Broadway & screen vixens Carly Jibson (Hairspray, Cry-Baby, The Guestbook) & Emma Hunton (Rent, Wicked, Good Trouble)

On this episode of On the Rocks, get out the rock gear, we chat with the vixens of stage and screen, Carly Jibson from Hairspray, Cry Baby, and The Guestbook, and Emma Hunton from Wicked, Rent, and Good Trouble, as we take a hysterical and emotional deep dive into their careers, hot topics, working through grief, girl code, the power of friendship, and more. We also get the lowdown on their new classic rock cover band, Tell Yer Dad I Said Hi...with your host, Alexander Rodriguez. Raise a glass, it's On the Rocks!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Hello on the Rockers, gird your llowynce. We have the
vixens of stage and screen, Cardly Gypson from Hairscrape, Cry
Baby the Guest Book, and em Imunted from Wicked, Red
Good Trouble coming together for a little classic rock. Tell
your dad I said, Hi, That's how I have to say,
I don't know.

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I love you. That's perfect.

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Big in Boston love Boston.

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my own voice in the thin. I just want to
make sure that I'm broadcasting my beautif whole, sultry baritone.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
I'm getting it. I'm getting No, You're not gonna tell
your dadless that I'm being heard. Carly's heard chefs.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
They got you in basting bitch, all right on that
not Let's get the show on the road now I
can hear. There we go. Carly Gipson, hailing from the Midwest,
made the bold choice to move to New York, which
she was just seventeen who needs to do senior in
high school. She landed the role of Tracy turned Blad
for the national Broadway tour.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Is Tracy turn Blood.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
That's there, there we go? And then.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Oh my god, coming in.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Where we are?

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Did you did you make a note? I'm She brought
her hair.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Spray brackt to New York, not Nicky, making her Broadway
debut on the show. She also original had the role
of Pep Walker in Broadway's Cry Baby. Has appeared on
stages all around, released her album Best of Me, appeared
on TV, and All My Children. The guest book in
Netflix is Holiday in the Vineyards. She's done parody, musical,
she's been a spice girl, and now she's joining forces
with our next guest. Please welcome Carly Gipsy. Yeah we go.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Oh my god, look at that?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Is that your best side? It looks so good to me.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Ever got to know your sides? You got to know
your Laura Angle.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I know my sides at Boston Market, Boston. My sides
are mechanamesb.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Boston, that is the third bos.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I love the guys from Boston because they're Median and they're.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Like I had a psychic tell me that I would
meet the love of my life in Boston, and I
haven't been back since.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Well, Boston does butt stuff. That's why I feel. That's
why you like it.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
You're in theater, you don't do butt stuff, of course, yes,
speaking of butt stuff. Emma Hunting she's an LA native.
She made her Broadway debut in Spring Awakening to the
National Tour up Next to Normal off Broadway in rent
and also made Wicked History is the Youngest US alphabave
by Peers in the National Tour. She was a fan
favorite as v A. Moss in the free farm series
Good Trouble. She's appeared in Angels Station nineteen. She's also

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appeared in the number of parody musicals as well, including
The Exorcist, We're going to Talk About That and Who
Can Forget Who? Powerful, appears in Edward Scissorhands So Good.
I to see it three times, and now she's joined
forces with Carli Gibson to form the epic classic rock
cover band Tell your Dad, I said, Hi, I still
don't know why I have to say it like that.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
It's perfect.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
But even when I was typing it over, I was like,
why is that?

Speaker 1 (04:29):
It's the year and the year we wanted it like that? Perfect?
Of course, it's giving across the exact vibe that we
were going, perfect, fair perfect.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
They're making their debut in Los Angeles on May Sunday,
May fourth, at the Iconic Halloween. Well Halloween, that's going
to be the name of your Halloween show now, like
it's going to have to get Yeah, they're making their

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iconic La you at the three clubs. That's right, Specialty cocktails,
food trucks, dancers, and rock and roll. Like you have
something better to do on Sunday Fun Day, the day
before the.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Day before celebrating.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, I hope you have a piana.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Okay, Well, well we have a food truck.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Ye, there'll be tacos there for your day out.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
You can hit it with a stick to make a
move that make the tacos come out.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I'm sure half of your audience will be ready to.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Get the prince and take a taco vending machine. Yeah, yeah,
that'd be fun.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, knowing your many gay fans half the audience, I'll
be hidden with the stick that little bit att Please welcome.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
The best intro ever. I want that. I want that,
like at the bottom of my resumes. Every single word
that was just said. They're like your boy starting with
long speaking of butt stuff to ellipses.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Your agent's real happy right now she does but stuff.
Now let's call Minx season four.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Oh, I think her reps would be thrilled to find
out the butt stuff. They're like, finally she's ready to
do porn.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
White load of season four? Did you watch the finale?

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Did you watch a finale?

Speaker 2 (06:09):
So HBO Max set me the screeners. They sent me
episodes one through five, and then I had to wait
with everybody else, but they refused to send the finale,
so I had to wait and wait and wait and wait.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
That sounds right, that is first world problems, but we
all thought right, Ever, yes, no, I don't watch Karl
doesn't watch that or Severance, and it makes me really sad.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I couldn't get into Severance.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I gave it to okay cheers that I couldn't get it.
But I'd be on it if I'm the only intellectual.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
It's like Waiting for Good. It's like Waiting for Good. Ot,
did we really like it?

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah? We love it.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
You don't see a parody musical of Waiting for Good?

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Do you know what I bet? I bet your Audi
loves it. You're audy or your Audi like an Audi belly.
If you watch you know, if you watch Severance, you
would know was a deep cut. It's like it's like
the first episode thing.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
It was like a dose of micwel for me, cheers.
This was the actress in it who I love and
I watched it just for her.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Patricia Qua.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yes, I love right, Well, yeah she kind of did.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Oh no, she did. That's hard to keep up all wrong.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
And Adam Scott's such a cutie.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
But is he problematic to no?

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I mean, it's just the show. Was I kept?

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Oh, I love the show. I just I can't. I
can't relate. I like, we're to pivot now sponsored by
Apple and HBO.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Max. You've both done the show, but it's been a
while since since we've hung out.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
We need to catch on a minute.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, and just for our audience, we're gonna be talking
about hot topics from your career, so get in. I
love that.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
It was like hot pockets, hot top.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
You're talking to the hote were like, oh that college
food and like uh huh in college, Like I didn't
have this morning watching Judge.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Judy dyslexic person was like no, And now that they
made the air fier, hot pockets need a full research
because they.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Took the sleeve away from us.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
And as they should, because that was that was cancer.
That was just killing killing trees. It was it was
a crisper.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
It was still soggy and sad. Yeah, but it's not
a college food. It's a meat food.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
It's a person food, the people food.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
But we have to know people. How did you both meet? Oh?

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Okay, okay, the but no government names the radiovers I'm
I wasn't even going to go that. I wasn't even
gonna go that.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
To you can go that, you can, but just no
government names Bert and Ernie.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Okay, Bert, I don't even need to do that. So
this is actually the first night we'ves It was no
governmenteen years ago at the Duplex in New York City
on Christopher Street right off of the lawn two three
and I watched Carle. Carly was hosting a concert or
something of that nature. Was something I was black, car

(09:00):
she but like but there was something about her that
I was like, Oh, this person and I would get
along like Gangbuster. Keep in mind, she was seventeen at
the bar. I was older than that you were. I
could legally drink No not could I not? No, it
doesn't matter. I couldn't matter because I was twenty. I
was twenty three, and we're seven years You were seventeen.

(09:20):
I was seven years apart. Yeah, no, I know, I know,
I'm so old and she's so young. Nanny. So she
at the at the end of the concert or whatever
that whatever it was, I don't even remember what it
was because I was well, because you're really nice. It
wasn't a concert. It was mostly Sonheim, which I opened

(09:40):
my but I was because anyone who knows Carly, I
tell Carly this all the time. She's one of my
best friends. She's my sister. She is the funniest person
in the room, no matter what room you're in. She
can make you laugh at a funeral like she brings
levity to any situation. Truly, the funniest person I've ever met.
In my life. So as soon as I saw that
on stage, I was like, I want to be friends
with that. And I was there. I can't remember who
I was with because I don't even think I'm friends

(10:02):
with them anymore, but they were like, you and Carly
Gibson would be best friends. And I met her really drunk, Okay,
you can do it, and she was hooking up with
this person that we will not name. I will not
name her, but I was I was tongue deep down.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Girl, Christopher's like a cigarette, a.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Cigarette you heard it here first, a cigarette in each hand,
and I was like, I like, I think I literally
tapped you on the shoulder. I was like, Hi, do
you have a light? Like clearly you do, Like I
think you were like do you just want this one?
Best friends? But like from that moment on we became
best and I think, like you stopped. I'm not giving

(10:43):
you enough credit. You did start. You talked to me
after that, and like from that moment you met like
you met me the kis met. It was just obviously
you click with certain people and you know that the
energy is there, and I feel like I'm a woo
woo person. So I was like as soon as I
met her, I was like, we knew each other in
a past life, and so now I just need to
meet you in this one. And as soon as we meet,
you're gonna know that we're best friends. And we have been.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
We've been crossing paths randomly over the years since then,
ever since, and then we came back together, like she
went on tour and I was doing stuff live in
our own life.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Are you like beaches, writing each other letters on the
whole thing. We snapchatting each other like we.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
See each other. Parties were like, oh y, we've done
scream fat Cigarette. We did Scream together at the Rock,
but we played the same role. We never got to
see each other, so weird yep, So like we would
always cross past but it wasn't until so I lost
my mom in twenty thirteen, and when her mom got
diagnosed with cancer that she found out on Thanksgiving, she

(11:36):
reached out to me because I was the only other
person that she knew to be like, you've gone through
this whatever, but that's really when we've been in from
that moment on, I mean, every day we've either spoken
or seen each other. Yeah, and it's just and now
we live ten minutes from each other, and I can't.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
That's one day a week best friends though, yeah, like
next door to a best friend.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
That's right much.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Ten minutes is the purpose.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
It's no, it's the perfect. It's the perfect in.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Your hot pocket, getting your slippers and you.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Can get in her scooter because she doesn't. We don't
try either. We're New Yorkers, so we don't. Well, oh
my god, that gave me instant I've hurt.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I have that effect on people. She falls in love
with you, and people around me still think that's on
this so hot is so cute.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
And he's in our band. So he plays the bass in.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Our He made a post that he hasn't really played guitar.
Now he's playing for you guys. That's a lot of
pressure for him.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
You know what, You're not wrong and that man, but
he knows it. He knows.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I mean, if there's no sex, there's no but stuff,
there's no.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
His name is an Emma Hunting, so yeah, but he's
in the butt stuff too, or I am. I don't
know which way it goes. It doesn't matter. You're married
if you are, he yeah, we're married.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
So straight men are doing a lot of butt stuff
lately that's like the new thing.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Well it's not new, it's just we're normalizing it.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
But finally that's very But have something. Now the streets
are wearing polish, that's like, can we and now they're
wearing dresses on the red carpet?

