September 8, 2022 • 32 mins
Sammy introduces us to a couple of new, and super dangerous, mafiosos: Dominick “Mimi” Scialo and Vincent “Jimmy” Rotondo. These wise guys are all tied together in a slew of different crimes including the Dunn brother case.
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He must have known the people whowere going to talk to him. He
stopped his car. He had somegroceries, some fish from the fish market
and on the passenger seat, andthey opened up on him and shot him
a whole bunch of times and killedhim. Hey, guys, I got
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a story today that is phenomenal.I was talking about a guy, Jimmy
Rotunda, who became the underboss ofthe Decavalcanti family. When I was starting
to talk about him and his story, Peanuts asked me questions like who was
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he and how did you know him? And it really woke me up to
my first meeting with him and whyit happened. So this is going to
be a long, complicated story.You have to follow us closely. There's
a lot of twists and turns init. So how does this story start?
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Where do I start it? JimmyRotanda became the underbuss of the Cavalcanti
family. One day when he wasgoing home, he stopped his car.
He had a Lincoln that he usedto drive. I know him very well,
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and you'll see why and how hemust have known the people who were
going to talk to him. Hestopped his car. He had some groceries,
some fish from the fish market onthe passenger seat, and they opened
up and shot him a whole bunchof times and killed him. It was
an underboss. Me and John Gottiwent to the funeral. John Riggy was
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the boss of the Decvalcanti family atthat time, was at the funeral.
He took me and John on thesite and he told us that he was
super concerned if they could take outthe under boss. I'm probably next.
Really shooken up by this. Alot of people at the funeral. We
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talked to him on the site.John said, listen, don't worry about
it. We got your back.The de Cavalcanti family don't have a commission
seat. The five New York familieshave a seat. Each one of them
have a seat. That's the commission. So we were going to represent him.
John was going to represent him atthe commission investigate this hit. And
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he felt really comfortable with that.He already knew how close I was with
Jimmy Rotunda because of a lot ofthings. And you'll see. We left
the funeral, and I understand thatJohn had a commission meeting. I wasn't
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there, but he had told thecommission asked them who did this? Nobody
seemed to know. It was obviouslya sneak hit, could have been internal.
We didn't know what it was.Nobody knew what it was, but
we were on god to try tofind out who did this. So I'm
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gonna go back to when I methim and why and how, me my
Gumbada, Alley Boy, and LouisMelito. I'm not going to get too
in depth with this because you heardthis story. We're indicted with a guy
named Larry Martiri. None of us, including Larry Marty, supposedly at that
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time, said he knew anything aboutit. But later we found out when
we were out on bail we wereabout to fight the case. It took
a long time. Then he kneweverything about it. The witness, a
guy named Michael Hardy, is theguy who talked about this whole case,
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how we all got indicted all forus. I refresh your recollection with Michael
Hardy. He's the guy who wouldgive He knew Louis Melito very well.
He would give us stick ups.The story the hostage gone bed where the
girl jumped on my chest and wewent in and took this group. Michael
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he gave us that robber and manymany more and me and Ali Boy would
commit them. So Michael Hardy's storywas that he was in a pizzeria and
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Corney Allen and the case was thathe sat down with Mimmi Scala, a
captain, a very dangerous captain inthe Colombo family, and these Dune brothers
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owed Mimi money and they didn't payhim. Some bullshit story like that.
Supposedly, this is Michael Hardy's storythat Louis Melito came into that meeting,
was called in by Mimmi. Mimmisaid he was going to pay him money
to have the Dune brothers killed,but not Both of them won and he
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gave his name. Michael Hardy tellsMimmy that Louise got a couple of guys
around him, good friends of histhat are shooters, Sammy the Bolt and
Ali Boy. Como. This ison our indictment. Now, none of
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us knew what was going on.It was really hard to fight the case.
I didn't think of a video aboutthis too. I wound up beating
it. Then we come to findout why did he do this? Why
did Michael Hardy do this? MichaelHardy is in prison on other charges.
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Some guy was banging his wife.He was on the lamb. He comes
back in, knocks on the guy'sdoor and shoots him four five times and
kills him. He goes after thisguy with Larry Marty, one of Larry
Marty's best friends, right hand man. He snatches him. He brings him
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in an apartment, ties him ina bad tub to the stop to the
shower, tied up like this,turns the hot water on full blast.
He wants information from him. He'sbeating him with a gun and he's being
cooked with this hot water. Theguy is screaming, moaning, crying.
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He says, I'm going to giveyou one more chance. It's a long
barrel gun. He sticks the barrelup his ass all the way up.
The guy literally is fainting's passing out. He yanks the gun out and all
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his intestines or whatever it is,just rips him apart. Leaves him in
there so badly beaten, burnt,bleeding from the rector. He leaves him
for dead. The guy don't die. He survives, goes to the hospital.
God knows how long he's in thehospital, but he tells Larry Martery.
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Larry Morty gets in touch with him, he's always had a connection with
him, and tells him that hehas a big score, that he needs
him, and he makes an appointmentto meet him somewhere. Michael Hardy comes
into that meeting. He's arrested bya slew of detectives. Were guns out.
