Poker Masters Recap

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donna Peters. His name
is Tim Duckworth. It is Monday, October thirteenth, four thirty
one pm. We are in the fabulous Poker Growth Studio.
It may not look too fabulous right now, because you
know what this is like, I mean you might not

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know I for sure. No, this is like when you're
at the club, we're way too damn long and at
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and this is what it looks right, I mean like,
this is just what it looks like. So a bit
dressed down, need to doll things up quite a bit here,
but they'll make it happen because the PGTPLO series starts

(00:55):
on Tuesday, which was it's probably likely when you guys
are listening to this, so hopefully producer rich Ryant will
get it up on Tuesday morning. And yeah, we're gonna
recap the Poker Masters. We got to talk about that
PGT PLO series because that is upcoming. I am kicking
Tim's ass in the PGT Fantasy right but we're gonna

(01:17):
do our redraft today. Set us up for a PLO
series WPT shooting Star. I want to touch on that
because that is coming up soon. I think I put
together the list of all the shooting stars, couldn't really
get it all in one place. I had to go
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rec we have a new purple Jacket winner and it

(04:03):
is David Coleman. Coleman opened the series with a win
in the million Dollar Showcase, took home two hundred and
seventy thousand dollars, and then he bookended the series with
a second place in the twenty five K finale. Don't
remember how much that was for, but good amount of
change there. He did a little bit of a deal
with Brandon Wilson. They did some shopping when they got

(04:24):
heads up, but still played for the win. Brandon Wilson
five there you go. So he cast for what six
fifty total? Yeah, pretty much, okay, crusher. He had another
cash in there somewhere in the middle of the series,
not a final table, but that that extra cash was
probably enough to, you know, kind of give him that
sort of boost. Four n ninety two points total from Coleman.

(04:46):
He had one win, he had three cashes. Now he
is still outside the top forty of the season long
leader board, but those four hundred and ninety two points
did really boost him up quite nicely. He's got seven
hundred and thirteen points on the season right now, number
forty and the top forty get into the PGT Million
Dollar Championship. Right now, Number forty is nine oh two.
And I believe it's Patrick Leonard. It is who's backs Vegas?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Is he gonna come play?

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I mean he's been talking about it. He didn't you
see his didn't you see his ID? But his story
that said, like, this is the Blagio, this is where
I go visit Crazy Mike. This is Aria, That's where
PLO is. This is the Blagio, this is Aria behind Aria,
that's poker Go, the best arena in the world. That's
what he was that's that was his story. So he
also said that he was he has a dog, Sandro

(05:33):
he said development I don't know, but he said he's
going to bring his dog to the studio and make
it the Prince of poker Goro is.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
What he said. Prince.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
I don't know last time there was a dog in
here at bit someone so we might we might not
want to go down that route. But anyway, Patrick Leonard
is number forty, but he's going to be out here
for the pgt PLO series. I'm guessing he's going to
be out here for the stretch that is it was
PGT PLO. There's the Fall Classic is at the win
right now. Now it all leads into November. You got

(06:02):
an apt Las Vegas. You have obviously the win in December.
Pads also said he mentioned the win, he like showed
it down, but he was like bad things happened there.
Like he's like, I don't.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Know where he lost these possible.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
He was talking about all the the women that are
walking to the Encore Beach Club right next to the pokeron.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
I mean it's to males. We shouldn't say it's annoying.
But we were both there this weekend. Last weekend, it
was annoying.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
I don't find it annoyed because it doesn't distract me.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
There was don't annoy you, Like I'm just loud. I
even had my AirPods in it, and I could still
hear it through my AirPods.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
I mean, I'm just I guess used to it by now,
so I don't.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I don't necessarily I'm more defin than you, so it
should bother me less.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, but I play more there, so I'm I think
I'm just used to it. There was a player at
my table who was trying to persuade the floor staff
that they should build a barrier so you can't see.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Oh, you can't say, you know what I the Friday.
You know they have three rows at the very off topic,
and you know they have the three rows of tables,
like row the thirties, the forties, of the fifties. I
was seen in the thirties, which is closest to all
the women go but the rose forties and.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Pans men's let's be barely it's meant too.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Okay, it's barely any men, But like, why did they
see this? Like I know it might not make that
much of a difference, but like, why not see this
in the fifties, so where like, yeah, I get it
further away, less decimated.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Maybe there's a lot of people that like the eye candy.
I don't know, you know, I don't know, Sean. The
only thing that I when I watched those people, I'm like, man,
I used to do that. I don't know how I
did that. Like it makes me like feel like I
feel like horrible inside watching the drunk people. I'm like,
I can never.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Do someone on the day. And I said when I
was younger, because we're both old now, I never went.
I think I've been to one pool party. It's never
interested me. Like the heat and the music and the alcohol.
I didn't feel like it was a good mix going
on to the class. Obviously you and I did that fair
bit when we were younger, but the pool just never
interested me. I just I just couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, I'm just talking about, you know, the stumbling around
a casino drunk off your ass, like all that sort
of stuff. I just I can't really get into it anymore.
And it's it's a big base turn of that to
not lots of money, like.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
What number to get as drunk as possible.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
I mean, it would have to be a ton of
money to get drunk. I don't drink. I haven't drink
seven years, so I don't even know. I can't even function.
Fifteen dollars, no fucking it's gotta be a big, big number,
five figures for sure.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Five. I think that would be less than that.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
But no way am I getting No, No, I'm not
doing it. I'm not doing it for less than ten
k I'm not percent And that might sound stupid and.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Don't find me dot com slash Donnie gets drunk.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I mean I'm not. I'm not doing it like it's
just it's just it's it's it's off torture. Yeah, absolute
freaking torture. So David Coleman won the twenty twenty five
Poker Master's Purple Jack and he also got a twenty
five KPGT passport as a bonus prize after he won.
I did speak with him for about three or four minutes.
So let's listen to this interview right now with David Coleman,

(09:09):
and then we'll come on back on the other side. Here.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Congratulations, There you have it, guys. David Coleman your Poker
Masters Champion.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well good, thank you. Feels amazing. Yeah, extremely grateful. Just
a good run of cards against amazing competition, and it's
really anyone's getting in these things, like it's just a

(09:42):
matter of how the cards go. But uh, yeah, I
feel very comfortable here. I've been playing here for a
while now and see the same faces over and over,
so nothing really surprises me the way people are playing.
But yeah, I just honestly, it's just insane how lucky
I've been recently. So I'm extremely grateful this tournament. It
was the most I've ever had like ulterior considerations during

(10:04):
the tournament like that I have any tournament ever played.
So yeah, it was definitely in the back of my mind.
You kind of saw it in the Queen Queen hand
I had against Brandan's Open, which honestly think it's kind
of like a okay to spot the flat even without
like the considerations for the jacket, so I just flatted.
But yeah, it was definitely in the back of my mind,
like I said, more so than it's ever been usually.
I just played poker like I you know, I'm trying

(10:27):
to make most money always, but you know, there's some
considerations to try to win the tournament. But yeah, this
was it was interesting dynamic for sure. I was really
anti sweating Doug at the end there, and uh yeah,
just super grateful when Yeah, I'm a pretty like reasonably
emotional guy, so like, yeah, I definitely get visibly frustrated sometimes,

(10:48):
but I've just been playing this game so so much
for the last ten years that my experience kind of
overwhelms the emotion most of the time. Yeah, it was
crazy what was going on yesterday. I was just making
huge hands and it felt like the decks were rigged.
I was joking about it, but uh yeah, it was
a wild stretch there, Like as we were approaching the money,

(11:09):
I was only planning and playing maybe a handful of
the PLL, but I'll probably play all of them now. Yeah,
I would love to play the free role play. The
last year. It was a great tournament. It's an honor
to be in there. So yeah, I'm definitely gonna fire
hard the rest of the year. I mean, I was
already planning and playing most of No Limit, but I'll
probably play with all the people now. But yeah, it's
been a hell of a ride.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
But yeah, no regrets whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
I feel extremely blessed, extremely grateful for playing this game
for a living that I love so much, because like,
ID never worked the day in my life. So yeah,
it's it's incredible. It's a dream. I get to travel
the world and play the game that I love and.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
See all these cool places.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
And hang out with my friends all the time. This
is awesome, maybe the happiest day of my career. It's
an honor, especially do it in my backyard.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Here, all right.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
That was David Coleman, once a nine to five, left
his job, dove into poker. What did he do and
now he or he is? I have no idea, probably
some sort of finance or yeah something. I feel like
he's that type of guy, like you know, investments or
finance advisor, you know, something along those lines. So we'll