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Do we gaze not get anything?

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Just to us? You know what, We didn't get brunches
to ourselves anymore.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
You never did get that is true, never Russian. Ally
as a white woman from California, I'll fight you on
that's the one lady. So I think we accidentally invented
brunch in high school when we like smuggled a bottle
of champagne and we were like, here was some orange juice.

(13:34):
It's fine. I love it with the lunch of thele.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
What we used to do in high school is you
guys are so adorable. I'm getting jealous, just like I
look at your wedding pictures and all your pictures, like,
oh god, how many wedding pictures can I see? We
know you wore a dress.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Okay, I know.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
How about from this angle? How about from this angle?
How about from this angle? But in high school, we
used to get a syringe a vodka and put it
in an orange and soldering class. We would stuck on
the orange.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
That is so early stage alcoholism. Better, so much better
than what the girls in my high school did, which
was so damn punks.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
And they put it up yeah because boofing.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
They were booth poof I never, I never boof It
hits your blood streams. I didn't drink until I moved
to New York. Have you boothed? I need to know
right now.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I have put it up there.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Funneled. People have funneled beer, funneled.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
No, no bloat, Oh my god, I live an instant bloat.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Hot pockets, hot topics.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Wait, okay, so that's how we started this bullshit because wait.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Honey, we're getting there. We're getting there fresh. So what
I want to say, you know, the gays and people
in entertainment, especially gays and entertainment, we have a hard
time supporting each other because there's a lot of backstabbing.
There's a lot of jealousy, there's a lot of ewhere.
Both of you ladies are on stage screen, you're doing

(15:00):
the musical parodies, you're doing the cabaret circuits. How did
you make that choice to be like, well, I'm going
to support this person in my life. This person's going
to be my friend. I have friends that I love
and still when they get a gig or something, I'm like,
but you guys support each other in such a way
that's not post you don't have something.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
I'll say this.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
It's not easy with everyone, but I will say like
for me personally, I had to make the decision. Now,
both of us are similar, and like I'm coming up
on twenty four years professionally, I know you're similar.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
On the same time, you have to run your own.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Race, right, Like it's you're only really in competition with yourself.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
That is exactly what I was going to say, my
biggest competition.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
But you also can't tell that to your natural reaction though, Like,
even if I know I'm not appropriate from this, I
think you're just.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Sometimes both two things can be true at the same time.
You can both be in a famine and watch someone
feast and have a difficult time witnessing that, and also
be really excited for someone that you love. Two things
can happen at the same time. It's important to check
yourself and not allow that emotion to over ride and
turn into something envious.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
And that's the difference, right. It's like any time like
we've been in a famine in this business.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
I don't know if you know or not really, But
then like Emma'll be like, oh I have a self
tape this week, will you help me?

Speaker 1 (16:12):
I'm like, oh, I forgot the but like, but that's
not personal. And then like I have my first thought
of being like fuck man, I even know somehe like
two weeks after, but then it's not about me, And
then you just help someone you love because if you
really believe, if you're here for the right reasons, then
there really is room for everybody. There is something for everybody.

(16:32):
It's musical chairs, do you know what I mean? Like
it's just always said. When I was doing Good Trouble,
I had a couple of friends come up to me
and say like, I just don't know if I can
do it in this business anymore. And I said, look,
it took me twenty two years to become a series
regular on a TV show, twenty two And I am
a firm believer that the people in this industry, that
everyone gets their moment. It just is a matter of whether,

(16:53):
like sometimes it hits really early for people, and then
they've got to learn to stick it out till the
next thing comes. And sometimes it takes a long time
for that first to hit. But if you ninety percent
of it, I would say besides outside of luck and
talent and knowing, somebody is just having the balls to
stick it out, because if you can have the balls
to stick it out, that will eventually lead you to
the job where you meet the person that you're lucky

(17:15):
enough that will put you in the room with the
person of the thing. Everything as a stepping stone to something,
and like there is never an opportunity miss, So if
you have the balls to just stick it out, Like,
why wouldn't I support my friend along the way? We're
all building our own sale show. Yeah, I'm just trying
to get as many people in my sailboat as I
can to teach them how to build their sailboat. So

(17:36):
when I spring a leak, I can hop over to
your clone.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Well, and the other thing I wouldn't I root you on?
I think excy.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
The thing do you remember too that I always tell
people is you cannot qualify your existence by what you do.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Like it's such a separate thing. Hollywood is never going
to be your wife. She is a hooker. She's not
going to love you. But that's the thing, Like everybody's like,
oh she loves me, No.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
She does. Today she told you she Lady of the night.
That is her job to make you think you're the
most special, important person in the room.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
And she uses you and she moves on. So if
you're smart, you treat it like a business and you
use her. You understand that she is what she is.
You get out of her.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
What you need and put someone in reserve, by the way,
because corect.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
And save your fucking money and pay your fucking taxes.
But got to stop three times.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Sorry, But it's funny because the media also has a
lot of power too, Like the media told us Jayla
wasn't famous anymore, and all of a sudden she was famous.
Her tour got canceled, so she's what fun But in
terms of the mentality of stardom, we were told she's
not famous, and like, okay, even when Brittany had her meltdown,
Oh we hate Brittany. Then she comes back. We love Brittany.
What do we hate her? Love her?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Joke? And you have to remember that it's not real. Well,
that's when they lose in Hollywood. You have to hold
on to yourself like what they really are. It's not
like losing yourself. It's like you have to hold onto
your book leaves and what you know to be true
and to your point fashion, this is mine holding on
to this is this is my.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
This is literally it. This is it for me, do
you know what I mean? Like, that's my fucking homie
at the end of the day, no matter what.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Oh, that's my anchor. Like I can be spiraling and
I can call her and be like, hey, I just
need to know if I'm crazy or they're like poor Garrett.
Her husband like knows that, Like they're married. But that's
my soulmate.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
I was gonna say, every good spouse knows. There's just
a bump. You could just not step in.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
You just the door and be like when I stay
over at their house, if we're out drinking, like he
brings her and me, he'll be He'll wake me up
on the couch and be like, do you want to
take my spot on the bed? A shot glass of
ibuprofen and a bottle of water, and then he goes
to work because some one of us is gonna make
it and make us breakfast because brothers.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
No, he's not gay. He doesn't have a brother, but
he's not gay. And he's married and he has kids.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
He lives in a while.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Never mind anyway, on that note.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Next hot topic. Yes, I have.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
To know the name of a classic rock cover never
Spicy gives you a heartburn. But the.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Tail your dad?

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Where does his name come from? What does it signify?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Well, it's so Carly and I are. You know, we're
hot and we're youngish, but we're not young some spring chickens.
So we get hit on a lot bye guys by
young ladies and it's like, you're cute, you're a little
too young for me. But tell you to tell your
dadus at high and so classic rock growing up, you know,
to us was so instrumental in our musical development. But

(20:34):
it's now known as dad rock because it's the music
your dad listens to. So when we were thinking about
doing this classic rock cover band with like rock music,
it was like, tell your dad, I said, high, because
that's because he's gonna love this. Because it is your
dad's gonna be He's gonna love every single song that
we're doing. I'm gonna sit on his face and spend
his money yep, and I'm going to become your step mom.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
But that is very funny. So what I wanted to
know is what is your relationship to classic rock? Classic rock?
We expect two stage divas to do like for good
and define gravity every other minute, but you're taking a
total trek from this. We're gonna get into that. What
is your relationship to classic rock? Before starting this band.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
I mean, we bonded over the fact that we both
vocally never really fit the bill for classic musical theater,
and that was one of the things that we bonded
over immediately.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
We were the risk traditional musical I can see them
so has changed, But like Kim, I didn't see it.
Is that I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I didn't see opinion.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
And Stu one of the one of the prayer musicals
that I would say wasn't a rock squirret all really truly.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Okay pattern Carly Gibson and Carousel not.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
It's not working. It's not working, and so I think
it's it's something when you're raised on that kind of music,
that's what brings that extra spice and that extra flavor.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
It's also just an iconic genre of music that just
holds its weight in any time era.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Right.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
My mom raised me on The Who, and I got
to bring her for her fiftieth birthday to go see
The Who the Staples Center, which a like how yes,
but how often crypto bit before it was crypto bit going?
That was that's I'm doing myself. It was that long
ago she was alive. But remember when our moms were

(22:28):
relying on all right, that's I went out for my homie.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
That's on the list too, Just so I was.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Going to, oh, dead moms is on the list? That
did you know? Because you're we're gonna okay, I got it.
We're jumping the gun the gun.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
But I do have to say classic rock, all generations
and all different gay, straight, old, young, rich poor everybody
can kind.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Of and you can expect like Tom Petty and Patti
Smith and Zeppelin and Jane Jet And.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
I know, I was like Hope, like, oh my god, No,
you want me to keep going? Yeah, yeah, I'll jump
in too.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
No.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Uh, I'm holding to all the people that.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
I have to take about my Courtney love story. Okay,
I have such a Courty love story. You won't even
believe it, and it's one hundred thousand percent.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
I bet I will. I believe that I already believe. Honestly,
I don't think I've ever heard a story come out
of your mouth that I've been like, I don't believe
that we have a song called she Loves My Cock.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yes, that we sing by a band called jack No
one knows, but it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
But they recently played in Los Angeles. They played last night,
but they yet, No, you're not, They're playing tomorrow night.
They're playing tomorrow night. If you're if you're a Fani,
not us doing jackal the Whiskey. They're playing at the Whiskey.
We're not going to go because we have a band
rehearsal babies.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
But all these musicians you're talking about, these are voices
that you can wrap yourself around. That they that they're
storytellers as much as there musicians. And we know that
both of you are supreme storytellers. So this is perfect
material for you.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, it really is. I mean going over we went
over our setlists together the other day and just divvying
up sort of who sings what and who comes in
on what harmony and like going over, like going over
Stevie Nicks music, like never in a world, like we
went and saw Stevie Nicks a couple of years ago.
Tell the story. Do you want me to remember when
I okay, so sad.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
For the people sitting next to you, because there's no
way that you guys show I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
So remember how I told you The first time that
she met me, I had my tongue down a girl's
throw And like I came from as an elder millennial,
I came from an era where like we weren't super
into labels.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
I'm fine that people are. We just weren't right. So
I wasn't like I'm bisexual, I'm this that the other
I met Garrett, I fell in love, I got married.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Poor whatever reason. So she took me for my birthday
to go see Stevie.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Stevie.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
We were at the Hollywood Bowl. We great fucking seeds,
and I was a little overserved. I overserved her was
slightly overserved. It was her birthday. Nixon, no one would
even got this.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I'm not a crick.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Anyways, halfway through it, I turn around, I have this
like epiphany. She's got the biggest grin and there's also tears.
I'm please do it. I go like this, I turn
around and I go, I'm gay. And I just looked
at her and I went her and Chad go, I know,
and I have this like epiphany rose like, but you guys,