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He got sucked into a meeting andLarry Mortey has actually set him up.
It's ratting, and the guy whogot tortured he's going to testify against
them. Michael Hardy calls me froma prison and tells me I need your
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help. I know prison phones aremonitored. I'm not stupid, so I
said, how could I help you? And he says, I need you
to kill Larry Morty and go afterthe kid's name, the guys and the
other guy's name, Molly Torture.I said, listen, I have no
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idea what the fuck you're talking about. I don't do stupid shit like that.
You must be playing right, you'rejoking with me. I want to
talk into that microphone. I'm gonnashow I have nothing to do in out
that. I don't know what he'stalking about. I know it's being taped.
So I'm not going to just hangup on him. So I'm saying,
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listen, I would help you.But I don't even know what you're
talking about, and I don't dothings like that, Bro, I don't
know why you would say that tome. He's talking a little bit more.
I talked a little bit more,and then I said hello, Hello,
Hello, and I hang up sothey could keep that tape and stick
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it up in their ass whoever's listeningon the other But I called Louis Melito
an alley boy, and I tellboth of them, this guy lost his
mind. Bro. This is whathe told me on the phone in the
prison, on the fucking tape.Don't answer the phone if he calls now
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we were doing robberies with him,don't do it. Something's radically wrong for
him to talk like that. Makeyour wife answer the phone, both of
them. I'm tone, and ifit's him, all she's got to do
is say, listen, he's nothome and hang up on him. Unbeknownst
to me, one of our phonesis bugged. We didn't say nothing wrong.
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I didn't say nothing wrong. Sonobody's gonna get pinched, nobody's gonna
get hurt. But here's what thecops do. They take that tape,
they bring it to him and theyshow him this tape. Oh, this
fucking Sammy. I called him upfor helpe, and look, he's double
cross at me. He's mad atme, Louis and Ali Bud. So
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he makes up this fictitious story toget out of prison. Now he cooperates
with the government that it's not thegovernment's a state it was a state case,
and tells him this fictitious story.It took a long time to find
this all out, about this meetingand about the dumb brothers. Now he
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also puts Mimi in it. Mimmy'sthis powerful, vicious captain in the Colombo
family. So when I told thisstory, I never told you about Mimmy,
But I'm telling you about him nowhe's on my indictment. So four
of us are on this indictment,not just me. Ali Boy and Louie
were in jail, but Mammy wasn'tin jail. God knows where he was
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in prison. Me, Louie andAli Boy talked every time Mammy gets arrested,
and he's got a case before hegoes to trial. His co defenders
just seemed to disappear, he getsrid of them, he has a better
chance at a case he kills them. That just going on the lamb.
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That God, he's got a habitof doing that. We knew that,
We talked about it. What arewe gonna do, Bro, Not only
we don't know about this case,but this fucking guy, we can't just
sit around, bro, really disappear. So we agreed in prison. As
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soon as we get out, we'regonna make him disappear. We're gonna reverse
this. We're not gonna wait tobe killed because he don't trust us.
Fuck him, We're gonna kill him. We make a pack amongst the three
of us, and we're gonna killhim. Unbeknownst to us because of his
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viciousness and killing people on the recordoff the record, the Colombo family had
already killed him before the indictment,and he was missing, so his days
of making people missing, he becamemissing unbeknownst to us. At that point.
We will concerned when we got out, where is he? What is
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he thinking? We got a nudge. He ain't thinking nothing, Bro,
He's missing. He ain't coming back. Music twer is now. All we
had to do is fight a statecase. That we had no fucking clue
what went on. We had fiftytwo court appearances. They said, separated
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the trials. Larry Montery went ourtrial alone, and then they were gonna
have a trial with me, AliBoy and Louis leto two separate trials.
Larry beat the case, had moneyhigh, asked lawyers. He beat the
case. We were on there andwe beat the case. But we knew
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all the details, like I'm tellingyou now. Back then, I knew
it like I know it right now. Case over. My Gumbada Alley Boy
was with the Genevese people. Hewas with this guy, Joey Mann was
a made guy. My Gumbardo wasn'tmade. And Joey Man's captain. I
forgot his name. This is inseventy three, seventy four, some place.
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I forgot his name. They tookhim down. He was replaced with
a guy named Tommy Lombardo, whotook became the captain. When he died,
Sally Doggs became the captain. Butthat's all not that important. What
is important is the case is over. We celebrate. Ali Boys got to
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go to his people. Me andLouis Belito in the Gambino family. We're
gonna go to Tatto. Toto's superhappy we beat this case. I mean,
he did everything to help us.He was sick that we were on
this fucking drug, and he knewand leaved every minute of it that we
didn't know what the fuck was goingon. There was no reason for us
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to hide from him. We didwork, there was no reason to hide,
and he was super happy. Some and Louis met with him and
we said, listen, case over, everybody's happy. We tell him the
whole entire story were told to himin stages. He knew in different pieces.
