April 8, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode of Nurses with Voices, Dr. Lendra and Adrian Espinosa discuss the Nurse Shift Change Movement, emphasizing the importance of advocating for patients and creating safe spaces within the nursing community. They explore the significance of mentorship, the need for inclusiveness in the workforce, and the role of nurses in political advocacy. The conversation highlights the collective responsibility of nurses to unite and drive meaningful change in healthcare.
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Takeaways
The Nurse Shift Change Movement aims to prioritize patient advocacy.
Creating safe spaces for nurses is essential for open dialogue.
Mentorship plays a crucial role in the growth of nurses.
Inclusiveness in the nursing workforce is vital for effective care.
Nurses must lend their voices to address workplace challenges.
The importance of unity among nurses to drive change.
Sharing personal experiences can inspire others in the community.
Political advocacy is necessary for healthcare reform.
Nurses should not be afraid to engage in difficult conversations.
Empowerment comes from collaboration and support within the nursing community.
Sound Bites
"We want to take a stand for patients."
"We need to create a safe space."
"We need to advocate for healthcare."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Nurse Shift Change Movement
01:52 Adrian Espinosa: A Voice for Change
06:52 The Society of Latinx Nurses: Building Community
12:03 The Importance of Mentorship in Nursing
18:02 Advocating for Diversity and Inclusion
22:15 Empowering Nurses in Politics and Advocacy
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(00:00):
And we have a special edition podcast series that I
wanted to invite you all to continue to listen to over the next few
weeks. I have here today I have Adrienne Espinosa.
Adrienne Espinosa is our first guest. Over the next few weeks, you'll
hear from more nurses from upon and how can
increasing what do you. What do you think you know, how can
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we increase the visibility and diversity
within our workforce in helping to change or
address these challenges and create a more supportive
environment? Even having to talk about it and acknowledge it, it is
unfortunate to think that even in the most trusted profession that we still experience
this and that we see it.
Welcome
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back
to
another
episode
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of
Nurses
with voices. I'm Dr. Lendra and we have a special edition
podcast series that I wanted to invite you all to
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continue to listen to. Over the next few weeks, the United Party of
Nurses have united to discuss a
movement of placing patients over politics. With everything going on
in the administration, we have decided that we want to take a stand
for patients, advocate for patients, for
policy changes, for just a movement that's going to
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enhance access to help with our inequities that we're
seeing right now. And I have here today, I have Adrian
Espinosa. Adrian Espinosa is our first guest.
Over the next few weeks, you'll hear from more nurses from upon who
will be sharing with you how they're leading change and what impact
they're making throughout their states and throughout their
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organizations. And I want to introduce Adrian. Adrian
is the son of a Mexican immigrant and a dedicated health care leader.
He's earned a BA in Biology, Master's of Public health,
and an advanced practice nurse from University of California, San
Francisco. Adrienne is the Co founder of Supernova foundation, supporting
domestic violence survivors and awarding scholarships. And he's
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also co founded the Society of Latinx Nurses to promote
diversity and inclusion in nursing. Recognized as
a UCSF alumni awardee. UCSF
alumni, as am I. And a 40 under 40 rising
nurse leader, Adrian continues to advocate for equity and excellence in
healthcare. Adrian, thank you so much for joining today. I
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am really looking forward to jumping into this conversation because the
movement, the nurse shift movement, is going to be powerful.
And I want to start by saying that there's going to be a
rally on May 24 that is being organized in the process.
And while we're organizing this, this rally, this movement, I should
say we want to come together and really let you hear from
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the leaders who are a part of this committee so
that you can see exactly what we're doing and that you can
understand. And we want you to join us in this movement. And
today you're going to hear from Adrian. I just gave his PINS introduction and
I'm going to let you hear from him. And I want to start with
what made you want to be a part of this nurse shift change
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movement. So first of all, Dr. Linda, thank you so much for allowing me to
share this space with you. I'm really honored and flattered to be here and kicking
off this series among many great leaders that we have on this. And
that's just the thing. When you hear a calling, when you have people reach out
in the community that you see from other organizations that inspire you,
like the DMPs of color and other national organizations,
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and you hear that, you know, we're feeling the same
sort of distraught, we're feeling the same frustrations, we're hearing it from our
communities. I think it's a time when a lot of us gravitate towards, whether it
be faith, whether it be our families, whether it be our communities. And for us,
our community is our nursing family. And I think that seeing what's
transpiring in many aspects, without going to detail at this moment
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around us in the world, in the nation, but how it's trickling down, affecting us
in our workplace, in our programming, and just how we're working with our patients,
you can't help but feel this innate need to help, this
innate need to join together and see what we can do to be a voice.
Because I've been part of that community where growing up, I would
see family members, friends, you know, sometimes not have that voice or that
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understanding or that access to healthcare. And that's part of the reason why I wanted
to be a nurse and an advanced practice nurse. And now that we have this
platform, I think it's a blessing. And it's also a call to duty to be
able to band together with other inspiring nurses leaders to see how we can come
together and support each other first of all, but also put our voices together in
order to hopefully create positive change. And hence nurses with voices.
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Right? And aside from nurses with voices, it's, you know, it's
that unity, right? It's that coming together, having those core
values with the mission of Nurse of change, and it's really about
shifting change. And this is how we do it, by uniting and coming together.
At Nurses is one of the most trusted profession,
and yet we still struggle with issues like lateral
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incivility, bullying, even racism among our
own. And how can increasing.
What do you. What do you think? You know, how can we increase
the visibility and diversity within
our workforce and help helping to change or address
these challenges and create a more supportive environment? Even
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having to talk about it and acknowledge it, it is unfortunate to think that even
in the most trusted profession that we still experience this and that we see it.
I've experienced it on a smaller scale, but I've experienced it, I've seen colleagues
experience it on a larger scale, and it breaks my heart. And these are the
moments where you kind of think like, hey, what do we need to do in
order to make change and create change? Because this is not okay. And I think
one of the first things that we always have to remember is that we need
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to talk about it. Sometimes we're afraid to speak, we're afraid to speak up.
Sometimes we're not sure how to speak up or who to approach. And I think
that lending your voice is very important because sometimes we feel
like we're the only one going through it or, you know, nobody else, you know,
or I don't want to sound a certain way or like I'm not strong enough
in my own, you know, educational background or experience.
