February 14, 2025 • 65 mins
In this episode of Scene N Nerd, your favorite hosts Sarah Belmont and Will Polk take you on a ride through heartfelt reflections and pop culture chit-chat. Before talking about Paradise on Hulu and Invincible, they kick things off by shining a light on another Black History Month entertainment moment, with Will dropping some knowledge about the 1940 gem "Son of Ingagi," the first feature-length sci-fi/horror film featuring an all-Black cast. (0:00)
As we gear up for Valentine’s Day, our dynamic duo shifts gears to share their mixed bag of feelings about the Super Bowl. They dive into the trailers that popped up during the big game, like "Mission Impossible" and "Thunderbolts*." Get ready for some spicy takes on how these trailers shape our fan experiences! Plus some quick thoughts on Kendrick Lamarr's performance. (2:35)
Then, it’s time to get deep as they dissect the latest episode of "Paradise," titled "In the Places of Crowded Kings." Sarah and Will break down character dynamics, focusing on Cal’s emotional rollercoaster and the heavy themes of father-son relationships. They dig into the episode’s exploration of agency, memory, and the haunting vibes of Byron’s poem, "Darkness," which ties everything together in a beautifully tragic way. (8:40)
To wrap things up, our hosts jump into a lightning round discussion of the first three episodes of "Invincible" Season 3. They highlight character growth, the moral dilemmas Mark and Oliver face, and the clever storytelling that balances humor with some seriously darker themes. Buckle up! (41:15)
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Son of Ingagi (1940): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_gGnPqyxp4
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>> Sarah (00:00):
Greetings nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and
with me as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you doing
tonight, Will?
>> Will (00:07):
Doing very well, Sarah. Hope you're doing well and happy
early Valentine's Day.
>> Sarah (00:12):
Yeah. Tomorrow is Valentine's Day.
>> Will (00:14):
Yes, it is. Yes it is.
>> Sarah (00:16):
That is a day that happens once a year.
>> Will (00:19):
Exactly.
>> Sarah (00:23):
so do you want to start off with the Black History
Month spotlight?
>> Will (00:27):
Yeah, Yeah. I found like this
movie so I've been like, you know, I've been trying to like
stay clear of like the usual like of course
trying to stay in the genre but didn't want to do like all the top
five, you know, African American
actors or movies and sci fi,
or anything like that. So I was going
down the, down the rabbit hole as far as film history
(00:49):
and stuff and I found this movie from 1940
called Son of In Goddy
Igagi. And it was like apparently the
first like all black cast
and in a, in a motion picture in,
in 1940. I did actually watch it. If you go on
YouTube, I'll post it on our show notes so folks
can go check it out. But basically it sounds a little
(01:12):
bit like a film that I talked about last week with
that is starring IO, from the
bear.
The film's. The tagline is a
newlywed couple is visited by a strange old woman who
harbors a secret about the young girl's father. So it's, it's a
horror film but it's also in a sci fi
genre as well. So it's about an hour.
(01:33):
It's a fair use. It's all, it's posted on
YouTube. it's about an hour and a half long
and I, you know, I did watch it and it was pretty good actually.
I, I really did
really did enjoy it. And that is again like I
said, just based off of some of the film websites and stuff
that I've been looking around and stuff. I think it was the first film
that had an all black cast in 1940. So I guess they were
(01:55):
woke even back then.
>> Sarah (01:58):
Wow.
>> Will (01:59):
Yeah. Yeah. but good. Yeah. But I'll post it on
the show notes. So if anybody wants where I found it on YouTube.
So if you want to, want to go, anyone wants to go check it out, you can
do so. And but yeah, that, that was the that was
the profile for this week.
>> Sarah (02:14):
so I I didn't watch any of the Super
Bowl.
>> Will (02:20):
Well really as far as the game itself,
I mean, it was over, like, it was over the first
half. I mean, hell, even the first quarter, I mean, it was
a dismantling of, the Kansas City Chiefs by the Eagles.
They were just. It was just. The Chiefs
picked a bad day to have a bad day.
