February 24, 2025 • 35 mins
If you've ever wondered if you're on the path you're meant to be or taken a hard left turn to find out, this is a conversation for you.
Mark Lebrun joins me to share his remarkable journey from nearly becoming a psychologist to leveraging social media to reach over 10 million people with messages of hope and inspiration.
From talking about the importance of having a strong "why" to overcome fear and criticism to surrounding yourself with greatness - we cover a lot of ground regarding personal development and impact at scale!
This guy loves authenticity as much as I do, and this is a chat you'll want to be part of!
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Angie (00:00):
Angie, hello, everybody. It is another Monday morning,
and I am here with your favoritepodcast to start off the week.
No more Mondays. My name isAngie Callen, and I host this
show where I like to think thatyou can have a thriving career
or business and an amazing lifeon your terms. So I bring you
people who not only prove that,but also have awesome advice and
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tools to help you live and workmore authentically. I got a new
one for you today. A pastor anda social media influencer walk
onto a podcast. Spoiler alert,they are the same. Yes. Mark
Lebrun is a force to be reckonedwith, as if you can't already
tell I learned that when he andI shared a stage a few months
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ago at the thing, which you'veall heard about by now, if you
listen to this podcast more thanonce in the last few weeks, and
he and I hit it off when wediscovered a lot of common
ground across many Life andLeadership topics, believe it or
not, channeled his experience ineducational leadership and
ministry and nonprofits into abooming social media presence
where he's engaged over 10million people with inspiring
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and transformative content. Andthrough that journey into the
unexpected, he found a newpurpose, which is teaching
others how to do the same, howto scale and how to monetize
their presence so we can havethe impact we all want to have.
So you're a creator, a brand, afounder, a nonprofit, anyone
who's just a plain old, goodhuman. It's time to listen up,
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because Mark labretta is here topreach. Mark, welcome to no more
Mondays. Oh
Mark (01:33):
my goodness, I feel so exposed, Angie, I didn't think
you were going to talk to peopleor expose the people about me
being a pastor, I try to, like,keep down the low. Sometimes I'm
just messing with you, though.It's okay. I'm alright with
that. It's fine. Part
Angie (01:48):
of your brand and your authenticity, which is what's
right. It's part of who I am.What I love about it is whatever
your belief system is out there,but we won't share them, no
whatever you know, regardless ofany sort of, you know,
theological subject matter here,if you are somebody out there
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who's changed careers,contemplated changing careers,
or ever tried to figure out whatyour transferable skills are,
you're sitting here baffled,thinking, How does somebody in
ministry leadership get intosocial media, consult influence
and coaching and consulting, andso I feel like it's very
reasonable out there. We're inthe we are in the business of
giving people hope. That'sanother thing you and I share,
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an inspiring thing to explain topeople, like, how did ministry
lead to social media influenceand the business that you're
also now growing?
Mark (02:40):
First of all, that's a really good point that you're
making, and it is part of who Iam. But the reason why I share
like, I try to like, shy awayfrom that is because, you know,
some people got a stigma aboutpastors like, and I don't mind
being called a pastor, but atthe same time, I just don't want
to create any barriers tosomebody not wanting to listen
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to who I am and what I'm about.Because if we could be honest,
there's a there's a lot ofnegative talk around church and
faith and religion, but I don'tcare. Honestly, I love Jesus,
Angie (03:19):
which is why I think it's so important for people to hear
that and you admit that thestigma does exist, which already
should tell everyone out therethe kind of person you're
talking to,
Mark (03:29):
yes, and my heart is really to represent the love,
the beauty, the hope of Jesus,bringing gospel influence in
every sector of society. Andthis is why I actually stumbled
across, you know, social mediainfluence and digital marketing.
I was not on the trajectory atall in my career of even
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ministry. I was on thetrajectory of becoming a
psychologist. I wanted to be aprofessor, slash a counselor.
And then God was like, I believeyou to helping people through
faith in life. And one of thebeautiful things that really
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transformed me is how I coulduse my cell phone to share a
message that could reach themasses. And I think that's what
really changed my life. It wasabout what six, seven years ago,
when I really started, like,exploring the whole digital,
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digital marketing and socialmedia landscape. And man, over
the last five years, I'vereached millions of people
utilizing social media like Itblows my mind, so I stumbled
upon it, out of which is it wasnot nothing planned. I didn't
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plan this, if that makes sense,Angie, do we ever plan to be
doing stuff? And
Angie (04:58):
what I find so interesting? Thing is, you
mentioned that you were on atrajectory psychology, yes. So
then maybe there was a seedthere. It got watered, and it
grew in a different way than youexpected. Because doesn't it
feel like that played out justin a way you didn't expect?
Most,
Mark (05:15):
most definitely, you, oh, my God, you're just making me
realize that right now,actually, because for a very
long time, I always felt like,people need other people that
you know, understand wherethey're coming from, understand
what it what they what they aregoing through. And I almost felt
like, you know, we as a society,we don't often create space for
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people to belong and to heartheir heart and to hear their
burden, to hear their theirpain. So for me, I always wanted
to find ways to be that, to bethe change that I want to see in
the world. Because I grew up notnot seeing that. I come from a
town where it's easy to suppressyour emotions, your feelings,
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your pain, and just go by lifeand you, you know, you just
smoke your pain away, or youdrink your pain away. But when I
came to Jesus, I always feltlike this needs to change, and
it's crazy. I went to I wentinto psychology for the sake of
helping human beings for thesake of helping people, um,
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through life. And it's you'remaking me realize that now,
which is so crazy to me, I'mhaving a moment right now, maybe
Angie (06:35):
some kind of chills, and I, because I, I do believe that
we have, we are all given giftsand a purpose, and in a, usually
a drive to use them. And I knowMark You and I both share that
just very intense love of peopleand I and I it's so interesting
to find the different ways withwhich that manifests itself, and
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the fact that this whole, let'ssay, trajectory or plan that you
thought you had in place or thatwas going to move forward
change. Look at the impact youwere able to have. You ended up
impact. You impact so many morepeople that, if you'd have been,
you know, in psychology or acounselor, yeah,
Mark (07:16):
yeah. It blows my mind. It blows my mind, like I was just
looking at some of my analyticson my YouTube channel alone,
like for the last for 28 daysfrom January 1, 2025 to January
28 and I read it to you becauseI have it up right here in front
of me This, it blows my mind,sis, I've reached over 324,000
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people in just 28 days,
Angie (07:47):
in a month, in
Mark (07:49):
a month in like It's scary how your online influence could
help You reach people you willnever reach in your local
region. Like this thing goes waybeyond you know, your local
reach. You have the potential ofhaving global reach just
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utilizing a YouTube channel orpodcast like yourself, and I'm
pretty sure you got audiences orfollowers that are tuning in
from all around the world, andit's just amazing that we could
utilize these type of tools andand assets to build businesses
and change people's lives.