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But sometimes we'd be surprised when we bring these issues up or when we share
our experience. Others will reach out to you and say, I went through the same
thing. Thank you for sharing. I thought I was the only one. And I think
these are the things that kind of remind us that it's so important to share
our voice and lend our voice, because if people don't hear what's going on, they
might think, like, they're the only ones in their silos and that nobody else is
experiencing it. With this comes visibility right if we talk about it, if we share
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the experiences, if we let people know, this is not okay. And we stand firm,
for example, in our missions and our policies, whether it be in the workplace environment,
your organizations, and letting people know, you know, this is a safe space. This is
a place where we do not tolerate racism. We don't tolerate bullying. Okay, maybe we
weren't aware of how we said something and that's okay. Sometimes people might
not be as educated as some of us may be. Sometimes we are not as
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educated as we think in maybe how we express ourselves or how we identify our
view of the communities. And these are moments also to be able to take a
step back and say, oh, I apologize, I wasn't aware I might have offended you.
How can I learn from this experience and be a better
advocate, be a better communicator? So I think these are opportunities where we have to
remember creating safe spaces. Creating spaces where we can actually share
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knowledge and support each other is very important on the larger scale.
For example, as some of us may know, the American Nurses association created
the Committee to Address Racism. And I think banding together
with multi professional organizations, leaders in the community,
and having these tough, tough, tough conversations, they're not easy. They're not easy.
They're never easy. But having the conversations and being transparent and actually
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working towards solutions and working towards trainings, speaking
engagements, et cetera, where people can learn about it and like I said, have the
dialogue, have it out there, be visible. I think it's really important for us to
be able to sort of create change and be visible and let people know that
it is taking place and it is happening. No, no, I think that that's
right. Everything you said something that I probably should have
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asked you before we dived right in and because I
kind of just, I want to go back to. So, Ellen, can you share
a little bit about what that is, what that movement is about?
What, you know, tell me a little bit about what you do as a co
founder. Talk a little bit about that. Yes. So
growing up, you know, I, I always knew I wanted to go into the health
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and medical field and, and typically being a, a Latino male, you
never hear, oh, be a nurse, you know, you might hear, be a doctor, you
know, and other health careers. And so a lot of times I
had to navigate throughout growing up in my education, being one of the few brown
kids in my programming, in my university classes,
sometimes feeling like I had to study a little bit harder, sometimes having
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to reach out for the resources and find others who would support My study
habits and being able to navigate through all that. And as you
grow into your profession, I think you start to realize that it's also important
not just with the didactic and what we're learning in school, it's also
important to surround yourself around a community that understands what you're
experiencing, whether it be in that, for example, as a provider, the stressors of working
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in primary health, the stressors of the limited resources at times, the difficult
cases that you go through. And these are opportunities for us to, you know, band
together with other like minded folks and also folks who understand what
we're experiencing during COVID and just to sort of, I mean, this is a
trajectory, right, of what's going on in the life of myself and others. But
I think during COVID we identified a need for those safe spaces. A lot of
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us were going through a lot of microaggressions, experiencing that bullying,
witnessing that racism while working in the, you know, in the
hospitals and clinics and just trying to get through those days, you know, initially when
we didn't have a vaccine for Covid, et cetera. And I think this brought out
a lot of, like I mentioned, these macro aggressions and many of my peers
that I saw and that they were seen in their respective states, you know,
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Chicago, Texas, California, I started to feel that
we didn't have that space to be able to share with each other,
to be able to support each other the way that we wanted to. You know,
sometimes we might be involved with other organizations, but you know, not every,
every shoe doesn't fit, you know, always. And we should always have options.
And I think through these experiences we identified a need to
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create a safe space, especially for us being Latino and,
and seeing some of us that work in these communities where there are a lot
of Latino patients, but yet not enough of us that reflect that patient population.
We discussed, you know, what can we do? You know, there's a
lot of us have learned that being an organization is very important. Building family and
community is very important. Let's move together here and band together and see if we
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can support each other and create somewhere where we are
strong in our mission statement, as I mentioned earlier, and where we
also make sure that we are very clear that we are creating this,
we are creating this space because we do not want any types of incivility,
lateral instability taking place within our own organization. We do not want
folks to feel like they can't speak up for fear of being bullied. So with
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that platform, we moved forward and decided to form the society of
Atlantic Nurses. And we refer to it as solen, as the acronym
solen, the Society Atlantic Nurses. And we're very proud and very purposeful too
in our branding because we have one of the former Aztec gods under the
Malinali, as you call it, which is a reference to medicine and Earth.
And we thought that was very important to take it back to our roots and
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remember that as a community, you know, we are steadfast in our roots
and that's how we grow as a tree and the leaves and we expand.
So it was very important to us to create this space. And it's been a
Blessing to see Dr. Lindra just the community gravitate and to feel like,
you know, this is something that I want and I need it. And, you know,
yes, everybody is involved in many platforms, other
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organizations. We welcome that. I think it's beautiful when we can combine and
join organizations that might fit certain needs that we have, you know, because not
everybody might be the whole fit, but this is something that has provided a
space for us to be able to come together. And now we're very blessed and
fortunate to be moving forward and working on the national level, on
policies, local level, working our communities and just still
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growing as a newer organization, but definitely one that's respected
because of our amazing colleagues and our amazing leadership and board that we have from
across the United States. So I'm very thankful that we were able to come together
and form Solen. And I think that's part of also my call of duty now,
being one of the co founders and current president and being able to work with
amazing leaders like yourself and others and to really learn from each other
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and to continue to grow as an organization to see how we can support
the injustices that are taking place in our communities. Thank you for sharing that. And
I think that is a better segue. This is why I wanted to backtrack and
go back to that, the question as to what Solyn
actually does and what you do with your community. So thank you for answering
that because when you think about the mission and it really
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aligns, in my opinion, with the mission of the nurse shift change
movement, because that mission is to unite and empower
nurses to drive meaningful healthcare change and reform and
ensure equitable access to care. So everything that you said, it
really aligns perfectly with the. The mission of the of
Nurse of Change. So thank you for that, for sharing that while you were
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going through everything that you went through to even form and
organize Solene, what did you have
mentorship to and so on to help guide you through not
only forming solene, but also through your. Your educational
process. Because mentorship plays a very crucial
role in fostering growth and resilience
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among nurses. And I know I've shared before that I
never, I never had mentorship in nursing. And
as I climbed the ladder, I climbed the ladder on my own. Yes, I made
a lot of mistakes, but I also achieved a lot of achievements as
well. And I can't really contribute that to a mentor.
