September 22, 2022 • 17 mins
Patsy Conte, a wealthy heroin dealer and friend of the Gambios, doesn't seem to be treating John Gotti the same as he did Paul. Sammy is assigned to straighten out the confusion.
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(00:00):
Hi, guys. Myself was readingsome of the texas that come to me
(00:22):
and I read them, and there'sa lot of people asking me about Patsy
Conti, if there's a Patsy Contistory, So I thought I would tell
one that I know. Patsy Contiwas a captain in the Gambino family.
(00:44):
In his true most of them wereguys from Sicily, from Italy, off
the boat type of people. Wewould call them the grease balls, but
that's what they were, and theywere under him in that crew. And
he was a very wealthy, verypowerful guy. At one point he owned
(01:08):
or he was one of the majorplayers in key food stores. There were
big supermarkets in New York. Idon't know if they still around. I
think he owned eighteen or nineteen ofthem. He would give Paul Castellano a
fucking car for Christmas. A lotof guys will get annoyed because, I
(01:30):
mean, how do you compare withthe gift the guy comes in, he
gives you a fucking Mercedes Benz andyou're gonna come in with a small little
envelope or something. I mean,you know it's but that's what happened.
A lot of people knew that hewas also in the drug business in Italy.
(01:57):
That's Sicilian mafia. It's literally okay, it's not against their rules to
deal heroin to the United States.An old guy who was in Patsy County's
crew, I found out later wasthe guy where this heroin was sent to
(02:22):
him. They had pizza eas indifferent states in the United States and it
would come in as pizza sauce inthese big cans. They'd opened those cans
and there was a big of heroinin there, and then they would call
people in New York. People wouldgo down, pick it up, bring
(02:43):
it in, and they'd get ridof this stuff. Word had it that
Patsy County would give a package ofmoney every once in a while to the
boss, and I mean a satchelof money cash, and we talked about
(03:09):
it a little bit. John Gottitalked about it before the Castellano hit.
Frank Nachico myself. Rumor goes around, no proof of it, but rumor
had it. I don't know ifhe was bringing in a package of cash.
(03:30):
There's big from Key Foods, butthat's possible too. After the Castellano
hit and we took over, drugswere against our rules. That's why John
Gotti and everybody was in trouble.And when we took over, we wanted
(03:53):
to keep that room in place.We weren't about to kill somebody. If
they did something with drugs or color, you're not allowed to take it,
but they're not even allowed to dealit or be part of it in any
way. And that's what had Johnin trouble. That's what actually caused a
(04:14):
lot of investigation, indictments, andthe downfall of Podcastler. That was one
of the major reasons for it happened. So we took over. This was
after now Frankie Chico was killed.He was underbuss. It was me and
John Gotti against the world. Toreplace Franki Nachico, we put in a
(04:40):
guy, an old time captain namedJoe Piney. This guy originally was arrested
for the pizza connection case from heroincoming in from France to the United States
to his crew. They got arrestedfor it. The whole family was shaking
(05:02):
that Paul just got killed. Fourmonths later, Frankie n Chico is killed.
Looks like the war is breaking outand getting real serious. Everybody's getting
jittery. So John told me,I'm gonna put Piney in as the underbuster,
replace Frankie. But it's me andyou running the family because all the
(05:28):
old times know him, they trusthim. He's a kind old man.
It'll settle everything down, I said. I agree. I agree. That's
a good strategy. He said,But it's me and you, Sammy.
There's a bunch of stories with meand Angelo and Joe Piney, and there's
(05:49):
a bunch of stories with that.But I'll get to that at another time.
John calls me one day and Katihad come down to the club and
we were running the family, andhe says, go grab him and the
(06:14):
old guy with the white hair.That was the guy who brought the arrow
with it. So he says,we're not allowing drugs, even though John's
whole fucking crew was in drugs,and that's another whole story. But tell
them what they were doing while Paulwas alive. They're not doing with us,
(06:40):
with me, meaning John, givethem a nod, tell them to
continue what was going on and bringhim the packages. You want me too,
okay, a heroin dealing. Iwant you to give him the message
(07:06):
and if anything backfire is I couldblame you say. It wasn't me,
was Sammy. I made him stop. You're not gonna get right, But
I have some way out of itthat it's not me doing it, it's
you. I get it, okay. So I said, listen, I
(07:29):
was in the club. I wentover to Patchy Cotte said, listen,
I need to talk to you outside. Let's take a walk. So the
old man was sitting with him withthe white hair was sitting with him too.
I said, you too, getup, come outside with me.
So the two of them walked outsidewith me and we took a walk around
the block and I said, weknow what you were doing with Paul,
(07:58):
the money that you were bringing in. We know what you were doing.
