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November 11, 2025 70 mins

This week, Thomas sits down with writer, trained Buddhist monk, and meditation teacher, Jack Kornfield, for a conversation about the twists and turns on the spiritual path and the quest for a defined identity. Drawing on hard-won expertise, they dissect spiritual bypassing, embrace the necessity of disillusionment, and share rituals and practices to help you reclaim the sacred.

Both teachers have extensive experience with trauma, pioneering our understanding of how trauma healing and spiritual practice intersect. Jack argues that in fact, we cannot seek enlightenment without confronting our personal wounds, understanding the difference between trauma and suffering, and acknowledging our interconnection.

He and Thomas explore the need for communal spiritual practices, the wisdom inherent in ancient traditions, and the importance of remembering that our essential nature is love itself.


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✨ Jack Kornfield is trained as a Buddhist monk, has taught meditation internationally since 1974, and is one of the key teachers to introduce Buddhist mindfulness practice to the West. After graduating from Dartmouth College in Asian Studies in 1967, he joined the Peace Corps and worked on tropical medicine teams in the Mekong River valley. Jack co-founded the Insight Meditation Society with Sharon Salzberg and Joseph Goldstein and the Spirit Rock Center in Woodacre, California. Jack has taught in centers and universities worldwide, led International Buddhist Teacher meetings, and worked with many of the great teachers of our time. He holds a Ph.D. in clinical psychology and is a father, husband, and activist. His books have been translated into 20 languages and sold more than a million copies.


Connect with Jack here:

👉 https://jackkornfield.com



✨ Pre-Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, written in collaboration with Dr. Richard Schwartz: “Releasing Our Burdens,” here:

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our...

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