July 15, 2024 • 44 mins
Now more than ever, there is a vital need to understand the importance of the unity God has created within every believer in Christ Jesus. As a believer in Jesus, you are part of the body of Christ and the kingdom of God, knit together intricately. Discover the power of your distinct role and purpose within the Body of Christ and how this unique placement contributes to unity. Join host Christina Perera in this vibrant episode of Revealing Jesus, where she delves deep into the theme of unity within the Body of Christ. Christina, with her guest Jamie Luce, explores how God knits believers together to form a unified and powerful force for the Kingdom. This episode is part of the Summer Throwback Series, featuring a conversation recorded in 2022.
In this compelling dialogue, Christina and Jamie discuss how believers can foster and maintain unity amid diverging seasons and experiences. They emphasize the importance of recognizing each person's unique role within the Body of Christ, the beauty of non-competitive cooperation, and the significance of mutual support. With references to biblical scenarios and personal anecdotes, the conversation offers practical insights into strengthening spiritual bonds and overcoming common pitfalls like jealousy and comparison. "Unity is not about agreeing on everything, but loving each other and working together for God's purpose." -Jaime Luce
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Welcome to Revealing Jesus. Are you hungry to learn more about our beautiful Savior Jesus?
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I am your host, Christina Perra, lover of Jesus, apostolic leader, licensed and ordained
minister, author, podcaster, and Kingdom Party planner. Did you know that the Bible declares
that grace and peace are multiplied to us in the knowledge of Jesus? And that simply
means the more we learn about our beautiful Savior, the more we will experience all He
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died to give us. Join me for all things the King and his Kingdom, including revelatory
teaching, interviews with Bible ministers, media leaders, authors, and more. Come discover
the beauty of God displayed all across the body of Christ. Together we are revealing
more of Jesus to a hurting world today.
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Hey everybody! Thanks so much for tuning into this week's episode of Revealing Jesus with
Christina Pereira. I am your host Christina and I'm so excited to have you with me here
today. I hope and I pray that you are doing well right where you are and enjoying the
continuously flowing favor of grace pouring from our beautiful Savior and Father in Heaven.
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I've got a great show for you today. We are going to continue our summer throwback series.
You guys, I have absolutely loved this series. And today the Lord has put on my heart an
episode that I did back in 2022 with a fellow minister, author, and podcast host by the
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name of Jaime Luce. And we had an amazing conversation about how the Lord has created
unity within the body of Christ and how we can help foster that unity and discover how
God intricately sets each and every one of us within the body of Christ where we are
to be connected. And with everything that is going on in the world today, especially
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over the weekend with the assassination attempt on former President Trump, I believe that
unity right now is so incredibly powerful. You know, the Lord had me start this ministry
back in 2016 and he said, I want you to foster unity and I want you to help fulfill the great
commission together with love and unity. And here on Revealing Jesus, which is a worldwide
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outreach of Christina Prayer Ministries, that is exactly what we do. And it's so important.
I think right now in this day and age, it is vital that we see that God has created
in himself one new man. And when you become a believer in Jesus, you are no longer in
the world. You are of a different kingdom and it's the kingdom of God. And within
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the kingdom of God, there is love, there is unity, and there is great power in that. And
so I'm so excited because this is a poignant message for today in this hour. And I really
hope that this blesses you and encourages you to help foster the unity that God has
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already created you in right where you are. But before we get started, I want to give
a quick shout out to our Christina Perera Ministries sponsors. Go4Ministries, who provides
all of our equipment rental. Life Changing Productions, who helps put together evangelistic
events to reach our city for Jesus. Harvest Family Network, through which I am licensed
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and ordained. And Davis Financial Services, who does all of our financial accounting.
I hope and I pray that these episodes have blessed you. I pray that as you're listening,
your faith is encouraged and inspired. And I invite you to sow back into this ministry
so we can keep bringing you these faith building episodes. You can find out more information
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on how to sow back into this ministry at christinaperera.org slash donate or link in the show notes.
Let's jump back into my conversation with Jaime Luce. Hey everybody, thanks so much
for tuning into this week's episode of Revealing Jesus with Christina Perera. I am your host
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Christina and I'm so excited to have you with me here today. I hope and I pray that you
are doing well right where you are and enjoying the continuously flowing favor of grace pouring
from our beautiful Savior and Father in heaven. I've got a great show for you today. I have
an amazing leader in the body of Christ with me. She is one of my fellow CPN podcast hosts.
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She is an author and founder of Jaime Luce Ministries. Jaime, welcome to the podcast.
Thank you. I'm so happy to be here with you today, Christina. Oh, well, it's an honor
and pleasure. I've just I've loved getting to connect with all of my fellow podcast hosts
and all of the amazing people in the body of Christ just laying their lives down for
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Jesus and it's such an honor to have you with me. Thank you. You know, I feel the same way
it the Lord knows how to set us as we were praying earlier set us in the body as he wills
and we get to make these connections and find one another. So this is a real joy for me
today. Absolutely. Well, you know, I've told our listeners a lot about you. Is there something
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that you can share with them? Maybe something personal just to help them get to know you?
Well, I just watched a book. So I'm kind of in the exhale moment because I just work at
that. But what's kind of been a fun transitional new thing for me is basically an empty nester.
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I do have one at home, but he's grown. He's just not married yet. So he hasn't flown the
coop. But aside from that, he takes care of himself. So my husband and I, for the first
time in many, many, many years have been able to take some little trips here and there and
just spend some new time together and kind of reconnect as just us. And so my, I love
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the old movie. So this is a little tidbit. I love the old movie that, well, it was done
by several people, but tombstone. And it's just an old cowboy movie. But one of the lines
at the very end is about them loving room service. So that's my new little joke with
my husband. When he takes me away, it's like, I love to just go to the hotel and get some
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room service. That way I don't have to do any cleanup and do anything. So that's kind
of my little venture right now. I'm enjoying this little bit of taking a breather. So,
oh my goodness. Well, you are giving me hope because I have a seven year old at home. You
know, she's not grown and she's still very dependent. Although we were, we are working
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on independence. So the whole, you know, if you need a drink, you can go get a drink love.
You know where it's at. I don't withhold liquids from you. Mommy's still good mommy, but you
can go do it yourself. That's right. That's right. So I am dreaming of the day where I
can get to the point and have room to service. That sounds amazing. Isn't it? Yeah. I, I'm
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trying to wrap my brain around that right now. Well, trust me, I have four children
and I have three grandchildren and a fourth on the way. So I do know what that is to work
continuously nonstop. I said, moms are the only people that their job and many of them
have more than that job, but it never stops. It's 24 seven, even on vacation. So unless
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you can get some quiet time to yourself, it's really rare few and far between. So I will
be praying for you, Christina endurance. That's right. And I'm rejoicing with you enjoy it.