Angie (08:31):
And I think what is so important is we're not we're not
talking about being a socialmedia star. We're not talking
about, come on. We're talkingabout that all day, and the
scale and the impact and whatyou can do with those things as
vehicles.
Mark (08:50):
Thank you for you need to say that louder for the people
in the back, please. Because alltoo often, people these, these
content creators, and I get why,because it's been pushed in the
media. But we make it aboutnumbers. We make it about how
much money we're making. We makeit about how many followers we
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have, and honestly, it's aboutchanging one person
Angie (09:18):
and you are not that person that now that said yes,
yes, that can actually happen.And I know that's part of your
story too. Is how your lifechanged and was positively
impacted through all this work.So tell me a little bit about
that, because it was, it didn'tset out. You didn't set out to
do that. That was, that was, ina way, the reward for doing the
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work of the gifts and thepurpose. But talk to me a little
bit about how your life haschanged as a byproduct of you
putting yourself out for others.
Mark (09:49):
I would have never thought that I would have the freedom to
create content that puts money.A bank account like I honestly,
you know, I grew up learning yougo to school, get a degree, get
a nice, paying job, work nine tofive, and that's it. Now, like I
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stumbled, I literally ambasically an entrepreneur, where
I'm creating opportunities forpeople to get it connected with
my content, my coachingprograms, whether it be my books
or one on one, you know,whatever it is, and it's like,
wow, I could do this on mytiming, not necessarily a boss
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hovering over me, which is noshade today, I'm not making I
don't want to make it seem likea nine to five is bad, because I
used to work nine to five. It'sjust that I didn't know that I
could create opportunities likethis using social media. And
it's a it's been a blessing inso many ways that I get to be in
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my house, be with my daughter,be with my wife. We both have
the luxury of working from home.Praise God. But so many people
always tell me, like, your kidsgrow fast, and my child is only
three year old, three years oldright now. She's my beautiful
princess, my daughter, and I'vehad the privilege of seeing her
grow up for three years becauseI've been working from home,
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creating content. So like,that's one of the ways, if it
has changed my life. And I haveso many other stories, but if I
want to talk to you about them,Angie will be on here for a long
time, especially because
Angie (11:36):
I feel like you and I are just going to go back and forth.
Like, yeah, I have one of thosetoo, because, speaking of just
where the place from, where wecome, I grew up in a very rural
part of what I would callconservative Pennsylvania, you
know, church every Sunday,sometimes on Wednesday nights.
And it's a small place where alot of people don't aspire to be
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more and also similar to you,generationally, of that kind of
idea that you go, you get one ofthe like, six to eight typical
jobs, typical career tracks thatexisted, you know, when I was
going to college, 25 years ago,and you're going to stay the
course, and, and, but what Ifound was that it was like, I
was like, busting at the seams,and it was because I wanted To
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do something so entrepreneurialand like you have had the, let's
say, the output that's come backto being exactly where I'm
supposed to be. So like, homebuying. Mark and I were sharing
stories before we startedrecording about how, like, we
have both been able to buy homesbecause of our entrepreneurial
endeavors. And it's just oneaspect of, like, why I am super
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passionate about the power thatentrepreneurship has to change
your life, but more importantly,the life of others. And that's
where the impact to usindividually comes is because
you've gone out there with thispurpose and this I'm going to
impact people, and then lookwhat comes of it. It's like the
whole the your whole littleworld gets better and has so
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much more meaning, which is whyI get really, really fired up
about it.
Mark (13:06):
Yes, I agree. Yes, yes.
Angie (13:12):
So I want to talk a little bit about the kind of the
courage it took to get outthere, because to tie back to,
you know, my, my little slipperyslope of an intro where I
revealed the, you know, thepastoral ace and the stigma that
can come with it. Those who arelistening know what I mean when
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I say I struggle with the theidentity component of that as
well, and so I feel like there'sa very heightened aspect around
like the vulnerability it mayhave felt to step out there. And
I talked to a lot of other entreentrepreneurs, or let's say,
want to be content creators whostruggle with that and they feel
like they're going to sounddumb, or people are going to
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make fun of them, or all ofthese other very vulnerable
things. So I'm curious, how didyou find the courage to get out
there and how, even moreimportantly, did you get over
the vulnerability and find a wayto do it in a very authentic
way? I'm
Mark (14:07):
gonna give you the short answer, and then I'm gonna
explain my short answer. I justkept creating. I just kept
putting myself out there. ButI'll tell you this, I was very
afraid when I first started, um,I, I, I'm literally look at me
now. I'm a little comfortabletalking in front of a camera,
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even though I know you're righthere, Angie, and we're live. But
there was a time where I wasshaking up before I press record
and and it was because I knewthat I'm putting my voice out
there, my personality, mythoughts, everybody in the world
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could see how I think, how Itaught. And it was very scary,
very scary. And then it got morescarier when I posted my content
or put my. Stuff out there, andI had critics and people who
said things that were negative,and they called me names and and
I was like, oh my goodness, thisis, this is this is even more
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scarier. But I kept, I keptposting, and I kept creating
content, and it, what reallyhelped me, was the mission and
my why, like Simon Sinek, healways talks about starting with
why, start starting with yourwhy. And he's a brilliant
leader, by the way, but my whyis what really drove me to keep
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going, despite of thechallenges, despite the fear,
despite all the things that Iwas going through, like my
insecurities. You probably don'teven know this. I don't know if
I spoke to talk to you about it,and the thing, I don't know a
lot of things are going on mymind right now, but I was very
insecure with sharing my voice,and very afraid of public
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speaking in general. And I can'tbelieve that
Angie (16:03):
that, and I'm surprised based on how poised you were
when, you know, when chatting onstage, but just even in how
poised you are whencommunicating with like, one on
one, or even here, oh
Mark (16:14):
yeah, it's, I'm telling you, God, God has took me a very
long way, like I was the personthat I took a public speaking
class in college, and I was theperson that was shaking and
sweating when I when I first gotto when I first did my first
public public speaking speech incollege. And I think really
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helped me was clarifying my whyand focusing on my mission. And
for any content creator that'sout there, maybe you're you want
to get started. I think you needto start with your why, like
your Why should drive you increating content. If your why is
not strong enough. You're notgonna you're not gonna go beyond
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the fear to start creating andstart pointing yourself out
there. So that's what reallyhelped me. And you know, it was
interesting. Someone justreached out to me yesterday, a
licensed doctor who works for areally major hospital. She's a
nighttime doctor, and she wantsto explore content creation. And
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I was just talking to heryesterday. I don't even know
her, by the way, I just met heronline, which is crazy, but I
was just encouraging her likebecause she asked me, I don't
know if people would want tohear what I have to share. And I
said, what you are a doctor?First of all, I would want to
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hear
Unknown (17:47):
what you have to say.
