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By the way, this may be the gayest episode we
have done yet as we chat with popular YouTuber and
actor with millions of fans. Brandon Rodgers is here. You
know his characters. You may know him from Hell of
a Boss and has been Hotel with model Stephen Taylor.
Here to give us the latest and pop culture, and
our guest co hosts Today PR and Nightlife, Maven, Andy
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Rodgers enthusiast and a pr professional with a sharp wit
and endless energy. After nearly a decade in LA, he's
immersed himself in queer celebrity culture, nightlife, and the cities
media scene. With a background in pr a love for fashion,
and a knack for spotting trends, he brings fresh insights,
quick humor, and plenty of personality to the mic. Please
welcome Andy.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Oh thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
It sounds like me, hello, hello, hello. He is very
different to be on this side, right, Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Now, I know a decade in La, how have you
seen kind of the nightlife and queer culture change the most?

Speaker 4 (02:22):
You see club cultures obviously dying, right, But that doesn't
mean that the crews are going to stop partying. So
I think it's true. I think it's true. I think
it's always a good time in La. There's always something happening.
The underground culture is always popping, but.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
They're not spending the money, which is affecting the nightlife one.
So the bars are raising the prices to get what
money they can, and then regular people can't afford.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
The drinks absolutely, and the younger people don't drink anymore,
like stopping lame, that's mine, yes, but the alcoholics, the alcoholics,
that's queer as are alcoholics?

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Shout out to Lime. No it's not anymore. Okay, you
don't assume me.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
My thing is, if you want to make it in
this sound, honey, if you want to have fun, like
you really gotta like go out and have your fun,
and you know that might entail drinking or doing something.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
It's funny because more and more, over the last I
would say, Tony, maybe two or three years, we've had
more and more dry episodes and the show's called on
the Rocks. The culture is really really changing.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Absolutely, the mocktails are real, honey, but I'm not about them.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
How did you break in?

Speaker 1 (03:22):
So to speak?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Because we know LA can be a little hard to
crack the code, and you certainly.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Have absolutely, well, thank you. It comes a lot coming
from you.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Crack is wet.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
I love you know, I love cracking codes. I I
don't know, I just so happened to. Like I love
artists obviously, that comes from within, and that's why I
work in PR because I love I love supporting artists, right,
and so many of my fellow careers just happened to
be artists. And like when I first meet them, that
doesn't mean that like they're already the biggest star. But
like I think I have a good eye for talent,

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you know what I mean? And then I just so
happened to, you know, be best friends with miss Jola,
miss iconic girl like that I want to bring here
as well, and like I met her before fame. I
you know, I dated a couple of drag queens here
and there, Like, wait, you dated drag queens?

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I have which ones?

Speaker 4 (04:11):
It is a dragway screen. But she is retired and
you know retired. Yes, let's the fast.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, so that's not and you know it's quite real fast.
Yeah that being.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Said, you know, like LA is tough, but I think
you know, it takes a certain jonas oquaw obviously, and.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
It takes a sincerity.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
You know, LA is always built as this like fake
community and fake town when you find your tribe, and
the ones who are successful are real people because insincere
people come and go all the time and people don't
really like them, which we could name names, right, Stephen.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
We've had them on the.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Show, the ones that like they act how they think
they're supposed to act instead of just being.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Like but that's what it's just like you said, they
don't last because like it's about creating meaningful relationships and
I never go into relationships or friendships thinking about like
the outcome of where it's gonna get me? Who am
I gonna get to know? It's just more so about
me believing in someone's vision and seeing that they're real,
you know what I mean? Like that's where like that's
why people say that a lot of people now are tough.
But I feel like they're just so used to people

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coming and going and they just really want to have
meaningful relationships.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
One hundred percent, hundred percent all right? Also joining our
show today. Returning to the show made his big return.
Stephen Taylor is a print and runway model who's been
featured in tons of magazines, covers, and fashion shows. On screen,
He's been seeing in Will and Gray's Drag Race and more.
He's also a consummate musician. Check out his piano playing
skills on YouTube. Last year, he took to the stage
with Foss Events for a series of their cabaret shows,

(05:36):
dancing and playing the piano in a sensual feast. His
fans have come to love cabaareight is burlesque more bless?

Speaker 3 (05:44):
I like to do.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Eliza No, but it was I saw a lot of
Stephen down. I'm like, oh he love frentd Oh my
eye and later tonight he will fill us in on
what is happening in the pop culture world. Please welcome back,
Stephen Taylor. Yeah, now you are also in the nightlife
and you're kind of on a different side of it
as well as a dancer as a night life personality.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
I mean, been dancing in West Hollywood for for a while.
So I've seen the facelift that it's getting very expensive,
facelift look.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Worse and costing more and more.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Well, that's seriously how facelifts work. We've got lesser people.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah, but I see, like you know, there is an
effort there that I hopefully you can get people turned
around and coming back.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
You know, now, do you enjoy night life the way
that you used to? I Mean we all say, oh,
those were the days, but every generation has said those
were the days.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Hey guess.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
I mean, I mean we all sort of look in
the past with the sort of nostalgia like rose colored
glasses and stuff. But there really was a time like
the twenty tens that were where where things were just
really really.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
You know, a lot, there was a lot more going on.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
Yeah, you know, you had you still had, you know,
back even back in two thousands. Even before that, you'd
have you know, pop girlies that would do real bar crawls.
You know, Brittany did her bar crawl in New York City,
and you had your Lady Gaga dupe O Cls in
West Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Remember when she's sang in trunks with a guitar.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
Yeah, she she performed it here Alune a few times back,
and that was there, you know. And then you had
you know, Sierra Kelly Rowl, and you had all these
you know, girl girls singing at you know, hype and
stuff like that. And I think that with the TikTok generation,
they just sort of kind of lost that part of
it being out in the communities that support them.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
And it's funny the and there is no disrespect to
any divas that we grew up with or you know,
but they're coming back to West Hollywood to reclaim their audience.
Katie Perry came back Paris Hilton. They were all in
West Hollywood catch up. Not that they're on the decline
or anything, but they kind of lost that kind of Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
I think, well, I think the culture has changed a
little bit, and like, you know, even club culture in
the sense, you know, you don't have real promoters that
we used to have or like it was like big
you had names that you knew, like they put on
an event here, they put an event there, they put
on an event here, and so like they and you'd
see it. They're very present like online and so. But
we're also being attacked online.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
You know.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
You have had a lot of LGBT profiles in nightlife
that have been removed from social media due to just
them being too you know, So there is like that
aspect to it as well. We are being like actively
removed in our presence.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well, and we're also canceled culturing, cancel culturing each other. Yes, yeah,
you know you people say that he let him careful now, yeah,
you know there's always been you know, CD people inside
of our own community, like you said, there have people
are just trying to get from when you know, how
could this person help me versus you know, being and
how fast can they tear him down if if I don't, if.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
I don't if they say no to my podcast or something,
and yeah, yeah, I've tried.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Okay, all right, let's break on the man of the
Hour Hour Brandon Rogers. He's a content creator, comedian, in
personality with a fan base it was over eleven million
across its platforms. He's best known for the cavalcade of
characters on his YouTube channel. He was named an inaugurial
New Face Creator at the prestigious Just for Last festival
in Montreal, and the following year he took home a
Streamy Award for Best Comedy Channel, and in twenty nineteen,

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he co hosted the ninth Annual Streaming Awards, where he
had several nominations and ultimately won Best Scripted to for
his web series Blame.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
The Hero, Oh Shit, Oh Yes.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
He's widely known for his work as a writer and
a voice actor for the popular animated series Hell of
Hell of a Boss, which has amassed such a loyal
fan base, with episodes averaging over thirty million views. And
that's on an episode. I mean, that's insane. He's also
a voice actor on a Hasban Hotel now streaming on Amazon.
And catch him at a convention as a sitting near

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you this year because he is everywhere. Please welcome Brandon Rogers.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
You no, I gotta tell you, thank you, thank you, yes,
thank you? Yeh. Now that's crazy and everything I know
about myself so for the next forty five minutes or so,
we're gonna learn about me together. Oh I'm ready, I'm ready.
I'm ready for questions. Now.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
It's funny because when I've watched your other interviews and
it's kind of you know, do a character, do a character,
you know, So we're gonna start a little bit before
the characters.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Are thank you. Yes. Fuck all those other interviews. Oh
I hated them. I climbed through so many interviewers just
to get to you, just to get to this show.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Oh, he's such a kidder. I have a trinkup. You
hail from Livermore, California. Are you the more popular thing
about that city?

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I think?

Speaker 3 (10:15):
So.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
We have a nuclear laboratory there they test nukes and
ship and when nine to eleven happened, everyone was so scared,
and I remember thinking going and getting bombed, getting your
city like they're afraid that. The thing was like, that's
gotta be a good way to go, your ground zero,
the last way you would want to go. Well, I
lived right next to the lab, so if they were
going to bomb that fucker, I was instantly vaporized. But
I'm still here. You ever had a gun held out

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you pulled on you before. Yeah, but I don't think
it was real. I've had a gun, I had a
real gun. I've been fought shot at right past me before.
I've almost died lots of times just outside of a
little level farm right outside of Livermore.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
So, let me guess they're not hiring you to do
like their tourism stuff.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
No one's hiring me to do shit. Holly was it's
it's we're in a dying business. Yeah, well it's so.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
I went to school in San Clementy, which is about
fifteen minutes from Santa Nofre. That was the nuclear thing there,
and in school, this is how, this is how old
I am. They would teach us to stop drop and
you know, and cover.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Under your Yeah, that'll save you.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, I mean we know that Harrison Ford lived in Indiana.
Jones and Thegrigerator. Yeah I remember that.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
But like that's going to protect you from nuclear you know,
I've seen, but I've seen. Fallout in life after isn't
so bad either. You get a few extra thumbs and
a bigger cock. Maybe you get a smaller one. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Radio very serious, but you come from a very multicultural household.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Look at me, I'm every race.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
You have, Scottish, Portuguese, yes, Filipino?

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Which one? Did I forget Spanish? Then? Yes? Yes, yes, No,
I don't speak shit. I speak a little bit of
French because I lived in France for a little while.
But we don't get into that. What else do I speak?
What else am I fred? Yeah, Nogues, Scotti, Phil you
got philippainter and that? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah. What kind of
household did you grow up in?

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Like?