Move it out, man. Thank you. So good. Well, I love that we were praying earlier and I,
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you know, I felt the Holy spirit, you know, hit my heart when you said that the unity
in the body of Christ. And I, I felt like that would be an amazing topic to talk about
today. Um, just how we can each pour into each other and just encourage one another,
even in, even though we're in different seasons, you know, can you talk about that a little
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bit about your experience and, you know, uh, having the body of Christ pour into you and
how that's been for you? Sure. You know, I had, I'm fortunate enough and I, and I, I
understood this at a very young age. And I remember thanking the Lord for it. One night
in my bed, I was probably about eight years old, but I was raised in a Christian home
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and very loving parents. I had a very, um, in a good way, a very uneventful childhood,
just a fun, relaxed childhood. And, um, my father was, um, uh, he sang in a quartet.
So we got the fun of getting on a bus, you know, we were the Christian version of little
rock band and when you would travel around on that bus with him a lot and have that fun.
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And then my mom has always been a Bible teacher my whole life. So I really had a rich heritage
and I understood somehow, and I don't even know how the Lord had my little mind know
it and wrap around that, but I understood that he had set me in a family and I remember
praying that. And that first understanding body connection really started for me very
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young and I heard a message not too long ago. And the example they gave just really burned
in my memory. And I, and I like to share this because I think that it will help people understand
when Paul talks so much about the body of Christ and how we fit together and what that
looks like.
Are, you know, we have, let's use the example of a wrist. I have a wrist and that wrist
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is very important because that wrist enables my hand and my arm to do what they're able
to do together. And without that wrist, I would have no functionality with my hand,
my fingers. However, if you took that same wrist and tried to attach it to my ear, it
would do absolutely no good. I would lose function for both because why away? And I
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would have no ability where I'm supposed to have it. And so the body of Christ being
knit together. I mean, I love that term anyway. I'm not a knitter. My grandmother did knit
and I would sit and watch her intricately do these little patterns of, of taking the
yarn and wrapping it around the needle and tucking it in a certain way and having almost
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a, there is definitely a rhythm. Otherwise parts will be larger or smaller and you have
to really know what you're doing when you knit something together. And so when God says
that he knit us together, to me, that's the beauty of when we come across people and we
just think it's, it's happenstance. We're just, you know, it's just, it's just by chance
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that I met this person and we don't recognize that God is at work and he is knitting us.
He is, he is with such rhythm and beauty tying together and placing together people for a
purpose. And that purpose might be to encourage one or the other. It might be to strengthen.
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It might be for work. It might be for, for fun and pleasure. I think of, I ran into someone
once and they ended up telling me about, and I thought again, it's just random. They didn't
know that I was trying to think of something to plan for a birthday for someone. And hearing
that conversation sparked the idea of what I could do. And, and we take these little
things as nothing. And yet God is the great tapestry maker and he's, you know, making
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such a beautiful thing for us. If we'll recognize his handiwork and it comes so much by us making
those connections that unity is not just because I think we, we tend to take unity or the definition
of unity and make that, that we agree about everything. And that's not what unity is.
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Unity is that I love you with the love of the Lord and I will come into contact with
you and what's the purpose that God has for us. And we do that together in unity. We may
not think the same about many things. We may not have the same background. We may not have
the same experience. You know, in my life, a little personal thing where I really met
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the Lord for myself, you know, you can have, you can be raised in a Christian home and
you can know and have a lot of head knowledge about the Lord and you can love him. I mean,
you could know that he's good and that you recognize that he's been a big part of your
life. But when you run into issues that you need God, it changes everything. It changes
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relationships so much. And I ended up in a situation where I was a single mother with
two children and I was young still and, and it was terrifying. And my need for a provider
and for a covering and for strength and encouragement was just massive. I mean, it was overwhelming.
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To be quite honest, just overwhelming. And yet it was the goodness of God to show up
and show me who he was at that time by connecting me in the right body of Christ with the right
people to bring friendship around me during that time with, with those, a pastor who didn't
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hold whatever mistakes I had made in my life or what had happened to me against me, who
loved me was in my corner, him and both his wife and then rejoiced with me when I found
the man who I've never been married to for 28 years. They were a part of all that and
got to be a part of the story. It's that, it's that interweaving of all of those things
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that God does to bring us together. And I just, that is who God is. He is, he's, you
know, the scripture says that he sets the, the solitary into families. His heart is to
bring us together. His heart is to watch us be one. Jesus's last real prayer before ascending
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to the father, make them one is you and I are one that that is heart that we would love
one another. That's how we're known. That's how he knows that people know that we belong
to him is that we love one another. We care for one another. We, we make sure that the
needs around us are met to the best that we can. You know, we, we don't simply say, um,
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you know, I'm praying for you, be well, go on your way. Right. There's something that
can I do something? Can I be a part? Can I help in some way? Yeah. And in doing that,
we then feel the love and the presence of the Lord, not just the love of those friendships,
but we feel God, it really makes him manifest for us and that we can see his character,
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who he is. He's just so precious. Absolutely. I love that. Well, you know, my, my experience
kind of growing up and I grew up in a Christian home, but there was really not a lot of Christian
about it other than the fact that we went to church and, um, you know, God was my family.
He really was even from a young age, I was saved at the age of seven and I had this incredibly
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prophetic relationship with God and he was, he was the father I talked to all night long.
And uh, you know, I'm so thankful because what I didn't have in my earthly family, he
has brought to me in the body of Christ. I have the most amazing spiritual mothers and
fathers I have. I have such incredible brothers and sisters. I really do. And for me, it's
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never been, it's never been a church thing. It's never been a denomination thing. It's
been a family thing. And, um, you know, I always tell people the agenda of heaven is
always together. It's always together. And, you know, I just really believe and it, you
know, for those of you who follow my ministry, we, we do events and things where we bring
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the body of Christ together so that we can reach others and we can demonstrate our love
to others and our love for God and our, our, our love just in general. And, um, I really
do believe that he has set such power in the body of Christ. And if we could only see it,
and we already are one, you know, I love that Jesus says that, uh, like, just like you prayed
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his great high priestly prayer, but, uh, um, the apostle Paul says, uh, there's now neither
slave nor free Jew, nor Greek male, nor female. You know, we are all one in Christ Jesus.
And that's exactly it. And just like we talked about when we started this conversation, you
know, it's bearing with one another's burdens and rejoicing in the good and praying for
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the hard, you know, and just like you said, really, really getting down in the nitty gritty
of life with one another saying, where do you need help? Just like you talked about,
um, you know, it's not just, Oh, can I pray? But it's, I can, can I pray, but what can
I do? You know, how can I encourage you? How can I help? How can I, how can I spur you
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on? That's one of the biggest things I've seen in the body of Christ is just, we really
need to come to the place where we spur one another on and we stop competing. Have you
seen that? Yes. You know, I was watching an interview last night on a Christian television
network, um, with, uh, Lisa Vavir, and she was being interviewed and they asked her a
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question about how did she handle as they came to a place of leadership and prominence,
the worry of comparison. And she chuckled at first because she's, you know, she's a
little older, she's in her fifties and, um, she said, you know, I didn't grow up with
a cell phone. So it was easier for her because she wasn't part of that generation that just
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continually has strangers before them. And, and we really have to be careful that, that
as the body of Christ, that we don't fall into the world's traps, that we are not conformed
to the world and that we can be the example that, that in the, in the desire to do for
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God, I think the trap is a little bit different for Christians, at least those who are in
ministry of some sort, you're, you're trying to do something for the Lord. You know, he's
given you a message and he, you know, that he wants you to get that message out. But
the trap we can fall into then is how do I do that? And I start looking at what other
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people are doing. And in the midst, in the midst of trying to learn and grow, which is
a good thing and figure out how to do what God's called you to do. We can, we can get
down on ourselves and begin to think, but I can't do it like that person or I don't
have that and they have this and, and, and we can start to compare even amongst the really
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good things that we're trying to do and look for instead of understanding that he made
us as a body with different parts so that the whole thing will work the way it's supposed
to work. And that if I will just not worry about what I can and can't do and just say,
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Lord, help me just to do what you're asking me to do. If you've asked me to do it, then
I'm equipped to do what you've asked me to do. And I'm supposed to do it in the way I
do it, because there's somebody who I will touch that needs to hear this. And those people
are touching those people that they are called to touch, but they're not reaching everyone.