(12:18):
ask him. We'll ask yeh, he should he should be
playing all the PLO events.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, he's the He said he was definitely now going
to play the fives. Whether or not he gets a
bit high, I think is gonna maybe depending how he's running.
We not pay Alon gets expensive.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
PLO does get expensive. I just played the PLO satellite
and busted and I'm listen, I am not a PLO expert.
I think I can like kind of hold my own,
you know a little bit. I mean that's questionable. But
people play PLO way worse than people play hold like

(12:55):
the bad like it's it's horrendous and PLO.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Are you saying what the bad play is worse than
the bad and Olema plays or do you mean the
average PLO player.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Is Yeah, I think people generally like have a grasp
on the concept to hold them Yeah, And PLO people
are just like like wildly all over the place.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
And I feel like I'm saying that thinking that I'm
also probably bad in a lot of spots, but like
not as bad as all some of this stuff is
like I don't even know what these people are doing.
I mean, they're just they really are just gambling, and
I just I don't think you need to gamble all
that much. But you know, whatever it is, what it is,
it's it's entertaining to watch, that's for sure, and we're
gonna see plenty of it starting on Tuesday. The other

(13:38):
event winners as it pertains to the twenty twenty five
Poker Masters, so we already touched on Coleman. He won
that Poker Master's Million dollars Showcase. Then we had Mike Zolker,
then we had Andrew Moreno, then we had Darren Olias,
then we had China Reim. Is that what we talked about.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I think we discussed do we.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Talk about foxing or do we not talk about fox in?
Well fox and one of at number six, whether or
not we talked about in the last episode, I forget,
but he won it at number six two hundred and
seventy two thousand dollars Korea PGT title Yes, and we're
going to get some more on Alex Foxon in a
second number seven, Carrie Katz now wins it l Hefe

(14:16):
win Ley won the fifteen K, the first fifteen K,
there was two of them. Justin Saliba won the second
fifteen K, and Justin Saliba had a great interview afterwards.
He got emotional tears in his eyes, you know, very
candid about everything and in the grind that is poker.
That was absolutely incredible to see that emotion. I actually

(14:37):
thought that all of the interviews that came out of this,
we interviewed every winner, they were all incredible good. They
were very, very very good, even.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Even even carry Katz.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
I was like, I've tried to interview him before. He
hits you with one word answers. He doesn't like being
on video.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
But you said at the time when you finished, that's
the best interview.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
That was the best interview so far for sure. And
then you know, two events later, doesn't sleep. It just
went and blew it out of the water. Brandon Wilson
also interviewed him. He won the final events. As we mentioned,
he did a deal with David Coleman. They ended up
playing to a winner anyway, had some money left over,
but Brandon Wilson for in sixty four thousand dollars for
a win in that twenty five k all Things considered

(15:19):
Fun series. Yeah, it was really good to have a
pretty big sweat in terms of the numbers of players
that were in contention for the purple jacket entering the
final event, so that was good. Coleman had to finish
I believe it was third, went on to finish second
in that final event. You had Doug Lee at the

(15:40):
final table. He was in contention as well, so there
was a lot to play for you know, deep in
the event, which is you know, really all we can
ask for from a competition perspective when it comes to
the race for the Purple Jacket. Alex Foxen was holding
on to the lead in the race of the Purple
Jacket for quite some time and then he just had
to fade a whole bunch of people at the end
and he did or sorry he didn't. Sorry my fault,

(16:03):
he didn't. It got down to what was it. Dougley
got third, Alex Foxon got second, Brandon Wilson got first.
But once once it got to the final three, Boxon
knew that he couldn't win anymore. Correct, Yeah, that was that.
But as it relates to, Alex Foxon had a pretty
good series, earned more than four hundred PGT points. He

(16:24):
moved back up to the top of the PGT season
long leader board. I believe he was at the top
kind of towards the beginning of the season. Well he's
back on top now. So the clear front runner for
the PGT Player of the Year title. Along with that
comes you probably get a trophy. Do you get a trophy?
He does get a trophy, should get a trophy. It's
a golf fight. There you go, you get a trophy,

(16:44):
We'll try and get you on the cover of Card
Player magazine, because that's what Jaremy Osmas was.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
That's the easy one.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
You get a fifty K PGT passport, You get that
and you get to go into the PGT Championship then
with the most chips another advantage, So a lot of
stuff to play for as it relates to the PGT
Player of the Year now. Also during the twenty twenty
five Poker Masters, Alex Foxen became the first player to
record one hundred PGT caches, most all time in that category.

(17:11):
He also got his tenth PGT title as Tim mentioned
earlier when he won event number six, and Foxton is
oh so close to ten thousand career PGT points. He
is the leader in that category as well, could become
the first to get to ten k. I would say
he's a favor to do it during PGTPLO series, Yeah right,

(17:32):
I mean, unless he's gonna be going somewhere and not
playing in the entire series. But I would imagine he
is going to play it and gonna probably do well
because he's Alex Foxon. He's an absolute crusher. Another storyline,
Doug Lee I mentioned how he got third place in
that finale. Doug Lee is on the PGT heater of
a lifetime like this is just unbelievable. I just published

(17:54):
a story today on PGT dot com done by Sean Chaffin.
He spoke with Doug Lee about his that he's been
on on the PGT and it actually dates back to
before the PGT the five kwpt Venetian event. Yeah, he
got into that event, he finished I think in the
top twenty for like thirty three K, and then he
said that he was basically going to use those funds

(18:16):
as like a quasi satellite to then play some PGT stuff. Well,
he won a three hundred and eighty dollars satellite to
PGT Venetian, finished third for one hundred and twenty K,
one a satellite to the Pokemaster Showcase, finished sixth for
forty nine K, played a couple other PGT events, ultimately
gets into the twenty five K finishes third there for
two hundred and something K. You know, he cashed for

(18:37):
like five hundred and eighty thousand dollars or something total
on this run on the PGT over the last you know, month,
month and a half or so. Just absolutely incredible stuff.
And again there is an article an interviewer feature story
with Doug Lead that Sean Chaffin did on PGT dot com.
Would highly encourage you guys go give it a read.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I didn't spot him in the PLOS highlight today, did
you say it?

Speaker 1 (18:58):
I didn't, And he said in that article that he
does very well on satellites and he usually wins a
seat seventy to eighty percent of the time. So I
don't know if he plans on not playing PLO. I
don't know if he doesn't play polo. I feel like
he does it, don't.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
We ask him and he says, yeah, I'll be here.
I'll be back for the payoffs. So maybe he's he's
too rich for satellite Maybe he's too rich for satellites now.
Maybe he's too rich for satellites now. You never know,
but I hope he's back because it's been a crazy
success story to see him go through it. So shout
out to Doug Lee there. PGT leaderboard update. We got
Alex foxon on top. As I mentioned, Michael mcrocky is second, Samsoveral, third,

(19:32):
Nick Shulman, fourth, Chino Reem, Adam Hendrix, Daniel Legrando, Andrew Liechtenberger,
John w Wasnock and Jesse Lonis. That's the top ten.
Two of those players, Michael the Grinderbins Rocky and John Wasnock,
who have a lot of history, first and second place
in the WSP maon event currently not qualified correct Now
they have two cashes, they need a third. Was Wasnock

(19:53):
has been grinding. I don't know if he plays PLO.
I asked him. He said no.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
He was in Texas for the WPT of any Keep
Run there. I think he got thirty third, thirty six
or something like that. So he's out there grinding. He's
out there chasing, you know. I know he did shoot
us a message about when the True Classic res to
Rich's event is, So I would guess we're going to
see him there, I would an apt, Yeah, maybe an apt.

