Adult Industry Guru Marc MacNamara with Koaty & Sumner Blayne

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are a fiery engaged couple who have been together for
five years. That's a thousand years in lesbian years. They
gained fame on OnlyFans during the pandemic, embracing their love
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saw the fights, we saw the love, we saw the
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There we Go. Please welcome the duo that does more
than each other, Cody and Sumner Blaine.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Hi, Hello, Hi, that was an introduction? Did you get
that all out?

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Where are they just kidding?

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Kids?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Speeds? Anyway, let's talk about just before we welcome the
Man of the Hour, let's talk about you know, you
get all this hype for House of Heat and it
filled the summer and it was the hottest show that
Toby's ever had. You guys were the Runway stars obviously,
but share some of the reality of what happens after
the reality show goes and then it's like, Okay, what's next?
What's that reality?

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Like?

Speaker 2 (03:43):
What has life been like since the last episode aired.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
I feel like we've really have been trying to make
ourselves busy, you know, with the podcast coming out and
we have some other things in the works, because I
feel like there was a time after the show and
after it aired, we're like, OK, what the hell?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Now, what do we do?

Speaker 4 (04:02):
A book?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
The network doesn't help anybody, Like, there's no guidebook what
to do after?

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, Yeah, I was talking to some friends who have
done like musical theater, when they like have done a
tour for a show or just come off a big
gig that took a couple of months, and there's that
lull of like after it's.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Done, like wait, what do I do now? What do
I do with myself?

Speaker 1 (04:22):
And so yeah, we just kind of had to snap
into the next the next project. And some of that
is the podcast, some of that is we finally started
looking at wedding venues and.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
We picked one out.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
We went to Temecula last weekend and we looked at
a few places. Was it last weekend or a couple
weeknds ago, but we we found one that we really love.
So we picked a wedding venue finally. So you know,
we've been we've been busy.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, that's exciting and I hear the venue is amazing
and there's rooms for all these different things.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yes, yeah, yeah, work, I'm gonna do.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
We we did a vlog of the day, so we
went to five locations total, and we've logged the whole thing.
I'm working on that actually, and I'll be putting that
YouTube out on our YouTube channel this Saturday.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Well, and your TikTok has really taken off as well,
because you're not just doing the sexy content, you're doing
funny like lipshinc You're doing funny couple things like that's
a whole different facet of your relationship that we get
to see.

Speaker 6 (05:13):
Honestly, the TikTok is what took off first, and like
kind of true people to are only fans back in
twenty twenty, when you know you could post your links
and stuff on there, but you know, we it's more
of our like Instagram reels. I think we've kind of
switched to the tiktoks more to the reels, even though
like they kind of are the same and we do
post them on both platforms, but we do see a

(05:34):
lot more visibility in the real section in the tiktoks
because they're not TikTok's a little harsher maybe than Instagram,
even though Instagram can be harsh too. But yeah, we've
found like a happy medium, I think with the content
because we haven't gotten any like serious things taken down yet.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, and well I also did want to throw in here,
just because we're talking about the stuff on the show.
Something that people did see on the show as we
got our penises molded, and I've had some questions of like, okay, hey,
what's the status of that one?

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Is that coming out?

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Well, we did end up firing the company from the
show and chose not to work with them, but we
did find a new company, and the drama firing is
harsh work. We just decided, you know, we went to
take a different direction. I think we just had different
ideas of what we wanted to do. But we found
another company. We're going to be on their website, We're
gonna be in stores. I don't want to say the
name yet until we you'll come back and yeah, we'll

(06:23):
come back, but we're going out to meet with them
on the eighth to sign the contract and get it
all done, and there'll be a DP version of us
coming out early next year.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
We'll bring it with Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
So I just love the idea of the company that
you parted ways with, amicable we did it. I'm imagining
they're factory full of your penises and they're like, what
do we do now?

Speaker 4 (06:44):
No, it never got that far. No, that that was
the problem. That was the problem.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
The months later that I was like, okay, we came
in there with this whole idea, and I think that
they just thought, Oh, they're just here for the show.
This is just something they want to do for the show,
and then that's it. And it was like, no, no, no,
we want to move this forward. We definitely like we
have fans that want this product. Yes, so we need
to find a company that you know, wants to be
in our timeline and it isn't going to take five
years to get it to market.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
So, but they still have your mold somewhere in their office.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
They do have the casting, but they have not done
anything with it.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah that you know, if there's some janitor in their office,
I having a really good time after hours, I'm.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Sure maybe have fun. Have fun.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
On that note, you can dpe this couple soon coming
to us. Let's bring on the Man of the hour.
Mark McNamara born and raised in Anna, Maria Island, Florida.
By the way, we're going to talk about that small
little island. He entered the gay adult world in two
thousand and eight after working in mainstream television and the
movie industry. He is filmed all over the world. And
when I say all over the world, any major city

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and smaller city that you can imagine on the globe.
He has been there in. In twenty thirteen, he started his
own production house, Nasty Boy Productions. He produces, he writes,
he directs content for Falcon Naked Sort We Know, We Love.
In twenty twenty one, he started the wildly pop culture
and porn podcast Discretion Advised and Clearly Discretion is Advised.

(08:05):
It is so fun and it now has a spinoff
second show called Uncut, and Diego Sands is part of
it as well. And if he wasn't busy enough, he
created and host a show on Fire Island and he's
done it for the last ten years called Fame Games,
where he takes a Bravo housewife and pins them against
a porn star in a series of ridiculous and sexty games.
He's won Grabby's Cyber Socket Awards, gavianns ex Biz and

(08:28):
Hustleball Awards. He is the man. Please welcome Mark McNamara, mamara,
how are you.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
I'm good. I'm feeling a little less accomplished because I
myself did not have a DP. No one to DP
mold my dick.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
As of now? Is that your real bed behind you?
By the way, it is that's what that you sleep
on every night.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, my dog's on it right now. Okay, Hi, it's
late here. I normally like fit in front of a
window to do the podcast, but yeah, that's my bedtime.
I had to get in my bedroom.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
We are in your bedroom. That looks like a porn set,
by the way, I do have to say, look how
clean it is and like streamlined to be fair.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
I just moved July, so I haven't lived here long
enough to get it sucked up.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
No.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
I love like the wall and the plants right there.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Like we have a gold and green golden green.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Yeah, the wall green? Is that a dark green wall?

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah, it's a green velvety.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
We have a green wall that color with gold mirrors
on it.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
It's crazy, holl there're gonna be.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
The colors of the season, because if we're gonna see
green and gold everywhere. But did you what he said?
You said velvet walls.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Well, here's a story about that, and it's not that
interesting way to start the show. I ordered a really
expensive wallpaper because I was like, I really want green velvet.
It finally got here and it was picture of green
velvet on wallpaper. Oh no, bullshit. Oh, my god, I
went to Amazon for like a third of the price
and just got this.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
But you know, fluids don't get out of velvet very easily.
It just you know, just letting you know.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
That's why it's a little flavor saver.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
For later.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
That is gonna be in the Smithsonian someday. Now, Mark,
before we get hot and heavy, I want to find
out a little bit about little Marky Poo as a boy.
Annam a real island is only about seven miles long.
It has less than like ten thousand population. What was
life growing up like there? What did it teach you
about present day life?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Peaceful? It was nice. My dad's a fisherman, so I
cum up on the water mostly and it made me
thirsty for like more in what the world is out there.
That's why I live like in the heart of Manhattan now,
because I didn't have much stimulation growing up other than
animals and waters. So it was nice. I like it.

(10:49):
It's lovely to go back to. I'm glad that that
is my hometown that I get to go back to
on holidays and stuff, because it's a beautiful beach. It's
a beautiful place. But I couldn't fucking live there. What
am I gonna do? I'm gonna need your fucking dildough
There's no one there.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
But like, I will definitely be sending you one.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yes, some of the deep people. Yeah, but what kind
of boy were you were you? Were you into theater?
Were you a jock? Were you just giving handies on
the beach, like what was happening?