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We want to kill Labrymntery. Hemay believe he didn't know what was
going on. He set the guyup with his guy. We know all
the whole story. If he wouldhave and he never told us, he
would have never took We would havefound been found guilty. We would have
been life without parole with the stateand never even knew why. We want
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to kill him. Who's he with? He's with the de Cavalcanti family.
He's with this guy, his nameis Danny Nunziato. Him and this guy
Corky. Remember Corky. I dida thing about him a while ago.
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Corky wasn't a big guy at thatpoint, but he was a very powerful
guy. He was Danny Nunziato's brotherin law. So Totto's gonna call for
a sitdown. The Genevese people getin touch with Totto because of Alley Boy.
We'll give you the lead. Whateveryou come to an agreement with them,
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I'm in it. If you getyou want to usually gonna get wind
them sit down and kill this guy. I'll give Alley Boy permission to work
with Sammy and Louis. Ali Boyis with us now in these conversations,
and Tato's heading in. Danny Nunziatois a may guy. Tattle's a captain.
So Danny's gonna come down with hiscaptain. Who is his captain,
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Jimmy will Tardler. At that time, he wasn't the underboss. He was
a captain, and he came downreal nice guy, great guy, great
reputation. Gentlemen. Tyler and themtalk. There isn't enough evidence for us
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to kill him. Their argument ishe stood up. He's not a rat.
He stood up, he went totrial. He didn't set him up.
That's a lie. Maybe the kidwho got snatched, did it.
He's blaming, always blaming somebody else. Anyway, we lose the sit down,
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we lose the decision. Tyler agrees, he is went through hell.
It's over. Let's end it.Stay away from this lobry mantea. The
answer is no. Told my gumbaAllei boy, and go back and talk
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to your people and tell him that'swhat I ruled for us. Alley Boy
said he here. They already agree. Whatever you're ruling is they about,
they'll abide by it. So I'mnot gonna be hon it either. And
that's how I met Jimmy Rotunda.That's the whole story leading up to Jimmy
rotunda is death. But there's alittle bit more after that. That was
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in seventy four and seventy six.I got made. I believe he was
killed in eighty eight something like that. Within that time frame, me and
him became very friendly. As soonas he heard I got made, he
sent for me, and he becameHe wasn't the captain, number was the
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under boss. Call me congratulations seventysix. These guys are good guys.
Bro stood up. You did theright thing, and then you did the
right thing asking for this guy's life. But you know, some things you
know don't always go your way,and you took it like men. And
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I told him that's why we're here, respective of life. And then I
got a little stronger and started playingwith unions and construction and all of these
things. And he was very powerfulwith unions, the long Shoreman's Union.
We had a good hunker at hehad it in Jersey, and I became
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more and more powerful and more andmore friendly with him. He had a
concrete He had a company that wasa concrete company in Coney Allen. We
the New York families controlled the concretecompanies. You weren't allowed in from Jersey.
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You weren't allowed in. This guywas in Coney Allen with a small,
little bullshit company. We allowed itto stay there. But you can't
grow. You can't become one ofthe big guys. He wanted to become
a little bit bigger. And hesaid, Sammy, could you help me
with the whole group. You havethe families and everybody. You're very strong
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with Paul with the concrete. Idon't want to become one of the big
guys, my guy, but Iwould love for him to expand a little
bit, and it's not really goingto take anything off of anybody's plate.
I liked them, and I said, Jimmy, let me think about it,
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let me see what I could do. I had a meeting with people
from the Lokazi family, the Colombofamily. Colombo family had pretty good relationships
with so I said, listen,it's a good guy. It's a small
little company in Coney Island. Ithink it's actually part of bensonhist Brooklyn.
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I'll make him expand in Benson HeistBrooklyn, I'll make him expand. And
people want to do a concrete jobat sidewalk patio, small jobs. He
won't bid big jobs. So it'sreally not taking nothing away from us a
little bit maybe, And who's takenaway from the most is me because I'm
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in Benson Heist so Be He'll beinfringing on my turf a little bit,
and I don't mind. I thinkwe should be. I convinced them that's
the way you fail, Sammy,and you're gonna get right more than anybody
else. It's not really hurt,you're gonna it was a little bit of
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the party crumbs to me, Ifelt. So they agreed. Paul was
aware and Todd I was aware ofwhat I was doing in my conversations at
all at all times. They alwayswere. I never did things off the
record or things on my own.I went back to Paul and told them.
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Paul, they agreed, this iswhat I could do, and I
would make them expand a little bit. Small jobs. You're gonna hurt nobody,
you know, and it'll be anhour area of my area. It'll
be a little less to me,a little less to you. That's great,
Sammy. I love that negotiation,the way you did it and handled
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it. The guy is an underboss, even though they're not under commission
the guys are under boss. Great. Great, so I expanded. So
I had an ongoing relationship whatever.After Paul was gone, John became the
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boss and a lot of good thingswere done back and forth, and John
appreciated that I have this real close, tight relationship with an under boss of
another family. They became very closeto us. Like I said, as
soon as he was killed, hewent right up John's behind, riggy.
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He was like our little puppy,good boy, nice boy. I don't
want to belittle him, but that'swhat it is. That's what happened.