>> Sarah (02:37):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
that's what I've seen and everything that, like,
I, like, I didn't watch it live,
but I watched after the
fact, the halftime show, and I watched and
I've seen things. like suddenly my
for you page on TikTok is flooded with all of this
(02:57):
stuff about the. Either the
Phillies, K QB or the,
the cornerback or the, the
receiver. I think that's the position.
But, but yeah, so it's, it was a
funny change of pace, than what I'm
used to, but,
yeah, I don't, I don't really know how to talk about the Super
(03:19):
Bowl. Will, you're gonna have to help me out.
>> Will (03:22):
I mean, honestly, there were, there was there, There were some
trailers. I don't know if you watched the, the, Thunderbolts
trailer.
>> Sarah (03:28):
No, I'm, I'm sticking to
a one and done.
>> Will (03:33):
Okay.
>> Sarah (03:33):
Trailers. I'm like, I'm watching one
trailer. I might happen to catch
something, but, But I'm not, I'm not seeking out
more information about movies I'm gonna go see.
>> Will (03:45):
Yeah, I mean, I watched it. you know, I didn't even,
even that Even super bowl night. I was
like, yeah, still not feeling it. But,
but, yeah, but, you know, so there was that. It was also the Mission
Possible trailer, which, that one.
But the thing is about the Mission Impossible
is they, they had. And I know Tom
(04:06):
Cruise was showing the behind the scenes
of the stunt that he was doing on the biplane,
and the only. So, you know,
we, we talk about films giving too much away,
and you, know, I, I'm like, no,
why are you. I mean, I understand why he's doing
that one. And they always do have some surprise stunts in the film
(04:27):
that, that doesn't show up in the trailers. But I was just like, you
know, I, I, I was getting some vibes
of. I think it was Rogue Nation. It was one of the other films where he was,
like, off the side of a plane. but
this one definitely, felt definitely
a little bit more intimate, given it was a smaller plane.
so there was that one. And then, of course, the, the real, you know,
(04:47):
the big thing for that night was just, of course,
Kendrick's halftime show, which I watched a few times.
It's really good. I mean, it's like a blend of,
like, you know, it was style over style and substance
over just, you know, fluff. And, And also it's just
like, it was a master class of, like, how you can put
on a show where you're giving a
message, but also taking
(05:10):
a. Just basically, like, being. Taking
another shot at, like, Drake after the whole,
like, you know, it's just like.
Yeah, yeah. And because they had, like, the bars
come up with, like, you know, not like us.
And then he, like, nodded out the back a little bit, and then when it came
out, and then, like, of course, Serena doing the Crip walk
(05:30):
and. And everything about it was just,
It was. You know, it's. It's. It's truly. It was
truly, like, art as far as, like, a
show itself. I mean, you know, it wasn't like, you know, a
lot of super bowl halftime shows, you know, like.
Or just big spectacles, but this
one was, like, truly, like, a work of art. And
(05:52):
it's just like, oh, yeah, that's right. Kendrick does have, He is a
Pulitzer Prize winning artist,
so he put that full on
display, for everyone to see. But, yeah, but that.
Yeah, so that. Those are. Those are just my quick super bowl thoughts.
What's the game?
>> Sarah (06:06):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, the game did
look like it was, a game
with the defense, like, going nowhere.
But. And. And like I said before, I did watch
the halftime show. Did I understand everything?
No. No. Have I ever heard any of those songs?
Even the whole not like us? no, I've never
(06:27):
heard those songs. No, but I do.
From a.
What?
>> Will (06:33):
I said, I'm sure you've heard all the Stars, because that wasn't Black Panther.
>> Sarah (06:36):
Well, well, sure, sure. But, like,
yeah, yeah, sure.
Thank you for calling me out. But,
yeah, in my opinion, I. I.
>> Will (06:49):
Will say that I'm not like. Yeah, just a little. Yeah. It's not
like I have a deep knowledge of Kendrick's catalog either, so I'm not.
I'm not calling you out. there are a few songs where I was just like,
oh, yeah, this first time I've heard this. That's. That's a bop.
Okay. So don't. Don't feel bad.