Mark (17:50):
You are a doctor, like people come to you to get find
healing and and medication andall that stuff. So that goes to
show you, like there's a lot ofpeople that are thinking about
being content creators. Somesome people are on the fence.
Some people don't want to do itat all. I get it for those of
you who are interested, I wouldencourage you to do it, but make
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sure you have a strong why onwhy you're doing it. Yeah,
Angie (18:18):
that conviction or the why, or feeling that like
purpose, or almost like thiscompulsion, like I can't not do
it is very, very helpful in onemaking you say, I know I need to
put this out there, and whocares whatever anybody else has
to say, and dealing with thosewords of critic, especially
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because, you know, in this, inThis particular instance, we're
talking about a fear of beingout there in a very, very
polarizing area, no matter how,no matter how tactical or PC you
are in your videos, somebody'sgonna laugh. Right? Without that
conviction, it starts to feelvery personal, when in actuality
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it is not it is about the otherperson. They're just projecting
on you. And that could be verypowerful to having that
foundational why, when you'restarting out this kind of stuff,
yes,
Mark (19:10):
I'm curious to know, how do you respond when somebody
comes, comes with you, withtheir negativity, or those
strolls?
Angie (19:18):
You know, I have also been through a journey. He has a
way of doing that. And what Ihave found is that when when
you've been in a place of rockbottom or something that feels
like rock bottom, you start tolearn what matters and what
doesn't matter. And it reallythickens the skin, and to the
point that, like, things rolloff your back, the threshold of
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what seems challenging or whatseems critical just continually
raises, raises, raises andraises. And I think that that's
the case, whether it's socialmedia, whether you own a
business and you're dealing withchallenges in it, we become more
and more conditioned throughfailures and through learning to
be able to tackle things. And Ithink that also to tie back. The
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why makes us even more committedand rooted in it.
Mark (20:04):
That's right, that's so good. That is so good, Angie,
thanks for sharing that. I knowyou got a platform like this.
Podcast is taken off, and I knowsome people might like it, and
some people might got somethingto say about it,
Angie (20:21):
about it that's open. People bring it. I love it, and
this is where I don't know howto be anything other than
unapologetically Angie, right? Itry to do that without being
abrasive and to be lovingly,tactfully, kindfully direct, but
But ultimately, we need to bediscussing stuff more, and if
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you can create a platform for itwithout being polarizing, but
having empathy, our whole world,especially our country, would
get a whole lot better. Andthat's why I think it's
important that if you feel likeyou have something to say, it is
your job, it is your gift, it isyour purpose, you are called to
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put it out there. Because, whoare you to keep that from the
person who needs to hear it?
Mark (21:08):
Whoo, that's a master closet right there. Who are you
to keep that from the person whoneeds to hear it? Oh my gosh.
And that's, that's, that's oneof my that's one of my, like,
man, you, you're I feel likeyou're in my, my, my head, sis,
but I kind of lead with that alot of times, like, as a leader,
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I feel like I have aresponsibility to to to Help
people that I'm called to right?But sometimes I might have these
barriers that are trying to keepme from helping people, and I've
learned to be like, like, hey.First of all, Mark, this ain't
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about you. This ain't about yourcritics. This ain't about your
haters. This ain't about theopposition that you're facing.
You better not allow all ofthese things to keep me from
reaching the people that I'mcalled to reach like and this
like a constant reminder ofmines that I have because I feel
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like people's lives are on theline. Is that clicking when I
share that like people, people'slives are on the line. Like
there's something that, eitheryou share Angie or what I would
share, that could literallychange or transforms somebody's
life for the good. And I kindof, I lead with that in mind.
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Like, Man, this person couldchange their whole family, if
they if they heard this onething, or they jumped on this
podcast, or if they heard thislive stream, like, I don't know,
Angie (22:52):
of those 425,000 people who tuned in your YouTube just
this month, I guarantee you atleast one of those people. Just
12 minute snippet feeling like,oh, right, and that's exactly
why I wanted to do this podcastin the first place, mentally, to
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make people feel like we couldstop being mediocre in our
careers. Come on, that has nowelevated to a new mandate of
having better lives because wehave better careers, but that's
exactly what we're out to do, isgive people the inspiration,
maybe even a little practicaltool or two, to rip the band aid
off and do the thing.
Mark (23:35):
Wow. Sis. Sis, yes, yes. Oh my gosh.
Angie (23:46):
This now. This is now, this is we just preach it now.
So speaking of active actions, Iwant to go back to kind of a
little bit of that, how when youwere in the vulnerable, like,
that vulnerable state of like,trying to get yourself out there
trying to overcome that fear ofspeaking, you know, fear of
criticism. What are a couplelike, practical things somebody
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could do to, just like, inchthemselves forward. So like the
doctor, for instance, if shesays, You know, I feel like I
got something to say, I'm afraidto say it. What do you what do
you tell somebody like that froma practical perspective, in
order to get some inertia.
Mark (24:22):
Ooh, I have so much in my mind. I spew out a few. Yes, I
think a lot of peopleunderestimate the power of
proximity. Being proximate,being proximate, towards being
in proximity. And people who addvalue to your life or being in
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proximity with greatness aroundyou. I am a big advocate for
having mentors and having peoplethat inspire you, that you can
you can call that. You can sayYes, sir. To or yes ma'am too,
that's honoring words. Andhonestly, I've purposely
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surrounded myself with peoplethat pour into me, that remind
me of my call, that remind me ofmy purpose. And that's a
practical thing that I want togive somebody who, who's looking
to get started or experiencingsome level of friction, like,
who are the people that thatadvocate for your next advocate
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for what you're trying toaccomplish, whether it's a
business, whether it's startinga YouTube channel, whether
whatever it is, you need somepeople in your ear that's that's
pouring into you that thatremind you that, hey, there's
greatness inside of you. Sothat's one. Number two, I also
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am a huge person, and I knowthis. You everybody probably
hears this, but I don't think alot of people actually implement
it. And it's the power ofreading books, the power of you
studying your your material,making sure that you know things
like, I didn't just go out, juststarting a YouTube channel, like
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I was learning about this thingin the background, and I'm still
learning it today. You know,even with podcasting be I don't
know if you know this, I used tohave a podcast. I don't have a
podcast anymore. I'm gonna startanother one.
Angie (26:32):
Convincing you to restart that thing.
Mark (26:35):
I've definitely got to get to it. Um, but before I started
one back in the days, yeah,yeah. Y'all reach out to Angie.
If y'all need to learn how tostart a podcast, she'll help me,
for sure. But back in the daysbefore I started it, I did a lot
of research, and I learned thatpodcasting is a billion dollar
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industry, like it's we think, Ithink it's actually in its
infancy stage on the potentialof income and wealth that people
can generate from it, by theway, that's side note, but I did
a lot of studying about it andlearning before I started it.