(25:28):
I'm gay as fuck. And they were like are you
are you new I met you? You were making out
with a woman and I was.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Like, oh yes, and Stevie's like keep it.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
And then the best the best part is that her
husband picks us up and she's like, Garrett, I have
something very serious to tell you. He's like, what's like thinking.
He's thinking, like I've lost the credit card, and she's like,
I am gay and he was like duh, he was
I know who I married and that who I married. Anyway,
I'm already dropping. I'm going over for a last drink.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
But I love that. And that's why labels, yeah right,
labels weird question.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I don't care, just maybe, you know, like they say,
everybody's a little by gay, everybody has lips anyway.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
On that note, so being friends and being cast in
the same show is a little different than putting a
show together. Ye are and I've lost certain friendships and
putting a show together because you have creative differences. Even
though you're best of friends, there has to be some
sort of egos like you know what, I really that's
my solo, that's my harmony, whatever, How how did you
put the show together? Because it does shift the friendship
a bit because it's a business as well. It's not

(26:27):
just let's put on the show. You know.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
It's funny.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
We almost did it in reverse in the way where
instead of being like, I want this to feature me,
we both came in being like, I think I think
you should do this one.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I think you should do this song. You should be
because we are just part at the end of the day,
we are such genuine fans of e We are each
other's If you go on either of our YouTube searches,
if you go on mine, it will be I saw
the search as Carly Gibson.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
On so weird because I did notes, I'm like, wait,
who was I looking up? Am I having? Like what?

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Truly, it's like we are each other's biggest fan like
and I know it sounds crazy because I just think
we do live in a world where particularly women are
pitted against each other and we are made to think
that we are supposed to be each other's or that
there can only be one, two, there can be five,
there could be yes exactly, the Spice Girls, Yes, But

(27:19):
the thing is two of them can fuck and ruin
the band and ruin the band and break them up forever.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
But the saying is, if you want to be my love,
you gotta get with my friends.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
If you want to be my lover, you got to
be my friend. If you want to be.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Stuff with my friends, Yes, and that's.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
What they should have. Just spoke from that stuff.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
But creatively put in a show, how did you know
what music you had to incorporate? Or actually, here's a
better question. What do you want the audience to get
from the show? What is what is the message of
the music that you have put together? What story are
you telling?

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Just have a good fucking time. Life is really hard
right now, living in the apocalypse is nearly fucking impossible.
Every day.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Just come spend twenty dollars, have a beautiful cocktail and
rock your cock out.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
That Just have a good time because it's too hard.
I think it's also like that. On that note, this
is music we grew up to as children that was
already established music that our parents grew up to, and
we have great memories associated with them when we hear them.
How can like everybody does, Like there's there's a memory
of cooking in the kitchen or cleaning the house, or
like being outside of the park for your friend's birthday.

(28:25):
When you're here, being out in a club in New
York and all of a sudden, Patti Smith, because the
night comes on right like I regar doing that's another
one are doing that song. It's a great song.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
And with everything going crazy, So this is such a juxtaposition.
We just had Stephen Sondheim's old friends here in Los Angeles. Yes,
and going back to classic Sonheim. You saw so many
different people in the audience, but everybody came together because
it's that safe space. It's like coming home. Like you said,
we don't have to be political, we don't have to
do anything. We can just relax and listen to music

(28:54):
that sounds good. It makes us feel comfortable, and especially
when you've lost a parent, every meaning of every song,
don't care if it's like a sex song.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Well, theater also has a has a wonderfully, beautifully horrific
way of breaking down your walls and bringing people together
in a way that you sometimes don't want to right,
Like you see people's side and opinions and perspective. It's
the thing I love the most about theater and the
thing I hate the most about right because it really

(29:24):
just makes you the most vulnerable, your most vulnerable state.
And then you're walking out of that theater and like,
because you've had such a visceral response, there is no
hide it. Like everyone's just like you got your guy.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
And then you think about it that night you can't sleep,
and then you wake.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Up with your coffee the next day. Yeah, like I
have take with you. I have tickets to see Parade
in June, and I'm already like, I've never gotten to
see that show live. I fell in love with that
show when I was nine years old. Wow, like based
off of the six weeks of the recording, right, my
botox is nailing it. But I I've wanted to go

(30:00):
see that. So when I saw that they were coming
out here. My friend Talia is playing Lucille in it,
my friend Charlie is the music director, Max is playing
like Leo Frank. It's going to be such a beautiful production.
I bought tickets as soon as they were like that
is my super Bowl, Like the way that straight men
prepare to go see the Rams play. I was like,
I'm going to go see Max. I'm so proud of

(30:22):
you for naming a sports team. Just now, thank you.
You pull your pussy. I didn't, but you make me.
I'm a lion now. I love football. That's it. I don't.
But to your point about like when with the dead
mom Chip or just any grieving, like music does take
on those nostalgic, cathartic moments that.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Unifies everybody grief. Yeah, generation, wealth, classic af religion.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
And in a way that pop music doesn't. Like pop
and rock music can bring people together and evokes the
same sort of memories. But there's something about the way
theater songs tell a story that is and sitting down
and and like watching this sort of like watching horror
emotional horror show with a group of strangers that like
yond zoo, there's like, yeah, I love the I love theater.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Was fresh. Two months after my mom died, I had
to go review into the woods.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Oh oh no, and my one is alone.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Right right right? My mom used to play the first
three years I did cabaret, my mom played all my
gigs and the only song we did over and over
and over was no One Is Alone. And the last
time I did cabaret was about two years ago, and
she played it for me because it's like, oh my mom,
come back on stage because we always did that song
sitting through that. The guy I sat next to didn't
even know him. During intermission, he said, if I get

(31:44):
a little emotional during up two, just know I just
lost my mom. So we held each other's hands and
then he's like, you know, I just wrote a children's
book about grief and it was published. It's out there,
and so we've been friends ever since.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
But it's it's not crazy, because that is the kismet
shit that starts to happen to you when you go
through that.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
I mean, that is that is it just sets you
on a forked path in a different way where you
start to find people that that feel that narrative in
your life in a different way. And it is and
that see you, that makes you feel seen, and then
that's you see life.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
In a different way, do you know what I mean?
Like you don't feel everything a new color.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
It's a new color and it's not necessarily good or bad.
It's just like, oh, now I have to live with
this thing that I never knew I thought about this.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
I'm coming up on this year will be twelve years,
and I'm like, God, I'm I'm coming to a place
where I'm like, I'm it's just learning to live with
the sadness, because the sadness doesn't leave it, so you
just learn to live with it and you still have
moments of joy and it's still fun and it's still
worth it, and it's and it's still joyful in parts.

(32:52):
But there's just this thing all the time that's always just.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
All right, Well, let's talk about this on the list,
let's talk about it.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Last time on the show, we talked about your mom
and working through that. I had no idea I was
going to be in the Lost Mom's Club the next
time that you were.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
In there and I met your mom and a Carly's
in the guest.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Book and I'm watching every episode, I'm like, yes, we
know mom, you're a big and you know me too.
You're lost, Like how insane is that We're so young?
This is not supposed to happen. So sorry, well and
I'm sorry too. Yeah, I want to know we as artists.
How did you move past that? And to what you

(33:32):
were saying? That grief does not go away. So when
I tell people I cried, you know, almost every day,
and then then I feel good. But people around us
don't understand that grief. And even though it's the thing
that unifies us, it's the thing that people are the
scaredest to talk about.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
It's true, someone handles grief like Americans do in the
wrong way one hundred percent, like we really do. I mean,
when when I found out my mom was diagnosed, we
talked about I reached out to Carly and when my
mom was passing, I was on set for Good Trouble
and I was filming and I got the text from
hospice and they were like, hey, it's looking like it's

(34:08):
going to be within the next twenty four hours. And
I just was like, I have to go. I have
to I have to go right now. And I was
really lucky to be on a set like Good Trouble
where they they just got it and I'm not gonna
let My first response was not I have to go.
My first response was I have to finish my job.
And God blessed Josh Pence, who played Dennis on that show.

