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>> Will (00:00):
Music
>> Sarah (00:14):
Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with
me, as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you doing
tonight, Will?
>> Will (00:21):
Doing very well, Sarah How you doing this Tuesday, Monday evening?
Sorry, I'm, so used to us recording on Tuesday, but we are. We are
recording early this week.
>> Sarah (00:28):
Oh, my God, it is a Monday. Yeah,
it'll be our last podcast
until August. 14th.
>> Will (00:37):
Yep, it will be. It will be.
I may do. I'll probably do a Star Trek one during that time
period, but, but for us together. Yeah, we won't be together
again until the 14th.
>> Sarah (00:47):
Yeah, yeah. Wakanda,
Taka Wakanda. And then we abandon ship for a
little bit more. But,
but hey, guys, guys, we, we've been
going strong. We're. We're entering
like the second.
>> Will (01:03):
We.
>> Sarah (01:03):
We already started the second half of the year and,
this will be the first big break.
and if you were here last August, then
it'll feel very similar, so.
>> Will (01:14):
Yeah, yeah, it will be.
>> Sarah (01:16):
It will be.
>> Will (01:17):
But, yeah, but, yeah, so, yeah, look, I know
you're going to enjoy your, your little, little
vacation and catching some, your, your favorite band.
And, Yeah, and like, I said I'll probably do a little Star
Trek stuff. So for folks who, who enjoy the Star
Trek content on the, on the, on the channel, I'll be around
for a little bit, to continue Strange New
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Worlds as it, as it works its way through its third season.
>> Sarah (01:41):
Yeah. Yep. All right, so we're
gonna get down to business. we got Fantastic Four first
steps to discuss. but before we do
that, we're going to start with a Sarah Story time.
Because I saw this movie.
I went to the 4:00pm showing
on Thursday in the same
IMAX, theater
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as I did Superman.
>> Will (02:06):
Okay.
>> Sarah (02:07):
Same start time. I know. I already
checked. Different lengths. I understand there are different
lengths of movies, but.
Okay, pull out the whiteboards if you need it.
Pull out the notes from a few weeks ago when I talked about
my horrible experience seeing Superman on
imax. And I knew it going in,
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I knew it. I was looking at the times
and I was thinking, I'm, like, it's
IMAX 4 o'. Clock. It's going to be that same stupid
theater. But this was the test. I was
curious because I still have no idea what
happened. So, same start
time, same distance between
where I left work
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in the theater. That hasn't changed.
I do, I do think I left work
about five minutes later.
Than I did when I went to go see Superman.
So that can factor in people's times. Okay.
However, I did the exact same
thing. Like bought tickets, went to the
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bathroom, went in theater. I was late.
The movie had already started.
But. But no worries. I walked in
on the same clip that starts. It started every
single trailer. So I didn't really care. I already
knew sue was pregnant and gonna have a kid, so
whatever. So. And I. And
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I've already, listened to people talk about the movie. I know
I missed like, montage, so no
big deal. Wasn't that late. Don't really care.
Not important, so. But
what is important is this
movie. I got to leave. And
I did stay to the very end credit because I
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looked it up and I'm like, oh, there's two credit
mid credit scenes, There's a mid credit and then there's an end
credit. Why the would you put that out there?
Okay, that's a lie. That end credit
is. Okay, I, I ain't
sticking around for end credits anymore because they keep being
the silly soft stuff. I'm. I'm doing the mid
credit and I'm out of there. But
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regardless, when I left that
theater, it was. It was just a little after six.
Okay, so now let's rewind
time and go back to my Superman
experience. Okay. There's about a
10 to 20 minute runtime difference
between these two movies. And I did not
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say till the end of Superman credits, but this,
this tells you how long and how
many times they probably rewound that
part and we had to sit through it. Okay.
Because I did not get out of that movie until a
little after seven. So,
like, that is. That is
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how furious and frustrating
and PTSD I have from.
I was not making it up when I said
it felt like we watched it
so many times we could have memorized the entire
opening scroll. I mean, it
was. It was a lot.
>> Will (05:19):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (05:20):
Okay.
>> Will (05:21):
Well, at least, at least. Well, at least this
time you didn't have all the
technical problems that you had with.
>> Sarah (05:29):
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
>> Will (05:31):
Like, so. So small victories.
>> Sarah (05:34):
Yeah. Yeah. I, So. So there. There. It
wasn't ne. I don't know what happened,
but whatever they did, they fixed
it. Or, or
maybe the, the copy that we got
a fantastic 4 didn't have a glitch in it. I don't know who's to
blame here, but what it
was just. It's just very similar.
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And, and that's really all. I will
be comparing these two movies
because I know that's what Everyone is doing.
>> Will (06:06):
Exactly, exactly. I will, I'll say
whenever we get to the overall thoughts. I, I may or
may not. I, I, I reserve the right to compare, but
I am with you. There's been too much of that going on,
and I'm gonna try my best not to do that.
>> Sarah (06:20):
Yeah, yeah. I will definitely have
counterpoints if you do, because I, I don't,
I don't understand comparison. yeah,
otherwise neutral, Neutral field,
but whatever.
>> Will (06:32):
I mean, basically, yeah, I mean, it's just these two
films. The only thing I will say is
we are not going to have any more superhero
content for the rest of this year as far as films in the
theater. So.
>> Sarah (06:44):
Yes.
>> Will (06:45):
Yeah. So that, that, that's my Superman.
Fantastic Four comment. as far as comparing it
to. Other than the fact they were released within the span of a couple
weeks apart. But, you know, anyway, moving on,
let's get, let's get to the, let's get to the music film.
>> Sarah (07:00):
Okay. Yeah, let's talk Reed Richards.
>> Will (07:02):
Yeah. Yeah. So what did you think about Reed?
>> Sarah (07:05):
I, I thought it was fine. I thought he's fine. I,
he, I found it ironic
that the situation Reed finds himself
in is basically the situation that Joel is
in in season one of the last. It's
the same thing, but Joel and Reed are very different
people. Very different people. And, and arguably
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the circumstances are different, but,
like, I, I thought that that
was kind of hilarious. I also,
just in terms of Pedro, I'm
not Pedroed out. he, he,
he didn't, it didn't bother me that I'm watching a
Fantastic Four movie and I
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don't see Reed Richards, I see Pedro.
But because despite knowing this
man's face, and his face is prevalent
everywhere, I still think
he managed to do a
good job. and it was a different take
than I've, I've seen of this character.
albeit there's not that much to compare against.
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And I thought, I thought it was overall fine
in terms of,
him and, and,
he, he arguably had one of the
grossest scenes that I've ever seen
in a Marvel movie.
Do you know what I'm talking about.
>> Will (08:31):
If it's the one? I'm thinking of him being
almost pulled apart.
>> Sarah (08:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And by
disgusting, I also mean horrifying.
Just simply horrifying.
>> Will (08:43):
Okay, yes, that was, that was some CG
that worked very well. I mean, as far as some of the
other stretch effects, I mean, because, you know, because let's just
face it. I mean, Reed Richards and, and the stretch
abilities, I mean, these characters are
true products of their time. When you think
about the power set, you know, you have the stretchy man,
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you have a visible woman, you have, you know, flame
guy and a walking rock. So.
Yeah. But to see whenever
I, I, I was, yeah, that, that,
of the emotional moments for me in the film
where I actually did have, like, where
I could, you know, thinking back where I was like,
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oh, gosh, that was one of them. Yeah,
where I was really like that. That
was very effective. And the pain and the,
and, and the, the CG did work very,
very well. When Galactus was pulling, pulling
Reed, you know, apart like, like that. And when,
and especially like, even whenever his costume was starting to
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rip and stuff, I was like, oh, yeah, they, they, that was
a good visceral moment. That was very effective in this
film.
>> Sarah (09:52):
Yeah. And I, I, I can appreciate.
And I pointed this out when you made me, when
you forced me to watch at least one trailer, if not
two trailers, and that I,
that they, they didn't show, they showed maybe one
scene of him stretching, but they, they didn't
because like you said, it's a stupid
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power, but they,
so in this movie, they hardly ever do.
And when he does use it, it uses it.
It makes sense in terms of what is going on.
It's not a scapegoat because there is much
more emphasis on his intelligence, which
that's the way it should be. from what I understand
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about this character in the comics,
he's the most intelligent person in all of the
universe. So there they were more
focused on setting that as a
superpower and that as something
to be fostered and to grow, especially
as now he comes to terms
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with fatherhood. Now I do think
that in terms of character,
that's where it got a little bit like,
like, okay, you guys are not doing the
best job because I've seen Ben
hold that baby more than you read.
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So. And I get it, I get it. I understand
that he's, he doesn't recognize social cues
and all of that stuff. Stuff. But at the same
time, I just
wish that there was better
moments where you
could really feel and, and
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the scene where he takes, the baby
to Franklin to, like,
the look at the,
the apparatus he built to monitor
him while he was still in Sue's belly.
Yeah, I thought that was, scene was very good because of, how
it ended. Like, I kept trying to
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see who you are, and now I'm gonna
let you, let you show us
who you are. Like I'm gonna let you grow up.
And as good as writing as that is,
it still fell flat. And I feel that way
about a lot of emotional moments throughout this
movie, but where I think the writing is
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good and I'm not necessarily 100%
blaming performances, but
I don't feel like the emotional,
emotional beats hit the way
that they should have and probably
for thousands of different reasons.
>> Will (12:37):
But yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean,
I know you missed the missed the beginning of the film, but I will
say that the first act or
it took me a while to get emotionally invested
into, into this film. And I don't know if I ever fully got
fully emotionally invested into these
characters. Especially like after, after,
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like it's been. I watched it also
last Thursday.
And, and I, I, I
haven't thought much about this
movie afterwards. I mean I did an out of the
theater reaction to it and, and I, you know, at
Prisoner in a moment in the, the, the
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thing I did like about the film was
it, you know, and now
that I'm thinking about, you know, at the time I was like right
out of it, I was like, yeah, you know, the, you know
that the run time, the hour 58,
55, you know, it seemed, you know,
you know, moved out. A good clip was very, very,
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very tight in, in with the
direction and the pacing. But now
as I have some days past a
film, I think that actually was a
detriment being too
efficient with the pacing
because I think it did leave
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something to be desired because I do, I, mean while I was
watching the film, I was just like, I'm not really click, you know,
I'm, I, I like these characters, but
I don't feel for these characters. And, and, and now
post film, I, I, it really is
as we discussed it, I'm like, yeah, that it really,
that tightness really there, there was a, it was
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a detriment to me to, for me to really
feel something for, for this story.
>> Sarah (14:26):
Yeah. So you didn't get emotional when
sue sacrificed herself?
>> Will (14:31):
No, not at all.
>> Sarah (14:32):
Yeah, yeah. Did. Was it because you
instantly knew they were going to use Franklin?
>> Will (14:39):
I think that was, I mean,
yeah, I mean I did. I, you know,
so I will freely admit, as far as the
Fantastic Four, I'm not well
steeped in the lore as far as these
characters at all. I mean I'm familiar with who they are.
I remember the cartoon and but
I, you know, but I have a couple comic books,
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you know, I think from, from the
Silver Age that I got with, With the kit
when I. When I got my first comic book set. But I
mean, there, you know, but I'm not. I'm not a big
fantastic forehead, so. But
even that being said, I mean, the
way things were being set up with this story,
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right, I. I knew that
when Franklin touched her,
somehow, some way he was going to bring her back.
>> Sarah (15:29):
Okay, let's. I just want to talk about this
because, I'm usually very quick,
and I'm not saying I got emotional,
but the way they edited that
sequence, I swear she was
dead for a good two minutes. And I was just
like. I was like, wow, they
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really. They really just killed her. Wow.
Wow. It wasn't until he
actually, like, started crying to get down
and for like. Like dad, put me
down on her that I was like, oh, yeah, yeah,
Franklin's gonna bring her back. Like, it took. I
didn't instantly think because, like
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yourself, I know nothing about. Especially
Franklin. This is my introduction to him. I feel like
I learned a lot more, but. And I'm very
intrigued by this, kiddo. But
I. In that. In that moment, I at
first was just like, wow, that's. That's
really brave of them see you to kill off sue like
that. Like, no, bring her
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back.
>> Will (16:33):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (16:33):
But I also. I.