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Handys on the beach? Fingerings on the beach? And I
played I was the island kid. I was in the
water of surfing and snorkeling and scuba diving, and I
played soccer basically if it hadn't less than it, I
was into it. But then I moved I mean I
moved away when I was sixteen, So the young years,
like the fun shit, I just ran around and did
I don't know, island shit.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Like tomboy stuff.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
I'm an island.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Did you hear that one came out as gay? But
they did like a kiss together.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, the tic the island boy. They they did.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
They frenched each other, yeah, they did, and then one
came out and then they lost them.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
They were both I thought they were really too okay o.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Yeah, it is gross.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
That depends unless you're the Peters quins now, Mark, what
was your exposure to anything sexually like even as a boy,
do you remember like images or did you like come across,
come across, did you find like your dad's playboy? What
was your first kind of exposure to this kind of
world or sensual feelings even.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I've yet to have them.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Feelings.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I it was.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
I grew up Catholic, so I grew up like when
it was time to masturbate, like when you and then
you were old enough to do that, I would make
myself think of women because I was trying to change
and like fit into this little small island where there
were no other gay people and we had to go
to church every Sunday. And so my senior year of

(12:52):
high school is when I first like discovered gay porn
really and then my mom found it and he's like,
oh my god, what is this? And I said, oh,
it was my sister Lisa's. Of course she's under weird shit.
It has to be heard. I'll confront her about it,
because you know, I don't want her to feel bad,
but yeah, mommy should talk to her. Wow. And then
I moved to New York and started sucking dick.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Everyone's gay there yeah, boys and boys and girls and girls.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
But that's because I was raised very staunch Catholic and
we had no discussions of sex either way. Right, And
then my mom did find a bunch of stuff, and
I did blame one of my friends that he left
it there, and they created a whole kind of conversation.
But it's terrible that we grew up with that kind
of guilt and that kind of restriction, because then it
was finally came time to enjoy it, we still had
all this guilt on her shoulders.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I remember doing the same thing, trying to imagine women
while I was masturbated. If you were Mormon, I was
Mormons already, wasn't supposed to even masturbate?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yes, well you showed them, didn't I did everything ten times?

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Boys always kept in.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Can I ask a question about Mormonism? I have Monica
Garcia on my show this week.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
We left.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
We never remember when we met her when we were
all in.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
We were with you, that's when I met you all.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, he's because he shot me a couple of times.
I was our first time working together.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah, she's lovely. We've become friends now and she's going
to film something with me in.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
October that that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Been talking about stone, but she told me something about
like Mormons called docking. Oh do you know what Utah
docking is?

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Is this?

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Where is this where you like lay on top of
each other missionary and like someone vibrates the bed. So
then it's like you're not actually doing the motion yourself,
so it's considered Okay, Is that is that?

Speaker 5 (14:34):
What that is?

Speaker 4 (14:35):
I never did it, but I heard about.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
This from some friends who went on missions or something.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
I never did this, but I've heard about it. I
think that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Right the Latter day sayings don't like when you fuck,
so you just have to like like put it in yeah,
and someone has to like move the.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Move the bed some one.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
So so since you're not doing the motion, you're not
committing a sin. No, I never did this is when
I've had friends that talk about this, old Mormon friends,
or here's.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
A video in this. We have to recreate this with
like three like.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
You go one of those massage chairs that are electric.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
I guess yeah, a friend.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Indeed, I'm a watcher. I would do.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
It's why it's why Mormon girls have gay friends.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
That is definitely.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Docking is definitely done by the gay friend that wants
to watch the Dick.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
It was fresh now, Mark, there's a whole part of
your life that we're missing, Like the Jesus here is
we know when Jesus was in the temple and then
all of a sudden he was in the desert and
had all these twelve guy friends. We're missing a chunk
of your life. I haven't been able to find from
interviews or anything. And that's you getting off the island
New York established in yourself. What happened during that chunk

(15:50):
of time, What was the opportunity to get off the island,
and was there culture shop involved?

Speaker 3 (15:55):
That's none your business.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
I've been told that many times.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Trust I went to when I went to college, I
went to Florida State University and the University of Hawaii,
and every summer I would come to New York to intern.
And I just knew I wanted to be in New York,
but I didn't go to school there. So when I
did graduate and I did go there, I started working

(16:20):
for a TV and film I worked for VH one,
I worked for a show called The Agency. I worked
for a Nicholas cage movie Lord of War, and then
one day said I was also ghost writing articles and
out in genre.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Oh wow, I thought, I remember genre. Yeah, that's a
blast from the past.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
I know. I know they paid well. But someone asked
if I would write a porn script and I was like,
there's a script. You want me to write the ooz
and the os and they said no, if you take
the sex out, it would also stand alone as a movie,
and so I said sure. And then they said would
you direct it? And I said no, I won't. I've
never been on a porn set. I'll direct the story,

(16:59):
but I'm not going to direct the sex. And for
the first year of working with this studio, I only
directed the story and then eventually they were like, we
really want you to do both, and that was that.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
So that's that's an interesting transition. Now getting really engrossed
into the adult industry. What was it about the mainstream
TV and film that just wasn't fulfilling you that that
the adult industry was Yeah, money.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Money, the money was was was a lot better. I
was not. I wasn't like a TV exec. I was
just a PA and then a producer on these shows.
So that didn't pay as much as it did to
direct a porn movie, and I felt like it was
just there was so much more freedom in the porn world.

(17:42):
I could write and tell whatever story that I was
interested in, whereas the mainstream world you were just like
rewritten and retold what to do. And I just found
the freedom so much more exciting.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Did you also find out that you were able to
just be yourself, like sexually and as a gay man?
Did you have any pushback in the mainstream world being
a gay man?

Speaker 3 (18:03):
No? But when I did first start, I didn't even
use my real My real first name is Mark, my
last name is Manali, but I used McNamara because back
in the day, I was told you had to have
a poor name, so it began as Nate McNamara. I
just I hated the name Nate. I also hate the
name McNamara, but I just couldn't like wrap my head
around like who is Nate when people were to call

(18:24):
my name. And so I also didn't want to be
on camera at all, Like there were BTS pictures or
videos that I would have them take me off of completely.
I was very just wanting to be a private, private person.
So I don't know if that's because it was just
ingrained to me, like because of mainstream like hide yourself,
but it took a while for me to be comfortable

(18:47):
and be able to show myself well.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Also, you know during that kind of time too, you know,
gay porn has become very mainstream. Even in the last decade,
as you very well know, you've meshed pop culture and
porn very well together, which we're going to talk about
in a little bit. But that stigma is kind of gone.
But you know, the days of porn, like if your
family found out, if your friends found out, it was
you know, it was terrible, and so of course you
wouldn't want to be a part of that. And now

(19:10):
I think that culture has kind of changed.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Did you tell your family and friends like once you
got into the industry, how did they react?

Speaker 3 (19:18):
I didn't. I didn't because it wasn't something that I
thought they would understand at that point. Like you said, like,
things have changed, but now this is like we're talking
about two thousand and eight. It was a different world then,
and thank god we've evolved, But it wasn't it wasn't
the time and place to like worry someone on this
little island that Hey, your boys in New York Film

(19:41):
and Dix. I didn't want, like to worry anybody.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
I know some the people at men dot com that
have been doing it for like thirteen plus years.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Two of them are the lesbians. I love them.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
But she's like, I haven't told my family. She's like,
I've been doing this for thirteen years. She's like, they
know I'm making money and they don't ask other than that.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
So really didn't tell my family and just said, hey,
I'm on this reality show and that's kind of all.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
I mean, I think they had an idea, but there
was no hiding. I mean, they definitely didn't know that
I was doing studio porn. There was no way for
them to know that.

Speaker 6 (20:14):
Yeah, there's a lot of new stuff that they solve
from that show. And my mom still when she finished
it texted us. Both loved it.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
Like my mom was like, you know, ride or Die.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
My family did already.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
I had it told them that I was doing studio
on top of the only fans, so they didn't know,
but wow, yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Wow, that's a way to find out.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
But for his mom, I was, I was. She just
she she didn't she didn't even blink an eye.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
And eye.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
She was like, this show's wild.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
I think I think my.

Speaker 6 (20:42):
Mother knows who I am and just trusts the decisions
I make and just knows that all I'm going to
be good. And I think that's like something she lives
by and it really shone through with this.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
You have a healthy relationship, you're getting married, you're paying
your bills. I mean, isn't that what a parent wants
is for you to be happy and be able to Yeah?