And I think sometimes we justwant to start without studying
or knowing the ins and the outs,like, example, I got monetized
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on my YouTube channel, which isbeautiful. Like, that's another
income stream for getting paidthrough ads. I don't know really
a lot about it, like, I don'tknow about it, but here's what
I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go studyit. I'm gonna go learn it, make
sure, making sure that I'm I amwithin their guidelines that I
don't get kicked out, like,don't underestimate the power of
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studying your craft or studyingto show yourself approved.
That's a Bible verse, by theway. So that's tactical, um, the
last thing I would say is, don'tworry about being perfect. It's
about making progress, not beingperfect. So and, and, and you
trying to perform. And I'm ahuge perfectionist, by the way,
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so I'm huge on getting thingsright. It's not always about
being perfect. It's about beingwilling. And you're going to
learn that even in yourmistakes, you can still make an
impact. So I don't know ifthat's that's that one's
tactical, that's more soinspirational
Angie (28:31):
than you think, because also, by the way, in your
mistake could be the impact,which I think is super powerful.
Yes, that's good, but the butthe I literally talked about
progress over perfection onLinkedIn last week, because it
is, it is such a thing thatplagues us all, and I think it
is the perfect thing to kind oflike emphasize the fact that you
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do need to be a student. Youneed to be informed. You always
need to be learning, but youhave to balance that with trying
to know absolutely everything,to the point of either
procrastinate or have impostersyndrome, because you're not
going to put it out there whenactually putting it out there is
part of the study.
Mark (29:13):
Somebody do need to write it down. Sis, you need to write
a book. You got books? Oh, Iwill definitely buy your book.
Oh, my gosh,
Angie (29:26):
I actually had somebody in my mastermind just a month or
two ago who was, like, Angie,you think everything could be
solved by a book. And I'm like,like, how many regional ideas
are there out there, really?Which means you can find most
things in some kind of readingmaterial, as evidenced by my
background, for any of those ofyou watching us on video. But
yes, I think what is so amazingabout the tactical piece, the
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three tactical pieces youprovided, is they also still
have a little bit of a higherlevel aspect to them around this
idea, like really beingcognizant and aware of who you
surround yourself with. And.Whether they fail you or deplete
you. And from a tacticalperspective, you can take stock
of that and evaluate the peoplewho who you're and if you don't
have people who are lifting youup and encouraging you and
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challenging you, yes to to stepout of a comfort zone and to
kind of follow that, why youain't surrounded by the right
people,
Mark (30:21):
that's facts. It's true. It's true. And a lot of people,
I'm gonna say one thing aroundthat a lot of people are around
people that are draining them,that are that are preventing
them from fulfilling the calland the purpose that's over
their lives, and I feel like weneed to stop doing that, like
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people's lives are on the line,and people could literally find
the answer to their problem, ifonly we would just answer to the
call that we all have. Becausethe truth is we all have a
unique call and a uniquepurpose. It may be different,
but you still are called, and wejust want, I just want you to
embrace that calling and getaway from people that are
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preventing you from fulfillingthat
Angie (31:12):
energy. Vampires ain't gonna do nothing for your future
progress, however, people thatkill you and being a student,
and putting yourself out therebefore you think it's time or
before you think the thing isperfect, will help you step into
that calling that I also agreethat I feel like we all have
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most people, if they're evenaware of that, don't seek it
out, And that's where you candifferentiate yourself, by being
someone who seeks out thatcalling, that purpose, that why,
and roots everything you do init, because then you're not
going to get you know what'sabout, what anybody else has to
think, except for the people whoare getting a positive message,
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right?
Mark (31:56):
That's so good. That's so good. I
Angie (32:00):
hope we help somebody today. I
Mark (32:03):
believe we did, for sure. Oh yeah.
Angie (32:07):
And also, you know, Mark and I were chatting before we
came online, like he has somestuff going on. I didn't even
tell you, when you told me that,that I got stuff going on, and
I'm like, Man, I don't knowabout doing this podcast today,
but we showed up and we're here,and we were totally because this
was, this was super fun. We haveto say hi to my mom, because she
listens to every single one ofthese. And I know I can just
(32:28):
hear the text message right now,because I'm pretty sure. Sorry.
Mike Brennan, you're going to bethe new favorite mark
Mark (32:38):
that really makes my heart too warm right now.
Angie (32:43):
Let's leave everybody else with a with a little kind
of feel good and and hope,because we were also talking
about something before westarted that I loved your
perspective on, kind of like,what do you think of of no more
Mondays? And you had a very onbrand, kind of little bit of
encouragement that I thought wasthe perfect way to wrap this
episode. So what's yourperspective on no more Mondays?
Mark (33:06):
Mondays shouldn't scare you. And the reason why Mondays
should not scare you is becauseyou have something that you're
pursuing that goes way beyondall your tasks and all the
things, all the things we wedon't got time to name it, but
all those things that reallydrives you nuts. It drives you
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crazy. If you have a why pursuethat? Why make center your life
around that? Why, like mostpeople, the reason why they
don't have a drive to wake upand work or do whatever it is
they need to do on Monday, it'sreally because they don't have a
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strong enough why to go andpursue like do you wake up with
a conviction to either make animpact, and your impact, whether
big or small, whatever we callthat, it could be you providing
for your family, feeding yourchildren, supporting your wife,
saying something that thatliterally lighten up their day.
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All I'm saying is Mondays don'thave to be scary. It doesn't
have to be scary.
Angie (34:21):
No, and they become less scary when you know your why and
you understand the impact youhave. And there is no impact too
big or too small, as long as itis the why you are meant to give
Mark (34:32):
to the world. Come on. Thank you for that.
Angie (34:35):
No more Mondays. No more Mondays.
Mark (34:40):
Listen, I really appreciate you for having me
Angie, like, I really enjoy mytime. I would love to do this
again. I would love to do
Angie (34:48):
it say goodbye, because I'm like, I feel like, super
jazzed, which gets me excitedfor the rest of of my day. And
so I appreciate you. One,giving, giving and making time.
Two. Being willing to lean intoyour call and your why to impact
others, and three, being willingto be vulnerable in order to do
that and sharing that with us.Because somebody needed to hear
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this today, and somebody needsto hear what all of you out
there have to say. So need thecall, and if you need help, Mark
and I are here
Mark (35:18):
absolutely. I appreciate you. Mark LeBron,
Angie (35:22):
everybody, this was just a special episode, and I hope
all of you agree and will reachout to us if we can support you
in your lives, your careers,your you know, social media
initiatives or whatever it is, Iappreciate all of you leaning in
and listening to us for the last35 minutes, and I hope you have
a fantastic week. Forget whatday it is, as you root yourself
in your why and carry on andmake impact in this world, I'll
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see you all again next week foranother episode of no more
Mondays podcast. No
Mark (35:49):
more Mondays. Yeah.