So John was happy, not onlybefore he died, that I had a
connection with them, a strong connection, but that we were if we needed
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help on the piers. We rana good part of the piers, but
Jersey and some peers, they ranstuff out there, so it was a
help to us. So he likedall of those connects. But now he
was dead. So that's how Iknow jim by Rotunda. His son was
a made guy. He made him. He was a made guy after his
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father's death. I became a littlefriendly with him, not too much,
but a little bit, because Iwas close with his dad and he knew
it. A while later he becamea captain. So that's how I know
Jim by Rotunda. His son wasa mad guy. He made him.
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He was a made guy after hisfather's death. I became a little friendly
with him, not too much,but a little bit because I was close
with his dad and he knew it. A while later he became a captain.
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A while after that he flipped andcooperated with the government and he left
the life. Obviously him and thisguy Vinnie Green. The story would become
so complicated. Even the Weiss murderinvolves the Cavalcanti family and all stuff like
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that. I did videos on that, so I'm not gonna go in all
of those areas. But I wasgoing to do the small story with Jimmy
Rotunda. I was going to tightenit up a little bit, but I
thought it was interesting to tell thewhole story. Now I very rarely check
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myself, but I wanted to check. I did check. I looked at
old newspapers and shiit. I lookedat it and they're wrong. So I'm
glad it will check because they're wrong. So Zaza is reading it to me
and I said, no, no, didn't happened like that. She got
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a little frustrated. I got frustratedand says, listen to throw it away.
I don't want to see it.They're wrong, Wikipedia and all these
fucking things. They're wrong. I'mtelling you what happened. But she laughed
and says, Sammy, if Iwant to know something, I ask you.
I don't have to read newspapers oranything else. She's a great kid.
She's in the other room, orI wouldn't call a great character.
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So we'll go to her head.She's got looks and everything else, and
that's she's smart and now she's beingcompliment that we'll make her like peanuts.
We'll have two of them. Soone more thing I think you'll love to
know. When I went back toprison and in two thousand, February of
two thousand, the ecstasy case.Some day old hear stories about that,
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I was in jail. I wasin prison again in two thousand February two
thousand, and I did almost eighteenyears. Here's the craziest fucking thing in
the world. Mail call. Iget a letter. I had written a
book already and everything. I getthe letter and I opened it up.
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I am so so sorry for whatI did to you. The way you
talked about me in your book.It just breaks my heart that what I
did to you was so fucking wrong, but I was so mad. It's
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fucking Michael Hardy twenty something fucking yearslater or whatever, thirty years later,
whatever it was, seventy four,seventy four, I'm getting indict until two
thousand, eighty four, ninety four, twenty six years later, he's apologizing
to me. If you're listening tothis, Mike, that letter. I
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was infuriated, but I was inprison and I shot down with that letter.
And I had a chance to think. I accept your apology and I'm
not managing no more. You mademistakes. I did things. I'm inde
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mistakes. I think everybody makes mistakeat one point in their life. But
I do respect that you sent mea fucking letter twenty six years later apologizing.
That's incredible and I think it shouldbe thrown into the story. And
if you're listening to this video,Mike, I think the world ill.
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You're a tough guy. You didwhat you did. Don't send me no
more letters. I might get manright now. I'm not managed you.
I really not. Okay. That'sthe end of the story. So if
you like it, pressed like subscribealways tonight, above all nights. I
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want to get home and watch Familiesof the Mafia. A couple of good
episodes coming up. I don't thinkI'm in them. There's a Russian guy.
There's this guy, Billy. Iknew his father while Bill, me
and him was like this, Andif he's listening, I want to tell
this story real quick. I'm goingto add it on. This is how
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close I was with him. Iwent to a special breeder and I got
a dog, a puppy. Iwanted a rock waller. My wife wanted
a rock waller, and I gotthis puppy, especially bred beautiful. I
get the dog and I'm gonna surprisemy wife and take it home, and
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I have an deportment with Billy wellBill, and I have the dog on
a leash, little little guy,and it comes out, Oh my god,
where did you get that dog?I got a friend of mine's a
breeder. Why I'm going crazy tryingto get a dog? Right? I
love this dog. He's got thedog's face. He's playing. The dog's
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tail is going crazy. Little tail'sgoing crazy. They fell in love right
in front of me. He says, could I buy it? I says,
I don't think he has any more. He sold them all. He'll
get you know more? Oh man, do you like him that much?
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Yeah? I'm a sucker for shit? Right that? Take the dog?
You kid it? No, I'llget another one sometimes, take the dog,
Take them all. He told yourkids, you listen to any other
thing. Now. I know hisson. He passed away a long time,
but he was killed. It wasgone a long time, and I
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know his son. He's act actuallyon this show. He tells me the
story you gave it him. YeahI did. I did. He said,
You're not how happy he was.Yeah, he must have been super
happy. You know what he namesthe dog, No, it's Sam.