It wasn't until I became a. A business
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entrepreneur is when I sought mentorship. And I
really thought back and said, wow, had I had this as a nurse, just
imagine the empowerment I would have had or imagine how much more
I could have accomplished. So I say all this to say, you know, what,
what strategies can we implement to ensure
that mentorship opportunities are accessible and
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inclusive. Right. Particularly for those who face
discrimination and bullying. Yeah. You know, you mentioned, Dr. Lenda
about, you know, not having anybody specifically for nursing per
se. I didn't realize until as I went along my journey and sort of
reflecting back, and this was purposeful in that I realized that not
all my mentors necessarily were looked or maybe were a part of
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the journey that I thought they would be a part of. And I had to
learn to embrace what they did provide for me at that moment in my life.
And I think back, for example, to my Dr. George Castro may rest in peace,
a PhD in chemistry,
and, you know, all this phenomenal stuff. And I never saw myself going into that
realm, but just having him, his face on my campus community when I was
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an undergrad and just saying, you can do it again. Here's a space for you
to type out, you know, your reports and you need to print out. This is
a space for you. And then going into it. And I always think of my
doctor Rose in public health, this white woman who was so
aware of diversity and how important it was for us to reach out to
Latino communities and other communities and thinking like, wow, she, she. She's
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not like, you know, putting up a friend and trying hard. She, she gets it.
She's in there. She's doing so. I think about these different mentors I had throughout
my life and how they really inspired me in moments in my life as I
was going through there, and how I had to take these components in order
to make it work for myself. And then when I did go into
nursing, I also learned that my own peers, some of them, were my
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inspiration. To this day, I have some of my co founders of
Solan and other folks that during the
toughest of times, Dr. Lander, you realize who will stand by you
and stand there for you, not just when you're celebrating and in the good times.
And I think those are the people that you stand strong with and they remind
you that they are also a source of inspiration and mentorship for
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myself. And I think that with that comes our duty to pay
it forward. I just thought right now, and it's sort of a. Sometimes brings
me a little emotion. Have a dear colleague friend who, you know, she's
around my age and I remember I had been blessed to
complete my journey at UCSF for being nurse
practitioner. And she was, you know, in nursing school. And she told me
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when she's like, I want to be like you, friend. I want to be like
you. Like, what do you mean? Like, you know what you're talking about. You're awesome.
You're already a nursing. You're doing great. She's like, yeah, but I'm going to finish
my nursing program and I'm going to get my. I'm going to be an fmp,
et cetera, et cetera. And now here we are working in the same organization. We
are colleagues. She is amazing. I go to her sometimes for
consults and I tell her, look at you, look at you, friend. Look at you.
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Say you are. You are a leader. You're inspiring it. To think
that you are in nursing school one day and make me feel old sometimes.
But just thinking about these moments where we were able to share with others and
really create that space and pay it forward and always remember that
it took a village and many different aspects for myself to
get to where I'm at. So I'm always very aware of that and very thankful
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for that. And I think that putting yourself out there with having a
nurse with voices, having podcasts like this, going to speaking engagements
at junior colleges, high schools, universities, being a
face, sharing your email, sharing your phone number, letting people know that it's
okay, ask questions, approach me. Please be proactive, too. I will
admit, Dr. Linder, I will say here, sometimes I get a lot of emails
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and I will reply, but if, you know, you don't continue engaging.
I have so many things going on sometimes we'll lose that
communication. But please be proactive and if you reach out, I will make the
time. So I think it's so important to remember that, you know, we are here
and blessed to be on this platform. So we need to show our face, be
present, be visible, engage and let people know that if I did it, you
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can do it and please, please don't ever be afraid or hesitate to reach
out and to learn from each other. That is very true. You can be
inspired by just the people you work with. And it's always
awesome to grow with a colleague and just really see
how they blossom in their career and a nursing career. And I think this is
one of the reasons, this is my opinion. I think this is one of the
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reasons why we take it so personal where we, when we see
certain situations taking place and you feel like there's nothing you
can do about it, you've worked so hard to achieve, to get where you
are. And like right now, not to be too political,
but when you look at Health and Human Services losing
having like 10,000 layoffs, that's hurtful. It's hurtful
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because we know how hard nurses work to be able
to take care of patients, right? Be able to take care of our
community. So when you short as we know what short staffing looks like,
right? So we lay off 10,000 health and human services
workers, you are not only affecting healthcare workers, but you're also
affecting the community. I think I saw on social media not too long ago
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when they were laying off at the NIH and there was a, someone who actually
posted how her, how fearful she was and she had like a port
or something in her chest. And so I want to say it looks like she
may have been going undergoing chemo, but she was voicing how
concerned she was and how she can hear the doctors and the nurses in the
hallways, you know, talking about the layoffs and they didn't know what was going to
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happen next. That's, that's concerning. So I
guess I say all this to say when we talk about the roles of
nurses and how can we, what do you think like we can
do to collectively really play in advocating
for more diversity in the workforce and
inclusiveness in the workforce, being that we're being
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shut out, so to speak, in so many other different areas. So what
can we do? You know, I think one thing is that we need to
continue not to be afraid. You know, when it's unfortunate when you hear colleagues
that state that they can no longer state, you know, DEI initiatives
or anything to do with equity, etc. You know, I think
back even not just being a person of color myself
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and in a minority group, but I also learned from my white colleagues, my
black colleagues, my Asian colleagues, everybody, right? That makes me a more well
rounded clinician, a more well rounded person from my
community. So we all need each other to learn from Each other.