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And I have to be, I have to reach the ones he's called me to reach. So we have to be
careful to not fall into the world's trap, but to also realize, wow, what a beautiful
thing that he's done making us all so different that we do have individual fingerprints for
a reason that he did individually. I knit you in your mother's womb. I knew you before
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you were even there, you know, it's that we are the idea of God. We were his idea. And
when you realize you're his idea, then you have a hard time looking down on yourself
because you don't think God has a bad idea. It's God's idea. He made me this way. He's
given me gifts and talents to be used in conjunction with those around me, because I'll have a
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strength that they don't have and they'll have a strength that I don't have. And when
we do this together, wow, you know, it's the threefold cord. That's not easily broken.
It's us two and the Lord, whatever, whatever that us two is, whoever is needing agreement,
whoever comes to us and we take their hands or, or over the phone and we come into agreement,
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but we've got the Lord. So we know we have the strength that we need by coming together
that that is our power to be in you is our power. I think of the, the, the disciples
that Jesus never sent them out alone. He sent them out two by two. He's find someone to
agree with, find someone to be in unity with, find someone where your power can come together
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and you can go on effectively change. And, and this is what we do even with podcasting.
It might be one person behind a microphone, but they're talking with someone else or they're
talking with, whether it's an interview or it's the audience member and the two are coming
together. I know that it can seem in one instance, like it's so far away because we're not in
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the room together, but when you sense the Holy spirit speaking to you, you know, you're
all together. You can feel that unity come into you. You come into a bond with the Holy
spirit and with one another and it produces what God's intent was, whether that strength
or power or provision or encouragement or, you know, whatever correction, even whatever
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we might need that's provided when we'll do it the way that God tells us what he lays
out for us. We're guaranteed the results that he's faithful to provide. That's why he's
given us those instructions.
Yeah. I love that so much. I think so, so much of that is accurate. You know, we are,
when we are learning and we're going with God, it's so easy to fall into that comparison
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trap and we have to realize what one, one place that I had to, I had to really watch
myself as just saying, okay, this is as good as I can do it. You know, this is, I'm going
to do it with what I have, even if it doesn't look like such and such person, you know,
even if it's not as polished or not as this or not as that or whatever, but this is what
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I can do. This is this little portion, you know, that I can do with the Lord with the
resources he's given me. And, and it's enough. It's enough. And, you know, the, one of the
biggest things I've realized is that, you know, God really does dream and people, you
know, he doesn't always dream in policies or procedures or things like that, but he,
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he creates God created solutions in the form of people. And he endows each and every one
of us with gifts and talents, personalities, uh, that we can reach those who we will reach.
And you know, one of the ways that I've tried to combat that comparison in my own life is
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to simply give thanks for what he's doing in the life of another. And I find that if
I can do that, you know, and really rejoice that the body of Christ is prospering and
the life of this other person. Um, and it just kind of keeps my heart in the right place,
you know, and just knowing that, um, a lot of times I've seen like, just like how you
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mentioned how we can't be conformed to this world's ways of thinking, we have to let go
of that scarcity mindset where if this person is being blessed, that means I can't still
be blessed. Well, guess what? God's grace and his blessings are like a waterfall. And
let me tell you something. He doesn't know when to stop. So, yes, yes, he's abundant
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overflowing. Yeah. Absolutely. And so if we can just wrap our heads around that and just
realize that there is no scarcity in the kingdom and that just because your brother or sisters
being radically blessed, it means that it means that you can be just as radically blessed
like them because guess what? None of us deserve it. That's right. Absolutely. You know, it
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makes me think of the children of Israel here. God has this God, this God plan and dream,
like you said, through people through Abraham that I'm going to birth a nation and they
go through all the makings of becoming a nation through Isaac to Jacob, through his sons,
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through Egypt. They come out of Egypt. They they're in the desert. They're 40 years of
wandering. I mean, the whole plan was to get them to this promised land and be this blessed,
multiplied people. And when it comes time to take hold of their inheritance, God specifically
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has Moses lay out for them that neither one had to worry. They each had their own borders.
They each had enough for them that whatever they needed, because each part of that group,
I'm going to use that as an example, like the body, they each had a different calling.
So the Levites had their call to handle with the taking care of the temple or the tabernacle
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and all of its pieces and parts and whatever things had to be done aside from what the
job of the very high priest was to go into the Holy of Holies. But even in that, when
you're reading scripture, not only did he have a job for each one to do, they were on
like a rotation so that not one person was wore out and not one person had to bear the
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brunt of everything. Amen. And it would have times and seasons. And it just is a beautiful
picture of what God does with us, that whether he's using a brother or sister right now,
that's their time for whatever purpose that he has for them to be in service to him. And
yet your time will come too. And there isn't a lack of what needs to be done. There isn't
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a lack of his provision. He owns it all. Everything that there is he has. I have a friend who
had been on the mission field over and over again. And one of the times they were going,
the budget to get them all there was so small. It was a decent size group that went and they
were all still fairly young. Cell phones were brand new to the world at large. And my friend
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happened to have the faith for a phone. She just thought being this far away, I really
need to have a cell phone to be able to do what I need to do effectively. And so she
began praying and the Lord provided a phone for her. And she did run up against the, just
the immaturity and the lack of understanding really of the other members who felt like,
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well, you got one and I didn't, that's not fair. And instead she said to them exactly
what you just said. Well, if you need one, just ask for one. I asked for one. You know,
just that's right. Just ask him. He does. He's not holding out on you. I just happened
to ask. So he gave to me what I needed. And we can get kind of caught up in that. And
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that is a part of that comparison thing. And instead of understanding that he is no respecter
of persons, you quoted the scripture that Paul says, you know, there in God's eyes,
we are all the same. We are one. We're his children. I have, like I said, four children
and plenty of grandchildren. And I don't want to give one thing to some, you know, an ice
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cream to one. And I say, no, the rest of you, you just can't have ice cream. This one's
my favorite. I'm only giving this one ice cream. I would imagine that like, horrible.
It would. And yet we all, does anybody else want an ice cream or pass it on ice cream?
I know. Right. And so, you know, in the Bible says is that if we being evil know how to
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give good gifts to our children, how much more we are heavenly father who is perfect,
give good gifts to those who ask. And the Bible says that we have not because we ask
not. So, you know, I mean, we just got to start getting really good at asking and it's
not selfish. You know, the Lord, when I first got baptized in the Holy spirit, he really
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took me on a journey and you know, we're always on a journey, right? But he really taught
me how to ask for things spiritually and to just receive so much because he has so much
to give. And, you know, it was hard for me because because of how I grew up, I never
wanted to ask for anything. I always felt like a burden. I was told I was a burden.
