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February 24, 2025 92 mins

In this episode, we speak with Justin Lee about navigating difference and division in a polarised world. Justin shares his journey reconciling his identity as a gay man with his evangelical Christian upbringing, a path that led to his work fostering dialogue across divides. He explores the challenges of echo chambers, the instinct to fight or avoid disagreement, and the power of listening, storytelling, and empathy in building bridges. It's a conversation about the courage to hold space for complexity—and for hope.

After the interview, Tim Nash and Nick Thorley reflect on their own bumpy road of navigating difference.

Interview starts at 14m 23s 

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