>> Sarah (07:03):
I'm sure, like. Like, I. There
were some things that were familiar. I guess the. When I
say the word heard, I mean, like, actually sat down
and listened to and understood what was going on. No,
I haven't really heard any of it, and I
think Mainly the thing I wanted to just point out or
say is that despite all of
that from, I could see how it
(07:25):
was much more of a
story than in Super Ball
past, where like
use the word spectacle. And I don't know
if I, I would even describe it as that. It
just felt like a lot of the artists have taken
like that moment to do a
medley and make it more like
(07:48):
what they would do during a concert as
opposed to like
a different, a
different level of performance.
Yeah. But, we're gonna get out of this subject
because I'm clearly like going
nowhere on
(08:08):
this. and we're going to go into
paradise. Episode five
called in the Places of Crowded Kings.
the IMDb synopsis.
Xavier faces the consequences of his
investigation, forcing him to consider how to
proceed. Meanwhile, Cal's family history and
his last days are examined.
(08:29):
And that's the synopsis of the show.
>> Will (08:33):
Yeah, you know, actually for, for
once the IMDb pretty much
nailed the episode. I mean there was a
lot of depth, you know,
packed into that, two, those two sentences there.
>> Sarah (08:49):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, but you forget all of the
IMDb, synopsis that we read for the
boys season four. They have some really
good synopsis.
>> Will (08:58):
They did too. They did too. That's a fair point. That's a fair
point.
>> Sarah (09:01):
That's a fair one. And
I'm probably just saying that because they were also
the shortest synopsis ever.
They were like. Yeah, that, that's great.
It's in one sentence. You're summing up what happened,
but not really. yeah.
So what are your thoughts on this episode?
>> Will (09:22):
Yeah, so I, I was dialed into this
particular episode. You know, it really clearly moved
a lot of things forward. It answered
questions about Cal's last day and.
Poor guy, I mean, you know,
his last, his, his final days on earth were just,
it was, he
(09:44):
had a hard go. but, but also it was very
interesting too just to see the dynamics between
Cal's father, and, and, and, and
Cal and, and Bradford and
as far as his you know, honesty, his lack of
agency, that, you know, but, but, but over
the course of the episode, you know, I
think we, we definitely see him
(10:06):
found, find his footing and everything. So, you know,
so from before. So this week was where the Flash, you
know, both, I thought both the flashbacks and also
the present day stories did complement each other very.
And yeah, I just, like I said, it was
just really dialed in. And you know, in the use of
Byron's you know, poem,
(10:28):
there as far as, I can't remember the name of it right
now.
>> Sarah (10:31):
Darkness.
>> Will (10:32):
Darkness. Yeah. Really, you know,
really from the imagery from the. From the. Get
with, you know, with the Washington Monument there
underwater. And, And then of
course, they dial back and. And you know,
to the flashback. M. And then of course, at
the end, you know, it really answers some
questions as far as the cataclysm, but also,
(10:57):
raise some more questions about it as
well, which I think the, The.
The. You know, what. The, you know, in the. In the poem itself being about
how, you know, how
some unknown force like, you know, blacks
out the sun. You know, I thought. I thought that was just
a perfect, you know, not only from the visuals, but
(11:17):
also just the whole theme of the episode really, just
really complemented that.
>> Sarah (11:22):
Right, right.
I. I'm sure I've heard this poem in
other things, but, Because it sounded
familiar, but I, I'm. I don't
know it, in any way. But I, I really like the
opening and. And I do think that
the flashbacks carried this entire episode.
(11:43):
mainly because I felt
like, first of all, I
love seeing James Marsden play.
I just. I. I am
still mad that they killed.
We knew it. We knew it in the first episode when
we saw the flashbacks. It was like, how are we going to
(12:05):
go through this with Cal being stuck in the
flashbacks? It's just so hard.
but they. They ultimately carried it because,
the story, like James
Marston aside, this
episode was really about fathers and
sons and just
(12:26):
the dynamic not just between
Cal and his own father, but
also Jeremy and him.
And that was really done, executed really
well because the buildup
to the scene in
which we do
see the last conversation Cal ever
(12:48):
had with his father that night,
and he was trying
to get some resolution in this
idea of
is his father proud of him,
and everything that he's done.
And up until that point, we see
(13:08):
in the flashbacks, through their different
conversations, that
his father, even the way he spoke about
his son, it was always like.