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I was told, don't ever ask for anything. So it was a real challenge for me. But I've just
learned in all of these years of asking, he's never withheld anything from me. Never. No
anointing, no gift, no, you know, no moment with him, no revelation I've ever asked for.
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He's never withheld it. And if we just can ask, you know, I it's it's okay. It's okay
to be dare. I even say it this way, a spiritual glutton, because you know what? We need to
be spiritual. We are bankrupt without him. Right? Right. Well, and he does help us to
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understand that because if you if you picture a river, so many times we talk about the Spirit
of God being like a river, but a river has a place where there's some source that's pouring
into it. But it also has a place if it's a living river that it's pouring out of. And
so we have to continually be asking because he's going to be continually asking of us
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to his hands extended to be his feet to to show his love wherever that might be. And
to do that means we have to continually be poured into. Yeah. So I would be limiting
God if I don't ask him, I'm limiting what I can do if I don't allow him to pour into
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me or to be my provider and give to me. I'm limiting it's the picture of when Isaiah says
stretch out your curtain, your tent curtains and your tent, your stakes and lengthen your
cords. People don't understand what that sometimes we just think of that as make me bigger. But
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what we don't realize is we're we're enlarging our territory. We are expanding our capacity.
And by doing that, when you think of a large tent, maybe even like the tent meetings that
are that are popping up all over now, or the ones of old and those tents are so massive
that it takes great strength and mighty stakes and work to put a large tent up. So when we
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ask to be enlarged, it may be uncomfortable. It may take a lot of work. And it but it's
that process of being stretched and made bigger and fortifying and making our roots go down
really deep that cause us to be that larger shelter to have more capacity to to bring
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shelter to more people to enable us to be more effective and do more. It really is the
work of the Lord for us to allow him to be poured into us to make us bigger. And so it's
not a selfish thing. And that's where we kind of get hung up on a wrong mindset. We think
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that that somehow we are like you said, a burden, like somehow that that's putting a demand
on God, when he said, I want to do this, because I have desire to be with you to use you for
my glory to then bless you because you've been willing. It's part of his process. Yes,
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it's the beauty of the way he gives the generosity of who he is the abundance of who he is, that
there is no lack, there is no end, he's eternal. So you're we're not going to tap him out.
He has more whatever he has more he is more. I love that so much. And I think you you hit
the nail on the head there. It's it's absolutely is absolutely correct. We're tearing down
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some mindsets, some, some disunity, some jealousy, some comparison, some scarcity mindsets. Let's
tear them down, man. This quote, this quote came up on my heart. That's a DL moody quote.
And I love it. It says the world has yet to see what God can do with and for and through
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and in by the man who was fully and wholly consecrated to him. You know, we can't be
fully and wholly consecrated if we're not willing to be stretched and grown and do things
that we have never done before. Just like how you are publishing your book, I am in
the midst of stepping into some of those things too. And let me tell you, it is stretching
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and it's terrifying. And, you know, even the podcasting and the writing and the speaking
and all of it, whenever I get up to speak, I just, I say, okay, God, you do it through
me. I'm just yielding to you. That's it. You know, and the one thing I found is that he
feels fully justified in asking us to do things that are so far beyond our comfort zone, because
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he is so, yeah, he is so supremely confident in his ability to do it through you.
Yes. And that's, you know, that's beautiful because that really is it. We think we're
doing it in our humanity and we're simply yielding and he's doing it from his position
of supernatural. I mean, it's just, it's his power working through us. It's him. It's,
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it's, it's when we have yielded ourselves and we say, okay, we've now taken our personal
element out of it. And we've said, I've made room, Lord, for you to now do what you want
to do. Come on, do it. Amen. Do it. Come on. Yes. I love it. Well, this has been such a
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fun conversation. Is there anything burning on your heart that you'd like to say directly
to our listeners today? You know, I, I just want people to know right now, no matter what
you're facing, no matter how difficult it might seem, it won't always look like this.
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It won't always feel like this. There are definitely times and seasons in the Lord and
that if you are in a season of battles that you know, God has directed you in that direction,
then you can actually rejoice because if you're in a season of battles, that means that you're
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in a season of taking your inheritance. Come on. God doesn't direct us to battles just
for a fight, just to wear us out, just to let us be beaten down and torn apart. What
he's doing is to say, no, I've already determined that this is your inheritance. I'm going before
you and if I'm before you, nothing can be against you. This weapon that's formed, it's
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not going to prosper, but I'm just telling you, let's go take some territory. Let's go
do this. So even if it seems like there's battle after battle after battle, when you
are walking in obedience to the Lord, just be encouraged. This is your season. You're
not waiting for your season. You're in your season. You are actually taking territory
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and you will see the fruit of that labor come and manifest in a time of peace when you've
taken all the territory he has for you to take. You're just in a place of abundance.
You don't realize it yet, but that's what you are. So I just want to encourage people.
This is not, we're not in a season, no matter what's happening in the world, no matter what's
happening around us right now, no matter what it looks like when we're hand in hand, like
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we talked about in unity with the Holy Spirit, there is nothing we can't do and there's nothing
he won't do for us. We will be victorious. We will be victorious.
Amen. So good, Jamie. So good. I love it. I love it. Will you pray for our listeners
before we go? Sure. Heavenly father, I just thank you for
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every single person listening today. Lord, they have come seeking a drink of water from
you and you are pouring out liberally the refreshing that they have needed. Lord, I
pray that you give them new vision that they can see from your heavenly perspective, what
you're planning for them, what you're giving them, what you're providing them with, what
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they already have that they don't even recognize that they have, that you are on their side.
You are for them and not against them, that you will do great and mighty wonders through
them and for them, that all that they have need of today, there isn't one thing that
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they have need of today that you can't do something about it today. So father, we give
you everything into your hands. We say thank you for being such a loving father. Thank
you for loving us. Thank you for being our provision and our caretaker, our covering.
Father, thank you for being our shelter, removing our shame, removing our sin, removing the
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hindrances from us and giving us the power to go in might in your precious son's name.
We thank you for what you're doing. We thank you for the price that you've already paid.
It is enough. You said it is finished. What you have done, it is enough. And because of
that, we have enough. Thank you God for all you're doing in your precious name. Amen.
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Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Well, this has been so much fun. I agree. I agree. Thank you so
much for being here with me today. Well, I hope and I pray today's episode has blessed
you and I will have the links from today's podcast and resources in the show notes on
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cbn shows.com or wherever you get your podcasts under revealing Jesus with Christina Perera.
There you'll find additional resources to connect with us and our special guest, Jaime
Luce. Until next week, may grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of Jesus.
