In this episode of Scene N Nerd, hosts Sarah Belmont and Will Polk dive into the penultimate episode of Gen V Season 2, Episode 7, titled "Hell Week." As the students at Godolkin University grapple with the complexities of loyalty and manipulation, Sarah and Will dissect the unexpected character dynamics between Cate and Marie. They explore the clever writing that highlights the insidious nature of their environment, while also pondering the implications of the choices made by the characters. 🌀
Shifting gears, the dynamic duo transitions to the highly anticipated return of Severance with Season 2, Episode 1, "Hello, Ms. Cobel." Mark finds himself navigating a changed workplace filled with new faces while grappling with his feelings for Helly and the mysteries surrounding Ms. Casey. The episode's unique perspective from the Innies provides a fresh take on the show's themes of identity and choice, leaving Sarah and Will eager to unravel the layers of this complex narrative. 🔍
Join Sarah and Will for an engaging discussion filled with insights, critiques, and plenty of laughs as they navigate the emotional landscapes of these captivating episodes!
0:00 Welcome and banter
5:42 Gen V Season 2, Episode 7 "Hell Week"
35:10 Severance Season 2, Episode 1 "Hello, Ms. Cobel"
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>> Will (00:00):
Foreign.
>> Sarah (00:11):
Greetings Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your
host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is
our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you doing
tonight. Will.
>> Will (00:17):
Doing very well, Sarah. Glad to be back on our
Monday night.
>> Sarah (00:21):
Yeah. Yeah, we were. We are back here and we have
two shows to talk about.
>> Will (00:28):
Yes, we do. Yes, we do. We are wrapping up Gen V.
I mean, I know it's the penultimate episode this
week, and, I know we're finally, finally going to
get around to starting Severance season two.
>> Sarah (00:39):
So, yeah, we had to go back and renew our, Apple
plus subscriptions to watch Severance. So, yeah,
so I, I did that and then I. And I watched the
shows, of course.
>> Will (00:54):
Y.
>> Sarah (00:55):
And yesterday, I. I know, the morning show is
already like five episodes in, so I contemplated.
And I was like, I'll just throw one on. It'll be
fine. I'm caught up. And he. So here's my thing
about the morning show. It's not my favorite. It's
(01:19):
also. It's not. It's easy for me to watch it. And
there are story lines that I like to follow and
there's storylines I could care less about. mainly
a lot of times, Bradley Reese Witherspoon
character. I. I don't care about her storylines
for. For some reason her character just annoys me.
(01:40):
So, so I. But I realized over the course of the
five episodes why, despite me not really liking a
lot of the characters.
>> Will (01:59):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (02:02):
but. But granted, sometimes not liking a character
makes them all the more entertaining.
>> Will (02:08):
Oh, yeah.
>> Sarah (02:08):
I think. I think what I enjoy about it the most is
the writer's abilities to bring. To have real
events that occurred while they were writing the
show occur, on the show and for the news room A
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and B to react to the breaking news. And so it's.
That it's. It's similar to, my feelings about the
Pit from earlier this year.
>> Will (02:43):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (02:44):
Like, yes, okay. The Pit is a lot less soap draw
me than. Than the morning show. But what I like
about the morning show is also what I. What I
believe is the greatest strength of the Pit. It's
a real workplace, environment, and it's a real
(03:06):
study on journalism and the ethics of journalism.
And I don't know if I've ever mentioned this on
the show over the last almost ten years, but, I
have my degree in broadcast journalism.
>> Will (03:20):
I know.
>> Sarah (03:21):
So I. So watching it, I kind of get envious. I'm
just like. Seems like so much fun. specifically in
the Control. The. The Control center, behind the
scenes. And it, and now that I think about it,
(03:43):
it's why I also liked or loved the show, the
Newsroom from back in the day, Aaron Sorkin's
show. So I, I mean, it's, it's funny. I, I, I will
end up watching the final five episodes. I don't
know if I'm just gonna wait and then binge them
(04:03):
like I did the first five, or I'll just pick up
week to week, who knows? There's a lot of stuff
Netflix is, is gonna kill me for the next few
weeks because it's dropping a lot of new things,
or second seasons of things like, like nobody
wants this. Season two is coming out this weekend,
(04:24):
so.
>> Will (04:25):
Okay.
>> Sarah (04:25):
Yeah, I can't have that spoiled.
>> Will (04:28):
Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. Yeah, I know there's
like a few, there's a few, like, documentaries and
a couple other things on Netflix that I want to
check out and, but yeah.
>> Sarah (04:38):
That is, will documentaries, like real serious
stuff. I'm talking about nobody wants it and a few
reality TV shows.
>> Will (04:48):
Or, you know. Yeah. Or, you know, if, if you, if
you missed, K Pop Demon Hunters, the, the first,
like, you know, time around, you can either catch
it on Netflix or it's going to be, I think it's
going to be in the theaters again Halloween
weekend, so.
>> Sarah (05:03):
Well, well, even if it wasn't going back in
theaters, you could have caught it on Netflix
still.
>> Will (05:08):
Yeah, but if you want to see it on the big screen.
>> Sarah (05:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
>> Will (05:12):
I say for, for folks who, you know, who missed out
the last time, you could do it if you missed the
last time. It's happening again.
>> Sarah (05:18):
I tracked, I tracked. I just didn't follow, like,
or you could watch it on Netflix. I'm like, no, I
don't think that's your point. But yeah, all
right, well, enough about that. We'll get to Apple
plus in a little bit. but first we have to talk.
Gen V season 2, episode 7 Hell Week. The Office of
Student Conduct Remain reminds all students that
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hazing is strictly forbidden. At God. You. This
includes using degrading names, forcing
embarrassing attire, or animal like treatment. I
get the synopsis, but what bothers me about this
week's synopsis is also why I'm like, I don't
(06:01):
think this, this episode should have been called
Hell Week because that was such a small point.
Like, it, it was just this little note. It was
probably the least entertaining part of this
entire EP episode. M. but I was, I was thinking
about this leading up to getting on the mics with
(06:24):
you, Will.
>> Will (06:25):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (06:28):
I have very similar feelings about this episode
that I did last week. And, and it's, and it's so,
so I'm a bit negative about it and just Because
overall, and we talked about this a little bit
last week. I, I appreciate when characters make
(06:51):
choices that are not predictable. So there was a
lot of predictableness.
>> Will (06:58):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (06:58):
But I want to start by talking about something
that I did not predict and I did see the Gen V
writing that I love.
>> Will (07:11):
Okay.
>> Sarah (07:11):
And that has to do with the d. The whole
conversation that was ongoing through most of the
episode between Kate and Marie.
And it's not that I expected Marie to heal Kate.
That's not, that's not. Or, or like her reasons
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for not wanting to. It was more about Kate's.
Kate's whole. Every now and then she would mention
something like, this is what, this is what they
do. This is how they control you. They boost you
up, they make. They say things. And what I found
(07:54):
so clever in the writing is we would have that
conversation between Kate and Marie where Kate is
really trying to say I was. I understand why
you're upset. I understand why you don't trust me,
but you don't get it. You don't get what the, how
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the manipulation that occurred to get me to that
point. And the irony is that is what we're seeing
occur with Marie because in the very next scene,
then you have Marie on the phone with Cypher and
Cypher starts saying exactly the things that Kate
(08:36):
was brainwashed with. And what. And, and it goes
back into last week about how we're saying
Godolkin and the top 1% and this hierarchy system
that occurs. And so I just, I thought that was
really. That's, that's what I thought was the most
(08:56):
unexpected thing that occurred in this episode for
me and where I, I really, I really like that
because we even got a little bit of that from
Polarity as well because it was really the three
of them through most of the episode. But I don't
know what your thoughts are on that.
>> Will (09:17):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, the whole
manipulation thing really, that, that really did
resonate, with me as well as far as the real
standout points in, in the episode because it, it
truly. All throughout the season we have, you
know, we have seen Cipher and of course, you know,
(09:40):
we, of course we did get the big reveal and all
that. And we'll. I know, we'll get into that some.
It went a little. We were on point, but, you know,
this is a little off, but not, not way off. But
the, the bigger point for me was that, in bringing
that up is just, you know, we saw the manipulation
as far as just, you know, for, you know, for the
(10:02):
ends of basically building Marie up and, and, you
know, maybe, you know, to, to get her to do what,
you know, basically do what she did. And we talked
about this last week. It's like, you know, where's
the adult in the room? And I think polarity was
trying to be that adult in the room and just
(10:23):
trying to like, steer them to, to, you know, steer
the kids and in the right direction. but Marie was
just, you know, I think you. To your point, that's
what's so insidious about this school and, and,
And Vault and, And Godolk and, and, and how they
can. How, you know, how powerful it is. And, and
(10:45):
it was. I really appreciated how Kate was. Was
really, you know, you know, she's like, look, I'm
exhibit A for how this, how all this works. You
know, how like, Shetty used me last time to get
back at Homelander and, and the supes, you know,
for, you know, killing my family on the plane, you
know, by not rescuing them. And, and, and, you
know, this time around it's, you know, clearly
(11:07):
getting Maurice built up so strong so that. Such
that she could heal. He'll cipher Godolkin. So it
was. Yeah, you know, I thought that was a very,
very important point, in, in the episode. And also
too, it just sort of like, you know, really
teeters on not only the manipulation, but also,
how these characters all have been dealing with
(11:29):
their own battles throughout the season, and, and
learning how to forgive themselves, for, you know,
any failings that they may have had. You know,
like, I look at Kate, she's like, yeah, I was
wrong. But, you know, I, you know, but, you know.
>> Sarah (11:49):
I have a question because. Well, I have two things
because I want to talk more about polarity
because. And I know. So I'll start there and then
we'll circle back to Kate. Yeah, Polarity. I don't
think. I don't. Because you brought up. He was
(12:09):
the. Trying to be the adult in the room. I don't
think he was trying to be the adult in the room. I
think that he was blinded by rage and revenge
because of Andre, and rightfully so. I mean, that
will all always overpower any desire to, albeit
(12:33):
kind of shield these other, kids, for lack of a
better terms, because I know they're young adults
technically. But so, so I think that he was he
also because even when he witnesses Marie turn on
(12:54):
her friends and use her powers on them, the very
thing she is vindicating Kate of, he, he does
look, look at her and says, you can't do this. You
can't do this. But then the moment she releases
them, it's like, all right, let's go back to what
we were doing. And it's just like, yeah. Well, do
(13:17):
you, do you not think that maybe this person.