Speaker 1 (20:59):
I think I think I haven't asked my parents for
money since I turned eighteen, So you know what, like,
what what are they they care? Yeah, They're like, you're
in a happy relationship, you pay your bills, you're living
your life, go for it.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, So Mark, can you tell us about your first
day on a gay porn set. I remember my first
days as a reserver. I was so nervous because of
this ingrain Catholic guilt, and then I was embarrassed, like
do you look at the actors whether walking around naked?
Do you not? Like I was such a basket case.
They were like are you all right? Because I wanted
to be polite, but I still wanted to see what
was your first day like? Because as a newbiet to

(21:33):
the industry.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
It was a water sports scene. Oh my god, into
and I quickly walked out of it.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Was this for Falcon, he's you.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I'm not even going to say it's It was with
a kill shelter. I'm not going to say their name,
but it was just really gross and for me, yeah,
like having never seen that, Like I didn't know that
guys were end up pissing on each other. Yeah, I mean,
little do I know now. It was just it was shocking.
So I left very soon after. And then I came

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on like a more traditional scene and saw it happen
and it's all it's I don't I would never go
on someone else's set or be on someone else's set
if I didn't have the camera in front of me
separating the action from what's happening. Like I don't feel
like I'm in the room when I'm watching it, Like
I feel like I'm watching it through the lens while
I am watching it through the lens and making art

(22:28):
of it, so it doesn't feel like I'm just watching
these two people have sex. I'm capturing and directing. So
just being in the room and seeing porn and then
directing porn like and no offense to the people and actually, yeah,
a fence to the people in the industry who call
themselves directors but don't know how to use a camera.
But like I feel, it's just a totally different experience.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well, and because you, like you've had a hind and
creating this project too. Like you you are a professional,
and I think that's why you have won all these awards,
because you treat it as a professional industry. And we
know from an afters point of view, and somebody you
can talk about studio work. When it's treated like a
professional environment, that's where you feel the most respected and
that's where you get the most the best content.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, definitely. I mean we've worked together.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
I've worked with Falcon and Naked Sword quite a few
times and they've always been amazing to work with. So
we come in, we get we get the last scene
that we did, like I remember, we were I was
I got there eleven. We were done by one nhard
like we were like we were like we were like
in and out, we did all the positions, got all
the b roll like we just we came in, we
handled it. And it was also in La in the Valley,

(23:29):
I didn't have to go anywhere.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
I was like, this is great.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
A happy hour up four and that and and and
uh the naked Sore just launched that scene like last
last Friday or something.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
The one was set. It was great.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, it's doing really well.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah yeah, that was our last time shooting together. It
was I love a scene like that. Two hours Peters
is so cute.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
What the brother want like, yeah, when they're like mapping
it out, like, yeah, that was.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
The brother one we were telling you about Broken.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Oh yeah that was Broken's brother.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
We were laughing about that because I knew Broken a
long time ago, and when I first met some there,
I was like, oh, wow, you actually look like this guy,
because you know, he was a little more clean shaven
like Sunder years and years ago. So the fact that
you made them brothers in the actual move in the
in the scene circle of Life, Circle of Life, right, brothers.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Until I saw the cast, like, once I saw oh
we have Steth and two scenes and one of them
is with Brogan and one of them is with Summoner,
I was like, oh, they look like brothers. Let's make
this brotherfucker. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
I definitely definitely, it definitely worked definitely worked.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Imagine that Thanksgiving. That's a Thanksgiving, go get stuff first, Mark, Yeah,
and Mark. So on this note, A question I got
emailed in many different ways was ask him why he's
not in front of the camera. People want to know
why you.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Do not have the confidence or the ability to be
vulnerable enough. I feel like to be a born actor
and a porn star, you have to have the ability
to be super vulnerable because what you're doing is really
just putting it all out there. And I am too
much of a control freak and I am too protective

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to be that vulnerable, you know, And if that makes sense,
and who the fuck wants to see it?

Speaker 6 (25:16):
I also, I also understand what you're saying is I
only do you know the only fans side of things.
And every time I go to like, you know, socialstheman
dot com party with him, they're all like, oh, when
are you doing it?

Speaker 5 (25:25):
When are we getting for a scene?

Speaker 6 (25:27):
And you know, part of it is like that's his thing,
and I am an engineer, so that's my thing. It's
nice to have separate things when our life's so intertwined.
But also I feel like a lot of it is
kind of what you said too, is I don't know
how much I would thrive in an environment that is
so controlled, and I do have less freedom of what
kind of is being shot of me, So I definitely

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feel that.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
But it's interesting because Mark, we see your thirst traps
on social media and we see all the comments you get,
and like I said when I got when I got
emails for this episode, that that was one of the
first concerns. And you know, Cody, we've seen you in
all different kinds of undressed and so it's funny. It's
like at studio where it is filmed in a beautiful way.
That's where you draw the line.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
I think it takes a specific type of confidence and
a person to you know, post thirst traps, which we
we love to do, and then there's there there, it's
just there. Takes a specific kind of person to do
studio porn. And then I also think it takes a
specific kind of person, if you've seen it, to do
v our studio porn, because that's just a whole nother thing.

(26:30):
So like you know, you've done that too, and I've
done that too, but like you know, like you you are,
it is vulnerable, you know, you know, when I talked.

Speaker 6 (26:38):
Him and he's like out of shoot for eight hours.
I was like, oh, I could not be doing that.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, but Mark, there's never been a time where an
actor like canceled out and you're like, well, I got
to take one for the for the team.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
You're just like, no, no, because that's another thing. Everybody
expects me to be a bottom but I do not
like doing that. So that's surprised to many, and I
think would turn like that's not what they want to say.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Oh, I would never make that assumption.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
I wouldn't have made that assumption either. I wouldn't have
made that either.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I mean, you do have a booty booty booty energy.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
I like bottom energy, all right, I definitely. I mean
I don't know, I've I'm working together and hang out
with you. I never was like bottom energy. Maybe verse,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
I just listen to everyone's verse.

Speaker 6 (27:21):
Otherwise I assume it's twenty four everyone's verse.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
If I would like to be.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
But I'll send you the DP deal down when it
comes out.

Speaker 6 (27:30):
We do have a YouTube like Tips and Tricks if
it's your first time, so.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
We can send that your way and it'll be soon
soon to be on our podcast in bed with Cody
and in bed with Cody and some all right, it's time.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
For our first hot topic. Are you all ready? Yes, yes, chaperone, you.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Know miney fave.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Well, okay, let's talk about this. She has come out,
you know, we know Taylor Swift came out in a
support of Kamala, We know other artists have come out
in the last two weeks. Because times are getting a
little tight, poles are getting a little tight, hahaha. Chaparone
says she's not taking sides, and it's she doesn't have
to with what she says, and that you can't make

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her and she she shouldn't have to be put on
blasts like that. So it's become a very hot topic
because we know the gays lover, we know the queer
community in general in general. I'm saying a lot of
her popularity is due to the gay community. Let me
put it that way. She's obviously her career has skyrocketed,
and we look at who's filling the seats, who's streaming
her songs, who's liking her social media posts. And then

(28:34):
she says it's not her duty to have to take sides.
So here's the hot topic. Should a celebrity be expected
to take sides. Does she have an obligation to the
queer community? Do we even care?

Speaker 6 (28:44):
I think I actually read about this today where people,
you know, she made that statement. She's not like endorsing anybody,
but she does have a long history of, you know,
doing stuff for the LGBTQ community. She does, you know,
there is proof of her supporting that community. So I
don't think it's necessarily right to you know, say she's

(29:05):
not supporting her community in that way, you know, because
politics does have a lot more like there's a lot
more involved than just that. So I feel like she's
doing you know, she's doing a lot for the community.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
Do I think.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
It's ridiculous not to pick a side as a queer person, Yes,
But I feel like there is substantial evidence of which
side she's likely to take.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
Even if she's not kind of saying who.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
It is, which is what, because sometimes I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Sometimes i'd be like, well, not not taking a side
maybe means that you're picking the side that's opposite of
what your fan base wants you to.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
So that's what that means. I mean that that's disheartening.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
But I would say that technically, I don't think she
has a responsibility.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
I think she's here to she's here to make music
that we all love.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
I don't think that it necessarily needs to be her
responsibility to get involved in politics right now.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
I mean, Taylor had to get to the point where
she was literally being called out left and right, and
then she finally made her thing, and she did it
the night of the debate. Yeah, because we saw how
debate wasn't.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
But Taylor also didn't get involved in politics until like
twenty sixteen. I feel like that was the first time
she even like voice that she had any sort of
political opinions.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
But also, Taylor's career is not on the rise. She's
I mean, she could stop tomorrow and be the wealthiest
in Tell the day she dies. You know, Schappele's her
career is still on the rise, like she's skyrocketed. She's
still you know, she's not together to swim. Yeah, so
she might have more to lose, or her management team
might say, hey, you have more to lose if you
take a stand. Yeah, that was fresh Mark.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
I'm gonna get hated for this.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
No, you bring it, girls bring it.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
I think it is pretty gross of her I think
she's pretty gross in general. I don't like her. She's
just such a try hard and she wanted to be
famous for so long and now she's damaged and she
did and expect it coming. Like give me a fucking break,
and you're going to like accept a pink dollar. You
want us to go to your pink pony club, but
the second you have a chance to have our backs,

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you don't want to get involved. Well, I don't want
to get involved with you.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
Buck go.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
And if a certain presidential elect gets into office, he'll
be closing those pink pony clubs.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Exactly like Reed Project twenty twenty five. Dumb bitch.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
That's the point too, is like if she doesn't know
enough to make a decision, I don't want to say
anything anyway.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
I would rather but you know, in other elections, I
would say, you know, we haven't had such a heated
election until this election. I mean I would say the
last and you know, maybe I'm speaking a term. I
would say the last heated election like this and not
on the same level, but was like during like the
Civil War times, all both parties have had respect with
debates even though we didn't agree. It wasn't when it

(31:51):
came down to our basic human rights.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
And so I think to your point when you say,
you know she not taking aside, not taking aside is
taking a side because you're not taking art side.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Yeah. So that's that's that would say to me.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Because of your plus your fan races in the queer community,
and you're saying, oh, I don't, I don't want to
take a side, then you've kind of taken aside.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, so shop will get your shit together.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Okay, that's our girl.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Anyway, Mark, you talk about sex in your professional life,
you know, in your creative life, on your set life,
on your podcasts on cutting discretion advice, and at your
live show. Do you ever get tired about talking about sex?
Do you get desensitized to it?

