Modern-day Exorcist to the Stars Rachel Stavis Kicks Off Halloween

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Straw Media. Hello. On the Rockers, we are kicking off
the Halloween season with Hollywood's modern day exorcist and author
Rachel S. Davis. Forget what you think you know about
exorcism and demons. She's here to spill the tea on
it all with over ten thousand cases under her belt.
By the way, with my guest co host, actor and
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Los Angeles, as well as several TV and film appearances.
In addition to acting, he's also a fixture in West
Hollywood night life. Please welcome back, Michael Vega. Do you
like the Halloween pictures? The night show.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Fixture? I love that?

Speaker 1 (02:37):
L Yeah, why not your fixture? You're say fixture Vega fixture?
All right? You know, we talk about reality TV, we
talk about what's on TV. We talk about West Hollywood gossip.
Why don't the gays talk about paranormal and supernatural things?
We don't talk about grief, we don't talk about life
after death, and we certainly don't talk about paranormal Why.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Wow, that's a that's a stumper right there.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
We're gonna startic. I can't started.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
I mean, you know, we live in our own our
own reality, of our own making, you know, in the
in night life. So I'm thinking, you know, it just
becomes whatever the individual wants to wants to make it.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
So why I don't.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
But I'm like, are we so such a but like,
are we so concerned with like our selfies and our
social media that we're not thinking about life after death
or we're afraid to talk about.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Absolutely back death or getting older? I mean, yeah, come on.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
I mean I just had a birthday, and you know,
I start, you start doing the number game of I'm
closer to this age than I am to that age,
and it's just you know, you stewing it and so
and then you know, we judge ourselves on how old
we are, you know, yeah, I mean look at our
we're a twink or we're a twunk or where are
this or where are that?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
And you're a daddy by like thirty two? You know,
well I should be dead, I'm a cool I'm a
giggle boop.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I'm not really here.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah. Well, and it's you know, what else is reminds
us of our age is when figures that we grew
up with that we always assume we're gonna be around
like Maggie Smith, like James Earl Jones, they're just our constants.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Oh absolutely, and when they go it's like, wait, what when.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
I got to a certain age and started saying, uh,
it was pop stars for me, yeah, you know, George
Michael and Whitney and Prince and and I thought, well,
my childhood, I felt like my childhood was dying as
these people we were, you know, falling off and it's
just so bizarre to me. And you know with a
Maggie Smith that you know, there's so much older, but
it's it's.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
The younger ones. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
I remember I had a really hard time when River
Phoenix died because.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
That was a tragedy totally absolutely.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
But he was around the same age I was.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
So it just put mortality to the front of my
front of my mind and I started, you know, that
got me thinking, oh my god, you know, time is limited.
You can just go like that if this big you know,
talented star who you know I aspire to be right,
ain't gonna do that?

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Now? What is your personal relationship with the paranormal with
and we're gonna talk about her. Religion doesn't really play
a part in exorcism, which is odd to say. What
we're going to talk about that?

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:05):
But how because you know, we both come from Latin culture,
which is very steeped in superstition, even Catholic superstition. It's like, okay,
calm down with your rosary, but that's part of how
we were raised. What's been your kind of relationship with
other worldly stuffs?

Speaker 5 (05:18):
Well?

Speaker 3 (05:18):
I was thinking about that.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
You know, there's there's a lot of stuff that sort
of you know, you get to a certain age and
some childhood memories are just peripheral. You know, you just
see the sort of outline of a memory and you wonder,
did that really happen or am I just dreaming it?
And there are a few reoccurring things, you know, I
know there were some centeria things growing up that I

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can't explain that my mother's never really explained.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
You know.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
I remember an incident of chicken bones on our front porch,
and it was a big deal.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
And I had no idea why, never really asked.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
There is one reoccurring thing and my mother can't even explain.
But I must have been three or four, and I
remember that the couch. There was a couch that was
placed against a closet.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
All right, and every horror film has that.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
I know. I just got chills on my thighs.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
And I remember there was some warm laundry and I
put my hand underneath the laundry because it was, you know, warm,
and it smelled like dryer sheets.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
I remember feeling as sort.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Of hand nope, pulling, no, thank you.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
And it's one of those memories, where did that? Did
that really happen? Like why is that from? You know,
from being so young still with Yeah, but as clear
as day, it's there, just the feeling of, you know,
sort of.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Towards the claw. You know, you have the couch, but
it just sort of towards the closet.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
And Yeah, we're gonna talk about sleep paralysis too, because
I'm affected every six months by sleep paralysis in such
a bad way. But when I'm in it, it's one
hundred percent real. It's physical. I've had things move, I've
been touched, I've been forced I've been all these things,
but then when you really think about it, you're like,
I must have just been dreaming, even though at the
moment it's one hundred percent for real and your totally sentience.

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So we're going to talk about how that all I'll plays.
Are you ready?

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (07:05):
All right, let's dive right in with our Lady of
the Hour. Rachel Stavis is the best selling author of
Sister of Darkness, The Chronicles of a Modern Exorcist, now
in development as a major motion picture. By the way,
She's a healer and an exorcist. She has removed energy
blockages and has spiritually cleaned non denominationally by the way,
or rather poly denominational, we're going to talk about that,
not tied to any one religion. She's helped more than

(07:28):
ten thousand clients to date, from rock icons to Oscar winners,
from politicians to members of the royal family, from cult
survivors to couples with infertility issues, young and old, extreme cases,
and mild ones helped with addiction issues. She's also worked
on several film sets to help clear the negative energy,
and she's worked on behind the scenes on many TV
shows with producers, with cast which is very well detailed

(07:50):
in her book, and we're going to talk about that
to really clear negative energy, you name it, she's been
called in to do it. Without further ado, please welcome
the Exorcist next door Rachel staves O.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
That's quite an intro. And also, whenever I hear someone
say ten thousand over ten thousand cases, it makes me
like dizzy.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
I can't even imagine because, and you talk about it
in your book, the amount of energy that goes into
having an exorcism, the appiod in time after ten thousand.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
It mind blowing to me, Like I don't even know
how did that happen?

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Well, your book opens with a very extreme case and
it deals with a very small child, which is yes, yeah,
which is horrific. You know, we've seen movies like The
Exorcists that deals with child possession, but when you put
it into real world words, it takes on a whole
kind of different severity. And I have an emotional journey
as well.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Absolutely yeah, And like you said, we don't I'm not
the church. I don't work in the way that the
church does. And in fact, with that particular case that's
in the book, it was a family who their child
was seeing things and hearing things, and the things were
moving around in the house, and no one was okay.
And they had gone to the church first, and the
church goes through a checklist of things where they're like, okay,

(09:03):
you know, does it fit all of these requirements, which
you know for them it has to. And they believed
that this child was lying. And I can see entity
with my eyes. I was born with the ability to
see entity with my eyes. And so they came to
me a very Hollywood way by the way, like they
there they worked for someone who was like a producer

(09:25):
somewhere who was in touch with my manager at the time.
So my manager got a call saying like, hey, does
she do this for people? Then we go. But anyway,
aside from that, they came and I could see the entity,
so I knew she wasn't lying, and definitely like gave
her a cleansing and exorcism and the family has been

(09:46):
in touch with me for I don't even know many
many years now and she's still doing well.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Does does so entity? Does it follow?

Speaker 4 (09:54):
Because you know when you hear stories about huntings or possessions,
I think, just get out the house, just leave, move,
go somewhere else, and but I imagine it's something that
would follow or.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Well, it was an attachment, so it was a possession.
So yeah, with that particular case that was not attached
to a house, that was attached to the child. And
the difference between hauntings and possession is that ghosts can't
really possess you. That is something that people love to
talk about, like perpetuate that this happens all the time.
They don't really do that. They can just be annoying,

(10:30):
and they can be really annoying, like to Sez people
like I always say, disease people don't shut up. They
really can be annoying, whereas entity is who possesses. The
only time that that is different is like as you
were talking about in centuria or things like that, when
you're having a religious situation where you're inviting ancestral spirits
to come in. But even then it's momentary, it's not continuous.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
We're gonna get into the nitty gritty about your own
personal journey. But we got so many different questions where
did different And so I wanted to start the show
off to kind of ward off certain assumptions. So you know,
because you know people hear exorcism, and we're taught that
demons and entities are from this Christian based idea of hell.
Can you talk about those religious assumptions and what the

(11:17):
reality of an actual demon or entity is?