(34:29):
He was like, if you don't leave right now, I'm
going to go up them and tell them that you're done.
And then and he did, God bless him. And he
drove me to the hospice center to say goodbye to
my mom and like, and it was a it was
a weird thing of like do I go back to work?
And they were like, take as much time as you want,
and I said no, no, no, and that she had
passed on like a Friday, and I said, I want

(34:50):
to be back at work on Monday. You need that
kind I said, I needed that. I needed to work
through it. And we and everyone was like kind of
walking on eggshells. And as you know people, it's like
and you know that the thing that comes with your
parent passing is that the dark humor then replaces or
that parent, and then you are making jokes that sometimes
people are uncomfortable with. But you're like, my mom died,

(35:10):
not yours, right, That's how I cope with it. And
I always and and really when people when people don't
accept humor as a response, I always say, it is
the natural way of life for a child to bury
their parent. If it had been the other way around,
my mother would have never survived. Did she leave too soon? Yes?
Was it way too painful and aggressive? Absolutely? Did I

(35:33):
hate seeing her that way? And would I take it
back if I could at one percent. But if it
had been the other way around, my mother never would
have survived that.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
And it's a powerful comment because I understand that statement.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
And it doesn't make it fair it but it is
the natural way. It is the circle of life. And
I would have loved to have had twenty thirty forty
more years with her. I would have it changed my
whole perspective. I went from being married to wanting to
have children to now I'm like, I don't think I
want to have kids, Like I don't think I can
do that without her. So it's and I'm okay with that,

(36:06):
but like it. It has changed my life in such
a profound way and has somehow made me the person
that I was always supposed to be. So how can
I get mad, as as unfair and as angry as
I am? How can I get mad at the way
it's affected me?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
At least I love everything you just said. And us
as performers, we also think of the times that our
moms drove us to our voice lessons and our dance lesson.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Adition, she gave up everything for me to do this.
So that's what that's why I fight to make this
like there is no one career option. She she gave
up a six figure career working as a toy developer
for Disney to become a waitress so that she would
have flexible hours to take me on auditions when I
was eight, like Erica, Erica, rip for Erica Erica, and

(36:55):
Renee Erica and Renee and for and how we're doing
We're doing it, We're doing it. I'll do it. I'm
not a pussy spilled nervous that we all as a virgo.
I'm screaming, I'm virgo too. I'm the worst lot.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
I'm with two virgos. Now, I wouldn't have fucking agreed
to theirs.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I'm the worst for goal. But you know what I
found out was I found out that I could do
things that I never thought I could. My mom my,
Mom and I were so close and I was a
mama's boy. Yeah, I mean even at the point if
I got a flat tire, she would call triple right right, Yeah,
does mom or you know I'm moving in a new place.
Can you arrange the camera? When are they going to be?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
My mom made the dentist appointments and I was like
twenty five.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
I always say that my mom's death was the best
and worst thing that ever happened to me. Obviously the
worst for obvious reasons, but the best was I was
forced to become the strongest version of myself as a
result of it. And what makes me the most sad,
The part of it is the unfairness, right, It's the
injustice of it all that because she was fifty seven
when she died, and she gave up her whole life

(37:57):
so that I could have mine.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
She didn't at her time in the sun. That's the
part I.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Cannot make peace with. That's the hardest part of it all.
And the other part I talked about it in therapy
today about she's all of her hard work. Like now
I'm like, oh, you were right, and I wish I
listen now twelve years later, I'm the best version of myself.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
I'm not the shitty braddy fighting you, like a grateful
version of myself, Like I'm the best version of myself
and it's because of you. But that was when I
decided that, like when the anxiety came, when the frustration came,
when the this isn't right, what do I do part
I just think like it can't be for nothing, and
her life then becomes in vain if I don't take

(38:40):
all of this and do something right with it.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
And I don't just mean succeed. It isn't about success.
It's about becoming the girl. The girl from Michigan the
trailer park came from nothing. Mom worked three jobs, picked
blueberries one summer so I could go to theater camp.
It's be a good person in the world, give back,
don't walk by homeless people, ask questions like just being

(39:02):
the best version of myself and not taking any of
this for granted.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
I said to Garrett yesterday. I was like, maybe we
are doing it like we're healthy, we're here, we're in love,
we're not struggling months to month, like we're not rich,
but like we're doing it. I never want to take
that for granted.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Like my mom always used to say about my dad
prior to them getting divorceds like she's like, baby, we
had life by the balls and he couldn't see it
and he ruined it with his choices, and it was
like I think about that all the time.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
I say that, I'm like, we got fucking life by
the balls, but you're not. That's what That's what keeps
me in the like this kind of shit like not
and then this isn't a weird way. We'd be like
boog to the show, but like in this.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Kind of stuff, I'm like, this is the stuff where
I'm like, this is it? Like we got life by
the balls right now?

Speaker 1 (39:46):
There have been so many times where we've been like
it feels like a little bit like girls in a sleepover,
but we're like, well, like look at each other and
be like we're in a band. We're doing we're doing
like we've talked about this for ten. Started off as
a joke. It was of saying to do a cover
band of Heart called heart On, and it was just
really started. It was just a really good punchline at
a bar. It was like Karl and I are starting

(40:07):
a Heart cover band called ha Ha. Would be like
and then we'd be like we should actually do it,
and like we shouldn't like charge, we could let's do
it rock. So she would film a movie and I
would be the thing and then she would be.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
We just never never happened together at the time, and
now here we are because the industry is trash and we.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Finally get to do this. It's like it's it's the best.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
It's always have the world saying, hey, pay attention to
your guys and tell your story.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yes, and you know what, since the second we've decided
to do it, it has been the easiest thing we
have ever, Like everything has just fallen into place. The
venue is like, whatever date you want. We're being sponsored
by Neft Vodka, which is super fucking cool.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Used to sponsor the show for a year.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
I love love Love now.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
In fact, I think we have shot classes still hear
from him. They love supporting and they support Gay Nightclub
in Orange County by the way.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Oh see we love see not come back as a
sponsor since I'm going to tell your dad tell yours
ha the what do you keep saying that accent is
a paid It's like if we needed on recording so
that if we ever developed anything, that's like, it's just
going to be I'm gonna be like, I need you
to do it into your phone so that I can't

(41:19):
there's an HBO Max about you guys taking kind of that.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
It's a surreal real but it's not you know, one
of those kinds of show where you guys are traveling around.
We're in the US and all these different cities and
you're just like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Well we might we might not not not not be
doing that.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
So trademark trademark, My god, you don't say that on
an entertainment podcast.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Trademark topics. Wait this, no finish the sentence. I just
I'm just laughing that. We were just like, let's talk
about dead moms, and everyone's like, we have a lot.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Of entertainment people that listen to the show. And I
love when people and you, you ladies, are so real.
You're so intimate and you're sharing everything. We know. A
lot of this is smoking mirrors. It's like best and
I've had guests on the show and we're just like,
oh god, it's like, oh, life is wonderful. Baa bah.
I want to know we as actors, no matter if
it's a community theater show we've done at the end

(42:29):
of a major project, there's always.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
That cast party.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Where's that It's like Plan B sponsored by Plan B.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
I never been to a theater party where I've been required.
I wouldn't be mad though, if we got sponsored by
Plan B. I love they're fifty dollars a pop and
they're like and with healthcare being what it is up
in the air, I know people who are like most
motions not being legal and poppers. Oh, I love we
love her. I met her in Fire Island. I have

(43:02):
a really funny story about that, probably and it was
an accident. I almost say, why does a girl do Popperson?
I had a government name, I had someone I was
This was like fifteen twenty years ago, the same person.
By the way, we talked about this, ohs initials ns, no, no,

(43:23):
I know who you're talking about, but no, that was mine.
She was like, smell this and I was like, not
not in the industry and like a lawyer, so believe
I think you try to know. I'm not think you promise.
I know this person is not an actor. But I
was sitting not a famous person, not a famous person, truly.

(43:45):
I was sitting in a pool and of your own
of water. And this is actually a really funny story
water house. The way this house is set up, so
like if this was the pool, right, this was the chicken.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Everyone see what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
I don't know. You guys can bring it back back, okay.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Kevin Keller's like, no, I can't see what's happening.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
He Here's just the pool, okay, okay, the upright pool.
This is the jacuzzie. Oh, same guys, And well it's
just a little bit further ahead of it. But there's uh,
there's a fence that's right here, but the fence stops.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
I love this story. So this friend of mine comes
out to me in the pool and goes, what does
this smell like? And I say lemons? And then I
go wait, no, give it back, and I go hand
sanitizer and he goes, you fucking idiot, those are poppers.
I was like, what are poppers? So he's like, are
you joking? And I was like no, I don't know

(44:42):
what poppers are. And he's like, I'm so sorry you're
about to have the because it's coming, because you're about
to have the crazy one of your life. Just hold on.
And I was like okay. So he's like, you might
want to get out of the water though, because he
didn't know I'd never done it. He didn't know if
I was just going to like fall in or what.
So he's like, just get out of the water. I
was like, all right, so I walk.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
I love the sound effects.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
I'm going to get into the kuzzie right because I'm like, Okay,
if I'm gonna have a crazy experience, let me like
sit in a nice warm jacuzzie right with the jets.
The fence doesn't stop. The fence stops, right, so I
think that the floor doesn't stop because the fence has stopped.
I fall into an eight foot deep marsh as I'm falling.

(45:30):
Realize as I'm falling that I'm falling, and I'm like,
and now it's been forty five seconds. So I'm sobering
up from this thing that I just smelled. And I
turn around and I land on my back on what
was the rest of the fencing, right, So someone's clearly
already done this before. So they pulled me and I
looked to my left. There is a deer munching on weeds.
I could not I could not make this up if

(45:51):
I tried. So this person now pulls me out of
this marsh. Not a famous wier, not a famous deer.
Why don't you sit in the hot ub and relax
your back?

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Right?

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Because there's now a bluies forming like a lightning bolt
from my right shoulder to my left hip, like just
go and like I think I didn't break. This is
an HBO series truly, So I'm in the second time
was my fault. So I'm getting hot in the hot
tub and I'm like, let me sit on the edge
of the hot tub, starting to sweat, and I leaned
back and I fall into the same.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
At the bottom, like get out.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
All I hear are like eight gay men going Jesus Christ.
I think she did it again.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I mean they didn't go oop, she did it again.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
They were They're not musical. They're not musical. Even the
non music these were Britney music. This was the craziest
party that I've ever gone to at Fire Island because
none of them were theater performers. One was a lawyer,
one was a rocket scientist. I was like, never hung
out with, never hung out with smart people in my
life until this, never again, Never never go that. We'll

(46:56):
do your dad when falls twice. That's my story. That's
that's my popper story. Wow, she can't never tell anyone
that story outside of like I can't wait for us
to leave here and she's gonna be like, did I
did I tell this story? Popper story?

Speaker 2 (47:15):
There might be an any nomination in this podcast?

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Are you just raw dogging it with a spedba.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
It's not nft nat, Where did you go?

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Pinaf snafftka penaf Tina? This is okay fresh?

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Back to our points?

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Oh right back to Popper which one though.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
There's always that moment like after a show and you know,
you did Hairspray and there was all this hoopla you
did it with Michael McKean and and then Good Trouble.
You were like the fan favorite and this was like
the hot show and free for him, but also even
smaller shows that we do. We take our final bow
and then there's the cast party. We're like, oh, that
was so fun, And the next dater's like, there's that depression,
there's that there's that up.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah, the blues Sunday Scaries.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
And we know that every actor has their ups, ups
and down't.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
No, that's the same thing. She's dry laugh like that
this whole time, same thing. Are you going to do
this all during Sunday Scary? It's funny, that's my Sunday scary.
I have I have a flung condition. I think smoking
full cigarettes. I have.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Well, you were double and you were double fifteen while
you were making out with a leftbandner. You're like, I
love it.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
She was a lesbian. She should do.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
I think I died, You idiot, I think I died.
I think I did.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Who did exercist? The musical? Let's talk about that. It's
really good.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
She's so good.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Oh my god, she's so good in it. She's insane.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
But for the actors that have that slump, right.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
I don't know. Take lexapro life is hard. Poppers no.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Poppers trademark trademark.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Ow, No, that's right, that one's my fuck you, that
one's my tailor, that one's yours. Poppers know is my poppers?