Even though that emotional beat didn't work, and it
kind of was a, A scam
of sorts of just like, well, why did we even
kn. Need that in to begin with? I
do think that overall the third act
did not stop. Suffer as male
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as as many failings as
past especially Marvel movies
have. I don't think that the action
got too,
disjointed and the. The
editing goes out the window and you don't know where people are.
I think that they. For. For having at least
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four characters at play. And then Galactus
as well as, As well as Franklin
and then eventually Silver Surfer. I think
they did a good job in terms of
really setting the scene
and making you understand where people
were in relation to one another.
>> Will (17:35):
Yeah, yeah, I'd agree. I mean,
this. One of the things that I did like about
this film, even though I think the first act,
when it didn't work as well for me. I mean,
not that I wanted to have like a complete,
We show them getting the powers and stuff. I mean, I like the montage. I
thought that that worked really well. And.
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And it set. You know,
it set the table as far as, like, here's, you
know, here's the back using it. Using the
television show, the Variety show to like,
established in this world that these characters are, are
known. They're established quantity. They
know you know that, you know, they know their power
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set. They know their skill set. You know, we're not going
in into like learning
how the Johnny you know, is not so
prickly as you know or not, you know.
>> Sarah (18:28):
Right. No, it's, it's more about
setting the stage for how these,
heroes, what they mean to the world.
And that way when they go
off, to, to defeat
Galactus and come back and say
we didn't defeat him, like,
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that's, that's where the,
the, tension comes from. The, the
conflict. because it's now
the world that once loved you is
you feels like you turned their, your
back on them. Because now
granted, it's to protect their own kid. So,
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so I, I, I agree. Like,
yes. And no, I didn't watch the, the
opening few minutes, but I,
I already knew what their power set was and we've already
seen the origin story or been told. And
you, you don't need, you don't need to
establish that for purposes of this story.
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It was more important to establish and
really understand how
beloved and how cherished
these, figures are in this, not
only in the United States, but across the world.
Because eventually it turns into the
world banning together.
Granted again though, did
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not get emotional during Sue Storm's big speech
about saying, hey, everyone, I know you want
to take my child and kill him, but this is
Franklin. He has a name. He is a living,
breathing baby and I love him.
Okay. Yeah, I just,
I didn't, I didn't feel anything. It
felt, it felt weird. And
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it, I think arguably
one of the, one of the
worst parts, like worst
pieces of dialogue in the entire movie
was that speech. It just, it
didn't feel right. she,
I, and I,
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I feel like with sue and Pedro
or with sue and, Reed,
their arguments and their tension
throughout the movie was, was good
because there wasn't a lot of dialogue.
There was a lot of, like. I know what you're thinking.
You know what I'm thinking? This and that, which
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felt like a, a
relationship that has, like they've been
together for a while. Like,
like we don't have to watch it because just
with their shorthand, we,
we already get the context clues that these two
have been through a lot together.
>> Will (21:19):
Yeah. Yeah. Completely agree. I mean, I think that
was definitely that their relationship
worked. As far as the chemistry
between, Pedro and, Vanessa
Kirby. I think it definitely, they did feel Like a real
couple. They felt like a real, real marriage. I think
she you know, she she going back.
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Sue understands Reed especially
like with, with this. With the choices
that, that they make and
whenever they have that discussion about what,
what. What to do in the
situation and, and she knows that
Reed even though he's, you know,
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he's. She knows him and she knows that where
logically he unders. You know where he's
going to go. From a logical
standpoint, Franklin has to, you
know, the decision is to get Franklin the galactus if
that's going to save the Earth. Because you know that's, you know, the theme
of families. One that is. That permeates through
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this and like you said, one of the strong things about
the first act in particular was
not only establishing that the,
the. The first family but also how the world
is with the exception of ah, one one country which
they, they make a very good point of showing.
>> Sarah (22:38):
Which one m. you can say
it will.
>> Will (22:42):
Will.
>> Sarah (22:42):
I don't know if you realize this is a spoiler discussion.
>> Will (22:45):
You can say yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. I know. I was just trying,
I was trying to hold off to the, the mid credit for a while.
But yeah, you
Latavia. but And her being a
diplomat. But to that point
going back to us where I was going with that there,
you know, the world is their extended family as well. And
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and so I think that was, that was
an emotional beat that did work for me in, in the
story.
>> Sarah (23:13):
Good. Yeah yeah, good good.
>> Will (23:15):
And also. Yeah, yeah, it did. It really did. Because.
Because that will that, that at the core
that is what this movie is about. And I think that was one.
And so, so and
I bought that and, and so to you
know, and something that we were discussed as far as talking about that
third act. That's why that third act works. So what
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works so well and it doesn't fall apart.
One, because they don't over rely on the action. But two,
they had built up this feeling of
this is a family and we are, we are you know
and setting. Setting things on 828
versus 616 definitely
makes us. It does add the
element of stakes to, to the story. Even though we
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know at the end of the day they're going to, they're going to.
They're going to solve this. This situation.
I did, I did feel like okay, I did buy into
that aspect of the story.
>> Sarah (24:11):
Right right.
now we talked about the third act,
that action and, and how good it
was. there was another Action
sequence. tied to a birth scene
which we've. Because we watch House of Dragon, we're very familiar
with burst scenes. Probably the latest verse scene
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ever.
>> Will (24:33):
Yes.
>> Sarah (24:34):
I, so, so I,
think I would have enjoyed it better
if I wasn't just thinking, thinking to myself
the entire time, I'm just like,
are we really supposed to believe? Like, are
we really. I don't know. I had a very hard
time with the birth aspect that it
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was distracting from. Probably all of the
really cool stuff going on in terms of
Johnny and Silver Surfer
riding the, the
molten ways, all of that. I mean, it
was, it was a lot. It was cool. Cool. But
simultaneously my mind was just like,
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but if, if, if the kid comes
out, like, shouldn't blood be floating?
>> Will (25:23):
I was thinking the practical things of
childbirth did. Yeah. So. Because especially when
they kick off, she kicks off the pants in the spacesuit and it
floats away. And also it's like, yeah,
this is a very anti. This is a very sanitized
birthday.
>> Sarah (25:39):
Yeah. Yeah. This is a very, like, we know a
five year old is gonna be in the audience and
I'm just like, okay, just, just gotta get through
it. Just gotta get through it.
>> Will (25:49):
yep, yep.
>> Sarah (25:50):
Yeah. It's so funny.
Like a part of me in,
like, I know that it was very good action
sequence, but the logical part is kind
of like, I don't, I don't know if this was
entirely necessary. especially
because we never circled back around to the fact
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of how pregnant was she before getting
on that ship. And is anybody
ever gonna go back to Galactus and be like, why did you speed
up the birth process? Yeah,
but, yeah, yeah.
>> Will (26:25):
I mean, whenever she was like, whenever they were Galactus and
her water breaks in that, in that scene, I was.
>> Sarah (26:30):
Just like, okay, her
water broke after Galactus, like
quote unquote touched her. Yeah, like
he did something. I don't think she was
nine months pregnant at that.
>> Will (26:44):
I don't think so either. I did, I didn't take it that way either. I, was like,
whoa, this is a pre, this is a premature situation here.
Whenever I, I was.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (26:52):
The most realistic aspect of that
entire thing was when she yelled at Johnny
to go kill Silver Surfer. I think that was
the most realistic point of that sequence.
Okay, you are giving birth because you just
sent him to kill someone. And yes,
everyone should have noted how excited he
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was to hear the word kill. that was a
bit, that was a bit much.
>> Will (27:19):
Yeah, Yeah. I will say though, that
whole sequence, that was so as I mentioned, there were A couple
points where I did like, lean forward in my seat and,
And. And the whole Galactus, the whole
introduction of whenever we do
go to his world and stuff. That, that, that's what
I really. I think that was the point in the film where I
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was like, I, I got engaged because I was
like. I said the first act, I was smooth. But
whenever they, when they went on the mission and,
and we see the Scott. The size
and Scott scale and scope of Galactus,
that was like. Okay, I'm,
That. That was the moment for me where I was just like,
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okay, I, I like this film.
I'm on board now. because, you know,
not only the voice work of, Ralph Ensign, Innocent,
who, you know, for. For it,
but, But just everything around it and then the whole course,
the whole sequence where, When. When they are on
the event horizon with Black Hole, just. And.
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And just a proper like very
Star Trek. Very Star Trek. And the
warp. It was very Star Trek. It totally was.
And even the, the weapons, like, you know, bending
around, how they should have warped. I mean, everything about it just
really just I, that. That was a scene
that I really did appreciate.
>> Sarah (28:41):
Yeah, Yeah, I, I think I even thought
about that while watching it where I was like,
will has to be digging this part because I get Star
Trek vibes from here. And
I think that with
Galactus,
I think that,
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in. In other things like Eternals,
we've seen these, These villains that
are like
three or four skyscrapers tall,
larger than the world, and all of this.
This daunting to bring them into live
action has never felt as
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menacing and as.
No, no, no. There's.
There's. There's more to this.
Like, Like, I, I like the part where
he, he admits I was a humanoid once
and then this happened. That there, there's.
I, I can appre. I think that for the
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first time with one of these kind
of characters, these very godlike
beings that are literally
larger than life, they finally
made it work because of the use
of. Arguably, I would argue the use
of Shalabal, Silver Surfer,
because we spent so much time with her
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that that allowed him to be.
But it was very straightforward. It wasn't like, oh, we
wait till the third act to get revealed.
Like, it wasn't that the big boss, yes,
came at the end, but we also got a little
sneak peek because the
Fantastic Four for the first time needed to lose
or come, to stalemate because
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it was more of a decision about their child.
and which plays into all of their fears
that they even had before Galactus
even came or Shallow Ball even
came. So I think. I think that
that is another strength of this movie and
looking back on it, years down the line,
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is that the. The villain works.
It's not the best. We've seen better.
But for purposes of this
story, the villain
works. and it is
not too distracting and
is also like. Like I said at the
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beginning, gave us. And the only reason
why I find him terrifying is because of the way
he stretched Reed
up until then. Did not really. And then
the moment he stretched, I'm like, okay, you're legit.
Get it. Got it. Good.
>> Will (31:31):
Yeah. Yep.
>> Sarah (31:32):
And I like the. The whole.
He did feel like he was. He was one
step ahead because they come up with a
plan to teleport the world
millions of light years away. Right. To
move the Earth. And then. And
they do the. They do the trap
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and they. They remove the
Franklin and replace it with a fake. And
yet. And right. As usual,
right. What? It's only one step more
he figures it out and goes after the real
Franklin. So I can
appreciate how
he, The threat they
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managed to show, then
hide and. And then have him
like really be the Big Bad at the
end. and they did it in a way
where you didn't get too,
bored or.
>> Will (32:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
agree. Yeah. I mean, I. Yeah, I think that was.
That was the thing that did work for me
as well as far as that with. With the.
With the fight scene as well. That he. He did figure
it out. He, you know, he. Because I mean, if I recall
Galactus actually, I don't know if
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you mentioned this in the movie or. I know it just
from. Just other. Other works, but,
he. He predates this
universe.
>> Sarah (33:00):
Yeah, they m. Said that in the movie.
>> Will (33:03):
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. so,
you know, so. So it makes sense that
even though Reed currently is like the. The
most brilliant being in the universe right now,
it would take someone who has that extra level
to be able to beat the smartest man in the
world.
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And. And so that was. That's also what makes
it work. And also for me, like as
gave the film some stakes that sometimes
are. That are missing and, and make Galactus in
addition to the stretch that we talked about, but
also just made him very, very threatening as well.
That. Oh yeah, you know. Yeah. He.
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He saw through Reed's 3.3's plan in his
trap.
>> Sarah (33:49):
Yeah. But. But I. And I
don't think it was Reed who beat
Galactus. It's Johnny who beat Galactus
because the. And that, that's
another thing that took me by surprise. I
thought I was gonna hate Johnny just because of
the haircut. Joseph Quinn is a
fabulous actor. Loves him in Stranger
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Things. That haircut, my God. I
will say though, while watching the movie, the
lighting worked. It was perfectly fine. I got
more offended by it during the previews than I did
while watching the film. Mainly because
Johnny had, stuff to do
and more so than I've seen in
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any other movie. Because
yes, he, it's. I love that line.
Oh, you guys think. Because Johnny loves space and
Johnny loves hot girls or naked girls.