Speaker 2 (12:05):
What what was a heritage kind of traditions that you
were that you were celebrating and you kind of grew
up in a conservative home, right.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Kind of Well I grew up in a conservative town. Yeah,
really conservative town. My parents were were very liberal though.
They would buy me any toy I want. I remember
going down in the toy aisle and they would they
I would say I want this, and they wouldn't tell me,
oh that's for girls, or that Okay, that's a boy toy.
They would just buy me with it. So I got bullied.
I learned my gender expectations very early from school and
from my grandparents. And oh, in my family, you have

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a brown family and and a white family and and
you get all you learn all kinds of racism very
early at a young age. So my family they're very liberal,
but there was and honestly they were. They were funny,
the two sides of the family. Yes there was racism
on either, but they were loving about it. And it
was a little bit. It was witty. What food were
you eating? What food was I eating? Pond set lumpia,

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but also uh tricks because I was a kid and
I was eating a lot of ho hose. We didn't,
you know, as the nineties, we didn't know health back then,
we followed the fucking food pyramid. Is that still around?
That's not around? If it is, I'm Michelle. Obama kicked
that out of the out of the administration.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
A trapezoids are being taken away, like they're taken away, right,
That's what us many guts. Okay, So I was in
Palm Springs this last weekend, and I'm not kidding you.
People were like buying them by the handful because who
knows what's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Ship, Well, I need to go pick up some because
I'm not doing nothing without a rush.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
You did talk in one interview, you said, and it
was like a scene from from a movie when they
do Your life movie. You know, uh, and you talked
to you walked in the quad and it was you
just felt so kind of alone at that point.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Oh, I don't know what interview you saw that from,
but I remember talking about It's true. I remember I
didn't have There was a specific year in my childhood
where I didn't have any friends and I remember walking
into the quad and seeing everyone at like with each other,
thinking I have no one to go sit with, and
so I joined. I worked for the special ed department.
I would work with mostly because I was the only

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group of kids that wouldn't run away from me and
I was I worked with that. That was for years.
I did not have a lot of friend middle school
or the worst. So when I have fans competent and
said you got me through middle school in high school,
I know what that means because those years suck.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
That was fresh too.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Now let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
You know, we assume content creators, and you know you
go to the conventions and you you've even stayed at
fans houses at times, which.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I've got a lot of weird stuff and I'm surprised
I'm still here.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, but people assume that you know, a popular content
creator is just full of friends and all this, but
it's still kind of a lonely type of life.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Let me tell you something that I've learned very well.
It is a much lonelier life. I know this from
other content creators that I am friends with, but also
from my own person. I think the least loneliest time
of my life was my last year still living in Livermore.
I'm just surrounded. I mean that you're living in the
amalgamation of all the friends you've accumulated over the years,
their families there, you know. And also that's a crowd

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of people who chose to be around you when you
had nothing to offer them. So that's there's a loyalty,
there's there's a love there. You move to LA and
let's face it, we're all here for ourselves. No one's
moving to LA to oh, you know, I'm going to
be an accountant. I'm gonna actually I have an accountant
that lives in LA that moved here to do. Look, well,
most people are here to make a big thing of themselves,
and no one's you know, so there's that sense of

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community where I'm from. People just well, I live in
this town, I work this job, I might as well
hang out and that's what life is about. Yeah, it's
about community, and I think that's one thing that I
do miss, you know, doing what I do now. I
have one free night a week and I try and
you know, go out and have a good time once
a week because I don't have a social life beyond that.
And I think that the higher up you are, the
further you advance in this career, the further you're removed

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from just hanging out in a Tuesday shit kick shitting
with friends. And I'm doing. You know, I used to
go out every night and then I started working, and
then I now I can't. I don't go out at
all anymore. So I miss that.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay, so talk about this because I've been feeling this lately.
Not that I'm under level at all, but when you
have certain obligations going out and you know it's not
always the best thing for the next day or for
your meetings and stuff like that, at what point did
you be like, you know, what, my career is priority,
and this is how I have to change my life.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
I'll tell you when I get there, because I will
stay out till four in the morning and that's only
one night a week. No, no, look at.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Me, but no.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
The thing is, here's the thing when I when I
do cons, I do cons every week, and I go
to a different city, I like to go exhausting to
it is exhausting because I'm not gonna not experience what
that city has to offer. At the end of the day,
I'm gonna go out, I'm gonna drink. I want to
see where the gays like to party in fucking Alabama
and Wisconsin and fucking Flow. I want to go out
and you get back to the next morning, you have

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to be at the con at ten am, and I'll
go there with four hours of sleep. The fans are
expecting you to be you. Oh, they will remember that
moment for the rest of their life, and you have
to get through. It doesn't matter how hung over you are,
doesn't matter how sad or if you're having a bad day,
whatever headspace you're in, you step on the other side
of that curtain and you're you kind of have to
be because they will remember that moment forever. You don't
want to give them a half cocked version of yourself

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that they now take and people they are already expecting
to me, to expecting me to be bombastic and like
my characters. And it's just I always tell them no
one would have a career if they were like that
twenty four to seven. So it's already I'm on pressure
to be kind of entertaining as it is because they
only know that side of me. But yeah, heaven forbid,
I'm not feeling it one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Now, are you a grinder gay where you go to
a different city and like you log on or no?

Speaker 1 (17:35):
No, no, no, no. See here's the thing. Grinder's scary, especially
when you're when.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
But you'll stay with a fan they've never met, but
you won't come quiet.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Okay, I will do that. I didn't say to fuck
the fan. I will say now, well will they fuck me?
Probably not? But uh, I had a breakfast. It's a
bed and breakfast. Yeah, no, it's a yeah, and then
lunch and dinner and then you're never leaving. But yeah,
I try. I have a very good fan base. I
trust most of them. Yeah, they're like, I'm lucky to

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have a fan base who is like me. A lot
of people have fan bases who are not like them.
Heaven forbid you get cast in a show that's not
your type, and then next thing, you know, Oh, I'm
this person who likes to swear all the time, but
now kids like me because I'm fucking ash catch him
or something like this. So, yeah, I work with a
lot of actors who got into the biz and now
have a massive fan fan base, but they're not the
people they would hang out with on a Friday night.

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I'm lucky because my fans are, so I get to
really be myself around them, and I don't really have
much of a mask to take off when I am
myself versus when I'm talking to a fan. There's a
little bit of a difference between this me and the
me that talks to fans, but overall they're pretty none
of It's a departure from who I am. Really Yeah, yeah,
we talked about this the other day.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
It's because like Brandon's the head of everything he makes, right,
this man's like editing ten hours a day, and then
like he's when he's not editing, he's writing, and then
he still finds time to go out and like travel
in the weekends. You know what I mean That being said,
like he's hands on with while he does He's never
like been assigned a role. He creates the roles how
he plays, you know, he creates these worlds that the

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fans love. So that's like the fans become a reflection
of him in a way.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
And it probably is right, Like you know, you say
he does everything on his own. Editing is one of
the most tedious, most boring, most lonely thing. I mean
it can be because you're working on your own tereia,
which is exciting, but then you're writing, which is mostly
a solo process, and even traveling, going to the airport
and then not, you know, not sitting next to somebody.
I mean, I don't know how we are you travel,
if you travel with the team or or whatnot.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
They stick me in first class and I'm not even joking.
Every week and I'm in first class with a ton
of celebrities who are also going to that con. One weekend,
I sat there with the entire cast of Breaking Bad.
This weekend, I sat next to Rain Wilson and and
Sigal the one who plays Leela and Peg from Married
with Chill. He I sat next to her and but.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Are you chatting or you just leaving it a.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Little to both because the more of these cons you
go to, it's like a circus family. You start to
recognize each other. The factless last weekend was the first
time Rain Wilson said, hey, how was your weekend?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Oh he knows me now, Oh you probably don't have been
one of your videos too.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
I need to get him in one of my videos.
But like, the cons are great because I make my
own stuff. So if I meet another actor that I
gel with, like I just I've been working with them,
with some of the cast from what we do in
the Shadows, And I saw.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
You giving a little smoochy smoochy to Harvey.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
He's one of my favorite people. Yeah, And now you
get to know these people in such a personal level
at a con because you're essentially coworkers.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Party, so real and there still so humble.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Such a sweetheart, such a sweetheart. And so when I
you get to a point at a level of casualness
where you just say, hey, you want to be I'm
doing a video in LA you want to do this thing?
When like what's your number? Okay, boom bom bom, it
just becomes such a care free way of collaborating with
other actors. I like, so I like getting to know
them through con life because you're seeing you're not seeing
them as a celebrity. You're seeing how they take their

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coffee in the morning, when time.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
They go to bed at night, and when they're grumpy too, and.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
When they're grumpy. You know, some of these celebrities I
won't name names, but a lot of these people people
think are very friendly or very exciting in real life
and they're actually miserb pieces of ship who sit in
the corner of the green room by themselven, So it's name,
you know. Going back to what I said, being a

(21:12):
celebrity inherently means that you like the more successful you are,
the more estranged from reality you get. There comes a
point where the receptionist that your proctologist office is going
to know who you are, or someone I don't know,
someone in a very intimate setting is going to know
who you. You know every every time you watch porn.
If you're big enough that person you're jacking off to
know who you are, that's weird. Yeah, that's a little weird.

(21:34):
So yeah, I think that some of these people are
are so big that when was the last time they
just went to cvs and sweatpants and farted for a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I don't pick my nose looking at you. Yeah, yeah, okay,
So let's bring this comedy back back to that kind
of lonely childhood. When did it clicked for you? Because
we assume that you've been the class clown and you
were the theater kid, and I.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Think you did a little theater. I did a lot
of Yeah, well I was gay and bullied. So theater
is one of the few places in space it's a
safe space. Or the library, yes, actually, yeah, the library
is where I made the YouTube channel where I still
use today. I made that in my high school library.
But chilled. Yeah, no, what was the question? Was I
a class clown?

Speaker 2 (22:13):
When did that kind of sense? A humored click and
you're like, this is my superpower?

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I think high school. I remember one time this guy
was picking on me in high school. I forget what
I did, but I kind of joined in on him,
making like I kind of what if I yes and
someone who's bullying me? And I got a laugh and
I realized if you learn to laugh at yourself, it
kind of depowers the people making the jokes, especially if
you can make better jokes about yourself.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Do you know who said that exact same thing, Yes,
and and exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
What you just said, Abraham Lincoln. Leslie Jordan. Oh my god,
Leslie Jordan's Oh I miss Leslie Jordan. Motherfucker got me.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
He literally said what you just said. He's like and
I said yes, and.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I'll say yes and yeah, my Sam characters based on
Leslie Jordan. Yes, he's just sprightly.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
I remember when he went in viral for that, like
when going off in that like dude outside of Starbucks.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yes, so he would go to the Starbucks in West
Hollywood all the time. But I would see him all
the time.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
I was walking by when that happened. Really, yea gorgeous, gorgeous,
like yeah, he was the best. He was like he
would go off and he was just everything.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
So Video West used to be a video store in
West Hollywood and if you went to the back, you
could rent some adult films. So he had a stack
and he only wanted to pay. He's like, I got
these quarters and he only wanted to pay in the quarters.
And the catcher was like, and we're all lining up
and we're like he had oldies, butt goodies, and butt
had two teas and He didn't care.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
He was just like, I'm rentedly wow. Yeah, shameless, Yeah, shameless,
Leslie Jordan, I love that.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
So I want to talk about And so I was
asked this question. You know, we got some fan questions
for you. Your content is not necessarily queer, No, it's not.
There's a queer aesthetic to it, yes, but it's there's
also other aesthetics that wherever you're looking at from your point.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Of view, that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, have did you?
Was that by choice?

Speaker 2 (24:02):
And have you ever felt pressure like, well, I got
to stick up for the gays?