Angie, hello, everybody. It is another Monday morning,
and I am here with your favoritepodcast to start off the week.
No more Mondays. My name isAngie Callen, and I host this
show where I like to think thatyou can have a thriving career
or business and an amazing lifeon your terms. So I bring you
people who not only prove that,but also have awesome advice and
(00:22):
tools to help you live and workmore authentically. I got a new
one for you today. A pastor anda social media influencer walk
onto a podcast. Spoiler alert,they are the same. Yes. Mark
Lebrun is a force to be reckonedwith, as if you can't already
tell I learned that when he andI shared a stage a few months
(00:45):
ago at the thing, which you'veall heard about by now, if you
listen to this podcast more thanonce in the last few weeks, and
he and I hit it off when wediscovered a lot of common
ground across many Life andLeadership topics, believe it or
not, channeled his experience ineducational leadership and
ministry and nonprofits into abooming social media presence
where he's engaged over 10million people with inspiring
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and transformative content. Andthrough that journey into the
unexpected, he found a newpurpose, which is teaching
others how to do the same, howto scale and how to monetize
their presence so we can havethe impact we all want to have.
So you're a creator, a brand, afounder, a nonprofit, anyone
who's just a plain old, goodhuman. It's time to listen up,
(01:28):
because Mark labretta is here topreach. Mark, welcome to no more
Mondays. Oh
Mark (01:33):
my goodness, I feel so exposed, Angie, I didn't think
you were going to talk to peopleor expose the people about me
being a pastor, I try to, like,keep down the low. Sometimes I'm
just messing with you, though.It's okay. I'm alright with
that. It's fine. Part
Angie (01:48):
of your brand and your authenticity, which is what's
right. It's part of who I am.What I love about it is whatever
your belief system is out there,but we won't share them, no
whatever you know, regardless ofany sort of, you know,
theological subject matter here,if you are somebody out there
(02:08):
who's changed careers,contemplated changing careers,
or ever tried to figure out whatyour transferable skills are,
you're sitting here baffled,thinking, How does somebody in
ministry leadership get intosocial media, consult influence
and coaching and consulting, andso I feel like it's very
reasonable out there. We're inthe we are in the business of
giving people hope. That'sanother thing you and I share,
(02:30):
an inspiring thing to explain topeople, like, how did ministry
lead to social media influenceand the business that you're
also now growing?
Mark (02:40):
First of all, that's a really good point that you're
making, and it is part of who Iam. But the reason why I share
like, I try to like, shy awayfrom that is because, you know,
some people got a stigma aboutpastors like, and I don't mind
being called a pastor, but atthe same time, I just don't want
to create any barriers tosomebody not wanting to listen
(03:04):
to who I am and what I'm about.Because if we could be honest,
there's a there's a lot ofnegative talk around church and
faith and religion, but I don'tcare. Honestly, I love Jesus,
Angie (03:19):
which is why I think it's so important for people to hear
that and you admit that thestigma does exist, which already
should tell everyone out therethe kind of person you're
talking to,
Mark (03:29):
yes, and my heart is really to represent the love,
the beauty, the hope of Jesus,bringing gospel influence in
every sector of society. Andthis is why I actually stumbled
across, you know, social mediainfluence and digital marketing.
I was not on the trajectory atall in my career of even
(03:50):
ministry. I was on thetrajectory of becoming a
psychologist. I wanted to be aprofessor, slash a counselor.
And then God was like, I believeyou to helping people through
faith in life. And one of thebeautiful things that really
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transformed me is how I coulduse my cell phone to share a
message that could reach themasses. And I think that's what
really changed my life. It wasabout what six, seven years ago,
when I really started, like,exploring the whole digital,
(04:31):
digital marketing and socialmedia landscape. And man, over
the last five years, I'vereached millions of people
utilizing social media like Itblows my mind, so I stumbled
upon it, out of which is it wasnot nothing planned. I didn't
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plan this, if that makes sense,Angie, do we ever plan to be
doing stuff? And
Angie (04:58):
what I find so interesting? Thing is, you
mentioned that you were on atrajectory psychology, yes. So
then maybe there was a seedthere. It got watered, and it
grew in a different way than youexpected. Because doesn't it
feel like that played out justin a way you didn't expect?
Most,
Mark (05:15):
most definitely, you, oh, my God, you're just making me
realize that right now,actually, because for a very
long time, I always felt like,people need other people that
you know, understand wherethey're coming from, understand
what it what they what they aregoing through. And I almost felt
like, you know, we as a society,we don't often create space for
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people to belong and to heartheir heart and to hear their
burden, to hear their theirpain. So for me, I always wanted
to find ways to be that, to bethe change that I want to see in
the world. Because I grew up notnot seeing that. I come from a
town where it's easy to suppressyour emotions, your feelings,
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your pain, and just go by lifeand you, you know, you just
smoke your pain away, or youdrink your pain away. But when I
came to Jesus, I always feltlike this needs to change, and
it's crazy. I went to I wentinto psychology for the sake of
helping human beings for thesake of helping people, um,
(06:25):
through life. And it's you'remaking me realize that now,
which is so crazy to me, I'mhaving a moment right now, maybe
Angie (06:35):
some kind of chills, and I, because I, I do believe that
we have, we are all given giftsand a purpose, and in a, usually
a drive to use them. And I knowMark You and I both share that
just very intense love of peopleand I and I it's so interesting
to find the different ways withwhich that manifests itself, and
(06:57):
the fact that this whole, let'ssay, trajectory or plan that you
thought you had in place or thatwas going to move forward
change. Look at the impact youwere able to have. You ended up
impact. You impact so many morepeople that, if you'd have been,
you know, in psychology or acounselor, yeah,
Mark (07:16):
yeah. It blows my mind. It blows my mind, like I was just
looking at some of my analyticson my YouTube channel alone,
like for the last for 28 daysfrom January 1, 2025 to January
28 and I read it to you becauseI have it up right here in front
of me This, it blows my mind,sis, I've reached over 324,000
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people in just 28 days,
Angie (07:47):
in a month, in
Mark (07:49):
a month in like It's scary how your online influence could
help You reach people you willnever reach in your local
region. Like this thing goes waybeyond you know, your local
reach. You have the potential ofhaving global reach just
(08:11):
utilizing a YouTube channel orpodcast like yourself, and I'm
pretty sure you got audiences orfollowers that are tuning in
from all around the world, andit's just amazing that we could
utilize these type of tools andand assets to build businesses
and change people's lives.
Angie (08:31):
And I think what is so important is we're not we're not
talking about being a socialmedia star. We're not talking
about, come on. We're talkingabout that all day, and the
scale and the impact and whatyou can do with those things as
vehicles.