Or him, but also like even Tiger
Woods. Like, it was the dad who
did a good job, not necessarily the son
who actually executed the stuff,
(13:31):
the plans of the father, but it was the
father who put forward the plans.
And therefore, all
glory should go to the father, not the
son. And then just to
have that, juxtaposed with
Jeremy and Jeremy's guilt
over the conversations he had
(13:53):
with his father leading up to his father's
death and then
being able to have that moment because,
Because Cain, is, is dealing
with dementia. He.
They are able to have this brilliant
moment of just. Just a
(14:15):
grandfather, and
a grandson, but also a father
son, where they're both able to say the
thing that they wanted. Want
to say the most to. Cal.
I love that scene. I made the whole entire
episode worth it.
>> Will (14:34):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (14:36):
Because. Because, I'm going to be
honest with you people,
this show is somewhat losing me.
It's not. It's just that
I still see where they're going and I'm not
sure I like it. Just like, I
don't know if this is right. I don't like
(14:57):
it. And
so I just.
It just bothers me, because they
keep. I like.
>> Will (15:08):
Okay.
>> Sarah (15:09):
And. And I just,
Yeah.
>> Will (15:12):
Yeah. What. What. What aspect is.
Is it losing you? Is it the. The killing off the
characters? Is it you feeling that the. The mystery
is a bit forced or.
>> Sarah (15:24):
Well, yeah, mysteries are both forced. I mean, we talked
about this a lot last week about Sinatra.
Okay. And. And again, in this episode,
they're. They're telegraphing, which makes me
think it's not Sinatra. But at the same
time, I'm like, what are we doing here?
Because, like, okay, so
Sinatra's behind the death.
(15:46):
Like, clearly Presley was
there, which I've already figured out.
Okay, we'll get into. I, want to get into
Presley because, Will, you can
believe me or you can not believe me, but I swear, swear
to God, as soon
as, like, this episode was playing out and
(16:06):
when Cain recognized her,
I had, like, this moment of, like,
going back to when I watched the pilot episode. And
I was thinking about during the opening
sequence when Xavier comes down
to breakfast and Presley's there. There was
this weird tension, and I had a moment where I was
(16:26):
like, okay, so Presley killed Callum.
Like, it's so. So.
But I was just like, there's something. And if you
remember there in that scene,
he mentions, hey, like, why is
Ties, Or Jay's bike still
out in the lawn and everything? There was a big deal. She rode
(16:47):
the bike. She rode the bike there because they
were doing the Wii tennis thing.
>> Will (16:54):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (16:54):
Remember? Yeah, so I do remember that. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. This is my theory. Like, that's why she was
there that night or happened to occur
there, because they were doing the. We.
Tennis between her. Ah,
Billy and, What's her name?
Jane. And Jane. So.
But also, remember, Billy gets
(17:17):
sick, too, because they kept mentioning the
soup. So I'm not saying it was Jane
who killed California. Not saying that.
Don't forget there's another Character.
There's a few other service people
who are seen in that first episode who could
have easily done it as well. But,
(17:38):
but, yeah, but somehow
in the killing, the safe gets
broken into, which I, I bet you
it was Cain like Cain broke into the safe because he
would be the only one who could. Right, right,
right. Well, you know, Jeremy.
But no, I don't think.
>> Will (17:57):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think it was Jeremy. I mean, I guess Kane would be able
to get in to the, into
the safe because. Let's see. I'm trying to remember. Yeah.
Because I know. Yeah. Cause yeah, he
would be the one in, in this episode.
He did. Now I don't know, was it a,
you know, Kane. I don't know if Kane was getting
(18:18):
Agent, Robinson,
mixed up with Presley or he
wasn't.
>> Sarah (18:26):
Yeah, because he said
says it at the end.
>> Will (18:30):
Yeah, that's right. That's right.
>> Sarah (18:32):
Yeah. Yeah. Like they, they do, they play
it in the they, they do a red
herring because they have the
sequence which, which honestly, for, for two
teenagers who are doing this little
romantic dance. I'm actually all
right. Jeremy and Presley
dynamic. yeah, yeah,
(18:55):
I think, I think it's very sweet and I can see
how it'll end in a bit of heartache, and
tension and everything. But so far it's
not, it's not annoying because they're
actually treated like, I wouldn't say
adults, but they're not treated like 10 year
olds either.