We all need to be able to understand each other, have communication, have
dialogue, work with each other. So when all these things are taking place and they're
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trying to sort of strip this away, it is affecting us to the core. And
it's affecting even those. Even though they don't realize right now, it's affecting those that
are saying that they don't want these things in our environments anymore. I heard a
quote somewhere, saw somewhere, where it said that at some point in your life, almost
every person who has access to care, etcetera,
who's blessed to be able to experience it, will have an interaction with the nurse
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at some point in their life. I mean, when we're coming into the world, when
we're sick at the bedside, when we're going to a visit, when we're
ill, to our last day, sometimes, you know, taking our last breath. So
for us, it seems so natural and so. So common knowledge
that we are needed. And I think these are the stories that we need to
share and that we need to remind people that you might not think about it
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right away, but you've interacted with this community. You
need from this community. We all need from this community and each
other, because, you know, this is a circle of life, and we're here
for a purpose, and our purpose is to help heal and take care of others.
So I think that we need to continue to share these stories and advocate and
remind people that this is fundamentally part of what we need
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for our health care system and for our healthcare needs.
And like I said, it's a scary time, but we can't be
scared to continue to show these stories and advocate for the importance of
diversity and inclusion and equity. Oh, you're right. It. I think
for some people, when you talk about fear, a lot of what's going
on, I feel like that's what it is, is to drum up fear, and it's
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to make people. Is to make people afraid. And in my opinion, and I've
said this before, I feel like they're all distractions. A lot of it is
distractions to what's really going on. Right? Like what's really
happening and what's really taking place. Are people being affected? Absolutely. People are being
affected. Not just in the us all across, you know, other countries as
well. And when you look at what's taking place,
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you have to start to really ask yourself, okay, what can I do differently? Because
I see what's happening, and a lot of it, they're distractions. So a lot of
these executive orders that's what they are. They're just that,
executive orders. However, we do see people also losing their jobs. So what are we
doing about that? What are we doing to position ourselves to form
a country and not administration, but a
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community that, that we can still support without.
Without having to worry about that fear, right? Without there being fear, without
instilling fear into, you know, into our community. Because I
always say, you know, you can only take care of and be
responsible for you and what you can do and for your community.
That's it. Right? You can't really. You have no control over
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the idiocracy that's going on in the administration.
Like, you just, you just can't. And you'll drive yourself crazy if you just continue
to be scared of what's next. You. You have no, you have no control over
that. So for me, something I advocate for is what are your skills?
What can you do with your, with your own skills, Right? Something that my pastor
said in church was, you know, now it's the time to get your families together
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to, you know, who's good at what. Maybe someone's good at cooking.
Right? Maybe someone's creative. What can you do
differently? That's what you have to start asking yourself. And
something you mentioned, I'll just struck a chord. That's also why
this nurses shift change is something that I really gravitated towards because I
feel that some of my fortes are within community organizing and just at
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the, at the grassroots level. But policy is something that I've touched upon.
But I want more experience, I want more exposure. And there's others that are so
amazing with that. They've done so much work in that. And that's part of why
coming together with other great thinkers, leaders, et cetera
is something that is so important and why I also gravitated
towards this movement because I also am hearing and being inspired by
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people that are at these meetings and just seeing what they've done and what we
can do. And also, hopefully I can learn from that and contribute my
piece once I become more informed, enlightened, and empowered with that. So I think that's
also the beauty of it. Everybody has their fortes and their strengths and
coming together and learning from each other is such a beautiful gift and something that
can help us grow as professionals as well. Yeah, I think another thing that
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nurses should consider is politics. I mean, I've been saying
this for quite some time, but there needs to be nursing voices
in the political arena, and why not? Why shouldn't we? And
it sounds like from what I've been seeing, nurses are
stepping into the political arena. Excuse me. And we should,
right? Because no one can really advocate for
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health care the way we do, right? And not just nurses,
nurses, healthcare professionals, even physicians. We're the ones who really
speak to what should be going on with. When you talk about health and human
services. That's, that's our, you know, that's our world, right?
So when we look at vaccines, when we look at. And again, I
don't want to get too political, but why, why did we join? Right? We're
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saying patients of the politics. So how do we patience over politics? The
way do that is by joining your local.
What's going on in your district? Do we know what's going on in our district?
Do we know who our local assemblymen are? Do you know who
your district leader admissioner is? These are the things that we want to know
and we need to really drive and this is how we start to
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really shift change, right? Coming together like this
movement. This is all my opinion, right? But I'm curious to know
for the viewers, the listeners, whoever's going to be listening to this,
whoever's listening, I'm curious to know what your feedback is like,
what your comments are. And you've heard me say, and you know, part of
my movement, again, like I mentioned, I help nurses start businesses. I
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help nurses get away from the need for W2s and you know, I
also help my community by fostering self care, advocacy, health
promotion. How are you going to help and what are you bringing instead of
fear, outside of fear? Because there, there really
isn't any capacity for that right now. But the fear,
even though there is, you know, and I don't want to diminish it, I don't
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want to diminish anyone's feelings, but there is a lot of fear and we
need to know that there's something that we could do about it. And coming together
with movements like Nurse Shift Change, this is why we're doing it. So
the website is available nurse shift change.com the
rally is taking place on May 24th. And you know, the rally is
to really help bring together nurses, bring together and
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advocate so you can advocate for not only this movement,
for yourself, for your community, state level. And more
details will come as this special edition unfolds. More details
will come about the rally that's taking place in on May 24,
which I'm excited about. Right. So Adrian, tell me,
so is there anything else you'd like to share as we wrap up? No. As
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you mentioned. I'm really excited for this opportunity. Please reach out to
us via this podcast. And with social media
information going out there, you know, we really need to hear from you, and we
really want to band together and support each other. So please reach out. I'm once
again very humbled, very thankful to have come across this group, and
I'm able to see that we will create change, we will create
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impact, whatever that little ripple effect is. But I'm, like I said, humbled and
honored to be meeting such great colleagues. And I think that
there's not one day that I regret coming into this field. As
tiresome or stressful as some days may seem, the work that we do,
the patient satisfaction, the colleague interaction, all of this is what makes
me so proud to be in the nursing profession. So I want to thank you,
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Dr. Lander, for also having this space and creating a safe space to be able
to share. And thank you. Just thank you, thank you, thank you. Where
can people find you? Yes, definitely. So you can find me at.