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I thought it was a great story, all right, Audios
He must have known the people whowere going to talk to him. He
stopped his car. He had somegroceries, some fish from the fish market
and on the passenger seat, andthey opened up on him and shot him
a whole bunch of times and killedhim. Hey, guys, I got
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a story today that is phenomenal.I was talking about a guy, Jimmy
Rotunda, who became the underboss ofthe Decavalcanti family. When I was starting
to talk about him and his story, Peanuts asked me questions like who was
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he and how did you know him? And it really woke me up to
my first meeting with him and whyit happened. So this is going to
be a long, complicated story.You have to follow us closely. There's
a lot of twists and turns init. So how does this story start?
(01:25):
Where do I start it? JimmyRotanda became the underbuss of the Cavalcanti
family. One day when he wasgoing home, he stopped his car.
He had a Lincoln that he usedto drive. I know him very well,
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and you'll see why and how hemust have known the people who were
going to talk to him. Hestopped his car. He had some groceries,
some fish from the fish market onthe passenger seat, and they opened
up and shot him a whole bunchof times and killed him. It was
an underboss. Me and John Gottiwent to the funeral. John Riggy was
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the boss of the Decvalcanti family atthat time, was at the funeral.
He took me and John on thesite and he told us that he was
super concerned if they could take outthe under boss. I'm probably next.
Really shooken up by this. Alot of people at the funeral. We
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talked to him on the site.John said, listen, don't worry about
it. We got your back.The de Cavalcanti family don't have a commission
seat. The five New York familieshave a seat. Each one of them
have a seat. That's the commission. So we were going to represent him.
John was going to represent him atthe commission investigate this hit. And
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he felt really comfortable with that.He already knew how close I was with
Jimmy Rotunda because of a lot ofthings. And you'll see. We left
the funeral, and I understand thatJohn had a commission meeting. I wasn't
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there, but he had told thecommission asked them who did this? Nobody
seemed to know. It was obviouslya sneak hit, could have been internal.
We didn't know what it was.Nobody knew what it was, but
we were on god to try tofind out who did this. So I'm
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gonna go back to when I methim and why and how, me my
Gumbada, Alley Boy, and LouisMelito. I'm not going to get too
in depth with this because you heardthis story. We're indicted with a guy
named Larry Martiri. None of us, including Larry Marty, supposedly at that
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time, said he knew anything aboutit. But later we found out when
we were out on bail we wereabout to fight the case. It took
a long time. Then he kneweverything about it. The witness, a
guy named Michael Hardy, is theguy who talked about this whole case,
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how we all got indicted all forus. I refresh your recollection with Michael
Hardy. He's the guy who wouldgive He knew Louis Melito very well.
He would give us stick ups.The story the hostage gone bed where the
girl jumped on my chest and wewent in and took this group. Michael
(05:00):
he gave us that robber and manymany more and me and Ali Boy would
commit them. So Michael Hardy's storywas that he was in a pizzeria and
(05:20):
Corney Allen and the case was thathe sat down with Mimmi Scala, a
captain, a very dangerous captain inthe Colombo family, and these Dune brothers
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owed Mimi money and they didn't payhim. Some bullshit story like that.
Supposedly, this is Michael Hardy's storythat Louis Melito came into that meeting,
was called in by Mimmi. Mimmisaid he was going to pay him money
to have the Dune brothers killed,but not Both of them won and he
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gave his name. Michael Hardy tellsMimmy that Louise got a couple of guys
around him, good friends of histhat are shooters, Sammy the Bolt and
Ali Boy. Como. This ison our indictment. Now, none of
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us knew what was going on.It was really hard to fight the case.
I didn't think of a video aboutthis too. I wound up beating
it. Then we come to findout why did he do this? Why
did Michael Hardy do this? MichaelHardy is in prison on other charges.
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Some guy was banging his wife.He was on the lamb. He comes
back in, knocks on the guy'sdoor and shoots him four five times and
kills him. He goes after thisguy with Larry Marty, one of Larry
Marty's best friends, right hand man. He snatches him. He brings him
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in an apartment, ties him ina bad tub to the stop to the
shower, tied up like this,turns the hot water on full blast.
He wants information from him. He'sbeating him with a gun and he's being
cooked with this hot water. Theguy is screaming, moaning, crying.
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He says, I'm going to giveyou one more chance. It's a long
barrel gun. He sticks the barrelup his ass all the way up.
The guy literally is fainting's passing out. He yanks the gun out and all
(08:09):
his intestines or whatever it is,just rips him apart. Leaves him in
there so badly beaten, burnt,bleeding from the rector. He leaves him
for dead. The guy don't die. He survives, goes to the hospital.
God knows how long he's in thehospital, but he tells Larry Martery.
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Larry Morty gets in touch with him, he's always had a connection with
him, and tells him that hehas a big score, that he needs
him, and he makes an appointmentto meet him somewhere. Michael Hardy comes
into that meeting. He's arrested bya slew of detectives. Were guns out.
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He got sucked into a meeting andLarry Mortey has actually set him up.
It's ratting, and the guy whogot tortured he's going to testify against
them. Michael Hardy calls me froma prison and tells me I need your
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help. I know prison phones aremonitored. I'm not stupid, so I
said, how could I help you? And he says, I need you
to kill Larry Morty and go afterthe kid's name, the guys and the
other guy's name, Molly Torture.I said, listen, I have no
(09:45):
idea what the fuck you're talking about. I don't do stupid shit like that.