Person is not in the best head space? Like maybe
she's being a bit too stubborn. But I think both
of them are kind of exhibit. Which is ironic
because Polarity. Another thing that happens to
him in this episode is he now has been healed by
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Marie. And, and I love that line that he says,
like, I've been sick for so long, I forgot what it
feels like to be healthy. I'm pretty sure that he,
he says that.
>> Will (13:53):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (13:53):
In the episode he does. Because I wonder if that
had not happened, if he would have then more, more
likely been like, no, we can't. But it was because
he was healed and he was put back together and he
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realized he could actually be a match for Cipher's
connection, that then he pushed his trips all in,
albeit like, come on, dummy, you can only do it
for yourself. Why? You kind of allowed multiple
brains to enter the room. And I'm just like, okay,
(14:36):
that was a mistake. But yeah, yeah, yeah. So I am,
Yeah, I, I, I think he, he, he definitely started
the season as the adult. But between Andre's death
and his own comp. Not his own issues with his
(15:00):
powers, it's kind of like that has been allowing
like. I don't know where I'm going with that, but.
>> Will (15:10):
Yeah. Well, I think one place where you can go
with that is, you know, like to your point, you're
bringing up the. What he felt like. I forgot what
it feels like to be healthy. I mean, that, that
hits on so many levels.
Because you know, one. Yeah. The physical aspect
of it, but also emotionally, I mean, he, he was,
you know, we've seen. When we first saw polarity
(15:31):
this season, he was a broken man. You know, he's
lost his son, he's lost all the notoriety. I mean,
he's, you know, you know, well, who, you know, who
gives a about all the other stuff? But I mean, he
lost his son and, and he was a broken man. And
then by Marie not only healing him, you know, but,
you know, of course she heals him. Physically. But
(15:51):
I think throughout, you know, as he, as he goes
back to the school and as he's trying to get to
the bottom of, you know, get to the answers as far
as what happened to Andrew.
I think he's also, he's also been healing as well.
And so now, I think now he. Both the emotional
scars and the physical scars are healed. You know,
(16:16):
you know healed at that moment. And now he's like,
okay then like to your point. Yeah. You know,
we'll distract Cypher while you go do, you know,
you go do your thing. And yeah, and so. Yeah, so I
think there, you know, so I think that that was
sort of the why that storyline in particular was
(16:39):
as far as the. A plot really did stand out.
>> Sarah (16:42):
Yeah, he, he definitely. It'll be interesting in
the finale with polarity because I feel as though
for his character, I wonder if the events in that
final sequence, makes him suddenly realize, yeah,
I'm, I'm healed and I'm healthy and I'm stronger
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than ever. So does that mean that I just let
history repeat itself? Because no, these aren't
his kids but these were friends of his, Andres,
and there is some protection. So is he going to
allow what happened to Andre to like these kids to
do the same? especially with the influence. So,
(17:28):
so, so we shall see. to go back to Kate.
>> Will (17:31):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (17:33):
how much do you believe her? Throughout the
episode? She makes a lot of different offers or
she, she presents her arguments like I swear I'm
never going to use my powers on any of you again.
And, and, and this is my thing. And we all know I
love Kate. I don't 100 trust her.
>> Will (17:57):
I still don't either.
>> Sarah (17:58):
Yeah, it's. And, and Marie even says it. It's just
like by healing you I will give you that power
back. And to allow. Which is ironic because of
what happens with Gul Dalkin. I get it. It's
complete foreshadowing, granted. This whole like
(18:20):
what episode? Around six episodes of foreshadowing
of that. but, but we know how powerful Kate was.
So as much as I, I know she needs to be fixed by
the end of the season, I kind of also don't know
what that does because we just got. Saw polarity
(18:43):
get fixed.
>> Will (18:45):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (18:45):
But power corrupts, so.
>> Will (18:49):
Yeah, yeah, it does. Yeah. I think that, and
that's where they were kind of, I think they were
kind of leaning into that.
>> Sarah (18:56):
Right.
>> Will (18:58):
Yeah, I mean that was, you know, the, the
increasingly behavior that we saw Marie have more
Ruthless more. You know, just, refusing to help
Kate. I mean, it's. You know, because m. Marie's
always been. We've seen her as an empathetic
figure in this show. I mean, she does, you know,
and that's. Especially when you can. You know, the
(19:20):
way they basically juxtapose her versus
Homelander.
>> Sarah (19:23):
Right.
>> Will (19:25):
so, you know, we know they're the only two stable
ones that came out of Odessa, so they really are,
like, making, you know, drop, you know, Whereas,
you know, to your point, yeah, we know Kate was a
villain last season. We saw what she did in the
Boys season four, you know, teaming up. Teaming up
with Homelander. So you're right. I mean, I. I can
(19:48):
understand where Marie is coming from as far as,
like. No, I, I, Just. Even words. Words are
worthless.
>> Sarah (19:54):
Yeah.
>> Will (19:54):
I need action.
>> Sarah (19:56):
Yeah. And it's really hard for action when you
don't have that power, you know, because it's kind
of like, well, this is a catch 22, because. To
show you, like, through action, you need to give
me the very thing that you don't want me to have
(20:17):
because you're afraid of what I'll do with it, you
know, so. So, yeah, it's. It's like with Marie,
she. She definitely. The thing about Marie is
she's had a lot of guilt with her parents. Right.
>> Will (20:38):
And.
>> Sarah (20:39):
And Annabeth. And we find out in this episode that
Annabeth had a premonition about what happened.
And so all these years, she's been dealing with
guilt as well, especially with her powers. And,
And Marie having gone through that situation,
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she's been forced to be so independent that I
think that's her biggest flaw, because she. She's
the one at the beginning who breaks herself out
of, What is that place called?
>> Will (21:19):
Elmira.
>> Sarah (21:20):
Elmyra. And then everyone is looking at her, like,
as being, oh, you're different because you're the
only one who could have done it. Andre died trying
to do it. And. And then. And then we start to see
this interest from Cypher, and it just gets like,
you're able to then suddenly bring back your own
(21:44):
sister to life. A part of me is also just like,
hey, guys, could you. Could you have, Could you
remember that one time when she kind of did that
in season one as well? I mean, it was not as
intense, but.
>> Will (22:01):
No, it wasn't. But she did. Yeah. But we did see
the healing. We saw the healing. Yeah. I mean,
that's what. That's what got Newman to, like. Oh,
okay. Yeah. And others to be like, oh, yeah, yeah,
right, yeah.
>> Sarah (22:12):
So. But it's also the, the, to see her so frail
after she heals people.
>> Will (22:25):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (22:26):
So. So then that starts to wonder because annabeth
also has this other premonition. Premonition in
this episode, that will foreshadow something to
happen in the finale. Because it did not occur in
this episode.
>> Will (22:41):
No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I mean, it was just
like. Was it. Yeah. Blood on her, you know, truly
blood on her hands and, you know, and, Because I
was wondering, especially when she was, going to
say, you know, going to heal, Golkin, if that. You
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know, I was like, okay, now when's it coming in?
When's it coming? You know, who's gonna, who's
gonna, who's gonna explode? I was like, okay. I
was just like, I thought especially given to your.
How they were, how they set up the fact that
Annabeth saw Marie, accidentally killing her
parents, prior to her getting her period. So, so,
(23:21):
yeah. So I have to give it to him. I know Kripke
was, like, frustrated by, like, everybody figuring
out what, you know, what. The true story, what
the. About the reveal. But I, I did think that
someone was going to get, especially given this
show, someone was going to get killed in that
room.
>> Sarah (23:39):
Oh, see, I did not.
>> Will (23:41):
Yeah, yeah, well. Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (23:44):
I, I don't know. for some reason, her premonition,
it's not as though a. I had it in my mind somebody
was gonna die first. For some reason, I did not
jump to that conclusion. I thought that, okay,
we're gonna see something and then realize that it
(24:05):
was completely taken out of context and blah,
blah. I don't know why. I, I, at no point, I had,
I had, I had no, There were no stakes for me in
this episode. The biggest stake was, are you gonna
heal Kate?
>> Will (24:24):
Well, sometimes, you know, and sometimes, you
know, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I mean,
we, we've gotten to this place. Yeah. We've gotten
to this place where we, you know, the, the Game of
Thrones and, you know, whatever of it all, where
the, the penultimate is like the big thing. And
then, you know, we just saw it last week with
Peacemaker. It was just like, the big thing was
episode seven and episode eight or whatever. It
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was kind of like, yeah, well.
>> Sarah (24:53):
See, and, and it, I will say, watching this
episode, it's also not in my mind, like, this is
penultimate. Something big is gonna happen. I
don't know why I, I just was taking the story for
what it is and just being annoyed that. Yeah.
Something you said at the beginning, we kind of
(25:13):
called, it. Yeah, we called it. Well, I, I'm not
even gonna say we kind of called it. Yeah. Okay.
There was a line where Cypher said, that's my
father. So we took that verbatim. It's not his
father. Do I think it should have been the father?
Yes. That would have made that so much more
interesting for all the points that I explained
(25:35):
three or four episodes ago. But yeah, we, we
still, it was pretty obvious what was going on.
And, and then the whole thing about the other
thing that I wish that they would have done is
have it been like, to fully take over that guy's
(25:56):
body as opposed to. No, I just need you to heal
my, my old body. It just, it just screams missed
opportunities.
>> Will (26:09):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (26:10):
And, and, and it also, also the actor who played
our original Cipher, for all puns and like, our
actual Cipher was doing such a good job that to
watch the final scene with Godolkin, I was like,
can we, we can't have another season with this
(26:31):
guy.
>> Will (26:36):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, we did get the, you
know, we did get him like, you know, killing the,
killing the pledge and stuff. So, you know, we did
see step one of the, of the calling of, of the
school. but I agree, I, I would have, I, I, I
would have preferred the, the full transference
over to, to the, actor who played, who played,
(27:00):
Cipher. You know, I guess we learned his name is
Doug. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doug from Blockbuster. So
I mean, he's been controlling for at least 20
years or so.
>> Sarah (27:12):
Yeah, yeah, it, for, for a long time. And it's
quite sad. I was also thinking they, they didn't
explain it. I don't know if they will explain, but
Doug, like, when he stabbed his hand, but he also
claimed, like, it's been bandaged for three
episodes or something like that, and he claims
(27:36):
like, it doesn't heal. And then when he was like,
when polarity was attacking him, like, I can heal.
Okay. Does that mean that Doug was at one point
injected with Gen V? Like, does he have a, like
some kind of no healing power? No, no, no.
>> Will (27:55):
Doug was just Doug, Doug was just a dude. He
basically, he was the unfortunate.
>> Sarah (27:59):
Yeah, but then why was he allowed. Explain the
stab to me.