(20:18):
I mean, I know it's I feel like it's a
little bit steeper price point than he might normally play.
But you know, the ten K should be okay, you know,
like there's a couple of ten k's on there that
that should be all right. Miss Rocky, I mean, who
knows he can pop in here every now and then.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
He played one of the Bounty Blitz series and now
he's been driving of Ben Lamb all around the world and.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, but he's a Venetian too.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
He's then he was back leadership in Monda Jane and
I Bounty Tournament the other week and playing cash games.
So look, he knows, he knows what he needs. We
kind of talked to him during the Heads Up Championship.
He's aware of the schedule. He's obviously very close with
some people that play here frequently, such as China reems,
such as Jad Blessnik. So I would expect, you know,

(21:00):
especially Blaz to probably convince him to come play some
of these PLO events. And if we see Blaz, if
we see Blaz for the five k s, which you
never know with him, probably send him, Probably give him
a little nudge, be like, hey, don't forget grinder needs
one more Yeah, you know, try and get him down
to play some events and make a run at winning
another PGT title for the year.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, I mean, I I think both of them will
probably get it the third cash I mean, they're just
they're grinding a lot of the stuff they're out there playing,
so we'll see. It would be it would be great
to have them both in there, you know. I think
they've at least was not gonna certainly put in the volume.
You know, Ms Rocky had the big summer, right, maybe

(21:41):
not the same sort of volume that some of the
other players on the PGT have put in, but you
know we could see him getting was.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
They played, He catched the Venetian Maine, paid a couple
of he played the Showcase, played the next five K,
and I think he played the first ten k at
pokem Masters. So definitely playing a bunch of events to
try and get that third cash. But yeah, I agree,
hopefully he does get it.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Anything else on the PGT, lootle words stick out to you.
I feel like I said, I feel like mcgran who
he's in seventh place. He's been quiet. Yeah he's tumbled
a couple of spots, but he's back.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
He'll be back for the PLO. You know, just outside that,
you know that top ten where Kristen Foxon moved back
up with a couple of people like Mike Zulker who
you mentioned, you know, move up from that low forties.
He's now seventeenth. You've obviously got some players, you know,
tumbling down that didn't have a great didn't have a
good Poker Masters or didn't attend, and now you know
we're going to talk about the PLO series coming up.

(22:32):
Some of those guys with those big PLO scores earlier
in the year at PGT PLO series and at the
World series that have tumbled down because they don't play
really much else and this is their chance to you know,
to creep back up, shoot back up into that top forty,
or even make a run. You know, look at say
Dylan Lindy sitting in eighteenth, the Tyra Guerrero sitting at forty,
to make a run into the top ten, try and

(22:53):
lock up their seat, you know, so they don't have
to play anything else if they really don't want to.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, for sure, Sean Rafael, I've go here, Mickey Dueck
as well. Richard Rico. You know he's in thirty fifth
right now. I would assume he's going to be out
here for the PGT PLO series. Somebody like a Matthew
Woman who's currently.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
In forty first right on that fringe.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
I mean he's technically tied with Patrick Leonard.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah he if it was if we called it today,
he'd be in would give him as spot.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Well, I mean, but he's going to be out here
playing all the plo. Yeah, you know, a very good
PLO player, So you know, would expect him to be
out here battling and we'll see how he goes. Ben
Tolleran's another one, you know, currently forty nine, so right there,
So yeah, so we'll see. Jason Kuhn is an interesting one.
You know, he won the PGT Championship a couple of
years ago, I think twenty twenty two. You know, he
hasn't done a ton on the PGT this year. He

(23:42):
doesn't put in the biggest volume. He's basically a twenty
five K plus player these days, and twenty five k
might even be if he but he's got three cashes.
He won the fifty K at the w SPF course
that was a large chunk of his points. But he's
fifty third, you know, he's less than one hundred points
outside of the top forty. I would expect we see
him for the twenty five Kpolo Finale and the hunter

(24:04):
K Polo Super High Roll Level.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
I also expect him to play every PGT qualifying event
at the NAPT loss mainly do obviously. So he's partnership
with pocusas that being a pokusas Brandon event, you know,
even the ten k, which may be out of his
you know, buy and range. Yeah, he'll he'll, he'll probably play.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
All he he'll probably play the I mean not that accounts,
but the five k in there, I would imagine he's
in that. So yeah, you know, he's someone who you know,
being a prior PGT champion and you know, I would
love to see him get back in there once again.
And then two names kind of not by coincidence that
I'm mentioning these two because they all kind of roll together,
Seth Davies and Jeremy ols is not far behind him.

(24:43):
You know, Jeremy olism was reigning PGT Player of the Year,
reigning PGG Championship winner. He's started to really pick up
the pace in terms of like putting up bigger scores.
He has a ton of cashes six sixteams. Yeah, but
like the big scores have him been coming. He's got
and eighty eight points right now.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
He's made seven Finnel tables. Only two of those final
tables he's finished in the top three. Yeah, so he's
definitely falling short of those big point opportunities. He's putting
in that work. So you know, he's got the PLO series,
he's got an APT, he's got a lot of events
coming up that are really gonna be in his wheelhouse
for him to make that run it. You know, probably
can't catch Alex fox is gonna take a lot of work,

(25:19):
but hey, at least getting to the championship to try
and to fan you know, that title at least.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, I'm not sure anyone's gonna be able to catch Foxing.
I mean he's got I mean, he's got a little
bit over six innerd point lead over Sam so Overell,
and I bring him up because I think Sam Silver
is going to put in more volume than Michael mssjauki
in second place. So not that Miss Rocky, couldn't you know,
let's say come in for I don't know, the twenty
five kp'll win the damn thing and then he's got
a boat a little points. I mean that could obviously happen,

(25:45):
But you know, Sam Soverll, Nick Shulman, China Reim Adam Hendrix,
you know they're going to put in volume. So if
they have some sort of crazy late surge, I mean
it could happen. These guys all have a lot of
success this year on the PGT. You know, Shulman is
somebody who I feel like it's it's only a matter
of time before Nick Shulman wins a series title. I

(26:07):
can also say the same thing for Alex fox and
Alex Foxen was so close with the jacket and then
you know, he had to just fade things in the
final event ultimately didn't get it. But you know, Foxing
and Shulman one of the best players on the PGT
of all time in terms of like cashes, money won,
earning points, finishing in the top forty, if not you know,
the top fifteen, top ten, all that sort of stuff.

(26:28):
Shulman got second the championship event to Ozma's last season.
Like you know, they are always, always, always just one
of the best players, one of the best competitors on
the PGT, but they don't have them like a series title. Yeah,
they have individual tournament trophies, but they haven't like one USPO,
they haven't won even like the mixed games. They haven't
won Poker Masters, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
So there's any four players that have multiple series titles.
Shau went to China Rabe saving she'd wake David patis
the most top five finishes from any playout not named
Alex Chino rem got two wins, two thirds, two fourths
Alex Series in the series. Yeah, series leaderboards, Alex Foxon

(27:08):
two seconds, three thirds, a fourth and two fifths. There's
eight top five finishes in series leaderboards. But yet, obviously
to break through to get that, I still.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Wish we did the Grand Slam idea or the Triple
Crown idea.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I wish we did it.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I wish we had a bonus for that.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Find us some more money and we'll creative bonus.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
I don't need I don't need to find more money.
I need to reallocate current money. Okay, that's what That's
what you have, all right, So I guess that's kind
of enough PGT talk. You guys can obviously check everything
out at PGT dot com. There's a leaderboard page. We
got the PGTPLO series starting on Tuesday, October fourteenth. There
are ten events there. We're going to get into that next,
but of course you guys can follow along with everything

(27:49):
on at PGT dot com and then the final three
final tables from the series will be live streamed on
poker Go PGTPLO series. Why don't you, why don't you
tell us what we got? We're going to play some plo.
So it's called the PILO series. And you know this
is pretty much copy pay schedule of March.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Players loved it, got no complaints, So say hey, let's
run this back ten events binds ranging from fifty one
hundred all the way up to twenty five two hundred.
We made one change. We switched the five eventus. A
five was a five K PLO progressive bounty. We switched
that to a quadra. Now we saw a lot of
success during the bounty series and a lot of favorable

(28:34):
responses about the quatro. So, for you guys at home,
the top the twenty five the final twenty five percent
of the field gets paid and gets paid equal share
of the bounty. So in this case, five K, two
thousand dollars allocated to the bounty prize. Fool from me, gentry.
So once we get to that final twenty five percent,
everyone's going to win a K for every knockout. You know,

(28:55):
it basically means that when you boss, if you or
you enter late, none of the money out of price
Pol's gone. It's all reserved for once registration's closed. That's
kind of an important part of the bounties. Obviously there
is a place for progressive bounties in PLO and Mystery
Bounie's same kind of concept. Money isn't taking out of
the prize punto registration's close. So yeah, that's the one

(29:15):
change we're doing this year. We're doing quadro Bownie as
event too, but yeah, I'm looking forward to it. It's
it is one of our most heavily attended series. You
got people coming from all walks of this world looking
forward to just yeah, just trying to hit some big numbers.
Last sees opening event. So March is opening about one
hundred and sixty four entrants, then one fifty nine fifty nine,

(29:36):
so that kind of shows the popularity you know of
part limit Omaha, and that was in March when we
were missing a substantial amount of players. So you know, hey,
if we can get at least one fifty to open
the series this year, the record we have is two
hundred in that first event. Don't think we'll get that.
There is a competing PLO series over in Europe. At

(29:56):
me right now, let's go to see some players.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
I don't know. I look through the chip couns because
they are doing updates on dot com, and uh, I
didn't recognize any names that I feel like would miss
this series.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Okay, interesting, I.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Mean maybe there's a couple in there that I missed.
I I did a quick glance last night. Where the
where where are the updates dot com?