Like I have a crush.
one plus one equals two. So.
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And there was that. But at the same time,
while Reed is doing his thing and
other things, I appreciate how
they, and they even started this way before
Shalabal even appeared. With the
messages and the intrigue behind it
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and the subtleness that
Johnny is clearly still trying to
prove to his brother in law his value.
>> Will (35:23):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (35:24):
And, and, and it's more
so to even read than sue because
throughout it sue checks in on him
and he shows her and you can see that
relationship. but I like that
there wasn't tension between the siblings.
There was subtle tension between
him and Reid, but not because like, oh,
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you're married to my sister. It's more
as though I appreciate you
because of your brilliance. I just need
you to to see what I can do
and to make HM me feel value.
And I, I really like that.
and I, and I, and I loved
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like one of my favorite scenes. And I,
and I thought this as soon as I saw it is
the herald of
when Shalabal first appears on Earth.
Right. And, and
yeah, we've seen that scene in the trailers.
but that's not the part that like struck me. The part
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was when Johnny goes and chases after her
and then he goes out and then reaches.
Grabs this surfboard and,
and she says that to him, to
die with yours in her language.
And I, that was just.
Wow. I don't know. The,
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the. I got
goosebumps. And it's a
very similar sequence. And I don't know if you're
gonna know where I'm going with this. I don't know if you will
but think about into
the spider verse, the
jumping sequence. Yes, yes,
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yes, yes. That
those two, for some reason, the way they
present it, it's a very
like, wow. Like
feels straight from a comic book.
>> Will (37:25):
Yep. The words right of my mouth. Yep.
>> Sarah (37:27):
Yeah. Yeah, it's just so. And then the.
And. And I think that this is
why I was on Johnny's side when he was trying to
convince the others, because she did Julie
Garner for. For all the CGI
makeup she had, she broke through that
makeup. I was worried about that. Like, I was like,
Julia. Julia Gardner is great.
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And, they don't give her a lot. I argue.
I would argue they probably could have given her more. But
whatever the. The. What
they do, and especially in that moment,
that moment is why I can believe at
the end she. She turns.
Because, you know, right from there, like,
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she. There's something else going on with her.
Like, she's not as big much of a
servant as that she want, would want you to believe.
>> Will (38:21):
Yeah, yeah, I. Yeah, I. I completely agree.
And. And. And I think that's, you know, a lot of folks,
some of the workers howling
and all the interwebs about the gender swap
and stuff. But to that point, I mean, I think
they did it to set up several
things, one of which you. Which you just. What you just
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shared. I mean, I think that that was part of why they had
to, you know, make that change in order for this
character to work in the context of this film.
>> Sarah (38:50):
So is it a gender swap?
Because from what I understand, SH.
Ball is a legit character from a run of
comics, so. No.
Like, yes. Silver Surfer. The.
The one. The main M. Silver Neil
Gam or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He. He. We know, but she's his
wife. And in a version of events,
she becomes a Silver.
>> Will (39:20):
Yeah, yeah. It's. Yeah, I'm just. Yeah, it's just. It's just.
>> Sarah (39:23):
I know, I know. I just. I just want to bring
that up because if people are listening
and don't know about that, I found that when
I learned about that, I was just like, well, that goes.
Who cares about gender swap? Ah, that's not a gender swap in my
book. That's. I, we're using this version of
Events. And did you hear about this? This is what I
found so interesting about that run of
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comics when she was Silver Surfer.
Do you know who was? Galactus.
>> Will (39:53):
No, who was it?
>> Sarah (39:54):
Franklin. Ah,
so. So a lot of the really
big nerds and,
lovers of Fantastic Four,
like, they. They got a lot
out of the fact that this movie,
like Franklin appears and.
>> Will (40:14):
Right.
>> Sarah (40:14):
Silver Surfer, you're not getting Neil.
You're getting Shala Ball. So, yeah,
yeah. So it. I. I found that to be
very interesting because, yeah, I may
not get all of these references,
but when they work for the real
Die Hards. The Die Hards will tell me
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what to. What I need to understand.
And it just proves to me that
despite everything that's happened in the last few
years with mcu, they still
got people pulling stuff out.
They. They don't care. They're just
like, ah, well, we're gonna bury this, and
(40:56):
it's gonna. 90% of the audience
won't understand. But, you know, when the people who. The
10% who do know, they will
tell the masses, and then the masses will start to
appreciate.
>> Will (41:09):
Yep, yep, yep. I, I, I, I do appreciate
that. I do. yeah, because like I said, I, I.
This is the. As I said earlier, this is one
space where I don't have very deep knowledge
at all. So I am. I am learning as I go.
>> Sarah (41:24):
Yeah, definitely. And I don't. I don't want
to. I want to find out as.
I want to find these little
intricacies as Feige brings
them in. and
my. Okay, this brings me to
arguably my. My
(41:44):
low point of this discussion,
because I. I love
Yvonne Moss Bakarak. Okay,
probably just butchered his name, but whatever, cousin.
We know him. we love him.
>> Will (41:56):
We love him. Yep.
>> Sarah (41:59):
And I, I did. I liked his performance.
However,
they did not utilize this guy at
all. Okay. Ben
hardly had an arc. And,
and granted, the whole. I don't like the way
I look, I. We. We've seen it a few different
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times. It didn't seem like they were going to do anything else
with it, but I feel.
I feel just like he was
underserved as a character. Granted, when
he, he did have really good chemistry
whenever he was interacting with Johnny,
because it wasn't that, like, oh,
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you're ugly. Like, like, it wasn't them
butting heads. It did feel like brothers.
They did feel like, oh, these guys,
they pick on each other. But at the same
time, when mole man comes in and
starts packing, picking on Johnny,
you hear. You hear Ben say, no, no, no,
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you're handsome.
He's like, I. Who can pick on Johnny for the way he
looks? Okay.
>> Will (43:11):
Yep, Yep. Yeah, but, yeah, I agree.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think, you know, because they,
you know, I, I agree that, you know, that there were.
I mean, like, at the beginning of the story, he.
He was the one whenever sue
came out with sue and recame down the stairs
and, you know, he was
(43:31):
perceptive enough to realize that she was pregnant and all
that. So he had, you know, so there were a little. There were
nuggets of moments but, but overall,
I agree. He, he did seem underserved. And of course the
biggest one was the
with his flirting, the
flirt, the back and forth with, Natasha Leon's character,
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Rachel, that, that, that was just
so under baked. And I'm just like at that at
this point, this is where, you know, going back to what I was saying earlier
about like it was. There was. It was edited
to the point where this is where it sacrificed
this. That was one story beat that. Where it did
sack that. That the tightness sacrificed good
story and good character development for the. For. For Ben.
>> Sarah (44:15):
See, and the thing is, we'll never know
because I, I do agree. I agree
that this was clearly edited
there. They. They did not hold back
with that knife. And because of that,
we will never know if they made the right decision
or the wrong decision because sometimes when
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they do leave stuff in, we're like, well, he could have trimmed
that.
>> Will (44:42):
Yeah. For example, I know there was, they said they had.
John Malovich was supposed to be in the Red. The Red Ghost,
I believe was supposed to be a part of this story. But in the context
of the, of the film,
that made sense to me that why they trimmed that
out. But it could have some more stuff here with Ben. I
mean they really.
>> Sarah (44:59):
Oh yeah. He could have had
a better arc. Like, we just got
done talking about Johnny and the utilization of
Johnny. They didn't utilize Ben to the full
extent. And that's why for me,
as much as I, I love this
actor and the CGI did not bother me
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at all with Ben. and
you know what? I'll just say it now. This is going to
be a first because I already heard it in
the way will phrase some things earlier.
the. None of the CGI bothered me throughout this
movie, and that includes little baby.
It did not bother me at all.
>> Will (45:42):
Wow. Mark this moment, y'. All. We're at the 45
minute sec mark of our. Of our review
here, and I think this is a cena nerd first. While we've been doing
this together now since 2017 with, with me
and Sarah where I heard her that the CGI did not bother
her.
>> Sarah (45:58):
Yeah. Yeah. And did it bother
you or did it not bother you?
>> Will (46:03):
It did not. Actually. It worked for me. The, the, the aesthetic
for this film. Really. I, I really
enjoyed it. I, I did. I mean it's, it's really,
you know, even from, you know, from the, from the. Get with the Marvel
Studios. I don't
know. So did you watch it on imax?
>> Sarah (46:19):
Or Well, I
told a very important story and that
was.
>> Will (46:26):
Yes, you did. You did.
>> Sarah (46:28):
Key details. Are you kidding?
>> Will (46:29):
You did. I know, I know. Just the case post
dropped. Yeah, I, I had, I had a, I had a senior moment
there.
Yeah. but, but no but, but whenever they had the
countdown and they like went into the,
into the, the beginning of the film,
the whole, the whole aesthetic really just like
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I was like, I, I, I really like this retro,
you know, we're in, in the 60s, but you know, that time,
even though it's a modern story, but we're still
kept the 60 aesthetic. And
61 I think is when the story starts and, and
that at least with this backstory and we're in 64,
64, 65. When, when the story
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happens. And I just really, really, really
liked it. it was just the,
the get the.
>> Sarah (47:18):
Yeah, because, because it's the same, it's the
same aesthetic that they used in Loki.
>> Will (47:24):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (47:26):
Art person, and designer and everything.
>> Will (47:29):
And we, and also.
>> Sarah (47:30):
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
>> Will (47:31):
Loki. And also, the, you know, of course
Matt Shackman who directed WandaVision too, was that same
sitcom. you know, he did, he, he's very comfortable
and of course with shooting
those types of scenes and the color gradient and all that kind of stuff
because like you said, they use the same, same
production folks and same behind the scenes folks with it
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and it shows.
>> Sarah (47:54):
Yeah, yeah, it, I, I, I think
in terms of production and I knew
this even going in. I think
overall I wasn't expecting a lot out of this movie.
Okay. Yeah, it really wasn't. And I, and I,
I think that's why I enjoyed it.
Is it my favorite? No. Am I,
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am I like, oh my God, I want to talk about A,
B, C and D. No. Have I
like you brought up before? Have I thought much about this movie
since watching it? No, but I do
know while watching it I was
like, okay, let's go CGI
baby
(48:36):
man, whatever.
Yeah, I was there. I was on board. And you
know, I had some questioning moments, especially during
the birth scene, but whatever, we move on from it.
And, and overall, I mean
it's, it's a summer
blockbuster comic book genre movie,
so I have no, I'm not mad at this movie
(48:58):
whatsoever. And I think that
aesthetically, like my big expectation
was mainly that about the
directing and the art design and
how the, the cinematography. Just
because I, that that was one of
the big strengths of Loki. And as you
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brought up WandaVision, and,
and so, so maybe that's why it
also felt
so familiar yet new.
Yeah, because you do you. You have seen
this style before in
this, in this world,
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if you will. And, and
yet we're. We're getting some
quasi new characters and a story
and something you put on the rundown is, is
this the story start of a soft reboot
in of the MCU and in phase
six? And
I mean, sure, but why does
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it matter? Like, Like, I. I think
everyone's, I just want to move on from phases. Okay.
This is a movie. Clearly it's leading
into Doomsday. Based on the mid credit scene
and everything. Like we. We
knew at the moment you announced doomsday.
And you know, there's a Fantastic Four movie coming.
(50:24):
You, like, they're gonna be the principals.
One plus one equals two people.
>> Will (50:30):
Yep, yep. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. And speaking of the doomsday,
and also the Doctor Doom reveal,
how did your. How did your theater react? I'm just curious.
>> Sarah (50:43):
Oh, well, haven't you learned anything? I live in
Alaska. There was probably 10
other people in my theater.
>> Will (50:51):
All right, so.
>> Sarah (50:53):
So I don't get. I don't get lower
48 reactions to any
movies. Okay. So do not. Let's
not come.
>> Will (51:01):
Okay. I just. Yeah, I. I mean, I know there was like, only.
I know There were like 10 of you in there. I just didn't know if like, you know, two people,
like, what? Holy. You know.
Yeah, yeah. Cause. Yeah, so in Durham, yeah, I
mean, it was, you know, so I. I will
say the crowd that I. That the
theater when I saw Thursday night were, you know,
(51:23):
were definitely the hardcore folks. but even.