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, so, I mean, entities do come from a space
that is not our own, is it Hell? I can't
really say, because I didn't go visit them there, But
they come from another realm, whatever that is, and they
pass through here and then they come here to feed,
to attach to people and to feed. It's not based

(11:41):
on whether you are religious or have lost your religion
or whatever, like we always see in movies, which we're changing,
by the way, because we're starting to tell different stories
about exorcism now. But that is kind of what we've
always seen, and it's about Jesus or about religion, you know,
mostly Catholicism, Christian that kind of stuff. The reality is

(12:02):
that entities are low frequency, so we all kind of
walk around with what I call a baseline frequency. That's
kind of where we are in the world, how we
talk to ourselves, how we talk to others, how conscious
we are, how we treat ourselves, how we treat others,
you know, how kind we are, all of that factors in.
As cheesy as that sounds, so most people, you know,

(12:23):
I always say like if ten is Buddha and one
is dead, you know, most people are like at a
four or four and a half. It's not quite great.
It's certainly not high frequency, but it's like all right.
You know, when we work on ourselves, that goes up,
takes time. When we have a trauma of some kind,
it can really go down because we really are not

(12:44):
taught in this culture how to deal with that energetically,
you know, spiritually, let's say, even mentally, right, Like we
tell people to suck it up and get over it,
and that's not what happens. So when we take an
energetic hit, that's how entity attaches because they're looking for
a specific low frequency feed that matches their own. That's

(13:05):
why they can't. Like again, in movies, how we've seen
move from person to person to person to person. That's
not true unless everyone in the room somehow had a
very similar energetic presence. So it's not based on religion
at all. It's actually based on energy and that's how
everything works. And you know, just a side note, most

(13:29):
of the things we see about possession and exorcism are
about the Church, but it didn't start there. You know,
we've had exorcism in possession since ancient times in ancient cultures,
and there are many, many cultures that have whatever you
want to call it, some high priests, some witch doctors,
from shaman, some everybody else that takes things out, you know,
So we just you know, they've kind of just co

(13:50):
opted it a bit.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Well, it's funny, like you said, every religion has an
exorcist practice in place. There's a handbook, there's a manual.
The Vatican first created one in sixteen fourteen, and then
they updated it in nineteen ninety nine, right by the
right before the millennial change. But it's like, what was
going on through the Vatican's mind or what was happening
with possessions and actual exorcisms, They were like, we need
to update this handbook.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
For honestly, they were done. No, they they am up.
We had more more negative energy on the planet and
it's gotten increasingly worse, and there were more people complaining
to the Church about needing exorcisms, and so they needed
to train more priests, and that's what happened. So when
you train more priests, you kind of have to update
what you're looking for for the times, right, and so

(14:34):
they had to change how they were viewing the practice
and how they were going to decide who needs one
versus let's call it mental health or or you know
whatever else, which by the way, is not exclusionary.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
It was fresh well, and when we talk like some
of the comments I got was, you know, the minute
you go into talk about demonology, you know, it's it's blasphemous,
it's going against religion. That you're non denominational. That's not
quite right, because you use the tools of whoever you're helping,
whatever they respond to. But you're using the tools that

(15:08):
come to you. And you've had experiences with anything from
angel presences to God type figures to even religious figures.
They've all come together to help you with your rituals.
So it's not non denominational.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
It's multi yeah, yeah, it really is more multi because
I work with high beings. High beings are what people
consider angels, you know, spirit guides, ancestors, mathster teachers like
these are all considered high beings, God, if you will, universe,
spirit all the same. So I do work with a
multitude of high beings from many cultures, many practices, not

(15:46):
certainly not just Catholicism, but even Paganism. There is everything. Everything,
Like who I call in is crazy, but these are
the high beings that I've created a relationship with over
the years, and so these are the ones that I
work with the most when people come in. You know,
I have had many different clients who've had certain religious

(16:07):
upbringings or cult religious upbringings or religious cult upbringings that
have come in and been very fearful to do the
working because of where they come from, and they've broken
out of those things and don't want to return there.
But they may have a relationship to Archangel Michael, let's say,
and they feel like, okay, well that was always good

(16:28):
for me, So that might be something that we call
in during that time as well. Sometimes we even call
in people's deceased loved ones to help, because that is
part of the working too, especially if the deceased loved
one feels or thinks that they are responsible for what's
going on here, they will come in. So it gets crazy,
like we're all over the map in terms of who

(16:50):
comes into help. But yeah, it's an experience, and some
people get really mad when you talk about this. I
mean I get death threats all the time. Let me
just put that in person, because I say very consistently,
all high beings work together. There's no religious framework here.
They're not going to not work on you because you

(17:13):
come from this background. That's not how it works. And
so like super religious people get very offended by that.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Do you get messages when you're not asking for them
and then you just keep them? You know, if you
come across a person and spirit gives you a sort
of message, do you feel compelled to share it with
that person?

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Sometimes? Listen, I'm not Tyler Henry, right. So when you're
a medium and you get messages randomly walking around, they're
usually nice, like, they're usually messages where people won't be
offended or upset if you approach them and say, listen,
just side note, your grandma came through and here's what

(17:56):
she has to say. And then everybody's crying and cugging
and feeling good. Me it's like, oh, there's an entity attachment.
Let's talk about the thing that happened to you when
you were five. It's not really well received most of
the time, So I don't get my flowers for that
you know, so I don't really do it that much.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
I see.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
The only time that I will do it is like
in a setting like this, if you know something came
through and we were having an open conversation about that,
then I could be like, listen, I'm not going to
get into details, but here is something that came through.
So like when you were talking about your couch and
you're being pulled underneath, you can ask if your mom

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will talk about it. But it seems like something happened
where they did a ritual to bring in ancestors and
something else came through, so they had to do something
to clear that out, and it took its time.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
I asked that question because a few days ago I
was behind the bar and there was a woman who
was there with her her son. She was a bit
probably a bit older than me. She was by my
bar and she just kept looking over a few times
and then came to me and sort of grab I'm
pouring drinks and grab my wrist.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Not not force blake, but had to tell me something.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
And she mentioned my energy and my light and that
a couple of other times.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
She just kept coming back and say.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
You don't have to you can rest now you don't
have to come back. And she was talking about reincarnation,
that you've learned everything you need to learn, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Just like, okay, but those are nice messages.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
They are, but I'm still thinking, do you want a
line in that?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
But it's just yeah, you have to want it. I
don't know, like because if you're a psychic medium, which
maybe that woman was right, so she was just getting
these nice hits. And I'll tell you the truth. When
I do something, I can't control much of what comes out.
I won't just say it, but if someone asks, I'm
gonna be like, and here's your life story and here's
what happened here, and you remember that time you did this. Okay, cool,

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and people will stop. So I try not to do
it unless you want it. But like, if you have
good messages to share, I think people are very receptive
to that. But I coming from being the person who
sees the worst of everyone first before I even know
their name, I can see everything terrible that's ever happened
to you and everything terrible you might have done. I
am used to keeping my mouth shut unless someone's like,

(20:16):
I really want to know why this happened, or I
really have questions about this.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
You know. Now let's talk about your connection with demons
or entities whatever name people. Yeah, you know, your your
job and you talk in the book you used to
be concerned about what happens to the entity after you
exercise it, and now you're just like get out, You're gone,
like poof, you know, yes, and so you don't care
about their existence after and most times they're just go away.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
I mean, it sounds so mean when you say it
that way.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
But I mean, who wants to take care of a demon?

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Though?

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Well that's the thing. So here's why. So in the beginning,
you know, when you're spiritual, right, and you you are
part of that process, you want to see the best
in everything, which I still like to think I do,
but even entity, you're like, you're trying to see the

(21:10):
best in it. So what you used to do, what
I used to do is in the very beginning of
my practice, probably for the first year or so, I
would do that thing where I was like, he's love
and light to you demon, you know what I mean,
and just kind of try to transmute the energy and
let it pass. So there's a portion of my process
where back then I don't do this anymore. Back then,

(21:33):
I would be like, Okay, I'm giving you this opportunity
to leave before I do the rest of what I'm
going to do, and a lot of the time it
would be like ooh bye, right. I even had a
situation where that was caught on camera for a daytime
talk show where they were like, they literally went through
and inspected my entire spirit room to make sure that
that was not ho bullshit, but they couldn't find a

(21:54):
thing because that's what happened. So the thing went out right.
But what was happening was I would see the same entity,
not the same kind, the literal same entity come back
on somebody else, and so I was like, oh, no,
we're not doing this because this is giving me a
lot of work, like more work than I need since
ten thousand exorcisms later, so I was like, no, we're
not playing this game anymore. You don't listen. So house

(22:18):
rules change. So now when I work on people and
they have attachment, I dissipate the energy completely. I don't
allow it to continue to exist.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
So doing that it kind of makes you like the
bad guy in terms of the demon rope? Are you
afraid of that demon energy coming to attack you, or
are you afraid of life after death? If you go
to around, these demons are just waiting to get their
revenge on you.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
No, but I'll tell you what they do do. They
do bring with them visitations. So I do get visitations.
Visitations are like not all the time, but every so often,
and they used to be much more like clockwork. But
I don't know they've changed, the energy has changed. I
don't know. They're too sick of me. I guess they