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Like they it's called like the ten K Championship or whatever.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
That Grand Slam Malta. Yeah, undress, No, he hasn't played here.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
He hasn't played here. M on. No, I mean there's
names I recognized, but there's there's no no one that
I've I would know, is.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
No regular for the P So I.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Agree, I didn't see I didn't see Latar Guerre, I
didn't see Yoni. You can mine like you know.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I expect all those guys to be playing this Ye.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
No, I know, but I'm saying like I could have
saw them because that that is also that's pretty time,
pretty well, that's timed pretty well coming off of EPT Malta.
So it's you know for some big PLO players, some
big players in general. That's there's a decent little swing
between EPT Malta. A lot of high buying stuff there,
and then obviously this Grand Slam series.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
People I see here that you no have this three people.
I say on the butto of the player, because I
me Yankov, He's played a lot of events. Leonard Yanovski,
he played the last series. That was his first time.
Robert Cohen hasn't been here for a little while, but
we talked during the summer. I tried to be like,
can you come back, and he's like, just hasn't tied
well in the recent years. So he said, I'm going

(31:30):
to try this, yere, but I can't promise any thing.
So if we can get those three, you know, maybe
they'll make a run for the second half of the
week when the Bayans kick up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, maybe they make a run for the second half
of the week. Maybe they do the second half plus
Super High roll Little PLO, you know, something like that.
That would be great to see. Speaking of Super High Rollerball, yeah,
I mean that's gonna be a big event too, Yes
it is. Once again, butting right up to everything, I mean,
do you expect a big turnout there? Like, what what
do you expect? Super High Rollable PLO.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
First year Jared Bosnik top to thirty eight entrant field.
The following year we made some changes, including day two
entry slash re entry. We had set Davies topping forty
two entrants, so I would like to at least beat
forty two. I think forty five is a good number
to aim for. Don't want to get too carried away,

(32:20):
so let's get eighty. I know a couple of players
not attending. So there's a couple of entrants.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Who who is not Who do we have to yell at?

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Eljefe himself? Carry Katz's not attending? God, Brent Kenny not attending.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Could you imagine not attending your own tour?

Speaker 2 (32:40):
He has something, it's busy. It's his words.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Like I said, could you imagine not attending your own tour,
especially when you need points? He does need especially when
you need points.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Those who are not attending, and you know they have
played every year. So that's two entries gone back. Look,
it's been trending up, Pelow in general around the world
trending up. So let's hope we get you know, the
same field plus a few new entrants. We got some
maybe some new people traveling variance falls our way. You know,
if you know in the way of re entries, et cetera.

(33:13):
Hopefully the satellite. You know, the previous years, the satellite
is yielded to two seats each time, so maybe this
year we can get that to three. Let's see how
that goes. But yeah, it's going to be a good event,
biggest buying PLO event in the world along. I mean,
it's shared, they're buying shared with people. But we were
the first.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
We were the first looking forward to looking forward to
a pretty big you know, two weeks of four card
action here in the podcast with new trophies that not
here yet the office.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Okay, I hope they hope they're cool.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
I hope they're good. You already don't like them. We
already complain about the.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah, I mean I have some complaints. I always have complaints. Yeah,
I'm a complainer. I'm on Team Complain. Now Team Complain.
I see all these people out there complain, complain, complaining,
and win poker tournament. So I'm switching to team complain.
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(35:43):
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Speaker 2 (35:49):
Okay, let's smart Lewis Spence.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Well, at least you can drop him. Then Bob's current teams.
So Tim and I did a draft of five players
each to start the second half of the PGT season.
After every season we do a little kind of weird
like you can drop one player, add one you got
a lock too, then you can possibly switch with someone
on the other team. PhD points are the scoring. My

(36:13):
team right now is Jeremy Osmons, Jeremy Becker, Nick Shulman,
Sam Laskowitz, and Andrew Lichtenberger. Yeah, you have China reemsams overall,
John Reard and Michael Burke and Lewis Spencer.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Did Michael Burke do with the pokemosis? He's letting me? Damn?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
He didn't play like the second half of it. I
have eleven hundred and forty five points. You have seven
hundred and thirty seven. So I'm up a bit there.
All right, I'm up four hundred and whatever, four oh
seven to four eight. We got to drop one and
add one, and you're obviously behind, so you can go first,
drop one together. Okay, you're dropping Lowis Spencer. Who are
you adding?

Speaker 2 (36:46):
I have a lot of names to choose from. I
have some intel, Oh god, intel no text message.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
I don't know if that means, but okay, I.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Means I got tall. Someone's on their way here, So
I'm gonna take that person.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
The name better be phil Ivey.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
No, no, okay, it was going to be a player
that was in the satellite. Okay, but I'm not going
to take him. Okay, taking Michael juwek Oh, Mickey Dueck, Yeah,
taking Michael Duk.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
So you're dropping Spencer.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
You get out of here, Louis Spencer. You have fake
one day trip to Las Vegas. Fooled me, you bluffed me.
I need to find.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
And Mickey duek okay, I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
You have an easy jump thom See.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
I don't know if I do I have. It's between
two people. I'm going to drop Sam Lasquez.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
We have both talked to Becca because that was the
other person I think about him. I literally talked to
him the other day, but he was like, may I
may my, maybe I'll come Like, I don't think you're
going to get a single buying Adelasquez. You may get
one bullet out of Becker.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I only I am going to get any out of Becker
but for the vibe because he gives me ship every time.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
But he gives me ship.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
If not, jam Me, I am not dropping you for
p l O. Please show up for the three five case.
Please come on. It's it's four cards. If you need
a crash course, it's not that difficult. I'm telling you.
These people play this game off.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
But they also getting for an APT.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah exactly, but Lasko, it's Fran but we're gonna do
another drop another drop ad before an APT, so it's fine.
So I can always add last back maybe unless you
know you you do it. This one I think is
gonna be a little bit of a gamble.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Actually it's not. I have to just I'm gonna have
to take Alex Fox. I have to take Alex Fox. Sure,
I was thinking about taking somebody else.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
But here are you thinking? Because I'll tell you, Michael Wang, Oh,
I was never on my list. Here were the people
on my list? Yea, Dylan Weisman, right, because you're going
to get you got to think about the hundred k
and the two to twenty five case, right, Dylan.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Alex Fox?

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, I know, I think Actually Alex fants to fine
U n you know Ronks you got uh Josh. I
was one who I was leaning towards for a little while,
and I was like, Grando's back, But is he back?
You know what I mean? I couldn't tell you so,
like I I he was on the very he was
on the fire and is he back?

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I mean, I mean, has he been sitting on the
sidelines for too much? I don't know. Man, you know
it's hard, all right, you gotta lock two players and
then I'll lock to I.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Don't need to lock the guy. I dropped right away.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
No, No, Mickey Dueg and Alex Oxen are not involved
in this next part of this.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Okay, So I'm gonna lock definitely. Okay, this is a gamble.
He did just wait, Tom Bracelet right.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
I think so?

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Maybe you think so?

Speaker 1 (39:44):
I mean if my list is correct with who the
names are, then yes, I feel like.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
You order it is more likely to play the one
hundred k than Chino would be. Right. So I'm gonna
lock King John.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Okay, I I am locking. We know you're looking Osmas
and Shulman. All right, so if you want to switch,
you can switch with one of mine.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
I can switch any player.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
No, you can. You can either take Jeremie Becker or
Andrew Lichtemburger and give me either China Ream or Michael Burke.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I'll give you back, and I'll take Lucky CHOWI.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Give you Burke and I'll This is so annoying.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I mean, I have to because Lucky che At least
plays some PLO.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
I understand.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
I don't think bucks see this is the whole switch
thing is kind of I think, kind of silly, though,
I don't know we should do the switch thing.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
No, it's great because.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
It's because you should just do the same thing back. Yea,
but see what you know what?