You must be playing right, you'rejoking with me. I want to
talk into that microphone. I'm gonnashow I have nothing to do in out
that. I don't know what he'stalking about. I know it's being taped.
So I'm not going to just hangup on him. So I'm saying,
(10:05):
listen, I would help you.But I don't even know what you're
talking about, and I don't dothings like that, Bro, I don't
know why you would say that tome. He's talking a little bit more.
I talked a little bit more,and then I said hello, Hello,
Hello, and I hang up sothey could keep that tape and stick
(10:26):
it up in their ass whoever's listeningon the other But I called Louis Melito
an alley boy, and I tellboth of them, this guy lost his
mind. Bro. This is whathe told me on the phone in the
prison, on the fucking tape.Don't answer the phone if he calls now
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we were doing robberies with him,don't do it. Something's radically wrong for
him to talk like that. Makeyour wife answer the phone, both of
them. I'm tone, and ifit's him, all she's got to do
is say, listen, he's nothome and hang up on him. Unbeknownst
to me, one of our phonesis bugged. We didn't say nothing wrong.
(11:13):
I didn't say nothing wrong. Sonobody's gonna get pinched, nobody's gonna
get hurt. But here's what thecops do. They take that tape,
they bring it to him and theyshow him this tape. Oh, this
fucking Sammy. I called him upfor helpe, and look, he's double
cross at me. He's mad atme, Louis and Ali Bud. So
(11:39):
he makes up this fictitious story toget out of prison. Now he cooperates
with the government that it's not thegovernment's a state it was a state case,
and tells him this fictitious story.It took a long time to find
this all out, about this meetingand about the dumb brothers. Now he
(12:05):
also puts Mimi in it. Mimmy'sthis powerful, vicious captain in the Colombo
family. So when I told thisstory, I never told you about Mimmy,
But I'm telling you about him nowhe's on my indictment. So four
of us are on this indictment,not just me. Ali Boy and Louie
were in jail, but Mammy wasn'tin jail. God knows where he was
(12:28):
in prison. Me, Louie andAli Boy talked every time Mammy gets arrested,
and he's got a case before hegoes to trial. His co defenders
just seemed to disappear, he getsrid of them, he has a better
chance at a case he kills them. That just going on the lamb.
(12:50):
That God, he's got a habitof doing that. We knew that,
We talked about it. What arewe gonna do, Bro, Not only
we don't know about this case,but this fucking guy, we can't just
sit around, bro, really disappear. So we agreed in prison. As
(13:13):
soon as we get out, we'regonna make him disappear. We're gonna reverse
this. We're not gonna wait tobe killed because he don't trust us.
Fuck him, We're gonna kill him. We make a pack amongst the three
of us, and we're gonna killhim. Unbeknownst to us because of his
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viciousness and killing people on the recordoff the record, the Colombo family had
already killed him before the indictment,and he was missing, so his days
of making people missing, he becamemissing unbeknownst to us. At that point.
We will concerned when we got out, where is he? What is
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he thinking? We got a nudge. He ain't thinking nothing, Bro,
He's missing. He ain't coming back. Music twer is now. All we
had to do is fight a statecase. That we had no fucking clue
what went on. We had fiftytwo court appearances. They said, separated
(14:26):
the trials. Larry Montery went ourtrial alone, and then they were gonna
have a trial with me, AliBoy and Louis leto two separate trials.
Larry beat the case, had moneyhigh, asked lawyers. He beat the
case. We were on there andwe beat the case. But we knew
(14:52):
all the details, like I'm tellingyou now. Back then, I knew
it like I know it right now. Case over. My Gumbada Alley Boy
was with the Genevese people. Hewas with this guy, Joey Mann was
a made guy. My Gumbardo wasn'tmade. And Joey Man's captain. I
forgot his name. This is inseventy three, seventy four, some place.
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I forgot his name. They tookhim down. He was replaced with
a guy named Tommy Lombardo, whotook became the captain. When he died,
Sally Doggs became the captain. Butthat's all not that important. What
is important is the case is over. We celebrate. Ali Boys got to
(15:41):
go to his people. Me andLouis Belito in the Gambino family. We're
gonna go to Tatto. Toto's superhappy we beat this case. I mean,
he did everything to help us.He was sick that we were on
this fucking drug, and he knewand leaved every minute of it that we
didn't know what the fuck was goingon. There was no reason for us
(16:04):
to hide from him. We didwork, there was no reason to hide,
and he was super happy. Some and Louis met with him and
we said, listen, case over, everybody's happy. We tell him the
whole entire story were told to himin stages. He knew in different pieces.
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We want to kill Labrymntery. Hemay believe he didn't know what was
going on. He set the guyup with his guy. We know all
the whole story. If he wouldhave and he never told us, he
would have never took We would havefound been found guilty. We would have
been life without parole with the stateand never even knew why. We want
(16:52):
to kill him. Who's he with? He's with the de Cavalcanti family.
