Night Owls

Night Owls

Joe Klein and John Ellis on what's happening and what happens next. Joe Klein is the author of seven books and "Sanity Clause," a Substack newsletter. John Ellis is the founder and editor of two Substack newsletters — News Items and Political News Items. The two friends have covered American politics for a combined 95 years.

Episodes

March 25, 2025 51 mins
Capitulation Week 
A major liberal law firm capitulates to Trump pressure. A major Ivy League University capitulates to Trump pressure. Zelensky capitulates to Trump pressure. In Israel, Bibi Netanyahu tries to replicate Trump pressure…and the Dems best response is yesterday’s Bernie singing yesterday’s song. John and Joe revisit last week. 
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A conversation with Martin Wolf, chief economics commentator at the Financial Times, London. 
We discuss his recent book -- The Crisis of Democratic Capitalism -- and recent events. 
 
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Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee Senator Tom Cotton (R-AR) talks about his new book -- "Seven Things You Can't Say About China" -- and says most of them. 

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February 22, 2025 50 mins

A world in disarray

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February 9, 2025 68 mins

Al From, the founder of the Democratic Leadership Council, talks about how to rebuild the Democratic Party—and how he did it last time.

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January 25, 2025 58 mins

Inauguration Week in Review! Joe and John on the ascendant Trump, the triumph of the Tech Bros, Dems in disarray, the Lars Anderson Bridge and the whereabouts of Philip K. Howard. 

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January 17, 2025 65 mins
Nobody knows the New York Post like Susan Mulcahy.
She wrote the book. She talked about it with us. 
 
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January 9, 2025 60 mins

Episode Four: A dream assignment: David moves to Shanghai and begins covering China. He goes from "Sock City" to Apple, to the extraordinary changes in China's economy, politics and culture. The final episode covers everything from Wuhan to Taiwan, fentanyl to semiconductors, quantum computing to cyberhacking, to Xi's political standing and how much (and how many of) China's most successful people dislike and distrust Xi. 

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January 9, 2025 16 mins

Episode Three: The not-a-partnership partnership of one of the world's greatest entrepreneurs and one of the world's richest men is a case study in modern China. David describes the "partnership" that became the subject of an extraordinary report co-produced by The New York Times and David's news magazine, The Wire China.

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January 8, 2025 33 mins

Episode TwoWe begin our conversation with David about China and whether the "Thucydides Trap" can be avoided.

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January 8, 2025 31 mins

Episode OneDavid Barboza, former Shanghai Bureau Chief for The New York Times, is building a new kind of media company. Call it Bloomberg for China. 

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December 28, 2024 68 mins

In the final episode of our Cortico trilogy, we talked with the company's founder and CEO, Deb Roy, about the future of "building civic muscle" and his roadmap for a national Cortico network. 

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Part two of our conversations with the senior management of Cortico, the platform for "deeper conversations".
Featuring Deb Roy and Alex Kelly Berman.
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December 11, 2024 38 mins
Cortico, in collaboration with the MIT Center for Constructive Communication (CCC), has built a platform that connects rather than divides communities, and in so doing, helps create a healthier society. We talked to its CEO and co-founder, Deb Roy, and one of its Directors, Prof. Kathy Cramer, about how it works and how it's working. ...
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December 4, 2024 41 mins

Part Two of our interview with Jane Metclafe, a woman who saw the future clearly. Twice. 

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December 3, 2024 33 mins

Part One of our interview with Jane Metclafe, a woman who saw the future clearly. Twice. 

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November 19, 2024 60 mins

An interview with University of California San Diego Professor Barbara Walter, whose book -- "How Civil Wars Start: And How to Stop Them" -- examines the risk factors that presage civil wars. Those factors are "anocracy," factionalism, loss of power and loss of hope, all hyper-linked by social media. The U.S. has been on her watch list for civil war for some time. She's keeping it there. 

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November 2, 2024 54 mins

A last look at the 2024 presidential campaign. A disagreement about Jeff Bezos. A watershed moment in Germany. And more! 

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October 19, 2024 60 mins
Rita Singh is one of the leading voice forensics scientists in the world. In this podcast, she discusses her work at length; what our voices tell us about our physical stature, our ethnicity, our age, our health, our honesty, our intentions and our mental states. It's riveting. 
 
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General David Petraeus (Ret.) talks about the paperback edition of his book, Conflict, written with Andrew Roberts—and brings us up to date on the state of war in Ukraine, Gaza, Lebanon and potential wars in Iran and Taiwan.

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