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (24:06):
You know, growing up, I felt a lot of heart.
I had a hard time fitting in with the gaze.
I always felt like everyone even have other gays, No
they didn't. And I just I always felt like I
knew it's straight what the most conservative people would find funny,
and I understood what the most liberal people found funny.
It's just inappropriate on either side. I feel like comedy

(24:28):
really unites us more than we think it does. It's
like pizza or sports or you know, it's like something
that majority of the world unanimously loves. And I think
gay people are just so fucking hilarious. When I was seventeen,
I discovered John Waters, Jack Plotnick, a lot of actors
who do really niche, queer comedy, and I realized, Oh,
there's something funnier than primetime TV that I've been being

(24:50):
fed my whole life. It's this I want. I've always
wanted to be a channel where people can tune in
and get access to maybe a brand of comedy that
they're not exposed to on primetime TV or in the
movie And I think that, yes, it's from a queer perspective,
and it has a very queer coded aesthetic to it.
But I don't want to be a channel that is
only for one type of people. I really don't. I

(25:12):
do like being a place where people can just come
strictly for the humor. And yeah, I mean talking wrong.
I love RuPaul, but like you try playing drag race
in front of you know, your family, They're not gonna
get They're getting half the jokes. And I didn't want to.
I didn't want to be a place that was an
inside joke for anyone. I like everyone as many people

(25:33):
as possible being able to come to my channel and
just be able to laugh at it. I mean it's
like Primetime rules. I mean, it's so yeah. I never
I wanted to I never want to be a gay comedian.
I wanted to be a comedian who happened to be gay,
but I never wanted that to be what defined my
comedy at all. I think the joke should define the comedy.
I think whether or not the person is laughing, that's

(25:55):
the only goal. And so yeah, now let's.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Talk about your treatment by the queer community. So we've
interviewed people here that are queer adjacent, which I would
kind of put you to where it's like their main
thing is not queer, and so they've also felt left
out when like the Queer Awards shows happen when they're
honoring trailblazers, and it's like, I have how many millions
of subscribers and how many millions of views? Am I
not a trail blazer?

Speaker 1 (26:19):
For you people? Does kind of shoot yourself in the foot? Yeah,
you hit it right on the head. It's a club.
It is a club. And unless you are adamantly saying
gay gay gay, I love gay cock gay, it's not
then you're conn said, oh, we are another humdrum straight person.
But then I don't fit in with the straits either.
I just worked with fucking Trevor Wallace and a few
other straight comedians this afternoon, and I remember thinking, like,

(26:41):
I'm not the kind of comedian who makes these jokes either,
who's like, yeah, you know, because the pussy smells like
fish on a Friday, it's like straight humor. I've always
felt ostracized by them, so I do feel a little
bit on the moon. Although now that I'm doing cons
and I'm meeting my fans face to face, I'm realizing
there's a whole community of queer doos that don't get
a lot of limelight. I mean, now with dragular and
shows that kind of cater to them more, we're seeing

(27:02):
them come out of the woo.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
The gay nerds, the gay sci fi nerds, the gates,
comic lovers.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
We're starting to get a voice.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
There was an article done and it's talking about all
of the queer characters in gaming and how they're leading
the social media because the gays are liking sharing fan art,
and so the gaming industry is now like, oh, well,
if we want to be popping on social media, we
got to gay it up.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah. I think a lot of a lot of people
outside of the gay community look at us and they
think we're when it comes to drag or gay aesthetics,
they think we're mostly Tricksie Mattel, whom I love. But
I think a lot of us are drinks monsoon. You know.
We're weird and quirky and dark and twisted and fucked
up and a little witchy. Yeah, And so I think
I stick up for those queers who are necessarily like, yeah,
we're gay, but that's old news. We're also fucked in

(27:45):
the head too, where you know that crowd is my
crowd of peace.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
Figure, it's your interests first, gay second kind of bingo.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Bingo, And and I think that's where it should be, right.
I think people shouldn't we shouldn't be Oh so you're gay,
Tell me about that, you know, a hell of a boss.
One of the main storyline and that show is it's
a gay relationship, and yet so many street people enjoy
it because it's not about them being gay. It's a
relationship that happened. Gay show. I would say at all, No,
it's not. These characters happen.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
To be not winning the glad Awards, you know what
I mean? And it's like, there's a gay storyline and
it has how many millions of you per episode?

Speaker 1 (28:17):
When when queer award shows do just cater to the
gayest things possible. It is a little limiting because I
think there's a lot of really good queer coded media
out there that does appeal to a wider audience that's
being overlooked percent.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
There's so many independent content makers out there, I'm telling you,
and if anybody's getting discouraged out there, because I'm on
the other side of it, I get the pr pitches.
We kind of know who's gonna be nominated, yeah, which
is so it's not cool. I mean, it's like that's
really honor the movers and shakers, and when it's kind
of bought by studios or bought by whatever, and I'm
not getting to any organizations at all because yeah, bye, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(28:50):
that's what's happening.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
It's almost like the Academy Awards. We kind of know
who's gonna you know, somebody tells us that this movie
is gonna be the best, and we're like, okay, it was, okay,
well I guess now it's best.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Right, right. It's all it's very political and and you
know that could work against you or for you, depending
on how well you know the game. You know, but the.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Industry has really really embraced you. Like I said, you've
you've won a number of awards, I mean, and your
content numbers speak for itself too.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Thank you. It's it wasn't easy. I mean, I wish
I had someone to thank or an entity to thank
me here, you know, and it feels good. You know.
I'm very glad that I produce a lot of my
own stuff because it leaves me to be in total
control of how my image looks to other people, which
controls how people what casting directors would cast me. As
you know, I I get when fans come up to
me if if they're weird, I get to be weird

(29:37):
back to them. There's no you know, image of perfection
I have to uphold, like a lot of people who
are in the public I do. I've already branded myself
as a piece of shit, so I just kind of
get a be like a weird.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Inside joke because you can't you know, be a piece
of shit and you can't and do what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Let's say a.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Fans being rude to me, Like if someone walks up
to my table to conn as being a piece of shit.
I can give it back. I work with actors who
can't give it back because that's not their image. It's
not their image. Got it right? So I literally I
had someone so my role on Hasban Hotel. You know,
I replaced an actor from the pilot who is a
cis girl. Who got the girl and she's a sexy character.

(30:18):
And when people hear my voice coming out of that,
a lot of the the a lot of the people
who really liked her, they don't a lot of it.
Let's face it, the quite a little inselish. Oh I
liked it when a girl played it's sure enough this
last China and yeah, I know what they're trying to
do that. Yeah I'm not going to do it in
front of me. And someone came up to my table
last week and and said, you know, I really, I
really think you should not have gotten that role. I

(30:39):
think she was better played by a real woman.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
But somebody it's.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Almost like they want to reaction, in my opinion, like
they know that they expect the bit out of brand And.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
You know how much were they thinking about that before
they came up to like you know that obviously.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
It's on their minds an animation.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Yeah, just eating at them so much that they felt
bold enough to have to like tell they made their problem.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Maybe there were some other issues going on them.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
I think they were. They were a little they were
a little socially spicy. But also I said, I I'm stealing.
I just told him. I said, well, you're wrong, and
please fuck off by you know, And I got a
laugh from the people watching in line, and I got
to handle my ship. And I gotta respect myself. If
I just let him say that to me and let
him walk away, how good do I feel about myself

(31:23):
when I sleep at night? You know? Just like, Oh,
I work a job where people can come up to
me and tell me what they think about and then
fuck off. No, I get to say what I get
to think about them back. That's how the world should work.
But they probably went home and wrote in their diary
today was a five star, right.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Was fresh that said?

Speaker 4 (31:45):
I will say that so many straight men eat you up,
like there are those whatever you call it in cells,
But like you have a lot of straight fans, And
how uniting is that in the way? No, Like, like I.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Said, comedy is something that does unite us. It's like,
literally it is pizza. I think we are born with
the ability to laugh. We're not taught. That's why babies giggle.
You know. Humor is built inside of us. And I
think being able to speak to someone's humor and tickle
them from the inside, that's a magical thing. And anyone
who can do that for a living, like, I'm so
lucky that I get to do work in comedy because

(32:17):
I do feel like it unites us in more ways
than we think.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
That wasn't always the case. You kind of did some
video content for a law firm.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
I did, But people here this are like what And
I'm assuming and based on the amount of homework you've
done on MA, I'm assuming you've heard about the darkest
case we had. Oh I haven't here.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Okay, So those not even those out of LA still
know the Hotel Cecil.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
The Hotel water Tank. It's season hotel, right, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
What now they've changed the name and they're really redoing it.
I thought it was Hotel Seesel Tony. Is it Cecil
Hotel or Hotel Seesel anyway?

Speaker 1 (32:47):
I mean, it's so.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Iconic in the horror la legend image do you know
about us? So just the most famous story is the
water tank and this Yes, yes, yes, this bitch had
to go to the water tank.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, yeah, I went up to the well. I worked
at a law firm that was representing her, and by
the time I found out she was our client, I
was obsessed with this case. The whole internet was obsessed
with the whole documentary, like so much.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, there's myth about it, there's there's facts about it,
but it is people are obsessed with this story.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
It's eerie, it's very very dark. But yeah, we we
represented her. I had to go to the hotel and film,
so we were representing the client in the sense that
the hotel was negligent in her death. You know, it
could have been present prevented if the hotel took precautions.
So we don't know what happened. Well, she's the documentary
on Netflix explains it pretty well, but she I had

(33:40):
to talk to her parents about what happened. We she
she had all of her stuff in the office. We
had her suitcase with the elevator right like, but she
disappears from camera the elevator. She was really like like
and you can't just walk into the water tank. No,
for the record, that was week. It was weeks that
it was just the elevator. No one knew she was
in the tank for weeks. They thought it was just
a straight because who gets into an elevator and then

(34:03):
gets off the floor and then it never never seen again.
They don't know what she got off on the top
floor and they never saw her again. So she didn't
jump off the building. She wasn't. No one found her.
So it was this weird mystery for weeks, and then
the results were even scarier when they found her, because
that's like water that's going through like the Everyone's everyone

(34:23):
bottle water. It was coming out the shower and the
shower and the faucet. If you if you look at
the Yelp reviews from that.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
Is it a hotel like it's American inspired inspired the hotel?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yes, And we wonder why some of your contents kind
of dark? Oh yes, I mean some of your content.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Is very dark. It is because darkness is a part
of life. If you have the ability to laugh at ship,
I think you have the ability to, you know, find
the stuff horrifying equally, and why not laugh at the
stuff that's scary and sad, and you know, I'm a
hoot at funerals. I just you know, life is just
so fucking short to not laugh at it. And I
think it was hard to keep it, hard to stay

(35:03):
positive working on that case, or working on any of
those cases at least. I mean, in that case, our
client was dead. We did not work with the person
who's who. We worked with her family. That was really hard.
It's really depressing, but to even have her stuff there,
but yes, to have her diary. We had her diary
and it was really really personal stuff. And I even
flew back to her home Vancouver, where she's from, and