Speaker 2 (49:24):
No, somebody better make that T shirt right now?

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Poppers know, Poppers commons.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
RFK Junior going dead dead hashtag dead, hashtag dead mom, poppers.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
No hashtag dead hashtag not a famous, dead mom.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Not a famous All the cannabies are dead.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Is anyone still with us?

Speaker 2 (49:46):
This is so great and we lost everyone, but just
a moment of clary. How do you get through those
periods of time?

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Bottom of this mine?

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Sturdy Mine's sturdy. Okay, I'll just do this and they
see me poor. This is that all booth what I
just did. But there's that's why I feel the way
I feel.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Oh, but how do you get through it through those
moments where you're just like, oh, I was on Broadway
cry and now I'm.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Cry a lot. There is I'm not gonna lie. I
mean there's moments where you're like, is this it? Did
I peek it's the last of but then but did
I peek every Wednesday? But no, no, you cry? You
cry fucking cry. It's like you call a friend, you

(50:30):
move on. It's like a It's like a game. I
will say. I think my goal with every contract personally
is to do everything I possibly can with it so
that by the time I'm done, I'm done, You're done.
I'm like, like and there it's rare that I feel
that way, because as as.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
They put you on that media, I mean, yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
I could have done so much longer. Good Trouble was
so sad because well, that film was hard. We filmed
an alternate ending that because we were supposed to come
back for a six season and then there strike happened,
and I mean, I don't even know if I'm allowed
to say this, but like my character.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Found I've had Bradley and Peter on.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yeah, my character found out that she was pregnant at
the end of the fifth season, and like that would
have been really exciting for those if it's not a spoiler,
if it never happened, it never happened. Yeah, But but
it's you know, it's bittersweet, and it's there were things
that you know that they were talking about plan I
think it's also an important topic of conversation to open up,
you know, if that baby were we're not to survive,

(51:26):
how Davia and Dennis went about making that decision. There's
a lot of important hot topics, yeah, which.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Important for so many different reasons, for.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Many different especially because of the you know, unfortunate administration
that we've entered into. Again, people forget that that show
entered the last time he was in office, and there
was a reason why it felt so important and it
felt so pertinent, and that we were saying things that
needed to be said, and that I think was the
biggest My sadness was less for me losing a job

(51:56):
and more for like, but who were.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
People the younger generation was attached to that show and
our young generation.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
It really is. And we had a lot of them
and they are already hopeless, so like cutting them off
at the knees is not Yeah, yeah, And I think
you know, it's not like we were planning on being
there for like twenty seasons. You know, we we knew
that we would have been it would mean.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Momentum was there, but we definitely had one or two
left in us to tell some important things.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
And I think, you know, given the current administration, who
knows what would have happened to the show if we
hadn't gone into a strike that we just got slammed by.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
The way the business works, Like that's what there is.
Similar with the Guest Book, Like the only reason we
didn't get a season the best is because BBS sold well,
they got sold out to what became Max HBO Max right,
Like they got bought into a conglomerate and they were
like we're done.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
And executives don't know what decisions to make.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
They just don't, right, But so it's like it's it's
not about like that's the thing too, Like you get
so excited, you're like, oh my god, like series regular,
like this is it Like it was crazy, like I
had one Mississippi and the guests, but come out two
weeks trying.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
To get you show. Then you were like I never
bet you that it was you were so busy and
I was like.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
I was booked and blast. But like then you think,
but then it was like, well Luis c.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
K was an executive producer and that didn't age well
and so the show kind of like took its last time.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
That that's when an artist work has to suffer because
of one person.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
But this is the thing, like you're talking about like
being sad post certain things, but this is what I
mean about coming back to a business and remembering and
understanding that there are larger part decisions that are taking
place all the.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Time that have nothing to do with your talent, your drive,
You're nothing at all. It has nothing to do with
any of that. It is a business.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
And when that happens, you can feel your feelings, but
you fucking pack up and move on. Like I look
at the greats, look at all the grades that we
all admire, right that we talk about all the time,
the Parker Post, these, the Meryl Streeps, the all of them, right,
Like you can't be defined by your last thing, you
move on and you pivot like this last year two
years has been big for me. I got big in

(54:11):
the writing world, started writing scripts, sold scripts.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
I moved into directing.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
I've been direct I'm directing a film this weekend. I'm
directing a fringe show that Emma is actually starring in
for the Fringe show this year that I'm directing.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
What's the show?

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Like, this is what's the show? Okay, so let's tell
them about the show.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
It's called Starlight Stage and it's not you wish it.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
If it were, I wouldn't be a beautiful story. No,
you're not ready. You're not fucking ready.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
It's a beautiful story about a mom who's in palliate
of care, who is passing and is visiting.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Her daughter through dreams to say goodbye. And it all
takes place in a dreamscape as they make their way
through difficult conversations and say goodbye. And it's really beautiful
and really Sean. We're doing it at the Celebration Theater
the LGBT.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
They're born.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
I'm going to be having a mental So she's playing
my lead and I'm making my directing debut.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yes, oh my god, I want to we'll do so.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Yes, yes we will tell to Tat about it.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
But but I had to start pivoting in other ways
and like and figuring other things out just to like
build this umpire.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
That's how talented people who have passion do. You have
to pivot. Sometimes you're not going to be the star
on stage and you have to be okay with that.
Right now, how are you going to be able to
work on this piece? How are you going to be
able to do this piece night after night?

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Sometimes you go through ship to use it. But I
trust her and she trusts me. That's why she signed
up microphone. Just try to make out with a microphone.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
But when we first talked about this, I asked her,
I said her down, I go, are you ready?

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Are you okay? And yeah, it's eating it. Then I'll
do it.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
And I was like, okay, and I'll be really gentle
and careful with you.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
But you guys trust each other.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
That's the thing is we try and we trust that
she knows that if I have an emotional response to something,
it's not coming from a place of being difficult. It's
coming from a place of like, oh I need five minutes,
and I think that's what makes something like that better
when you have such a well of things to pull
from to be like this is actually a really painful

(56:14):
thing for me to share because it's going to be effective, right,
and that's why it's going to be hard.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
But we got to do it.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Beautiful. You're going to be beautiful. You're going to be a
great director. It's gonna be good. I'm really excited and
I'm getting just.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Like your wedding pictures, your best friends and famous.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Her husband already knows.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
My best friend has to cover his shift at armies.
If we want to hang out, okay.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
I I want to beef with some horses sauce and
some curly size with halpeno Papa.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Fish.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I don't funk with fish anywhere, Like, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
To your armies.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Yes, I am. I love me some liquid meat. Wow,
they really it's powder meat.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
It's I did it.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I went there said, oh my god, we have four minutes.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Was that okay?

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Oh that was precious. That was really nice. You genuinely
meant that. I could tell you. He was like her,
Oh my god, literally nothing genuine no, nothing would offend me.
I knew what he meant it, so hard to offend me.
It is so hard to offend in the moment, like
one of the cool girls are and then and then

(57:30):
we shut up, Heather, do you? We were like shut up,
Heather really did, and you're like really, okay, oh my god, baby,
you are perfect, so perfect?

Speaker 2 (57:38):
All right, So let's go to mother. So I am
a We know you made history as the youngest alphabet
in the US on national tour, but I want to
know and we know Wicked is like the hottest thing.
Number one.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
That was my foot.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
She's got a club foot, y'all.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Do you really have a club sto?

Speaker 1 (57:59):
No, we know someone who I don't.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
I don't. You'll see that the Fringe Festival on stage
Nightly won that bad tap twice club foot twap twice.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
For dry fucking laughing. When you do it too this
extra strong.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
It's not it's not naf vodka. It's I should be
remember it's like tap twice. If you need more morphine,
it's gonna be with the club foot anyway. That's such
a portste No, that's this is a serious question.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
But I know I was doing it for real serious okay, but.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
It is funny. The last time I talked to you ladies.
So much has happened with everything, and now all this
emphasis on Wicked in the movie, and was it great?
Like do you guys, I was what great?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Wicked?

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Wicked?

Speaker 1 (58:51):
I'm obsessed with it. I thought Ariana killed it. I
thought Cynthia killed it. I have been screaming from the
rooftops for the last like ten years since I did
Wicked that like, we need more black alpha buzz because
it is the story of a woman feeling ostracized for
the color of her skin. The fact that we only
hire white women make it makes sense. It make it
make sense, and I love that there is now it

(59:14):
seems to be a trend now that we are hiring
black alpha buzz now because I think because of the movie,
and that could not make me happier. I'm happy. I'm
happy to be part of the cannon. I mean, anyone
who knows, like anyone in that show is part of
a sorority. Because it is a nightmare to get through.
It is there's no beating around the book. You're in

(59:35):
the club had shows. It is hard to sing, it's
hard to do physically, it is hard to mentally. It
is I'm glad that you got a good movie. I
gotta I loved my audience didn't sing. I I got
to see it privately a couple of times, which was great.
And then I personally thought Ariana was like the best,

(59:57):
but who woul so good? I knew even some of
the I knew that I never doubted it, gravitas and
she respects.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
She's from a musical theater, wanted to get it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
And look she was not not to sound biased, but
like I've known her and her family for a long time,
and like she is not joking when she said she
has always wanted to play this role that girl has.
She did right, and she and like she cares so
much like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Her persona out and she's like, let me approach this
as an actor.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
It also was not to say Cynthia hasn't. It's just
the the dichotomy between Arianna's professional expected it from Cynthia
by it and I wasn't. I was just so happy
that like people saw it. I love the new like
the little nuances where I could tell that she was
giving nods to Kristen but still making her own. That

(01:00:50):
was funny. I thought the choices were good. It was smart,
so smart.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
So we love the movie, but the questions about you,
Oh god, you did it so young? Now we know
we through so much, so good, she was so good.
The Phantom is still.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
She started riffing before Jessica of asking me it famous.
I mean, I'm not shitting on Jessica, boss. She's amazing,
but I must, Oh my god, you're amazing and she
is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
But like long before, which both of you done, because
both of you have played roles that have been done before,
and you may get your own, but I want to know,
doing it so young now, going through so many life experiences,
what element would you bring back to performing Alphabet again
that you think that you maybe didn't understand the first
time around.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Here's what I will say. I think I think I
always had a good grasp on Alphaba because I was
young when I did it. And that's what Alphaba is.
She's just she wants so badly to be understood and
for everyone to understand that she's coming from a place
of passion. It's not anger, it's excitement, it's passion. The
one thing I would do differently is I would have

(01:01:59):
stood up for myself a lot more on that tour.
I was bullied a lot by to be quite frank
by some of the management team, not the producers. The
producers Joe Mantello was wonderful, David Stone was wonderful. It
was strictly the company that I was with on tour
every day for thirteen months, and I was told to

(01:02:22):
lose weight several times, and then because I was twenty two,
I did, and instead of them taking in my costume,
they let me run around for three months with eighteen
extra inches of costume on me. I was berated and
made like reduced to tears in a dress rehearsal after
being told that I was one of their favorite alpha us.

