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July 4, 2025 47 mins

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Post: https://www.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1lq84sk/falling_into_cause_and_effect/

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# What did we talk about?

Zen Masters tell people that enlightenment is not based on cause and effect, and that enlightened people are not subject to karma.  This was heresy as far as 8fp Buddhists were concerned.

Cause and effect mattered to Buddhists back in the day... what is the modern version that matters to people now?

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