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God bless. Beloved, let me introduce you to my King. He is altogether lovely. No matter
which way you turn him, he is perfection personified. He is velvet and steel. He is meekness and
majesty. He is glory and humility. He is kindness and strength. He is altogether lovely. And
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he is my King and he can be yours as well. All day long, he holds his hand that you might
take that you might turn one step, one grass, one. Yes, one breath away from the arms of
your loving savior. Beloved, if you hear him, do not harden your heart. The Bible declares
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that not one of us has guaranteed another moment upon this earth. So pray this prayer
with me today and run into the arms of the one who loves you, who knows you best. Father,
I ask you to forgive me for all of my sin, for all of the places that I have fallen short,
God, of your glorious standard. I ask you now to send your Son into my heart, to be
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the forgiveness of my sin, to be my redemption, to be my righteousness, to be my holiness,
to be my sanctification. I ask you to forgive me, to cleanse me, to fill me with your Spirit,
your power, your glory, that I might bring glory to your name, Father. I thank you that
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I receive all of this by faith in the Son of God who loved me and who gave himself up
for me. I thank you that I am now a child of God, fully forgiven, fully righteous, fully
holy in your eyes. And I ask you to help me walk out this life in a way that pleases and
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honors you, Father. I thank you, Jesus, for all that you've done. I thank you for your
love, for your kindness, for your great joy in saving me. And I thank you, Father, and
I thank you, Holy Spirit. And I pray all of these things in your beautiful Son's name.
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Hey everybody! Thanks so much for tuning into this week's episode of Revealing Jesus with
Christina Pereira. I am your host Christina and I'm so excited to have you with me here
today. I hope and I pray that you are doing well right where you are and enjoying the
continuously flowing favor of grace pouring from our beautiful Savior and Father in Heaven.
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I've got a great show for you today. We are going to continue our summer throwback series.
You guys, I have absolutely loved this series. And today the Lord has put on my heart an
episode that I did back in 2022 with a fellow minister, author, and podcast host by the
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name of Jaime Luce. And we had an amazing conversation about how the Lord has created
unity within the body of Christ and how we can help foster that unity and discover how
God intricately sets each and every one of us within the body of Christ where we are
to be connected. And with everything that is going on in the world today, especially
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over the weekend with the assassination attempt on former President Trump, I believe that
unity right now is so incredibly powerful. You know, the Lord had me start this ministry
back in 2016 and he said, I want you to foster unity and I want you to help fulfill the great
commission together with love and unity. And here on Revealing Jesus, which is a worldwide
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outreach of Christina Prayer Ministries, that is exactly what we do. And it's so important.
I think right now in this day and age, it is vital that we see that God has created
in himself one new man. And when you become a believer in Jesus, you are no longer in
the world. You are of a different kingdom and it's the kingdom of God. And within
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the kingdom of God, there is love, there is unity, and there is great power in that. And
so I'm so excited because this is a poignant message for today in this hour. And I really
hope that this blesses you and encourages you to help foster the unity that God has
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Let's jump back into my conversation with Jaime Luce. Hey everybody, thanks so much
for tuning into this week's episode of Revealing Jesus with Christina Perera. I am your host
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Christina and I'm so excited to have you with me here today. I hope and I pray that you
are doing well right where you are and enjoying the continuously flowing favor of grace pouring
from our beautiful Savior and Father in heaven. I've got a great show for you today. I have
an amazing leader in the body of Christ with me. She is one of my fellow CPN podcast hosts.
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She is an author and founder of Jaime Luce Ministries. Jaime, welcome to the podcast.
Thank you. I'm so happy to be here with you today, Christina. Oh, well, it's an honor
and pleasure. I've just I've loved getting to connect with all of my fellow podcast hosts
and all of the amazing people in the body of Christ just laying their lives down for
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Jesus and it's such an honor to have you with me. Thank you. You know, I feel the same way
it the Lord knows how to set us as we were praying earlier set us in the body as he wills
and we get to make these connections and find one another. So this is a real joy for me
today. Absolutely. Well, you know, I've told our listeners a lot about you. Is there something
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that you can share with them? Maybe something personal just to help them get to know you?
Well, I just watched a book. So I'm kind of in the exhale moment because I just work at
that. But what's kind of been a fun transitional new thing for me is basically an empty nester.
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I do have one at home, but he's grown. He's just not married yet. So he hasn't flown the
coop. But aside from that, he takes care of himself. So my husband and I, for the first
time in many, many, many years have been able to take some little trips here and there and
just spend some new time together and kind of reconnect as just us. And so my, I love
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the old movie. So this is a little tidbit. I love the old movie that, well, it was done
by several people, but tombstone. And it's just an old cowboy movie. But one of the lines
at the very end is about them loving room service. So that's my new little joke with
my husband. When he takes me away, it's like, I love to just go to the hotel and get some
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room service. That way I don't have to do any cleanup and do anything. So that's kind
of my little venture right now. I'm enjoying this little bit of taking a breather. So,
oh my goodness. Well, you are giving me hope because I have a seven year old at home. You
know, she's not grown and she's still very dependent. Although we were, we are working
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on independence. So the whole, you know, if you need a drink, you can go get a drink love.
You know where it's at. I don't withhold liquids from you. Mommy's still good mommy, but you
can go do it yourself. That's right. That's right. So I am dreaming of the day where I
can get to the point and have room to service. That sounds amazing. Isn't it? Yeah. I, I'm
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trying to wrap my brain around that right now. Well, trust me, I have four children
and I have three grandchildren and a fourth on the way. So I do know what that is to work
continuously nonstop. I said, moms are the only people that their job and many of them
have more than that job, but it never stops. It's 24 seven, even on vacation. So unless
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you can get some quiet time to yourself, it's really rare few and far between. So I will
be praying for you, Christina endurance. That's right. And I'm rejoicing with you enjoy it.
Move it out, man. Thank you. So good. Well, I love that we were praying earlier and I,
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you know, I felt the Holy spirit, you know, hit my heart when you said that the unity
in the body of Christ. And I, I felt like that would be an amazing topic to talk about
today. Um, just how we can each pour into each other and just encourage one another,
even in, even though we're in different seasons, you know, can you talk about that a little
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bit about your experience and, you know, uh, having the body of Christ pour into you and
how that's been for you? Sure. You know, I had, I'm fortunate enough and I, and I, I
understood this at a very young age. And I remember thanking the Lord for it. One night
in my bed, I was probably about eight years old, but I was raised in a Christian home
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and very loving parents. I had a very, um, in a good way, a very uneventful childhood,
just a fun, relaxed childhood. And, um, my father was, um, uh, he sang in a quartet.
So we got the fun of getting on a bus, you know, we were the Christian version of little
rock band and when you would travel around on that bus with him a lot and have that fun.
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And then my mom has always been a Bible teacher my whole life. So I really had a rich heritage
and I understood somehow, and I don't even know how the Lord had my little mind know
it and wrap around that, but I understood that he had set me in a family and I remember
praying that. And that first understanding body connection really started for me very
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young and I heard a message not too long ago. And the example they gave just really burned
in my memory. And I, and I like to share this because I think that it will help people understand
when Paul talks so much about the body of Christ and how we fit together and what that
looks like.