(01:02:44):
Then they made me do the run in at the
top of the show for an hour and a half
before our dance captain finally stood up and said, why
are you making our lead cry in front of us?
And instead of the response being hey, you're right, this
is like I'm sorry, this is too harsh, it was, well,
I guess I can't handle it. IM should go home
because Emma can't stop crying. This was a year into
my run. So I would have gone back and I

(01:03:08):
would have advocated for myself a lot more. I would
have said you hired me at this weight, You're stuck
with me at this weight. And if I happened to lose, congrats.
I think I would have been a lot more vocal
about when I needed to call out for self preservation.
After a nine show week, when they asked me, can
you just get pregnazone, my answer should have been no,

(01:03:30):
A steroid that makes you gay that fixes me today? Yeah,
But like, but aren't I here for the rest of
the week. When I called in sick and they said,
too bad, you have to do the show because your
standby doesn't want to come in, I would have said,
too bad, she's my standby. There's a lot of stuff
that I took for Like I took myself for granted

(01:03:52):
on that tour, and I thought that I could just
make everybody happy and I would not change anything about
my performance. I would have just told them to deal
with the way that I was doing it, and if
they didn't want me, they could hire someone else, Because
there's another I wasn't just the youngest. I was the
longest contracted. No one else does a thirteen month contract anymore.
Because they they tell everybody that they pushed me too hard.

(01:04:14):
They've never told me that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
They knew the talent they had, They're like, we need
this right, you would have gone off of it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
And because I was twenty one and twenty two, they
knew they could like and this is again not to
do anything with the production the production team. We were
twelve years into wicket at that point. They were like
you happy, you good, great, here's a check. I'm talking
specifically about the company management team that traveled with me
city to city every day. And I know it was
a personal issue because it was the same company management

(01:04:42):
that I had when I was ten years old on
tour with Li Miz. So it was a personal vendetta
made to make my life. And they put me in
the basement of every city because I was on stage
the whole time and I didn't have to deal with
the drums, so I had to then walk up after
intermission in a nineteen pound tree that was three inches
too big to go upstairs to start act too. So

(01:05:05):
that's what I would like. This is Tea, this is
this is what I and I'm actually really proud of
you for, I mean just knowing you and loving you
and loving any way that I do like it's I
know what it means for you to just say this
out loud. It's it's hard. I mean, it's a hard
pill to swallow. And a lot of people all the
time ask me, come back, come back to Wicked. Why

(01:05:25):
I would love to see you do Wicked again, and
a lot of things would have to be different from
because I would probably do the same show because my
show was great.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
I love this on so many levels. You're telling the
reality of what happens, and you're telling other people to
stick up for themselves because actors, we're tired of being
taking advantage of.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Yeah, sadly, I felt like, sadly, your story is not singular.
It's not it's not new. One of the reasons we
bonded it's because we have similar stories. I'm nowhere near
ready to tell mine, but I have a.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Very similar story, and it's so funny that, dare.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
You I'm not. Actually, I'd had a conversation with my
therapist today where like I it's not even that like
I'm sitting on something crazy. I just I'm not at
a point where I'm ready to do it. But like
you know, someday I will.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Someday I will tell all the things about what it's
like to be nineteen years old, to be thrust in
having an eleven million dollar show on your shoulders, to
be told by a bunch of people that you're family,
and to be exposed to all of what the industry
is and it's darkest and most heightened of moments, and
then to be promised all of the things, only to

(01:06:46):
have it completely be ripped away from you and then
be fucking tossed aside, like you're nothing. Like it's a dark,
dark place and I'm not ready fully yet to like
go there and name names because I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
It's me at this point to do it. And that's
not that's no t to you, like tell your fucking
true I'm not naming names. Emily also knows that because
I threatened to sue it if he kept talking. Mine
mine is just mine, is just that, like I I'm
I worked so hard to get out of that, to
come to this where I can be and stand in
my power that I don't know that I need.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
To go back yet. Maybe when they die. Maybe when
they die, I'll tell their story.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Everybody has has their time and it's so intimate. Emma,
I can't even thank you for sharing that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
No, it's I mean, it's just the truth. That's I
have nothing to hide about it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
It's like a stand up for yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Yeah, please do. And it's a great show. It's a
great show that's changed a lot of people's lives. But
it doesn't, you know, any opportunity that comes along, you
don't have to sacrifice your self worth or going home
and crying every night that you're not thin enough at
a size six.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
But it's so weird that that we needed a blockbuster
film and everybody waited to see if the film was
going to be a success. I always and it's going
to be.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
You know my personal theory. Do you know my personal theory.
I think if Kamala would have won, we would have
critiqued it so much harder. I think we needed a
win after well, I think all of the country days
would have been a lot strong there. I think they would.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Have came and uh, Chris Long, that's my only critique.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
I don't think it. I just didn't. The song was weird.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
That that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
I think if the song was good enough, time think
I do careful, careful. Some of us have been some
of us, some of us haven't gotten something. But I
do think.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
I do think if we were in a time where
we needed joy and hope and fucking championship of community,
it is a great movie.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
I just think that it would have gotten ripped apart
a little harder had been I that's my personally, I've
never thought, I've never thought about. I think that's an
interesting take because I heard a lot of people who
otherwise I thought what I would have heard opinions from
be like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
I'm the biggest I shred movie musicals to pieces, and
like the only one that I shut up at was
the Christmas Eve midnight doing at Chicago and seeing I
was speechless.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
It was such a perfect it was like the first
and quite because like Wicked is as great as Wicked is,
Wicked still has some of its flaws, right, Yes, but
Chicago is a perfect movie start to finish, perfect musical
that won't die. It's perfect great and zero interest in

(01:09:46):
seeing that musical live again. Will watch that movie as
a comfort movie.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
I never want to see Chicago live, but also that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
So you like musical theater fangirls switched, You're like, I'll
watch the movie any day.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
But now that's how I feel about it. Flying the
musical with Michael Douglass.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
That's how I feel about that. So I feel about
the documentary though I watched the movie. If you didn't
like the Michael Dunwarth version, don't talk about the decamentary.
We can't talk about the decamentary.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
We can't talk about it anyway. But so what Cynthia
Reno has done, though, has changed the climate. Even for
the national tours, even for the Broadbay tours. Now audiences
are like, alphabet can be whatever, right, well, and that's
what came that it should.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Be because it's the same issue I had with people
getting upset with the Little Mermaid. I'm like, she's a
fucking mermaid, isn't Mermaid?

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Alpha bus issue Disney and don't do any more live.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Action Alphabu's flood Greine there but also cares people getting
mad about the Little Mermaid being black, but like, like,
mermaids aren't real, just like alphaba isn't real, so guess
what any man are. Also, she's sang the fuck out
of that leave her alone.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
She's saying that my problem was with the other fish
that looks so scary.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
The other fish. I have a personal fear of OCTOPI like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
You also used this out, but she used the want,
she used the right now, she used the right now. Thanks,
you're a smart bitch, because like I'm afraid the octopus
tell your dad hot.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
But technically, grammatically it's octopi and octopuses. They're both correct.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
It isn't that uncomfyast I went to a lesbian viron
once we heard isn't that uncomfy?

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
You can't get on board with all? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Next top topic, and this one's directed that you, Carlie Gibson,
didn't finish high school. You're like, I'm gonna head to
New York and you headed to New York. Not even that,
but like you did that number one? What did your
family have to say?

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Well, here's the thing, so.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Yeah, no, and help me out too a little bit.
You get the whole fucking handle over there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Oh you gave me my own, but why is mine
so small? And you can you zoom in because I
want to zoom in on Alex's fucking handle over free here?
You can only fit so much into fast well that close. Okay,
wait what am I talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Oh well, okay, high school is kind of kicking my ass.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
I didn't feel like you were you in musical.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
I was going to the high school illegally because I
lived on the wrong side of the track.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
No, you guys, wait, why is every story with you guys?

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Hbo Every time she tells a story if something about her. No,
you know that I did not know that you were
going there illegally.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Well, I had no clue that fact.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
They school choice right, and I wasn't. I wasn't in
the school district. So I was going to one school.
And then my mom was like, oh, you can't go
there because I was getting.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
In fights and oh you did tell me that I
was getting fights and ship and so because I was
like a tough bitch, so you basically, but then I
wanted to go to performing arts high school because I
was like I want to do better with my life
and stuff. And so I went to this high school
but they were like, no, you're white, I can't come in.
But they like denied me because I was white trash
and I was like psych JK, watch me. And then

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so my mom signed over temporary custody to my aunt
who lived into the district. She had to sign over,
like this is the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Mylive brother will attest to this he's only a live person.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Well, my dad's alive. It doesn't matter. Sons was like, hello,
brothers that are alive and one alive father.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Oh that's true, I do it. The other one he
just got engaged. He's not gonna watch this. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
I think he hates me. It's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
So I'm sorry to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Las to be like, is your last hours on earth?

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
I think you were saying like sorry, like not want
your last hours to spend ship? Is this like Bill
Maher overtime where it like goes in there, we're back again.
Nobody wants to hear this story. This is all right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Whatever Souny was. I was going to the school legally,
my mom signed over temporary custody.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
I was going to the school. Then there was like
a whole thing where the parents were trying to like
get me out of the school because I was taking all.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Of the leads and they wanted their kids to get
the leads. If their kids aren't, that's not my fault.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
I didn't do that. I didn't make your kids shitty,
you know what I mean, Like, I didn't do that.
But then they were mad, Kathy Griffin, I didn't do it.
You made me drink vodka and this ship. Guy, you
would have told me this was Specca the whole time.
I would have been like, no, it's not. Anyways, it
doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
It's neft.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
So I was going to this school and then I
got scouted. I got scouted out of my hometown.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
I don't know how to tell this story anymore. It's
getting crazy. No, but you got out of Spray. I
got scouted by an agent. They moved me to New York.
What do you want to know?