Mark (08:50):
Thank you for you need to say that louder for the people
in the back, please. Because alltoo often, people these, these
content creators, and I get why,because it's been pushed in the
media. But we make it aboutnumbers. We make it about how
much money we're making. We makeit about how many followers we
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have, and honestly, it's aboutchanging one person
Angie (09:18):
and you are not that person that now that said yes,
yes, that can actually happen.And I know that's part of your
story too. Is how your lifechanged and was positively
impacted through all this work.So tell me a little bit about
that, because it was, it didn'tset out. You didn't set out to
do that. That was, that was, ina way, the reward for doing the
(09:39):
work of the gifts and thepurpose. But talk to me a little
bit about how your life haschanged as a byproduct of you
putting yourself out for others.
Mark (09:49):
I would have never thought that I would have the freedom to
create content that puts money.A bank account like I honestly,
you know, I grew up learning yougo to school, get a degree, get
a nice, paying job, work nine tofive, and that's it. Now, like I
(10:15):
stumbled, I literally ambasically an entrepreneur, where
I'm creating opportunities forpeople to get it connected with
my content, my coachingprograms, whether it be my books
or one on one, you know,whatever it is, and it's like,
wow, I could do this on mytiming, not necessarily a boss
(10:39):
hovering over me, which is noshade today, I'm not making I
don't want to make it seem likea nine to five is bad, because I
used to work nine to five. It'sjust that I didn't know that I
could create opportunities likethis using social media. And
it's a it's been a blessing inso many ways that I get to be in
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my house, be with my daughter,be with my wife. We both have
the luxury of working from home.Praise God. But so many people
always tell me, like, your kidsgrow fast, and my child is only
three year old, three years oldright now. She's my beautiful
princess, my daughter, and I'vehad the privilege of seeing her
grow up for three years becauseI've been working from home,
(11:23):
creating content. So like,that's one of the ways, if it
has changed my life. And I haveso many other stories, but if I
want to talk to you about them,Angie will be on here for a long
time, especially because
Angie (11:36):
I feel like you and I are just going to go back and forth.
Like, yeah, I have one of thosetoo, because, speaking of just
where the place from, where wecome, I grew up in a very rural
part of what I would callconservative Pennsylvania, you
know, church every Sunday,sometimes on Wednesday nights.
And it's a small place where alot of people don't aspire to be
(11:59):
more and also similar to you,generationally, of that kind of
idea that you go, you get one ofthe like, six to eight typical
jobs, typical career tracks thatexisted, you know, when I was
going to college, 25 years ago,and you're going to stay the
course, and, and, but what Ifound was that it was like, I
was like, busting at the seams,and it was because I wanted To
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do something so entrepreneurialand like you have had the, let's
say, the output that's come backto being exactly where I'm
supposed to be. So like, homebuying. Mark and I were sharing
stories before we startedrecording about how, like, we
have both been able to buy homesbecause of our entrepreneurial
endeavors. And it's just oneaspect of, like, why I am super
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passionate about the power thatentrepreneurship has to change
your life, but more importantly,the life of others. And that's
where the impact to usindividually comes is because
you've gone out there with thispurpose and this I'm going to
impact people, and then lookwhat comes of it. It's like the
whole the your whole littleworld gets better and has so
(13:03):
much more meaning, which is whyI get really, really fired up
about it.
Mark (13:06):
Yes, I agree. Yes, yes.
Angie (13:12):
So I want to talk a little bit about the kind of the
courage it took to get outthere, because to tie back to,
you know, my, my little slipperyslope of an intro where I
revealed the, you know, thepastoral ace and the stigma that
can come with it. Those who arelistening know what I mean when
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I say I struggle with the theidentity component of that as
well, and so I feel like there'sa very heightened aspect around
like the vulnerability it mayhave felt to step out there. And
I talked to a lot of other entreentrepreneurs, or let's say,
want to be content creators whostruggle with that and they feel
like they're going to sounddumb, or people are going to
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make fun of them, or all ofthese other very vulnerable
things. So I'm curious, how didyou find the courage to get out
there and how, even moreimportantly, did you get over
the vulnerability and find a wayto do it in a very authentic
way? I'm
Mark (14:07):
gonna give you the short answer, and then I'm gonna
explain my short answer. I justkept creating. I just kept
putting myself out there. ButI'll tell you this, I was very
afraid when I first started, um,I, I, I'm literally look at me
now. I'm a little comfortabletalking in front of a camera,
(14:29):
even though I know you're righthere, Angie, and we're live. But
there was a time where I wasshaking up before I press record
and and it was because I knewthat I'm putting my voice out
there, my personality, mythoughts, everybody in the world
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could see how I think, how Itaught. And it was very scary,
very scary. And then it got morescarier when I posted my content
or put my. Stuff out there, andI had critics and people who
said things that were negative,and they called me names and and
I was like, oh my goodness, thisis, this is this is even more
(15:11):
scarier. But I kept, I keptposting, and I kept creating
content, and it, what reallyhelped me, was the mission and
my why, like Simon Sinek, healways talks about starting with
why, start starting with yourwhy. And he's a brilliant
leader, by the way, but my whyis what really drove me to keep
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going, despite of thechallenges, despite the fear,
despite all the things that Iwas going through, like my
insecurities. You probably don'teven know this. I don't know if
I spoke to talk to you about it,and the thing, I don't know a
lot of things are going on mymind right now, but I was very
insecure with sharing my voice,and very afraid of public
(15:57):
speaking in general. And I can'tbelieve that
Angie (16:03):
that, and I'm surprised based on how poised you were
when, you know, when chatting onstage, but just even in how
poised you are whencommunicating with like, one on
one, or even here, oh
Mark (16:14):
yeah, it's, I'm telling you, God, God has took me a very
long way, like I was the personthat I took a public speaking
class in college, and I was theperson that was shaking and
sweating when I when I first gotto when I first did my first
public public speaking speech incollege. And I think really
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helped me was clarifying my whyand focusing on my mission. And
for any content creator that'sout there, maybe you're you want
to get started. I think you needto start with your why, like
your Why should drive you increating content. If your why is
not strong enough. You're notgonna you're not gonna go beyond
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the fear to start creating andstart pointing yourself out
there. So that's what reallyhelped me. And you know, it was
interesting. Someone justreached out to me yesterday, a
licensed doctor who works for areally major hospital. She's a
nighttime doctor, and she wantsto explore content creation. And
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I was just talking to heryesterday. I don't even know
her, by the way, I just met heronline, which is crazy, but I
was just encouraging her likebecause she asked me, I don't
know if people would want tohear what I have to share. And I
said, what you are a doctor?First of all, I would want to
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hear
Unknown (17:47):
what you have to say.
Mark (17:50):
You are a doctor, like people come to you to get find
healing and and medication andall that stuff. So that goes to
show you, like there's a lot ofpeople that are thinking about
being content creators. Somesome people are on the fence.
