Bill Winn with C. Baxter Kruger / Good Dirt

In this week's conversation, long-term friend and host of the Good Dirt, Bill Winn, sits down with Baxter and Jason to explore the sacred-secular divide that has shaped so much of Christian thinking. From hilarious tales of roosters and bees to profound moments about porta potties and car repairs, Baxter, Jason, and Bill unpack how the presence of the Father, Son, and Spirit infuses all of life—not just church services or “religious” activities.

Together they challenge the false split between sacred and secular, showing how every vocation, and every moment in life can all be seen as sacred as we participate in the great life and dance of the Father, Son, and Spirit. Then the conversation turns to explore what union with Jesus truly means. Together, they unpack how union ends religious striving, revealing that we have always belonged to the Father, Son, and Spirit—even before the foundation of the world.

Through personal stories, scripture, and practical insights, they show that union isn’t about trying to get to God but waking up to the truth that Jesus has already united himself with us—even in our darkest places. It is this good news that brings a peace and freedom beyond anything we’ve known before.

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