What do you mean, Sammy?You were bringing in packages of money,
That's what the fuck I mean.You were bringing it to him, but
you're not bringing it to John.Why no, No, Sammy, I
(08:20):
know what people think. We don'tdo that. All right. We're gonna
investigate if you did it, andyou're lying to us, not because you
did it, not because you're goingto continue doing it, but for lying
(08:43):
to me. And I'll bring thatline back to John. I think you're
gonna get killed for that. Life. The old man who was a made
guy but not a captain, andhe said, could I say something?
(09:05):
He said it to Patsy Conty.Patsy says, go ahead, and he
says, I'm the guy who bringsit it. And we did make packages
of money that went up, butwe stopped at the end when he got
in trouble because of John and Andrewwith Girio's tapes, and we were told
(09:31):
never to do it again. Andyou listened. Yes, I respect that.
I respect that you're being honest.Here's what I'm telling you. Continue
doing what you were doing. Idon't want to know about it. I
(09:56):
don't want to talk about it.I'm not going to put up money for
it. I want you to comewith that package of money to me.
Now, Patrick Conti butts in andsays, what about John. Don't worry
about John. Bring it to me. If you have a problem from the
(10:26):
Commission or anyone, it's not John. You didn't give him a diamond.
You gave it to me. That'smy problem. Your problem is to not
talk to John, don't ever bringit up, and don't bring him the
(10:50):
money. Bring it to me.You're out is me. Your problem is
me if you don't do the rightthing and you don't tell the truth,
you're man. It's free and clear. He was honest. You started this
(11:13):
conversation with a life. But Idon't have a good memory. I forgot
that lie already. I never heardwhat you said. You're just going to
bring me money? Are we good? Absolutely grabbed my hand with both of
(11:35):
his hands and kissed me on bothof my cheeks. Grease ball, SI,
I get it, said, Iunderstand the old man, same thing.
Thank you so much? Good?So we go back. Did this
(11:58):
conversation I shouldn't happen? Or wasI how a dream? I don't think
I had this dream, but Idid say I have a little memory of
this, But I don't think Iremember this dream. Patsy Corti's got a
smile from here there. The oldman, Sammy, John picked someone in
(12:30):
you. He made a great pick. What about Joe Piney and everybody else?
I turned around. Do you seeJoe Piney? No? Then,
(12:52):
what do you mean? What aboutJoe Piney? He's not in this conversation,
is he know? I think he'sa nice man. I think he's
a good man. I think he'sloyal to John he's over me, but
(13:13):
I think he's loyal to me too. Do you want to talk more about
Joe Pining? No? No,we understand, Okay, good, we
love. One package came down acouple of weeks later. It wasn't I
(13:37):
don't think it was as big asPaul's package. I think they did walk
away. Then I think they startedagain. It was a smaller package.
He gave it to me. Ihave no idea till today how much was
in it. I know there wasmoney in it, but I have no
(13:58):
idea how much was smaller? AndI gave it to John. He never
told me what was in it.I never asked who was none of my
business. He actually did me afavor. I was very uncomfortable in the
(14:22):
middle of a heroine situation, butI convinced myself the only thing it would
be is me getting a package occasionallyand giving it to John. Mentally,
I am saying to myself, I'mnot in the drug business. Legally,
(14:46):
I think the law would have adifferent idea of that. But at that
point in my life, I didn'tgive a fuck what the law thought.
I know what I thought. Therewas many many more meetings with them.
I never brought another package. Ibelieve it went through one of his brothers.
(15:07):
The reason it did that, Johnsaid, are you uncomfortable with this
situation? What situation with Patsy Conny? I don't even know what you're talking
about? John left, Are youmade that you didn't get anything. I
(15:35):
don't know what you're talking about.It never happened. Great, it never
happened. Whatever you're talking about,it never happened. I did talk to
the agents about it a little bit. I don't think I went in such
detail. It wasn't important to themat that time as it is to you,
(16:03):
guys, my family, you peoplewho joined me on Patreon, you're
the people who ask me. It'llcome out on YouTube, but it'll come
out in different places. But I'mgiving this to you as close to detail
as I could possibly remember. Ourrelationship with Patchy Conty fell apart because of
(16:30):
a situation somebody in his crew,a guy named Louis de Bono. He
was killed by us, John Gotti, me and our family. That is
a whole nother story that is goingto be built into my podcast, So
(16:52):
I'm not going to get into it. And for you guys who want to
hear the podcast. It's coming outMonday on Patreon. You'll get it on
YouTube on Friday, but if youwant to get it early, go to
Patreon. If you're listening on YouTube, hit like and subscribe. And if
(17:18):
you want to become part of theGravano family, go on Patreon and you
could hear this ad free audios.Motherfucker
Hi, guys. Myself was readingsome of the texas that come to me
(00:22):
and I read them, and there'sa lot of people asking me about Patsy
Conti, if there's a Patsy Contistory, So I thought I would tell
one that I know. Patsy Contiwas a captain in the Gambino family.