Speaker 3 (32:28):
No, Like at the a dentist at the end of
the day, it's still going to go home and brush
their teeth, like it's still something that is a necessity,
is still something that you go And I always love
to talk about sex. I was even when I was younger,
like sex is I want to talk about sex with everyone,
so I get paid to do it now, thank you.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
And then being around all these hot men, you know,
people assume, oh, you know, you're you're sitting around left
and right, you get this opportunity, this orgies every night
in your green velvet walled gold bedroom. What is the
reality of that?

Speaker 3 (33:02):
It's not that. No, you, I think to stay in
this industry for as long as I have, you have
to and you, I mean just ethically, you should treat
models with the utmost respect. Don't cross the line ever,
whether you think they're good looking or not good looking,
Like this is a job. You wouldn't go to an
office and like dark finger blasting someone by the coffee machine.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Well you have to show.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Respect as well.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yes, But has this affected your love and dating life? Oo?

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Oh my god, you want me to cry? I maybe
because I am not someone who wants to be with
the partner. That's not something that I'm open to dating.
So maybe subconsciously it's because of my work. I've never
really even like thought of that, and just not someone
who wants to I'm not open to like dating and
this at this point in my life.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Do you ever feel like desensitizes from like, you know,
if you see porn on Twitter now, since you're just
like you know, when you're seeing in front of the
camera because I know for me as a model, I
just even when I'm scrolling through Twitter, some of it
starts to feel like work because I'm looking for like
the next person to collab with, or like that they're
fucking in a hot position, but not because I'm like I'm.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Gonna jack off to this. It's like we should try
that next time.

Speaker 6 (34:16):
But we're gonna like he's doing it, we're like an
uber and then it's like ahh, Like in the back,
I'm like, I have a good rating on Uber?

Speaker 5 (34:23):
Can you please stop that?

Speaker 1 (34:24):
What I've never had like with with you and every
other person behind the camera that I've worked with, No
one ever has you know, like you know, like been
weird or try to touch.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
A model or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
So I'm just wondering if you're just like desensitized to
it and you just see it right there and in
person when you're directing, you know it's weird.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
I don't watch porn and I don't masturbabe, okay things
that people.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I've heard that from some other models though, too, They're
like I just they're like, I just don't watch porn anymore.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
I don't jack off.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Because they're just kind of a little more desensitized to
that because of what we do.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
So then Mark, would you say like being part of
the industry is taking the fun out of sex?

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Then, oh, sex is very fun, and I wouldn't say
that either is fun. Yeah, I just prefer if someone
else did it for me.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Oh okay.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
I know some models that they're just like I want
to save that for the next scene I do or
the next hookup I do. They're like, I don't want
to waste a load. I'm just jacking off.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
And like where's the fun and spot spot Nadians, I.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Guess, but but you know, but we're in an industry
where we're maybe doing it more than other people are.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Okay, all right, so Mark, you still have like date nights?
You just don't want to be in like a relationship
and date night. Well, no, like date nights. I'm being like,
you still hook.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Up like always have anal?

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah? Yes, I was trying to be polite and a
gentleman uses a grinder? Yeah, okay, are you on the ass?

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Absolutely? Okay, not right now?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Well, it's like, Mark, why is it so important that
we as gay men talk so open about our sexuality.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
I think just sex in general, we need to talk
about more. I think that will lead to better sex.
It will all which will lead to better mental states,
will lead to a better economy, which will lead to
a better world. I think that we don't talk enough about,
like with a partner, about what type of sex we like,
Like I would like when you touch my nipples, or
I like when you do this, or I want to

(36:23):
be fucked like that. You normally just meet someone and
you just go for it. But if you had a
manual on how to drive that car, that driving experience
would be so much more. It could do shit, warm
up your seats and shit that you didn't know that
you could do. So I think it's super important that
we talk about sex. That's going to lead to a
better sex and thus a better world.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, and I think healthier sex too. My first anal
experience was a nightmare because I didn't know anything about anything.
I hadn't seen gay porn to that extent, and I
didn't know about certain protections that you should be take,
you know, at that time of my life, and so
I wasn't protecting myself because I just didn't know enough,
you know, And it was like, Lord, now you have
seen the adult industry go through COVID. You know the

(37:05):
age of prep now and you know condomless sex. How
is the industry for you changed the most since your
time in the BIST.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
I think the access to it and there used to
be a much smaller group of guys who did porn,
and you would end up casting the same guys, you know,
the same twenty guys that were doing porn in like
every production. Now, because of COVID and because of only
fans there have been, the stigma is lifted at an

(37:34):
accelerated rate where there are more people who want that
real estate at a studio to push their fan sites
or whatever they have. So I think the quality has
risen because there are just so many more guys who
are open to doing it.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Yeah, I think. I think we've all had to step
up our game.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I mean, I know, and I've gone to like these
socials and like the Avians, the longevity of the people
doing it and the people I see they take it
much more, They take it much more seriously, and they
look at it as a business rather than just like,
oh I'm twenty one years old, let me come do
a couple of scenes and make a quick Buck. You
have models that are in their late twenties and like us,

(38:14):
we're in our mid thirties, like in you know, like
we're just early.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
They're just whatever.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
They're just it's not like I feel like when I
used to think of Sean Coty, you think of like eighteen,
nineteen twenty year olds.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
And now that the.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Models that I work with are old. I don't want
to say older, but they're just you know, they're not
They're diverse.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
There's there's body hair now in Seann Coty. There's gray
hair now in Shawn Coty.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, things are much more diverse.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
But I'll I'll tell you. We were at gay Brunch
a couple of weekends ago and we had this discussion
at the table because one person said Shawn Coty was
their first membership that they ever paid for, and it
was because it was such a certain type. You knew
you were going to get your college boys and it
was hot because it was just that. And now the
brand has diluted itself. He said he hasn't had his
membership for Sean Coty in years. Number one, porn is everywhere,

(39:00):
but also that brand isn't what he likes anymore because
it has become so diverse, so they kind of diluted
their own brand in the sake of being diverse. So
I guess this is another hot topic. You know, do
the studios have an obligation to be diverse and to
represent certain types not feed into certain types as well,
or is it okay for studio to be like, this
is our brand, this is what we stick by.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
I've heard what you're saying about Sean Cody.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
I have too.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
I've seen comments that are they love the diversity, and
I've seen other comments where they're like, taking back to
old Shawn Cody, this is why I subscribe. I subscribed
because it was your caucasian white jocks hairless yeah, hairless muscle.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
You know, and that's why they subscribe.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
They're like, if I wanted to see the other I
would go to the other site that has that. So
I've seen both both discussions happening.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Well and Mark, you know, you know producing for a studio,
have you felt that kind of pressure to kind of
modify things to be in the sake of another word
more woke.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
I have not felt the pressure to do so, but
I'd naturally have always wanted to be as diverse as possible.
I even did a movie a few years back called
Everybody Where it just was every single body type, every
single We had a trans woman in there, We had
big guys, small guys, like it was just every single
body type I think should be represented. And like saying

(40:21):
that John Cody is diluted now and it used to
be just this way. Well, the world has grown up.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
You know.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
We don't have separate water fatlains anymore either, like we
have like we have learned and done better.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
But Mark, you can't tell your body what to respond to.
Like I don't like onions on my burger. I'm never
gonna like onions on my hamburger. Even if you put
onions on a fancy plate, I'm not gonna like onions.
You can't tell your body what you're attracted to.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yes or no, you eat it, you know, not to
eat at my restaurant, Okay, fair enough?