(35:24):
I went to her house, her bedroom, she's allowed the
report card on the desk and all the it was
untouched after it was like a year and a half afterward.
It was very sad, but that's not I mean, I
would argue that some of our other cases were even sadder.
That one was the most interesting and creepy. But like,
there are people who you know are paralyzed and can't
play with their kids anymore, or people who you know

(35:45):
are put in situations where their spouse has to take
care of them forever and it's just in like a
very intensive way. So we would have to cover my job.
Would I'd go there with the camera and I'd film
make it look as sad as possible, and then we'd
show that to the jury, you know, and it would
just be a day in the life, whichultimately would serve
as the format to my YouTube videos that I would
go to do a day in the life, just pockets
of a documentary, you know, little excerpts from a random day.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's so much to do with when you very young. Yeah,
and like mentally and to deal with these situations. But
do you think it helped layer your comedy so it's just.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Not like da da dun dunt. Yeah. I think a
lot of comedy feels like anything.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Especially no because everyone's trying to get the viral video.
Everybody's trying to get that quick laugh, they're trying to
be famous.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
I think that there's something if you have something inherently
heartbreaking in your content, I think that people relate to that. Also,
you know a lot of my videos that you know,
I'm a comedian, but a lot of it's centers around
stuff that is serious or dark or heavy. And because
everyone I think a lot of people relate to that.
I don't just have fans coming up saying I love
that video, it's so fun. I have fans who relate
to a story arc that I wrote where a character

(36:48):
is dealing with something heavy. I mean, Hell of a Boss.
I'm one of the writers on that that deals with
some really heavy stuff. And I think people have the
ability to laugh and cry more simultaneously than a lot
of writers think. You know, I think a lot of
the stuff we do expects the audience to get dark
with us and then to get light with us, and
they do. It's it's a fun kind of orchestra learning

(37:10):
how to make a scene go from something silly to
something tragic, you know, vice versa. But I think if
you can write the funny stuff in life, I think
you can write the tragic stuff too.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Now, how did hella Hell of a Boss? How did
it get so viral? Because it's one of the most
viral things on YouTube?

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I honestly, it's insane to me. Well, it has it has.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I love it, but I'm it's not It's not like, oh,
it's you know, a video of somebody falling down that
millions are going to share.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
It because We're giving a very underrepresented group of people
characters that they can relate to storylines that they've never
seen before. These are not characters that appear on shows
that you have queer characters on shows, they're often written
to be you know, they're they're either tragic or you
have to know they're queer. But oh, my boyfriend's coming
to pick me up, yeah, like it has to. These

(37:57):
are These are storylines that I think people have been
really hungry for with characters that they don't see represented
on TV a lot, and I think has been Hotel
and Hell of a Boss both stand You know, it's
a breadth of fresh air for this very large community
of people that don't have a show that they can
you know, relate to the struggles that are happening. And

(38:17):
I hope that it sparks more shows with characters like
these because it's very refreshing. I like seeing how the
whole country, I mean the whole world is relating to
characters that I thought would never do well on television.
I don't think the Blitz and Stoles relationship wouldever exist.
I can never see it existing on primetime TV right now,
and so I'm happy that it has blown up the

(38:38):
way it has because it shows that there is a
demand for this type of narrative.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Now, let me ask you, when did you kind of
realize not just realize that you went viral, because some
people go viral for one or two videos and then
the rest of your careers like that. When did you
first realize that, no, this is my new career. And
I think your boss at that law firm even told you, likeeah,
how long you have this is something? Yeah, this is
something that this is going to be your life.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Well that was always the goal, right, And I think
I woke up one day with I think it was
like seventeen thousand new followers overnight, and I remember thinking,
here's the wave. Waves are not forever. I got to
ride this wave as much as I can in the
same way that Brittany Broski, the kombucha girl. You know,
she took something that could have left her famous for
fifteen minutes and she made a whole career out of it.
And the thing is, fame is fleeting, and if you

(39:25):
don't grab it and make the most out of it,
they're going to move on to the next thing. And
so I was fat at the time. I was not.
I was in horrible health, and I knew that. Okay,
I'm about to be famous. It's happening right now. I'm
blowing up right now. If I don't make the most
out of it over the next three weeks, I'm going
to be forgotten.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
It also has to do with the fact that you
never had a plan B, right, Like, for you, is
that or nothing?

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, I still give my parents shit about it. Mostly
my mom really wanted me to have a plan B.
And I you know, I always tried telling you, if
I focus any effort on my plan B, that is
taking away from my plan. And I never had a
plan B. Really, it was everything I did up until
I blew up on YouTube was trying to get me

(40:07):
to blow up on the YouTube. I think it was
a lot more scary and harder to navigate after blowing up,
because it's like, well, now, what I only planned up
until the blow up. I always thought I was going
to get cast in a TV show and my agent
would find me my manager. Everything would come Nope. I
blew up independently. Now I have to find my manager.
I have to find an agent. I have to make
sure that I who knows how to properly nurture a

(40:29):
career in this industry, especially in this ever changing industry
where we have you know, ten years ago it was different.
Ten years ago everything was a streaming service and every
now it's you mentioned. I think on that list of
Roku and that was like, this is that's it now?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
I mean, you know, it's funny though, because some of
the queer YouTubers and TikTokers that that's all they do.
They're getting movie deals now, but they're all for gay films.
Well there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not the
kind of startum I think is on your Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
I mean, it's nice to be. I don't want to
get pigeon holed in the one type of you know,
like like what's it Andy Andy from SNL Lonely Island
and like the whole Lonely Island. That's where I want
to be. I don't want to be uh for a
specific niche audience. I think that my audience is very broad,

(41:20):
but uh, yeah, I heaven forbid you only do one
type of movie for the rest of your life. I
want to be someone who can be very versatile. I
think it's boring being one type of genre.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
Yeah, Tom cruise, but it isn't every movie.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
But he's not going all the way to the bank
with it.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
You know. Oh, you know, he goes both ways. I guess.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
You know, if you do something that you can only
do that and send it out because he'll do us.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Well, it goes both ways. I mean he'll notice it
not that far. Yeah, I said it goes both ways.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
That like if you know, if you really get a
one thing and then you can make it way for
the rest of your life, I guess that's when. But
I feel like a lot more people probably want to
be able to do something, especially in acting.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
You want to do a bit more versatility, more versative.
I didn't get born into this world to just be
one person forever. I think a lot of queer people
can relate to that. I love being all these different
kinds of fuckers. It's drag, right, So let's.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Talk about the mental pressure you have to go to.
You talked about you know, you have viral videos for
a year, then it's two years, and then you're looking
at the likes, and then you're getting endorsement deals for sponsorship,
and then you're getting hired to do certain content that
has to play in your mind like got to be better,
got to be better, got to be better, got to
be better. Yeah, how do you deal with that constant pressure?
Because that's a lot.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
There was a lot of that pressure before, and I
think I learned over many like years of just what
do you call eroding the rocks. I feel like doing
what you love and keeping yourself happy about it is
the easiest way to get through it, because otherwise you
do feel that burnout. And a lot of creators do
get burnt out. A lot of them do. And so
I think as long as you're as long as you

(42:51):
stay in love with what you do and you're not
diddling kids, you're set, you know, I mean, And a
lot of YouTubers both those things are very hard to do.
But I think, why is that so true? I stay
away from the kids? I think, And it's sad because
I've been friends with a lot of YouTubers over the years.
Who do I've watched them get burnt out. I've watched
them get excited over an idea, and then I've watched

(43:13):
their next idea They're less excited and less excited, and
then like, you know, maybe I'm going to move back
home this isn't for me. I think COVID was the
tipping point for a lot of those creators who weren't
on the they're okay, I think I'll go back home,
you know. And and also the fires. I know a
lot of people who left l A and are living
somewhere else, And so I think, unless you're really in
love with it, it's you can be easily shaken off

(43:34):
the playground.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
And there's also the other side of it. We used
to have a lot of MTV and CW actors when
they had had their first show, and it's like, oh,
they spend, spend, spend, Hey, that's not a guaranteed income,
and then they're almost homeless because their contract is done
or their next videos, the next series of videos don't
do well.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
That's sad. I just thought that she's honey broke broke
now and wow, yeah, who saw that coming? Who's I know?
Right now? Let me ask.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
You, so much of your performances are so obviously face forward,
and it's you know, based, The way that you fill
a character is not just with the accent, it's not
just with the it's full bodily takeover of these characters
that you do. Being a former chunky person. How have
you dealt with these body issues? We know we have
body issues in the queer community. I don't care who

(44:20):
you are, whether you're skinny or muscular or whatever, there's
just body issues all the time. How did you deal
with that entertainment community and knowing that they're looking at me.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
It's hard, It's really hard. I got picked on for
being fat my whole life, and then you know, next
I would be on dating apps. And then once after
I lost the weight, I got very confident. I get
on dating apps, and then it was your too skinny.
You're too skinny. I don't like I'm looking for bigger guys.
It's right, oh no, but yeah, it's not fun. I

(44:54):
do feel like aging isn't going to be as hard
for me as most people because I got so used to.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Being you have Spanish blood in you.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
We aged the aged great. I got a little bit. Yeah,
I know, I feel like you age backwards. Look at
the old videos like I'm Benjamin. But that is funny.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
But I think confidence has a lot to do with
it too.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
I think confidence and queerness, I just know, as queer
people and not being problematic, I beg them less problematic
you are. Yeah, it is weird.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
I'm not going out every night too.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Not going out every night helps, staying out of the
sun helps. I think just being youth, just like laughing
and having a youthful demeanor about life keeps you. My
dad is one of the funniest people I know, and
he's just so. He has this glow in his face
every time I see him, and I know it's from
the inside. It has nothing to do with his age.
And I do think that finding life playful and fun,
which a lot of queer people do, there's just something

(45:43):
about and also living here in LA there is like
a prolonged adolescence about just living in LA. But some
people get to come by it and they they get
old real fast. I don't mean that they like age,
but you know, they succumb to the night life or
they're just like life hits them hard. Yeah. I have
seen the leathery ones who were like just their nose

(46:03):
they can't breathe through it anymore, and they're just all
coked out and yeah, right now we're all good. I
would look.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
That was fresh, you.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Know what it is like?

Speaker 4 (46:17):
I think Brandon does something that's intrinsically motivating to him.
And I think that start goes back almost to the
fact that we were talking about how many people like
want to you know, step out of the scene or
the like fame game of it all because like they
don't do something that's intrinsically motivating to them, and like
Brandon loves what he does, you know what I mean,
and like that's what keeps you young.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
It's a sincere passion.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
It also it also feels like a bit of defiance
because growing up, I was told a lot that you know,
as a brown person, I was never able to work
in this industry unless I spoke Spanish or spoken other language.
And I didn't like that. I didn't like I hope
that one day queer people of color never feel like
this isn't their world to be themselves and to act themselves.