(00:44):
In his true most of them wereguys from Sicily, from Italy, off
the boat type of people. Wewould call them the grease balls, but
that's what they were, and theywere under him in that crew. And
he was a very wealthy, verypowerful guy. At one point he owned
(01:08):
or he was one of the majorplayers in key food stores. There were
big supermarkets in New York. Idon't know if they still around. I
think he owned eighteen or nineteen ofthem. He would give Paul Castellano a
fucking car for Christmas. A lotof guys will get annoyed because, I
(01:30):
mean, how do you compare withthe gift the guy comes in, he
gives you a fucking Mercedes Benz andyou're gonna come in with a small little
envelope or something. I mean,you know it's but that's what happened.
A lot of people knew that hewas also in the drug business in Italy.
(01:57):
That's Sicilian mafia. It's literally okay, it's not against their rules to
deal heroin to the United States.An old guy who was in Patsy County's
crew, I found out later wasthe guy where this heroin was sent to
(02:22):
him. They had pizza eas indifferent states in the United States and it
would come in as pizza sauce inthese big cans. They'd opened those cans
and there was a big of heroinin there, and then they would call
people in New York. People wouldgo down, pick it up, bring
(02:43):
it in, and they'd get ridof this stuff. Word had it that
Patsy County would give a package ofmoney every once in a while to the
boss, and I mean a satchelof money cash, and we talked about
(03:09):
it a little bit. John Gottitalked about it before the Castellano hit.
Frank Nachico myself. Rumor goes around, no proof of it, but rumor
had it. I don't know ifhe was bringing in a package of cash.
(03:30):
There's big from Key Foods, butthat's possible too. After the Castellano
hit and we took over, drugswere against our rules. That's why John
Gotti and everybody was in trouble.And when we took over, we wanted
(03:53):
to keep that room in place.We weren't about to kill somebody. If
they did something with drugs or color, you're not allowed to take it,
but they're not even allowed to dealit or be part of it in any
way. And that's what had Johnin trouble. That's what actually caused a
(04:14):
lot of investigation, indictments, andthe downfall of Podcastler. That was one
of the major reasons for it happened. So we took over. This was
after now Frankie Chico was killed.He was underbuss. It was me and
John Gotti against the world. Toreplace Franki Nachico, we put in a
(04:40):
guy, an old time captain namedJoe Piney. This guy originally was arrested
for the pizza connection case from heroincoming in from France to the United States
to his crew. They got arrestedfor it. The whole family was shaking
(05:02):
that Paul just got killed. Fourmonths later, Frankie n Chico is killed.
Looks like the war is breaking outand getting real serious. Everybody's getting
jittery. So John told me,I'm gonna put Piney in as the underbuster,
replace Frankie. But it's me andyou running the family because all the
(05:28):
old times know him, they trusthim. He's a kind old man.
It'll settle everything down, I said. I agree. I agree. That's
a good strategy. He said,But it's me and you, Sammy.
There's a bunch of stories with meand Angelo and Joe Piney, and there's
(05:49):
a bunch of stories with that.But I'll get to that at another time.
John calls me one day and Katihad come down to the club and
we were running the family, andhe says, go grab him and the
(06:14):
old guy with the white hair.That was the guy who brought the arrow
with it. So he says,we're not allowing drugs, even though John's
whole fucking crew was in drugs,and that's another whole story. But tell
them what they were doing while Paulwas alive. They're not doing with us,
(06:40):
with me, meaning John, givethem a nod, tell them to
continue what was going on and bringhim the packages. You want me too,
okay, a heroin dealing. Iwant you to give him the message
(07:06):
and if anything backfire is I couldblame you say. It wasn't me,
was Sammy. I made him stop. You're not gonna get right, But
I have some way out of itthat it's not me doing it, it's
you. I get it, okay. So I said, listen, I
(07:29):
was in the club. I wentover to Patchy Cotte said, listen,
I need to talk to you outside. Let's take a walk. So the
old man was sitting with him withthe white hair was sitting with him too.
I said, you too, getup, come outside with me.
So the two of them walked outsidewith me and we took a walk around
the block and I said, weknow what you were doing with Paul,
(07:58):
the money that you were bringing in. We know what you were doing.