Are, you know, we have, let's use the example of a wrist. I have a wrist and that wrist
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is very important because that wrist enables my hand and my arm to do what they're able
to do together. And without that wrist, I would have no functionality with my hand,
my fingers. However, if you took that same wrist and tried to attach it to my ear, it
would do absolutely no good. I would lose function for both because why away? And I
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would have no ability where I'm supposed to have it. And so the body of Christ being
knit together. I mean, I love that term anyway. I'm not a knitter. My grandmother did knit
and I would sit and watch her intricately do these little patterns of, of taking the
yarn and wrapping it around the needle and tucking it in a certain way and having almost
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a, there is definitely a rhythm. Otherwise parts will be larger or smaller and you have
to really know what you're doing when you knit something together. And so when God says
that he knit us together, to me, that's the beauty of when we come across people and we
just think it's, it's happenstance. We're just, you know, it's just, it's just by chance
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that I met this person and we don't recognize that God is at work and he is knitting us.
He is, he is with such rhythm and beauty tying together and placing together people for a
purpose. And that purpose might be to encourage one or the other. It might be to strengthen.
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It might be for work. It might be for, for fun and pleasure. I think of, I ran into someone
once and they ended up telling me about, and I thought again, it's just random. They didn't
know that I was trying to think of something to plan for a birthday for someone. And hearing
that conversation sparked the idea of what I could do. And, and we take these little
things as nothing. And yet God is the great tapestry maker and he's, you know, making
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such a beautiful thing for us. If we'll recognize his handiwork and it comes so much by us making
those connections that unity is not just because I think we, we tend to take unity or the definition
of unity and make that, that we agree about everything. And that's not what unity is.
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Unity is that I love you with the love of the Lord and I will come into contact with
you and what's the purpose that God has for us. And we do that together in unity. We may
not think the same about many things. We may not have the same background. We may not have
the same experience. You know, in my life, a little personal thing where I really met
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the Lord for myself, you know, you can have, you can be raised in a Christian home and
you can know and have a lot of head knowledge about the Lord and you can love him. I mean,
you could know that he's good and that you recognize that he's been a big part of your
life. But when you run into issues that you need God, it changes everything. It changes
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relationships so much. And I ended up in a situation where I was a single mother with
two children and I was young still and, and it was terrifying. And my need for a provider
and for a covering and for strength and encouragement was just massive. I mean, it was overwhelming.
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To be quite honest, just overwhelming. And yet it was the goodness of God to show up
and show me who he was at that time by connecting me in the right body of Christ with the right
people to bring friendship around me during that time with, with those, a pastor who didn't
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hold whatever mistakes I had made in my life or what had happened to me against me, who
loved me was in my corner, him and both his wife and then rejoiced with me when I found
the man who I've never been married to for 28 years. They were a part of all that and
got to be a part of the story. It's that, it's that interweaving of all of those things
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that God does to bring us together. And I just, that is who God is. He is, he's, you
know, the scripture says that he sets the, the solitary into families. His heart is to
bring us together. His heart is to watch us be one. Jesus's last real prayer before ascending
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to the father, make them one is you and I are one that that is heart that we would love
one another. That's how we're known. That's how he knows that people know that we belong
to him is that we love one another. We care for one another. We, we make sure that the
needs around us are met to the best that we can. You know, we, we don't simply say, um,
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you know, I'm praying for you, be well, go on your way. Right. There's something that
can I do something? Can I be a part? Can I help in some way? Yeah. And in doing that,
we then feel the love and the presence of the Lord, not just the love of those friendships,
but we feel God, it really makes him manifest for us and that we can see his character,
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who he is. He's just so precious. Absolutely. I love that. Well, you know, my, my experience
kind of growing up and I grew up in a Christian home, but there was really not a lot of Christian
about it other than the fact that we went to church and, um, you know, God was my family.
He really was even from a young age, I was saved at the age of seven and I had this incredibly
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prophetic relationship with God and he was, he was the father I talked to all night long.
And uh, you know, I'm so thankful because what I didn't have in my earthly family, he
has brought to me in the body of Christ. I have the most amazing spiritual mothers and
fathers I have. I have such incredible brothers and sisters. I really do. And for me, it's
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never been, it's never been a church thing. It's never been a denomination thing. It's
been a family thing. And, um, you know, I always tell people the agenda of heaven is
always together. It's always together. And, you know, I just really believe and it, you
know, for those of you who follow my ministry, we, we do events and things where we bring
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the body of Christ together so that we can reach others and we can demonstrate our love
to others and our love for God and our, our, our love just in general. And, um, I really
do believe that he has set such power in the body of Christ. And if we could only see it,
and we already are one, you know, I love that Jesus says that, uh, like, just like you prayed
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his great high priestly prayer, but, uh, um, the apostle Paul says, uh, there's now neither
slave nor free Jew, nor Greek male, nor female. You know, we are all one in Christ Jesus.
And that's exactly it. And just like we talked about when we started this conversation, you
know, it's bearing with one another's burdens and rejoicing in the good and praying for
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the hard, you know, and just like you said, really, really getting down in the nitty gritty
of life with one another saying, where do you need help? Just like you talked about,
um, you know, it's not just, Oh, can I pray? But it's, I can, can I pray, but what can
I do? You know, how can I encourage you? How can I help? How can I, how can I spur you
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on? That's one of the biggest things I've seen in the body of Christ is just, we really
need to come to the place where we spur one another on and we stop competing. Have you
seen that? Yes. You know, I was watching an interview last night on a Christian television
network, um, with, uh, Lisa Vavir, and she was being interviewed and they asked her a
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question about how did she handle as they came to a place of leadership and prominence,
the worry of comparison. And she chuckled at first because she's, you know, she's a
little older, she's in her fifties and, um, she said, you know, I didn't grow up with
a cell phone. So it was easier for her because she wasn't part of that generation that just
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continually has strangers before them. And, and we really have to be careful that, that
as the body of Christ, that we don't fall into the world's traps, that we are not conformed
to the world and that we can be the example that, that in the, in the desire to do for
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God, I think the trap is a little bit different for Christians, at least those who are in
ministry of some sort, you're, you're trying to do something for the Lord. You know, he's
given you a message and he, you know, that he wants you to get that message out. But
the trap we can fall into then is how do I do that? And I start looking at what other
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people are doing. And in the midst, in the midst of trying to learn and grow, which is
a good thing and figure out how to do what God's called you to do. We can, we can get
down on ourselves and begin to think, but I can't do it like that person or I don't
have that and they have this and, and, and we can start to compare even amongst the really
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good things that we're trying to do and look for instead of understanding that he made
us as a body with different parts so that the whole thing will work the way it's supposed
to work. And that if I will just not worry about what I can and can't do and just say,
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Lord, help me just to do what you're asking me to do. If you've asked me to do it, then
I'm equipped to do what you've asked me to do. And I'm supposed to do it in the way I
do it, because there's somebody who I will touch that needs to hear this. And those people
are touching those people that they are called to touch, but they're not reaching everyone.
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And I have to be, I have to reach the ones he's called me to reach. So we have to be
careful to not fall into the world's trap, but to also realize, wow, what a beautiful
thing that he's done making us all so different that we do have individual fingerprints for
a reason that he did individually. I knit you in your mother's womb. I knew you before
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you were even there, you know, it's that we are the idea of God. We were his idea. And
when you realize you're his idea, then you have a hard time looking down on yourself
because you don't think God has a bad idea. It's God's idea. He made me this way. He's
given me gifts and talents to be used in conjunction with those around me, because I'll have a
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strength that they don't have and they'll have a strength that I don't have. And when
we do this together, wow, you know, it's the threefold cord. That's not easily broken.