Speaker 5 (40:51):
Or you order and I met the ze onions on it,
you know, because you know they But you're.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Putting onions on my burger if you're putting it in
my porn, do you see what I mean?

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:00):
So if I'm not into chubby Harry guys, and then
they're you know, and Shaan Cody there's an onion in
my burger.

Speaker 6 (41:06):
But I feel like there's so many videos on there
that you know, you just that you just don't watch
that one and you go to the next one.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yeah, because I know, like Sean Cody Menicov, how can
they have thousands of videos?

Speaker 4 (41:17):
So, you know, as a model, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
I love that it's diverse, Like I love that I
get to shoot with different types of guys, so that
that makes no difference to me whether someone that's subscribing
needs to only have one type.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
But I don't know, Mark, I got this email for
you again in a few different ways, and I think
this is probably from writers in the business or wanting
to get in the business. What is your creative process
when you put a scene together, when you put a
film together? You know, I know that you probably kind
of because you're from the professional world, do you kind
of storyboard it? But where does your inspiration come? What
is your actual sit down and write process.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
When it comes to poor Like, I consider myself a
writer before anything else, So that's what I feel like
my biggest strength is is is writing. So when it
comes it's the point I just think, like I said earlier,
there's so many there's so many opportunities, and there's not
as much like red tape as there is in the mainstream.
You can write whatever you find interesting. I always think

(42:13):
it's important for especially gay porn, to have a little
bit of like camp and humor in the sexuality of it,
because I mean, gay sex is like the campiest thing
you can do. So I think it's important to like
acknowledge who we are as a culture and have fun
with it. The most important things to have fun. So

(42:34):
then I go and I sit down and write a story,
and I think, I'm an outdoors I'm an an activity
type of person, so filming outdoors and filming in places
that other people won't do, like filt with sharks, we
were the only I'm the only person who ever filmed
in the Everglades. Like I like to do whatever people
haven't or can't. So I also will then think in

(42:54):
the story, Okay, what can I do that someone else can't,
And so then find a location, I'll find the cast
and then that's that.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Now where do you draw inspiration? Is it from films
you see? Is it your own private fantasies that you're
putting to paper. Where are these ideas coming from? Because
there's a lot of ideas from you over the years.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Yeah, I mean that's a good question that I don't
know the answers to. Like, I have a folder on
my phone that just like I scroll forever, whenever an
idea comes to me, I write it down. Whether it's
a line, or whether it's a scenario, or whether it's
a whole movie. Whatever I'll be doing throughout the day,
I'll write it down. And I tend to write a

(43:34):
lot more after I smoked a joint, So let these
ideas really blow up and get wild.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
And I guess that kind of leads into the next question,
is what you know with all of your awards that
you've received over the years, what sets your work apart?
And I think that that's what you've answered, adding a
little humor, adding a little outside of the box. Is
there anything else that's particularly your signature style that you
think you add to everything that you produce, right direct?

Speaker 3 (43:57):
I know. I mean, I think that's the nail on
the head. I think it's that little wink to the
audience that lets them know, like I like this too,
Like I'm in on this too. Like when gay sex
first became a thing and we were talking about earlier,
like evolving and like finding out that that's what you're into.
It's just it's nice to have that community and be like, Okay,
you you're you like anal too great, Like this is

(44:20):
let's have fun with this. Don't take it too seriously.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah. I think that that's the biggest thing. It's like,
you know, let's just have fun. Like porn is fun,
having sex is fun. Being gay is fun.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Studio porn is so camp.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
It's so camp.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
It's so camp. I love it.

Speaker 5 (44:38):
That was fresh.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Now this next question is all cultural has nothing to
do with porn. But you literally have traveled everywhere, and
when I see your list of everywhere you've traveled, it's
like Jesus. You know small locations, big locations, famous cities,
vacation destinations. When traveling around the globe, what do you
wish US culture understood most about other cultures, because we
know a lot of people in the US kind of

(45:03):
can be in a bubble and don't have the opportunity
to travel as much as you have.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Yeah. I mean that's where the series that I've done
called Global Entry was born. I was in South Africa
on my fortieth birthday trip with my friend Brianca del
Rio who's a drag queen, and she was performing at
these theaters that were sold out in Cape Town and Johannesburg,
of like, it was just gays like packing this place,

(45:28):
and I realized, there's so many gay guys across the world.
Let's go and let's meet them, Let's talk to them,
let's cast them. What is you know, we all have
this one thing in common. We all love Dixon Ass,
and so let's let's explore the cultures of all these
different places. So I think for what's important for Americans
to know outside is that we all like the same

(45:52):
thing and.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
It's what unites us. Maybe actually Kamala's like thing, like,
let's become a united nation. Dixon Ass. All right, Mark,
let's talk podcasting. You already have the adult world and domination,
like you run the empire. Why get into podcasting? We
know how much work it is. How did discretion Advice
come about?

Speaker 3 (46:14):
So they asked me to do Discretion Advice. It was
originally me and sister Roma, and we filmed it three
or four episodes, and Roma just wasn't She didn't I
don't think it was up her alley. She didn't she
didn't love it. And so then they said who else

(46:34):
would you want to do it with? And I said, well,
I'm really good friends with John Hill. We have a
great chemistry. Let's let's try it with him. But I
think it all evolved from doing my Fire Island show
for so many years and being on stage and hosting
these shows and these games where we brought in mainstream
and pop culture and we put them together. I mean sorry,
mainstream pop culture important and we put them together. And

(46:57):
so it was just an easy fit to do the No, it's.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
One thing to be on stage and we know you've
done the show for about ten years now, but being
front and center in front of the podcast, the camera
is on you, like we said, you know, it's a
difference for you. Was there kind of a transition. Did
you have a little nerve going into it, be like, well,
I guess I'm the face of this now and now
you're gonna hear my intimate points of life.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
No, it doesn't like right now, how we're talking right now,
There might be someone watching this right now, but I
don't think of that. I think that we're just talking
to each other. I don't think about you know, whoever
might be watching this, So it just makes it so
much easier not to do what you're doing. Genuinely, don't
go and like think like you guys have been on
a reality show, you know this, Like when the cameras

(47:39):
are up and in your face, your people are gonna
be drawn to you if you are just your authentic self,
good or bad. Like people probably fucking hate that. I said,
I don't like chapelon and I disagree with that. But
you can't be afraid of, you know, sharing your opinion
because that's what you're you're here to do. So you
have to also have thick skin because people are gonna
come for You're going to call you ugly, they're going

(47:59):
to call you fat, they're gonna call you boor, and
they're gonna call you old. They're gonna make funny your
gray hair. They're gonna do all these things. But that's
okay because just like I have my opinion about chapel
someone is allowed to have their opinion about me. We
put ourselves out here in order to entertain, and that's
gonna come with judgment, and that's just part of the gig.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
And I think our community, the queer community has grown
for not just being yes people. If we all thought
a lot, we wouldn't challenge each other to be better activists,
we wouldn't challenge each other on using correct pronouns, we
wouldn't have this. But it's like, this is why differences.
And I think this is why your podcast is so
popular because you are sincere and you know, we know
there's a lot of other sex podcast out there. They're
not as popular as yours, of course, but they're asking

(48:41):
the same kind of stupid questions and they're playing towards
the camera. They're like, do you like dick? You know,
like how big is your dick? And like that's the
only thing that they ask. Yours is so well round.
It's like, yeah, we get a spice of that, we
get that fun. But you also talk about real stuff too,
and I think your sincere approach to it really shapes
it out very well. So compliments to you.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Yes, And I've been on the podcast. I got to
be on the accountess that.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Was the Fame Games, right, that was Yeah, I got
to guess if she's ever been in bed with the woman.
She got to guess if I was circumcised or not.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
Well, he never watched New York. So she's like, wall,
who's the countess?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Never watch New York?

Speaker 5 (49:18):
I did know she.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
I knew she was. I just have not watched that franchise.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Watched the first three seasons.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
We're going through.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Each franchise and watching it from the beginning, like we're
doing Jersey right now, and then like I think we're
gonna do Potomac or Atlanta nex in the New York
I don't.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Know the first three seasons, just like New York first
three seasons.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
YEA mixture views on who says to start? You know
which one, but you know?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
And a long podcast talk that you guys are launching
your podcast. I think it's going to hit next week. Yeah,
what's the inspiration for that? Like you have your audience?
Why why a podcast?

Speaker 5 (49:54):
You know?