Some people don't want to do itat all. I get it for those of
you who are interested, I wouldencourage you to do it, but make
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sure you have a strong why onwhy you're doing it. Yeah,
Angie (18:18):
that conviction or the why, or feeling that like
purpose, or almost like thiscompulsion, like I can't not do
it is very, very helpful in onemaking you say, I know I need to
put this out there, and whocares whatever anybody else has
to say, and dealing with thosewords of critic, especially
(18:38):
because, you know, in this, inThis particular instance, we're
talking about a fear of beingout there in a very, very
polarizing area, no matter how,no matter how tactical or PC you
are in your videos, somebody'sgonna laugh. Right? Without that
conviction, it starts to feelvery personal, when in actuality
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it is not it is about the otherperson. They're just projecting
on you. And that could be verypowerful to having that
foundational why, when you'restarting out this kind of stuff,
yes,
Mark (19:10):
I'm curious to know, how do you respond when somebody
comes, comes with you, withtheir negativity, or those
strolls?
Angie (19:18):
You know, I have also been through a journey. He has a
way of doing that. And what Ihave found is that when when
you've been in a place of rockbottom or something that feels
like rock bottom, you start tolearn what matters and what
doesn't matter. And it reallythickens the skin, and to the
point that, like, things rolloff your back, the threshold of
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what seems challenging or whatseems critical just continually
raises, raises, raises andraises. And I think that that's
the case, whether it's socialmedia, whether you own a
business and you're dealing withchallenges in it, we become more
and more conditioned throughfailures and through learning to
be able to tackle things. And Ithink that also to tie back. The
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why makes us even more committedand rooted in it.
Mark (20:04):
That's right, that's so good. That is so good, Angie,
thanks for sharing that. I knowyou got a platform like this.
Podcast is taken off, and I knowsome people might like it, and
some people might got somethingto say about it,
Angie (20:21):
about it that's open. People bring it. I love it, and
this is where I don't know howto be anything other than
unapologetically Angie, right? Itry to do that without being
abrasive and to be lovingly,tactfully, kindfully direct, but
But ultimately, we need to bediscussing stuff more, and if
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you can create a platform for itwithout being polarizing, but
having empathy, our whole world,especially our country, would
get a whole lot better. Andthat's why I think it's
important that if you feel likeyou have something to say, it is
your job, it is your gift, it isyour purpose, you are called to
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put it out there. Because, whoare you to keep that from the
person who needs to hear it?
Mark (21:08):
Whoo, that's a master closet right there. Who are you
to keep that from the person whoneeds to hear it? Oh my gosh.
And that's, that's, that's oneof my that's one of my, like,
man, you, you're I feel likeyou're in my, my, my head, sis,
but I kind of lead with that alot of times, like, as a leader,
(21:32):
I feel like I have aresponsibility to to to Help
people that I'm called to right?But sometimes I might have these
barriers that are trying to keepme from helping people, and I've
learned to be like, like, hey.First of all, Mark, this ain't
(21:53):
about you. This ain't about yourcritics. This ain't about your
haters. This ain't about theopposition that you're facing.
You better not allow all ofthese things to keep me from
reaching the people that I'mcalled to reach like and this
like a constant reminder ofmines that I have because I feel
(22:14):
like people's lives are on theline. Is that clicking when I
share that like people, people'slives are on the line. Like
there's something that, eitheryou share Angie or what I would
share, that could literallychange or transforms somebody's
life for the good. And I kindof, I lead with that in mind.
(22:38):
Like, Man, this person couldchange their whole family, if
they if they heard this onething, or they jumped on this
podcast, or if they heard thislive stream, like, I don't know,
Angie (22:52):
of those 425,000 people who tuned in your YouTube just
this month, I guarantee you atleast one of those people. Just
12 minute snippet feeling like,oh, right, and that's exactly
why I wanted to do this podcastin the first place, mentally, to
(23:13):
make people feel like we couldstop being mediocre in our
careers. Come on, that has nowelevated to a new mandate of
having better lives because wehave better careers, but that's
exactly what we're out to do, isgive people the inspiration,
maybe even a little practicaltool or two, to rip the band aid
off and do the thing.
Mark (23:35):
Wow. Sis. Sis, yes, yes. Oh my gosh.
Angie (23:46):
This now. This is now, this is we just preach it now.
So speaking of active actions, Iwant to go back to kind of a
little bit of that, how when youwere in the vulnerable, like,
that vulnerable state of like,trying to get yourself out there
trying to overcome that fear ofspeaking, you know, fear of
criticism. What are a couplelike, practical things somebody
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could do to, just like, inchthemselves forward. So like the
doctor, for instance, if shesays, You know, I feel like I
got something to say, I'm afraidto say it. What do you what do
you tell somebody like that froma practical perspective, in
order to get some inertia.
Mark (24:22):
Ooh, I have so much in my mind. I spew out a few. Yes, I
think a lot of peopleunderestimate the power of
proximity. Being proximate,being proximate, towards being
in proximity. And people who addvalue to your life or being in
(24:44):
proximity with greatness aroundyou. I am a big advocate for
having mentors and having peoplethat inspire you, that you can
you can call that. You can sayYes, sir. To or yes ma'am too,
that's honoring words. Andhonestly, I've purposely
(25:07):
surrounded myself with peoplethat pour into me, that remind
me of my call, that remind me ofmy purpose. And that's a
practical thing that I want togive somebody who, who's looking
to get started or experiencingsome level of friction, like,
who are the people that thatadvocate for your next advocate
(25:34):
for what you're trying toaccomplish, whether it's a
business, whether it's startinga YouTube channel, whether
whatever it is, you need somepeople in your ear that's that's
pouring into you that thatremind you that, hey, there's
greatness inside of you. Sothat's one. Number two, I also
(25:55):
am a huge person, and I knowthis. You everybody probably
hears this, but I don't think alot of people actually implement
it. And it's the power ofreading books, the power of you
studying your your material,making sure that you know things
like, I didn't just go out, juststarting a YouTube channel, like
(26:17):
I was learning about this thingin the background, and I'm still
learning it today. You know,even with podcasting be I don't
know if you know this, I used tohave a podcast. I don't have a
podcast anymore. I'm gonna startanother one.
Angie (26:32):
Convincing you to restart that thing.
Mark (26:35):
I've definitely got to get to it. Um, but before I started
one back in the days, yeah,yeah. Y'all reach out to Angie.
If y'all need to learn how tostart a podcast, she'll help me,
for sure. But back in the daysbefore I started it, I did a lot
of research, and I learned thatpodcasting is a billion dollar
(26:56):
industry, like it's we think, Ithink it's actually in its
infancy stage on the potentialof income and wealth that people
can generate from it, by theway, that's side note, but I did
a lot of studying about it andlearning before I started it.