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Here's the hot topic number one that takes, for lack
of a better word, balls to just do that, going
from Midwest to New York City. Yeah, huge culture shock.
And then with all these producers telling you, oh, and
then Tracy turnl like we know who Tracy Turnbot is
supposed to be. And then you're with these major stars
and then we're going to shove you on the road.

(01:14:53):
You did this at such a young age. If you
were to have kids and they were to tell you, Hey,
I'm going to drop out of high school and I'm
going to to go to New York and do this,
what would you say? That's the hot topic.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
So I'm not gonna have kids. I coat hanger the
fuck out of those. But I teach kiddy boys.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Well I won't coat.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Hanger them, but I teach them. And it's a little
late Yeah. Well that's called late term abortion, which apparently
they think we're all doing. Now. It's California, so you're
feeding into that to the rumors.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
So anyways, but what I tell them is, look, I
do have a young kid that I teach.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
She's sixteen right now, and she's good. She's really good.
She's out of Wisconsin. Gabby. If you're watching, God not,
I hope you're not. But also I know she probably
will because she's a fan of yours.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Hi, Gabby, and I love her. But Gabby, I'll tell
you this, Gabby, tell.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Your husband us on huh yeah, sixteen, gotta tell your
dad for her TikTok right now, tell your granddad out said.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Hi, Oh my god, Gaffy's filming this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
You guys are give me a heart attack.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Well at least we know it's still you've got one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Anyway, what I say to the kids is like, if
I don't even remember.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Say the kids, let's take a breath, let's reconnect.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
What I'm saying is, God, I don't know I was
so young. This is I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Take it, but take the breath.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
It did for me because I look at me, she's
she's special. No, she's specially. No, she's special, a special star,
and she is like able to handle something like that.
So like nobody, nobody else would be able to handle that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
It's not a path I wish on anyone, because I'm like, look,
it worked out for me, Thank god it did.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
But if it hadn't, what would I do? Do you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Like had it like I dropped out of high school,
told everyone that I was graduating early through a graduation party,
took that money and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Moved to New York City. You're such an actor, but like,
but it not only had twenty five hundred dollars. Now
this was circa I know, but that's how we look
at that was like first months.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Six months in New York on them fried rice six
inch sandwiches from subway, and I shared a studio apartment
with Leonard Sullivan.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
So Leonard, but like that's the only way who can
do it?

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
And then thank god I booked hairspray and I did,
But it's not that's the life. It's like saying this,
It's like saying would you wish the life of like
the kids from Rent from Alphabet City be like, oh,
it turned out okay for some of them, Like no,
like that's not like three of them most of them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Well, if you're in the movie, you're fifty years old.
So but you did the show offway bring.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
It back to I did well?

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Do you think you would bring back to Maureene.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Ooh, Maureene, I would bring back extra swings? No, ass,
we had one swing for you. Got mo ass now too, No,
I do have more ass. I actually think that I
would be a better Maureene. I do think I would
too young to do.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Well because you know every young girl wants to play
Do you understand what this character?

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Maureen is arguably the worst character in Rent. She she
has and this Michael Griffe and I talked about the
reason I did Rent was right after the Next Normal
tour they were looking for a replacement for Annalie, and
Michael Griffe directed me in the Next Normal Tour and
he also directed the both Rent on Broadway and the
off BRIDB revival, and he was like, I want you

(01:18:32):
to come in and do this and I was like, Okay, cool, sick.
I've always wanted to play Maureen. It's every young girl's dream.
And then you get in there and he's talking about
He's like, I, so Maureen is actually morally awful and
she's the only person in this entire show who slept
with every person on stage, And I went, that changes everything?
You like twist that changes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Everything and doesn't need she doesn't and like but it
also like but.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Then then I think you have two options as an actor, right.
Do you go the dumb maureeneut who's like I don't
even realize that I'm like hurting everybody, or it's like yeah,
everybody fucks everybody, anybody expect yeah, Or do you do
the like yeah, you know what, baby, I'm gonna I'm
gonna fuck everybody, and like this is and like take
me fucking number, take me or leave me, And it's

(01:19:18):
and it's interesting because you can once you know that
you can differ it. You can see the divide between
the choices, and there's only two Maureenes. There's there's the
dumb I'm so sorry maybe I cheated on you, and
then there's not and then there's like I did I
cheated on you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
And there's the marine that manipulates everybody to create.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
This correct and once right, and once I knew that,
I was like, oh, she's the one who's like she's
she fucked Benny to get the performance space. So then
let's talk about because let's talk about it because Maureene
probably a fortune five hundred now bet like she didn't

(01:19:59):
marry guy who owns it, she probably runs it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
And here's the thing. You know, the queer community is
under such fire right now, and so a lot of
the queer community is like, I'm gonna flaunt my sexuality.
I'm gonna talk about my sex and I'm going to
use it to empower myself, right, And I think Maureene
was like, yeah, yeah, I think I'm smarter than you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Here's a hot take. Though I don't know that Maureene
is necessarily queer. I think Maureen is attracted to whoever
can help her in the room, whoever, whoever gas gases,
whoever gas is like, oh baby, I got dream like
And that's and that's an interesting person too write because
that's even more morally corrupt than the person takes advantage.

(01:20:37):
That's like, I know you're using me the same way
I'm using you. That is the most person like she's
really truly an awful person, and I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
I don't think she's an awful person, like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
You're right, Well, we don't have to put a stick
with a.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Similar because different people.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
In comparison to Joanne, I think she it's horrible what
she does. Joanne his hangers on, that's true. And why
would you be a Brench girls, she's a Danny girl like.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Talking about White Loadus season three? Why would you be
abused over episode over and over and over and then
we're supposed to feel romantic towards you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
No, I would feel abused. I would get abused by
Parker Post. I didn't see it, did you? Towards her?

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Her acting abusing?

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Are you watching White Loaders right? Like we don't know,
doesn't even watch Tell them to stop ignoring us, like
we're hot too? Why are you so hot? Just hiding
behind Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Okay, okay, fuck over there. You guys have so many
important like yes, it was fresh, Okay, so I have
another hot topic and then we're gonna end on this, Tony,
don't worry. Sorry, And to your husband, you can go
home to your husband and we're gonna get and we're
gonna forty southeas. Oh look my wedding dress again.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
I have to I'm jealous.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Okay, after that, I'm just saying for the record, because
they's away.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
On the rock card, the rock hard, on the rocks card,
on the rocks hard. Shouldn't this be called on the
rocks hard? You screaming it first?

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Fuck o? Trademark, no for you? For you?

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Oh it's my trademarkers. Now, oh, I don't believe you.
I believe you screamed it so that in the court
of law you can claim it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
That's what I think she could so be when she
gets drunk. Most people get drunk and she's like, I've
hired a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
I've hired a lord side John cor.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
From the other.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Well, that's just funny.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
You're a gay porn studio director, is all you are? Like, Like,
that's your director? Now, how you've shifted now writing now
you're gonna you've.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Gone from director to porn director. And I'm let's get
to it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
It's very funny. Tropics sponsored by Atlantis Cruises.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
I love Atlantic City.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
You know what I have to be honest with our audience.
We haven't had an episode this fun. The last few
episodes maye like I don't drink, so we've had drifts.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Oh my god, No, that's on the socks in the Apocalypse.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Here's what I do right, and.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
My god, fighting for your life over there in the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Final hot topic. Both of you actresses succeed so well
in these movie musical parodies talking Edward Scissor Hands. Yes,
I mean, I have to tell you. I know there
was a lot of attention on the other cast and
all that, and I know it moved on to talk
about that after sure, after after Carly, who are you

(01:23:35):
looking at she's giving her back.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Oh my god, but.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Your performance in Edward Scissor Hands was so amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Thank you don't look at me? She saw Oh I
came to agree with many times? Did I come so
many times? Remember that time you came to like kiss
and then I did come and van eyes in her apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
It was such a power. And here's the thing. People
expect going to a parody musical to be like a
naked gun like fun. It's not that it's not that.
It's true you're mixing in music such as classic rop like,
tell your dad, I said.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
That's why we're here, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
But what I'm saying is like there's a lot of
investment in these kind of shows. It's very real on
a different level. And yeah, ever since, Rand's.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Still like it honestly was one that was such a
fun time in my life because I it was not
to bring up the dead mom again, but that was
my mom saw me do that show twice and then
she passed before the third and fourth time we had
done it, So my mom got to see me be

(01:24:53):
a mom, which was really cool, and we dedicated to
the show the show to her the third time we
did it, and then it went on to London and
it did whatever it did over there. But then that's
I mean the on to touch on like the fun
aspect of parodies and that it's more than just like slapstick.
One of my favorite things about Exorcistic is that people

(01:25:16):
expect it to be a slapstick humor parody and it's
it's truly a love letter to the movie and then
things take on their own sort of sub story, which
is great.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
I wasn't able to see that show, which we'll be back.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
She was incredible, well, we're going. I think we're planning
a little stint in New York towards the end of
the year. So keep your ears peeled ears and eyes
and gaze pield, keep it up. We'll do it. We'll
go together. You want to fly with me? You don't fly, well,
I'm pretty sure we're going to be flying partly up
for a week in paying are you? Are you? Yeah? Okay, okay, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Anyway, the question is doing movie musical parodies? Is brought
done with doing? We've had Death Becomes Her? Is it fun? Yes?
Is it great? Double War's product? Is it fun? Is
a great?

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
I tap out of this?

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Okay, if you guys don't want to She is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
I'm more I think in tune and tapped in with
the Broadway community than I think Carly Is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
We also had pretty women, missus doubtfire.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
There's been a lot, I mean, even going back to
legally blind, like think about when we had Catch Me.
If you can think about how many how many original
musicals have we had in the last fifteen years, and
as soon as we get them, we shun them, we
shit on them. We say that Lempica was an original musical. Yeah,
a beautiful musical Beautiful. Matt Gold is one of my

(01:26:45):
favorite fucking composers on the play. I did witness Uganda
with him. He is a brilliant musician, brilliant writer and
lyricist and songwriter, like just joy to work with, biggest
heart on the planet. That was an original show, and
we've been screaming we want original stuff, we want original stuff.