At Adriana A D R A N E L
Enfermero. So Adriana and Fairmeadow. So Adrian the nurse. And you can also find
us at Sol Nurses S O L N
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U R S E S on social media. And please reach out to us if
you have any questions. We'd love to hear from you. Thank you. Well, thank you
so much for joining. This will be available on YouTube,
iHeart, Spotify, wherever you get your favorite podcast. This will
also be streaming live on LinkedIn. Definitely want to hear your feedback. Want to
know what, what do you want to see as a part of this nerdshift change
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movement? You can join us on Facebook, Instagram, like
where? Everywhere, right? Nursing change movement. We're everywhere.
LinkedIn. So we are everywhere. So until next time, make sure that
you stay educated, stay inspired, and stay empowered.
And we have a special edition podcast series that I
wanted to invite you all to continue to listen to over the next few
weeks. I have here today I have Adrienne Espinosa.
Adrienne Espinosa is our first guest. Over the next few weeks, you'll
hear from more nurses from upon and how can
increasing what do you. What do you think you know, how can
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we increase the visibility and diversity
within our workforce in helping to change or
address these challenges and create a more supportive
environment? Even having to talk about it and acknowledge it, it is
unfortunate to think that even in the most trusted profession that we still experience
this and that we see it.
Welcome
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back
to
another
episode
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of
Nurses
with voices. I'm Dr. Lendra and we have a special edition
podcast series that I wanted to invite you all to
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continue to listen to. Over the next few weeks, the United Party of
Nurses have united to discuss a
movement of placing patients over politics. With everything going on
in the administration, we have decided that we want to take a stand
for patients, advocate for patients, for
policy changes, for just a movement that's going to
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enhance access to help with our inequities that we're
seeing right now. And I have here today, I have Adrian
Espinosa. Adrian Espinosa is our first guest.
Over the next few weeks, you'll hear from more nurses from upon who
will be sharing with you how they're leading change and what impact
they're making throughout their states and throughout their
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organizations. And I want to introduce Adrian. Adrian
is the son of a Mexican immigrant and a dedicated health care leader.
He's earned a BA in Biology, Master's of Public health,
and an advanced practice nurse from University of California, San
Francisco. Adrienne is the Co founder of Supernova foundation, supporting
domestic violence survivors and awarding scholarships. And he's
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also co founded the Society of Latinx Nurses to promote
diversity and inclusion in nursing. Recognized as
a UCSF alumni awardee. UCSF
alumni, as am I. And a 40 under 40 rising
nurse leader, Adrian continues to advocate for equity and excellence in
healthcare. Adrian, thank you so much for joining today. I
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am really looking forward to jumping into this conversation because the
movement, the nurse shift movement, is going to be powerful.
And I want to start by saying that there's going to be a
rally on May 24 that is being organized in the process.
And while we're organizing this, this rally, this movement, I should
say we want to come together and really let you hear from
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the leaders who are a part of this committee so
that you can see exactly what we're doing and that you can
understand. And we want you to join us in this movement. And
today you're going to hear from Adrian. I just gave his PINS introduction and
I'm going to let you hear from him. And I want to start with
what made you want to be a part of this nurse shift change
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movement. So first of all, Dr. Linda, thank you so much for allowing me to
share this space with you. I'm really honored and flattered to be here and kicking
off this series among many great leaders that we have on this. And
that's just the thing. When you hear a calling, when you have people reach out
in the community that you see from other organizations that inspire you,
like the DMPs of color and other national organizations,
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and you hear that, you know, we're feeling the same
sort of distraught, we're feeling the same frustrations, we're hearing it from our
communities. I think it's a time when a lot of us gravitate towards, whether it
be faith, whether it be our families, whether it be our communities. And for us,
our community is our nursing family. And I think that seeing what's
transpiring in many aspects, without going to detail at this moment
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around us in the world, in the nation, but how it's trickling down, affecting us
in our workplace, in our programming, and just how we're working with our patients,
you can't help but feel this innate need to help, this
innate need to join together and see what we can do to be a voice.
Because I've been part of that community where growing up, I would
see family members, friends, you know, sometimes not have that voice or that
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understanding or that access to healthcare. And that's part of the reason why I wanted
to be a nurse and an advanced practice nurse. And now that we have this
platform, I think it's a blessing. And it's also a call to duty to be
able to band together with other inspiring nurses leaders to see how we can come
together and support each other first of all, but also put our voices together in
order to hopefully create positive change. And hence nurses with voices.
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Right? And aside from nurses with voices, it's, you know, it's
that unity, right? It's that coming together, having those core
values with the mission of Nurse of change, and it's really about
shifting change. And this is how we do it, by uniting and coming together.
At Nurses is one of the most trusted profession,
and yet we still struggle with issues like lateral
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incivility, bullying, even racism among our
own. And how can increasing.
What do you. What do you think? You know, how can we increase
the visibility and diversity within
our workforce and help helping to change or address
these challenges and create a more supportive environment? Even
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having to talk about it and acknowledge it, it is unfortunate to think that even
in the most trusted profession that we still experience this and that we see it.
I've experienced it on a smaller scale, but I've experienced it, I've seen colleagues
experience it on a larger scale, and it breaks my heart. And these are the
moments where you kind of think like, hey, what do we need to do in
order to make change and create change? Because this is not okay. And I think
one of the first things that we always have to remember is that we need
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to talk about it. Sometimes we're afraid to speak, we're afraid to speak up.
Sometimes we're not sure how to speak up or who to approach. And I think
that lending your voice is very important because sometimes we feel
like we're the only one going through it or, you know, nobody else, you know,
or I don't want to sound a certain way or like I'm not strong enough
in my own, you know, educational background or experience.
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But sometimes we'd be surprised when we bring these issues up or when we share
our experience. Others will reach out to you and say, I went through the same
thing. Thank you for sharing. I thought I was the only one. And I think
these are the things that kind of remind us that it's so important to share
our voice and lend our voice, because if people don't hear what's going on, they
might think, like, they're the only ones in their silos and that nobody else is
experiencing it. With this comes visibility right if we talk about it, if we share
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the experiences, if we let people know, this is not okay. And we stand firm,
for example, in our missions and our policies, whether it be in the workplace environment,
your organizations, and letting people know, you know, this is a safe space. This is
a place where we do not tolerate racism. We don't tolerate bullying. Okay, maybe we
weren't aware of how we said something and that's okay. Sometimes people might
not be as educated as some of us may be. Sometimes we are not as
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educated as we think in maybe how we express ourselves or how we identify our
view of the communities. And these are moments also to be able to take a
step back and say, oh, I apologize, I wasn't aware I might have offended you.