>> Will (28:11):
That was. Oh, as far as, like, when, when.
>> Sarah (28:17):
When, when he stabbed himself to prove a point to
polarity.
>> Will (28:21):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (28:22):
Like, like, it's gonna take, like. And he didn't
even wince. And he, and it still. And then when
polarity pushes him out of a two story window.
>> Will (28:33):
Right, okay. Yeah. Like, you know, it's like
basically like what George just said. I mean,
when, when Cipher's in your head, the actual
person is, is pushed to the background. So Doug,
all these years, Doug was just pushed in the back.
So whenever Cipher just, you know, stabbed him,
you know, stabbed himself. Stabbed, you know,
(28:57):
himself in the hand, Doug didn't feel it because
Doug wasn't there. I mean, just, you know, as far
as just being a conscious entity.
>> Sarah (29:02):
And, and well, Doug did feel it. It's just that
Cipher Godolkin didn't because Godal hands in the
driver's seat. Okay, that makes sense.
>> Will (29:12):
So.
>> Sarah (29:13):
So, so. And that's why it was bandaged that entire
time.
>> Will (29:18):
Right?
>> Sarah (29:19):
I'm, I'm, I'm not gonna belabor this because I'm
not accepting anything.
>> Will (29:27):
Doug's just, Doug's just basically just. Look,
Doug is just a vessel and.
>> Sarah (29:31):
And I understand that. I understand that he's a
vessel.
>> Will (29:36):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (29:37):
Some of the cool things that occurred to Doug as a
vessel doesn't add up to me. And I'm gonna just
leave it at that. It's not gonna make sense to me.
>> Will (29:48):
That was why. Well, the last thing I'll say with
on that point is whenever he, you know, they, they
said whenever they were like, take cut off his
head or whatever, you know, that's why Cipher was
like, oh, yeah, you can do that, but I'll continue
to live on because, you know, yeah, Doug will be
dead, but I'll just find another host.
>> Sarah (30:05):
Yeah, like, like that makes sense. But some of the
actual physical stuff. Yeah, yeah, a little Lucy
Goosey Goosey.
>> Will (30:18):
it doesn't fit to our earlier theory.
>> Sarah (30:22):
Well, it's, it's not that it's, it doesn't need it
to make sense. I just needed to make sense to me.
I'm not, I'm not about cutting corners, guys.
>> Will (30:38):
Moving on.
>> Sarah (30:41):
Yeah, we're. Do you wanna. Because honestly I, I
said what I wanted to say about this episode.
>> Will (30:50):
Well, no, I think we hit the major points. I mean,
you know, one of the things I did talk about
forgiveness earlier, was. We did see, I think Sam
is, you know, getting back to his. I think he's
trying to make amends with, with everyone as well.
and I guess, you know, we do see, you know, we do.
We learn a little bit more about Sam's powers and
(31:12):
the whole. I did, I, I, I did like the sort of the
whole, you know, dick measuring contest between
Sam, and Jeff. It was this pretty bro. Greg.
Excuse me, Greg. Yeah, it was pretty funny. I
mean, as far as, you know, we always could depend
on, like, Emma's storyline to always have, have
the, you know, the lighter moments, in the
(31:32):
episode. But, But yeah, I mean, it was. It was,
you know, it was. It was different. Penultimate.
And, you know, we got set a lot of things up for
the table and definitely, like, leaned into, you
know, the question of whether or not Marie will
go, go Vic, go. Go villain or not. Or to our
(31:53):
earlier point, you know, really gets, you know, or
was she manipulated to, you know, to do all these
things and, you know, at the end of the day, she
will, you know, not. Not go. Go. Go down the dark
side, go down the dark path because they're
setting her up to be the foil for. For Homelander.
And of course, you know, Stan also was
manipulating her as well, so, you know, for his
(32:15):
own.
>> Sarah (32:15):
This can't be all about Homelander. Yeah, I'm just
gonna. I'm just gonna say it. Like, Homelander is
going to die in season five of the Boys. So if we
want Gen V to continue beyond, like, this. This
can't be. Let's set up Marie to do this thing
with, like,
>> Will (32:35):
So do you think. Do you think they're centered up
to be the replacement?
>> Sarah (32:39):
No.
>> Will (32:40):
Possibly. Oh, okay.
>> Sarah (32:41):
No, no, no, I don't. I don't think that at all.
When you said oil foil, like an adversary, I just.
Yeah, I don't. I don't think, like, like, she.
She's not gonna be. Be. She's very powerful, but,
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she's also testing her limits. And we're starting
to see. We've seen glimpses that, yeah, she can
bring people back to life, but to an extent, at
one point, if she's. She's gonna realize, like,
she's also going to start trading lives. You get
what I'm saying? So. So I. I think that. That they
(33:30):
are just pushing her. but I don't. I don't think
she's gonna replace us way too soon.
>> Will (33:38):
Okay.
>> Sarah (33:39):
Like. Like, no, there. There are plenty of other
in this.
>> Will (33:44):
Yeah, I know. Well, the reason. Yeah, I just. I
just. The reason why I just said that is, you
know, the. Whenever we were just discussing a few
minutes ago, I just thought would. Well, you said
too early and stuff and whatnot, I was like, oh,
you see, you think, you know, season five, you
know, once Homelander meets his ultimate demise,
(34:04):
which, you know, Are they like. And also when you
said they're continuing Gen V, I was like, you
know, who's going to be the next big. The big Bad.
So that's why. That's where my head went there.
That's all.
>> Sarah (34:14):
Yeah, she could be a, ah, villain on Gen V. She's
not going to be like New Homelander or the boys.
The boys is ending at season five, right? Yeah,
that's the last season. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. Anywho, So I know you explained to me how
I'm supposed to transition, but, so what do you
(34:35):
want me to do here?
>> Will (34:36):
Oh, you're doing it. Okay.
>> Sarah (34:39):
Okay. You just, you kind of freaking me out. When
we were first starting this show, it's like, well,
what does he want me to do?
>> Will (34:46):
Go ahead, I'll drop you. We are good. Let's go.
>> Sarah (34:50):
Okay. All right. Severance season two, episode
one. Hello, Mrs. Cobell. Or Ms. Cobell. Mark
returns to work. Under different circumstances,
secrets from the Audi work world come to light.
So, fun fact, embarrassing fact. I was totally
(35:13):
going to watch the previously on. And I
inadvertently skipped it. And so I did not watch
the previously on. Was I confused? No, because I
think this is one of the best episodes for a
television show with so much lore to
(35:38):
simultaneously remind the viewers about seeing
certain events, specifically in this case the
finale of season one, while also bringing.
Bringing. Not being an exposition dumps at all.
>> Will (35:55):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (35:56):
And just still everyone is confused as hell. But I
just, I don't know what it is about the show, but
I found it very easy to be like, yeah, I remember
that. Happy. I remember them talking about this. I
remember the wife. I re. I remember, the. The dark
(36:19):
hallway that leads to an elevator shaft with a
downward, arrow. Which is actually where, if my
memory serves correctly, as last time we saw Mrs.
Casey. Ms. Casey. so I, I, like this episode for
that reason. as a whole, I feel like this episode
(36:45):
because we have to meet the new team. We're very
much like Mark, where it's like this episode can
be divided into two. The new team portion and then
the band getting back together again portion.
That's the episode. But, I know you were trying to
(37:11):
re, watch season one before you watched season
two.
>> Will (37:15):
You did rip. Rewatched start to finish it. So.
Yeah. And you know, this show. I now remember
hearing about it. And, And so whenever we did turn
on our Apple TV subscriptions, or at least I did,
when we were, discussed in the studio earlier this
(37:37):
year, you know, I came I started. I started the
show then, and barely, you know, just had to zip
through it because I did the frost trying to get
it. Get it all. Get it all completed. And so I
definitely did a re. Watch this go just to get
ready for our discussions here. So I agree with
(37:57):
you. The. The The. The way that they started this
second season, where you know, just basically that
moment she's alive and. And it was. It was very.
You know, it was very well done the previous. I
did watch the previously on as well. but you know
(38:18):
I did hit the key critical points of. Of season
one and also just really got you back into this
world. And one of the things, I guess the thing
that stood out for me the most, in addition to the
points about like you said, setting up the new
gang and also re getting the band back together.
(38:42):
But also I think the biggest thing that stood out
to me when I was watching this first episode was
it was all told from the Innies perspective. There
was no Audi at all.
>> Sarah (38:56):
Yes. Yeah, I mean that. That is the same thing
that stuck out to me is we were. We were a. Any in
a trap cage at this point. because we're told five
months have passed since the events of season one.
Then again, take it with a grain of salt. Don't
(39:18):
know if that's true. Can't really determine. Mark
has returned to work yet all of the. The three
other cubicles all are. Have new faces and. And
his team is not there. And he's informed by
Melochek that he was the only one who wanted to
(39:41):
return to work. The others did not. Which makes
the second half of the episode that much more
interesting and even beyond because then the. The
Then like Mark pushes. Pushes the What do they
(40:04):
call it? What rebellion was it? what are they
called and known as the any.
>> Will (40:12):
Because it was. I know they were. The video. There
was the video that had Keanu Reeves like doing the
house.
>> Sarah (40:18):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Will (40:18):
The building.
Oh gosh, the. The mic. Oh, macro that uprising.
>> Sarah (40:25):
Yeah, the macro that uprising. Notoriety, which is
a big thing in Audi world. because the rules of
severed people are still a very political
controversial topic up there. The rights of
severed people. So, so he then pushes that and is
(40:49):
like if you want reform and then. Then bring me
back my team. And the next thing we know, his team
reappears and then they're all given the choice as
Innies to stay or go. And we. And we very quickly
see them all resolve to stay. But what was
interesting is to your Point m. The entire episode
(41:15):
is thrown. Shown through the. Any perspective. So
given what we believe to have occurred or are told
occurred with those three. And I'm talking about
Dilly, Dylan, Irving and Holly are they. They.
(41:38):
They experience like Mark, the outer world, but
also their. Their. Their outer world. like I.
>> Will (41:53):
Where.
>> Sarah (41:53):
Where I'm going with this is essentially how did
they even come back to begin with? Like what
strings were pulled to even get them to come back
and reappeared. So I would like that. That mystery
to be solved, within like the next nine episodes.
(42:14):
yeah, because I just. I just want to know not
necessarily why they chose to stay, like, to not
return, but more how they managed to, within the
blink of an eye, push all three of them back into
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the, severed floor.