It's us two and the Lord, whatever, whatever that us two is, whoever is needing agreement,
whoever comes to us and we take their hands or, or over the phone and we come into agreement,
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but we've got the Lord. So we know we have the strength that we need by coming together
that that is our power to be in you is our power. I think of the, the, the disciples
that Jesus never sent them out alone. He sent them out two by two. He's find someone to
agree with, find someone to be in unity with, find someone where your power can come together
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and you can go on effectively change. And, and this is what we do even with podcasting.
It might be one person behind a microphone, but they're talking with someone else or they're
talking with, whether it's an interview or it's the audience member and the two are coming
together. I know that it can seem in one instance, like it's so far away because we're not in
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the room together, but when you sense the Holy spirit speaking to you, you know, you're
all together. You can feel that unity come into you. You come into a bond with the Holy
spirit and with one another and it produces what God's intent was, whether that strength
or power or provision or encouragement or, you know, whatever correction, even whatever
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we might need that's provided when we'll do it the way that God tells us what he lays
out for us. We're guaranteed the results that he's faithful to provide. That's why he's
given us those instructions.
Yeah. I love that so much. I think so, so much of that is accurate. You know, we are,
when we are learning and we're going with God, it's so easy to fall into that comparison
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trap and we have to realize what one, one place that I had to, I had to really watch
myself as just saying, okay, this is as good as I can do it. You know, this is, I'm going
to do it with what I have, even if it doesn't look like such and such person, you know,
even if it's not as polished or not as this or not as that or whatever, but this is what
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I can do. This is this little portion, you know, that I can do with the Lord with the
resources he's given me. And, and it's enough. It's enough. And, you know, the, one of the
biggest things I've realized is that, you know, God really does dream and people, you
know, he doesn't always dream in policies or procedures or things like that, but he,
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he creates God created solutions in the form of people. And he endows each and every one
of us with gifts and talents, personalities, uh, that we can reach those who we will reach.
And you know, one of the ways that I've tried to combat that comparison in my own life is
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to simply give thanks for what he's doing in the life of another. And I find that if
I can do that, you know, and really rejoice that the body of Christ is prospering and
the life of this other person. Um, and it just kind of keeps my heart in the right place,
you know, and just knowing that, um, a lot of times I've seen like, just like how you
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mentioned how we can't be conformed to this world's ways of thinking, we have to let go
of that scarcity mindset where if this person is being blessed, that means I can't still
be blessed. Well, guess what? God's grace and his blessings are like a waterfall. And
let me tell you something. He doesn't know when to stop. So, yes, yes, he's abundant
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overflowing. Yeah. Absolutely. And so if we can just wrap our heads around that and just
realize that there is no scarcity in the kingdom and that just because your brother or sisters
being radically blessed, it means that it means that you can be just as radically blessed
like them because guess what? None of us deserve it. That's right. Absolutely. You know, it
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makes me think of the children of Israel here. God has this God, this God plan and dream,
like you said, through people through Abraham that I'm going to birth a nation and they
go through all the makings of becoming a nation through Isaac to Jacob, through his sons,
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through Egypt. They come out of Egypt. They they're in the desert. They're 40 years of
wandering. I mean, the whole plan was to get them to this promised land and be this blessed,
multiplied people. And when it comes time to take hold of their inheritance, God specifically
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has Moses lay out for them that neither one had to worry. They each had their own borders.
They each had enough for them that whatever they needed, because each part of that group,
I'm going to use that as an example, like the body, they each had a different calling.
So the Levites had their call to handle with the taking care of the temple or the tabernacle
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and all of its pieces and parts and whatever things had to be done aside from what the
job of the very high priest was to go into the Holy of Holies. But even in that, when
you're reading scripture, not only did he have a job for each one to do, they were on
like a rotation so that not one person was wore out and not one person had to bear the
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brunt of everything. Amen. And it would have times and seasons. And it just is a beautiful
picture of what God does with us, that whether he's using a brother or sister right now,
that's their time for whatever purpose that he has for them to be in service to him. And
yet your time will come too. And there isn't a lack of what needs to be done. There isn't
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a lack of his provision. He owns it all. Everything that there is he has. I have a friend who
had been on the mission field over and over again. And one of the times they were going,
the budget to get them all there was so small. It was a decent size group that went and they
were all still fairly young. Cell phones were brand new to the world at large. And my friend
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happened to have the faith for a phone. She just thought being this far away, I really
need to have a cell phone to be able to do what I need to do effectively. And so she
began praying and the Lord provided a phone for her. And she did run up against the, just
the immaturity and the lack of understanding really of the other members who felt like,
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well, you got one and I didn't, that's not fair. And instead she said to them exactly
what you just said. Well, if you need one, just ask for one. I asked for one. You know,
just that's right. Just ask him. He does. He's not holding out on you. I just happened
to ask. So he gave to me what I needed. And we can get kind of caught up in that. And
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that is a part of that comparison thing. And instead of understanding that he is no respecter
of persons, you quoted the scripture that Paul says, you know, there in God's eyes,
we are all the same. We are one. We're his children. I have, like I said, four children
and plenty of grandchildren. And I don't want to give one thing to some, you know, an ice
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cream to one. And I say, no, the rest of you, you just can't have ice cream. This one's
my favorite. I'm only giving this one ice cream. I would imagine that like, horrible.
It would. And yet we all, does anybody else want an ice cream or pass it on ice cream?
I know. Right. And so, you know, in the Bible says is that if we being evil know how to
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give good gifts to our children, how much more we are heavenly father who is perfect,
give good gifts to those who ask. And the Bible says that we have not because we ask
not. So, you know, I mean, we just got to start getting really good at asking and it's
not selfish. You know, the Lord, when I first got baptized in the Holy spirit, he really
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took me on a journey and you know, we're always on a journey, right? But he really taught
me how to ask for things spiritually and to just receive so much because he has so much
to give. And, you know, it was hard for me because because of how I grew up, I never
wanted to ask for anything. I always felt like a burden. I was told I was a burden.
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I was told, don't ever ask for anything. So it was a real challenge for me. But I've just
learned in all of these years of asking, he's never withheld anything from me. Never. No
anointing, no gift, no, you know, no moment with him, no revelation I've ever asked for.
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He's never withheld it. And if we just can ask, you know, I it's it's okay. It's okay
to be dare. I even say it this way, a spiritual glutton, because you know what? We need to
be spiritual. We are bankrupt without him. Right? Right. Well, and he does help us to
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understand that because if you if you picture a river, so many times we talk about the Spirit
of God being like a river, but a river has a place where there's some source that's pouring
into it. But it also has a place if it's a living river that it's pouring out of. And
so we have to continually be asking because he's going to be continually asking of us
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to his hands extended to be his feet to to show his love wherever that might be. And
to do that means we have to continually be poured into. Yeah. So I would be limiting
God if I don't ask him, I'm limiting what I can do if I don't allow him to pour into
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me or to be my provider and give to me. I'm limiting it's the picture of when Isaiah says
stretch out your curtain, your tent curtains and your tent, your stakes and lengthen your
cords. People don't understand what that sometimes we just think of that as make me bigger. But
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what we don't realize is we're we're enlarging our territory. We are expanding our capacity.