But even at that there were enough
casual Marvel fans in the crowd
that when that Mid M credit happened, there was like
audible, I mean, audible reactions in my
theater where people were like, some people, some people,
people lost their minds. Something. And
(51:44):
so you know what?
>> Sarah (51:45):
I love hearing that because
I couldn't help but just think,
we know it's rdj. Why not show
his face like, you coward.
For me, it was like, oh, you didn't actually want to
write him a check? Got it. Okay.
>> Will (52:06):
Apparently, apparently he, you know, I, did see
one. Two things. One, but you know, clearly the Russos did that
scene because Shackman said it. And
two, Vanessa Kirby, she did share that,
actually, that was rdj because she's like, he's.
He's. He's an omnipresent on the set.
And so. Yeah, so I.
>> Sarah (52:27):
That makes me a little bit more mad, but
okay, that, that's fine. I.
I think the Discourse from the
hardcore nerds who
love Fantastic Four about
the fact that Franklin,
is touchy in the face.
(52:47):
I've. I feel like I got a crash course
after watching this movie and that tells me
that this is a better movie
than even I understand.
because when the people that this
movie is truly made for, which are the die
hard fans of this se.
(53:08):
This comic book run,
when they can talk hours and do
a Cliff Notes version of the fact that
it's interesting how Franklin,
who, will. And, and I'm
just going to say this now if you don't want potential future
(53:28):
spoilers. I love you, thank you for
listening. Please leave.
I respect you enough to say that right now.
>> Will (53:38):
So I clicked on, I put on the spoiler alert. Just.
>> Sarah (53:41):
So here's what I understand could potentially
be happening. Franklin at one
point in the run, takes on a
Persona called Molecular man, okay.
Who plays a pivotal role
in in Secret Wars.
(54:02):
So that is, that is one theory going
on about how, how
that could be the trajectory and why
Franklin is specifically introduced in, in
this this movie,
when we have that in the future as well as
Doomsday. The other
very, nuanced discourse that is happening
(54:25):
about this mid credit credit scene is the fact
that it's Franklin and Doom and
not. And I'm going to butcher her name,
but she is named the other
re. Richard's child,
Lavatia. Like it's a, it's a, it's
a word play on where Doom is
(54:45):
from. Okay, okay. Like
Latvia or something.
>> Will (54:51):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (54:52):
Oh, go ahead.
>> Will (54:53):
No, go, no, go ahead. I think I was trying to remember the name.
Yeah, sorry.
>> Sarah (54:56):
Yeah. So from what I understand,
she's named after Doom
because Reed is off doing something
else. Sue is about to give
like needs protection or something and Doom
says I will protect your
family because they have a weird relationship or whatever.
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And, and through this action,
he becomes the godfather of their
daughter. And she has a very,
like, they're very tight and close.
so, so, so that's the other thing is
like, okay, so, so are you going to
introduce this other like the daughter?
(55:38):
And I mean by the end of this
movie we're seeing four years into the future.
So are we gonna get the daughter or Only.
Only getting Franklin because Molecular man
is also like one version this
kid from. And
here's another spoiler. And I'm sorry for
all you fans of Bob, but
(56:00):
apparently Franklin kills
the Void at one point and Bob,
that is how powerful he is.
>> Will (56:11):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (56:11):
In the books, like this is A, there's a.
Definitely a good reason why Galactus
wanted him. And to say that he is
cosmically blessed is probably the
understatement, from what I understand.
so I, And, And I,
I also had this, Sorry, I'm talking a lot, but
I had this running through my head while watching the movie.
(56:34):
And I don't know if you did, too, because it's called
Fantastic Four, but it's also very. It's called
First Steps.
>> Will (56:41):
Yep.
>> Sarah (56:43):
The movie's all about, technically, all about
Franklin.
>> Will (56:47):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (56:48):
So why couldn't, at the end, we see him take his
first step? Because this is really what's
happening. Like, you just gave birth
to what will become, like,
the biggest threat and
hero simultaneously in the entire
universe, and. My God.
(57:10):
but. So I, I, I
don't know, though. I, I, I think it's.
I think it's clever
that we've
always heard these characters described as
Marvel's first family. So the real
introduction to the MCU is them
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legitimately
reproducing.
>> Will (57:36):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (57:37):
Yeah. To prove to you this is
Marvel's first family, and they, they
reproduced. And now, now we're kind of
terrified, because if Franklin has a bad day,
he doesn't know how to use his powers. Okay.
So, so he, he may have. He may have brought
sue back, but I don't know, if she takes away his
blanket, what will happen? Okay.
>> Will (58:02):
Oh, boy. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (58:04):
That's all I know.
>> Will (58:06):
Yeah. No, no, I mean, I, you know,
of course, you know, I know you brought up Bob, and,
and that. That was. That was
one thing too, that, I was, I was
really curious about how and, and,
and shame on me for just, like. But I
think it's just, you know, after so many. So many
(58:26):
TV shows and movies, I'm just always expecting, like,
them to tie it back into something. But I really did
appreciate how this truly was, from start
to finish, a standalone story, because I was so.
I was like, okay, now how are they gonna weave in the.
The, end credit from.
From Thunderbolts?
>> Sarah (58:45):
Oh, yeah.
>> Will (58:46):
I never did. And I never did.
>> Sarah (58:48):
Which is great.
>> Will (58:49):
I really appreciated that. Yep.
>> Sarah (58:51):
Yeah. Because. Because we don't need the end
credits to necessarily weave together. I mean, we're getting
pieces of the puzzle at this point. And, And
I will say,
up until this conversation,
where. Where I truly understand how much I did
enjoy Fantastic Four. And probably,
(59:12):
probably even after this, I will say,
between the two Thunderbolts and
Fantastic Four, I.
And this is only because of a very specific
scene in Thunderbolts. I. I
do find that I lean more
thunderbolts just because
(59:34):
David Harbor. Okay,
I. To this day. And, and
this is also because I have a very embarrassing dad
myself. So to this day,
I vividly in my mind will
just think about him
running into the desert and yelling at.
(59:54):
At Yelena, she,
wants to kill you.
We have to. And just the
embarrassment, just the utter, like,
don't look at it. It'll go away. Don't make eye
contact. I don't know him. Do not.
No, I just. There's that,
(01:00:15):
that moment. Like,
I, I'm. I'm sorry.
you can clearly hear in the way I'm talking about
Fantastic Four. I had a great time.
It was fine. I'm definitely not mad. I definitely
has more strengths than it does weaknesses.
But what. But
(01:00:36):
Thunderbolts made me laugh out loud a whole
bunch. And I still think about some of those jokes.
first steps. I didn't really laugh at all.
albeit I did get goosebumps a few times, which
I mentioned before.
>> Will (01:00:49):
But, yeah, so, yeah, I,
I did laugh out loud a few
in both films. and, but like, and like I said Prisoner of
the Moment whenever I first watched
it, and even now I, I like
this was a fun movie. I mean, as far as,
as far as the vibes I got, you know, it's.
(01:01:10):
I have, you know, it's one of those, one of those Marvel
properties that
I'll probably, you know, that I can see myself re watching
because I haven't really had the desire to re. Watch a lot of
these films recently. and, and. But this
is one where I'm like, you know what? I do want to go back and especially after,
now that we've talked about it, because that, that
(01:01:30):
I definitely want to go back and, and watch it again
in the theater. and then, and then, and then
even when it comes out on streaming because there's.
There's a lot there. And, and, and, and just our
conversation tonight made me realize, like, yeah, I caught a lot of
things, but there's. There's even more things that I think a
rewatch will. Will help
(01:01:51):
close some of the. The knowledge gaps that I have
so that as we move into the next round
of, you know, m. Next round of films and, and
shows, even though this is. Even though this is a
standalone and they, they.
They may or may not. They may or may not have anything to do with the, the
larger, you know, doomsday saga,
(01:02:11):
there's some foundational things here that, that are
important Yeah.
>> Sarah (01:02:16):
I think that the best comparison I've heard
since watching it, is that
this feels like a Phase one
Marvel movie.
>> Will (01:02:26):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (01:02:27):
Because if you, like, take your
love of Iron man aside,
but if you really think about First Avenger,
Thor 1, those kind of
movies.
>> Will (01:02:40):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (01:02:40):
And like,
a lot of people I don't think appreciated them as much
at the time as they did
later on when, when larger things
were coming to light like I
and I. And that really struck me
because it's so true that I think
(01:03:02):
that five
movies down the line, or when we get
Fantastic Four to
however long into the future, I
think then there'll be nostalgia for
this movie and more appreciation for some of the
subtleness that it did.
(01:03:22):
but it. For right now, in terms, it's just
like, okay, we're at the beginning again.
We've been through this.
>> Will (01:03:34):
Yeah. I think, Yeah. I think that, you know,
you shared earlier about the, The note
that I have put on the rundown about is this a soft reboot? And
as you're saying, the, you know, going back to those.
The first phase, I, think
subconsciously that's where. Where. Why I put that note there
because you're right. I mean, I think that. That this film
(01:03:54):
is. Does. Does. Is going to play that role.
and we'll see. Like. Oh, yeah. Okay. This,
this is why this, this. This is why this, this film is.
Was important.
>> Sarah (01:04:05):
Yeah. In the grand
scheme,
past my bedtime. It's probably like almost
your bedtime because. Yeah, I'm like an
old woman at heart. But, any.
Any small bits of Comic Con or do you want to talk about
that the next. Oh, yeah, we're not
meeting for like a month.
>> Will (01:04:27):
Yeah, let's. Let's. I mean, this really, really fast
because, over the weekend I did do a,
Did, you know, a couple live streams for some of the stuff
from Comic Con. But of course, one of the,
you know, I don't know if you watched the Gen V, trailer.
I did. I didn't watch this until right
before recording. so of course they did drop, a
(01:04:49):
new poster for Gen V. And and they do
have the full trailer for. For the upcoming season, so.
Looks really good. We do. You know, there were a couple,
crossovers, in that, we'll see
from the. From the Boys into the show,
Starlight. and, Black Door. but, but yeah, you
know, it looks like they're really gonna be. Marie's really going to be the big focus this
(01:05:09):
Upcoming season, another show I was planning to do
A Paradise, watch along
but it cross overlap with the
Star Trek panel and I didn't see much on Social,
at least real time during
during the panel. But Dan Fogelman and
Sterling K. Brown did have their season two
(01:05:29):
panel at. At Comic Con. Also, Shelley Woodley.
Woodley, she also is going to be joining the cast. And
she, they, they did show some footage from the first
episode and we learned about her character and she's, she's,
she, she's in Graceland when all. When the world ends.
so that's little things from Paradise. of course we got
Peacemaker, the Peacemaker trailer. we.
(01:05:51):
I joined Adam from A plus Opinions
joined me and our lab review for that. If you want to
check it out here on our channel or you know, please, please
feel free to do so. And then last, just to
hit the start some Star Trek news again, we
did get a teaser for Strange New World Season 4. There's
going to be a Muppet episode. Jim Henson Company is
(01:06:11):
going to be helping to produce that little cute little
trailer that they dropped during Comic Con. there's
also a Con audio drama
that you know, one of the pivotal characters in the Star Trek
universe of Khan, Nuni and Singh. there's going to be an
audio drama I guess chronicling the time that
he had on seti, Alpha 5
(01:06:32):
and prior to the events of Star Trek to the Wrathicon.
And then of course there was a trailer for Starfleet Academy.
the new set is going to be coming up
next year. And then last we did.
There was a small Star wars panel, and we did
get some. We got our first look at Ezra Bridger,
who and for Ahsoka Season 2. So
(01:06:53):
those are just some real quick hits from, from Comic Con.
>> Sarah (01:06:58):
All right, awesome. Ah, please go and check out all
of that fun, because Will was gracious
enough to give up his Saturday to do all of that
and spend time with you all. So on that
note, Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find
you.
>> Will (01:07:14):
Yes, you can find me on all the socials at Will
and Polk W I L L M P O.
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>> Sarah (00:14):
Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with
me, as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you doing
tonight, Will?
>> Will (00:21):
Doing very well, Sarah How you doing this Tuesday, Monday evening?
Sorry, I'm, so used to us recording on Tuesday, but we are. We are
recording early this week.
>> Sarah (00:28):
Oh, my God, it is a Monday. Yeah,
it'll be our last podcast
until August. 14th.
>> Will (00:37):
Yep, it will be. It will be.