(23:02):
used to be like once a month. I used to
call it like a bad moon, like it was a
bad period. They would come like once a month, like clockwork,
all through the night. And now it's just I don't know,
it just happens. But I'll get visitations which are normally tricksters,
what I call tricksters. They take on the form of
something else, or ancient tricksters which are not in the book,
which are old, old tricksters right, who are more malevolent

(23:26):
moving up the scale. So it'll be like sundown, you know,
go to sleep all through the night. You'll get these visitations,
and it'll be tricksters that are interested in I don't
know how to put it like they're like moth to
flame kind of thing, Like they're curious, they want to know.
It's not an attachment, but they can be pretty malevolent,

(23:49):
and it can be pretty terrifying in certain ways. Like
I've had tricksters come to me that look like weird things,
like they'll come Okay, so this sounds absolutely stupid sounding,
Like the stupid sounding ones were the most terrifying. Honestly,
I had one one night. I'll never forget this. I

(24:11):
have a cat named Luna, and she likes to sleep
on the bed, so she and I were on the
bed and this was many years ago now, and at
one point during the night there was a visitation of
this entity that came in that wasn't even Sometimes they
don't even try to look like people, but most of
the time they try to look like people. This one
was like, not, fuck it, I'm not going to look
like people. So it came in and I don't know

(24:33):
where it got this information. I don't know why it
showed up this way, but you know those wacky balloon.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Guys, Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
That's what it looked like.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
My god, Okay, they're creepy though, like on their own
inful daylight. They are creepy.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
It came right up to the bed, undulating up to
the bed, and my cat Luna just hissed and hissed
and hissed at this thing, and I was like, what
the hell. And so that was like one of those
ones that was like, Okay, this is not pleasant. And
then there was this other one, which might be in
the book, not really a trickster, just to pass through.

(25:07):
So we do have entities that don't attach to anybody,
and they just passed through, going from wherever they're from
to wherever they're going next, like you know, just going through.
And some of them are the weirdest looking things I've
ever seen, like weirder than the usual entities looked to me.
Like there's one I called it like the Ferbie. It
looks like it was like this tall and it had

(25:27):
like big feet and like hot and candy looking body.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
It's in the book, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Like plasticky looking eyes and just was like going through.
And then there's like some that I call like the Poof,
which is just like dark cloud energy that's just poofing
in and out and just going through like just very random, strange,
like whatever you can imagine it's weirder than that, and
they don't bother. Anybody can't tell if they're malevolent really

(25:53):
or not. They don't feel great, but they're just going
through tricksters.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
If you're watching, come as Brad Pitt like, that's how
you can come to me. That's totally fine, exactly. But
let's talk about because you detail very clearly, and you
have these visions even as a little little kid.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yes, all my life.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
The way that you see demons. Because you know, I've
heard people say, oh, you know, I feel the presence
or I see like an orb. You see these grotesque
figures in every kind of detail. Can you talk a
little bit about what it is you're actually seeing and
what you can see in pictures too.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yes, So there are quite a few entities that we
see over and over, a species of each, if you will.
So they start with clives, and clives are again, like
I always say, I named all of these things myself.
This is my handbook. This is literally my handbook because
I just keep journals of everything, and so I kept

(26:42):
like notating when I would see something. So clives are
very common and they work as amplifiers. So if you're sad,
you're depressed. If you're angry, you have raged Like so
many people are walking around with clives, very easy to
pick up, very easy to discard without ever knowing you
had it, other than feeling like, oh, that felt like
shit and now I feel better.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I'm in a bad mood all of a sudden. Yeah,
And it.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Lasts for a while. And those look like face hugger
brains And I call them clives because they look like
Clive Barker drawings to me. Yeah, it's super scientific. And
then they maybe he knows yes, saying can't out anything,
but anyway, Yeah, So it just goes up from there.

(27:25):
So from there we have rates which are attached to unfortunately,
sexual dysfunction of some kind, sexual attack of some kind,
being exposed to something too early. And those are the
ones that are sleep paralysis and night terrors. And they
tend to look like, let's see, what would be the
best way to describe that, they are humanoid, So they

(27:46):
look like I don't know, the best way to describe
that would be like slender man ish. But there's female
and male ones, which is very weird, and I don't
know what that means. They just present one way or
the other. Very odd and of course yeah night Terrri
sleeper else is always rates. And then they go up
from there to tricksters, which again will will show themselves

(28:08):
as anything they What they do is they they form
a symbiotic relationship with their host, so they will pull
literally something from your mind and present itself as that.
So they can show up as deceased love ones, they
can show up as imaginary friends. Unfortunately, children get tricksters
a lot. They can show up as oh my gosh, archangels.

(28:29):
Literally had someone who is like I've had a genie
with me for all of these years, and they're like
in their fifties and I'm like, okay, maybe we should
look at that a little bit deeper. And they've shown
up to rock star as many different rock stars as
the same demon, because that's what a lot of rock
stars want to have. Like they show up as Baphamet.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
It's like a glamorization.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yes, that's what they do. It's glamor magic. Yeah, you know,
they just are like, look at me, I'm beautiful here,
like let me in. And tricksters also will show up
even in visitations for me, they'll try to show up
oftentimes is something very innocuous, like this girl or this
guy just very like normal feeling stuff and they don't

(29:12):
feel great. So it takes a while for your brain
to process that sometimes because they'll show up like in
the middle of the night, and you'll be like, wait,
what's happening? Yeah, because why is this girl in a
sweatshirt in my room? That's like you know what I mean,
Like it's just very random, and then you'll be processing
how it feels, and all of a sudden you'll be like, oh, wait, wait, wait,
that's what this is. So they do that, and then

(29:34):
it goes into the next ones, which are mostly buildings,
but not always buildings, because spaces can be possessed as well,
which we don't ever see and we don't ever talk about,
but it is true. They then hold space, so you know,
we go to collectors, which like to be in a
place to a place of two things, mass trauma, so

(29:55):
somewhere where a mass trauma has happened or.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Occurred, explosion or yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Everything. Unfortunately, there's a lot of schools I've been asked
to do now, hotels, cruise, ships, planes, like everything. You
never know. It's like a lot of places. So it
either happened on the land or in the space itself,
and those entities tend to like high traffic as well,
because they can't feed off de ceazed people. They can

(30:21):
only feed off living people. So what they do is
they hold the souls of those who pass there who
don't want to pass on. It's not really stuck. They're
just traumatized, and they'll hold them and then use them
to scare the living to then feed. So it's a
whole process with a collector.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
That was fresh.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
That was a very scary part of your book because
it's you know, we think of haunted houses, especially during
Halloween season. We think haunted houses, and the way that
you distinguish it. No, this is an actual location possession
and the trap soules there. You went to a building
where they were filming something and there was such a
level little trauma for it being a cattle butchery place
to a mob had a space there, and you were

(31:05):
experiencing all of this in this darkness, I mean, and
you had to go room by room in my room.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
You can't shortcut an exorcism.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
That's why that's terrifying.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
That brings up a I spent about a year in
Tucson after we were in New York for nine eleven
blah blah blah blah, me and my now girls, I know,
but it was post nine to eleven, sou in the home.
There was a room and I would bartend so I
would come home late, so I would sleep in this
room so I didn't wake up, you know, my husband.
And that room was always, for some reason, so much

(31:38):
colder than every other room. My dreams would always be
a little bit violent in that room, and once in
a while I would feel just something sitting at the
edge of the bed.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
And now I'm getting chill in the back of my head.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Because we later discovered when we went to paint that
there were you could tell that there was a lock
on the outside of this store, and you could see
with the whatever that you know, I don't know what
doors are, you know what that is, but that had
been repeatedly made me like forced to open or and
there was a lock you know, formerly there. So yeah,

(32:14):
it was something and there was no reason, you know,
it's Arizona. There was no reason for this particular room
to be as cold as it was all the time.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Well, and you also talk about in the book that
when a location's possessed, it doesn't just stay there. It
can outreach, it can like remotely possess. You were going
to do some work at Hotel Cecil, which we know
in la is like the most famed place here, and
knowing what you were about to do, and you didn't
get to do it because of COVID. Yes, things started

(32:43):
to happen in your everyday life. You're not even at
that building.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yes, so that let me just preface that by saying,
that's a realm walker that holds that building. So a
realm walker is what people consider the devil as far
as I can tell, but there's not one. There's several
on the planet. They're not that common. They can hold people,
those are the movie style exorcisms, and they can hold spaces.
They prefer to hold spaces rather than people, because the

(33:08):
only people that they really will hold. It's not what
you see in movies. It's major world changers because these
are the most malevolent, most intelligent, and can do everything
that every entity can do below them. So they're not
going to go after somebody that wastes their time just
to make a scene. Like logically, that doesn't even make
sense if you think about it. That's a waste of

(33:28):
their time. So what they do a lot is hold
major spaces because what they like to do is create
darkness over a whole area and leches. It does seep
out from like the cecil for example, outward outward outward
to all of that area. And yeah, I did not
get to do it because of COVID, And it's been

(33:49):
very trying to try and get back in there since
because they've changed hands a lot, try to do it
so many times and it's not been successful. And it's
crazy because because like that is like my white whale,
I guess right, Like I'm like, I'm just I'm going
to get in there and I'm going to cleanse that
space because if given the opportunity to do that, it

(34:12):
will change the dynamic of the entire downtown area.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
And with that particular hotel, with that I shouldn't say
that hotel, With that particular entity, it can like take
over a massive people at once, like it can do
so much that other entities simply cannot and it can
call people to it like it does. And so when
that entity, when I was first on that entity's radar

(34:37):
because we've known each other a while now since that
book for sure, and I was getting closer to actually
being able to exercise it. At the time, I would
be assaulted whenever I was in that area. So I
would be in the area, and I still don't love
going down there because I'm like, either I'm getting in
there or I'm not. I'm not going to waste my time.
So I remember one time I had to go down there.

