196 | Stop Talking About Yourself – How to Hook Podcast Listeners Fast

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Most podcasts fail to grow because they focus too much on the host—and not enough on the listener. In this episode, learn why centering your show around personal updates, casual chatter, or off-topic rambles is a fast way to lose new listeners before they even get to the good stuff.

Discover the mindset shift every indie podcaster needs to make: you're the host, not the star. From using content structure that hooks and holds attention, to understanding how and when to bring personal stories into the mix, this episode breaks down the strategies that actually drive audience growth.

✅ What you’ll learn:

• Why most new podcasts struggle to keep listeners
• The difference between personal content and valuable content
• How to structure your episodes for engagement and retention
• Why modeling celebrity-style podcasts can backfire
• The simple format that helps grow loyal, returning listeners

If you're serious about podcast growth, engagement, and building a loyal audience, this episode is your roadmap.

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⏱️ Timestamps

00:00 – Why no one cares about your podcast (yet)

00:41 – Intro + sponsored shoutout to Riverside.fm

01:23 – The two mindsets new podcasters fall into

02:53 – Content-first vs. personality-first shows

04:16 – Why personal stories don’t work for beginners

06:42 – Modeling big radio shows: the trap indie podcasters fall into

08:27 – Why famous podcasters can "get away with it"

09:31 – Just because you can make a podcast doesn’t mean people will care

10:44 – Example: Gavin Newsom’s podcast and audience building

12:23 – What makes podcasting content truly unique

14:14 – You’re the host, not the star (and that’s okay)

15:19 – Telling personal stories with purpose

16:35 – Quick content format you can use every episode

17:05 – Why this format actually drives growth

18:31 – Retention is the real growth strategy

20:33 – How and why people share valuable shows

21:39 – Value-first podcasting: what it really means

22:14 – Standing out in a sea of podcasts

23:14 – The listener-first mindset shift

24:52 – Wrapping up + how to audit your own show

25:58 – The Podtastic Playbook reviews & shoutouts

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