(46:59):
And I think a lot of my characters are so
a departure from me just to show like I can
be anyone I want. I could be an executive woman
in charge of everything, where I can be some security
guard I could be. I don't I'm not held back
from the things that a lot of my life I
was told would be a hindrance to me, and so yeah,
and it does feel like an active defiance. The more

(47:21):
characters I play, the more people buy that I'm this entity.
It shows like, look, I punched through those things that
people said I couldn't And so yeah, I hope. I
hope one day people who are in my shoes, you know,
could never even have to have that thought of like
having to prove themselves or punch through an expectation like
you said it should be. I feel like content first,

(47:42):
and you just happen to be a queer person second.
And so I'm like, oh, you're gay. So you're gonna
play best Friend number six and you play slutty Ryan
Murphy guy number seven, and you're gonna be and you're
in Fire Island Part six, firefight, Yes exactly, Ireland, Fire Island.
But yeah, we know they're gonna have part six. We're
gonna have yeah, Part sucks, Part sex.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
This is such a low hanging fruit question, but a
lot of the questions dealt with this in a roundabout way.
Your characters are so random. They're not like, oh, I'm
going to be you know, the funny neighbor. That's just
not only.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
What you do.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Your characters are like the most random ideas I've ever,
it's like, who the hell comes up with that? So
here's a low hanging fruit question, but we still got it.
Where do you come up with the ideas for the characters?
And what is your creative process? Are you writing on
a napkin? Are you sitting at your computer and be
like okay, okay? Are you practicing in front of a mirror?
Like what's happening?

Speaker 1 (48:37):
It's a little bit of all of those things. I
use my notes app on my phone. I think a
lot of artists use the notes app, but it's more
of just paying homage to a personality type or a
certain aesthetic about someone that it's drag. You know, you
find something you like about it's interesting. It really is
drag because you are representing and exemplifying a quality about

(48:58):
someone else that stands out to you. And usually it's
something I very much admire. Like I said, one of
my characters, she's an executive lady with big I love
the corporate women of the nineties with the big shoulder pads,
working girl, the working girl, and those quacky cell phones.
Everything was so iconic, Yes, exactly, so, So that's just
you know, you look at someone and you admire something

(49:19):
about them, and you go, what do I do to
pay respect to the thing that I like most about
that person. Some of my characters are based off of
my family members who I you know, they would say
certain things that I really thought was funny. I said, well,
how can I repackage that to my fans in a
more polished way and give them that So, yeah, it's

(49:40):
I come up with my characters just by you know,
looking at people. You know, I might want to play
a podcast host and be like, you know too, I
never I never played characters you to play though, by
the way, i'd be a model. I don't know. There's
really no characters that I played to be mean to
the source material.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
That's one hundred percent. And I've heard this from your
fans as well. It comes even though you make fun
of the stereotype, actually don't make fun of the stereotype.
It's yeah, it's you use the stereotype to tell a story.
But your fans do say you're you know, you say
like percent and you say, oh, I'm you know, a
piece of shit, But I mean, you're really not growing.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Up being made fun of for being brown, fat, queer,
Like I know what making fun of is very clearly,
and I know what I know how to, you know,
respectfully make jokes about someone. You know, my whole life
I've been picked on. So it's not like I'm a
strange to what that feels like or I'm not, you know,
I know full well what it's like to be on
the butt end of a joke. I will admit sometimes

(50:41):
when I was picked on in school, it was pretty clever.
I was like, oh, you got me. That was actually
pretty fun.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
I've never made I met a funny straight bully. I'm
just like, really, it's like the lowest hanging through.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, I've heard that.

Speaker 5 (50:54):
And a lot of those bullies were gay. That's why
they were bullying in general.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
One of a pressure. Didn't one of them like messaging
on social media or something. No, that was always do
you have any do you have any good former bully
stories from your past?

Speaker 5 (51:10):
I was kind of the bullie the kids very clever,
so like my last name was my last name is
Daylor and so I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
But I was like playing with all the girls.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
I would do all like the monkey bars and stuff,
and they would call me Stephen Gaylor.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Behind my back. By no, how old were you. That
was like ten.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
We didn't even use the word because I went to
Catholic high school in southern California, so they would use
like the I still don't know what gay really was.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
It was so weird. I came out so late in life.
I did too. Actually, wait, how how old were you
when you came out?

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I was a junior at the end of my junior
year in college college, and I was engaged to be
married to a woman who I still think is my soulmate.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
By the way, doesn't next to seven mean sex mate?

Speaker 2 (51:59):
It was okay, I was like, good job, no, But like,
I came out so late, so even like the sex
aspect of it was so odd to me and horrified.
Oh really, yeah, you're not You're not a gold star.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Do you have any kids?

Speaker 2 (52:17):
I wonder, because we're like a sprinkler.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Ru's pregnant without even being in.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
Them candidates about Like, I was like, is that Alexander?

Speaker 1 (52:29):
I don't know. I have a very funny story about that.
I'm not going I don't have any.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
I don't know how you do take care of your
mental health. So here's here's the truth about a popular
content creator. Like when you go to the conventions. They
expect you to act a certain way.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
You look at.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Your Instagram and your energy, I mean you're jumping on people.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
You're just like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
When you go on an interview, and I've watched many
of your interviews and it's like, okay, be Brandon, it
was like go monkey dance.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
But also when fans meet you in real life, there's
just this requirement. So when do you take time for
you and how do you deal with your mental health
because you cannot, like you said, you can't do that
twenty four seven.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
It's a very fine line. I do like a lot
of it. Like when I'm being goofy in front of
my fans, it's of my own volition. You know, I'm energy.
Oh yeah, I while I have it, the energy, I'm
just thankful that I, you know, can be this person
in front of them. It does get tiring sometimes, you know,
at the end of I do eight hours a day
signing autographs, taking selfies, and that's not even the hard part.
And it's the conversation. Someone can walk up to you

(53:33):
and say, you know, oh my god, you're the greatest.
I love you someone for the next person. I almost
killed myself because of it. But because of you, I say,
you saved my life and or my brother and I
used to watch you all the time, and now and
now he passed away. And so then you have to
bring yourself to that level. But then the next person
comes up and goes, holy shit, I'm getting They're back

(53:53):
excited again. I'm so happy. I waited in line for
three Maybe the next person's an angry parent. I waited
for five hours for my So you have to calibrate
yourself to all these different emotions. And this is their moment.
It's all about them. It's their moment. But I will
see in the In the in the break group, Rain
Wilson came up to me and he was like, how
do you calibrate yourself to each person? He's I can't

(54:16):
go hide to load, to hide a load? How do
you do? And I thought to myself, you've been doing
this longer. What the fact that you're asking me that?

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Like?

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Am I gonna be you? Like? But here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
I mean, he's done so much great theater work other screenwork,
but unfortunately for the majority of us, he's just that character.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah, and he can get away with it because his
character is kind of like, Hi, how are you?

Speaker 6 (54:40):
Like?

Speaker 2 (54:40):
You can be kind of expected, you know so, but
peeple expect so much because you're like, what character you
a fan of? Okay that one? I have over forty characters. Okay,
let me okay.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah, but it does help because I have a whole
bunch of prints, and each print is like a headshot
for each character. So depending on which print they select,
I kind of know what they like about or what
they could afford to which one they They're all the same,
you did this ten years ago, this is what Yeah,
I don't. Yeah, it is tough. Sometimes, I will say
on a Sunday, at the end of a Sunday, at
the end of the weekend, I always apologize to that crowd.

(55:10):
So I'm you are getting a half cock version of me.
I was much more energetic yesterday or on Friday. Yeah,
And I think people understand. I think if you just
make good eye contact with someone, you listen to them,
that's what they want. And you know, that's what I'm
there for. I mean there to hear them. You know,
I'm I'm always talking at every interview or through you know.

(55:31):
I liked it for someone to come up and just
tell me how their day is going, and you know,
it gives me some need to listen to while I'm
signing their print and I'm you know, hands cramping. You
think everyone asks are you're a ristic? They never get
it's you're gay. Sorry, I'm gay. We have we can
do this all day long.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Oh I was doing something else, but.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
You know I I, uh, yeah, I'm happy. I don't
get tired of it that fast. I have. You know,
I will say there are days where I'm having a
really bad day though, or if I'm if I'm having
I had the stomach flu one time, and I was
going behind the curtain and vomiting, and I'd come back
out and I'd sign stuff and I would tell people
I'd make an announcement. I say, guys, I'm really sick.

(56:13):
If we can keep interactions really brief and just to
signing and selfies, you know, I'd really appreciate it. And
then certain people would come up and just take their time. Oh,
and then what's that other thing I wanted to ask?
And I'm dying and I'm looking at them when I'm
going please, I just I can't you know you're taking
you're taking both of our.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Time, but the pressure's on for you because what if
they waited and you know, this was the only con
they could afford for a year.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
And some of these people fly from out of town
and they're there. They're waiting for hours, and then the
moment you step away for a lunch break or for
any kind of break, there's a whole line of people.
So any second I've been there, yeah, and you hear
every second you are taking your lunch break, you know
there's a line of people standing waiting for you. That's
kind of weird too, But I've been doing these. You

(56:56):
do these every weekend. They start to get a little
bit more normal, and you start to understand what makes
fans happy. I worked a customer service for a long time,
and this isn't that different because working in customer service
customers now I need to know. I worked. I worked
at best Buy for a shot time. Yeah, for a
long time. What department at at the front and front lanes?

(57:17):
So we got all the all they all had to
come through us, And I envied the other departments because
I'm like, oh, at least the mood the DVDs only
had to deal with those people, or the cars only.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Had to and they're there to buy something. So there's
like a transactor and.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
There's a line that you have to get through, and
there's really shitty fluorescent.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Light blue shirt and everything.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
The blue shirt, yeah, the blue shirt everything, the yellow tag,
the khakis. You never want to piss yourself in those pants.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
You can't even use it, youar no, if there's any splashback, yeah,
that's right, that's right. But the Best By Kakies, I
don't know what it is about their workers.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
There's a little a little there's something a little pedophilic
about the Best By. Look, there's something a little bit
like hot there. I'm working, I'm at Best. Here's here's
my khakis tucked in that in Staples. Staples, they definitely
did all kids. Oh not that, not that callback.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Are they not open anymore?