Speaker 1 (40:41):
No, I'm not going to I mean, I'm Max Gamble
with j Becks on my team, Max Gamble. I should
switch Jamie Becker for China. I should. I hope the
dear god Jeremy is listening to this movie. I hope, Jeremy.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever done in fantasy.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
This is my chance.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
You better make it fucking count. But you better make
it count, all right. So that's what we got. The
new teams entering the PGT PLO series and Super High
Rollable PLO are. I have Jeremy Osmas, Jeremy Becker, Nick Shulman, UH,
Michael Burke, and I added Alex foxon UH, Tim has
Chin o'reem Sam's over, John Riard and Andrew Lichtenberger, and

(41:23):
he added Mickey Dueck. Tim's team for this series is
way better than my team. But it doesn't matter because
I got the big guns. I got Ozma's, I got Shulman,
I got Alex Fox.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Do you have a great team heading into n apt though?
I have?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
I have stars and scrubs af.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Wow, you just called it. Jeremy Becker a scrub.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
When it relates to PLO yes, okay on the grand
scheme of things, no, But as it relates to PLO
yes okay. All right, So that's that. That gets the
PGT fantasy out of the way. As always, if you
guys have any comments on on our fantasy teams, let
us have it. Podcast at pokerro dot com is the email.
You can also hit us up on it Twitter.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Were inside of code word here? Yeah, go ahead, Yeah,
gonna be guys. You've got seventeen days until we draw
a winner to win the dream This is one of
those eight ways to get a dream system, one of
the eight ways. This is the pul podcast way to
represent us PGT dot com. You have already gone through this.
I'm not giving you any more the code word what's

(42:25):
a good number? How many tickets should we give away?
We've given away like thirty three, twenty five? Risis, we're
going big, We're gone real big. What do you want
to do?

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Thirty five?

Speaker 2 (42:34):
That's so funny because you know how I was going
to make the code word name Becker Good.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
That's exactly why I picked thirty. His favorite hand is
three five.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, okay, So you use the code word Becker b
e c. Okay, thirty five tickets in the jow the
most we've given away. That's a lot of tickets.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
And you could represent the proper podcast in the PGT
million doll the championship.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
I've said there you go, moving on, done with all
the PGT talk. We're gonna switch it over to the WPT.
We're gonna talk about Shooting Star because it is back.
They brought it back back to Bay one oh one.
It is a fifty three hundred dollars championship event that
runs well. The championship event itself runs October twenty fourth
through twenty eighth. They are doing one of those weird
things where the final table is in Las Vegas. It's

(43:19):
gonna be either did I until I looked it up.
I find the whole final table in Las Vegas. Think silly? Okay,
And when it happened, I happened to be working for
the WPT. I told them it was silly at the time.
I still think it's silly. I mean, I know why
they do it. Saves a lot of money to do
it that way. In my opinion, you should be giving
a lot more money back then to the WPT. To

(43:40):
the players in in one way, shape or form if
you're saving that much money. The one part that I
found was a little bit weird with it is if
you win that event, you get a seat to the
WPT World Championship. But that final table takes place on
December nineteenth, which is after the wt World Championship closes
the registration, so it must.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Be for next year. But yeah, that makes sense. Yeah,
but still that's like a little silly.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Wouldn't you want wouldn't you want all the WPT champions
from this season in the WPT Championship event at the win?

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Correct, I agree. I also thought this event was wasn't
a seventy five hundred back in the day. Wasn't like
a weird price point like that, because I think that
was part of the bounty thing. Look look at that
part of the look I went once, it's it's funny
because it has it'll be interesting to see what it's
like this year. You know, it's obviously being gone for

(44:33):
a little while. Now it's back. But Bay one to
one it was always one of those events where if
you watched it on the old WPT broadcast, you saw
and I'm about to talk about if you've ever been there,
you know what I'm talking about, where they're legit, dozens
and dozens of fans like around the tournament area. Many
of them have like binders of photos that they want
you to sign, like it's it's pretty crazy, Like you

(44:54):
don't see that anywhere, And it was apparent, you know,
I saw it on the broadcast many times. I've seen
you until media and whatnot. I was there once and
I saw it.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
So it was a last one was seventy five hundred,
but it has also been ten k as well.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, okay, so just that the fifty three hundred price
point was a little bit. I thought it was different, right,
and it is different. Yeah, So but that that's fine whatever.
Fifty three hundred is still pretty hefty buying in today's world.
So all good there, All right, So I was able
to put together who I think is the full list
of shooting stars. Now maybe I missed some, but let's

(45:29):
let's hit on this list because I know that there's
a lot that was always made of like people who
got invited to the National Heads Up Poker Championship. Is
there like the same I haven't seen it out there?
Is there a lot of complaining about this too, like
you didn't get invited as a shooting Star. I haven't
seen it personally.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I no, I don't know. I haven't seen much. You know,
you look at the list, you're going to go through.
It stars is going to be an in better commas.
But I don't think you. I think they're like funding
these buyings, right.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
I mean, I won't get into that. I've heard various things.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
I think they.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
That I have not heard anyone like getting a full
buy that could I mean there could be people like that,
you know, I just haven't heard that. It's it's a
different offer, is what I've heard. But I mean you
do get compensated in one way, shape or form.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, I'm going to assume a lot of these guys
seem to be stars, but I'm going to buy in themselves,
and maybe they're getting like some hotel rooms.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
My first thought was this is wouldn't it be simple
and also a perfect brand tie in that the Shooting
Stars are all WPT champions?

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Ye?

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Like that's why wouldn't that just be it?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Like?

Speaker 1 (46:43):
So then you reach out to all the champions, you say, hey,
you can come out here, here's the offer whatever, and
then you're trying to shoot a star and you're trying to,
you know, take a bounty on a WPT champ. I
think that that is a very nice brand, Mesh. Yes,
let me read these names. Lonnie Huey, Angelo Jordison, Ari
Engele Blair, Henkle, Cherish Andrews, Jared Jaffy, Jeff Mattson, Nick Rigby,

(47:05):
Ronnie Bartos, Stephen Song, Turbo Win, Victoria liftsh It's China Raim,
Chris Mormon, Esther Taylor, Jamie cursed Ter, Jesse, Lonis, Kathy Liebert,
Mike Madison, Noah Schwartz, Toby Lewis, Tony as Loony and
he won. I think like the they had like a
qualifier tournament, not the shooting stars, but like the rising stars.

(47:25):
I think he might have won that to get in.
Tyler Patterson, James Carroll, Jeff Platt, David, Odi B. Baker,
schwanlu Kenna, James, David Williams, Matt Salzburg, for Oz, Jocko,
Shannon Shore, Adam Hendrix, Greig Mueller, Nicky Limo, Lily Coletto,
Eric Linger and Kitty Quo, Chance Corneth, Frankie Kucciara Aka
Frankie c Reniah, Nezradine, Jesse Yagaum Jose Canseco, Darren Olias,

(47:46):
Tony Dunce, and Scott Stewart. Oh and Phil Helmyth was
on my next page.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Can thirteen champs?

Speaker 1 (47:52):
I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Whatever, Well, I think that's alas good that there's at
least thirteen so champions.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Initially I saw the list and now, listen, I had
to go through like multiple Instagram posts to like put
this list together. So if who I'm about to see
is a shooting star and I missed it, forgive me,
don't kill me. But first thing that jumps out, where's
fal Ivey?

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
One, he's a WPT champion? Great Two? Isn't he an ambassador?

Speaker 2 (48:19):
He's a Yeah club Doug Polk? Where's Doug Polk? Now?

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Of course this could Now this is like when when
people said to us about national heads up, you know,
where's Ivy, where's Helmuth, where's Negron?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
You?

Speaker 1 (48:31):
And you know scheduling conflicts whatnot, like like they could
have certainly been like, hey, Phil, are you available? And
he's like no, I can't, like we don't know all
that information. But initially I say I don't see Falivey.
I don't see Doug Polk, I don't see Brad Owen,
I don't see Rampage, I don't see Wolfgang. All of them,
all of them are ambassadors for WPT in one way

(48:52):
shape for maybe it's a Club t Gold, maybe it's
WPT Global, whatever it is, and I think that those
would be big draws.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
It could be a marketing strategy that could be holding
these guys until, like say, the week leading into it,
to really create some more bucks.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Okay, what I'll say to that is sorry to cut
you off. But the last Instagram post that I saw
was like this rounds out like the Shooting Stars, So
it would tell me that it's done.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Got it again?