I may do. I'll probably do a Star Trek one during that time
period, but, but for us together. Yeah, we won't be together
again until the 14th.
>> Sarah (00:47):
Yeah, yeah. Wakanda,
Taka Wakanda. And then we abandon ship for a
little bit more. But,
but hey, guys, guys, we, we've been
going strong. We're. We're entering
like the second.
>> Will (01:03):
We.
>> Sarah (01:03):
We already started the second half of the year and,
this will be the first big break.
and if you were here last August, then
it'll feel very similar, so.
>> Will (01:14):
Yeah, yeah, it will be.
>> Sarah (01:16):
It will be.
>> Will (01:17):
But, yeah, but, yeah, so, yeah, look, I know
you're going to enjoy your, your little, little
vacation and catching some, your, your favorite band.
And, Yeah, and like, I said I'll probably do a little Star
Trek stuff. So for folks who, who enjoy the Star
Trek content on the, on the, on the channel, I'll be around
for a little bit, to continue Strange New
(01:37):
Worlds as it, as it works its way through its third season.
>> Sarah (01:41):
Yeah. Yep. All right, so we're
gonna get down to business. we got Fantastic Four first
steps to discuss. but before we do
that, we're going to start with a Sarah Story time.
Because I saw this movie.
I went to the 4:00pm showing
on Thursday in the same
IMAX, theater
(02:04):
as I did Superman.
>> Will (02:06):
Okay.
>> Sarah (02:07):
Same start time. I know. I already
checked. Different lengths. I understand there are different
lengths of movies, but.
Okay, pull out the whiteboards if you need it.
Pull out the notes from a few weeks ago when I talked about
my horrible experience seeing Superman on
imax. And I knew it going in,
(02:27):
I knew it. I was looking at the times
and I was thinking, I'm, like, it's
IMAX 4 o'. Clock. It's going to be that same stupid
theater. But this was the test. I was
curious because I still have no idea what
happened. So, same start
time, same distance between
where I left work
(02:50):
in the theater. That hasn't changed.
I do, I do think I left work
about five minutes later.
Than I did when I went to go see Superman.
So that can factor in people's times. Okay.
However, I did the exact same
thing. Like bought tickets, went to the
(03:10):
bathroom, went in theater. I was late.
The movie had already started.
But. But no worries. I walked in
on the same clip that starts. It started every
single trailer. So I didn't really care. I already
knew sue was pregnant and gonna have a kid, so
whatever. So. And I. And
(03:32):
I've already, listened to people talk about the movie. I know
I missed like, montage, so no
big deal. Wasn't that late. Don't really care.
Not important, so. But
what is important is this
movie. I got to leave. And
I did stay to the very end credit because I
(03:53):
looked it up and I'm like, oh, there's two credit
mid credit scenes, There's a mid credit and then there's an end
credit. Why the would you put that out there?
Okay, that's a lie. That end credit
is. Okay, I, I ain't
sticking around for end credits anymore because they keep being
the silly soft stuff. I'm. I'm doing the mid
credit and I'm out of there. But
(04:15):
regardless, when I left that
theater, it was. It was just a little after six.
Okay, so now let's rewind
time and go back to my Superman
experience. Okay. There's about a
10 to 20 minute runtime difference
between these two movies. And I did not
(04:36):
say till the end of Superman credits, but this,
this tells you how long and how
many times they probably rewound that
part and we had to sit through it. Okay.
Because I did not get out of that movie until a
little after seven. So,
like, that is. That is
(04:57):
how furious and frustrating
and PTSD I have from.
I was not making it up when I said
it felt like we watched it
so many times we could have memorized the entire
opening scroll. I mean, it
was. It was a lot.
>> Will (05:19):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (05:20):
Okay.
>> Will (05:21):
Well, at least, at least. Well, at least this
time you didn't have all the
technical problems that you had with.
>> Sarah (05:29):
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
>> Will (05:31):
Like, so. So small victories.
>> Sarah (05:34):
Yeah. Yeah. I, So. So there. There. It
wasn't ne. I don't know what happened,
but whatever they did, they fixed
it. Or, or
maybe the, the copy that we got
a fantastic 4 didn't have a glitch in it. I don't know who's to
blame here, but what it
was just. It's just very similar.
(05:57):
And, and that's really all. I will
be comparing these two movies
because I know that's what Everyone is doing.
>> Will (06:06):
Exactly, exactly. I will, I'll say
whenever we get to the overall thoughts. I, I may or
may not. I, I, I reserve the right to compare, but
I am with you. There's been too much of that going on,
and I'm gonna try my best not to do that.
>> Sarah (06:20):
Yeah, yeah. I will definitely have
counterpoints if you do, because I, I don't,
I don't understand comparison. yeah,
otherwise neutral, Neutral field,
but whatever.
>> Will (06:32):
I mean, basically, yeah, I mean, it's just these two
films. The only thing I will say is
we are not going to have any more superhero
content for the rest of this year as far as films in the
theater. So.
>> Sarah (06:44):
Yes.
>> Will (06:45):
Yeah. So that, that, that's my Superman.
Fantastic Four comment. as far as comparing it
to. Other than the fact they were released within the span of a couple
weeks apart. But, you know, anyway, moving on,
let's get, let's get to the, let's get to the music film.
>> Sarah (07:00):
Okay. Yeah, let's talk Reed Richards.
>> Will (07:02):
Yeah. Yeah. So what did you think about Reed?
>> Sarah (07:05):
I, I thought it was fine. I thought he's fine. I,
he, I found it ironic
that the situation Reed finds himself
in is basically the situation that Joel is
in in season one of the last. It's
the same thing, but Joel and Reed are very different
people. Very different people. And, and arguably
(07:26):
the circumstances are different, but,
like, I, I thought that that
was kind of hilarious. I also,
just in terms of Pedro, I'm
not Pedroed out. he, he,
he didn't, it didn't bother me that I'm watching a
Fantastic Four movie and I
(07:46):
don't see Reed Richards, I see Pedro.
But because despite knowing this
man's face, and his face is prevalent
everywhere, I still think
he managed to do a
good job. and it was a different take
than I've, I've seen of this character.
albeit there's not that much to compare against.
(08:10):
And I thought, I thought it was overall fine
in terms of,
him and, and,
he, he arguably had one of the
grossest scenes that I've ever seen
in a Marvel movie.
Do you know what I'm talking about.
>> Will (08:31):
If it's the one? I'm thinking of him being
almost pulled apart.
>> Sarah (08:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And by
disgusting, I also mean horrifying.
Just simply horrifying.
>> Will (08:43):
Okay, yes, that was, that was some CG
that worked very well. I mean, as far as some of the
other stretch effects, I mean, because, you know, because let's just
face it. I mean, Reed Richards and, and the stretch
abilities, I mean, these characters are
true products of their time. When you think
about the power set, you know, you have the stretchy man,
(09:04):
you have a visible woman, you have, you know, flame
guy and a walking rock. So.
Yeah. But to see whenever
I, I, I was, yeah, that, that,
of the emotional moments for me in the film
where I actually did have, like, where
I could, you know, thinking back where I was like,
(09:25):
oh, gosh, that was one of them. Yeah,
where I was really like that. That
was very effective. And the pain and the,
and, and the, the CG did work very,
very well. When Galactus was pulling, pulling
Reed, you know, apart like, like that. And when,
and especially like, even whenever his costume was starting to
(09:46):
rip and stuff, I was like, oh, yeah, they, they, that was
a good visceral moment. That was very effective in this
film.
>> Sarah (09:52):
Yeah. And I, I, I can appreciate.
And I pointed this out when you made me, when
you forced me to watch at least one trailer, if not
two trailers, and that I,
that they, they didn't show, they showed maybe one
scene of him stretching, but they, they didn't
because like you said, it's a stupid
(10:13):
power, but they,
so in this movie, they hardly ever do.
And when he does use it, it uses it.
It makes sense in terms of what is going on.
It's not a scapegoat because there is much
more emphasis on his intelligence, which
that's the way it should be. from what I understand
(10:34):
about this character in the comics,
he's the most intelligent person in all of the
universe. So there they were more
focused on setting that as a
superpower and that as something
to be fostered and to grow, especially
as now he comes to terms
(10:54):
with fatherhood. Now I do think
that in terms of character,
that's where it got a little bit like,
like, okay, you guys are not doing the
best job because I've seen Ben
hold that baby more than you read.
(11:17):
So. And I get it, I get it. I understand
that he's, he doesn't recognize social cues
and all of that stuff. Stuff. But at the same
time, I just
wish that there was better
moments where you
could really feel and, and
(11:39):
the scene where he takes, the baby
to Franklin to, like,
the look at the,
the apparatus he built to monitor
him while he was still in Sue's belly.
Yeah, I thought that was, scene was very good because of, how
it ended. Like, I kept trying to
(11:59):
see who you are, and now I'm gonna
let you, let you show us
who you are. Like I'm gonna let you grow up.
And as good as writing as that is,
it still fell flat. And I feel that way
about a lot of emotional moments throughout this
movie, but where I think the writing is
(12:20):
good and I'm not necessarily 100%
blaming performances, but
I don't feel like the emotional,
emotional beats hit the way
that they should have and probably
for thousands of different reasons.
>> Will (12:37):
But yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean,
I know you missed the missed the beginning of the film, but I will
say that the first act or
it took me a while to get emotionally invested
into, into this film. And I don't know if I ever fully got
fully emotionally invested into these
characters. Especially like after, after,
(12:58):
like it's been. I watched it also
last Thursday.
And, and I, I, I
haven't thought much about this
movie afterwards. I mean I did an out of the
theater reaction to it and, and I, you know, at
Prisoner in a moment in the, the, the
(13:18):
thing I did like about the film was
it, you know, and now
that I'm thinking about, you know, at the time I was like right
out of it, I was like, yeah, you know, the, you know
that the run time, the hour 58,
55, you know, it seemed, you know,
you know, moved out. A good clip was very, very,
(13:39):
very tight in, in with the
direction and the pacing. But now
as I have some days past a
film, I think that actually was a
detriment being too
efficient with the pacing
because I think it did leave
(14:00):
something to be desired because I do, I, mean while I was
watching the film, I was just like, I'm not really click, you know,
I'm, I, I like these characters, but
I don't feel for these characters. And, and, and now
post film, I, I, it really is
as we discussed it, I'm like, yeah, that it really,
that tightness really there, there was a, it was
(14:21):
a detriment to me to, for me to really
feel something for, for this story.
>> Sarah (14:26):
Yeah. So you didn't get emotional when
sue sacrificed herself?
>> Will (14:31):
No, not at all.
>> Sarah (14:32):
Yeah, yeah. Did. Was it because you
instantly knew they were going to use Franklin?
>> Will (14:39):
I think that was, I mean,
yeah, I mean I did. I, you know,
so I will freely admit, as far as the
Fantastic Four, I'm not well
steeped in the lore as far as these
characters at all. I mean I'm familiar with who they are.
I remember the cartoon and but
I, you know, but I have a couple comic books,
(15:01):
you know, I think from, from the
Silver Age that I got with, With the kit
when I. When I got my first comic book set. But I
mean, there, you know, but I'm not. I'm not a big
fantastic forehead, so. But
even that being said, I mean, the
way things were being set up with this story,
(15:21):
right, I. I knew that
when Franklin touched her,
somehow, some way he was going to bring her back.
>> Sarah (15:29):
Okay, let's. I just want to talk about this
because, I'm usually very quick,
and I'm not saying I got emotional,
but the way they edited that
sequence, I swear she was
dead for a good two minutes. And I was just
like. I was like, wow, they
(15:50):
really. They really just killed her. Wow.
Wow. It wasn't until he
actually, like, started crying to get down
and for like. Like dad, put me
down on her that I was like, oh, yeah, yeah,
Franklin's gonna bring her back. Like, it took. I
didn't instantly think because, like
(16:10):
yourself, I know nothing about. Especially
Franklin. This is my introduction to him. I feel like
I learned a lot more, but. And I'm very
intrigued by this, kiddo. But
I. In that. In that moment, I at
first was just like, wow, that's. That's
really brave of them see you to kill off sue like
that. Like, no, bring her
(16:32):
back.
>> Will (16:33):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (16:33):
But I also. I.