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Staples? Oh wait, well they're no longer the convention center.
That's the crypto shit. Yea, how crazy is that? So
that's our life now, that's the world we live in
that you have as years good city. When you said
Staple Circuit city, No, I don't do that.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
So let me ask you this, Brandon, is it hard
to date you? Is it hard to be your friend?
Because number One, people expect something from you. Number Two,
you're so busy, Like when you tell somebody, hey, let
to be friends, I literally don't have time to hang out.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
It is. It's hard for me to make friends sometimes.
But I'm a very loyal leo. I keep I'm I
have a little, small, tiny inner circle of friends that
I would die for. And you know, I'm not an
extrovert in the sense that I don't have a lot
of close friends. I have a few close friends, And
it's weird. Being a celebrity allows you to be an
introvert in a weird way because you're this other version

(59:00):
in front of everyone else. It doesn't feel like you're
necessarily being authentically you, so it doesn't take away part
of your soul in the way that like being an
introvert with or extrovert with lots of friends would. It's
nice to just put on a mask for the crowd
of people and then to go behind the curtain and
tenderly love the few people in your life that you have.
A lot of the other celebrities that I've met are
also like that. They love that They're just crazy about

(59:21):
their family, their wife and kids, you know, and then
they are this other version for their fans, and I
think that's kind of helps the tight rope of keeping
your mental sanity. It's just knowing that when you're in
front of the masses, you are this other version. It's showtime.
But behind the scenes, you are with people who understand
you and love you. And hopefully they do understand who

(59:42):
you are and love you for who you are, not
just the reasons why the fans do. Because the fans
will never know all of my greatest qualities or all
of the things I like most about myself. They like
a part of my soul. They like part of me
that is very real. But I you know, it's the
side of me when I'm getting up at three am
to go get a snack, or when I'm who I
am in line at the movies with my friends. It's

(01:00:03):
it's that it's that version of myself that only the
closest people get to see that I that I really
feel like is the heart of what I am and
if people can love me for that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
But but that means it's hard to make new friends.
It's hard because people, you know, like even like a
first date, people are like, yeah, like get okay. It's
it is be funny.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Yeah, be funny, be fun When people act like that,
it's a big turn off. And and I think, I
think for the most part, no one really does. No
one really treats me like a monkey. And if they do,
I make them very aware of that they're making making
me feel that way. But I've been very lucky. Almost
everyone's very respectful. I go to a bar, and if
someone recognizes me at a bar, they're never like, do
this that, you know, They're like you, They're just asking

(01:00:45):
me very inquisitive questions. They're being very respectful about their
Well you're gay, and they're gonna yeah, noses. I never
said sound I have eyes.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Or I know that you kept your friends from like
ten over ten years and more right because, like I said.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
The people who were there for you when you had
nothing to offer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Gian has had these friends for his longest time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
You know his sisters is Mike manager. Yeah, and well
Harvey Gians is a special case. Harvey Gan is like
a very very authentic.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Does an interview, You're like, oh, we're best days now.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Yeah, he's such a Has he been on the show, Yes, Oh,
I love him so much. I love him so we're
both in hell of a boss together. That's why we
know each other and that we've been doing the cons together.
So whenever I show, and usually he's the only other
queer person at these cons, it's a lot of straight celebrities.
Still to this day, there's a big disconnect with cons.
They don't have a lot of queer relevant young I
go to these Insaul william.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Shown, that's a lot of I'm a huge trek e
I am, so you know I am too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
But that's that's who we have at these How much
that's a missed income.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Because the gays could afford the five hundred dollars autographs. Yes,
well buy all of your headshots at once.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
I've seen drag con. I know that I've seen how
they can spending.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Sci fi and comic people gaze have more money than
that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
That's true, Hutching. I've been to Palm Springs. I se
how much money queers have. I was just there the
five dollarouse, which I'm out. Okay, we have to get
to our pop culture report. But how are you the
most different?

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
And we kind of talked about you kind of being
an introvert, but how is Brandon Rodgers the person the
most different. Do you think, other than just being an introvert.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
He's quite boring. I find myself I like being boring,
though I don't. I like to turn off. I like
to turn off my brain. And when I'm at home,
I know that I'm not the person that i'm at
I'm not, you know, some wild wacky thing, and it
takes a long time for me to think about stuff normally.
I'm not a quick answerer either, and I like that
when I'm just at home, I'm allowed to be boring
with are you watching Housewives? Are you watatching Severance? And

(01:02:49):
I'm watching White Lotus can talk?

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Oh well, it's in our pop culture report. So I
got screeners for the whole series, the whole season before,
and I got Lotus.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Yes, I couldn't say anything. No, we haven't seen the
latest season yet. I just I'm getting him to catch up.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
So then you're not gonna be able to but itsay
that we're bringing it up. That was an extra thing
to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
I was like time, because you never have time. No,
I don't, and it is I have time, like an
hour before I go to bed, maybe two hours before
I go to bed. That's when maybe I can watch something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
So like, again, I'm not on your level at all,
but I've also heard this from other content creators or
people that you know do stuff. At the end of
the day, you feel like we deserve this time a
little bit. So sometimes we'll stay up way too late
because you're like, I deserve to watch this other episode
of Golden Girls I've seen fifty times, you know, because
it's like, that's only our time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Yeah, it's a very sacred time. That that hour when
I wake up and that hour before I go to
bed is sacred. And oh, it's so nice when you
have someone you could share that with who understands that sacred.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I don't want anybody near me and like I'm alone.
I'll be like you'r uber's here. I need an hour
by myself.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Do you have any a dog or something? Oh, a
dog is the best. It's a long story. I won't
have another dog because it was too much. Oh my god,
I know what that feels like. Do you know what
should a man? Coon? Cat? The had one for sixteen years.
Oh my god, I'm bringing up all these memories. I
have a squirrels suck, let's let them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I have squirrels, and squirrels can get really nasty, so
I'm okay with having affection to them, and then they
get a little nasty and I'm like good bye.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Yeah, yeah, oh squirrels. They're interesting, aren't they? But also
make sure you adopt and not buy squirrels.

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
And I was like, don't post about it because the
state will probably take them away.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
I catch all of mine. Yeah, yeah, delicious. Did you
just say that? Is it in rabies? Thought? Who said
eat my nuts? That said.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Quiz?

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Okay, we're gonna end the show. We still have a
couple more questions for you, but let's let's wrap this in. Tony,
you know what time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
It is, take your last shots? Here, here we go,
Oh other time.

Speaker 6 (01:05:09):
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Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
I remember when I did like my first like remember
were suggesting.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Doing like a pop culture report and.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
And you were like, oh, you're like sent me in
like a recording of its, Like no, you need to
like you should do like a recording of it, and
you came up with like the best because I'm such
a Britney fair so like that was I think we've
had her for like seven years? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
think I think I said her first show was in
twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Actually, all right, what's happening in pop culture? So here's
what brings up the top?

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
Yeah, and then first start, well, so let's talk about
Lady Gaga. Mayhem debuts at number one, her seventh studio album,
That has I Be You number one?

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
That picture they could have, Oh, that's that's what I thought.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Tommy Wise for the room.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
If you're not been watching More Aesthetic, you know, he's
such a hater. I bet I'm like, we'll talk about this.
I don't hate probably he probably he probably hates it.
But yeah, yeah, she had two hundred nineteen thousand units
one hundred and thirty six thousand pure sales. Also, it's
been her biggest we talking about staming, well not even streaming,
but vinyls. We were just talking about recently that vinyls
are like really really really and I actually bought like

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a record player. Oh sure, okay, what's your favorite track?
My favorite mine Garden of Eden. Yes, I love that one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Killer.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
We've been listening to that. I was just in Mammoth
all weekend. The Gaze, Love Killer, Love Drug, that's going too.
I mean there's so many zombie Zombie boy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Yes. Everyone. I feel like everyone's just sort of like
has their favorites.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
And then that's very true. That's just the most everybody
loves the album. But you're right, everybody has and it's
not the same.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
It's not the same. But then okay, fine, and then
you're getting more attached to other songs as you listen
to it. Yeah, I kind of like the stuff that
didn't release more than the stuff they did.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
Yeah, And so I feel like a lot of people
feel exactly the same way. It's been her best album since,
you know, whether you loved art pop or born this way,
you know, it's just been it's going back to you know,
back to her old raw girls back. Yes, So it'll
be interesting to see she she's already recorded a video.
She her and her dancers have posted some behind the

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scenes online for their next video.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
So that's and it's a bigger trend that the debits
are going back to the roots. Yeah, with Joy ride
went back. I mean it was like original catch up,
like yes, you're back. Madonna's re releasing some music and
we heard that her next album is going to be
confessional Rihanna.

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
Rihanna re releasing music, which Rihanna has been like her
and Brittany both have like so Brittany and would be
the one that's like the longest it's not been releasing music,
but at least he's free.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
She's swirling in her She has that she has.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
A biopic that's coming out with the director from Wicked
is actually doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
Wait, do we think do we think love Drugs sounds
like I guess the girl at all.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
I don't know it sounds so I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Think like Abracadabra literally sounds like Judas like music over
and was like this is.

Speaker 5 (01:08:12):
But yeah, totally yeah, yeah that's what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
But that's what I like.

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
I like, well, she's always so good at just like
the word verbiage that she uses where it's like it's
like God, she puts Gaga into.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Like the words and it's like the way that she's
able to Yeah, it's just she's so catchy and it's
like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
And I think for the queers We're in such a
delicate situation right now. We need to go back to
what made us feel safe, which was Lady Gaga. I
mean her friends were like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Oh yeah, remember when like Born this Week came out.

Speaker 5 (01:08:42):
You know, another period of time, there was another period
of time where in the LGBT community is being attacked.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
We're being attacked again.

Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
You have you know, dozens of states now at least
that are you know Idaho, that their legislation they're trying
to go to the Supreme Court to overturn.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
I had seven gigs in two weeks to get canceled
because no more is conservative states are removing are Yeah,
it will be a very interesting Pride season.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
So we do need you know, this music.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
That feel yeah, and that's the dance for we've forgotten
how to go dance.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
If we go to the clouds and run the phones
or with our friends, we don't go to the dance.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
I will I will say that I've noticed that I've
lived in la for about eleven years now or so
twelve years, and I've noted when I first got here.
I even just in that time, I remember what clubs
were like, and now no one since people are there
it's like lounges.

Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
Now, I think I think that's what I think that's
that will probably what we'll pull gen Z back into
the clubs is not because if you're not gonna be drinking,
you're gonna want to be danced it to good music.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
And I will say these next three and a half years,
queer artists are gonna have to art hard. But I
will say I was in Seattle when they dropped the
Mayhem album. We had to count down because you know,
she counted down to the to the release. There was
this club played the entire album front to back. Listening
to falling in Love with Music unanimously with the whole
room of people was the most religious experience I've had my.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Entire life to Yeah, I think we forgot that. It's
so much fun.

Speaker 5 (01:10:02):
I guess said, I've danced a nightlife and and you
know for ten years, and when you when when you
have these songs that are like iconic that you like,
that that are recent and new, especially during Pride season.
This part season will be so much fun. When you
know Killer Ab, you know, Zombie Boy pops up onto
the and the DJ plays and you're just like everyone
will start the clip starts screaming.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Just afraid my body's gonna snap when I do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Off your head?

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
All right, And I will just say this since we're
being a little irreverent tonight. If you're at a hotel
room and you're worried about other people hearing your activity,
you put lady on. It is the beats and everything
works so well together. There was no crossover except during
obviously the track changers like the other rooms is like
when you stop, it was so funny because we're laughing

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so hard we stopped.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
Okay, wow, yeah, all right, so on our list.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Uh thumbs up for yeah, yeah, thumbs up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Mayham love it to be honest, case, did you like
it the very first time?

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
You did?

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
I did? I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
I listened to it at the gym and listened to
it to my whole workout, and it's I've been listening
to it every workout since.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Like Joella says, at first, I was under well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Wait a minute, thank you for me. From so many people,
they're not like they enjoyed.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
It, but yeah, I was underwhelmed. It's like I want
the real like edge to Gaga, you know what I mean.
Like sometimes I'm like, are you faking it or are
you bringing it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
You know what I mean? Then, but then the tracks
grew on me a lot of them. That's a really.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Important point though, because we think that she's lost her way.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Yeah, we love.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Her singing jah. She's a great singer. She's a great musician.
There's no question. Is that what we want from Gaga?
Did you see her interview She was talking about when
she's doing.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
Joanne and she said that, you know, that album was
she was trying to like go back and try to
find herself again and she ended up actually like she
was the furthest from herself in that album. And she
feels like with yeah, and she feels like with this
this album that she's doing now, she's just going she's
just trying to be.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
Like I hope, but I missed the Gaga that goes like,
are you listening while fighting for gay rights?