>> Will (19:13):
Exactly. Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah, they, they
have done a good job of writing, writing these, the two, the two characters. I
would agree.
>> Sarah (19:19):
Right, right, right. So, so Grandpa comes
in, accidentally interrupts the kiss
and then they play it like
he's confusing Jeremy for Cal and
Presley for Robinson. But then
later on when right around
the same time that they do the montage and you're like
(19:40):
some like Presley has a secret. Secret.
He, it dawns on him like. Yeah,
I remember her because I saw
her that night.
>> Will (19:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, I forgot, I
forgot the, the little month whenever she's looking under
the mattress and, and you know, with that
piece. So thanks for reminding me about that, that, that montage there at
the end. Yeah, because you're right. I, I, I, Yeah, I
think, you know, now that you mentioned it, I guess I did have that like,
ah, moment whenever that was. That was going on
(20:10):
real time when I was watching it too.
>> Sarah (20:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and
I, it, you know, I
kept looking back on these past few
episodes, there was A part of me was that
was thinking about how.
Why, like they've been in there
for three years, right?
>> Will (20:32):
Yeah, I guess it's been three, two years.
>> Sarah (20:34):
They've been in there for a bit. A fair amount. Years
we're talking. So. And
Jeremy and Presley like are very aware of
who each other are. So why
was it like that second episode
when she just randomly follows him into the
library or something like that was another
clue indicating like
(20:57):
she's also, there. I. Again, I'm not
saying personally killed Cal. I don't think that.
But she knows
something more and I think it might even go
beyond just the tablet.
>> Will (21:11):
Yeah. Yeah, I think. Yeah. I mean, she was
clearly somehow some way she.
She was able to procure that tablet that night.
>> Sarah (21:19):
Right. But then if you think about this.
Well, yeah, so. So
maybe it's just that she found the tablet
but didn't witness because it's
been a few days, a week at
least, if not more. So she, she
had to have run into. If she had
(21:39):
witnessed someone kill Cal,
she. She would have probably ran into that
person at this point. Right.
>> Will (21:48):
Yeah. That's a state. I mean, because the cameras are down.
So. Yeah, we do know someone.
I guess someone did come into
the,
>> Sarah (22:00):
What I'm saying is that since that night.
>> Will (22:03):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (22:04):
What there's been. I guess what I'm
trying to articulate is there's been
no scene between Presley and
someone else.
>> Will (22:14):
Oh, Gabriella.
>> Sarah (22:18):
Huh?
>> Will (22:19):
I said, yeah, you're right. There hasn't been a scene between Presley and somebody
else.
>> Sarah (22:23):
And yeah, that, that has. Or.
Or even really indicated
that. Oh, like she's afraid
of them.
You know, like.
>> Will (22:34):
Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah.
>> Sarah (22:36):
Yeah. This episode. Didn't she.
Didn't Jane come over and
like while they're exiting the funeral and then
Xavier tells, Presley to. I don't
know, but I just. I feel like
there would have been, bigger signs
if like. I guess really what I'm getting
at is I don't. She may have found the
(22:58):
tablet and she may have been there that
night, but I don't think she actually knows who
killed Cal because also remember she's
spending all this time with Jeremy, who clearly has a lot
of guilt. So how are you supposed to make moves
on someone when you know who killed your father?
Like, that's a bit messed up.
>> Will (23:18):
Yeah, yeah, no, I completely agree with you. I don't. Yes. You
know, whether the assailant actually, you know, in the. In their
haste and getting away Dropped the tablet and she was, you
know, she found it that night, and just took it back,
you know, and hit it. And yeah,
you, but you're right, there's no indication at least because
she's, she's had interactions with at least all the introduced
(23:39):
characters in some form. She's had interactions with everyone
at some it. Because at the carnival. Yeah,
because at the carnival she, she did. Yeah, she did see
Dr. Thabi.
So. Yeah. And you know, there was no
weird vibe or anything there other
than she was like, oh, glad Dad's moving on. You know. So,
(23:59):
so, yeah, so, yeah, I mean,
we, yeah.