Even though that emotional beat didn't work, and it
kind of was a, A scam
of sorts of just like, well, why did we even
kn. Need that in to begin with? I
do think that overall the third act
did not stop. Suffer as male
(16:54):
as as many failings as
past especially Marvel movies
have. I don't think that the action
got too,
disjointed and the. The
editing goes out the window and you don't know where people are.
I think that they. For. For having at least
(17:15):
four characters at play. And then Galactus
as well as, As well as Franklin
and then eventually Silver Surfer. I think
they did a good job in terms of
really setting the scene
and making you understand where people
were in relation to one another.
>> Will (17:35):
Yeah, yeah, I'd agree. I mean,
this. One of the things that I did like about
this film, even though I think the first act,
when it didn't work as well for me. I mean,
not that I wanted to have like a complete,
We show them getting the powers and stuff. I mean, I like the montage. I
thought that that worked really well. And.
(17:56):
And it set. You know,
it set the table as far as, like, here's, you
know, here's the back using it. Using the
television show, the Variety show to like,
established in this world that these characters are, are
known. They're established quantity. They
know you know that, you know, they know their power
(18:17):
set. They know their skill set. You know, we're not going
in into like learning
how the Johnny you know, is not so
prickly as you know or not, you know.
>> Sarah (18:28):
Right. No, it's, it's more about
setting the stage for how these,
heroes, what they mean to the world.
And that way when they go
off, to, to defeat
Galactus and come back and say
we didn't defeat him, like,
(18:48):
that's, that's where the,
the, tension comes from. The, the
conflict. because it's now
the world that once loved you is
you feels like you turned their, your
back on them. Because now
granted, it's to protect their own kid. So,
(19:11):
so I, I, I agree. Like,
yes. And no, I didn't watch the, the
opening few minutes, but I,
I already knew what their power set was and we've already
seen the origin story or been told. And
you, you don't need, you don't need to
establish that for purposes of this story.
(19:32):
It was more important to establish and
really understand how
beloved and how cherished
these, figures are in this, not
only in the United States, but across the world.
Because eventually it turns into the
world banning together.
Granted again though, did
(19:54):
not get emotional during Sue Storm's big speech
about saying, hey, everyone, I know you want
to take my child and kill him, but this is
Franklin. He has a name. He is a living,
breathing baby and I love him.
Okay. Yeah, I just,
I didn't, I didn't feel anything. It
felt, it felt weird. And
(20:18):
it, I think arguably
one of the, one of the
worst parts, like worst
pieces of dialogue in the entire movie
was that speech. It just, it
didn't feel right. she,
I, and I,
(20:38):
I feel like with sue and Pedro
or with sue and, Reed,
their arguments and their tension
throughout the movie was, was good
because there wasn't a lot of dialogue.
There was a lot of, like. I know what you're thinking.
You know what I'm thinking? This and that, which
(20:59):
felt like a, a
relationship that has, like they've been
together for a while. Like,
like we don't have to watch it because just
with their shorthand, we,
we already get the context clues that these two
have been through a lot together.
>> Will (21:19):
Yeah. Yeah. Completely agree. I mean, I think that
was definitely that their relationship
worked. As far as the chemistry
between, Pedro and, Vanessa
Kirby. I think it definitely, they did feel Like a real
couple. They felt like a real, real marriage. I think
she you know, she she going back.
(21:40):
Sue understands Reed especially
like with, with this. With the choices
that, that they make and
whenever they have that discussion about what,
what. What to do in the
situation and, and she knows that
Reed even though he's, you know,
(22:00):
he's. She knows him and she knows that where
logically he unders. You know where he's
going to go. From a logical
standpoint, Franklin has to, you
know, the decision is to get Franklin the galactus if
that's going to save the Earth. Because you know that's, you know, the theme
of families. One that is. That permeates through
(22:21):
this and like you said, one of the strong things about
the first act in particular was
not only establishing that the,
the. The first family but also how the world
is with the exception of ah, one one country which
they, they make a very good point of showing.
>> Sarah (22:38):
Which one m. you can say
it will.
>> Will (22:42):
Will.
>> Sarah (22:42):
I don't know if you realize this is a spoiler discussion.
>> Will (22:45):
You can say yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. I know. I was just trying,
I was trying to hold off to the, the mid credit for a while.
But yeah, you
Latavia. but And her being a
diplomat. But to that point
going back to us where I was going with that there,
you know, the world is their extended family as well. And
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and so I think that was, that was
an emotional beat that did work for me in, in the
story.
>> Sarah (23:13):
Good. Yeah yeah, good good.
>> Will (23:15):
And also. Yeah, yeah, it did. It really did. Because.
Because that will that, that at the core
that is what this movie is about. And I think that was one.
And so, so and
I bought that and, and so to you
know, and something that we were discussed as far as talking about that
third act. That's why that third act works. So what
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works so well and it doesn't fall apart.
One, because they don't over rely on the action. But two,
they had built up this feeling of
this is a family and we are, we are you know
and setting. Setting things on 828
versus 616 definitely
makes us. It does add the
element of stakes to, to the story. Even though we
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know at the end of the day they're going to, they're going to.
They're going to solve this. This situation.
I did, I did feel like okay, I did buy into
that aspect of the story.
>> Sarah (24:11):
Right right.
now we talked about the third act,
that action and, and how good it
was. there was another Action
sequence. tied to a birth scene
which we've. Because we watch House of Dragon, we're very familiar
with burst scenes. Probably the latest verse scene
(24:31):
ever.
>> Will (24:33):
Yes.
>> Sarah (24:34):
I, so, so I,
think I would have enjoyed it better
if I wasn't just thinking, thinking to myself
the entire time, I'm just like,
are we really supposed to believe? Like, are
we really. I don't know. I had a very hard
time with the birth aspect that it
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was distracting from. Probably all of the
really cool stuff going on in terms of
Johnny and Silver Surfer
riding the, the
molten ways, all of that. I mean, it
was, it was a lot. It was cool. Cool. But
simultaneously my mind was just like,
(25:16):
but if, if, if the kid comes
out, like, shouldn't blood be floating?
>> Will (25:23):
I was thinking the practical things of
childbirth did. Yeah. So. Because especially when
they kick off, she kicks off the pants in the spacesuit and it
floats away. And also it's like, yeah,
this is a very anti. This is a very sanitized
birthday.
>> Sarah (25:39):
Yeah. Yeah. This is a very, like, we know a
five year old is gonna be in the audience and
I'm just like, okay, just, just gotta get through
it. Just gotta get through it.
>> Will (25:49):
yep, yep.
>> Sarah (25:50):
Yeah. It's so funny.
Like a part of me in,
like, I know that it was very good action
sequence, but the logical part is kind
of like, I don't, I don't know if this was
entirely necessary. especially
because we never circled back around to the fact
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of how pregnant was she before getting
on that ship. And is anybody
ever gonna go back to Galactus and be like, why did you speed
up the birth process? Yeah,
but, yeah, yeah.
>> Will (26:25):
I mean, whenever she was like, whenever they were Galactus and
her water breaks in that, in that scene, I was.
>> Sarah (26:30):
Just like, okay, her
water broke after Galactus, like
quote unquote touched her. Yeah, like
he did something. I don't think she was
nine months pregnant at that.
>> Will (26:44):
I don't think so either. I did, I didn't take it that way either. I, was like,
whoa, this is a pre, this is a premature situation here.
Whenever I, I was.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (26:52):
The most realistic aspect of that
entire thing was when she yelled at Johnny
to go kill Silver Surfer. I think that was
the most realistic point of that sequence.
Okay, you are giving birth because you just
sent him to kill someone. And yes,
everyone should have noted how excited he
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was to hear the word kill. that was a
bit, that was a bit much.
>> Will (27:19):
Yeah, Yeah. I will say though, that
whole sequence, that was so as I mentioned, there were A couple
points where I did like, lean forward in my seat and,
And. And the whole Galactus, the whole
introduction of whenever we do
go to his world and stuff. That, that, that's what
I really. I think that was the point in the film where I
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was like, I, I got engaged because I was
like. I said the first act, I was smooth. But
whenever they, when they went on the mission and,
and we see the Scott. The size
and Scott scale and scope of Galactus,
that was like. Okay, I'm,
That. That was the moment for me where I was just like,
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okay, I, I like this film.
I'm on board now. because, you know,
not only the voice work of, Ralph Ensign, Innocent,
who, you know, for. For it,
but, But just everything around it and then the whole course,
the whole sequence where, When. When they are on
the event horizon with Black Hole, just. And.
(28:21):
And just a proper like very
Star Trek. Very Star Trek. And the
warp. It was very Star Trek. It totally was.
And even the, the weapons, like, you know, bending
around, how they should have warped. I mean, everything about it just
really just I, that. That was a scene
that I really did appreciate.
>> Sarah (28:41):
Yeah, Yeah, I, I think I even thought
about that while watching it where I was like,
will has to be digging this part because I get Star
Trek vibes from here. And
I think that with
Galactus,
I think that,
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in. In other things like Eternals,
we've seen these, These villains that
are like
three or four skyscrapers tall,
larger than the world, and all of this.
This daunting to bring them into live
action has never felt as
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menacing and as.
No, no, no. There's.
There's. There's more to this.
Like, Like, I, I like the part where
he, he admits I was a humanoid once
and then this happened. That there, there's.
I, I can appre. I think that for the
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first time with one of these kind
of characters, these very godlike
beings that are literally
larger than life, they finally
made it work because of the use
of. Arguably, I would argue the use
of Shalabal, Silver Surfer,
because we spent so much time with her
(30:08):
that that allowed him to be.
But it was very straightforward. It wasn't like, oh, we
wait till the third act to get revealed.
Like, it wasn't that the big boss, yes,
came at the end, but we also got a little
sneak peek because the
Fantastic Four for the first time needed to lose
or come, to stalemate because
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it was more of a decision about their child.
and which plays into all of their fears
that they even had before Galactus
even came or Shallow Ball even
came. So I think. I think that
that is another strength of this movie and
looking back on it, years down the line,
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is that the. The villain works.
It's not the best. We've seen better.
But for purposes of this
story, the villain
works. and it is
not too distracting and
is also like. Like I said at the
(31:14):
beginning, gave us. And the only reason
why I find him terrifying is because of the way
he stretched Reed
up until then. Did not really. And then
the moment he stretched, I'm like, okay, you're legit.
Get it. Got it. Good.
>> Will (31:31):
Yeah. Yep.
>> Sarah (31:32):
And I like the. The whole.
He did feel like he was. He was one
step ahead because they come up with a
plan to teleport the world
millions of light years away. Right. To
move the Earth. And then. And
they do the. They do the trap
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and they. They remove the
Franklin and replace it with a fake. And
yet. And right. As usual,
right. What? It's only one step more
he figures it out and goes after the real
Franklin. So I can
appreciate how
he, The threat they
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managed to show, then
hide and. And then have him
like really be the Big Bad at the
end. and they did it in a way
where you didn't get too,
bored or.
>> Will (32:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
agree. Yeah. I mean, I. Yeah, I think that was.
That was the thing that did work for me
as well as far as that with. With the.
With the fight scene as well. That he. He did figure
it out. He, you know, he. Because I mean, if I recall
Galactus actually, I don't know if
(32:51):
you mentioned this in the movie or. I know it just
from. Just other. Other works, but,
he. He predates this
universe.
>> Sarah (33:00):
Yeah, they m. Said that in the movie.
>> Will (33:03):
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. so,
you know, so. So it makes sense that
even though Reed currently is like the. The
most brilliant being in the universe right now,
it would take someone who has that extra level
to be able to beat the smartest man in the
world.
(33:24):
And. And so that was. That's also what makes
it work. And also for me, like as
gave the film some stakes that sometimes
are. That are missing and, and make Galactus in
addition to the stretch that we talked about, but
also just made him very, very threatening as well.
That. Oh yeah, you know. Yeah. He.
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He saw through Reed's 3.3's plan in his
trap.
>> Sarah (33:49):
Yeah. But. But I. And I
don't think it was Reed who beat
Galactus. It's Johnny who beat Galactus
because the. And that, that's
another thing that took me by surprise. I
thought I was gonna hate Johnny just because of
the haircut. Joseph Quinn is a
fabulous actor. Loves him in Stranger
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Things. That haircut, my God. I
will say though, while watching the movie, the
lighting worked. It was perfectly fine. I got
more offended by it during the previews than I did
while watching the film. Mainly because
Johnny had, stuff to do
and more so than I've seen in
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any other movie. Because
yes, he, it's. I love that line.