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
You know what I mean? Where is the edge that
doesn't give up? Fu?

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:12:23):
Like you know there to be I feel like that
opinion will change when she's when she starts going on tour,
because I'm saying because that's really she hasn't really had
the opportunity to do that yet. Right now, she's doing
the you know, she's doing the media tour Essonnel, you know,
hot ones, the was it the Vanity?

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
The was it? What's the vanity? Fanny Fair?

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
But she did like she did like the was it
the light detector test?

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Yeah, it's fun, but as a pr she's still not
who we first met, remember when there's like another another club.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Still always she like she was twenty years That's what.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
We fell in love with, like Madonna being a weirdo.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
But we also have to grow. We also have to
grow with our artists. You know, I'm cool with that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
And tell me about because we all that's Kylie. Yeah,
first about consistency kind of. I love hot topics by
the way, all right, so I'll move on to our
next one, because Disney is releasing and once again another
one of their live action.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
I went to that premiere.

Speaker 5 (01:13:30):
The way there's no white White Okay, So so the
views are saying they actually giving praise. Rachel is apparently
doing amazingly in the films.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Yes, we know, he's really great.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
There was a lot of hate towards that film the
beginning of her getting cast in the film. Yeah, and
you know, there's like the underlying tension between her and Gaga.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
So I don't know what what happened with this. So
I knew that the shorter community had a problem because
they were replaced by CGI.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Yeah that's all the drum I know. So I don't
know what I'm actually following. This pretty good. This is
the most hated movie before it's released. Here's the thing.
I'm hoping the movie is actually good because all the
reasons people are hating it has nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
They movie doesn't look I mean, I mean they're saying
that act, which I mean I wish they had.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Real they are they even called what do they call?
That is good? They're not called dwarves in the movie.
They don't want So it's because everything about it they're
trying to be making very modern, but it looks so weird.
But this is the hot take that I have. I
like weird looking ship. I think these little fuckers with

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their big noses and their big.

Speaker 5 (01:14:42):
Like that they accurately towards like what the cartoon was.
But I understand that they should have like gone to like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
One hundred percent. They should I think that these weird
little uh Chris, what is that that that polar express
that kind of given those.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
Did they even use like real people as like standards
for that, because any actually they were supposed to they
were supposed to cast.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
I saw what it was the Magical Snow and the
Seven Magical People or whatever. That was the.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
Biggest mission was not make his stereotypical. I think that's
the biggest things that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
They wanted to make them like they Yeah, just like,
here's to your point, you've made content with weird looking
people as you yourself have looked weird, and people gravitate
towards that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that that that the movie really
should have used. They should have prosthetics. They should have
used seven short, really weird looking people to play these
because it's like me, I'm short. I think it's a
blessing to have access to weird looking actors.

Speaker 5 (01:15:40):
I think that's not even just that the kid just
like us, like make a department, use prosthetics, make them
look like the characters from I'm so done with c
G I after seeing Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, I am done with SAG.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
And we know that there's other movies and films that
are doing so. I think that practical is coming back.
I have some friends who work with Jim Henson, and
I feel like I'm seeing more hens and stuff than ever.
This is actually people hate this. I hate c g
I so much. I will never see g I or
ever use green screen unless it's absolutely necessary.

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
It shouldn't be used when yeah, it should be only
used to to enhance and not as like the base
of the c g I can help if the source
material has enough live action, you know, things for this
cg I to go off of.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
But I think, yeah, snow White, a lot of these
Disney Little Mermaid, a lot of I love the live
action films are terrible. They could be so much better,
I think with more practical saying.

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
They are saying though that this one they're comparing to
the which is like Cinderella has been.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
But you can see the Variety article. It was a
little painful because it was there was this thing that
like all but just got cut down for promotion because
of the controversies.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
That's why it's pop cultural report.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Because they're not doing the marketing, they're only doing one premiere,
they're not flying them around.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
What's that? What's their controversy. It's gonna do it politically,
That's what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
It's it's different political views between Gya and Rachel and
like ye, and I will.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Say that what happened this is because of the cocktails
I just drink. But I could definitely sense a little
bit of tension there. Oh it was like smile for
the picture and then.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Looking down and walking away and you were there, oars
was there.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
And budget for this premiere not Disney level at all,
like I've been to other Disney premieeres.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
Everything. Yeah, I never seen anything.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Two totally separate actors are never going to get cast
for each other's role.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
What is the issue.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
But they filmed a long time ago too, They filmed
it a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Yeah, oh no, we're not gonna talk about that. I
know exactly. Always whispered that, you know. I will say
I saw I saw footage from the premiere and it
did look a little Glasgow's Willewonka experience. It looked like
they just cut the universary.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
I learned for you to do a character like that,
we're going to sit there, not even have any dialog,
just sit there the camera.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Yeah it was fresh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Okay, But are we okay with Hugh Jacqueline playing a
little person in Willy Wonka.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Absolutely, that's Hugh Grant. You Grant, Yeah, Jackman, I would.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Die a smaller person and one of my that's would
be the only.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
But that's really funny because the irony of that is
that Wolverine was supposed to be well, actually irony of
that will Red is actually supposed to be a short
character because he's short in the comics, and so that
was a big deal is that he was like, really,
that's so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Played he played And I wish Tony, can you look
up what the proper because we don't mean to like a.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
Because that's not such respectful.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
No, But Hugh Grant playing that is not a problem
to an about it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
I think I think there's so many talented people who
fit the role that are not that are getting overlooked
because Hugh greg could go fuck off and play anything
he wants.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
He's not their friendlies of people either.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Oh no, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
Also the things that they probably didn't even have anyone
else in the room.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
But I'm just tired of seeing people. I'm tired of
seeing short actors being played by tall actors. If I
just you know, and it's not it doesn't have anything
to do with like, oh, well, acting as a departure,
actings about playing someone who you are. Yeah, but but
who are they gonna play because they can't play the
roles you can. You know, it's like exactly that, exactly,

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it's not gonna happen. So it's like you gotta give
them those roles at the least, especially if you're gonna
replace some of cgi fuckers.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
I'm sorry, Yeah, but it changes the whole narrative because
then we're saying, well, then gay can only play gay,
trans can only play trans, and as a former chunky person,
then we should be putting anybody in a fat suit.
So Christian Bale was one of the best actors. No
matter what what the issue is is like, the main
issue is that hot topic. The main issue is not

(01:20:05):
even just who's being cast in the role. It's that
they're not even having everyone in the room in the
room to audition for it. That's I would be fine
straight tuning. I feel like I'm fine with straight people
playing gay roles. If gay people can equally play as
many straight roles. You get Pigeon because you have Matt Bohmer,
we have Luke Evans, And that's about that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
Bomber and Luke Evans. I.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
I know so many gay actors who are scared come
out as straight because they they're not going to be
cast as straight people, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
And also, while we're on the top, sorry, go ahead, Matt,
Matt Bohmer and and Lou all those other twins you
said they're they're they're They're not people who had to
undergo the queer struggle. They're fucking straight passing they Neil
Patrick Harris, I don't hear any of their names right now.
They they can play anyone they want to. I'm talking
about people who can't change the queer in their voice,

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people who can't change the gay in their face, the
ooster when they walk. There are some people who are
so fucking queer they cannot play a straight person. So
when they're not considered for even the queer people, then
who are they considered for background number nurse number five?
My grandfather fucking playing a Japanese railroad slave because he
kicked it. He was the gong Ringer and the King

(01:21:17):
and I I'm yeah, I Ringer and the King, and
I I met Rogers and Hammerstein like. But the thing is, anyways,
my great grand He's the only other actor in my family.
And I only got roles for slaves and for ship
like that. How that was a long time ago, But
I'm saying queer people are going through that same ship now,

(01:21:39):
where yes, I do feel like straight people, if they
were the perfect fit for that role, let the straight
person play a queer role, but that the same should
go for queer people. And it's not like that right now. Yeah,
I feel like they're really good.

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
I've known people who are casting for goddamn Honda commercials
and they're like, Kenny speaks, Kenny speaks straighter because like
you know what I mean, Like, it's not even about
the character being straight. It's like straightness is always the
stander some people can't talk.

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
It's about the masculinity and like we need to be
appealed to a broader audience.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
And it's just about audience is just for straight people.
It's also about casting directors being so out of touch.
So when I was trying to be an actor in
l A, They're like, do you seek Spanish that was
the biggest thing, yes, or do a Mexican accent.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
I'm like, what does that sound? Because Mexico they just
won't do like.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
I literally, I can't tell you how many times, like,
can you send more ghetto. I'm like, I don't even
know what that means.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
More ghetto, Mexican ghetto, black ghetto. In some parts of
the world, there's Asian ghetto. And I'm just like, never mind,
I'm done. I think I think a lot of casting
directors are all producers. They pigeonhole because they don't fully
know that the sub demographics of voices or people or
just be more authentic, authentic, how you don't understand my culture?

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A god.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
I love Hot Times our final Hot.

Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
I've I had to bring it up because last night
was the iHeartRadio Awards. Yeah, we had a lot of
I mean expected winners. The I don't know Elijah wasn't it.
That is not eligenb that is the that is Benson Booney.
One Song of the Year the Pop Artists and Song

(01:23:20):
of the Year or Pop Song of the Year went
to Espresso for Sabrina Carpenter for for no other reason
that she taught a entire generation to learn not to
say expresso and I'm so tired of hearing express expressout.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Thank you, Sabrina Carpenter. You deserved that win.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
I'm just saying again, certain awards are and paid for it,
and we know on your Iron Radio podcast, you're gonna
be a little well.

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
Tour of the Century because it's lasted. Most of the
century has gone to Taylor Swift for the era's tour.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
She's got a butthole? What did you? Taylor Swift has
to have a but every time Taylor Swift, I'm like,
she that makes fecal matter, that's you know what?

Speaker 5 (01:24:16):
I give it her? She she is like that tour.
How long that tour has been going on. Though it's
been going on for quite a few quite a few years.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
I still couldn't hum you. Taylor Swift song went so
shake it off. If I was in Livermore and somebody
held a gun to my head, I wouldn't be able
to hum.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
I think if you said that Livermore, they would hold
a gun in your hand. Yeah. You guys love, they
love their Taylor's. The last thing you want is a
Swifty on your ass.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
But I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
As Album of the Year went to Billy Eilish for
hit Me Hard and Soft.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
I like Billy Eilish. I like Billy I think she's
such a real musician. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
And then the Innovator Award went to Lady Gaga, who
in her speech she basically, you know, she shunned agism
because people think that, you know, artists age out of
their careers, and she's like, I'm just getting started, which
I really agree.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
I agree that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
I was like, yeah, I feel like we're happy you
were getting another you know, Lady gagas since that has
been Madonna's point for twenty years, it really.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
Uh yeah, yeah, you know, but Donna is still saying
that too. But I also feel like, yeah, yeah, I
think rap is the one genre where I don't want
to see an old one. I don't want to see it.
I wouldn't trust it because the teeth of fall out,
the balls will fall of. Yeah, I just don't trust him.
What do they have to rap about the fucking pudding? Oh?

