part is shed allthe old people and places and
stories that are attached tothat old skin.
That's where we get afraid, Ithink, and you two have just
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crushed that, and I know howdifficult it is and continues to
be, because that's the processright for all of us.
So I love that you're kind ofsaying pick your struggle,
because you're going to strugglein either way, but the most
painful struggle is being out ofalignment to that authentic
next level human self.
So I just think it's so wellsaid.
(38:52):
And what I want to do as wekind of wrap up, if you all
don't mind, I do want to give um, just some take-homes like some
, just some general things thatthe listeners can kind of do
from two women who haveessentially you know, from my
perspective, over the last fouryears I mean talk about
optimized.
You both have done something soincredible in terms of the way
(39:13):
that you are functioning, theway you look, the way you must
feel on the inside and whatyou're creating in the world us
feel on the inside and whatyou're creating in the world.
And so I just want to give youa chance to you know, give the
advice or, you know, tell alittle bit more about your story
or where people should start onthis journey, if they are.
You know a woman who is intheir late thirties, early
(39:34):
forties, you know fifties, up tosixties, and they're feeling
like this is broken.
I got nobody to sort of lean on.
I mean, I think you've, you'vefound your sort of two.
You know mentors right here.
So I'm wondering what, what youwant to say to that, if
anything like any to do's, togive or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Well, I think, um, when it comes to your health, I
think don't accept if you don'tfeel like your best, if you
don't feel like you did at somepoint in the past, or just like
you should, and you don't havethe energy to do the things that
you love, or if you don't feelyour best psychologically, don't
(40:19):
accept that there isn't asolution.
Don't accept that.
I think that's the first thing.
There is a lot of resources outthere and you can find a
practitioner that will listen toyou and help you embark on that
journey of hormone health.
I think that's the first thing.
Thing, really, that I want tosay, for me personally, is kind
(40:41):
of what I said for thoselistening that it isn't that try
not to get overwhelmed ordiscouraged by this this thought
of of becoming or finding yourpurpose or living your purpose
that it really is a simple path.
There's a ton of different waysthat that people can do it and
there's a ton of differentresources out there for
beginning that journey.
(41:05):
But it's not about being OprahWinfrey or Martin Luther King Jr
All those people are fantasticand have had amazing impact on
our world but you can, too, justby being you, and I think that
it is not something that shouldbe daunting, it's something that
should be exciting.
So that's my little two centsRach.
Do you have anything to add tothat?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah, I would just say that, when it comes to your
journey to your purpose and aswell as your hormone journey or
health optimization journey,it's not a race and you can take
as long or as or as fast as youwant to go to, to get to to
(41:50):
health optimization and what,and it's not necessarily a
journey, it is a, it is aconstant evolution and that
evolution is not linear.
And so you, you have made, youmay make huge strides at some
points and then you may be, youknow, a snail's pace at other,
at others.
So, um, just keeping in mindthat you know, whatever
(42:13):
timeframe you are taking inorder to achieve your best self
is the right one.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
So yeah, actually I want to say something about that
Super powerful Rachel, for thisis kind of relatively new
science and not a lot of peopleare talking about it.
But what Rachel just pointedout to all of you is the number
one reason, basically inneuroscience, why people fail to
make change.
Because what they do is theycreate and set up this success,
(42:42):
failure, you know, sort ofconundrum, and it triggers an
area of the brain called thehabenula which shuts down
willpower.
And so when you have apractitioner who basically is
telling you, enjoy the process,you arrive, when arrival is no
longer the goal, what thatessentially is doing is it's
keeping this habenula hijackfrom happening, whereas the rest
(43:05):
of the world is saying, oh, youhave to do it this way and this
doesn't look good, so youfailed again.
And anytime you even perceivefailure, you shut down your
willpower.
So many of you listening to thisright now are at this place
where you're like nothing'sgoing to work for me because
your habanula has been hijackedso many times.
And so what you're saying there, from my perspective, rachel,
(43:27):
is perhaps the most powerfulthing and powerful message that
we can get in medicine andself-development right now, that
we need to realize that thisapproach is it's just always be
learning.
It's not a success, failure.
You start where you are and youbegin the process and you're
always in process and thatmindset of always be learning is
(43:49):
, I think, one of the mosthealing things that we can do,
because without that mindsetyou're essentially shutting down
any desire to move forward.
So I just think it's so wellsaid and I've been talking a lot
more about this as science isbecoming clear why so many
people fail, so it doesn'tsurprise me that you and I sort
of share that, that mentality.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
And also just looking at failure more as like it's
data.
It's not an end point, you know, and with that data, then you
can learn from that and moveforward and become better from
from there.
And if you don't ever havefailure, how are you ever going
to improve?
So failure is really just datato help us improve our ourselves
(44:33):
, one incremental piece at atime.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
So, yeah, yeah, Failure is learning.
I mean like it really is, likeit's, it's actually the way that
we learn.
It's funny, too right, becausesaying that as a practitioner
like one of the things that Iused to say to my patients all
the time, when you get backblood work, you know and you're
looking at hormone optimizationin particular, you're just like
this is just a start, like thisis really good information.
It's like you're constantlysaying this is such good
(44:59):
information for us.
This is really good informationfor us, because as we gather
that data, it's the way that wetweak and adjust and get better
and better, and so you alldefinitely want practitioners
who are looking at things thatway.
The last thing you want is apractitioner to just be going oh
, you know, these numbers aren'tright and not explaining how
(45:20):
good it is sometimes when youdon't get exactly where you want
to go, because those are themoments that a good practitioner
is actually going to do theirbest, their best work.
So why don't you guys tell themwhere they can find you all
online, and you know, I thinkboth Rachel and Tabitha are
(45:40):
online and Halcyon Health nowhas an online spot as well.
So how can people get in touchwith you if they want to work
with you.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
We're Halcyon Optimized right,
wwwhalcyonoptimizedcom.
And then we can be found onInstagram and Facebook.
It's at halcyonhealth.
Where else can we be found?
We are on all the platforms,but at Halcyon health is the
best way to find us.
And then I am Tabitha Simmonsis my Instagram and Rachel is
(46:11):
what is your Instagram reach?
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Optimized by Rachel.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah, and if you need help finding them, just go to
my page and I follow all three.
They're my besties and so youcan find them there as well.
But I adore you both and I'm soglad we all got to hang out.
And if you're in the Vegas area, definitely go and check out
(46:36):
Tabitha and Rachel and I wastelling Tabitha we were talking
recently.
I'm like I want to come see youand hang because I want to see
this place, so hopefully I'mgoing to be there soon as well,
but I adore you both.
Do me a favor, hang on the line, just so I can make sure this
uploads.
And for all of you, I'm superexcited you got to meet my, my
two sweet, dear friends, and Ihope that you will check them
(46:59):
out and learn from these twoamazing teachers and we will see
you at the next podcast.
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