And I think sometimes we justwant to start without studying
or knowing the ins and the outs,like, example, I got monetized
(27:23):
on my YouTube channel, which isbeautiful. Like, that's another
income stream for getting paidthrough ads. I don't know really
a lot about it, like, I don'tknow about it, but here's what
I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go studyit. I'm gonna go learn it, make
sure, making sure that I'm I amwithin their guidelines that I
don't get kicked out, like,don't underestimate the power of
(27:47):
studying your craft or studyingto show yourself approved.
That's a Bible verse, by theway. So that's tactical, um, the
last thing I would say is, don'tworry about being perfect. It's
about making progress, not beingperfect. So and, and, and you
trying to perform. And I'm ahuge perfectionist, by the way,
(28:11):
so I'm huge on getting thingsright. It's not always about
being perfect. It's about beingwilling. And you're going to
learn that even in yourmistakes, you can still make an
impact. So I don't know ifthat's that's that one's
tactical, that's more soinspirational
Angie (28:31):
than you think, because also, by the way, in your
mistake could be the impact,which I think is super powerful.
Yes, that's good, but the butthe I literally talked about
progress over perfection onLinkedIn last week, because it
is, it is such a thing thatplagues us all, and I think it
is the perfect thing to kind oflike emphasize the fact that you
(28:55):
do need to be a student. Youneed to be informed. You always
need to be learning, but youhave to balance that with trying
to know absolutely everything,to the point of either
procrastinate or have impostersyndrome, because you're not
going to put it out there whenactually putting it out there is
part of the study.
Mark (29:13):
Somebody do need to write it down. Sis, you need to write
a book. You got books? Oh, Iwill definitely buy your book.
Oh, my gosh,
Angie (29:26):
I actually had somebody in my mastermind just a month or
two ago who was, like, Angie,you think everything could be
solved by a book. And I'm like,like, how many regional ideas
are there out there, really?Which means you can find most
things in some kind of readingmaterial, as evidenced by my
background, for any of those ofyou watching us on video. But
yes, I think what is so amazingabout the tactical piece, the
(29:49):
three tactical pieces youprovided, is they also still
have a little bit of a higherlevel aspect to them around this
idea, like really beingcognizant and aware of who you
surround yourself with. And.Whether they fail you or deplete
you. And from a tacticalperspective, you can take stock
of that and evaluate the peoplewho who you're and if you don't
have people who are lifting youup and encouraging you and
(30:11):
challenging you, yes to to stepout of a comfort zone and to
kind of follow that, why youain't surrounded by the right
people,
Mark (30:21):
that's facts. It's true. It's true. And a lot of people,
I'm gonna say one thing aroundthat a lot of people are around
people that are draining them,that are that are preventing
them from fulfilling the calland the purpose that's over
their lives, and I feel like weneed to stop doing that, like
(30:45):
people's lives are on the line,and people could literally find
the answer to their problem, ifonly we would just answer to the
call that we all have. Becausethe truth is we all have a
unique call and a uniquepurpose. It may be different,
but you still are called, and wejust want, I just want you to
embrace that calling and getaway from people that are
(31:09):
preventing you from fulfillingthat
Angie (31:12):
energy. Vampires ain't gonna do nothing for your future
progress, however, people thatkill you and being a student,
and putting yourself out therebefore you think it's time or
before you think the thing isperfect, will help you step into
that calling that I also agreethat I feel like we all have
(31:34):
most people, if they're evenaware of that, don't seek it
out, And that's where you candifferentiate yourself, by being
someone who seeks out thatcalling, that purpose, that why,
and roots everything you do init, because then you're not
going to get you know what'sabout, what anybody else has to
think, except for the people whoare getting a positive message,
(31:55):
right?
Mark (31:56):
That's so good. That's so good. I
Angie (32:00):
hope we help somebody today. I
Mark (32:03):
believe we did, for sure. Oh yeah.
Angie (32:07):
And also, you know, Mark and I were chatting before we
came online, like he has somestuff going on. I didn't even
tell you, when you told me that,that I got stuff going on, and
I'm like, Man, I don't knowabout doing this podcast today,
but we showed up and we're here,and we were totally because this
was, this was super fun. We haveto say hi to my mom, because she
listens to every single one ofthese. And I know I can just
(32:28):
hear the text message right now,because I'm pretty sure. Sorry.
Mike Brennan, you're going to bethe new favorite mark
Mark (32:38):
that really makes my heart too warm right now.
Angie (32:43):
Let's leave everybody else with a with a little kind
of feel good and and hope,because we were also talking
about something before westarted that I loved your
perspective on, kind of like,what do you think of of no more
Mondays? And you had a very onbrand, kind of little bit of
encouragement that I thought wasthe perfect way to wrap this
episode. So what's yourperspective on no more Mondays?
Mark (33:06):
Mondays shouldn't scare you. And the reason why Mondays
should not scare you is becauseyou have something that you're
pursuing that goes way beyondall your tasks and all the
things, all the things we wedon't got time to name it, but
all those things that reallydrives you nuts. It drives you
(33:27):
crazy. If you have a why pursuethat? Why make center your life
around that? Why, like mostpeople, the reason why they
don't have a drive to wake upand work or do whatever it is
they need to do on Monday, it'sreally because they don't have a
(33:51):
strong enough why to go andpursue like do you wake up with
a conviction to either make animpact, and your impact, whether
big or small, whatever we callthat, it could be you providing
for your family, feeding yourchildren, supporting your wife,
saying something that thatliterally lighten up their day.
(34:15):
All I'm saying is Mondays don'thave to be scary. It doesn't
have to be scary.
Angie (34:21):
No, and they become less scary when you know your why and
you understand the impact youhave. And there is no impact too
big or too small, as long as itis the why you are meant to give
Mark (34:32):
to the world. Come on. Thank you for that.
Angie (34:35):
No more Mondays. No more Mondays.
Mark (34:40):
Listen, I really appreciate you for having me
Angie, like, I really enjoy mytime. I would love to do this
again. I would love to do
Angie (34:48):
it say goodbye, because I'm like, I feel like, super
jazzed, which gets me excitedfor the rest of of my day. And
so I appreciate you. One,giving, giving and making time.
Two. Being willing to lean intoyour call and your why to impact
others, and three, being willingto be vulnerable in order to do
that and sharing that with us.Because somebody needed to hear
(35:10):
this today, and somebody needsto hear what all of you out
there have to say. So need thecall, and if you need help, Mark
and I are here
Mark (35:18):
absolutely. I appreciate you. Mark LeBron,
Angie (35:22):
everybody, this was just a special episode, and I hope
all of you agree and will reachout to us if we can support you
in your lives, your careers,your you know, social media
initiatives or whatever it is, Iappreciate all of you leaning in
and listening to us for the last35 minutes, and I hope you have
a fantastic week. Forget whatday it is, as you root yourself
in your why and carry on andmake impact in this world, I'll
(35:45):
see you all again next week foranother episode of no more
Mondays podcast. No
Mark (35:49):
more Mondays. Yeah.
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