(34:58):
I was going to Clifton I think, which is quite
close to there, and I was going for dinner. I
don't remember the ins and outs of it, but I
you know, when you're downtown, there's no parking, right, so
you have to park in like a garage way over
here and like walk over there. So I was walking
over there, and obviously we have a lot of unhoused
people in that area as well, and so I had

(35:19):
people come up to me. It was one after the
other after the other, like almost every moment to get
from the parking garage to Clifton's, where it was one
person who would say he knows you're coming, and then
another person who would say you're not going to get in,
and they would just keep the same thought process, going
and going and going.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, that's so creepy.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, and that's what it can do. You know, it
can do that, which is why you have you know,
police who have investigated that place a million times for
all the things that have happened there over and over
and over again, and having it be like accident, you know,
or you know who knows this didn't happen the way
it happened. It's not their fault, but they are influenced.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Have you ever been over whelmed in you know, any
of the ector system just this is too much for me,
maybe in your earlier years or anything.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Just yes, I actually had. It's a crazy us that
because just to backstory this, because it's been on my
mind for so like this whole year. I have a
bunch of unpublished journals of case files, Mike, not ten
thousand of them, that would be nuts, but you know,
like my hardest or most challenging, or most interesting or

(36:28):
even sometimes my most touching, like the ones that affected
me emotionally the most, and I like to keep track
of them. So I probably have. I don't know exactly,
I've never really counted, but I think it's like one
hundred and twenty five or one hundred and fifty out
of all of those, and one of those is what
you're asking, which we are in the process of potentially
bringing to screen because it's a wild story. Because it

(36:53):
was it did not look like it was as bad
as it was. And you know, back in my let's
call it middle days, right not quite here, not quite beginning,
I got a little cocky. I'm not gonna lie like
I was like anytime someone would ask me to come
in and it was like worth my while. It was like,
you know, it's going to be two days to going

(37:13):
to the space or three days to go into the
space and get it done. And I can do that,
no problem, you know, three day weekend or whatever, just
get it done. And I would I got, you know,
ahead of myself, I guess. And I assumed at that
time that every entity that I would encounter would be
something I've seen. I now know that that's not always

(37:34):
the case. So and since then have encountered a few
entities that are very space related or region related or whatever.
So I was asked to do this in and I,
you know, it was one of these places. I never
I mostly have to sign NDAs for places because with places,
not everybody wants haunted tourism. A lot of places are like,

(37:57):
we're a casino. We don't want people to know that
you did this. They're like, you know, we have to
reopen in a week, and we don't want people like
we're this cute little Vermont bed and breakfast. We don't
want people to know where haunts it, you know, like
stuff like that. So I often signed NDAs for spaces,
and this was the case for this. So I cannot
disclose where or what, but I will say that this

(38:17):
was one of those places where it was a very
old place that someone had bought and they were like,
we're renovating it. We're going to renovate it to look
old school but have all the amenities, and hey, guess
what we have to do that next week. And all
of these workers have been in here and complaining and
some of them won't come back, and so like, weird
stuff has been happening, and like they didn't have the
person who bought it hadn't spent a lot of time

(38:38):
in the place, and what did they know. Like they
were like, I just bought the school place. I'm gonna
flip it basically for something new and exciting. But the
workers were like, we won't go near this thing. So
at one point one of the workers got injured pretty badly,
and that's when they contacted me and were like, hey,
can you come in because we have to open or
we're going to lose money and we can't open like this,

(38:59):
nobody will finish the job. So I was like, yeah,
I want and done, no problem, Like come in and
do this, And it ended up being like one of
the scariest three days I've ever experienced, because again, you know,
you can't judge a book by the cover. It just
looked like a cute little old place halfway through renovations,

(39:20):
and I was like, okay, I got to do this
by myself, Like, let me do my thing because I
don't like being responsible for people in case something happens.
So I did that, and the entity that was in
that space in particular was able to do a thing.
So basically what it did is it was a space
of mass trauma. There was a fire and a bunch

(39:42):
of murders that had happened after because hello, old buildings,
weird stuff, and so a lot of people had died
in the space. So I was like, okay, this is
going to be a collector. In my mind, that's not
what it was. So what this entity was able to
do that no other entities I've seen since or before
was able to do was actually keep the possession going

(40:06):
after the people died. So not only was so. Normally,
when you go into a space to clear, for let's
say a collector, you have all these deceased people who
are traumatized, so you have to clear them first so
the battery's gone. So normally what I do is I
walk in, I have conversations with the deceased people. We
usually talk about their trauma or why they're afraid to

(40:27):
move forward, and then we help them along and oftentimes
more often than not, they're like, oh great, this is great.
I don't want to really be here anymore. Cool. In
this case, they were still like lunatic crazy from this entity,
like they were still under the entity's influence just beyond
just keeping them in the cycle. So I was being

(40:50):
kind of I guess, like assaulted, I guess, if you will,
not just by the entity, but everybody else in the space.
So I couldn't release them properly the way I normally
do and then weaken the entity. I had to like
work through all this so, and in space is also
one thing that you have to be very careful of.
Spaces are much more dangerous than people. Is that when

(41:13):
an entity hold space, it holds the whole space, So
that means that it can take the whole space down
if it wants to. And oftentimes we've seen things like
sinks coming off of walls, pipes coming down, buyers starting floods,
like all kinds of weird stuff electrical, Yeah, just all
kinds of weird stuff that could hurt someone and also

(41:33):
make people sick, Like it can send a lot of
nausea and stuff through. So, like people who are very
susceptible when they come in with me often get nauseous,
really nauseous. And that's why I don't I'd like, I
just don't like being responsible for people well being because
it's like hard enough to do your own and get
through there. So yeah, so it's it's very dangerous to

(41:54):
do spaces. So in that particular space too, there was
a lot of that because stuff was under renovation and
so would crash. They had a like an old I
don't know exactly what it was. It wasn't a phonograph,
but it was like an old old record player from
somewhere that would just play on its own, like you
would have so much stuff happen, and by the time

(42:15):
you go turn that off, there'd be something happening over here.
And it was just like constant, like trying to keep
you busy. And it was one of those things where
energetically it was very overwhelming, and I ended up being
able to release the entity from the space but not
quite exercise it fully. So it's like I still feel
it around me sometimes. So yeah, So it's one of

(42:38):
those like I'm looking over my shoulder every now and again.

Speaker 6 (42:42):
I got your back, yeah, And I want to set
the same for your early years of exorcism, even though
you had experience these entities as a kid because of
family pressures and family non acceptance, or you just didn't
talk about it.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
You kind of hid the abilities. Yes, until your thirties, yes,
and then all of a sudden it came to you.
But you didn't sit and read a handbook. You just
knew what to do in terms of your first exorcism.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Kind of kind of.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
But if it worked, yes, how did you instinctively know
what to do in terms of a ritual?

Speaker 2 (43:17):
So instead of you know once I figured out, okay,
this is kind of my sight and my gift, because
it did not feel that way for a very long time.
It felt like what the hell is this?

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Like?