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Maybe I missed these people in a post somewhere.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Maybe they're on there, but maybe they were part of
the original announcement. These ambassadors will be there, maybe stars
to be announced. I don't know, but yeah, you would
expect at least four of those five names to be
locks to play. Obviously Ivy contradict, but like, I don't
see why. You know, Paul can Owen, you know that

(49:38):
would be there. Obviously, Rampage and Wolfgang same thing. So yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
I mean, I'm just like Gus. I'm just surprised to
see that. I like having a nickery being there. I
think that that's that's pretty great, you know. I do
think so Scott Stewart is in there, so there is
a name you're missing. I think I like having Scott
Stewart in there. Obviously won the WG World Championship last
a seven. Now what about Elliott Hudon who won the

(50:05):
the first year, Like I would like to see him
in there too.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
You know.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Again, maybe they reach out to some of these people.
Maybe they're in there, maybe they're not. Who are you
looking for? Just tell me the final table, the main,
the final table, the main?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
What year this year? No? Jared Jared mc guinea, Yeah,
didn't because when he won his Bahamas seat, he said
I'm not going. And then I swore I saw something
on Twitter where it's like, okay.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
It was like I'm not going I'm going to wpt
here yet.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
But then I saw they I swear I saw something
where they announced him as a shooting style.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
See that's like that.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
This is why I'm on the I wish I wish
I could just go to find the list, you know,
Shooting Stars dot Com, WPT slash Shooting Stars or something.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Yeah, I wish I could just go to WPT dot
com and I wish I could just click, you.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Know, the event, and it has already has them in
the chip counts or something.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Maybe this is it. Jeff Platt, David Baker. Yeah, I'm
not going through all these there's all these different volumes.
Bounty Spotlight volume one through it looks like ten on
WPG dot com. That's a lot to go through.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
WPT October six. He will henceforth be referred to as
WPT guy, Jaredman, Jennie and the newest WPT shooting st Casino.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
He's in there.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
So but like, yes, all the graphics I'm looking out
of the same ones. You know you've named it at Jared, I.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Guess, I mean, I'm not adding it's just a talking point.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
I just thought it would be easier if you just
had all the champions.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah, and then I guess, what's the goal of the
shooting stuff do you want people to have?

Speaker 1 (51:36):
I didn't have michaelmas Rocky on there, right, I didn't
or did I know he's in there too? I believe
I believe he was the first one announced. I'm I'm
actually weirdly surprised not to see will Casoof.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Oh that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
I mean, listen, obviously he's very polarizing.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
But I mean, Savage has kind of been talking about how,
you know, the the wil Casus stuff. He I think
in Cyprus they were he was talking about how he
had like a sit down with him, like all that
sort of stuff, so I thought, you know, maybe he
gets an invite then, right. Also, I think it's kind
of in vain with like the new brand positioning of

(52:17):
WPT in that they're kind of trying to stir the
pot at times, and.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I don't think anyone's gonna stir the pot much more
than then We'll miss Brian Altman.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
He's he's a crusher.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Fweur time Champ, right, three time Champ.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
I think it's three, it's two or three. I mean
obviously the biggest one with six out is phil Ivey,
like I just thought he would be. I thought he
would almost be announced as number one. It should, I mean,
but again, maybe he has, you know, prior commitments or whatever.
I'm sure we'll we'll hear about it that we're talking
about it also on this you know, the the final

(52:53):
table being moved to Las Vegas in December. Getting back
to my point about like if anyone's ever been there,
they know the atmosphere of this event. I think you
really miss out on that moving it out of Bay
one on one and putting it in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Does that mean you the skip playing the main event? Yeah,
in Vegas it's fold day five.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
No, because the WPT World Championship here goes like whatever
till the nineteenth, and then.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
There's not day day five.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yeah, I mean whatever, they'll I'm sure they'll make some
sort of accommodation here, it's obviously, and then that final
table plays out on the twenty first, so I think
I think we'll be okay there. But yeah, I just
that atmosphere there at Bay one on one was always
one of the coolest, most electric atmospheres in any poker
tournament not named the WSP main event, So, you know,

(53:42):
removing it from that area I think is a little
bit of a knock. But I am excited to see
WPT Shooting Star back. It's it's one of my favorites.
I do think wish that we would get you know,
LAPC back, Blagio five, diamondback. I want those those marquee
wpts to come back. I don't know if they ever will.
Maybe this is a sign of first ones to come,

(54:03):
you know, but we'll see. And then, speaking of big
marquee poker tournaments, WSP Europe just wrapped up. Okay, So,
and I know why you're saying that, and I know
why you're laughing. And I've I had many messages come
my way saying like, hey, did you know what WSP
Europe was happening. I think I've said this many times

(54:27):
on this podcast or wherever, but I feel like I'm
as tapped in as anyone in the industry. I was
not aware WSP Europe was happening until I saw on
social media that Martin Cabrell want to brace it, and
that was like events into the schedule. I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
I knew it was on. I just didn't really didn't
care because I was following it from the start.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
But I mean, so that is that a problem.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Now.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Let me say first is that I don't really think
numbers looked that down.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Now.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
I looked at some of the numbers, they looked like
they were all right, overall. Now the main event, it
was eight seventeen in twenty twenty three, then it was
seven sixty eight last year, and then this year was
six fifty nine last year to this year. That's a
fourteen percent decrease. So and also that trend of you know,
dropping for two consecutive years. So yeah, I don't know,
it's just.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
To me.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
WSP Europe was like it was the w s AP,
but it was like an ultra luxurious, high end model
of the WSP. It was in a super high end location.
You know, London was expensive to go to. They had
it in can that was incredible, like you know, all
that sort of stuff. The euro or the pound compared

(55:44):
to the dollar made everything bigger. Like I don't know,
it was just more luxurious, it was sexier. It was
it was the designer brand WSP. And now I just
I can't help but think in a lot of ways
it's an afterthought and I I hate it because I
love the doubis B Europe. I think it's so cool. Right,

(56:06):
all that's happened with ws A P Europe this year.
It also came with the fact that they are moving
it next year. Yeah, moving two things, one location, two timeframe.
They're going to be moving it from King's Casino and
Rozudov to the Hilton Prague, which Prague is incredible to
go to if you've been there for a poker tournament.
But it is taking place March thirty first through April twelfth.

(56:27):
I mean, you're the guy that you understand tournament schedules.
I don't think better than anyone, So like, how do
you feel about that time?

Speaker 2 (56:34):
So it's really bad?

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Okay, I mean I will trust you. I initially saw
that one. It's basically right on top of the Irish
Poker Open, yeah, which is a very popular now it
doesn't have the big big buy ins like w B
Europe does, but still very very popular. That runs March
twenty six through April sixth isn't this also right around seminal? Like,
isn't there a seminal event?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
There's a few events. Okay. First thing we have to
discuss is that, you know, I've never been to the
Hilton Prague. You might be a very popular place, so
convention space. This may be the only window they have.
So if that is the case and so true, let's
pretend it is not the only window they have going
against the Irish Poke re Open is bad, especially if
you're in a competing country right or continent right Europe. Now,

(57:21):
if let's say the ASI millions will probably discuss what's
happening and you went over the top of that, that's fine.
You know, Australia Europe. Twenty four hour flight doesn't really
matter the fact that you were a couple hours difference
from a fly and you're really forcing people that live
in Spain, England, Ireland everywhere in Europe to make a
decision between you know, Irish Poke re Open, which is

(57:42):
a very popular spot popular stop sorry, and WSP Europe
is pretty tough. Now, what I will say is that
looking at the schedules, it is likely that the WSP
Europe Main event will start at the very tail end
of Irish Poke Reperence, so meaning you can go play
the Irish pokeer Open main event and then you can
also play the WSP Europe Main Event, but that means

(58:04):
you missed the first week of side events because they overlap. Here.
For Americans, it's likely to be pretty safe that you
can go to both Irish Poker Open is at this
stage going to overlap a little bit of our plo series.
That's fine. WSP Europe probably going to overlap a little
bit of our US Poker Open. But for players, you know,
it's expensive to play poker, so you're gonna have to

(58:25):
make a choice whether you want to go WSP Europe
because if you are American, like I said, you have
a PLO series. If you're a Pelo player, you have
our Usbro but something more affordable that kind of fits
more with what WSP Europe do will do. Schedule wise,
you have Seminal Hard Rock Poker Showdown. That main event
starts April twenty fourth. You touched on kind of the