>> Will (42:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was very, you know,
whatever, you know, because what. You know,
whenever they had the choice to, you know, and
while they were in the Lore Room, wherever, you
know, when they were showing that new onboarding
video and had. Had. Had the choice and you know,
(43:04):
at each, you know, I liked how they, you know, how
they paired, you know, paired the two all, you
know, the, the Dylan and Irvin off and then, you
know, as far as like, you know, Urban admits that
how he, you know, Saul is Audi pairing, painting,
you know, you know, with his.
>> Sarah (43:22):
With the. The elevator shaft.
>> Will (43:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the elevator shaft. And also how
Bert was, you know, with his partner. And you
know, it was. It was like. No, go ahead.
>> Sarah (43:35):
No, no, no, you brought up Bert for some reason. I
thought you were gonna mention Dylan. But the,
the. The pairing that occurs in like this sequence
is the same pairing that occurs in the final
episode of last season. So, so the, the pairings,
I thought were good just because of their
(43:58):
complicated relationships. but what I thought was
the most interesting with Dylan and Irving was
more of the. Is anybody gonna question Dylan about
what he saw? He saw his family.
>> Will (44:16):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (44:17):
And. And then that very thing is what Melich
manipulates to get him to stay and is like, now we
are going to have a family visitation for the
Innies. And then. Which even gets more complicated
when you think about the implications of what Mark
(44:41):
is dealing with, considering his feelings for
Holly are. Or helly heliar and his realization,
that Mrs. Casey or the Ms. Casey.
>> Will (44:54):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (44:55):
In Audi world was his. Is his wife. So like, like
that whole thing of, okay, I'm married as an Audi,
but as an innie, I love you, I have a family as an
Audi, but as an Innie, I'm Just a solo person. So
(45:16):
is that. Yeah, that, that is Very crafty writing.
>> Will (45:22):
That was, that was. I was, I was, I was so wrapped
around that, that, that whole moment in that it.
When he and Halle were Helly were talking you
know. You know that the whole conversation about
him learning that his Audi self had is she's alive
(45:43):
and, and, and their feelings and you know, and
then in particular how when they were all in the
room there together and how you know she learned
that she's an Indian in and and and she just
basically. Which was so. You know it was so
(46:04):
interesting when she just basically like lied to
them about what she experienced whenever they were
in the overtime period. and you're not sharing the
whole you know that she was. You know that she's
part of the family that owns this company and and,
(46:25):
and and and then she just basically you know. And,
and then the reason I was kind of like wow.
Especially given how hell bent she was on like
trying to quit the first season and, and now you
know she's choosing to stay in. But you know she
just sort of told us lie to let. Oh yeah, it was
(46:46):
just kind of boring. I just like this is at my
apartment you know, kind of thing. So that was
just like that, that was one. That was where I was
just like okay where is this going to go? And
what's. Why does she, why does she like not tell
them what she experienced whenever and who she,
who she is as a, as an Audi.
>> Sarah (47:06):
in that yeah I, I understood why she wouldn't. I
mean she is the enemy like and now as an Audi if
she was to tell them hey guys. So just let you
know when I was in when I was up top I realized
(47:28):
that I'm actually one of the people you guys hate.
So I'm part of the problem. And so I think that's
also why she stays is because when, when faced
with the outer world of who she is, where she
comes from, she would now now is like I felt I
(47:55):
don't belong out there. I, I like who I am in
here. I think that's why as an innie she would
choose to stay. And also yeah the whole thing with
Mark, I, I do believe her when, when she. Because
I think that The more I I think about this whole
(48:16):
dynamic of of what, what you just brought up with
her is okay if I'm right then she mainly wants to
help Mark find Casey as an innie. Because, because
he says early on in that conversation just so you
know, I never felt that way about Mrs. Casey. Ms.
(48:39):
Casey.
>> Will (48:40):
Yeah, that's true.
>> Sarah (48:41):
So if they find her and suddenly the idea that the
knowledge that as an Audi he is married to her
suddenly like. And then finding her again as an
innie. The like, that's the true test of, how he
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feels about heli. Because then, then it's the
reality. Then it's like, okay, well we're. Now,
now you can prove to me that you never had
feelings for her down here. Because I think also
what Heli could be doing is being like, I can only
be with him as if an innie.
(49:24):
And he can only be with me as an innie.
>> Will (49:27):
As an innie. Yeah.
>> Sarah (49:29):
Yeah. So.
>> Will (49:30):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (49:30):
But, but the, the Casey of it all is so
fascinating just because the whole implications
of. Because she. She's shown as alive in the outer
world. no, no, she's not. But we're, we just are
shown that photo. Right?
>> Will (49:51):
We're so we're showing the photo.
>> Sarah (49:53):
We're showing the photo. So the last time we see
Casey as an innie is the dark hallway M. Which for
all intents and purposes, my mind until proven
otherwise, indicates death.
>> Will (50:10):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (50:12):
And hell yeah.
>> Will (50:15):
Yeah, yeah, they definitely. Yeah, yeah. that,
that, that, that seems to be, that seems to be the
implication. it's that, especially, you know,
because, well, the whole wellness area is gone and
all that kind of stuff. Because I know. Because
that's the whole, you know, whenever we start the
episode. Yeah. When Mark. Yeah. He's just like
running down the labyrinth of all these halls and
it was just so, I mean it just, it's just from
(50:37):
just getting you back into the framework of the
show that with that start it was just like. Yeah,
I mean I, I felt like I was going down a spiral
with.
>> Sarah (50:50):
I felt like I was just watching Tom Cruise run.
>> Will (50:53):
Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I know
you would, but that's how I felt.
>> Sarah (50:59):
No, no, no, I, I'm. I'm kind of also agreeing with
you as well.
>> Will (51:03):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (51:05):
There was something else that I just thought of
and I completely, completely forgot.
>> Will (51:09):
About all the throttle as far as military.
>> Sarah (51:12):
No, no. or miss New team. And, and here, here's
another thing about. I like the structure of this
episode because if we think about it, the later
half of the episode with the Innies of our
(51:34):
original team and the contemplation to stay or go,
Dylan mentions something at, ah, the very like
towards the beginning of the returning and finding
out that they were all Replaced. And he says to
Mark about whatever happened to his new team. I
(51:54):
don't think you should feel bad for ending their
lives. I'm sure they deserved it. So with that
line is the implication that a, that team, now
that they are no longer there, they're, they're,
they're dead. Dead. Like, like. And, and does that
(52:15):
implication mean for innies as a whole? Innies can
only exist on the severed floor. So technically
speaking speaking, there is no stay or go. The
real choice that they were given was either you
can stay existing or you can go and be non
(52:38):
existent.
>> Will (52:41):
As. Yeah, I, I guess, I guess it becomes a And I'm
glad you brought that line up because does it,
does it mean a figurative death 40 or a little
different? Any, but you can go back to your, your
life as an Audi, like we saw with Burt.
>> Sarah (53:00):
Yeah. And, and, and what does that mean? Like to
be in to be in a severed person but not work on
that floor? Or, or like not go into that severed
workplace at all? Like, I, I don't know. It, it's,
(53:24):
yeah. It's why shows like this work.
>> Will (53:30):
Hm.
>> Sarah (53:30):
Because then you tap into the whole humanity and
morality and this is why we love science fiction.
>> Will (53:39):
Totally. This is exactly, exactly. Yeah.
>> Sarah (53:44):
Because in the bizarre circumstances you can
suddenly find like a grain of like, oh, thinking
about these higher level con concepts of what it
means to be a human and what it means to be alive
and what it means to die and, and all of that. so
(54:05):
yeah, I, I'm glad that we're talking about it. I
know we're late, but I, I, I did really like this
episode and and I'm excited. I'm not as eager as I
thought I would be to get to see like the next
episode, but I also know that we have it planned
(54:26):
out so I'm just taking it drop by drop.
>> Will (54:33):
Oh yeah, no, no, I mean this is a show that you
need you now. this is truly one where you do need
time to like process it because there's, to your
point, what you just said before, it really does
get into some metaphysical, philosophical. You
(54:53):
know. What? You know, you know, because it's
dystopian. It's, it's like, you know, it's
philosophical in a sense. Like, you know, what
does it mean? You know. You know, because one of
the things too is just like your identity and who
you are.
>> Sarah (55:07):
Yes, yes.
>> Will (55:08):
And, yeah. And, and you know, are you your career
or are you, are you more. I mean, it's just so
Many levels of the, of this show that you can just
peel back with it. So. Yeah, I'm just glad that
we, you know, it's the evergreen show, thankfully,
and I'm glad we're finally like, on, finally we're
finally able to, you know, to talk about it
because I know we didn't talk about season one
(55:28):
years ago, but I'm glad we're talking about. About
season two.
>> Sarah (55:31):
Okay. I. I'm slow, so. And you did say this to me
earlier and I mentioned follow up. What does an
evergreen show mean?
>> Will (55:42):
It means it's timeless.
>> Sarah (55:46):
Okay.
>> Will (55:46):
Yeah, I mean, it's basically. It's like no matter,
you know, this is like pine trees. This is like no
matter what. What season or. it's. It's just to
your point that you were just, you were just
sharing why this show, whether you're watching it
in 20 when it first came out or now, you know,
whenever you pick it up, it's always going to be
topical.
>> Sarah (56:08):
Yeah, I think it's. I think it's a bit premature
to call it an evergreen show. It only was
released. The second season only premiered in
January of this year. Not that late.
>> Will (56:25):
No, but, no, but, but one. You know, it wasn't
like season one was like this big. Like, you know,
oh, you must run, get out, go watch Apple. It was
like later on when it, it gained momentum over
time and you, you know, I mean, hell yeah. So.
>> Sarah (56:42):
Yeah, but I don't think it was like a cult classic
or anything. I think.
>> Will (56:45):
Oh, it was a couple. It was.
>> Sarah (56:47):
I don't think so.
>> Will (56:48):
I don't think it was. Yeah, it was a cult classic.
>> Sarah (56:51):
Okay.
>> Will (56:52):
I mean.
>> Sarah (56:53):
Yeah, I'm just gonna agree because he's just gonna
repeat it. Okay, well, let it.
>> Will (57:00):
Well, folks, if you're. Yeah. Let the, Let the,
Let the people speak. Is it. Was it an evergreen?
It was a cult classic or not. I think it was. But,
you don't. So we'll, we'll put it to a.
>> Sarah (57:12):
What. What's your definition of a cult classic?
>> Will (57:16):
I mean, I mean, because to me.
>> Sarah (57:20):
That implies it flopped and I don't think it
flopped. I heard about it from the time it was
released. And then.
>> Will (57:29):
Cult classic doesn't necessarily mean to flop. A
cult classic is. It's a very niche thing, but some
over time it, it grows because of word of mouth.