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Why why is this happening to me? I had a
situation where I could no longer suppress it, and once
that happened, I had to figure out what my next
step was here, because if I can't block it out
at all, there has to be a purpose for this.
I need to find a purpose in this what isn't
And so, you know, instead of turning things off, I

(43:51):
opened them up excuse men, and doing so, I realized,
you know, how to be whole, I guess. And part
of that being whole for me was connecting to spirit,
connecting to spirit, working with high beings, figuring that out.
And so I never wanted to read any book about
it because I thought that's influential, Like, I just don't

(44:12):
want that. I don't want to do something in the
way that is not authentic to me or authentic to
the journey that I'm supposed to be on helping people.
So I sat down and said, okay, Spirit, you know,
come on in now, tell me what I'm supposed to do.
And how I'm supposed to do it, and so over
time we worked out a system. But in the beginning

(44:33):
it was a messy system because like, yes, I knock
on all the things. I'd like to think I have
one hundred percent success right getting things out, But in
the very beginning, like so I was talking to Spirit,
and Spirit always likes to keep what I call a
one way vortex. So there's a specification on how you

(44:54):
lay candles out and or you know, to pull things
out so that it's safe. And so I would do that,
and I would put them on the floor and then
kick them all over and start fires. So practical elements
of exorcism I had to learn. And it's the things
you don't see in movies for sure, Like you never
see someone just kick a candle over bad. Yeah, So

(45:17):
like demons were not the problem, it was like everything else.
So like the first time I had someone come who
was nauseous, I was ill prepared for it. I didn't
have like any of the things for them to like
be sick, so they had to keep like running out
of the room like every five minutes. So now there's
like a system in place. I even know what entities

(45:38):
bring more nausea and like you know, but it's a
it's a learning, you know, like you have to you
have to just throw yourself into it.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Now, the majority of exorcisms you do is in your
safe space at your home. In fact, when you first
got into doing this, you kept it secret. You were
in like the broom closet. Yes, yeah, like you It
was just word of mouth, yes, for for a very
long time. Can you walk us through what I would
expect if if I were to come to you and say,
you know, I feel like I'm possessed, and you talk
in your book, more than eighty percent of people are

(46:08):
walking around with some form of usually, yeah, what is
the ritual? What should I expect?

Speaker 2 (46:16):
So I try to make it as easy for people
as possible because they're usually coming to me as a
last resort. At least they were. Times are changing. Times
are changing, but that's what it had been for many years.
So they're already scared. They already don't know what to expect.

(46:36):
They already think it's going to be something scary or
weird and traumatize. We're just skeptical and sometimes or sometimes
they're pretty open. But they just thought it was this
problem or that problem, and then they've gone through all
those things and are like, okay, I still feel this way.
So when people come in, the first thing I like
to do is I like to sit them down and
just talk to them. I like to talk to them

(46:57):
about why they're there. So first thing, I ask, why
did you want to do this? And oftentimes they'll say
what I call branches. So they'll say, branches, I have
fertility issues, I'm blocked in my career. I've been feeling
a certain way. You know, i have addiction issues. I can't,
you know, deal with some kind of thing like that.

(47:20):
When it's not like, oh my god, I know I'm
possessed a totally different thing that's not an everyday occurrence.
So they tell me the branch. I tell them the route.
Here's why you can't move past this. It's because of
what happened to you here. Let's talk about that. We're
going to talk about that, because that's the information I
get from spirit. So half the time, when people come in,

(47:40):
they think they're there for one thing, but they're really
there for something they didn't even want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
And sometimes they don't, they still want to hide it
from you and you're like, well, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
It doesn't matter. People live, but energy doesn't. And so
that's what I'm reading. I'm reading the room. And then
once we've established why they're there, we need to talk
about what we're doing. So in if there's entity attachment,
then we talk about, Okay, here's the entity. Here's what
we're going to do today to get that out. If

(48:11):
there is no entity attachment, we just talk about trauma removal.
Nine times out of ten we do both. Because if
we're going to bother taking an entity out of someone,
we need to also take out the energy signature that
attracted that entity. So we want to move trauma out
of the body. And when we do that, when I
do that, I move it from what I call the

(48:32):
body space to the spirit space. What that does is
it allows energy to flow properly. So when we are
holding a bunch of trauma energetically in the body, it
works like a game of operation where energy has to
flow around all of these tiny boxes that inhibits flow.
So when we take it out of the body and
we move it to the spirit system, what happens is

(48:54):
you don't forget it. You know, again, we don't pays
love and lighted. That's not who im, That's not what
I'm about. You know, we don't do any of those things.
We are simply allowing energy to flow. That's it. A
side effect though, of removing it from the body to
the spirit system. A nice side effect is that most

(49:15):
people who experience especially major traumas, have visceral reactions to
memories the body lock up, you know, so they stuff
it down, they push it down a lot because they
don't want to experience that discomfort. When we move it
to the spirit system, you have a less visceral reaction
to those memories. Again, not because you changed your mind

(49:38):
about it or feel differently about it, but literally because
we moved it up. So all of those things are
part of the process. Because I don't leave you dirty.
We got to get you clean, right. So, once we've
established what we're doing, I walk people through what this
is going to feel like. And the bigger an EmPATH
you are, the more you feel, the more you feel right.

(50:02):
So that could be rushes of the spine, hot and
cold in places, pain pressure in places, tingling sensations throughout
the body lock ups. In the extremity, you could have
emotions come up, Coughing, sneezing come up, involuntary movements come up.
Obviously some nausea if that's where we are. All of

(50:23):
those things are very normal. So it's hard to explain
what you will experience during the process of that. Even
people who have gone through the process have a very
difficult time saying this is how I felt. But it
is very different than anything else because what we're doing.

(50:45):
What I'm doing now is I'm asking the high beings
who I call in to essentially send their energy into
the body to push that negative energy up so that
I can grab it and take it out. So we
do that in three rounds. There's a lot of certain
burns and things that I do to raise vibration and

(51:07):
frequency in the space and to also help cast things out,
and mostly it's with my hands and the energy, and
that's what it is. And so they can last. I mean,
a normal one cut and dry stuff can last anywhere
from as little as thirty minutes, twenty to thirty minutes
if there's no attachment to an hour and a half

(51:29):
unless it's something major.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
And that energy, well it's still in the body.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Is it just generally in the body, or can it
be held in specific places like you know.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Hard or head or you're talking about the trauma. Yeah,
it's usually blocking certain areas. Yeah, so people who like
hold it there are like very high to severe impaths
tend to hold their trauma in the back of their
neck and shoulders. Other people like hold it in the core.
Tend to hold in the core lower back area. But
some people hold it in joints. Some people hold it

(52:00):
in different places. Like I've had a lot of people,
you know, like trigger warning hair. I've had a lot
of people who have tried to commit suicide before. And
maybe I don't know that when I start working on them,
but I know that when I'm working on them, because
I know where they're holding the trauma.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Now, Rachel, are demons able to affix themselves to you.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
I don't believe.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
So.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I back in the time when I started doing this,
I would wear only protective jewelry and I would wake
up in the night and have it all off. So
now I have yeah, like no secret there. So now
I have tattoos, I have all kinds of things. But
also I keep myself in a pretty high frequency place.
So there's really no way they can because when we
work on ourselves and we stay high frequency. And again

(52:42):
that doesn't mean you don't have bad days, or you
don't have negative thoughts, or you don't have like that's bs.
Whoever says that, because you know, Internet gurus tell you
that shit all the time, that's not true, that it's
not life. Just generally speaking, trying to you know, when
something happens, you pull yourself out, you can get back
on track. All of that stuff. You are high frequency,
there's nothing to feed on. So you know, if there's

(53:06):
nothing to feed on, there's no reason to be there. Visitations, Yes,
trying to understand what I do. Yes, trying to understand
why I see it. Yes, they do that shit to
me all the time. But also a side note is
if you are a severe EmPATH, like the empatheist of empaths,
sometimes you get a universal break from entity attachment to

(53:26):
because you're too let's see how to put this, Your
your mood is not stable enough, so like you get
real high highs and real lowly.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
You want to deal with all that drama they're that
is so true.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
They do not want your drama. They just want to
like easy feed. They don't want to deal with that ship.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
Yeah, yeah, so when I got to to vibrate you
because I believe in all of this, and and I'm
I think I'm a bit of a sensitive I I
know when I'm vibrating higher at other at than others.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Yes, and.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
I know when it's when it's really feels really high.
I have this tendency to want to numb it right,
whether it's.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Okay, that's take the worst thing that you could do right, right.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
But it's just this sort of I can't explain it,
like I can't really articulate it.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
I'm going to tell you that I don't think that's
what you mean. I think what you're saying is when
you get sensitive to energies and energies are trying to
come in, or you're like your mediumship is up or
your psychic ability is up. You don't feel comfortable with that, yes, yes, yes, yeah,
But I will say that if you have mediumship capabilities,
which you do, and you don't integrate them, it's a

(54:44):
lot worse than if you do. Because people who have
mediumship abilities who don't integrate, who are like, I'm going
to close it all down. I don't want this shit.
I hate this the only thing that comes through are
the most traumatized because they're pushy and aggressive, and it
doesn't even mean they're trying to be scary. But oftentimes
new mediums, like baby mediums, when they're just starting out,

(55:06):
will be like, holy shit, that's really scary. Yeah, they're
not trying to be scary, but they are traumatized, and
they sense that you can talk to them or help
them or just even listen to them. It's not even
about help most of the time. But like when you
integrate your mediumship, you also get the non traumatized and
the non pushies. So like all the ones that might

(55:28):
be like respecting your free will and are cool and
just waiting in the wings to talk to you, that's
something you do want, you know. So when people are like,
I have mediumship, but I hate it because every time
I whatever, something terrible happens and the scary thing happens,
I'm like, that is exactly why you need to do it.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
I love in your book. And this is what I
tell people is if they don't believe in what you see,
if they don't believe in what you do you say,
it doesn't matter. I'm still gonna do my job. Like
I still do what I need to do. You don't
care if people don't in what you're saying, but.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
I think that makes it scarier for people.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
But if you strip away all of our assumptions of
exorcism and demons, what you're really talking about is creating
an environment of good energy. Yes, And so when you're
talking about positive manifestation, surrounding yourself with positive people, trying
to be a positive outlook, taking time to meditate, whether
you believe in everything else or not, what's the harm

(56:25):
in that?