Speaker 6 (49:54):
I think most of it came by when we started
sharing so much of our lives and how normal we
thought our lives were we really how normal they aren't
and how shocking, and how many questions people just had
about just some random things we talked about and we're like, well,
let's talk about it. And I think that's kind of
where it came from, and you know, it's it's fun

(50:15):
to do it with your partner, especially the one person
who knows you so intimately, so you know it can
also call bullshit if you're lying, So it's kind of well.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
I think it's important for gay men to also see
that we all you all you guys are like the
glamour queens that you worry about going to the gym,
You worry about gaining weight, you worried about aging, you
worried about brushing your teeth. You have these normal things
about life. You you don't have to do laundry. Like
it's refreshing to know that guys that we think, oh
my god, they have the perfect light because they have
the quote unquote perfect bodies. No, it's it's work and

(50:47):
they have insecurities just like some of the Curby girls do.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
And I don't.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
Yes, I don't have to do the laundry he does
that I liked.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I like to do laundry.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
I do. It's fun.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
It's stressful, I will say, though, you know, just to
speak to people having opinions, like people, but sometimes there
are people they don't like when we say we have
insecurities like that like we're not allowed to and you.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
Know that it's like insulting to them that it's refreshing.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Yeah, yeah, it so is.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Okay Mark mixing and figureheads from pop culture and reality TV.
You've had the most famous housewives. We're all gagging and
we're all jealous. We know that even today, there still
is a stigma where porn exists. How did you get
to bridge that gap? How did you get these women
not to just join the conversation, but they're joining the
party behind the conversation as well, Like they're dancing with you,

(51:36):
they're talking sex, they're playing sex games. How in the
world did that start? How are you able to build
that bridge?

Speaker 3 (51:44):
I mean, they love it. These these women love it.
They are looking for this opportunity to get down on
dirty And I think that's where I haven't talked about
it yet, but I feel like I can talk about
it here. We are filming the Fire Island Show is
now becoming a show that we're filming.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Shot up. That's amazing, congratulations.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Thank you, And we start filming that next month in
Monica from Salt Lake City is going to be on it.
And these women are just looking for an opportunity to
let loose and have fun. So all you have to
do is ask, and they've all said yes. Not everybody
said yes, Picky Gumbles that said no. Well she's also changed,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Now she's changed over the years. And to your point,
who just said, because we know she's attention for her right,
She's like, I'm done with Osi now She's like, can
I be who?

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Actually have no idea she is?

Speaker 2 (52:32):
No, I know very well who she is and how.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
She I haven't watched the George County franchise yet.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
But she's changed, like part of her party girls sensibility
has left. But you are very right. She loves attention.
Now she sees all these other housewives, she's going to
be calling you like, can we whoop it up?

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Yeah? They do.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
They do get jealous of each other, even like Melissa
Gorga has admitted this to me, like the girls get
jealous of each other. One of them gets an opportunity
to do some gay shift, yes, and the other one
wants the opportunity. They love their gay.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
So all you have to get is one of them
on there for the franchise, and then they.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
All we had Danielle cabral Fly from Jersey to here
to La. She had a couple of other interviews, but
she came in studio and we had like the best talk.
You can imagine. My inbox after that was like all
of like the subhouse lives. I'm like, girl, you can't
bring it like Danielle did.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Okay off the record that you what did she throw
a glass at you? No?

Speaker 2 (53:23):
No, we had such a great time. Girl. Now you
don't have to mention a name, but mention a franchise,
because I don't want to burn any bridges. What has
been a Housewife nightmare meeting or episode or it just
did not go well. Just name the franchise that they're.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
From New York.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I'm gonna go look every single person from.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
It's a tough city. I mean, that's why I love
New York and that's why I live here. But these
bitches are brutal in New York, and so sometimes they're very,
very difficult to deal with. You have to do a
ton of babysitting and a ton of demands, and you
just have to be on their beck and call because
they will need you every five seconds.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
One hundred percent. And I found that the New York
Housewife cast, the older cast, the Legacy cast, if you will.
They're also the most politically incorrect. They don't know the
right words to use for our community. They're also the
most uneducated when it comes to our community. I mean,
Ramona Singer doesn't even know what LGBTQ. I mean, she
was saying like every other letter, and she's like, I'm
very in with my zwq's like, and.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Then Luanne called her out on the Fire Island Show.
She's like, I love Ramona, but that bitch is a Republican.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
No.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
And so here's the reality too. A lot of them
are Republicans and we're talking about choosing sides. Who are
their fans? Are the gays? Who's at Bravo kan are
the gays?

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Is that a tough conversation to have with them when
you know they're Republican?

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Like that, did you call them out?

Speaker 3 (54:48):
I haven't had any. Oh, Okay, we get to choose
who we invite.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
That's what I mean. Do you yeah? Do you do
you stay away from those? Okay?

Speaker 3 (54:54):
I haven't asked the Ramona's the least the barlows like
I haven't asked the Republican.

Speaker 5 (54:59):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
The delusion and Ramona's dangerous because she's just not a Republican.
She's an uneducated Republican. She doesn't know why she's Republican,
and she's not educated about our community. But she wants
to be front row at our pride parades even though
she doesn't know how to hold the flag.

Speaker 5 (55:13):
Oh, she must be related to me.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Maybe she was a castlean friend house feet.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Mark.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
I want to know, with everything that you've accomplished, and
you're still so young, like you have all of this
ahead of you, and look at like everything you've done,
what do you want most in building your career legacy?
So when somebody mentions Mark, you want to you want
them to feel this from everything that you've built so far.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Humor, laughter. I think that everyoneted to laugh at everything.
I think that life is so fucking hard and so
difficult for everyone that if I could bring a little laugh,
a little lumpkin spice to your latte.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Then here's kind of a hot topic and it kind
of deals with our current election, but it's happened under
Biden's rain as well. There are adult restrictions happening all
over the States in the name of morality and child protection.
Many adult websites like flesh Butt, which you know I
write for and Pornham have pulled out of many states,
and the state list keeps growing and growing. It's like

(56:09):
a domino effect. And this is under Biden's rule. What's
going to happen do you think in the adult industry?
Because you can't say we don't care about protecting miners,
because of course we all do. I mean we're not.
You know certain people that are in jail right now.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
But with p Diddy, you know he's in the same jails.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
No get out.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
And Diddy are in the same jail. Can you imagine
his surprise when they're probably best.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
That's crazy, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Yeah, there are different units, but they would be in
the same unit if well we know what they're in for.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Yeah, they probably have a lot of note.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
If you saw The Menanda's Monsters on Netflix, there's a
scene where one of the Minetta's brothers is put right
next to OJ when they captured when they they captured OJ,
and they have a conversation and I was like, well,
that's Ryan Murphy, you know, making a fantasy again that
is one hundred percent true. Oja and one of the
Menandez brothers. I forget, who's Lile or Eric were put
next door and they had a whole conversation all night,

(57:12):
and it's like, what do you two murders have to
talk about? Yeah, anyway, so back to this, but so
there are many states that if you can't access Pornhub,
you can't access any adult sites. And it's attacking smaller
adult websites who don't have the money to build a
verification system. And I'll just tell you from Fleshbot's point
of view, to build a verification system and to keep

(57:33):
it maintained on your own what cost hundreds of thousands
of dollars. Smaller websites don't have that. I don't know
any studios that have that each month just to keep
people going to their website. And so we are losing
representation only fans. You know, you have certain people who
are Republican castmates from House of Heat that are supporting this.
It's like, well, OnlyFans is going to be restricted, you know,

(57:54):
And this is under this current rule. Can you imagine
under full Republican rule? Mark, what do you think is
going to happen with all of this?

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Well, I do think that the age beverorification is important.
I do think that we need to find a way
to do it more cost effectively because it needs to
be done. We can't just let people have what other website,
big or small and not do age verification. I I
think it's very important to protect the kids from what
we're doing. I don't want any children watching what we're making.

(58:22):
So I think I feel comfortable with the site. Who's
going to verify that? So I think we just have
to find a cheaper way to do it. There's I
don't know, ordered door checking.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Id's I think that would be My hope too, is
that it would be like cheaper for them to do
or they're be made more accessible for them to have.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
That very making it expensive is the government because they
don't want these sites. That's the basis we need to
have it.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
That's important.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
But we know when porn hub releases, they're yearly. You
know who's accessing porn Hub and who's accessing some of
the most taboo stuff is the Bible Belt, which is
very you know odd. But they're making it so expensive
and they're making it that you have to upload a
copy of your driver's license to access an adult website.
I don't want to put my driver's license up for
I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Mean when I first think of that, though, I feel
like you should have to upload something that proves, like
you can't just be like you say, you're eighteen and
here's your birthday that they need something, we need some.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Pro But until that time, adult sites are just did
disappear it. And so you know, adult sites based on traffics.
Even studios, you know they can make a big budget film,
but they need those visits because it clicks into advertisers, sponsorships, memberships.
So you take state by state, a state and the
list is growing rapidly.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Yeah, I mean, I I'm really happy that only fans
does it because I'm on We're on our only fans
every day talking to our subscribers and having you know,
we we do a lot of a dirty talking with
them to fulfill their fantasies. So I like that there's
a verification. So I know that all of those people
are over eighteen.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Good plug.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
So but we.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Know only fans. It's such an empire. But I'm talking
about like the middle market, the smaller park market of
studios that are just putting out great content and need
to make a living, and now they're shut down. Even
adult products are now restricted, and it's also restricting certain
LGBTQ sites that are seen as sexual because it's sex education.
So as a queer boy growing up, I didn't have access.