>> Sarah (57:40):
Right.
>> Will (57:42):
So,
>> Sarah (57:42):
Okay, we're gonna, gonna work on our shared
definitions moving forward.
>> Will (57:48):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the great thing about it.
I mean. Yeah. I mean, we'll probably come through
somewhere.
>> Sarah (57:53):
I shouldn't have brought it up. I should not. I
should have waited till post show to bring it up.
We were ending on such a lovely moment and I just
I had to make a comment and that has led a spiral.
So all I will say is on that note will want to
tell our listeners where they can find find you.
>> Will (58:12):
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Foreign.
>> Sarah (00:11):
Greetings Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your
host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is
our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you doing
tonight. Will.
>> Will (00:17):
Doing very well, Sarah. Glad to be back on our
Monday night.
>> Sarah (00:21):
Yeah. Yeah, we were. We are back here and we have
two shows to talk about.
>> Will (00:28):
Yes, we do. Yes, we do. We are wrapping up Gen V.
I mean, I know it's the penultimate episode this
week, and, I know we're finally, finally going to
get around to starting Severance season two.
>> Sarah (00:39):
So, yeah, we had to go back and renew our, Apple
plus subscriptions to watch Severance. So, yeah,
so I, I did that and then I. And I watched the
shows, of course.
>> Will (00:54):
Y.
>> Sarah (00:55):
And yesterday, I. I know, the morning show is
already like five episodes in, so I contemplated.
And I was like, I'll just throw one on. It'll be
fine. I'm caught up. And he. So here's my thing
about the morning show. It's not my favorite. It's
(01:19):
also. It's not. It's easy for me to watch it. And
there are story lines that I like to follow and
there's storylines I could care less about. mainly
a lot of times, Bradley Reese Witherspoon
character. I. I don't care about her storylines
for. For some reason her character just annoys me.
(01:40):
So, so I. But I realized over the course of the
five episodes why, despite me not really liking a
lot of the characters.
>> Will (01:59):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (02:02):
but. But granted, sometimes not liking a character
makes them all the more entertaining.
>> Will (02:08):
Oh, yeah.
>> Sarah (02:08):
I think. I think what I enjoy about it the most is
the writer's abilities to bring. To have real
events that occurred while they were writing the
show occur, on the show and for the news room A
(02:32):
and B to react to the breaking news. And so it's.
That it's. It's similar to, my feelings about the
Pit from earlier this year.
>> Will (02:43):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (02:44):
Like, yes, okay. The Pit is a lot less soap draw
me than. Than the morning show. But what I like
about the morning show is also what I. What I
believe is the greatest strength of the Pit. It's
a real workplace, environment, and it's a real
(03:06):
study on journalism and the ethics of journalism.
And I don't know if I've ever mentioned this on
the show over the last almost ten years, but, I
have my degree in broadcast journalism.
>> Will (03:20):
I know.
>> Sarah (03:21):
So I. So watching it, I kind of get envious. I'm
just like. Seems like so much fun. specifically in
the Control. The. The Control center, behind the
scenes. And it, and now that I think about it,
(03:43):
it's why I also liked or loved the show, the
Newsroom from back in the day, Aaron Sorkin's
show. So I, I mean, it's, it's funny. I, I, I will
end up watching the final five episodes. I don't
know if I'm just gonna wait and then binge them
(04:03):
like I did the first five, or I'll just pick up
week to week, who knows? There's a lot of stuff
Netflix is, is gonna kill me for the next few
weeks because it's dropping a lot of new things,
or second seasons of things like, like nobody
wants this. Season two is coming out this weekend,
(04:24):
so.
>> Will (04:25):
Okay.
>> Sarah (04:25):
Yeah, I can't have that spoiled.
>> Will (04:28):
Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. Yeah, I know there's
like a few, there's a few, like, documentaries and
a couple other things on Netflix that I want to
check out and, but yeah.
>> Sarah (04:38):
That is, will documentaries, like real serious
stuff. I'm talking about nobody wants it and a few
reality TV shows.
>> Will (04:48):
Or, you know. Yeah. Or, you know, if, if you, if
you missed, K Pop Demon Hunters, the, the first,
like, you know, time around, you can either catch
it on Netflix or it's going to be, I think it's
going to be in the theaters again Halloween
weekend, so.
>> Sarah (05:03):
Well, well, even if it wasn't going back in
theaters, you could have caught it on Netflix
still.
>> Will (05:08):
Yeah, but if you want to see it on the big screen.
>> Sarah (05:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
>> Will (05:12):
I say for, for folks who, you know, who missed out
the last time, you could do it if you missed the
last time. It's happening again.
>> Sarah (05:18):
I tracked, I tracked. I just didn't follow, like,
or you could watch it on Netflix. I'm like, no, I
don't think that's your point. But yeah, all
right, well, enough about that. We'll get to Apple
plus in a little bit. but first we have to talk.
Gen V season 2, episode 7 Hell Week. The Office of
Student Conduct Remain reminds all students that
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hazing is strictly forbidden. At God. You. This
includes using degrading names, forcing
embarrassing attire, or animal like treatment. I
get the synopsis, but what bothers me about this
week's synopsis is also why I'm like, I don't
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think this, this episode should have been called
Hell Week because that was such a small point.
Like, it, it was just this little note. It was
probably the least entertaining part of this
entire EP episode. M. but I was, I was thinking
about this leading up to getting on the mics with
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you, Will.
>> Will (06:25):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (06:28):
I have very similar feelings about this episode
that I did last week. And, and it's, and it's so,
so I'm a bit negative about it and just Because
overall, and we talked about this a little bit
last week. I, I appreciate when characters make
(06:51):
choices that are not predictable. So there was a
lot of predictableness.
>> Will (06:58):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (06:58):
But I want to start by talking about something
that I did not predict and I did see the Gen V
writing that I love.
>> Will (07:11):
Okay.
>> Sarah (07:11):
And that has to do with the d. The whole
conversation that was ongoing through most of the
episode between Kate and Marie.
And it's not that I expected Marie to heal Kate.
That's not, that's not. Or, or like her reasons
(07:32):
for not wanting to. It was more about Kate's.
Kate's whole. Every now and then she would mention
something like, this is what, this is what they
do. This is how they control you. They boost you
up, they make. They say things. And what I found
(07:54):
so clever in the writing is we would have that
conversation between Kate and Marie where Kate is
really trying to say I was. I understand why
you're upset. I understand why you don't trust me,
but you don't get it. You don't get what the, how
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the manipulation that occurred to get me to that
point. And the irony is that is what we're seeing
occur with Marie because in the very next scene,
then you have Marie on the phone with Cypher and
Cypher starts saying exactly the things that Kate
(08:36):
was brainwashed with. And what. And, and it goes
back into last week about how we're saying
Godolkin and the top 1% and this hierarchy system
that occurs. And so I just, I thought that was
really. That's, that's what I thought was the most
(08:56):
unexpected thing that occurred in this episode for
me and where I, I really, I really like that
because we even got a little bit of that from
Polarity as well because it was really the three
of them through most of the episode. But I don't
know what your thoughts are on that.
>> Will (09:17):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, the whole
manipulation thing really, that, that really did
resonate, with me as well as far as the real
standout points in, in the episode because it, it
truly. All throughout the season we have, you
know, we have seen Cipher and of course, you know,
(09:40):
we, of course we did get the big reveal and all
that. And we'll. I know, we'll get into that some.
It went a little. We were on point, but, you know,
this is a little off, but not, not way off. But
the, the bigger point for me was that, in bringing
that up is just, you know, we saw the manipulation
as far as just, you know, for, you know, for the
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ends of basically building Marie up and, and, you
know, maybe, you know, to, to get her to do what,
you know, basically do what she did. And we talked
about this last week. It's like, you know, where's
the adult in the room? And I think polarity was
trying to be that adult in the room and just
(10:23):
trying to like, steer them to, to, you know, steer
the kids and in the right direction. but Marie was
just, you know, I think you. To your point, that's
what's so insidious about this school and, and,
And Vault and, And Godolk and, and, and how they
can. How, you know, how powerful it is. And, and
(10:45):
it was. I really appreciated how Kate was. Was
really, you know, you know, she's like, look, I'm
exhibit A for how this, how all this works. You
know, how like, Shetty used me last time to get
back at Homelander and, and the supes, you know,
for, you know, killing my family on the plane, you
know, by not rescuing them. And, and, and, you
know, this time around it's, you know, clearly
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getting Maurice built up so strong so that. Such
that she could heal. He'll cipher Godolkin. So it
was. Yeah, you know, I thought that was a very,
very important point, in, in the episode. And also
too, it just sort of like, you know, really
teeters on not only the manipulation, but also,
how these characters all have been dealing with
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their own battles throughout the season, and, and
learning how to forgive themselves, for, you know,
any failings that they may have had. You know,
like, I look at Kate, she's like, yeah, I was
wrong. But, you know, I, you know, but, you know.
>> Sarah (11:49):
I have a question because. Well, I have two things
because I want to talk more about polarity
because. And I know. So I'll start there and then
we'll circle back to Kate. Yeah, Polarity. I don't
think. I don't. Because you brought up. He was
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the. Trying to be the adult in the room. I don't
think he was trying to be the adult in the room. I
think that he was blinded by rage and revenge
because of Andre, and rightfully so. I mean, that
will all always overpower any desire to, albeit
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kind of shield these other, kids, for lack of a
better terms, because I know they're young adults
technically. But so, so I think that he was he
also because even when he witnesses Marie turn on
(12:54):
her friends and use her powers on them, the very
thing she is vindicating Kate of, he, he does
look, look at her and says, you can't do this. You
can't do this. But then the moment she releases
them, it's like, all right, let's go back to what
we were doing. And it's just like, yeah. Well, do
(13:17):
you, do you not think that maybe this person.
Person is not in the best head space? Like maybe
she's being a bit too stubborn. But I think both
of them are kind of exhibit. Which is ironic
because Polarity. Another thing that happens to
him in this episode is he now has been healed by
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Marie. And, and I love that line that he says,
like, I've been sick for so long, I forgot what it
feels like to be healthy. I'm pretty sure that he,
he says that.
>> Will (13:53):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (13:53):
In the episode he does. Because I wonder if that
had not happened, if he would have then more, more
likely been like, no, we can't. But it was because
he was healed and he was put back together and he
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realized he could actually be a match for Cipher's
connection, that then he pushed his trips all in,
albeit like, come on, dummy, you can only do it
for yourself. Why? You kind of allowed multiple
brains to enter the room. And I'm just like, okay,
(14:36):
that was a mistake. But yeah, yeah, yeah. So I am,
Yeah, I, I, I think he, he, he definitely started
the season as the adult. But between Andre's death
and his own comp. Not his own issues with his
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powers, it's kind of like that has been allowing
like. I don't know where I'm going with that, but.