(01:27:06):
But do we we were given something original and then
we absolutely shit on it, or we don't go and
support it, or we're quick to demonize and be like
this is a historically accurate. Go fucking watch the show
and reason to the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Music, and Redwood is getting torn apart. So they bring
in Kristin Chenoweth to do wicked song on stage.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Wait, and it's like, can we just like let something
live and find itself and like be supportive of it
and not maybe like can I celebrate it ten years
later in musical theater canon when it's closed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
And here's the thing, like, and I say new piece
Hamilton because I'm such a classic musical theater I wouldn't
have invested ten dollars in Hamilton because like, are you crazy?
It created a whole sensation and that was a new musical,
So how does that survive? And these new musicals are
not surviving?

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
But I mean to argue that point, it was a
new musical that was piggybacking off the success of Lin Manuel,
who'd had a couple of hits under his belt and
had been working with people that he'd been working at
Disney with Disney at that point, Like it is sort
of a short beat in terms of like there's like
new there are anytime people ask me about new projects,

(01:28:17):
I'm like, I could name five shows right off the
top of my head that should have gone to Broadway
ten years ago that will never Can I go pee? Yes,
I know we're over, were actually going to pee my pants?
We keep no finish up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Tony has to go home? Does show where the bathroom is?
Garrett's probably there. I have here's your depend So here's
here's the flip side. Though, also movie musicals, we love Wicked.

(01:28:53):
I already loves Wicked. Everybody loves people that are not
in a musical theater love Wicked. It has set the
bar so high.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
So two weeks after Jennifer Lopez released her version of
Kiss with the Spider Woman and some of the film
festivals got really well and they said it's her best
pflec Rave reviews. Nobody's seen it. It's because Wicked set
their budget and all this her budget for Kiss, and
we know Kiss for the Spider Woman is in a prison.
It's not going to be the same level.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
It's not going to be there's not a whole lot
of differentiation between sets.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
They barely found a distributor and now it's going to
be distributed with like marketing. Kis that's fire when it's
a good musical.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Well, here's this is also. I mean, I think this
is a big too. I love but I love all music.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
How old were you? Did you see it?

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
I didn't see it. No, I went to the Lincoln
Center Library and watched it because I'm that kind of nerves.
Which version did you see the revival? Okay, sorry, that's
that's what I had available.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
I have a funny story. I'll just do it real. Okay,
So young musical theater, gay kids are talking about Cheater
Rivera back on stage. Amazing, right, I've got to stop
hitting this microphone.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Like mass A Dancer and Strip Club.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
There's no there's no button action. But like Cheea Rivera
on stage and for me as a young gay kid, like, wow,
this veteran, she nailed that amazing. So I was an
elevator to go see Cheata Rivera and my mom, who
worked three jobs, to do anything fancy Sizzler and TJ
Friders was fancy.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Same.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
She bought us orchestra seat tickets to see Cheea Rivera
and Kiss with a Spider Woman. We're in the elevator.
My mom was like, she keeps kneeling me, and.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
She's like, that's her.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Rida Moreno was in the elevator right next my mom
and I had just listened to Forbidden Broadway. Chea Rivera
is not Rita readA Morena is not cheat shut. She's
trying to get the movie. And I started to laughing.
I was a little kid got the game was beautiful.
But and then we went to see Cheetah and Kids Spider.
My eyes were like, dying. Can that translate to a movie?

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
But is it because we get set?

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
I don't think so. I just think some movies don't
translate that well. And I think it also depends on
who's behind it. Right, Like when I saw Crazy Rich Asians,
I went, that's a musical, like not but like, but
I wasn't even meaning like in terms of that should
be a musical. Just the way it was shot, it
was so grand, it was so yes, it was like
it was so presentational. I was like, that is a musical.

(01:31:36):
So when John Chu directed it, like John Chu directed
the pilot episode of Good Trouble, Like what, yes?

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
John Chue directed the first episode of Good Trouble. That's
why the choo.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
You're going to spend the night here? Sorry, that's kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
I'm not joking. That's why the concept is so complicated
like it is literally because John Cheu set up all
of those weird shots were like it's a handheld camera,
that's like another person sitting at the table. That's all
John Chuo. He's an executive producer. He's an executive producer
in Good Trouble. So it's all full circle. How did

(01:32:13):
I know you'd still be at it? Oh my god,
I feel so much better. Can we talk about No,
this is real talk. This is real talk. I had
a piece so bad that like I had to hunch
over on my way to the bathroom. That's how bad
I had a pee. When it cripples you, I hate it.
Fuck doubled. Is that Does that mean something's wrong with me? No,
we have like medical anxiety. But I have to check

(01:32:35):
in with her.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
That's a fine thing because Tony has to go. But
we were talking about, you know, Wicked has set the
bar so high for movie musicals. We still need movie
musicals for a younger generation for that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
Yeah, but let's do original musicals. Let's let's do Next
to Normal as a musical movie.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
No one of my questions.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
And have Tony Collette played Diana?

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Oh, trademark trademark that is brilliant screaming and then what
happens if you yell trademark? Then Tony owes you money
if she does it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
I just will.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
I just want to be invited to the premiere. No.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
I hung out with Neia, she was on the show
I Love Her, a reboot of doing Connie and Carla,
and she said Tony wouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
I've been talking about doing a parody musical, of which
she like, we should do. Get him to the Greek.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Did you see it was the Greek movie Big? Absolutely anyway,
but let's do this. So the thing is so right
after Wicked came out, Jennifer Lopez apparently filmed this amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
With Diego from Rock of Ages.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
No no, no, no, from Mama.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
To Tom Yes, yes, yes, no, that's not his name.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
No, it's not Diego, it's he was an and or
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Anyway, I know we were talking about we'll fix it,
my favorite factor. We won't.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
But they put together a beautiful film and when they
presented it at some of the film festivals, they said
it was Jlo's best work. It's kissing Spider Woman. But
because Wicked came out all of a sudden, all the
distributors pulled out because it's not a big, glitzy c
g I. It's in a prison. Is that going to
change the future of movie musicals. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
I don't have all the money.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
That's what it is like. You just looked like a
leprechaun who wouldn't give me my goal.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
It's like you reached the end of the rainbow and
you wanted all the answers, and I was like, I
fucking no, I don't someone already took I don't know,
they don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
It was so great. It brought generations back into musicals.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
I think people just need to get creative, which is
the big problem with theaters. No one wants to get
creative anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
But so, but we also have musicals coming out like
Merrily We Roll Along, It's going to come out. We know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
I love a live recording. I think it's accessible to theater,
like two people.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
But people are gonna expect wicked.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Then they're then they're stupid. How do we leave it
on a high note?

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Let's leave it they're stupid. Can you give us a
little sample of one to wet that you guys are
doing together?

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
Oh no, no, but an hour and a half in
absolutely not. But but we can tell you this. What's
your favorite song that you're gonna say?

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Mine, Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
And where's your podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
I'm actually really excited. I'm actually really excited about our
opening song. I am just because it's Tom Petty American Girl.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
And when I think of that and I think about
that intro, I think about my mom.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
It makes me think of both.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
Los Angeles and my mom. It makes me think of Ventura.
It makes me think of like just palm trees and sunsets,
and that's why I came out here and like the
whole vibe and it just puts me in such a mood,
and I just get excited thinking about all the things we.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Haven't done yet, you and me. I get excited about
that because I love you so much. I love you too.
I'm excited to sing barracudah because I love when carlosing.
We are closing with closing with Barracuda.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Okay, straight, you're going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
Wow and on that note.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
Yeah, So this is my this is my final question.
Where do you want the band to go from here?

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Your living room, on your mom's face, It doesn't matter.
The whole reason we want to do this is because
we love like this is a talent that we were
both born with and that we were given and that
we love to share with people. But it's sort of
gotten misconstrued under contracts and and rules and limitations, and
we really just want to perform in spaces that people

(01:36:47):
want to have us. We want to do parties, we
want to like do venues. We want to do this
ship on our own terms. We're not trying to be
we're not trying to be rock stars and like it
like but if, but we're not trying to be recording artist.
We're not trying to be recorded like ros. We're not
We're not trying to bring We're not trying to record
songs that people have already done and reinvent the wheel here.

(01:37:07):
We're just trying to get acknowledgment for the talent that
we have and the want people do invite us into
their lives to party with them for a minute. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
Final question. Sorry, Tony, I'm married. I know you don't
know what that is like visual citizenship? Final questions? Can
I come over for a hopin? Hello? Sorry?

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
No, get that was me.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
I made the joke about and then I got upset
and you just made that joke, So I don't feel
so bad about mine. An I met him and I
was like, what anyway? Final question? It's true you remember,
I know there was and we'll talk about this later.
We're gonna go to the smokehouse and have another martini. Okay,

(01:37:55):
here's real fast, got fine, don't wr My final question
is can I come over sometime in slippers and a
rope and watch a movie with you?

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
Will you wear be dropped at Gorgeous? Yes? You dropped
at Gorgeous?

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
And I watched it from my first time last week
and I was like, what, you don't like it? It's okay,
my friend Minnie Sterling, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
It is one of my favorite movies of all time.
Mom always makes that face whenever she sees a tilta
whirl or a fad lady at a tube tap.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
That that I can't do the musical. If you're gonna
wear slippers, then you need to wear watch Stawbreaker.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
I do love Jawbreaker? Fine?

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Are you? Who? Are you okay? Anyway?

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Is anyone even still with us?

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Carly? Where can people find them? Hell? You?

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
Where can they find me? Any street corner in Hollywood?

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
No, that's true. That's not true.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
It is true.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
It is true.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
It's everything, Carly Gibson with a J. You fucking sluts
well because some of.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
You are like, do you mean ge well?

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
I wonder if you're not in Sondheim's.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Not one of these.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
But you could do missus love it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
Everyone could love it. I'm gonna play missus love tits,
Get out of here, fuck off? Who cares you right back?
But who gives us ship?

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
I'm gonna be sued by the Tony Awards.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
Emma, name is it right now? It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
We'll find you. Your Your social media is very specific.
You share a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
I don't you know why, because.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
I find like a public picture and you're.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
Like, I got dumped a lot. So I deleted a
lot of memories. I can't believe people would you so hot,
so funny? I know she I did. I had to
delete a lot of memories. But I Emma hunted everything
and it's real. Emma hunted because there was another one

(01:39:56):
and I had to make sure they knew I was
the real one.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
This might be here. Primary world is all over. This
can't wait to repurpose.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
God, I'll see you on the never fucking Ever. I'll
see you the twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
First of Nebruary on those fucking okay, ready to chat world,
fuck you and.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Fuck you say and we'll.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
Shay you talked when I was a child?

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Fuck you okay and stop and then well that's awesome.
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