>> Sarah (24:03):
So the, the, the person
who she g. Gave. Who
she appeared most afraid of is Cain.
But then again, we're supposed to believe
that it's because he saw her
that night.
>> Will (24:19):
Right.
>> Sarah (24:20):
And she hasn't told anybody else that she was there and
that she has the tablet. But
it could also be because in a
state, in his mental state,
he could have accidentally got
into a tussle with, with
Cal.
>> Will (24:39):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (24:39):
And yeah, like, like I could see that
happening as well based off of what
was shown in, in this episode.
But at the same time we got this freaking
Sinatra thing going on,
which I just,
there's something about it that bothers me because
in this episode, Robinson comes up to
(25:00):
Xavier and says the DNA from
the, from the crime scene never made
it to the lab.
>> Will (25:07):
Yep.
>> Sarah (25:09):
And I'm just sitting here like, okay. Uh-huh.
Like, I'm glad Xavier was like, no,
no, this is not, we're not doing this.
Okay? You can't come crawl into me now.
I don't trust you. Like, even though we
both don't trust her, I, that doesn't make me trust
you.
>> Will (25:28):
Exactly. Exactly. And, and I,
I, I can see where you're like,
feeling, feeling a little like,
less enamored with things because, you,
because it is, I, I guess the way
that they have woven into the
store, the story lines as far as
Samantha's, you
(25:50):
know, you know, treachery or whatever word you want to
use as far as, like, you know, keeping the lie. And,
and you know, of course now we, you know, we learn on
it whenever in this episode with the flashback, we learned
that, you know, you know, we get more con,
More background as far as Billy being this, you know, the assassin
to take out the, the expedition to, you know, to see if
(26:10):
people. If there were survivors from the, from the
cataclysm. So, you know, so,
so I get. For, for me, at least
they're they're definitely setting up, you know,
characters you should root for. Characters you are
like clear, you know, you're
supposed to like, not like. And. And then there's
like the wild cards, like Tarabi, who,
(26:33):
you know, was, you know, where. How is she going
to fall down with all this? Because, you know, she was
Kyle's therapist.
and we, you know, we did see a little bit of that session.
Of course, you know, she's hooked up with Xavier.
And then of course, you know, she was also Samantha's therapist, so
she could, you know, so she's
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all, you know, she, she's the wild card in all, all of
this.
>> Sarah (26:57):
And so, yeah, I don't, I don't feel like she
is. I, I feel like I view
her more as a hostage.
I. There is, there's.
There's something about her and what we
saw and her whole explanation for
what her place is as the architect of
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social, well, being in paradise,
that still, despite that
Samantha has her under her thumb.
So despite what she knows,
she. There's still fearfulness of
Samantha. And there's,
there's also like.
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I could say something down, but I'm not.
>> Will (27:42):
Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, say it. We're oral friends here.
>> Sarah (27:46):
I, I don't know if she, if she
really wants to go see who else made it
alive. Because my opinion, I know
Xavier's wife's still alive and that means she can't have her
happy ending with.
I don't know, there's. There's some
weird. I, I've got like.
I, I know that, the writers want me
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to like Dr. Thorabe. I don't like her. I haven't
liked her since that whole sex session.
I. There, there's something about the way that played off
that rubbed me in the wrong way. And I'm like, nope, I can't.
She's a pick me girl and I can't get into it.
No, well, I've written her off.
Samantha. See,
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I don't find her treacherous. I don't, I
don't like the word. To use the words treachery
or villainous about her. Even
though she killed Billy and she killed those
people because she.
I think they're doing a good job about
making sure we understand her motivations.
Because there's a line in this episode
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and we hear in the recordings that
are about that where she says
like, no, they have to die
or you can't bring this person back with
you.
>> Will (29:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (29:08):
Who knows who will follow and most
importantly, no one
knows. So if people are alive on the
surface level, and I never thought about this until this line was
said, no one knows where they are.
>> Will (29:21):
Right.
>> Sarah (29:22):
Which is huge. Like,
so, so they're, so there are,
survivors, but it's not like they're,
they're looking. They don't even know who to look for for,
because their assumption is people are
dead. Now, Xavier's wife, on the other hand,
she's probably doing her research. She's scientist.