>> Will (15:10):
Yeah. Well, I think one place where you can go
with that is, you know, like to your point, you're
bringing up the. What he felt like. I forgot what
it feels like to be healthy. I mean, that, that
hits on so many levels.
Because you know, one. Yeah. The physical aspect
of it, but also emotionally, I mean, he, he was,
you know, we've seen. When we first saw polarity
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this season, he was a broken man. You know, he's
lost his son, he's lost all the notoriety. I mean,
he's, you know, you know, well, who, you know, who
gives a about all the other stuff? But I mean, he
lost his son and, and he was a broken man. And
then by Marie not only healing him, you know, but,
you know, of course she heals him. Physically. But
(15:51):
I think throughout, you know, as he, as he goes
back to the school and as he's trying to get to
the bottom of, you know, get to the answers as far
as what happened to Andrew.
I think he's also, he's also been healing as well.
And so now, I think now he. Both the emotional
scars and the physical scars are healed. You know,
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you know healed at that moment. And now he's like,
okay then like to your point. Yeah. You know,
we'll distract Cypher while you go do, you know,
you go do your thing. And yeah, and so. Yeah, so I
think there, you know, so I think that that was
sort of the why that storyline in particular was
(16:39):
as far as the. A plot really did stand out.
>> Sarah (16:42):
Yeah, he, he definitely. It'll be interesting in
the finale with polarity because I feel as though
for his character, I wonder if the events in that
final sequence, makes him suddenly realize, yeah,
I'm, I'm healed and I'm healthy and I'm stronger
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than ever. So does that mean that I just let
history repeat itself? Because no, these aren't
his kids but these were friends of his, Andres,
and there is some protection. So is he going to
allow what happened to Andre to like these kids to
do the same? especially with the influence. So,
(17:28):
so, so we shall see. to go back to Kate.
>> Will (17:31):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (17:33):
how much do you believe her? Throughout the
episode? She makes a lot of different offers or
she, she presents her arguments like I swear I'm
never going to use my powers on any of you again.
And, and, and this is my thing. And we all know I
love Kate. I don't 100 trust her.
>> Will (17:57):
I still don't either.
>> Sarah (17:58):
Yeah, it's. And, and Marie even says it. It's just
like by healing you I will give you that power
back. And to allow. Which is ironic because of
what happens with Gul Dalkin. I get it. It's
complete foreshadowing, granted. This whole like
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what episode? Around six episodes of foreshadowing
of that. but, but we know how powerful Kate was.
So as much as I, I know she needs to be fixed by
the end of the season, I kind of also don't know
what that does because we just got. Saw polarity
(18:43):
get fixed.
>> Will (18:45):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (18:45):
But power corrupts, so.
>> Will (18:49):
Yeah, yeah, it does. Yeah. I think that, and
that's where they were kind of, I think they were
kind of leaning into that.
>> Sarah (18:56):
Right.
>> Will (18:58):
Yeah, I mean that was, you know, the, the
increasingly behavior that we saw Marie have more
Ruthless more. You know, just, refusing to help
Kate. I mean, it's. You know, because m. Marie's
always been. We've seen her as an empathetic
figure in this show. I mean, she does, you know,
and that's. Especially when you can. You know, the
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way they basically juxtapose her versus
Homelander.
>> Sarah (19:23):
Right.
>> Will (19:25):
so, you know, we know they're the only two stable
ones that came out of Odessa, so they really are,
like, making, you know, drop, you know, Whereas,
you know, to your point, yeah, we know Kate was a
villain last season. We saw what she did in the
Boys season four, you know, teaming up. Teaming up
with Homelander. So you're right. I mean, I. I can
(19:48):
understand where Marie is coming from as far as,
like. No, I, I, Just. Even words. Words are
worthless.
>> Sarah (19:54):
Yeah.
>> Will (19:54):
I need action.
>> Sarah (19:56):
Yeah. And it's really hard for action when you
don't have that power, you know, because it's kind
of like, well, this is a catch 22, because. To
show you, like, through action, you need to give
me the very thing that you don't want me to have
(20:17):
because you're afraid of what I'll do with it, you
know, so. So, yeah, it's. It's like with Marie,
she. She definitely. The thing about Marie is
she's had a lot of guilt with her parents. Right.
>> Will (20:38):
And.
>> Sarah (20:39):
And Annabeth. And we find out in this episode that
Annabeth had a premonition about what happened.
And so all these years, she's been dealing with
guilt as well, especially with her powers. And,
And Marie having gone through that situation,
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she's been forced to be so independent that I
think that's her biggest flaw, because she. She's
the one at the beginning who breaks herself out
of, What is that place called?
>> Will (21:19):
Elmira.
>> Sarah (21:20):
Elmyra. And then everyone is looking at her, like,
as being, oh, you're different because you're the
only one who could have done it. Andre died trying
to do it. And. And then. And then we start to see
this interest from Cypher, and it just gets like,
you're able to then suddenly bring back your own
(21:44):
sister to life. A part of me is also just like,
hey, guys, could you. Could you have, Could you
remember that one time when she kind of did that
in season one as well? I mean, it was not as
intense, but.
>> Will (22:01):
No, it wasn't. But she did. Yeah. But we did see
the healing. We saw the healing. Yeah. I mean,
that's what. That's what got Newman to, like. Oh,
okay. Yeah. And others to be like, oh, yeah, yeah,
right, yeah.
>> Sarah (22:12):
So. But it's also the, the, to see her so frail
after she heals people.
>> Will (22:25):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (22:26):
So. So then that starts to wonder because annabeth
also has this other premonition. Premonition in
this episode, that will foreshadow something to
happen in the finale. Because it did not occur in
this episode.
>> Will (22:41):
No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I mean, it was just
like. Was it. Yeah. Blood on her, you know, truly
blood on her hands and, you know, and, Because I
was wondering, especially when she was, going to
say, you know, going to heal, Golkin, if that. You
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know, I was like, okay, now when's it coming in?
When's it coming? You know, who's gonna, who's
gonna, who's gonna explode? I was like, okay. I
was just like, I thought especially given to your.
How they were, how they set up the fact that
Annabeth saw Marie, accidentally killing her
parents, prior to her getting her period. So, so,
(23:21):
yeah. So I have to give it to him. I know Kripke
was, like, frustrated by, like, everybody figuring
out what, you know, what. The true story, what
the. About the reveal. But I, I did think that
someone was going to get, especially given this
show, someone was going to get killed in that
room.
>> Sarah (23:39):
Oh, see, I did not.
>> Will (23:41):
Yeah, yeah, well. Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (23:44):
I, I don't know. for some reason, her premonition,
it's not as though a. I had it in my mind somebody
was gonna die first. For some reason, I did not
jump to that conclusion. I thought that, okay,
we're gonna see something and then realize that it
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was completely taken out of context and blah,
blah. I don't know why. I, I, at no point, I had,
I had, I had no, There were no stakes for me in
this episode. The biggest stake was, are you gonna
heal Kate?
>> Will (24:24):
Well, sometimes, you know, and sometimes, you
know, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I mean,
we, we've gotten to this place. Yeah. We've gotten
to this place where we, you know, the, the Game of
Thrones and, you know, whatever of it all, where
the, the penultimate is like the big thing. And
then, you know, we just saw it last week with
Peacemaker. It was just like, the big thing was
episode seven and episode eight or whatever. It
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was kind of like, yeah, well.
>> Sarah (24:53):
See, and, and it, I will say, watching this
episode, it's also not in my mind, like, this is
penultimate. Something big is gonna happen. I
don't know why I, I just was taking the story for
what it is and just being annoyed that. Yeah.
Something you said at the beginning, we kind of
(25:13):
called, it. Yeah, we called it. Well, I, I'm not
even gonna say we kind of called it. Yeah. Okay.
There was a line where Cypher said, that's my
father. So we took that verbatim. It's not his
father. Do I think it should have been the father?
Yes. That would have made that so much more
interesting for all the points that I explained
(25:35):
three or four episodes ago. But yeah, we, we
still, it was pretty obvious what was going on.
And, and then the whole thing about the other
thing that I wish that they would have done is
have it been like, to fully take over that guy's
(25:56):
body as opposed to. No, I just need you to heal
my, my old body. It just, it just screams missed
opportunities.
>> Will (26:09):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (26:10):
And, and, and it also, also the actor who played
our original Cipher, for all puns and like, our
actual Cipher was doing such a good job that to
watch the final scene with Godolkin, I was like,
can we, we can't have another season with this
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guy.
>> Will (26:36):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, we did get the, you
know, we did get him like, you know, killing the,
killing the pledge and stuff. So, you know, we did
see step one of the, of the calling of, of the
school. but I agree, I, I would have, I, I, I
would have preferred the, the full transference
over to, to the, actor who played, who played,
(27:00):
Cipher. You know, I guess we learned his name is
Doug. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doug from Blockbuster. So
I mean, he's been controlling for at least 20
years or so.
>> Sarah (27:12):
Yeah, yeah, it, for, for a long time. And it's
quite sad. I was also thinking they, they didn't
explain it. I don't know if they will explain, but
Doug, like, when he stabbed his hand, but he also
claimed, like, it's been bandaged for three
episodes or something like that, and he claims
(27:36):
like, it doesn't heal. And then when he was like,
when polarity was attacking him, like, I can heal.
Okay. Does that mean that Doug was at one point
injected with Gen V? Like, does he have a, like
some kind of no healing power? No, no, no.
>> Will (27:55):
Doug was just Doug, Doug was just a dude. He
basically, he was the unfortunate.
>> Sarah (27:59):
Yeah, but then why was he allowed. Explain the
stab to me.
>> Will (28:11):
That was. Oh, as far as, like, when, when.
>> Sarah (28:17):
When, when he stabbed himself to prove a point to
polarity.
>> Will (28:21):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (28:22):
Like, like, it's gonna take, like. And he didn't
even wince. And he, and it still. And then when
polarity pushes him out of a two story window.
>> Will (28:33):
Right, okay. Yeah. Like, you know, it's like
basically like what George just said. I mean,
when, when Cipher's in your head, the actual
person is, is pushed to the background. So Doug,
all these years, Doug was just pushed in the back.
So whenever Cipher just, you know, stabbed him,
you know, stabbed himself. Stabbed, you know,
(28:57):
himself in the hand, Doug didn't feel it because
Doug wasn't there. I mean, just, you know, as far
as just being a conscious entity.