Oh, you guys think. Because Johnny loves space and
Johnny loves hot girls or naked girls.
Like I have a crush.
one plus one equals two. So.
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And there was that. But at the same time,
while Reed is doing his thing and
other things, I appreciate how
they, and they even started this way before
Shalabal even appeared. With the
messages and the intrigue behind it
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and the subtleness that
Johnny is clearly still trying to
prove to his brother in law his value.
>> Will (35:23):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (35:24):
And, and, and it's more
so to even read than sue because
throughout it sue checks in on him
and he shows her and you can see that
relationship. but I like that
there wasn't tension between the siblings.
There was subtle tension between
him and Reid, but not because like, oh,
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you're married to my sister. It's more
as though I appreciate you
because of your brilliance. I just need
you to to see what I can do
and to make HM me feel value.
And I, I really like that.
and I, and I, and I loved
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like one of my favorite scenes. And I,
and I thought this as soon as I saw it is
the herald of
when Shalabal first appears on Earth.
Right. And, and
yeah, we've seen that scene in the trailers.
but that's not the part that like struck me. The part
(36:28):
was when Johnny goes and chases after her
and then he goes out and then reaches.
Grabs this surfboard and,
and she says that to him, to
die with yours in her language.
And I, that was just.
Wow. I don't know. The,
(36:50):
the. I got
goosebumps. And it's a
very similar sequence. And I don't know if you're
gonna know where I'm going with this. I don't know if you will
but think about into
the spider verse, the
jumping sequence. Yes, yes,
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yes, yes. That
those two, for some reason, the way they
present it, it's a very
like, wow. Like
feels straight from a comic book.
>> Will (37:25):
Yep. The words right of my mouth. Yep.
>> Sarah (37:27):
Yeah. Yeah, it's just so. And then the.
And. And I think that this is
why I was on Johnny's side when he was trying to
convince the others, because she did Julie
Garner for. For all the CGI
makeup she had, she broke through that
makeup. I was worried about that. Like, I was like,
Julia. Julia Gardner is great.
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And, they don't give her a lot. I argue.
I would argue they probably could have given her more. But
whatever the. The. What
they do, and especially in that moment,
that moment is why I can believe at
the end she. She turns.
Because, you know, right from there, like,
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she. There's something else going on with her.
Like, she's not as big much of a
servant as that she want, would want you to believe.
>> Will (38:21):
Yeah, yeah, I. Yeah, I. I completely agree.
And. And. And I think that's, you know, a lot of folks,
some of the workers howling
and all the interwebs about the gender swap
and stuff. But to that point, I mean, I think
they did it to set up several
things, one of which you. Which you just. What you just
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shared. I mean, I think that that was part of why they had
to, you know, make that change in order for this
character to work in the context of this film.
>> Sarah (38:50):
So is it a gender swap?
Because from what I understand, SH.
Ball is a legit character from a run of
comics, so. No.
Like, yes. Silver Surfer. The.
The one. The main M. Silver Neil
Gam or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(39:12):
He. He. We know, but she's his
wife. And in a version of events,
she becomes a Silver.
>> Will (39:20):
Yeah, yeah. It's. Yeah, I'm just. Yeah, it's just. It's just.
>> Sarah (39:23):
I know, I know. I just. I just want to bring
that up because if people are listening
and don't know about that, I found that when
I learned about that, I was just like, well, that goes.
Who cares about gender swap? Ah, that's not a gender swap in my
book. That's. I, we're using this version of
Events. And did you hear about this? This is what I
found so interesting about that run of
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comics when she was Silver Surfer.
Do you know who was? Galactus.
>> Will (39:53):
No, who was it?
>> Sarah (39:54):
Franklin. Ah,
so. So a lot of the really
big nerds and,
lovers of Fantastic Four,
like, they. They got a lot
out of the fact that this movie,
like Franklin appears and.
>> Will (40:14):
Right.
>> Sarah (40:14):
Silver Surfer, you're not getting Neil.
You're getting Shala Ball. So, yeah,
yeah. So it. I. I found that to be
very interesting because, yeah, I may
not get all of these references,
but when they work for the real
Die Hards. The Die Hards will tell me
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what to. What I need to understand.
And it just proves to me that
despite everything that's happened in the last few
years with mcu, they still
got people pulling stuff out.
They. They don't care. They're just
like, ah, well, we're gonna bury this, and
(40:56):
it's gonna. 90% of the audience
won't understand. But, you know, when the people who. The
10% who do know, they will
tell the masses, and then the masses will start to
appreciate.
>> Will (41:09):
Yep, yep, yep. I, I, I, I do appreciate
that. I do. yeah, because like I said, I, I.
This is the. As I said earlier, this is one
space where I don't have very deep knowledge
at all. So I am. I am learning as I go.
>> Sarah (41:24):
Yeah, definitely. And I don't. I don't want
to. I want to find out as.
I want to find these little
intricacies as Feige brings
them in. and
my. Okay, this brings me to
arguably my. My
(41:44):
low point of this discussion,
because I. I love
Yvonne Moss Bakarak. Okay,
probably just butchered his name, but whatever, cousin.
We know him. we love him.
>> Will (41:56):
We love him. Yep.
>> Sarah (41:59):
And I, I did. I liked his performance.
However,
they did not utilize this guy at
all. Okay. Ben
hardly had an arc. And,
and granted, the whole. I don't like the way
I look, I. We. We've seen it a few different
(42:20):
times. It didn't seem like they were going to do anything else
with it, but I feel.
I feel just like he was
underserved as a character. Granted, when
he, he did have really good chemistry
whenever he was interacting with Johnny,
because it wasn't that, like, oh,
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you're ugly. Like, like, it wasn't them
butting heads. It did feel like brothers.
They did feel like, oh, these guys,
they pick on each other. But at the same
time, when mole man comes in and
starts packing, picking on Johnny,
you hear. You hear Ben say, no, no, no,
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you're handsome.
He's like, I. Who can pick on Johnny for the way he
looks? Okay.
>> Will (43:11):
Yep, Yep. Yeah, but, yeah, I agree.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think, you know, because they,
you know, I, I agree that, you know, that there were.
I mean, like, at the beginning of the story, he.
He was the one whenever sue
came out with sue and recame down the stairs
and, you know, he was
(43:31):
perceptive enough to realize that she was pregnant and all
that. So he had, you know, so there were a little. There were
nuggets of moments but, but overall,
I agree. He, he did seem underserved. And of course the
biggest one was the
with his flirting, the
flirt, the back and forth with, Natasha Leon's character,
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Rachel, that, that, that was just
so under baked. And I'm just like at that at
this point, this is where, you know, going back to what I was saying earlier
about like it was. There was. It was edited
to the point where this is where it sacrificed
this. That was one story beat that. Where it did
sack that. That the tightness sacrificed good
story and good character development for the. For. For Ben.
>> Sarah (44:15):
See, and the thing is, we'll never know
because I, I do agree. I agree
that this was clearly edited
there. They. They did not hold back
with that knife. And because of that,
we will never know if they made the right decision
or the wrong decision because sometimes when
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they do leave stuff in, we're like, well, he could have trimmed
that.
>> Will (44:42):
Yeah. For example, I know there was, they said they had.
John Malovich was supposed to be in the Red. The Red Ghost,
I believe was supposed to be a part of this story. But in the context
of the, of the film,
that made sense to me that why they trimmed that
out. But it could have some more stuff here with Ben. I
mean they really.
>> Sarah (44:59):
Oh yeah. He could have had
a better arc. Like, we just got
done talking about Johnny and the utilization of
Johnny. They didn't utilize Ben to the full
extent. And that's why for me,
as much as I, I love this
actor and the CGI did not bother me
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at all with Ben. and
you know what? I'll just say it now. This is going to
be a first because I already heard it in
the way will phrase some things earlier.
the. None of the CGI bothered me throughout this
movie, and that includes little baby.
It did not bother me at all.
>> Will (45:42):
Wow. Mark this moment, y'. All. We're at the 45
minute sec mark of our. Of our review
here, and I think this is a cena nerd first. While we've been doing
this together now since 2017 with, with me
and Sarah where I heard her that the CGI did not bother
her.
>> Sarah (45:58):
Yeah. Yeah. And did it bother
you or did it not bother you?
>> Will (46:03):
It did not. Actually. It worked for me. The, the, the aesthetic
for this film. Really. I, I really
enjoyed it. I, I did. I mean it's, it's really,
you know, even from, you know, from the, from the. Get with the Marvel
Studios. I don't
know. So did you watch it on imax?
>> Sarah (46:19):
Or Well, I
told a very important story and that
was.
>> Will (46:26):
Yes, you did. You did.
>> Sarah (46:28):
Key details. Are you kidding?
>> Will (46:29):
You did. I know, I know. Just the case post
dropped. Yeah, I, I had, I had a, I had a senior moment
there.
Yeah. but, but no but, but whenever they had the
countdown and they like went into the,
into the, the beginning of the film,
the whole, the whole aesthetic really just like
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I was like, I, I, I really like this retro,
you know, we're in, in the 60s, but you know, that time,
even though it's a modern story, but we're still
kept the 60 aesthetic. And
61 I think is when the story starts and, and
that at least with this backstory and we're in 64,
64, 65. When, when the story
(47:11):
happens. And I just really, really, really
liked it. it was just the,
the get the.
>> Sarah (47:18):
Yeah, because, because it's the same, it's the
same aesthetic that they used in Loki.
>> Will (47:24):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (47:26):
Art person, and designer and everything.
>> Will (47:29):
And we, and also.
>> Sarah (47:30):
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
>> Will (47:31):
Loki. And also, the, you know, of course
Matt Shackman who directed WandaVision too, was that same
sitcom. you know, he did, he, he's very comfortable
and of course with shooting
those types of scenes and the color gradient and all that kind of stuff
because like you said, they use the same, same
production folks and same behind the scenes folks with it
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and it shows.
>> Sarah (47:54):
Yeah, yeah, it, I, I, I think
in terms of production and I knew
this even going in. I think
overall I wasn't expecting a lot out of this movie.
Okay. Yeah, it really wasn't. And I, and I,
I think that's why I enjoyed it.
Is it my favorite? No. Am I,
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am I like, oh my God, I want to talk about A,
B, C and D. No. Have I
like you brought up before? Have I thought much about this movie
since watching it? No, but I do
know while watching it I was
like, okay, let's go CGI
baby
(48:36):
man, whatever.
Yeah, I was there. I was on board. And you
know, I had some questioning moments, especially during
the birth scene, but whatever, we move on from it.
And, and overall, I mean
it's, it's a summer
blockbuster comic book genre movie,
so I have no, I'm not mad at this movie
(48:58):
whatsoever. And I think that
aesthetically, like my big expectation
was mainly that about the
directing and the art design and
how the, the cinematography. Just
because I, that that was one of
the big strengths of Loki. And as you
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brought up WandaVision, and,
and so, so maybe that's why it
also felt
so familiar yet new.
Yeah, because you do you. You have seen
this style before in
this, in this world,
(49:40):
if you will. And, and
yet we're. We're getting some
quasi new characters and a story
and something you put on the rundown is, is
this the story start of a soft reboot
in of the MCU and in phase
six? And
I mean, sure, but why does
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it matter? Like, Like, I. I think
everyone's, I just want to move on from phases. Okay.
This is a movie. Clearly it's leading
into Doomsday. Based on the mid credit scene
and everything. Like we. We
knew at the moment you announced doomsday.
And you know, there's a Fantastic Four movie coming.
(50:24):
You, like, they're gonna be the principals.
One plus one equals two people.
>> Will (50:30):
Yep, yep. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. And speaking of the doomsday,
and also the Doctor Doom reveal,
how did your. How did your theater react? I'm just curious.
>> Sarah (50:43):
Oh, well, haven't you learned anything? I live in
Alaska. There was probably 10
other people in my theater.
>> Will (50:51):
All right, so.
>> Sarah (50:53):
So I don't get. I don't get lower
48 reactions to any
movies. Okay. So do not. Let's
not come.
>> Will (51:01):
Okay. I just. Yeah, I. I mean, I know there was like, only.
I know There were like 10 of you in there. I just didn't know if like, you know, two people,
like, what? Holy. You know.