What do you mean, Sammy?You were bringing in packages of money,
That's what the fuck I mean.You were bringing it to him, but
you're not bringing it to John.Why no, No, Sammy, I
(08:20):
know what people think. We don'tdo that. All right. We're gonna
investigate if you did it, andyou're lying to us, not because you
did it, not because you're goingto continue doing it, but for lying
(08:43):
to me. And I'll bring thatline back to John. I think you're
gonna get killed for that. Life. The old man who was a made
guy but not a captain, andhe said, could I say something?
(09:05):
He said it to Patsy Conty.Patsy says, go ahead, and he
says, I'm the guy who bringsit it. And we did make packages
of money that went up, butwe stopped at the end when he got
in trouble because of John and Andrewwith Girio's tapes, and we were told
(09:31):
never to do it again. Andyou listened. Yes, I respect that.
I respect that you're being honest.Here's what I'm telling you. Continue
doing what you were doing. Idon't want to know about it. I
(09:56):
don't want to talk about it.I'm not going to put up money for
it. I want you to comewith that package of money to me.
Now, Patrick Conti butts in andsays, what about John. Don't worry
about John. Bring it to me. If you have a problem from the
(10:26):
Commission or anyone, it's not John. You didn't give him a diamond.
You gave it to me. That'smy problem. Your problem is to not
talk to John, don't ever bringit up, and don't bring him the
(10:50):
money. Bring it to me.You're out is me. Your problem is
me if you don't do the rightthing and you don't tell the truth,
you're man. It's free and clear. He was honest. You started this
(11:13):
conversation with a life. But Idon't have a good memory. I forgot
that lie already. I never heardwhat you said. You're just going to
bring me money? Are we good? Absolutely grabbed my hand with both of
(11:35):
his hands and kissed me on bothof my cheeks. Grease ball, SI,
I get it, said, Iunderstand the old man, same thing.
Thank you so much? Good?So we go back. Did this
(11:58):
conversation I shouldn't happen? Or wasI how a dream? I don't think
I had this dream, but Idid say I have a little memory of
this, But I don't think Iremember this dream. Patsy Corti's got a
smile from here there. The oldman, Sammy, John picked someone in
(12:30):
you. He made a great pick. What about Joe Piney and everybody else?
I turned around. Do you seeJoe Piney? No? Then,
(12:52):
what do you mean? What aboutJoe Piney? He's not in this conversation,
is he know? I think he'sa nice man. I think he's
a good man. I think he'sloyal to John he's over me, but
(13:13):
I think he's loyal to me too. Do you want to talk more about
Joe Pining? No? No,we understand, Okay, good, we
love. One package came down acouple of weeks later. It wasn't I
(13:37):
don't think it was as big asPaul's package. I think they did walk
away. Then I think they startedagain. It was a smaller package.
He gave it to me. Ihave no idea till today how much was
in it. I know there wasmoney in it, but I have no
(13:58):
idea how much was smaller? AndI gave it to John. He never
told me what was in it.I never asked who was none of my
business. He actually did me afavor. I was very uncomfortable in the
(14:22):
middle of a heroine situation, butI convinced myself the only thing it would
be is me getting a package occasionallyand giving it to John. Mentally,
I am saying to myself, I'mnot in the drug business. Legally,
(14:46):
I think the law would have adifferent idea of that. But at that
point in my life, I didn'tgive a fuck what the law thought.
I know what I thought. Therewas many many more meetings with them.
I never brought another package. Ibelieve it went through one of his brothers.
(15:07):
The reason it did that, Johnsaid, are you uncomfortable with this
situation? What situation with Patsy Conny? I don't even know what you're talking
about? John left, Are youmade that you didn't get anything. I
(15:35):
don't know what you're talking about.It never happened. Great, it never
happened. Whatever you're talking about,it never happened. I did talk to
the agents about it a little bit. I don't think I went in such
detail. It wasn't important to themat that time as it is to you,
(16:03):
guys, my family, you peoplewho joined me on Patreon, you're
the people who ask me. It'llcome out on YouTube, but it'll come
out in different places. But I'mgiving this to you as close to detail
as I could possibly remember. Ourrelationship with Patchy Conty fell apart because of
(16:30):
a situation somebody in his crew,a guy named Louis de Bono. He
was killed by us, John Gotti, me and our family. That is
a whole nother story that is goingto be built into my podcast, So
(16:52):
I'm not going to get into it. And for you guys who want to
hear the podcast. It's coming outMonday on Patreon. You'll get it on
YouTube on Friday, but if youwant to get it early, go to
Patreon. If you're listening on YouTube, hit like and subscribe. And if
(17:18):
you want to become part of theGravano family, go on Patreon and you
could hear this ad free audios.Motherfucker
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