He's with this guy, his nameis Danny Nunziato. Him and this guy
Corky. Remember Corky. I dida thing about him a while ago.
(17:15):
Corky wasn't a big guy at thatpoint, but he was a very powerful
guy. He was Danny Nunziato's brotherin law. So Totto's gonna call for
a sitdown. The Genevese people getin touch with Totto because of Alley Boy.
We'll give you the lead. Whateveryou come to an agreement with them,
(17:38):
I'm in it. If you getyou want to usually gonna get wind
them sit down and kill this guy. I'll give Alley Boy permission to work
with Sammy and Louis. Ali Boyis with us now in these conversations,
and Tato's heading in. Danny Nunziatois a may guy. Tattle's a captain.
So Danny's gonna come down with hiscaptain. Who is his captain,
(18:03):
Jimmy will Tardler. At that time, he wasn't the underboss. He was
a captain, and he came downreal nice guy, great guy, great
reputation. Gentlemen. Tyler and themtalk. There isn't enough evidence for us
(18:25):
to kill him. Their argument ishe stood up. He's not a rat.
He stood up, he went totrial. He didn't set him up.
That's a lie. Maybe the kidwho got snatched, did it.
He's blaming, always blaming somebody else. Anyway, we lose the sit down,
(18:45):
we lose the decision. Tyler agrees, he is went through hell.
It's over. Let's end it.Stay away from this lobry mantea. The
answer is no. Told my gumbaAllei boy, and go back and talk
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to your people and tell him that'swhat I ruled for us. Alley Boy
said he here. They already agree. Whatever you're ruling is they about,
they'll abide by it. So I'mnot gonna be hon it either. And
that's how I met Jimmy Rotunda.That's the whole story leading up to Jimmy
rotunda is death. But there's alittle bit more after that. That was
(19:33):
in seventy four and seventy six.I got made. I believe he was
killed in eighty eight something like that. Within that time frame, me and
him became very friendly. As soonas he heard I got made, he
sent for me, and he becameHe wasn't the captain, number was the
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under boss. Call me congratulations seventysix. These guys are good guys.
Bro stood up. You did theright thing, and then you did the
right thing asking for this guy's life. But you know, some things you
know don't always go your way,and you took it like men. And
(20:19):
I told him that's why we're here, respective of life. And then I
got a little stronger and started playingwith unions and construction and all of these
things. And he was very powerfulwith unions, the long Shoreman's Union.
We had a good hunker at hehad it in Jersey, and I became
(20:41):
more and more powerful and more andmore friendly with him. He had a
concrete He had a company that wasa concrete company in Coney Allen. We
the New York families controlled the concretecompanies. You weren't allowed in from Jersey.
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You weren't allowed in. This guywas in Coney Allen with a small,
little bullshit company. We allowed itto stay there. But you can't
grow. You can't become one ofthe big guys. He wanted to become
a little bit bigger. And hesaid, Sammy, could you help me
with the whole group. You havethe families and everybody. You're very strong
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with Paul with the concrete. Idon't want to become one of the big
guys, my guy, but Iwould love for him to expand a little
bit, and it's not really goingto take anything off of anybody's plate.
I liked them, and I said, Jimmy, let me think about it,
(21:52):
let me see what I could do. I had a meeting with people
from the Lokazi family, the Colombofamily. Colombo family had pretty good relationships
with so I said, listen,it's a good guy. It's a small
little company in Coney Island. Ithink it's actually part of bensonhist Brooklyn.
(22:15):
I'll make him expand in Benson HeistBrooklyn, I'll make him expand. And
people want to do a concrete jobat sidewalk patio, small jobs. He
won't bid big jobs. So it'sreally not taking nothing away from us a
little bit maybe, And who's takenaway from the most is me because I'm
(22:40):
in Benson Heist so Be He'll beinfringing on my turf a little bit,
and I don't mind. I thinkwe should be. I convinced them that's
the way you fail, Sammy,and you're gonna get right more than anybody
else. It's not really hurt,you're gonna it was a little bit of
(23:00):
the party crumbs to me, Ifelt. So they agreed. Paul was
aware and Todd I was aware ofwhat I was doing in my conversations at
all at all times. They alwayswere. I never did things off the
record or things on my own.I went back to Paul and told them.
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Paul, they agreed, this iswhat I could do, and I
would make them expand a little bit. Small jobs. You're gonna hurt nobody,
you know, and it'll be anhour area of my area. It'll
be a little less to me,a little less to you. That's great,
Sammy. I love that negotiation,the way you did it and handled
(23:42):
it. The guy is an underboss, even though they're not under commission
the guys are under boss. Great. Great, so I expanded. So
I had an ongoing relationship whatever.After Paul was gone, John became the
(24:03):
boss and a lot of good thingswere done back and forth, and John
appreciated that I have this real close, tight relationship with an under boss of
another family. They became very closeto us. Like I said, as
soon as he was killed, hewent right up John's behind, riggy.
(24:26):
He was like our little puppy,good boy, nice boy. I don't
want to belittle him, but that'swhat it is. That's what happened.