(58:45):
dates for that. The Bourgade Spring Open and Why these
guys Always like to Battle is another podcast for another
day that overlaps the Seminal Hard Rock as well. That
starts April twenty second. And if you're Australian, you know,
Australians don't really travel that much anymore. But Buzzimillions coming
back April twenty fourth, so there is a lot of

(59:05):
stuff going on. You know, you got the Double Clash
in Europe, you got the Double Clash Triple Clash kind
of if you consider us too here in the USA,
so it's really tough and like you could definitely if
they had a lot more availability. You know what would
have made sense to me. You just move WSP Europe
a few weeks earlier, start of March. You can immediately

(59:30):
follow EPT Paris and then you can lead You've got one, two,
three to three in a bit weeks to run WSP Europe.
Then you can go into the Irish Poke group. And
then you don't jeopardize any field sizes. You don't force
players to pick or choose. You're gonna have players come
to Europe right and think about it. You know it's

(59:53):
going to be if you're from the East coast something
it's cold. You get to go to Paris in February
March and then you can go to Prague and then
you can go to Ireland. That seems like a pretty
fun trip. So if they had moved it a month earlier,
it would have been perfect. It would also been during
the American spring break, which is you know, if you
think if you're if you've got a family, you may
take them a little trip to Prague. Not a bad

(01:00:14):
idea too. So yeah, I hate the time slot. I'm
assuming though, I'm going to say it right now, numbers
will go up because I think you because people can
play both the Irish proc ope at Maine and the
WSP Europe main most likely that should be fine. New
location is always going to be a trend up. Nothing
super heavy competing with it here in America, but yes,

(01:00:34):
if you've got a limit a bankroll, you're going to
really have to pick or truths.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
I used to love when I want to say it
was EPT London, then WSP Europe, then EPT Monte Carlo.
We're like literally back to back to back, and you
could you just traveled them like I would go for
Poke News and we would just go to all of
them like it was and maybe it was maybe it

(01:00:58):
was EBTC and Remo, then WSP Europe, than Manco, whatever
it was. It was like three three basically in a row.
And you know, I think I think tours should look
to do that more often. And that doesn't necessarily mean
that they need to be talking to one another, but
seeing when stuff is on the schedule and then butting
up against it, which I think we're seeing now with
that that PLO series in Malta, you know, right on

(01:01:19):
the tail end, butting up against EPT Malta, right, So
you're very likely going to have some carryover, so I
would like to see that with with some of these
big series like this. I do think it's going to
go up in attendance because I think Prague is going
to be a better place to draw players. You know,
we've just heard that roz would Off is a chore
to get to and people don't want to go there,

(01:01:41):
so I would imagine they want to go to Prague.
I guess my one question coming out of this change
in time is, so what's going to happen in the
second half of the year. Are we going to run
back another w SP Europe? Is it going to go
somewhere else, you know, like because remember they had w
SP Europe and WSP Asia Pacific you know, on either

(01:02:02):
side of the WSP in the summer, like you know,
now we have Paradise. So are are we going to
have something or is it just going to be you know,
springtime WSP Europe then the summer WSP. Then we're just
gonna have to wait till December for WSP Paradise or
is there going to be something in between WISP and Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
And WSB Paradise. You want to hear it first.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
I want to hear it first.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
WSP macaw baby, Are you serious? Yes, Okay, I feel
like this move is perfect. I mean, if it is
a macaw like not a thing in poker anymore. Fine, WSP, JJU,
WSP Japan, WSP Asia Pacific. You know, obviously JJU is

(01:02:44):
a spot that you know, a lot of the high
rollers around the world, Americans Europeans have been before to
play TRENT events. Obviously WSP have a partnership with Tridon.
I could definitely see, you know, if you look at
the September October schedule, the big event you obviously have
is you have trying one into try and jdrew which
is early September. Why couldn't you run trading jjrew straightened

(01:03:07):
a WSP, you know, WSP Asia, whatever they want to
call it, WSP JJRE or that Try and Stop is
now has WSP events in it. So it's kind of
like the opposite to Paradise, where there's a few trying
events you kind of flip it, right, that's the deal,
where so tryon is running and you have say three

(01:03:27):
or four WSB Bracelet events, you know some of that.
So I could see that definitely happening. You know, I've
talked to people a WSP and we've kind of heard
down the grapevine that you know, they want to expand
they want to do more stops. So this, to me
would make a lot of sense to more stops. Can
you do? Man? You can do one every month easily.
Like the circuit. You have the circuit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
But that's what I mean is that the circuit is running.
Like sometimes there's multiple circuit events happening at the same time.
And like right now even on WSP dot com here
in the States, they have their Bracelet series, and they
have a circuit series, and they have what's called the
online Championships all running simultaneously. I look in the lobby,
I have no idea what's going on. Half the time,

(01:04:10):
just just click enter and I mean basically I do.
But it's like it's just it's just a lot, you know.
It's like, can't we space all this out?

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
I don't think they you know, need to, you know,
like if it just like we had that conversation today
about you know, winn and Venetian and everything that happens
in Vegas, and there's there's stuff for us to choose
all the time. We can go to South Point, we
can go to the Horseshoe, we go wherever you want
to play poker and get your fix. It's kind of
up to you what you want to play or what
place you like. And just because the WSP brand, I

(01:04:41):
don't see why they can't do something similar and have
you know at that those price points offer more and more. Now,
if you're Sean Deep, yes you may be the guy
that goes to all of them to bring those that
bracelet count up. But if you're a josh Aiah, for example,
you may just also be selective choose. I'm gonna choose Paradise.

(01:05:01):
I'm gonna choose WSP Vegas, and I'm good with that,
you know, So it's it's still personal choice. You kind
of offer the market, and the market will tell you
if there's a need there. Now, if they run try
and JJ and it bombs, then they go, okay, that
didn't work, kind of like Asia Pacific only the last
two years. If you run WSP JJU and it crushes
because everyone from Try and stays and more people come,

(01:05:24):
then you keep it like you don't know until the
market is going to tell you when you run.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
It yeah, I'm almost so interested if they ever go
to Brazil, you know, I think that that could be
massive for them. WSP Brazil, I think would be freaking enormous,
And now I think you would.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Can you play j there? I think so you should
just yeah, you should run WSP wherever you can.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
That's kind of wherever you can play GG. Yeah, I
mean yeah, that's you know, it makes sense. But as
part of the series the spup that just wrapped up,
we had Daniel Piden winning the SUP main Events one
point four million euros, a former EBT Berlin winner in
twenty thirteen. I think he's finished in the top ten
of EBT Berlin two other times. In addition to that

(01:06:09):
EPT Berlin win. So crusher there Sean Deep won the
twenty five KGG millions for his what's that eight that
heat getting a little bit of flak from some people
because it was only thirty eight thirty eight entries. Yeah,
but everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
People gave shit to Ivy for winning the uh the
mixed event in Australia that had something like that too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
You yeah, I mean whatever, but that's part that's part
of it, I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
My stance is that you know, I know people say
allline bracelets don't count. The only live ones count. These
don't count if they only have certain players. Whatever my
stance is and forever will be. If the operator says
that they're bracelets, they're bracelets.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Now we can debate if it's a good use of
your trophy, which you know, we uphold as the most
prestigious prize in the game, you know, or if we
should you know, treat them a little bit better. We
can debate that part of it. But if the operator
says it's a bracelet, it's a bracelet. So sewande want
to brace it. Doesn't matter if it had you know,
three players, or if it had three hundred and eighty

(01:07:08):
or thirty eight, doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
He want to raise it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Martin Cabrell won the ten k PLO Mystery Bounty. Renngi
Mao won the five k POO. Now, I actually I
kind of don't like that mystery bounty tournaments are bracelet events.
I kind of don't like that. I don't know why,
I just it's just something about me. Mystery bounties feel
like a lottery and like, on one side you have

(01:07:33):
this crazy prize pool, but then you're also playing a
tournament for a bracelet, Like I don't know that that
rubs me more wrong than you know, Shawnde winning a
thirty eight entry field.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Really, I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
I just feel I feel kind of weird, like I
would I would rather and I listen. I know why
mystery boundies are popular. They're widely popular. I don't like
to play them. I'll play them online because they're super soft,
but like I won't play them live. I wish that
these were pko's. I think it's just such a better format.
It's more like a competitive tournament format, more pure in

(01:08:04):
that sense. So yeah, I just with the mystery bounty format.
My issue is like they just take so much money
out of the prize pool and it's kind of just silly.
And it's like we see it every year. We see
it every year at the WSP with that the Mystery Millions,
you know, where it's like we celebrate these guys that
won the mystery Bounty pools, and we just forget about
the person that won the bracelet, like we do who
won the bracelet? We don't even know. I know your