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Nothing? Right, it's nothing. Don't be an asshole. You don't
want mtaty attachment, Don't be an asshole. It's really very simple.
People think that's like ridiculous, but that's the truth. The
lower your frequency, the easier it is for entity to attach.
And so why would you do that? Even again, you
don't have to believe me. I'm not a religion. I'm

(56:46):
not trying to convert people. I have another book that
is going to come out with those unpublished case files,
and I'm going to tell you something people are not
going to want to believe in. They're going to want
to say that never happen. One hundred thousand times over
and they will make all the youtubes about that. They will,
I promise you, because it really creates cognitive dissonance in
the way that they see the world. If they believe

(57:08):
that this is true, then they also have to look
at their own way of living and their behaviors. And
people don't like change and they don't like doing that.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Well, like you said, if you point out that, hey,
you might love your religion, but that's not the only
way to go, and your religion is probably working with
this religion. I mean that just challenges us on such norms.
And look, look what we're dealing with politically and socially
right now. Like we're so affixed to our labels and
our boxes. We can't conceive that there's some fluidity there, right,
But there is in our last little chunk of time here.
I want to talk about you personally, Oh goodness, all right,

(57:38):
having visibility, having connection. You know you're not a psychic
or a medium, but you have a very strong connection
and communicate with the afterlife. Yes, how has this shaped
your personal relationship? We know that you have a close
relationship with spirit. Sure, which is I guess for like
the common man, that would be like a god figure

(57:59):
or an energy. Yeah, everything under the sun. But how
has this shaped your spirituality in terms of your thoughts
of life after death, in terms of your thoughts of
a heaven or a hell or any type you're working
with these entities, is there anyone that you're like, yeah,
that's for me.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Well, as far as after life goes, there's definitely after life.
The energy does exist beyond. And there are just too
many instances where that's been proven to me. I mean
there are times when deceased. I think I might have
just told you this in passing before. But I had
a birthday party this year where we rented out a

(58:38):
bar in Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
And I wasn't invited.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
This was in March.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
You should have known, girl.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
So I invited a bunch of my friends because I
was like, you know what, Okay, I'm just gonna have
a party, you know. And I did some what we
call platforming there, you know, where you see who's around
diseased wise and send you know, present message to people.
And I had this one situation there where I was like,

(59:05):
very adamant that the person that was coming in wasn't
I can't remember now. So I'm just gonna say this
a younger brother. I think it was a younger brother,
and nobody was like I have a younger brother in
the past, and everyone I had like a couple people
who were like I had an older brother who passed,
and I was like, no, this is not them, this

(59:27):
is not them, like, definitely not them, because this person
was like, it's not and I was like, come on,
I like somebody, and so, you know, being in a
bar in Hollywood, I was like, I did warn people
like we could get passerbys, you know, like people muchtory.
I know, like it could be not for anybody. So
I was about to let it go, and then someone

(59:48):
spoke up and it was actually for the bartender, and
it was this entire message for the bartender. And I
had just met that day, so there's no way that
that could just happen. It just doesn't happen. And these
were very specific messages, so you know, definitely there is
an afterlife. I think heaven and hell. I can't say

(01:00:09):
I feel like those are more constructs for people. When
you pass and you don't like, let's say you pass
and you've just never apologized for things, never taken responsibility
for things, and you've been kind of a shit. I
know your passing is not easy. I will say that

(01:00:29):
because whether you take responsibility in life or death, you
will be taking it. So all the people who leave
this plane who have hurt people in major ways, you know,
like are narcissists? Are you know parents who did this
or or whatever whatever? When they pass, they are assigned
a team of people who are like, we don't we

(01:00:52):
don't pass go until we look at all of these things.
So that can be very scary. And I think what
people would think as hell, you know, it's it's not pleasant.
Doesn't look pleasant to me. I've unfortunately been privy to
a couple of those, and it doesn't look pleasant to me,
which is why again, you know, if you're being an asshole,
you really should do something about it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
It's a hell of your own making.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Yes, for sure it is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Now why does spirit allow possession? Why does spirit allow
possession in children and the elderly that are not able
to kind of defend from themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
I mean, spirit doesn't really have anything to do with it, unfortunately.
So the way high beings work is they care very
much about free will. So like, for example, I teach
people on my Instagram TikTok to do my thirty day
connection to Spirit. It all free.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
It's all check out every day on Instagram, by the way,
I swear by it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Yeah, it's up there for free, you know. And it
helps raise your vibration. It helps if you think you
have attachment, It helps you release attachment over time. Like
it does a lot of good for you. It opens
up your abilities all kinds of stuff. Five minutes a day,
very easy. Every time I post about it, like I
could yawn about this. Every time I post about it,
somebody in the comments who is like not even a follower,

(01:02:10):
and somebody random who found it is like, well, this
is opening you up to bad spirits. And this is
open you knew up to bad things.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
That's the that's that's the assumption. You play with the
Ouiji board, your house gonna be haunted, You're gonna get
a demon.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Well, the Oigi board is just a tool. But but
in this case, because we do ask spirit to come
into the body, we're asking spirit to come into the
body and clan things out. So but but think about this,
like really think about this. Okay, anything that is negative
that is wanting to feed from your energy, that is

(01:02:43):
wanting to take from you, would rather you be very
unconscious of them. It's not as flashy as you think
possession looks all the time. It's not flashy at all
because they don't want you knowing. They want you to
be unconscious of their existence and go along with your.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Business right and keep feeding them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
That's how it works. High beings respect your free will.
Low beings do not. They don't need your permission. They
don't need you asking for them to enter your body.
They don't need any of that. But of course high
beings who want to help you, they wait for you
to ask. They wait for you to be like, oh, okay,
it's time for me to come in. Hell, yeah, I'll

(01:03:23):
come in, you know. But they respect you, so they're
not going to just do that without you asking. The
only times that they might do that for you is
if God forbid you are in an accident of some
kind and it is absolutely not in the record for
it to be your time, they will step in and
help you and you'll know, Like you'll note, there are

(01:03:43):
times when people do show that, like they'll say stories
about like I swear someone pulled me out of the
car yep, or moved me in a different direction, or
I thought I saw something and that's why I'm alive.
They will do that, but that's more scheduling. If you will,
then you know, because.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
You full un answer to quit.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
I could because I was looking at the thirty day
and the cleanse, and I thought the thing that made
me uncomfortable was the idea of inviting something in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
But that you cleared that out, then.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Well you really can't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
But I have to tell you because you give some
advice of certain herbs and certain things to fill in
your house, and me being all excited about this, I went.
I got the blue lotus, I got the Frank concense,
I got the white sage. And the minute I started
doing that, and I started talking to spirit. And I'm
a skeptic, just to be very clear, like I'm I
want to believe, but I probably don't, even though I've

(01:04:35):
experienced a lot. The minute I started doing that, I
had some of the worst luck I've ever had every
single day to the point like even my kitchen exploded.
And then the minute I stopped doing it, everything I
felt like this weight was gone and I felt this
total piece.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
I told you not to try cooking, girl.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
I will never try cooking, like I have shoes in
my refrigerator. But it was so weird because it was
the exact opposite and freaked me out so much that
I haven't even attempted to get back into it at
all because it was so challenging.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
But but here's what you're not taking in. What that
was actually doing was moving everything to the surface to
get it out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
My kitchen exploded.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
But the kitchen was gonna explode, this is the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Well, so what all all.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Those So when you're burning different and different blends for
different things, but that particular blend, we're doing a get
it out blend. That's a get it out blend. So
we're asking the universe energetically when we do that, whatever
negative shit that's going to happen to me, get it out.
So it speeds up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
The timeline got to buckle in. I mean, this is
not like a diet. That's like the first five days
of a diet, trust me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Yeah, it's like you did a clent, like a like
a you know, physical cleanse. Because it's not for the
faint of heart. Like everything that we do. You got
to go in going, okay, this is going to be
a fucking journey. You know, Like even when people come
to me, I give them homework because once we get
you clean, it is up to you to keep that going.
I'm not going to have you come back in in

(01:06:04):
a month and say, oops, look what happened to me
because you went back and did all the same shit.
And I've had clients, not a lot, thank god, but
I've had clients in the past where they're like, you know,
they kind of want to be like told you sos.
They like they want to think that their shit is
bigger than anybody's and so they'd rather be right about

(01:06:24):
that than be clean or healthy. So they'll come and
do an exorcism. They'll leave, go out and do all
the same shit, never do the homework, never do anything,
and then be like, see, I told you, I told
you this wasn't gonna work. And it's like, well, of
course it didn't work.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
And you have clear steps for the like the three
days after you need to be as pure as you can,
no alcohol, certain types of food, and yeah, I mean
if I have to do your homework.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
A different person to person too, Like some people don't
even need that. Some people are like, I'll just go
about my business and they're fine, but it's like, what
we really need to do is make sure that you
are keeping yourself clean. Because even if we take everything
out of you, if you go back into the world
and you decide you're just gonna go do the same
shit over and over again, that's how you attracted things

(01:07:07):
in the first place. Why don't you want to change that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
It's like spiritual rehab. If you don't do the steps
when you're out of rehab, you're just gonna kinda go back.
I want to go back to you personally again, do
you cause you talk about this, You had an amazing
article come out in Nylon, your article with Metrosource Magazines
coming out next week. You know, we know that there's
projects like screen projects, a second book. You're constantly asked
about this. Do you ever feel overshadowed as the Exorcist?