And by doing that, when you think of a large tent, maybe even like the tent meetings that
are that are popping up all over now, or the ones of old and those tents are so massive
that it takes great strength and mighty stakes and work to put a large tent up. So when we
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ask to be enlarged, it may be uncomfortable. It may take a lot of work. And it but it's
that process of being stretched and made bigger and fortifying and making our roots go down
really deep that cause us to be that larger shelter to have more capacity to to bring
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shelter to more people to enable us to be more effective and do more. It really is the
work of the Lord for us to allow him to be poured into us to make us bigger. And so it's
not a selfish thing. And that's where we kind of get hung up on a wrong mindset. We think
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that that somehow we are like you said, a burden, like somehow that that's putting a demand
on God, when he said, I want to do this, because I have desire to be with you to use you for
my glory to then bless you because you've been willing. It's part of his process. Yes,
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it's the beauty of the way he gives the generosity of who he is the abundance of who he is, that
there is no lack, there is no end, he's eternal. So you're we're not going to tap him out.
He has more whatever he has more he is more. I love that so much. And I think you you hit
the nail on the head there. It's it's absolutely is absolutely correct. We're tearing down
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some mindsets, some, some disunity, some jealousy, some comparison, some scarcity mindsets. Let's
tear them down, man. This quote, this quote came up on my heart. That's a DL moody quote.
And I love it. It says the world has yet to see what God can do with and for and through
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and in by the man who was fully and wholly consecrated to him. You know, we can't be
fully and wholly consecrated if we're not willing to be stretched and grown and do things
that we have never done before. Just like how you are publishing your book, I am in
the midst of stepping into some of those things too. And let me tell you, it is stretching
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and it's terrifying. And, you know, even the podcasting and the writing and the speaking
and all of it, whenever I get up to speak, I just, I say, okay, God, you do it through
me. I'm just yielding to you. That's it. You know, and the one thing I found is that he
feels fully justified in asking us to do things that are so far beyond our comfort zone, because
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he is so, yeah, he is so supremely confident in his ability to do it through you.
Yes. And that's, you know, that's beautiful because that really is it. We think we're
doing it in our humanity and we're simply yielding and he's doing it from his position
of supernatural. I mean, it's just, it's his power working through us. It's him. It's,
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it's, it's when we have yielded ourselves and we say, okay, we've now taken our personal
element out of it. And we've said, I've made room, Lord, for you to now do what you want
to do. Come on, do it. Amen. Do it. Come on. Yes. I love it. Well, this has been such a
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fun conversation. Is there anything burning on your heart that you'd like to say directly
to our listeners today? You know, I, I just want people to know right now, no matter what
you're facing, no matter how difficult it might seem, it won't always look like this.
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It won't always feel like this. There are definitely times and seasons in the Lord and
that if you are in a season of battles that you know, God has directed you in that direction,
then you can actually rejoice because if you're in a season of battles, that means that you're
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in a season of taking your inheritance. Come on. God doesn't direct us to battles just
for a fight, just to wear us out, just to let us be beaten down and torn apart. What
he's doing is to say, no, I've already determined that this is your inheritance. I'm going before
you and if I'm before you, nothing can be against you. This weapon that's formed, it's
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not going to prosper, but I'm just telling you, let's go take some territory. Let's go
do this. So even if it seems like there's battle after battle after battle, when you
are walking in obedience to the Lord, just be encouraged. This is your season. You're
not waiting for your season. You're in your season. You are actually taking territory
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and you will see the fruit of that labor come and manifest in a time of peace when you've
taken all the territory he has for you to take. You're just in a place of abundance.
You don't realize it yet, but that's what you are. So I just want to encourage people.
This is not, we're not in a season, no matter what's happening in the world, no matter what's
happening around us right now, no matter what it looks like when we're hand in hand, like
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we talked about in unity with the Holy Spirit, there is nothing we can't do and there's nothing
he won't do for us. We will be victorious. We will be victorious.
Amen. So good, Jamie. So good. I love it. I love it. Will you pray for our listeners
before we go? Sure. Heavenly father, I just thank you for
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every single person listening today. Lord, they have come seeking a drink of water from
you and you are pouring out liberally the refreshing that they have needed. Lord, I
pray that you give them new vision that they can see from your heavenly perspective, what
you're planning for them, what you're giving them, what you're providing them with, what
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they already have that they don't even recognize that they have, that you are on their side.
You are for them and not against them, that you will do great and mighty wonders through
them and for them, that all that they have need of today, there isn't one thing that
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they have need of today that you can't do something about it today. So father, we give
you everything into your hands. We say thank you for being such a loving father. Thank
you for loving us. Thank you for being our provision and our caretaker, our covering.
Father, thank you for being our shelter, removing our shame, removing our sin, removing the
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hindrances from us and giving us the power to go in might in your precious son's name.
We thank you for what you're doing. We thank you for the price that you've already paid.
It is enough. You said it is finished. What you have done, it is enough. And because of
that, we have enough. Thank you God for all you're doing in your precious name. Amen.
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Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Well, this has been so much fun. I agree. I agree. Thank you so
much for being here with me today. Well, I hope and I pray today's episode has blessed
you and I will have the links from today's podcast and resources in the show notes on
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cbn shows.com or wherever you get your podcasts under revealing Jesus with Christina Perera.
There you'll find additional resources to connect with us and our special guest, Jaime
Luce. Until next week, may grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of Jesus.
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God bless. Beloved, let me introduce you to my King. He is altogether lovely. No matter
which way you turn him, he is perfection personified. He is velvet and steel. He is meekness and
majesty. He is glory and humility. He is kindness and strength. He is altogether lovely. And
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he is my King and he can be yours as well. All day long, he holds his hand that you might
take that you might turn one step, one grass, one. Yes, one breath away from the arms of
your loving savior. Beloved, if you hear him, do not harden your heart. The Bible declares
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that not one of us has guaranteed another moment upon this earth. So pray this prayer
with me today and run into the arms of the one who loves you, who knows you best. Father,
I ask you to forgive me for all of my sin, for all of the places that I have fallen short,
God, of your glorious standard. I ask you now to send your Son into my heart, to be
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the forgiveness of my sin, to be my redemption, to be my righteousness, to be my holiness,
to be my sanctification. I ask you to forgive me, to cleanse me, to fill me with your Spirit,
your power, your glory, that I might bring glory to your name, Father. I thank you that
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I receive all of this by faith in the Son of God who loved me and who gave himself up
for me. I thank you that I am now a child of God, fully forgiven, fully righteous, fully
holy in your eyes. And I ask you to help me walk out this life in a way that pleases and
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honors you, Father. I thank you, Jesus, for all that you've done. I thank you for your
love, for your kindness, for your great joy in saving me. And I thank you, Father, and
I thank you, Holy Spirit. And I pray all of these things in your beautiful Son's name.
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Amen. If you've just prayed that prayer for the first time, I want to congratulate you.
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