(01:08:26):
boy wonted two years ago, or did he win this
last year, the Aussie guy two years ago. But it's
like we just talked about we talk about the guy
who won the pie Gout Jackpot in Tyler Montoya, who
won the two mystery Boundy, Like yeah, like that's what
we talk about more. And it's like, but these tournaments
are supposed to be for the bracelets, right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
But if if all that money went to the prize
pool and some guy won two million dollars, would we
talk about that or do we talk more about the hall.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Yeah, we talk about how some guy won two million
dollars from a one K buy and and be twenty
thousand entry. That's what we would talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Some guy just putting his hand in a treasure chest
pulling on a million dollars is kind of cool. Yeah,
it drives the clicks.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
I understand it drives the clicks, but it also drives
the clicks for twenty four hours. I mean, that's the
new cycle we live in, Like everything's gone in twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Four hours, especially at the World Series anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Tobias Peters won the three K six Max, Benji Mao
won the five K PLO. Those are some of the
highlights from the WSP Europe schedule and then we'll see
how it goes for the new location and the new
time slot for next year. I think I'm generally with
you and that they're going to see an uptick.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Yeah. Have I announced the schedule.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
I don't think so. But they did say fifteen bracelets. Okay,
because like it'll probably be very similar.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
We see a buy and change for the main event.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
No ten k euro, it'll be ten k e uro.
It should be ten k uro. Keep it there, let's go.
The only thing that I question, this isn't even really
a question, is I've been to progue a bunch for EPD.
Prog with that was always in December, when it was
Christmas time, you had the holidays, the Christmas markets like
all that sort of. It was magical. There absolutely magical,
tons of fun. I don't know about proguing, you know,

(01:10:01):
late March early, It's probably awesome, Yeah, but it it
just doesn't have that magical holiday element that I know
so many people gravitate towards with EPT PROP Right, you
got anything else for me?

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
No, not really.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
I'm excited for the PGTPOL series. I'm excited for the
Super high rollerble Plo. I'm excited for NAPT. I know
we didn't really touch on that here, but you know,
NAPT is less than a month away now. It's going
to be happening November third through twelfth at Resorts World,
Las Vegas. The main event is a five K has
a three million dollar guarantee. They got a whole bunch

(01:10:34):
of other tournaments on the schedule. I think they have
some smaller like I want to say, three hundred and
sixty dollars buying stuff for like some one day nightly
type of things. They got the one K Poker Stars Open,
they got a twenty two hundred Poker Stars Open high Roller.
They got a bunch of high rollers that are all
PGT qualifying events. There are eight of those with ten
K buying or higher, all the way up to the

(01:10:55):
fifty k Super high Roller. So yeah, I'm excited to
be there. I'm going to try and be playing a lot.
I know you're going to be there too, hopefully playing.
I hope you're I'm gonna play the three hundreds pro play,
the one kid would Poker Starts open thingy whatever that
is to start the series, and then you cash and
then you parlay it into the main then you just

(01:11:15):
keep you just keep going, Man's keep this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
So I did last weekend and work out piloting my
Venetian and the wind didn't work. Whatever, you know what
I'm excited about. Very off topic. Not do it with
any poker this weekend. Not this weekend. Yeah, this weekend
an Arizona USAFL Nationals. Oh my god, big rarely locked
down on this pocket on this football tournament. But win,

(01:11:39):
lose or draw when I come home on Tuesday, on Monday,
cutting my hair, shaving my.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Mustache, Okay, I mean, okay, what do you want?

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
What do you want to stage? I'm excited to finally
cut my hair it's been fourteen months, shaving my mustache
being also fourteen months big news.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
I'm just excited to play a bunch of poker. I'm
not gonna play a ton for the next two weeks
or so, just because with the series that we got
going on. I'm being here, but have been playing a bit.
I guess on that front. I was thinking the other
day when I was playing at the win, the first
one of these venues that goes to eight handed, because
when we were playing it was nine handed. First one

(01:12:22):
that goes to eight handed is gonna win, hands Down'm
gonna win. So somebody needs to go to eight handed.
Just go to eight handed. I'm telling you it'll be
so much better. It'll be so much better. And yeah,
you have to talking about Okay, more labor. You know
what else happens. Shorter handed people bust faster, more re entries.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Like you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
And also it's it's not like it's like it's not
like you're two x in your labor, Like you might
have to add like let's say they have twenty tables running,
you might have to add like three or four more tables.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
It's not that much.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
And I think as long as you create a good
product and you continue to improve your product, you're gonna
make up for in the long run because people will
flock to your venue more. They will come, they will
want to play there, all that sort of stuff. So
the first one and like I just need to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Does the Wind need to go i'd handed? Or I
like people were still going to come if it's nine
I don't think that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Okay, how about this, the Wind missed their guarantee for
like the first time, and I can remember they did,
they missed two guarantees. Well, I know, they missed the
big one. They had a sixteen hundred dollars million dollar
guarantee championship. They missed it by a little bit, but
I think by ten entries, so so not a ton,
but still, I mean, five day, it's a lot. It's
also like when I was there on the final starting

(01:13:35):
flight and I heard the floor talking about like how
they need to hit a certain number to get back
on pace, like how they were going to miss it,
like all this sort of stuff. I was like, even
that alone, even that conversation was so surprising to me
because I'm just like, I'm just used to the wind,
just like easily beating, easily beating, easily beating. Now, there
is a ton of stuff happening all over the world
in poker, right, It's just a ton. Like even that

(01:13:55):
price point that was a sixteen hundred, you know, there's
a twelve hundred down in Texas. There's an eleven hundred
our WPT prime at the lodge. Like, there's a ton
of stuff going on, right, It's just it's getting harder
and harder and harder. That said, I will say that
I don't think it's necessarily a need, but it's one
of those things where like if you're just constantly looking
to improve your product a little bit more, a little

(01:14:15):
bit more, a little bit more every single year, month, series, whatever,
it is, So like, I think what the wind does
right now is pretty close to the best, if not
the best, pretty close to perfect whatever however you want
to phrase it. So like, even if you're the best,
if you're one of one, what's the next step to

(01:14:36):
getting better? Because you should still always try and get
it better. And to me, the only thing I can
really think of for them is eight handed. Go to
eight handed, because that would be incredible. It would be
so incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
I'd hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
But why would you hate it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
What do you mean? What do you eat?

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
When I played, I was like, fine, and it is fine.
It's not like it's like it's not like it's six handed.
I mean, and it is fine. You get more leg room.
It's just better. Like it's just it's just better.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
It's just a better product enough for them to need
to do it. It's a it's a what's what do
you say? You said? What's that thing you say? It's
nice to have a need to have right at this
stage now, if if the numbers that say you know
Venetian or if you know Seminoal when they open their guitar,
they have a poker room and everyone fucks there. Hey,
you may need to make adjustment sent but brying now

(01:15:32):
winner is harsh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
I think I think everyone needs to needs to move
to to eight handed. I would I would maybe even
do something like, listen, let's start with all tournaments one
K buying and higher. Those are going to be eight handed.
You know, maybe you don't do it for the eight hundred,
it's a six hundred, the four hundred, et cetera. But
you know, I do think and and if you think

(01:15:54):
about it, it kind of falls in line with what's
happened over history. Poker was once handed, and then they
finally everyone got on board with nine handed. I mean
it took a long time, but finally it happened, right yeah,
I mean even like the WSP recently was like you'd
be like, oh, they might have to go ten handed,
they might have to go ten handed, but that this
doesn't happen anymore, right, It's like, now, I think that

(01:16:15):
next progression is make things eight handed. You already see
seven and eight handed in high rollers, Like let's get
that trickle down to the other stuff, right, I think
that that can that can be a big boost. So
I would like to see it, and I think that
it's not that big of an ask revenue wise when
you have to consider, you know, the more labor, because
ultimately your product will just be better in the longer.

(01:16:38):
So I I do think that you know, the first,
like major venue. And when I say that, I'm talking
about like, you know, the win Venetian, like you know,
a big, major venue that's running these these things regularly.
Seminole for example, you know obviously the other side of
the country. But still once they I if you're the first,
I think you're gonna you're gonna reap the benefits of it.

(01:16:58):
So that's my thought. There might take there, but that's
all I got, and that's all you got, so all right,
that's gonna do it for us. His name is Tim Duckworth,
my name is Donnie Peters, and we will talk to
you guys next time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
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