So John was happy, not onlybefore he died, that I had a
connection with them, a strong connection, but that we were if we needed
(24:47):
help on the piers. We rana good part of the piers, but
Jersey and some peers, they ranstuff out there, so it was a
help to us. So he likedall of those connects. But now he
was dead. So that's how Iknow jim by Rotunda. His son was
a made guy. He made him. He was a made guy after his
(25:11):
father's death. I became a littlefriendly with him, not too much,
but a little bit, because Iwas close with his dad and he knew
it. A while later he becamea captain. So that's how I know
Jim by Rotunda. His son wasa mad guy. He made him.
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He was a made guy after hisfather's death. I became a little friendly
with him, not too much,but a little bit because I was close
with his dad and he knew it. A while later he became a captain.
(25:56):
A while after that he flipped andcooperated with the government and he left
the life. Obviously him and thisguy Vinnie Green. The story would become
so complicated. Even the Weiss murderinvolves the Cavalcanti family and all stuff like
(26:19):
that. I did videos on that, so I'm not gonna go in all
of those areas. But I wasgoing to do the small story with Jimmy
Rotunda. I was going to tightenit up a little bit, but I
thought it was interesting to tell thewhole story. Now I very rarely check
(26:40):
myself, but I wanted to check. I did check. I looked at
old newspapers and shiit. I lookedat it and they're wrong. So I'm
glad it will check because they're wrong. So Zaza is reading it to me
and I said, no, no, didn't happened like that. She got
(27:02):
a little frustrated. I got frustratedand says, listen to throw it away.
I don't want to see it.They're wrong, Wikipedia and all these
fucking things. They're wrong. I'mtelling you what happened. But she laughed
and says, Sammy, if Iwant to know something, I ask you.
I don't have to read newspapers oranything else. She's a great kid.
She's in the other room, orI wouldn't call a great character.
(27:22):
So we'll go to her head.She's got looks and everything else, and
that's she's smart and now she's beingcompliment that we'll make her like peanuts.
We'll have two of them. Soone more thing I think you'll love to
know. When I went back toprison and in two thousand, February of
two thousand, the ecstasy case.Some day old hear stories about that,
(27:48):
I was in jail. I wasin prison again in two thousand February two
thousand, and I did almost eighteenyears. Here's the craziest fucking thing in
the world. Mail call. Iget a letter. I had written a
book already and everything. I getthe letter and I opened it up.
(28:12):
I am so so sorry for whatI did to you. The way you
talked about me in your book.It just breaks my heart that what I
did to you was so fucking wrong, but I was so mad. It's
(28:32):
fucking Michael Hardy twenty something fucking yearslater or whatever, thirty years later,
whatever it was, seventy four,seventy four, I'm getting indict until two
thousand, eighty four, ninety four, twenty six years later, he's apologizing
to me. If you're listening tothis, Mike, that letter. I
(29:07):
was infuriated, but I was inprison and I shot down with that letter.
And I had a chance to think. I accept your apology and I'm
not managing no more. You mademistakes. I did things. I'm inde
(29:30):
mistakes. I think everybody makes mistakeat one point in their life. But
I do respect that you sent mea fucking letter twenty six years later apologizing.
That's incredible and I think it shouldbe thrown into the story. And
if you're listening to this video,Mike, I think the world ill.
(29:53):
You're a tough guy. You didwhat you did. Don't send me no
more letters. I might get manright now. I'm not managed you.
I really not. Okay. That'sthe end of the story. So if
you like it, pressed like subscribealways tonight, above all nights. I
(30:15):
want to get home and watch Familiesof the Mafia. A couple of good
episodes coming up. I don't thinkI'm in them. There's a Russian guy.
There's this guy, Billy. Iknew his father while Bill, me
and him was like this, Andif he's listening, I want to tell
this story real quick. I'm goingto add it on. This is how
(30:40):
close I was with him. Iwent to a special breeder and I got
a dog, a puppy. Iwanted a rock waller. My wife wanted
a rock waller, and I gotthis puppy, especially bred beautiful. I
get the dog and I'm gonna surprisemy wife and take it home, and
(31:03):
I have an deportment with Billy wellBill, and I have the dog on
a leash, little little guy,and it comes out, Oh my god,
where did you get that dog?I got a friend of mine's a
breeder. Why I'm going crazy tryingto get a dog? Right? I
love this dog. He's got thedog's face. He's playing. The dog's
(31:26):
tail is going crazy. Little tail'sgoing crazy. They fell in love right
in front of me. He says, could I buy it? I says,
I don't think he has any more. He sold them all. He'll
get you know more? Oh man, do you like him that much?
(31:47):
Yeah? I'm a sucker for shit? Right that? Take the dog?
You kid it? No, I'llget another one sometimes, take the dog,
Take them all. He told yourkids, you listen to any other
thing. Now. I know hisson. He passed away a long time,
but he was killed. It wasgone a long time, and I
(32:12):
know his son. He's act actuallyon this show. He tells me the
story you gave it him. YeahI did. I did. He said,
You're not how happy he was.Yeah, he must have been super
happy. You know what he namesthe dog, No, it's Sam.
(32:32):
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