(01:07:34):
Overshadowed by that role over then? Rachel S Davis the person.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Oh that's tough. You know, I think at this point
I don't really know where one ends and one begins.
I think, you know, in the beginning, it was weird
because you know, I was also still a writer and
trying to do that work and trying to kind of
be under the radar for Fantom tomb Raider by the way, Yeah, yeah,

(01:08:00):
thank you, Rachel. Yeah, but yeah, like you know, I
feel like I was trying to distinguish myself, you know,
in two different ways, and to be fair with you,
that didn't work for me. I think that was still
me trying not to be fully integrated. I mean really,
I was still very much, I think, under the radar

(01:08:21):
until basically this year, Like this year is when being
started to explode for me a bit, and now they're
just it just keeps going and more more people are
knowing because I was very content not to I was
very content to just be like in my little spirit
room doing my thing and working on four people a month.
And now we have like forty six hundred people on

(01:08:42):
a wait list, so it's not the same at all.
And I think back then I was very much in
you know, like you said, kind of being labeled like
this is one side of me, this is another side
of me. But the reality is that that's not true.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
But are you able to put like sweats on and
all the time and like go to the bar and
have a crazy drunk night.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
I mean yes, no, nothing's going to stop me from
doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Because you're like one of the coolest women I've ever met,
and I'm just I want to hang out with her.
I want to go to the abbey with her, like
I want to know, I want to long we're gonna
take you, but then I mean you and it's a
little intimidated. I'm just being honest with you because you
have this energy, you have this story, and it's hard
not to separate that from Rachel's still a person too, like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
That that is hard for people. I think it's harder
for other people than it is me. And I do
realize I do. I when I walk into a room,
I have a presence with me that's very clear, Like
a lot of people are are have told me that,
like because I walk in with a lot of high
beings and so that's like it's like that cool.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Chick that walked in high school, like you know, with
the music playing and it's like slow, like that's what
I got there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
And I'll take it, like, you know, that wasn't my
high school experience, so I'll take that now. But yeah, no,
but I feel like there's truth to that, but there's
also I am still a person, like I'm still having
a human life right now, and so definitely I'm in
sweats and definitely I'm going out to the bar, and
definitely I'm also like watching my TV and watching the

(01:10:09):
stories and just like, you know, having a little whatever
at the end of the day. But yeah, no, I
I don't know what it's like from the other side,
so I can only speak from me, and I feel
like I am just a person. I know, like I
have a lot of friends who have had it for
a very long time that are still kind of like
every now and again, they're like, but you're buffy though,

(01:10:31):
you know, And I'm like, I guess, but I don't
really feel like I don't think about that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
But if it is, the questions is it easy to
make friends and to talk a little bit more personally
as well? Congratulations you got married this last year. You
kind of came out of it out of a different closet,
I wrote, Tony, do we have some some of the
wedding pics fairytale wedding in a certain genre. By the way,
you got married in Vegas, right, you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Got married in a ghost town in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Yeah, but you you met your wife and this is
the first year of being.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Married, Yes, for two months.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
What is the dating period like, because I can't imagine
dating an exorcist. Are you like, oh, honey, you have
something here and they're like, oh, it's a spaghetti sauce
and it's a demon.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Yes. Honestly, first of all, I started making this is
so oh my god, this is what alcohol does.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Another step, I when I got divorced last time, I
was like, I'm not even going to date anyone who
hasn't come to see me as a client, Like, I'm
just not even going to do it, because I was like,
I just don't want to date anyone who's got stuff
and then I have to pretend they don't have stuff
and then like act like normal. I just don't want
to deal with that. I'm not going to deal with that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
So I did your first Your first exorcism was actually
on an X right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Yes, yeah, yeah, So it's like that's become kind of
a staple for me now. But dating was terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Oh my god, look how gorgeous. I'm sorry, that is
just gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Thank you, yeah, gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
It was it was a good it was a good time.
It was good time we had and it was very small.
We only had like twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
People, so she was a past client.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Yes. And the weird thing is so we were all
mutual friends as well, so we kind of met through
mutual friends, and all of my mutual friends I think
have been clients weirdly enough, but uh yeah, so we
we had met and she had been a client of
mine like two years before we actually like met again,

(01:12:28):
and I didn't remember it at all, and neither did she.
Like I remembered that she came and so did she,
but we don't remember the cleansing at all.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Oh weird?

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Is it hard for her to deal with your life
is kind of given to other people.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Yes, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
There's weird things that happen at the house at the time.
Is it hard? I mean, and I know it's the
first year, so you're still feeling things out, but we've
been together a while, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
I think you know it's weird. What's weird is having
the conversation. So like first dating people, that's the conversation.
So it's not private information that that's this is what
I do, and certainly not among friends. I mean, they
definitely know what I did. You know, even then, so
the conversation becomes like listen, it's that, it's what you

(01:13:21):
were saying. It's like there's an expectation of me to
be something, but in my off time, I'm not going
to be that. So I don't want to be with
people who are constantly asking me to do work on them,
or constantly you know about this and only this, or
expecting me to be on a pedestal for something that's

(01:13:42):
never going to happen. And I'm also kind of a
bossy bitch. I'm going to be honest like I am,
because like I don't have time for bullshit, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
I really really don't have the time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
I don't. And so when I started dating again after
having like exes where I was just like Jesus Christ,
you know, I was like, I'm never going to put
myself through that process again, Like I can't be somebody's
constant caretaker emotionally and energetically anymore. I have to start
putting that back into the well. And so I think
when I met my partner now, I was even, I

(01:14:12):
would dare say, in a much more selfish place because
I had walls up. I think because I was like,
I need you to be okay with not that part
of me. And I also need you to be okay
with the fact that I have energetic fallout a lot
from working on so many people and those days I
might not be able to move and so I might
need caretaking. And if that's not okay with you, then

(01:14:35):
this doesn't continue, you know. But honestly, she's great, Like
she is unphased, unphased by what I do, unphased by
weird stuff that happens, like it's so natural and normal now,
and like even unphased when I'm like, literally I'm ordering
all the food, I can't move, like I'm just not
doing anything. I'm literally just watching horror movies all day

(01:14:57):
on this cat.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Get enough.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Honestly, it helps me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Process dealership shows you get out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
That's funny though, and it kind of feeds into like
the Ghostbuster villain, you know, the stay puffed marshmallow man.
Like some of the funny things can be the most horrific.
It's how it affects you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
It's but it's also the feeling, because you know, I
teach people often, especially when they're opening up, like like
high empaths for example, and severe empaths, they get you know,
flustered in crowds, or they get anxious, or they get
overwhelmed very easily, and it's because of other people's energies.
So they'll be like, well, I don't know how to

(01:15:36):
tell what's my energy or what's somebody else's energy. So
we go through the process of teaching them how to
tell what their energy is and versus somebody else's. And
even then, what will happen is when when an empath's
body is hit by enter strong energy from someone else.
They've had a day whatever that day is good, bad, ugly,
it doesn't matter. People send out what I call like

(01:15:57):
little fireballs of energy and it'll hit in empath's body
and when it hits the mpast body, they'll lock up
because an mpast body doesn't know what to do with that,
but they feel it. They feel it, so they're like,
what the hell is this? And often we'll go into
anxiety spirals or panic attacks because of it. Right, So,
you know, when we talk about other people's energies, it's

(01:16:17):
like we have to feel underneath, because once they start going, okay,
that's not my energy. Cool, I'm definitely not going to
spiral now. I have to feel like, is this a
good energy that they like, did they have a good
day or did they have a bad day? Because it's
not about how my body's reacting. That's just sending the
signal that there's energy. I have to go. Oh, let

(01:16:37):
me check in with spirit and see what that is.
You know, same with entities or even disease people for
that matter. They can present a certain way, but it's
all about the energy. How does it feel? That's the
most important part.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
That was fresh true, Rachel. We've talked about the work
that you've done with ten thousand cases. We know how
busy you are. You can't possibly heal everybody even if
you worked every hour twenty four to seven. There's no
There's just no way. So why do you think you
were chosen to have this power? And knowing that you

(01:17:13):
can't help everybody in the nation, what kind of legacy
do you want to build from here on out?