(01:00:12):
I had the AOL, which it would take an hour
to load somebody's picture, much less going to a website,
and so I didn't have the education that I should
have had by clicking on how to have gay sex
medically speaking, you know, how to be protected, all of
that stuff. So that access is now being taken away
because it's considered an adult site.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Interesting, so I think, what are.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
We going to wake up once?

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Because if you look statistically, this is a terrible aspect
of this. But the countries who in the cities that
ban porn there the rate of rapes and sexual assaults
in those countries and cities is astronomically higher than the
cities and countries where porn is available.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
That is really interesting because people are able to work
out their fantasies and their frustrations. That is really really interesting.
I did not core late that we need to get
the rock thought, yeah, because it builds up.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
I think it also is you know they talk about
when isn't it when when states and cities that educate
more on practices of safe sex, Like there's less teenage pregnancies,
you know, so all I feel like all of that abortions.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Yeah, so less abortions.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
I feel like all of it correlates is that we
should all have access to safe sex or sex education.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
That was fresh. All right, this is our final hot
topic before we wrap up. This has become a new
hot topic. You know, we've been talking about gay for
pay for years. We have our Johnny Rapids, we have
our res rideouts. We know that the Strait they have
female partners and but you know, they're leading names in industry,
and we've just kind of accept gay for pay is

(01:01:46):
just here to stay and why people might complain whatever,
People are still watching the videos. But here is the
new hot topic and it's not new, but it's becoming
more produced and more accepted. Is straight for pay. So,
in fact, I talked with Derek Cage. I talked to
Derek Cage today for Fleshpot. Dylan Diaz, we know is
filming a lot of straight and by content.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
I just thought Derek Cage was by is he not?

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Oh girl, have you met him? I?

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Actually I haven't had the privilege of meeting or filming
with him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Yet No, so he may talk like this, but when
he's at parties like what girl.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
I talk like that on a Monday morning.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
No, but it actually started. I don't know if anybody
remembers like Blake Riley or Cameron, I forget when his
last name. They started. They filmed heter Aossectual and everybody
went bonkers, and then men dot Com in twenty eighteen
did the first by scene with a Rod. You guys
know a Rod, and everybody went crazy that men dot
Com had to take the scene down because the gays
lost their shit. Then Alrod made a statement saying I'm

(01:02:51):
a gay man, and I mean we know he had
to escape his country to be a gay man. He
says it was a job and I got paid. But
that was twenty eighteen and only now are we starting
to see more scenes where identify as gay lead gay
lives are filming. How is that different than gay for pay?
And the fans are still not having a good time
of it. So Derek did like a summer tour with

(01:03:12):
Sophie Locke is her name. They're great friends. They met
at the Gay Yeans and they filmed a bunch of content.
Derek's fans came after him, saying that you're a poser.
You've just took taken our gay money, but you must
be straight because now you're sleeping. Not to mention he
has a huge library of gay content. But this is
a new hot topic. Is being straight for pay different
than being gay for pay? Should the gays be losing

(01:03:35):
their shit?

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I'm gonna get in trouble for saying this because I
shoot in the studio horn.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
But it's just an open dialogue.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Okay, I'll just say for for I'm going to tell
her for saying this. Anyone that I shoot with for studio,
I'm here, I'm a professional. I'm going to shoot with you, straight, gay, whatever.
But for Cody Nis OnlyFans, we don't shoot with straight eyes.
But that's your personals, our personal preference. Like I want
to shoot with people that I like. If we're gonna
shoot with someone for only fans, have a threesome, I

(01:04:06):
phone him, he films me. I want to know that, yes,
there's always a performative aspect to it, but I want
to know that this person genuinely enjoys dick or ass
and so we just.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
We don't shoot with straight guys I've had. I didn't
know he was straight.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
His manager just to speak to that. His manager is
the one that set that up for us. I told
him that we don't shoot with straight guys. He said, oh,
he likes a sex, he says. His manager lied.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
No, he does like a sex because he gets paid
for he.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
I said, we don't shoot with straight guys. He said, no,
he's on the spectrum. Yeah, he said that. His manager
said that. I'm just going to say that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
He's literally staying at my house right now for two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
I love, I love, I loved hanging out with them.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
I'm just for us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
We've just he also supports our commune. He's at the
gay bars every night taking pictures with fans. He's hanging
out with us.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Oh, you just know that in his life he's a
straight man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
I just know there's so many there's so many gay creators.
I don't need to shoot with a straight one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
So that's the fight. Also, they say that we've fought
so hard for gay representation in gay porn because gay
porn used to be always you know, it was straight
porn that got all the attention. Gay porn and Mark,
You're part of this is making it part of mainstream
and so we are becoming as popular as straight porn,
and so they're saying, we fought so hard for this representation,
why are we giving our roles to straight men? Just

(01:05:33):
like Hollywood is having this conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:05:34):
I think my just my personal beliefs, Like I if
I saw like my favorite porn actor doing straight porn,
I would lose kind of the fantasy of them from
doing That's that's that's like personally what my issue is.
I'm not going to come at you for it, but
will I probably start stop watching your gay porn? Yeah,

(01:05:54):
I will probably stop watching your gay porne hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
And we're all being honest here. That has happened to me.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
Oh, no one watches your gay porn anymore?

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Only no, But I've lost interest because I'm like, that
doesn't excite me, and I know it makes me doubt
the sincerity of their really hot scenes. I'm like that
they weren't really into it, they were just playing it.
But you guys are actors and so summon or even
if you're with a gay guy at a studio, he
may not be your type at all. You still have
to act the part. So for our prospective, everything that

(01:06:23):
you do is fantasy and is active.

Speaker 6 (01:06:25):
I'm attracted to all my scene that's the exact one.
That's the exact reason why I don't. I don't do
studio porn is because I can't cross that line.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Your poker. You don't have a poker.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
I can find someone that I'm attracted to about every scene.
Partner I've ever shot with.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
I could, I could, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
But but and I but I have shot for studios
I've shot with with straight eyes and I you know,
That's why I am cautious to say that, because I
don't want anyone to think I'm gonna come into a
scene and be like, oh no, but just for our
for our own only fans, we just prefer we just
prefer to.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
I can lie about my face, can't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
They give you like a wrong piece of toads? And
you're like, oh, now, okay, now what about like go
straight for pay?

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
Yeah, so I here's five.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Thousand dollars, go film with this girl down the hall?
What are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
I'm not gonna like, I'm not gonna tell them how
to make their their coin, just like they gave for
pay to the straight for pay, I mean, go do
your thing.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
You do it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Here's five thousand dollars. You have to film at thirty
minute toot.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Uh no, no, no, that what I would do is
I would shoot with a transman because that actually I
think might I think would turn me on.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
But I don't think I would do the other.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Yeah, Mark, I mean, you've been on all sides of
the industry. What's your take on this whole thing?