How can I learn from this experience and be a better
advocate, be a better communicator? So I think these are opportunities where we have to
remember creating safe spaces. Creating spaces where we can actually share
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knowledge and support each other is very important on the larger scale.
For example, as some of us may know, the American Nurses association created
the Committee to Address Racism. And I think banding together
with multi professional organizations, leaders in the community,
and having these tough, tough, tough conversations, they're not easy. They're not easy.
They're never easy. But having the conversations and being transparent and actually
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working towards solutions and working towards trainings, speaking
engagements, et cetera, where people can learn about it and like I said, have the
dialogue, have it out there, be visible. I think it's really important for us to
be able to sort of create change and be visible and let people know that
it is taking place and it is happening. No, no, I think that that's
right. Everything you said something that I probably should have
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asked you before we dived right in and because I
kind of just, I want to go back to. So, Ellen, can you share
a little bit about what that is, what that movement is about?
What, you know, tell me a little bit about what you do as a co
founder. Talk a little bit about that. Yes. So
growing up, you know, I, I always knew I wanted to go into the health
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and medical field and, and typically being a, a Latino male, you
never hear, oh, be a nurse, you know, you might hear, be a doctor, you
know, and other health careers. And so a lot of times I
had to navigate throughout growing up in my education, being one of the few brown
kids in my programming, in my university classes,
sometimes feeling like I had to study a little bit harder, sometimes having
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to reach out for the resources and find others who would support My study
habits and being able to navigate through all that. And as you
grow into your profession, I think you start to realize that it's also important
not just with the didactic and what we're learning in school, it's also
important to surround yourself around a community that understands what you're
experiencing, whether it be in that, for example, as a provider, the stressors of working
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in primary health, the stressors of the limited resources at times, the difficult
cases that you go through. And these are opportunities for us to, you know, band
together with other like minded folks and also folks who understand what
we're experiencing during COVID and just to sort of, I mean, this is a
trajectory, right, of what's going on in the life of myself and others. But
I think during COVID we identified a need for those safe spaces. A lot of
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us were going through a lot of microaggressions, experiencing that bullying,
witnessing that racism while working in the, you know, in the
hospitals and clinics and just trying to get through those days, you know, initially when
we didn't have a vaccine for Covid, et cetera. And I think this brought out
a lot of, like I mentioned, these macro aggressions and many of my peers
that I saw and that they were seen in their respective states, you know,
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Chicago, Texas, California, I started to feel that
we didn't have that space to be able to share with each other,
to be able to support each other the way that we wanted to. You know,
sometimes we might be involved with other organizations, but you know, not every,
every shoe doesn't fit, you know, always. And we should always have options.
And I think through these experiences we identified a need to
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create a safe space, especially for us being Latino and,
and seeing some of us that work in these communities where there are a lot
of Latino patients, but yet not enough of us that reflect that patient population.
We discussed, you know, what can we do? You know, there's a
lot of us have learned that being an organization is very important. Building family and
community is very important. Let's move together here and band together and see if we
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can support each other and create somewhere where we are
strong in our mission statement, as I mentioned earlier, and where we
also make sure that we are very clear that we are creating this,
we are creating this space because we do not want any types of incivility,
lateral instability taking place within our own organization. We do not want
folks to feel like they can't speak up for fear of being bullied. So with
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that platform, we moved forward and decided to form the society of
Atlantic Nurses. And we refer to it as solen, as the acronym
solen, the Society Atlantic Nurses. And we're very proud and very purposeful too
in our branding because we have one of the former Aztec gods under the
Malinali, as you call it, which is a reference to medicine and Earth.
And we thought that was very important to take it back to our roots and
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remember that as a community, you know, we are steadfast in our roots
and that's how we grow as a tree and the leaves and we expand.
So it was very important to us to create this space. And it's been a
Blessing to see Dr. Lindra just the community gravitate and to feel like,
you know, this is something that I want and I need it. And, you know,
yes, everybody is involved in many platforms, other
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organizations. We welcome that. I think it's beautiful when we can combine and
join organizations that might fit certain needs that we have, you know, because not
everybody might be the whole fit, but this is something that has provided a
space for us to be able to come together. And now we're very blessed and
fortunate to be moving forward and working on the national level, on
policies, local level, working our communities and just still
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growing as a newer organization, but definitely one that's respected
because of our amazing colleagues and our amazing leadership and board that we have from
across the United States. So I'm very thankful that we were able to come together
and form Solen. And I think that's part of also my call of duty now,
being one of the co founders and current president and being able to work with
amazing leaders like yourself and others and to really learn from each other
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and to continue to grow as an organization to see how we can support
the injustices that are taking place in our communities. Thank you for sharing that. And
I think that is a better segue. This is why I wanted to backtrack and
go back to that, the question as to what Solyn
actually does and what you do with your community. So thank you for answering
that because when you think about the mission and it really
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aligns, in my opinion, with the mission of the nurse shift change
movement, because that mission is to unite and empower
nurses to drive meaningful healthcare change and reform and
ensure equitable access to care. So everything that you said, it
really aligns perfectly with the. The mission of the of
Nurse of Change. So thank you for that, for sharing that while you were
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going through everything that you went through to even form and
organize Solene, what did you have
mentorship to and so on to help guide you through not
only forming solene, but also through your. Your educational
process. Because mentorship plays a very crucial
role in fostering growth and resilience
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among nurses. And I know I've shared before that I
never, I never had mentorship in nursing. And
as I climbed the ladder, I climbed the ladder on my own. Yes, I made
a lot of mistakes, but I also achieved a lot of achievements as
well. And I can't really contribute that to a mentor.