(01:25:36):
I love that? Right? Yeah? I mean every other show
we could go we could go on to her the last.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
No, no, no, we need to talk about the iHeart and
and uh, you're such a bad influence. I never on
the show.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
God, you know it's true. He does ask me ten
bucks time I'm an influencer. I didn't say I was
a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Millions of Jojo What the hell love? Oh yeah, she's
is she tony? Did I include a pic? So she's
just a joke at this point?

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Why is she trending?

Speaker 5 (01:26:13):
So her going to the radio wars as a huge look,
I mean, this is called I know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
It's like Pacific Sun had a fifty off site.

Speaker 5 (01:26:25):
From Afar kind of looks like the ring light above
your face right now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
So she got torn apart for this, just like every
time she shows up, but it's still keeping her as
a content influencer. Does this anger you because you're like,
what the hell are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
I think I think you should push the limit. I
think look as weird as you want and offend as
many people. I think she's talking about it and if
no one likes her, she's easy to move. You just
grab her by them. And like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
We talked about sincerity and like, if that's your art,
remember when Lady Gaga showed up in Meat, we all believe.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
We're like, yeah, I think one of these that's true.
We did believe everyone. So like your's you can't a stunt?
Or is that her passion? I think it could be both.
I think I think your passion could be stunts. You know,
look at Sasha bar Cohen. He shipped all his premieres
as his character trolling everyone that interviewed him on the

(01:27:21):
red carpet. Really, I think Jojo Seawall, this is her stunt.
She's a clown, she's a drag queen. Let her, let
her suck up and be this weird, uglyly dressed thing
that shows up at least, hey, we're talking about her.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
But she's Baron Cohn. We know Baron Cohen is probably
one of it's not being smart.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Maybe she is being smart.

Speaker 5 (01:27:38):
You know, we all thought Parasite is stupid, and then
the entire character she came up with, like she's like
that's hot, and then she's like pick me up at seven,
like you know, it's Congress and she's like, here's what
I like to talk to me.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
And this woman was raised in the in the limelight.
She knows how to call people's a ten sid and
that's exactly what she's doing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
I think you know what she's doing. Joe Jojo is
part of the YouTube influence her world. She's more cut
from Mike Cloth than the world of MTV, and I
think that people cut from Mike Cloth. We know our
audience is better than most celebrities because we're more in
touch with them. I think Jojo knows her crowd. She
knows what she's doing when she's dressing up like this,
you know, and and we have us fucking old people.

(01:28:19):
Oh yes, the outfit was, Oh is she gonna make this?
She knows what she's doing. She might be a kid,
but she's not a kid anymore. She's fucking mama Sita.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
She said two days later that her mom made that headpiece.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Okay, don't say that, ship, Jojo.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
I think it was her pr and you know, like recovery. No,
she didn't really choose that it was her mom.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Was like, I feel bad for famous people whose parents
are still like that much at all involved in because
I love the emancipation. I didn't come out to my
family until I was famous because I'm like, well, what
are you guys gonna fucking do you?

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
She has her dance mom, so she has like a
product of sort of like you know, your your mom
wanting to live vicariously through your career.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Ship can hate that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
But one of the questions we got was how did
your family ract when you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Got you know, they react the best way possible. They
were supportive, but they stayed the fuck out of my way.
I love my family. They are they are great, and
they are supportive of me. But I see some of
these other celebrities whose families take control of their life,
and I'm so so glad I do not have parents
like that. Yeah, no, I I I love being famous
and free. You know, I don't have someone controlling my image.

(01:29:24):
I don't have an Oh it's lonely as ship. But
you know what else is lonely is is is being
on a jet ski in the middle of a lake.
But that's not fucking fun. I mean, that's not not
fucking fun. I'm just saying fame is like being on
a jet ski. Oh. I feel like I'm on a
jet ski all the time. I go to a con
by myself. It's lonely. It's tiring, but so is being

(01:29:45):
on a jet ski. Let me ask you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
We have to wrap up because Tony has to to
his husband. But I have to know, you know, everybody's like, oh,
snl is like the thing is that on.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
Your living in New York, working for someone else, making
comedy for someone else, on someone else France, and it
wasn't the best, you know. And if I'm not gonna
like France, I'm not gonna like New York. I know everything.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
I have your mugshots from France, yes, yes, yes, yes,
with the black eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
Uh, well guys are black guys? Oh I have black guys. Yes,
there's a lot of black guys where I was staying
in France too, And uh but no, I fucking what
were we just talking about? Mugshots? Blowjob? What were we
just talking about a second ago? Anyway? Yeah, gay rights?
All right, Well that's it. Well that was a great

(01:30:39):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
You never know what's gonna happen on on the rocks.
Sometimes it's like, you know, what do you think?

Speaker 5 (01:30:46):
I like to trickle the pop culture important gets everyone
talking about random stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
I hope we all go to Hell. I really do
I want to. I want to great.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Why was France so bad?

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
France was actually really fun? I shit on France. Well
they're rude, that's they're French. Let it be rude. But
I really did have the best time in Friends. It
was wine and cheese for like a month. You get
like it really is those I don't give a shit.
I know exactly. The stereotypes hold up. I was in Montpellier,
which maybe I don't know if you were in Paris
or somewhere fucking touristy. I was in a place where

(01:31:19):
you go in anyone's kitchen, baguettes in the baskets, and
you have the kitchen full of balsamic and the fridge
and fucking cheeses and fondue. The stereotypes do hold up.
And yes, they smoke cigarettes and they're rude, but I
love them. They're beautiful people too, and they know how
to have a great fucking time partie.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Yeah, okay, we're gonna finish up with this question. Yes,
oh god, Yes, you've been on so many interviews.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
What is that question? You never get asked? And you're like,
why doesn't anybody ask me about this? God, I don't know.
I guess some I guess more personal stuff like what
I like to eat, or my religion or where.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
So let me as as a as a curvy girl. Yes,
so when did that body transition happen? And then so
when I used to perform, I'd be like, my biggest
reward would be like, yeah, Bernaldi's calories on stage and
blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
It's tough, especially if you work on a job where
you're on stage. I've never gotten off stage and been
not starving. Something about doing crowd work. You get off
stage and you're so hungry. It's like you really worked
up an appetite. I just learned to eat Indian food,
and I dropped all the weight dropped off of me.
Indian food has the most flavor and the least amount
of sugar. Couple that with it. A ten minute run.

(01:32:35):
I've never worked out longer than like ten minutes. And
when it comes to card areas serious run If you
run for ten minutes a day, just ten minutes a
day without stopping, just ten minutes, I run my mouth
four hours a day. You're halfway there. Yeah, it looks
like but no, I said, the weight just fell off
of me, Cut out sugar, start running just a little bit.
It just dropped off of me. And it's called puberty. Puberty.

(01:32:57):
I hope to go through that one day. What an interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:33:04):
Here's like I said, you can ask so many questions,
you know, honestly though, this is I'm rarely on a
podcast with other gays, Like almost every podcast I do.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
It's like straight men or women hosts. I liked this.
This is a different kind of flow. You got four
homos and liquor. It doesn't get better.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
On a Wednesday through Friday night. Not that people need
to know, but where can people find it?

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Oh? Just any search bar Brandon Rogers. You type in
the name and good luck with what you find. Yeah,
R O G E R S. Don't put he's taking
the d I've taken the d O MG. I do

(01:33:54):
have her on the top side. But you know what,
if I love someone enough, I'll let them do whatever
they want to my body.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Andy, tell us where we can find and follow you.

Speaker 4 (01:34:07):
Well, you can find me at Andy Mancer, but I'm
not everywhere. I'm very secret any delusive?

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Do you have a final question for Brandon?

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
I do. Actually, I've been thinking about.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
Tony's Like, I'm sorry, I'll keep this sort but you know,
if a Sena was not it, Like, you've accomplished so much.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
What do you What do you want at this point? Yeah?
I kind of am just doing what I want. I
realized at some point in life it's not about the destination.
It's it's about how how can I do what I love?
For as long as possible, and I get to be
a different person every week, and I get to do
it on my own time, with my own crew. And
then on weekends I get to go to conventions and

(01:34:48):
meet the fans that watch the video. I really but
that happens a year after year. Yeah, so what is what?
What's your goal? I will never say no to Netflix
or Amazon or who any of the titans. I would
love to you know, everyone. I feel like I'm past
the point where people get books or comedy specials, book deals.
I'm like, where the fuck are mine? I don't know.

(01:35:08):
I want a ghost writer. I want to say that
I wrote something that I didn't and I want to
I would love a comedy special on Netflix netflick, what
the fuck Netflix? But I think that's like the next step.
I don't know. I'm honestly anywhere anyone that will give
me money to be weird. I say, I do say
yes to to everything. That's why I'm here. Are you

(01:35:28):
a guest judge on? I can see that even Dragula
isn't wouldn't that be fun?

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
I'm good friends with Anthony. All my friends have been
guest judges on fucking dragula. I know it's not, but
I'm a fucking faggot and I want to be a
guest judge on one of these drag fucking competitions. They've
had Anthony Padilla on there, and he's a fucking breeder.
Are you listening? He did interview me. I'm actually saying,

(01:35:57):
how is he straight with that hairdoo? We're not even
He's about as straight as baby no money. You know
this weird section of the internet that's like, oh, I'm straight,
but I also do whatever for when i'm paid. It's
an Alan wrench as we speak. I'm scared Stephen.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Where can people find him?

Speaker 5 (01:36:16):
Do you know Stephen Taylor? Only Stephen Taylor on Instagram
and yeah, Stephen Taylor on.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
Twitter and YouTube. Look at his piano playing. I do
have some piano videos on YouTube. I should probably start
uploading some more. You spell your name right to look
at that v and not that pH ship. I don't
like phs Steven's. Let's spell it like that. Yeah, guess
apparently it's an East Coast thing.

Speaker 5 (01:36:41):
My family's from Island, New York, and so I have
like ornaments from when I was a child that spelled
incorrectly because that's what they thought it was you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
He spelled like, but I guess that's what it's. Sorry,
Stephen Clark, Stephen.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
I'm glad we have this kind of talk. Last few
episodes have been very like Broadway, like, oh, oh my god,
it's a good kiki.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Yeah, it's a really good kiky.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
I really appreciate all of you guys sharing your stories.
You know, this is what keeps us going and right
now with what's happening, it's very very important. So thank
you to you Ban podcast studios. If you want your
story told, you better contact us.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
Yeah that's a wrap.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Okay, it's always like I said, Okay, big thank you
to Engineering Station. Sweet please like, share and subscribe. We're
bringing the show to you for free. So stay sexy,
stay healthy, and if you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
Drink, stay tipsy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
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