Yeah, yeah. Cause. Yeah, so in Durham, yeah, I
mean, it was, you know, so I. I will
say the crowd that I. That the
theater when I saw Thursday night were, you know,
(51:23):
were definitely the hardcore folks. but even.
But even at that there were enough
casual Marvel fans in the crowd
that when that Mid M credit happened, there was like
audible, I mean, audible reactions in my
theater where people were like, some people, some people,
people lost their minds. Something. And
(51:44):
so you know what?
>> Sarah (51:45):
I love hearing that because
I couldn't help but just think,
we know it's rdj. Why not show
his face like, you coward.
For me, it was like, oh, you didn't actually want to
write him a check? Got it. Okay.
>> Will (52:06):
Apparently, apparently he, you know, I, did see
one. Two things. One, but you know, clearly the Russos did that
scene because Shackman said it. And
two, Vanessa Kirby, she did share that,
actually, that was rdj because she's like, he's.
He's. He's an omnipresent on the set.
And so. Yeah, so I.
>> Sarah (52:27):
That makes me a little bit more mad, but
okay, that, that's fine. I.
I think the Discourse from the
hardcore nerds who
love Fantastic Four about
the fact that Franklin,
is touchy in the face.
(52:47):
I've. I feel like I got a crash course
after watching this movie and that tells me
that this is a better movie
than even I understand.
because when the people that this
movie is truly made for, which are the die
hard fans of this se.
(53:08):
This comic book run,
when they can talk hours and do
a Cliff Notes version of the fact that
it's interesting how Franklin,
who, will. And, and I'm
just going to say this now if you don't want potential future
(53:28):
spoilers. I love you, thank you for
listening. Please leave.
I respect you enough to say that right now.
>> Will (53:38):
So I clicked on, I put on the spoiler alert. Just.
>> Sarah (53:41):
So here's what I understand could potentially
be happening. Franklin at one
point in the run, takes on a
Persona called Molecular man, okay.
Who plays a pivotal role
in in Secret Wars.
(54:02):
So that is, that is one theory going
on about how, how
that could be the trajectory and why
Franklin is specifically introduced in, in
this this movie,
when we have that in the future as well as
Doomsday. The other
very, nuanced discourse that is happening
(54:25):
about this mid credit credit scene is the fact
that it's Franklin and Doom and
not. And I'm going to butcher her name,
but she is named the other
re. Richard's child,
Lavatia. Like it's a, it's a, it's
a word play on where Doom is
(54:45):
from. Okay, okay. Like
Latvia or something.
>> Will (54:51):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (54:52):
Oh, go ahead.
>> Will (54:53):
No, go, no, go ahead. I think I was trying to remember the name.
Yeah, sorry.
>> Sarah (54:56):
Yeah. So from what I understand,
she's named after Doom
because Reed is off doing something
else. Sue is about to give
like needs protection or something and Doom
says I will protect your
family because they have a weird relationship or whatever.
(55:18):
And, and through this action,
he becomes the godfather of their
daughter. And she has a very,
like, they're very tight and close.
so, so, so that's the other thing is
like, okay, so, so are you going to
introduce this other like the daughter?
(55:38):
And I mean by the end of this
movie we're seeing four years into the future.
So are we gonna get the daughter or Only.
Only getting Franklin because Molecular man
is also like one version this
kid from. And
here's another spoiler. And I'm sorry for
all you fans of Bob, but
(56:00):
apparently Franklin kills
the Void at one point and Bob,
that is how powerful he is.
>> Will (56:11):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (56:11):
In the books, like this is A, there's a.
Definitely a good reason why Galactus
wanted him. And to say that he is
cosmically blessed is probably the
understatement, from what I understand.
so I, And, And I,
I also had this, Sorry, I'm talking a lot, but
I had this running through my head while watching the movie.
(56:34):
And I don't know if you did, too, because it's called
Fantastic Four, but it's also very. It's called
First Steps.
>> Will (56:41):
Yep.
>> Sarah (56:43):
The movie's all about, technically, all about
Franklin.
>> Will (56:47):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (56:48):
So why couldn't, at the end, we see him take his
first step? Because this is really what's
happening. Like, you just gave birth
to what will become, like,
the biggest threat and
hero simultaneously in the entire
universe, and. My God.
(57:10):
but. So I, I, I
don't know, though. I, I, I think it's.
I think it's clever
that we've
always heard these characters described as
Marvel's first family. So the real
introduction to the MCU is them
(57:32):
legitimately
reproducing.
>> Will (57:36):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (57:37):
Yeah. To prove to you this is
Marvel's first family, and they, they
reproduced. And now, now we're kind of
terrified, because if Franklin has a bad day,
he doesn't know how to use his powers. Okay.
So, so he, he may have. He may have brought
sue back, but I don't know, if she takes away his
blanket, what will happen? Okay.
>> Will (58:02):
Oh, boy. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (58:04):
That's all I know.
>> Will (58:06):
Yeah. No, no, I mean, I, you know,
of course, you know, I know you brought up Bob, and,
and that. That was. That was
one thing too, that, I was, I was
really curious about how and, and,
and shame on me for just, like. But I
think it's just, you know, after so many. So many
(58:26):
TV shows and movies, I'm just always expecting, like,
them to tie it back into something. But I really did
appreciate how this truly was, from start
to finish, a standalone story, because I was so.
I was like, okay, now how are they gonna weave in the.
The, end credit from.
From Thunderbolts?
>> Sarah (58:45):
Oh, yeah.
>> Will (58:46):
I never did. And I never did.
>> Sarah (58:48):
Which is great.
>> Will (58:49):
I really appreciated that. Yep.
>> Sarah (58:51):
Yeah. Because. Because we don't need the end
credits to necessarily weave together. I mean, we're getting
pieces of the puzzle at this point. And, And
I will say,
up until this conversation,
where. Where I truly understand how much I did
enjoy Fantastic Four. And probably,
(59:12):
probably even after this, I will say,
between the two Thunderbolts and
Fantastic Four, I.
And this is only because of a very specific
scene in Thunderbolts. I. I
do find that I lean more
thunderbolts just because
(59:34):
David Harbor. Okay,
I. To this day. And, and
this is also because I have a very embarrassing dad
myself. So to this day,
I vividly in my mind will
just think about him
running into the desert and yelling at.
(59:54):
At Yelena, she,
wants to kill you.
We have to. And just the
embarrassment, just the utter, like,
don't look at it. It'll go away. Don't make eye
contact. I don't know him. Do not.
No, I just. There's that,
(01:00:15):
that moment. Like,
I, I'm. I'm sorry.
you can clearly hear in the way I'm talking about
Fantastic Four. I had a great time.
It was fine. I'm definitely not mad. I definitely
has more strengths than it does weaknesses.
But what. But
(01:00:36):
Thunderbolts made me laugh out loud a whole
bunch. And I still think about some of those jokes.
first steps. I didn't really laugh at all.
albeit I did get goosebumps a few times, which
I mentioned before.
>> Will (01:00:49):
But, yeah, so, yeah, I,
I did laugh out loud a few
in both films. and, but like, and like I said Prisoner of
the Moment whenever I first watched
it, and even now I, I like
this was a fun movie. I mean, as far as,
as far as the vibes I got, you know, it's.
(01:01:10):
I have, you know, it's one of those, one of those Marvel
properties that
I'll probably, you know, that I can see myself re watching
because I haven't really had the desire to re. Watch a lot of
these films recently. and, and. But this
is one where I'm like, you know what? I do want to go back and especially after,
now that we've talked about it, because that, that
(01:01:30):
I definitely want to go back and, and watch it again
in the theater. and then, and then, and then
even when it comes out on streaming because there's.
There's a lot there. And, and, and, and just our
conversation tonight made me realize, like, yeah, I caught a lot of
things, but there's. There's even more things that I think a
rewatch will. Will help
(01:01:51):
close some of the. The knowledge gaps that I have
so that as we move into the next round
of, you know, m. Next round of films and, and
shows, even though this is. Even though this is a
standalone and they, they.
They may or may not. They may or may not have anything to do with the, the
larger, you know, doomsday saga,
(01:02:11):
there's some foundational things here that, that are
important Yeah.
>> Sarah (01:02:16):
I think that the best comparison I've heard
since watching it, is that
this feels like a Phase one
Marvel movie.
>> Will (01:02:26):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (01:02:27):
Because if you, like, take your
love of Iron man aside,
but if you really think about First Avenger,
Thor 1, those kind of
movies.
>> Will (01:02:40):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (01:02:40):
And like,
a lot of people I don't think appreciated them as much
at the time as they did
later on when, when larger things
were coming to light like I
and I. And that really struck me
because it's so true that I think
(01:03:02):
that five
movies down the line, or when we get
Fantastic Four to
however long into the future, I
think then there'll be nostalgia for
this movie and more appreciation for some of the
subtleness that it did.
(01:03:22):
but it. For right now, in terms, it's just
like, okay, we're at the beginning again.
We've been through this.
>> Will (01:03:34):
Yeah. I think, Yeah. I think that, you know,
you shared earlier about the, The note
that I have put on the rundown about is this a soft reboot? And
as you're saying, the, you know, going back to those.
The first phase, I, think
subconsciously that's where. Where. Why I put that note there
because you're right. I mean, I think that. That this film
(01:03:54):
is. Does. Does. Is going to play that role.
and we'll see. Like. Oh, yeah. Okay. This,
this is why this, this. This is why this, this film is.
Was important.
>> Sarah (01:04:05):
Yeah. In the grand
scheme,
past my bedtime. It's probably like almost
your bedtime because. Yeah, I'm like an
old woman at heart. But, any.
Any small bits of Comic Con or do you want to talk about
that the next. Oh, yeah, we're not
meeting for like a month.
>> Will (01:04:27):
Yeah, let's. Let's. I mean, this really, really fast
because, over the weekend I did do a,
Did, you know, a couple live streams for some of the stuff
from Comic Con. But of course, one of the,
you know, I don't know if you watched the Gen V, trailer.
I did. I didn't watch this until right
before recording. so of course they did drop, a
(01:04:49):
new poster for Gen V. And and they do
have the full trailer for. For the upcoming season, so.
Looks really good. We do. You know, there were a couple,
crossovers, in that, we'll see
from the. From the Boys into the show,
Starlight. and, Black Door. but, but yeah, you
know, it looks like they're really gonna be. Marie's really going to be the big focus this
(01:05:09):
Upcoming season, another show I was planning to do
A Paradise, watch along
but it cross overlap with the
Star Trek panel and I didn't see much on Social,
at least real time during
during the panel. But Dan Fogelman and
Sterling K. Brown did have their season two
(01:05:29):
panel at. At Comic Con. Also, Shelley Woodley.
Woodley, she also is going to be joining the cast. And
she, they, they did show some footage from the first
episode and we learned about her character and she's, she's,
she, she's in Graceland when all. When the world ends.
so that's little things from Paradise. of course we got
Peacemaker, the Peacemaker trailer. we.
(01:05:51):
I joined Adam from A plus Opinions
joined me and our lab review for that. If you want to
check it out here on our channel or you know, please, please
feel free to do so. And then last, just to
hit the start some Star Trek news again, we
did get a teaser for Strange New World Season 4. There's
going to be a Muppet episode. Jim Henson Company is
(01:06:11):
going to be helping to produce that little cute little
trailer that they dropped during Comic Con. there's
also a Con audio drama
that you know, one of the pivotal characters in the Star Trek
universe of Khan, Nuni and Singh. there's going to be an
audio drama I guess chronicling the time that
he had on seti, Alpha 5
(01:06:32):
and prior to the events of Star Trek to the Wrathicon.
And then of course there was a trailer for Starfleet Academy.
the new set is going to be coming up
next year. And then last we did.
There was a small Star wars panel, and we did
get some. We got our first look at Ezra Bridger,
who and for Ahsoka Season 2. So
(01:06:53):
those are just some real quick hits from, from Comic Con.
>> Sarah (01:06:58):
All right, awesome. Ah, please go and check out all
of that fun, because Will was gracious
enough to give up his Saturday to do all of that
and spend time with you all. So on that
note, Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find
you.
>> Will (01:07:14):
Yes, you can find me on all the socials at Will
and Polk W I L L M P O.
>> Sarah (01:07:19):
L K And you can find me there too at SJ Belmont S
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Podcast, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcast. Good night.
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