It wasn't until I became a. A business
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entrepreneur is when I sought mentorship. And I
really thought back and said, wow, had I had this as a nurse, just
imagine the empowerment I would have had or imagine how much more
I could have accomplished. So I say all this to say, you know, what,
what strategies can we implement to ensure
that mentorship opportunities are accessible and
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inclusive. Right. Particularly for those who face
discrimination and bullying. Yeah. You know, you mentioned, Dr. Lenda
about, you know, not having anybody specifically for nursing per
se. I didn't realize until as I went along my journey and sort of
reflecting back, and this was purposeful in that I realized that not
all my mentors necessarily were looked or maybe were a part of
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the journey that I thought they would be a part of. And I had to
learn to embrace what they did provide for me at that moment in my life.
And I think back, for example, to my Dr. George Castro may rest in peace,
a PhD in chemistry,
and, you know, all this phenomenal stuff. And I never saw myself going into that
realm, but just having him, his face on my campus community when I was
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an undergrad and just saying, you can do it again. Here's a space for you
to type out, you know, your reports and you need to print out. This is
a space for you. And then going into it. And I always think of my
doctor Rose in public health, this white woman who was so
aware of diversity and how important it was for us to reach out to
Latino communities and other communities and thinking like, wow, she, she. She's
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not like, you know, putting up a friend and trying hard. She, she gets it.
She's in there. She's doing so. I think about these different mentors I had throughout
my life and how they really inspired me in moments in my life as I
was going through there, and how I had to take these components in order
to make it work for myself. And then when I did go into
nursing, I also learned that my own peers, some of them, were my
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inspiration. To this day, I have some of my co founders of
Solan and other folks that during the
toughest of times, Dr. Lander, you realize who will stand by you
and stand there for you, not just when you're celebrating and in the good times.
And I think those are the people that you stand strong with and they remind
you that they are also a source of inspiration and mentorship for
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myself. And I think that with that comes our duty to pay
it forward. I just thought right now, and it's sort of a. Sometimes brings
me a little emotion. Have a dear colleague friend who, you know, she's
around my age and I remember I had been blessed to
complete my journey at UCSF for being nurse
practitioner. And she was, you know, in nursing school. And she told me
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when she's like, I want to be like you, friend. I want to be like
you. Like, what do you mean? Like, you know what you're talking about. You're awesome.
You're already a nursing. You're doing great. She's like, yeah, but I'm going to finish
my nursing program and I'm going to get my. I'm going to be an fmp,
et cetera, et cetera. And now here we are working in the same organization. We
are colleagues. She is amazing. I go to her sometimes for
consults and I tell her, look at you, look at you, friend. Look at you.
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Say you are. You are a leader. You're inspiring it. To think
that you are in nursing school one day and make me feel old sometimes.
But just thinking about these moments where we were able to share with others and
really create that space and pay it forward and always remember that
it took a village and many different aspects for myself to
get to where I'm at. So I'm always very aware of that and very thankful
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for that. And I think that putting yourself out there with having a
nurse with voices, having podcasts like this, going to speaking engagements
at junior colleges, high schools, universities, being a
face, sharing your email, sharing your phone number, letting people know that it's
okay, ask questions, approach me. Please be proactive, too. I will
admit, Dr. Linder, I will say here, sometimes I get a lot of emails
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and I will reply, but if, you know, you don't continue engaging.
I have so many things going on sometimes we'll lose that
communication. But please be proactive and if you reach out, I will make the
time. So I think it's so important to remember that, you know, we are here
and blessed to be on this platform. So we need to show our face, be
present, be visible, engage and let people know that if I did it, you
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can do it and please, please don't ever be afraid or hesitate to reach
out and to learn from each other. That is very true. You can be
inspired by just the people you work with. And it's always
awesome to grow with a colleague and just really see
how they blossom in their career and a nursing career. And I think this is
one of the reasons, this is my opinion. I think this is one of the
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reasons why we take it so personal where we, when we see
certain situations taking place and you feel like there's nothing you
can do about it, you've worked so hard to achieve, to get where you
are. And like right now, not to be too political,
but when you look at Health and Human Services losing
having like 10,000 layoffs, that's hurtful. It's hurtful
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because we know how hard nurses work to be able
to take care of patients, right? Be able to take care of our
community. So when you short as we know what short staffing looks like,
right? So we lay off 10,000 health and human services
workers, you are not only affecting healthcare workers, but you're also
affecting the community. I think I saw on social media not too long ago
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when they were laying off at the NIH and there was a, someone who actually
posted how her, how fearful she was and she had like a port
or something in her chest. And so I want to say it looks like she
may have been going undergoing chemo, but she was voicing how
concerned she was and how she can hear the doctors and the nurses in the
hallways, you know, talking about the layoffs and they didn't know what was going to
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happen next. That's, that's concerning. So I
guess I say all this to say when we talk about the roles of
nurses and how can we, what do you think like we can
do to collectively really play in advocating
for more diversity in the workforce and
inclusiveness in the workforce, being that we're being
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shut out, so to speak, in so many other different areas. So what
can we do? You know, I think one thing is that we need to
continue not to be afraid. You know, when it's unfortunate when you hear colleagues
that state that they can no longer state, you know, DEI initiatives
or anything to do with equity, etc. You know, I think
back even not just being a person of color myself
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and in a minority group, but I also learned from my white colleagues, my
black colleagues, my Asian colleagues, everybody, right? That makes me a more well
rounded clinician, a more well rounded person from my
community. So we all need each other to learn from Each other.
We all need to be able to understand each other, have communication, have
dialogue, work with each other. So when all these things are taking place and they're
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trying to sort of strip this away, it is affecting us to the core. And
it's affecting even those. Even though they don't realize right now, it's affecting those that
are saying that they don't want these things in our environments anymore. I heard a
quote somewhere, saw somewhere, where it said that at some point in your life, almost
every person who has access to care, etcetera,
who's blessed to be able to experience it, will have an interaction with the nurse
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at some point in their life. I mean, when we're coming into the world, when
we're sick at the bedside, when we're going to a visit, when we're
ill, to our last day, sometimes, you know, taking our last breath. So
for us, it seems so natural and so. So common knowledge
that we are needed. And I think these are the stories that we need to
share and that we need to remind people that you might not think about it
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right away, but you've interacted with this community. You
need from this community. We all need from this community and each
other, because, you know, this is a circle of life, and we're here
for a purpose, and our purpose is to help heal and take care of others.