>> Sarah (29:02):
And, and well, Doug did feel it. It's just that
Cipher Godolkin didn't because Godal hands in the
driver's seat. Okay, that makes sense.
>> Will (29:12):
So.
>> Sarah (29:13):
So, so. And that's why it was bandaged that entire
time.
>> Will (29:18):
Right?
>> Sarah (29:19):
I'm, I'm, I'm not gonna belabor this because I'm
not accepting anything.
>> Will (29:27):
Doug's just, Doug's just basically just. Look,
Doug is just a vessel and.
>> Sarah (29:31):
And I understand that. I understand that he's a
vessel.
>> Will (29:36):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (29:37):
Some of the cool things that occurred to Doug as a
vessel doesn't add up to me. And I'm gonna just
leave it at that. It's not gonna make sense to me.
>> Will (29:48):
That was why. Well, the last thing I'll say with
on that point is whenever he, you know, they, they
said whenever they were like, take cut off his
head or whatever, you know, that's why Cipher was
like, oh, yeah, you can do that, but I'll continue
to live on because, you know, yeah, Doug will be
dead, but I'll just find another host.
>> Sarah (30:05):
Yeah, like, like that makes sense. But some of the
actual physical stuff. Yeah, yeah, a little Lucy
Goosey Goosey.
>> Will (30:18):
it doesn't fit to our earlier theory.
>> Sarah (30:22):
Well, it's, it's not that it's, it doesn't need it
to make sense. I just needed to make sense to me.
I'm not, I'm not about cutting corners, guys.
>> Will (30:38):
Moving on.
>> Sarah (30:41):
Yeah, we're. Do you wanna. Because honestly I, I
said what I wanted to say about this episode.
>> Will (30:50):
Well, no, I think we hit the major points. I mean,
you know, one of the things I did talk about
forgiveness earlier, was. We did see, I think Sam
is, you know, getting back to his. I think he's
trying to make amends with, with everyone as well.
and I guess, you know, we do see, you know, we do.
We learn a little bit more about Sam's powers and
(31:12):
the whole. I did, I, I, I did like the sort of the
whole, you know, dick measuring contest between
Sam, and Jeff. It was this pretty bro. Greg.
Excuse me, Greg. Yeah, it was pretty funny. I
mean, as far as, you know, we always could depend
on, like, Emma's storyline to always have, have
the, you know, the lighter moments, in the
(31:32):
episode. But, But yeah, I mean, it was. It was,
you know, it was. It was different. Penultimate.
And, you know, we got set a lot of things up for
the table and definitely, like, leaned into, you
know, the question of whether or not Marie will
go, go Vic, go. Go villain or not. Or to our
(31:53):
earlier point, you know, really gets, you know, or
was she manipulated to, you know, to do all these
things and, you know, at the end of the day, she
will, you know, not. Not go. Go. Go down the dark
side, go down the dark path because they're
setting her up to be the foil for. For Homelander.
And of course, you know, Stan also was
manipulating her as well, so, you know, for his
(32:15):
own.
>> Sarah (32:15):
This can't be all about Homelander. Yeah, I'm just
gonna. I'm just gonna say it. Like, Homelander is
going to die in season five of the Boys. So if we
want Gen V to continue beyond, like, this. This
can't be. Let's set up Marie to do this thing
with, like,
>> Will (32:35):
So do you think. Do you think they're centered up
to be the replacement?
>> Sarah (32:39):
No.
>> Will (32:40):
Possibly. Oh, okay.
>> Sarah (32:41):
No, no, no, I don't. I don't think that at all.
When you said oil foil, like an adversary, I just.
Yeah, I don't. I don't think, like, like, she.
She's not gonna be. Be. She's very powerful, but,
(33:06):
she's also testing her limits. And we're starting
to see. We've seen glimpses that, yeah, she can
bring people back to life, but to an extent, at
one point, if she's. She's gonna realize, like,
she's also going to start trading lives. You get
what I'm saying? So. So I. I think that. That they
(33:30):
are just pushing her. but I don't. I don't think
she's gonna replace us way too soon.
>> Will (33:38):
Okay.
>> Sarah (33:39):
Like. Like, no, there. There are plenty of other
in this.
>> Will (33:44):
Yeah, I know. Well, the reason. Yeah, I just. I
just. The reason why I just said that is, you
know, the. Whenever we were just discussing a few
minutes ago, I just thought would. Well, you said
too early and stuff and whatnot, I was like, oh,
you see, you think, you know, season five, you
know, once Homelander meets his ultimate demise,
(34:04):
which, you know, Are they like. And also when you
said they're continuing Gen V, I was like, you
know, who's going to be the next big. The big Bad.
So that's why. That's where my head went there.
That's all.
>> Sarah (34:14):
Yeah, she could be a, ah, villain on Gen V. She's
not going to be like New Homelander or the boys.
The boys is ending at season five, right? Yeah,
that's the last season. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. Anywho, So I know you explained to me how
I'm supposed to transition, but, so what do you
(34:35):
want me to do here?
>> Will (34:36):
Oh, you're doing it. Okay.
>> Sarah (34:39):
Okay. You just, you kind of freaking me out. When
we were first starting this show, it's like, well,
what does he want me to do?
>> Will (34:46):
Go ahead, I'll drop you. We are good. Let's go.
>> Sarah (34:50):
Okay. All right. Severance season two, episode
one. Hello, Mrs. Cobell. Or Ms. Cobell. Mark
returns to work. Under different circumstances,
secrets from the Audi work world come to light.
So, fun fact, embarrassing fact. I was totally
(35:13):
going to watch the previously on. And I
inadvertently skipped it. And so I did not watch
the previously on. Was I confused? No, because I
think this is one of the best episodes for a
television show with so much lore to
(35:38):
simultaneously remind the viewers about seeing
certain events, specifically in this case the
finale of season one, while also bringing.
Bringing. Not being an exposition dumps at all.
>> Will (35:55):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (35:56):
And just still everyone is confused as hell. But I
just, I don't know what it is about the show, but
I found it very easy to be like, yeah, I remember
that. Happy. I remember them talking about this. I
remember the wife. I re. I remember, the. The dark
(36:19):
hallway that leads to an elevator shaft with a
downward, arrow. Which is actually where, if my
memory serves correctly, as last time we saw Mrs.
Casey. Ms. Casey. so I, I, like this episode for
that reason. as a whole, I feel like this episode
(36:45):
because we have to meet the new team. We're very
much like Mark, where it's like this episode can
be divided into two. The new team portion and then
the band getting back together again portion.
That's the episode. But, I know you were trying to
(37:11):
re, watch season one before you watched season
two.
>> Will (37:15):
You did rip. Rewatched start to finish it. So.
Yeah. And you know, this show. I now remember
hearing about it. And, And so whenever we did turn
on our Apple TV subscriptions, or at least I did,
when we were, discussed in the studio earlier this
(37:37):
year, you know, I came I started. I started the
show then, and barely, you know, just had to zip
through it because I did the frost trying to get
it. Get it all. Get it all completed. And so I
definitely did a re. Watch this go just to get
ready for our discussions here. So I agree with
(37:57):
you. The. The The. The way that they started this
second season, where you know, just basically that
moment she's alive and. And it was. It was very.
You know, it was very well done the previous. I
did watch the previously on as well. but you know
(38:18):
I did hit the key critical points of. Of season
one and also just really got you back into this
world. And one of the things, I guess the thing
that stood out for me the most, in addition to the
points about like you said, setting up the new
gang and also re getting the band back together.
(38:42):
But also I think the biggest thing that stood out
to me when I was watching this first episode was
it was all told from the Innies perspective. There
was no Audi at all.
>> Sarah (38:56):
Yes. Yeah, I mean that. That is the same thing
that stuck out to me is we were. We were a. Any in
a trap cage at this point. because we're told five
months have passed since the events of season one.
Then again, take it with a grain of salt. Don't
(39:18):
know if that's true. Can't really determine. Mark
has returned to work yet all of the. The three
other cubicles all are. Have new faces and. And
his team is not there. And he's informed by
Melochek that he was the only one who wanted to
(39:41):
return to work. The others did not. Which makes
the second half of the episode that much more
interesting and even beyond because then the. The
Then like Mark pushes. Pushes the What do they
(40:04):
call it? What rebellion was it? what are they
called and known as the any.
>> Will (40:12):
Because it was. I know they were. The video. There
was the video that had Keanu Reeves like doing the
house.
>> Sarah (40:18):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Will (40:18):
The building.
Oh gosh, the. The mic. Oh, macro that uprising.
>> Sarah (40:25):
Yeah, the macro that uprising. Notoriety, which is
a big thing in Audi world. because the rules of
severed people are still a very political
controversial topic up there. The rights of
severed people. So, so he then pushes that and is
(40:49):
like if you want reform and then. Then bring me
back my team. And the next thing we know, his team
reappears and then they're all given the choice as
Innies to stay or go. And we. And we very quickly
see them all resolve to stay. But what was
interesting is to your Point m. The entire episode
(41:15):
is thrown. Shown through the. Any perspective. So
given what we believe to have occurred or are told
occurred with those three. And I'm talking about
Dilly, Dylan, Irving and Holly are they. They.
(41:38):
They experience like Mark, the outer world, but
also their. Their. Their outer world. like I.
>> Will (41:53):
Where.
>> Sarah (41:53):
Where I'm going with this is essentially how did
they even come back to begin with? Like what
strings were pulled to even get them to come back
and reappeared. So I would like that. That mystery
to be solved, within like the next nine episodes.
(42:14):
yeah, because I just. I just want to know not
necessarily why they chose to stay, like, to not
return, but more how they managed to, within the
blink of an eye, push all three of them back into
(42:37):
the, severed floor.
>> Will (42:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was very, you know,
whatever, you know, because what. You know,
whenever they had the choice to, you know, and
while they were in the Lore Room, wherever, you
know, when they were showing that new onboarding
video and had. Had. Had the choice and you know,
(43:04):
at each, you know, I liked how they, you know, how
they paired, you know, paired the two all, you
know, the, the Dylan and Irvin off and then, you
know, as far as like, you know, Urban admits that
how he, you know, Saul is Audi pairing, painting,
you know, you know, with his.
>> Sarah (43:22):
With the. The elevator shaft.
>> Will (43:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the elevator shaft. And also how
Bert was, you know, with his partner. And you
know, it was. It was like. No, go ahead.