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
So I actually speaking of the first men dot com biascene,
I filmed their second one, oh wow, and I got
so much shit for events. Gay men were so disappointed
that I directed a by scene and that I don't
really I don't love that. I don't think that as

(01:08:01):
gay men, we are already part of the minorities sexually,
so then we're gonna also like judge someone else for
stepping outside of that. I think that sex should be
explored by everyone and anyone in whichever way they want
to do it, as long as there's consent, as long
as they're into it. I don't love the guys who
are like coming to a set like I'm very straight,
Like you said, you don't film with straight guys anymore,

(01:08:23):
like Diego did the same thing because he didn't famously
did not get along with Johnny wrap It on the
set of Pirates of the Caribbean and the like. After that,
he's like, I'm not going to film with straight guys anymore.
So I think we should always respect those choices, but not,
I don't know, be so quick to judge anybody else's
sexuality or like you said, on the spectrum, and for

(01:08:46):
the record, I'm on the spectrum too, so don't come
after me autism community. I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
And here's the thing. Even sexuality is changed. When I
came out, there was gay and straight. If you said
you were by you were really gay. It was just
like a footstep, that's what the assumption was. Now we
have so many different types of sexuality. There's even a
sexual where you just don't want sex at all. And
so I think sexual sex is so fluid, and of
course it's going to be represented in our porn. And
I don't know about some gays, but we've had drunken

(01:09:14):
nights and I was engaged to be married at one
point to a girl. Like we've all had different experiences
in our life and to limit that marked to your point,
I think is did you just look at me that way, Tony, whatever?
But I think you're right to limit and to get
so angry. We wanted inclusion, we wanted equality. Well this
is part of it. Some men like to sleep with

(01:09:35):
women and guys. Some guys like to make a paycheck,
and you jerk off to it. So go there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
I would yeah, I would never. I would never be
angry at someone for doing it. I mean, I was
just shooting some men dot com and two weeks ago
with Sean Cody back to back I shot with my
scene partners were straight, The scenes were great, like, they
were wonderful to work with. I very much enjoyed the
scene we did. Just so I do go back and

(01:10:01):
forth with this of of like I mean, and the
scene we did is reached right up for OnlyFans was
a great scene.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
We all got along, we had a great time doing
what we were doing. It.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Just when I think about my preference, I would just
prefer for my only fans to shoot with someone who
is somewhat on the spectrum or likes guys in some way,
you know, not not gay.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
They could be by or Pan or whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:10:25):
Honestly, just even thinking about it, like as your partner,
Like if you would like do a straight scene, I
don't think I'm okay with that?

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Wow, well there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Okay, Well for you to talk about it, I was
totally gonna say, I'm I would do it, but you know,
since my body.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
But that's an interesting Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
I only you don't need to do I don't need to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
But when I do think I've when I'm going on Twitter,
I've seen trans men that I'm attracted to, So I
think that that's something I'd be open to. But the
rest doesn't do it for me. So I don't think
that I would want to because there's so many I
already have so many other uh scenes that are available
to me and like I said, other game in for
our only fans. It's like, why do I need to
go do that when there's already all this available.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Yes, So it's like I wouldn't want to have sex
with the lesbian because I know they're not going to
like that. So it would be hard to be vulnerable
in film something if you're having sex with someone who
you know doesn't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Yeah, Mark, would you direct a straight scene?

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
I have? I've directed everything I've directed. There was a
scene I did for trans Angel where it was a
CIS woman and a trans woman, but then this CIS
woman put a strap on on and it's fucked the
trans woman. So I am open to explore in all
different sexualities.

Speaker 6 (01:11:41):
That's what's so confusing for me is you know, I
can I can understand some what you know, people getting
hate if they're doing straight poor and they're gay. But
as a director, that's where I'm lost. It's like, why
would anyone?

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
I don't think the director would have hate, but they
have a certain talent, Like Steven Spielberg has a talent
for what he does. He's not going to direct a
reality TV show terrible at it?

Speaker 6 (01:12:00):
Yeah, by one, compare gay porn and straight porn with
like TV in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
A movie from Well No No. But like, as a
gay man director, you know what feels good? You know
what positions you want to see as a gay man.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
Yeah, Like that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
You don't know what a straight guy wants to see
on the screen, do you know what I mean? Like
they want less dick and more ticks, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
But they won't know until they get to direct one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
All right, We need to wrap up Mark. I want
to know, how are you Mark the person most different
than Mark the persona that we say.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Nate, I'm actually incredibly shy in my personal life. I
don't like to go out. I don't drink alcohol, I
don't go out to like. I don't love to be
out at any parties. Like when I met YouTube, I
stayed in that club in Vegas for approximately like thirteen seconds, wow,
and then I got out of there. I'm very nervous
around crowds. I think, like, I don't know, I just

(01:12:52):
like don't love to be around a bunch of people.
I'm kind of reclusive and I stay inside.

Speaker 5 (01:12:57):
You say that I actually remember now, I remember going
to something there Where do he go?

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
But it's funny because I've seen you kill it on
the red carpet, like you and John killed it, you know,
at the Gay the ends and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
That's easy when it work, is I think that's just
what makes me so different. Mcnamarica manally, like, I'm very
gregarious and open, and when there's a mic in front
of me, I can talk about anything else. But if
I were to go to like a bar and a
stranger would come up and say hi to me, how dare.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
You all right? So don't come up and say to Mark,
I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
I think that's what you know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
In sometimes people think introverted means you're just gonna be
quiet and shy. It's like no, like you can come out, perform,
do your thing, but then you need to go home
and recharge.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Like that's that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
I know you guys. Now you guys when you guys
go out like you guys go out and have fun.
But there's also the you're like you're not leaving the
house for anything.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
I usually need to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
I realize as I'm getting older, I'm a little more
more introverted, Like I need to be home to recharge,
Like my social battery goes goes down faster than his mine.

Speaker 6 (01:14:02):
It's like some weeks I could go every night, and
then there's weeks I don't want to be talked to.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
Yeah, yeah, we came in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
We're all we all have different Thanks Mark. Lastly, what
is your message to your fans?

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Oh my god, well thank you for being interested? Like
how grateful am I to have this career for so
long and be able to do anything that I just
put my mind to and and have been given yes
like people like Tim Valentia, Falcon nakeds or Love just
an incredible leader and a boss, and just to always

(01:14:35):
support the arts. And I just thank you all for
letting me provide entertainment for you. It's an honor. I
love that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Mark. Where do you want people to find and follow you?
Or do you not want them to find you because
you're an introvert?

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
I live in health kitchen exactly, Mark mcnamarth. I do
love when people say hi, Like I don't mean don't
come stay hi to me. I'm just don't be surprised
if I'm incredibly shy when you meet me. That's just
who I am. But you can find me at Mark
McNamara across the board, on Twitter, on Instagram, and I

(01:15:11):
do have a TikTok, but I don't really do that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
It isn't talk.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
And so for this film show, this film that you're
filming in Fire Island with Monica and the whole crew
is there gonna be like a live audience.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
It's not gonna be shot in Fire Island, but it's
gonna be shot in New York. The first two are
gonna be shot in New York and then we will
probably go to different resorts around the world shooting it
if it works out. But yeah, it will be a
live audience that they're going to have. Everyone's going to
be in resort where so it's going to be a
sexy live audience.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
So like if we jumped on a plane, could we
sit in the audience and hang out sometimes?

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Yeah? October thirteenth, Wow, October is getting booked.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
It is because of you, Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
It has been such a pleasure to sit and chat
with you. I'm such a fan of everything that you do. Obviously,
you're a hustler. You work super hard and your your
product is just top notch and I think you're setting
the bar high in the industry. And thank you for
doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Well, thank you so much. I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
All right, Cody Sumner, where can people find and follow you?
And what's your message to your fans?

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Well, you can find us at Cody some on everything,
ko A t y s U, m on TikTok, Twitter,
only fans all of it, literally everything.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
What's our message to our fans just.

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
That we love them and keep following.

Speaker 6 (01:16:36):
We got a lot of stuff coming, so yeah, we're excited.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Yep, look for their podcasting soon in bed with Cody
and Sumner and a Watchhouse of Heat too. It's streaming
for free onto.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
B Oh yeah that that old show. Oh yeah, that's
so loud.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
That's Runaways are and we got to do stupid shit
to get attention anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
No, yeah, so no, we we do.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
We We love our fancy you guys much to mean
we wouldn't be here without you, so you know, thank
you all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Right, fabulous? Well that's all folks. It's always a grab backup, Mark,
did you have want one more thing to say?

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
I just want to say thank you to you because,
as someone who knows the gig of the podcast, you
were so good and so natural and so like eper resting,
like I enjoyed doing it with someone who is so
good at their job. So thank you so much, Alexander.
And I also want to thank Cody and Sumner because
it's so nice to have and I'm so excited about
your podcast. It's so nice to have people and a
couple to look look up to who's like going and

(01:17:28):
looking at wedding venues and kind of doing this like
fantasy life that we all like dream of one day,
So like, thank you for putting yourselves out there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Of course, thank you, they're going to clip that. Oh
just a love past here, Well, thank you everybody. It's
always a grab bag of fun here every weekend on
the Rocks. Big thank you to our engineer Tony sweet
Now yes, speaking of house fives. Speaking of housewives, Taylor Armstrong,
who was on Real Housewives of Oci and Beverly Hills

(01:17:56):
is coming by. We have Michael Varati who's a writer
producer because we're getting into how he's a writer producer
of all things horror, including The Boulet Brothers, Dragula. And
we have a celebrity exorcist who has worked with a
list celebrities as a real exorcist and I've chatted with her.
She is unbelievable. Whether you believe or not believe, you
are just captivated by her. So that's all coming up

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