So I think that we need to continue to share these stories and advocate and
remind people that this is fundamentally part of what we need
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for our health care system and for our healthcare needs.
And like I said, it's a scary time, but we can't be
scared to continue to show these stories and advocate for the importance of
diversity and inclusion and equity. Oh, you're right. It. I think
for some people, when you talk about fear, a lot of what's going
on, I feel like that's what it is, is to drum up fear, and it's
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to make people. Is to make people afraid. And in my opinion, and I've
said this before, I feel like they're all distractions. A lot of it is
distractions to what's really going on. Right? Like what's really
happening and what's really taking place. Are people being affected? Absolutely. People are being
affected. Not just in the us all across, you know, other countries as
well. And when you look at what's taking place,
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you have to start to really ask yourself, okay, what can I do differently? Because
I see what's happening, and a lot of it, they're distractions. So a lot of
these executive orders that's what they are. They're just that,
executive orders. However, we do see people also losing their jobs. So what are we
doing about that? What are we doing to position ourselves to form
a country and not administration, but a
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community that, that we can still support without.
Without having to worry about that fear, right? Without there being fear, without
instilling fear into, you know, into our community. Because I
always say, you know, you can only take care of and be
responsible for you and what you can do and for your community.
That's it. Right? You can't really. You have no control over
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the idiocracy that's going on in the administration.
Like, you just, you just can't. And you'll drive yourself crazy if you just continue
to be scared of what's next. You. You have no, you have no control over
that. So for me, something I advocate for is what are your skills?
What can you do with your, with your own skills, Right? Something that my pastor
said in church was, you know, now it's the time to get your families together
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to, you know, who's good at what. Maybe someone's good at cooking.
Right? Maybe someone's creative. What can you do
differently? That's what you have to start asking yourself. And
something you mentioned, I'll just struck a chord. That's also why
this nurses shift change is something that I really gravitated towards because I
feel that some of my fortes are within community organizing and just at
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the, at the grassroots level. But policy is something that I've touched upon.
But I want more experience, I want more exposure. And there's others that are so
amazing with that. They've done so much work in that. And that's part of why
coming together with other great thinkers, leaders, et cetera
is something that is so important and why I also gravitated
towards this movement because I also am hearing and being inspired by
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people that are at these meetings and just seeing what they've done and what we
can do. And also, hopefully I can learn from that and contribute my
piece once I become more informed, enlightened, and empowered with that. So I think that's
also the beauty of it. Everybody has their fortes and their strengths and
coming together and learning from each other is such a beautiful gift and something that
can help us grow as professionals as well. Yeah, I think another thing that
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nurses should consider is politics. I mean, I've been saying
this for quite some time, but there needs to be nursing voices
in the political arena, and why not? Why shouldn't we? And
it sounds like from what I've been seeing, nurses are
stepping into the political arena. Excuse me. And we should,
right? Because no one can really advocate for
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health care the way we do, right? And not just nurses,
nurses, healthcare professionals, even physicians. We're the ones who really
speak to what should be going on with. When you talk about health and human
services. That's, that's our, you know, that's our world, right?
So when we look at vaccines, when we look at. And again, I
don't want to get too political, but why, why did we join? Right? We're
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saying patients of the politics. So how do we patience over politics? The
way do that is by joining your local.
What's going on in your district? Do we know what's going on in our district?
Do we know who our local assemblymen are? Do you know who
your district leader admissioner is? These are the things that we want to know
and we need to really drive and this is how we start to
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really shift change, right? Coming together like this
movement. This is all my opinion, right? But I'm curious to know
for the viewers, the listeners, whoever's going to be listening to this,
whoever's listening, I'm curious to know what your feedback is like,
what your comments are. And you've heard me say, and you know, part of
my movement, again, like I mentioned, I help nurses start businesses. I
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help nurses get away from the need for W2s and you know, I
also help my community by fostering self care, advocacy, health
promotion. How are you going to help and what are you bringing instead of
fear, outside of fear? Because there, there really
isn't any capacity for that right now. But the fear,
even though there is, you know, and I don't want to diminish it, I don't
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want to diminish anyone's feelings, but there is a lot of fear and we
need to know that there's something that we could do about it. And coming together
with movements like Nurse Shift Change, this is why we're doing it. So
the website is available nurse shift change.com the
rally is taking place on May 24th. And you know, the rally is
to really help bring together nurses, bring together and
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advocate so you can advocate for not only this movement,
for yourself, for your community, state level. And more
details will come as this special edition unfolds. More details
will come about the rally that's taking place in on May 24,
which I'm excited about. Right. So Adrian, tell me,
so is there anything else you'd like to share as we wrap up? No. As
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you mentioned. I'm really excited for this opportunity. Please reach out to
us via this podcast. And with social media
information going out there, you know, we really need to hear from you, and we
really want to band together and support each other. So please reach out. I'm once
again very humbled, very thankful to have come across this group, and
I'm able to see that we will create change, we will create
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impact, whatever that little ripple effect is. But I'm, like I said, humbled and
honored to be meeting such great colleagues. And I think that
there's not one day that I regret coming into this field. As
tiresome or stressful as some days may seem, the work that we do,
the patient satisfaction, the colleague interaction, all of this is what makes
me so proud to be in the nursing profession. So I want to thank you,
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Dr. Lander, for also having this space and creating a safe space to be able
to share. And thank you. Just thank you, thank you, thank you. Where
can people find you? Yes, definitely. So you can find me at.
At Adriana A D R A N E L
Enfermero. So Adriana and Fairmeadow. So Adrian the nurse. And you can also find
us at Sol Nurses S O L N
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U R S E S on social media. And please reach out to us if
you have any questions. We'd love to hear from you. Thank you. Well, thank you
so much for joining. This will be available on YouTube,
iHeart, Spotify, wherever you get your favorite podcast. This will
also be streaming live on LinkedIn. Definitely want to hear your feedback. Want to
know what, what do you want to see as a part of this nerdshift change
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movement? You can join us on Facebook, Instagram, like
where? Everywhere, right? Nursing change movement. We're everywhere.
LinkedIn. So we are everywhere. So until next time, make sure that
you stay educated, stay inspired, and stay empowered.
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