>> Sarah (43:35):
No, no, no, you brought up Bert for some reason. I
thought you were gonna mention Dylan. But the,
the. The pairing that occurs in like this sequence
is the same pairing that occurs in the final
episode of last season. So, so the, the pairings,
I thought were good just because of their
(43:58):
complicated relationships. but what I thought was
the most interesting with Dylan and Irving was
more of the. Is anybody gonna question Dylan about
what he saw? He saw his family.
>> Will (44:16):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (44:17):
And. And then that very thing is what Melich
manipulates to get him to stay and is like, now we
are going to have a family visitation for the
Innies. And then. Which even gets more complicated
when you think about the implications of what Mark
(44:41):
is dealing with, considering his feelings for
Holly are. Or helly heliar and his realization,
that Mrs. Casey or the Ms. Casey.
>> Will (44:54):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (44:55):
In Audi world was his. Is his wife. So like, like
that whole thing of, okay, I'm married as an Audi,
but as an innie, I love you, I have a family as an
Audi, but as an Innie, I'm Just a solo person. So
(45:16):
is that. Yeah, that, that is Very crafty writing.
>> Will (45:22):
That was, that was. I was, I was, I was so wrapped
around that, that, that whole moment in that it.
When he and Halle were Helly were talking you
know. You know that the whole conversation about
him learning that his Audi self had is she's alive
(45:43):
and, and, and their feelings and you know, and
then in particular how when they were all in the
room there together and how you know she learned
that she's an Indian in and and and she just
basically. Which was so. You know it was so
(46:04):
interesting when she just basically like lied to
them about what she experienced whenever they were
in the overtime period. and you're not sharing the
whole you know that she was. You know that she's
part of the family that owns this company and and,
(46:25):
and and and then she just basically you know. And,
and then the reason I was kind of like wow.
Especially given how hell bent she was on like
trying to quit the first season and, and now you
know she's choosing to stay in. But you know she
just sort of told us lie to let. Oh yeah, it was
(46:46):
just kind of boring. I just like this is at my
apartment you know, kind of thing. So that was
just like that, that was one. That was where I was
just like okay where is this going to go? And
what's. Why does she, why does she like not tell
them what she experienced whenever and who she,
who she is as a, as an Audi.
>> Sarah (47:06):
in that yeah I, I understood why she wouldn't. I
mean she is the enemy like and now as an Audi if
she was to tell them hey guys. So just let you
know when I was in when I was up top I realized
(47:28):
that I'm actually one of the people you guys hate.
So I'm part of the problem. And so I think that's
also why she stays is because when, when faced
with the outer world of who she is, where she
comes from, she would now now is like I felt I
(47:55):
don't belong out there. I, I like who I am in
here. I think that's why as an innie she would
choose to stay. And also yeah the whole thing with
Mark, I, I do believe her when, when she. Because
I think that The more I I think about this whole
(48:16):
dynamic of of what, what you just brought up with
her is okay if I'm right then she mainly wants to
help Mark find Casey as an innie. Because, because
he says early on in that conversation just so you
know, I never felt that way about Mrs. Casey. Ms.
(48:39):
Casey.
>> Will (48:40):
Yeah, that's true.
>> Sarah (48:41):
So if they find her and suddenly the idea that the
knowledge that as an Audi he is married to her
suddenly like. And then finding her again as an
innie. The like, that's the true test of, how he
(49:02):
feels about heli. Because then, then it's the
reality. Then it's like, okay, well we're. Now,
now you can prove to me that you never had
feelings for her down here. Because I think also
what Heli could be doing is being like, I can only
be with him as if an innie.
(49:24):
And he can only be with me as an innie.
>> Will (49:27):
As an innie. Yeah.
>> Sarah (49:29):
Yeah. So.
>> Will (49:30):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (49:30):
But, but the, the Casey of it all is so
fascinating just because the whole implications
of. Because she. She's shown as alive in the outer
world. no, no, she's not. But we're, we just are
shown that photo. Right?
>> Will (49:51):
We're so we're showing the photo.
>> Sarah (49:53):
We're showing the photo. So the last time we see
Casey as an innie is the dark hallway M. Which for
all intents and purposes, my mind until proven
otherwise, indicates death.
>> Will (50:10):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (50:12):
And hell yeah.
>> Will (50:15):
Yeah, yeah, they definitely. Yeah, yeah. that,
that, that, that seems to be, that seems to be the
implication. it's that, especially, you know,
because, well, the whole wellness area is gone and
all that kind of stuff. Because I know. Because
that's the whole, you know, whenever we start the
episode. Yeah. When Mark. Yeah. He's just like
running down the labyrinth of all these halls and
it was just so, I mean it just, it's just from
(50:37):
just getting you back into the framework of the
show that with that start it was just like. Yeah,
I mean I, I felt like I was going down a spiral
with.
>> Sarah (50:50):
I felt like I was just watching Tom Cruise run.
>> Will (50:53):
Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I know
you would, but that's how I felt.
>> Sarah (50:59):
No, no, no, I, I'm. I'm kind of also agreeing with
you as well.
>> Will (51:03):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (51:05):
There was something else that I just thought of
and I completely, completely forgot.
>> Will (51:09):
About all the throttle as far as military.
>> Sarah (51:12):
No, no. or miss New team. And, and here, here's
another thing about. I like the structure of this
episode because if we think about it, the later
half of the episode with the Innies of our
(51:34):
original team and the contemplation to stay or go,
Dylan mentions something at, ah, the very like
towards the beginning of the returning and finding
out that they were all Replaced. And he says to
Mark about whatever happened to his new team. I
(51:54):
don't think you should feel bad for ending their
lives. I'm sure they deserved it. So with that
line is the implication that a, that team, now
that they are no longer there, they're, they're,
they're dead. Dead. Like, like. And, and does that
(52:15):
implication mean for innies as a whole? Innies can
only exist on the severed floor. So technically
speaking speaking, there is no stay or go. The
real choice that they were given was either you
can stay existing or you can go and be non
(52:38):
existent.
>> Will (52:41):
As. Yeah, I, I guess, I guess it becomes a And I'm
glad you brought that line up because does it,
does it mean a figurative death 40 or a little
different? Any, but you can go back to your, your
life as an Audi, like we saw with Burt.
>> Sarah (53:00):
Yeah. And, and, and what does that mean? Like to
be in to be in a severed person but not work on
that floor? Or, or like not go into that severed
workplace at all? Like, I, I don't know. It, it's,
(53:24):
yeah. It's why shows like this work.
>> Will (53:30):
Hm.
>> Sarah (53:30):
Because then you tap into the whole humanity and
morality and this is why we love science fiction.
>> Will (53:39):
Totally. This is exactly, exactly. Yeah.
>> Sarah (53:44):
Because in the bizarre circumstances you can
suddenly find like a grain of like, oh, thinking
about these higher level con concepts of what it
means to be a human and what it means to be alive
and what it means to die and, and all of that. so
(54:05):
yeah, I, I'm glad that we're talking about it. I
know we're late, but I, I, I did really like this
episode and and I'm excited. I'm not as eager as I
thought I would be to get to see like the next
episode, but I also know that we have it planned
(54:26):
out so I'm just taking it drop by drop.
>> Will (54:33):
Oh yeah, no, no, I mean this is a show that you
need you now. this is truly one where you do need
time to like process it because there's, to your
point, what you just said before, it really does
get into some metaphysical, philosophical. You
(54:53):
know. What? You know, you know, because it's
dystopian. It's, it's like, you know, it's
philosophical in a sense. Like, you know, what
does it mean? You know. You know, because one of
the things too is just like your identity and who
you are.
>> Sarah (55:07):
Yes, yes.
>> Will (55:08):
And, yeah. And, and you know, are you your career
or are you, are you more. I mean, it's just so
Many levels of the, of this show that you can just
peel back with it. So. Yeah, I'm just glad that
we, you know, it's the evergreen show, thankfully,
and I'm glad we're finally like, on, finally we're
finally able to, you know, to talk about it
because I know we didn't talk about season one
(55:28):
years ago, but I'm glad we're talking about. About
season two.
>> Sarah (55:31):
Okay. I. I'm slow, so. And you did say this to me
earlier and I mentioned follow up. What does an
evergreen show mean?
>> Will (55:42):
It means it's timeless.
>> Sarah (55:46):
Okay.
>> Will (55:46):
Yeah, I mean, it's basically. It's like no matter,
you know, this is like pine trees. This is like no
matter what. What season or. it's. It's just to
your point that you were just, you were just
sharing why this show, whether you're watching it
in 20 when it first came out or now, you know,
whenever you pick it up, it's always going to be
topical.
>> Sarah (56:08):
Yeah, I think it's. I think it's a bit premature
to call it an evergreen show. It only was
released. The second season only premiered in
January of this year. Not that late.
>> Will (56:25):
No, but, no, but, but one. You know, it wasn't
like season one was like this big. Like, you know,
oh, you must run, get out, go watch Apple. It was
like later on when it, it gained momentum over
time and you, you know, I mean, hell yeah. So.
>> Sarah (56:42):
Yeah, but I don't think it was like a cult classic
or anything. I think.
>> Will (56:45):
Oh, it was a couple. It was.
>> Sarah (56:47):
I don't think so.
>> Will (56:48):
I don't think it was. Yeah, it was a cult classic.
>> Sarah (56:51):
Okay.
>> Will (56:52):
I mean.
>> Sarah (56:53):
Yeah, I'm just gonna agree because he's just gonna
repeat it. Okay, well, let it.
>> Will (57:00):
Well, folks, if you're. Yeah. Let the, Let the,
Let the people speak. Is it. Was it an evergreen?
It was a cult classic or not. I think it was. But,
you don't. So we'll, we'll put it to a.
>> Sarah (57:12):
What. What's your definition of a cult classic?
>> Will (57:16):
I mean, I mean, because to me.
>> Sarah (57:20):
That implies it flopped and I don't think it
flopped. I heard about it from the time it was
released. And then.
>> Will (57:29):
Cult classic doesn't necessarily mean to flop. A
cult classic is. It's a very niche thing, but some
over time it, it grows because of word of mouth.
>> Sarah (57:40):
Right.
>> Will (57:42):
So,
>> Sarah (57:42):
Okay, we're gonna, gonna work on our shared
definitions moving forward.
>> Will (57:48):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the great thing about it.
I mean. Yeah. I mean, we'll probably come through
somewhere.
>> Sarah (57:53):
I shouldn't have brought it up. I should not. I
should have waited till post show to bring it up.
We were ending on such a lovely moment and I just
I had to make a comment and that has led a spiral.
So all I will say is on that note will want to
tell our listeners where they can find find you.
>> Will (58:12):
Yes you can find me wherever you get your socials
at Will and Polk W I L L M P.
>> Sarah (58:19):
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