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
I don't know exactly why I was chosen for this,
but I feel like I've done it many lifetimes, so
I just think it's something I always do, you know,
And I think there's an interesting dynamic to it that
people don't think about when they think about priests. Let's
say right, because this is a totally different thing. But
I think there's an element of this work that needs

(01:17:40):
to be maternal. And I think like I'm very empathic
that way, Like I weirdly i have no children, but
I'm very maternal. And I think I have no children
for a reason because I've been everybody's mom, you know.
So I think there's a lot of that to it,
because I think real healing there has to be some

(01:18:00):
kind of empathic energy that goes. But they can't just
be like throwing the Holy water, and you know, like
you have to be holding space. You have to be
holding space for someone to make it safe for them
to release things, right, because that's what it's about, making
it safe enough for someone to say, I'm ready to
let go of this thing. So that's why I think,
you know, I'm doing it. And as far as helping everyone,

(01:18:23):
lord knows, I cannot. But I think that's why I've
been put in the path of a lot of amazing
executives and my manager and like a lot of good people.
I know, this sounds really weird because it's Hollywood, and
that's not what you expect to hear. Because there's also
a lot of terrible people, but like my manager Kayley
marsh is amazing and she is so helpful and like

(01:18:45):
her goal when she met me, because we met as friends,
was like, actually, wait, these things are really helpful to people,
Like more people should hear about this. We should be
like looking at those journals and looking at that information
and sharing it with people and executives that I've met
that I'm now working with. They really feel the same way,
like They're like, I feel like people need to hear

(01:19:06):
about this kind of trauma healing. I feel like we
need to show this in you know, a scripted way,
you know, someone going through this process or someone how
dealing with something. How do we show that to people
in a way that's palatable but also gets that message across.
Because I never wanted to make things in which the
message was lost, and so I've always kind of this

(01:19:27):
is why it's taken me so long, because I've I've
really stuck to my guns about like everything has to
be authentic in terms of it, doesn't you know, not
necessarily this has to be a real story, but it
has to be authentically shown how people are dealing with
these things in the world, you know, because we are.
We're dealing with these things in the world, and there
are sometimes things that nobody wants to show on screen

(01:19:49):
that people are dealing with. But that's the reality of life.
And so I've been very fortunate to meet people who
are very like minded at this time, who we're moving
forward with in all of these ways that are like, actually, yeah,
let's show this, let's let's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Do it one hundred percent. We know that there's been
an influx of ghost hunting shows for the past decade.
We know there's a lot of medium shows out there,
and I think it's very flashy and sometimes it can
get very emotional. But to your point, sometimes it's I
can tell the edits are just flashy for an audience
and it doesn't come from a real place, because coming
from a real place can take time. Yes, and it's

(01:20:24):
not always you know, oh my god, you know this
mirror flew off the wall. It's not always that. It's
dealing with our internal vibrations. Something you wrote in the book,
which I instituted in my life, and it's changed. It's
like who you surround yourself. So it's like, yes, we
can raise our higher vibrations, but if we're constantly around
people that are draining us or they're not to a
certain level. It can bring us down.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Yes, very much.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
So I've had a hard look at people in my
own life and I've made some adjustments, and I have
to tell you it's like a weight has.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Been definitely, absolutely And we do this a lot, especially
if you're an empathic person, which you are. Like empathic
people want help and they want to be of service
to others, so they'll oftentimes have people around them that
are of a low frequency or low vibration that are
looking for help.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
You want to be the saviors, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
But to your own detriment, right, So you'll be around
people that are like narcissists, for example, love empaths because
they love to take and mpaths love to give until
they can't and then bled out right. But it's terrible
for an empathic person to be in a situation like
that because they'll never get that reciprocated, and that is
something empaths want, right, They do eventually want that reciprocated

(01:21:34):
or seen right scene, they want to be seen in
that way. And so if you look at it, like
if you are you, and let's say your baseline frequency
is like a six. Why the fuck are you going
out with people who are fours where you have to
lower your own vibration just to be around them because

(01:21:54):
they're not rising to your occasion. Instead, we want to
be around people who will rise to your occasion. We
expect people to rise to your occasion. I expect people
to rise to my occasion.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
I think this happens a lot in the queer community
because we come from not being accepted, not having that fellowship,
and so we tend to find fellowship in the nightlife,
in vodka, whatever, and we realize these people are not
here for the full journey. They're here for the good time, right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
It's very superficial.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Yes, yes, I mean that's sweet.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
How you know? Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
I mean my relationship with with being behind a bar,
you know, first and foremost my careers. You know, I'm
an actor, but you know, I have to pay my bills,
and my relationship with bartending has.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
Has changed a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
Over over the years because it is this oh, this
drawing of my energy and having to you know, maintain
my vibration all the time, and it just it becomes
very very exhausting, and it makes me a little resentful.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Of people who are coming to give me money, and
I get it, but I'm like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Don't need your problems. I don't need your making a
mass at my bar.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
I thought myself wanting to hide a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
I know it's very hard. So there's some shielding exercises
that you could be doing that would be helpful to you,
Like how empaths kind of push that energy out because empaths,
like I say, like, we love to take people's energy in,
so we're picking it up like sponges.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
You know what if you're a narcissist and an EmPATH
at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
So that's sad times.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
I do have a personal question. Okay, I have suffered
from horrible, horrible insomnia. And when I say horrible insomnia,
it's no joke. It's not like, oh I have a
few restless nights. I'm talking about if I get four
hours a night. It happened. Ever since my mom's passing,
almost over a year ago. Okay, they have tried me
on every medication, melatonin, CBD, any thing that you can imagine.

(01:23:43):
I have tried. Nothing has worked. Could that be a
presence of like a demon or some kind of entity
that's preventing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Yes, and also you talk a lot about night terrorists
and sleep analysis, so yeah, I mean I think a
cleansing would be helpful for sure. For sure, for sure,
and and the thirty day connection.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
All right, because it's weird that medication has no effect.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
I mean, it's worth pursuing. Yeah, you know, That's That's
what I like to say about all of this, right,
it's not this is not My work is not exclusionary
to you know, physical health, mental health, none of that stuff.
It's holistic. This is all holistic, so it works together.
It's not separate, you know, like we need to make
sure all of us is working, you know. And it's

(01:24:30):
spiritual wellness. I mean that's how Nylon put it, you know,
it's spiritual wellness, and I do think that's really what
it is. It's a wellness, just like everything else this
has been.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
I can't believe we went so far over. I'm just like, wait,
what God? Yeah, and we got so many other questions.
I mean, I guess we're gonna have to do it
like a part two. But it is so fascinating. And again,
what I have to reiterate to our listeners at the
end of everything, you just talk about living a positive life. Yes,
and there's no harm in doing that. In instituting certain things,

(01:25:00):
whether you believe in religion, whether you believe in demons,
whether you believe in whatever, it just helps.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
It just helps. Why why not? Why not try it
and see for yourself?

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Yeah, do you have any final question?

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
I know, but I'm going to take a lot home
with me from this and it's been an absolute pleasure.
And I'm still there's so much in here, like spinning
and stewing that I'm going to go home and maybe
light up a little and just take a breath and
think and thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
It's been a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Of course, I'm gonna encourage everybody to get Sister of Darkness.
I wrote it on Amazon and they sent it the
very next day, and then I read it that same day.
I read it within three hours. It was captivating, and
again it just teaches how to live a positive and
it's a fascinating I can't wait for the other book
to come out, hopefully hopefully soon. Yeah, Rachel, where do

(01:25:51):
you want people to find and follow you?

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
I'm at Instagram, rh Stavis, just my name and TikTok.
I don't know what I'm doing there, but I try.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Also read her article that just came out with Nylon Magazine.
Also next week her interview with me actually with metro
Source magazine comes out and that's an in depth chat.
So you can get that nationwide on stance or at
metrosource dot com. Uh, Michael, where can people find and
follow you?

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
At my house Michael Vega Michael Vega actor on Instagram
Michael Vega.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
That's it pretty perfect? Yeah, just google it all right,
I'm kidding And.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Happy Halloween season. You've talked that this season like literally
the veil is thin. Yes, so it's not just a
made up like in Snooky Season. It's for real.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
It's for real, and you can I'm gonna be posting
things on Instagram like all month long about how to
communicate with the seasloved ones.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Yeah, now's the time, Now's the time. That's that's all, folks.
It's always a grab bag of fun here at on
the Rocks. A big thank you to our engineer and
station owner, Tony Sweet. You don't need a whistle for yourself?
Did a whistle for himself? Whatever? Taylor Armstrong from Real
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who's a writer and producer of all things Forror, including
the Boulet Brothers. Dragula is coming on to celebrate Halloween season.

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