Okay.
>> Will (29:43):
Well, I mean, I think, you know, and we've, and we theorized about this
and talked about this before, like, there,
there could be other paradises out there,
as you know that I don't. You know, this may not be just
a. Yeah, you know, they, you know, maybe
they, whether Kane and, and, and, And Brett
and President Bradford, like, built some redundant
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centers, like if they couldn't make it to Colorado or,
you know, or, you know what the k. Or other governments around the
world have their own things because, you know, especially when you think about
that, you know, when you think about the conference where,
Kyle and, and Sinatra, you know, when they
first meet. So. Yeah,
so. And you know, and also Kane clearly, you
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know, Kane is clearly a very,
rich man that has a lot of influence. So I can't see, you know,
while he was in his good mind, he was probably, you know, he,
he probably has some contingency plans
for, for other, like, places too, for, for people to
go.
>> Sarah (30:38):
So maybe I, I, I did, like,
and I appreciated that they made it clear that
technically this wasn't Samantha's idea.
>> Will (30:47):
Right?
>> Sarah (30:48):
Yeah, it was Kane. It was
Kane's paradise for
his family, for his son,
Grandson. And I was like, yeah,
but now you're in a state of dementia.
>> Will (31:01):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (31:02):
Talking about putting the child locks on,
there was just something so interesting about that.
But he, at the end of the day, he never had a
daughter. But
I hope we get a backstory,
a flashback episode featuring him
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and his, his
relationship that evolves with Samantha.
>> Will (31:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (31:31):
There's a, there's a reason why he chose her.
There's a reason why, like, it always
felt like he knew her
better than even Cal did.
So.
>> Will (31:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that's clear the case.
Especially given that, you know, when he, whenever
Kyle does go and gets the tablet out and,
you know, you know, he realizes he doesn't have the clearance to, like, get
to those secret files. But then, you know, then he,
you know, I think to your point, they, they, they
established that in this episode. That, that Kane and
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Samantha were,
you know, had. Had had this strong relationship
there. because, you know, as Kyle was starting to put the pieces together,
he was, you know, as he was gaining his
agency, he need to go to his dad to like,
let me try to see if his palm will open this
up. And it clearly did. So.
>> Sarah (32:25):
Yeah. Yeah, he was smart enough to know that
like my, my fingerprint won't work,
but my dad's would.
>> Will (32:32):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (32:34):
Which is so annoying.
>> Will (32:36):
well, I think it just really reinforces the, you know, like you were
saying at the beginning. It's just.
>> Sarah (32:40):
Oh, I know why they did it. I wasn't saying like
annoying like that way. It was just. Yeah,
it's more for. From the character perspective
and annoyance of like. Really?
>> Will (32:50):
Yeah, yeah. And the other thing.
>> Sarah (32:53):
Oh, go ahead, go ahead.
>> Will (32:55):
No, I was gonna say another thing too about. With the.
With. With Samantha and ordering
Billy to. To kill. Kill, her two, things.
One, you know, I think it could be a,
you know, scarcity of resources because, you know, they did plan
this community for 25, 000 people and
did get out, did learn about this place
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then. you know, it goes to my
second point which is, you know, when Mikael and
Robinson were there in, in bed
together and talking, talking about weapons and
stuff gets to,
you know, again, making sure that they did
have, gun. You know, guns and stuff so they could
defend themselves if somehow people did find out about it and they had
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to like fight folks off.
>> Sarah (33:40):
But yeah, I, I love
that lie. You really think all of these
people who are like filthy rich
like left themselves defenseless down here?
It's kind of like, yeah. What kind of Kool Aid
was giving back?
What kind of delusional stuff do you
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guys think or have thought for the last three years
that was going on? I really like that.
You know, so
the one other thing that I want to.
I want to bring up is,
the writing on the
number on the cigarette.
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Because we still don't know because even though we
watch it, we still don't know exactly what it is.
I'm going to throw out a wild thing, a
wild area here right now because
the first time that we really look at the
cigarette with the number like Xavier
examining, it's. There's cut scenes
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with the, the airport, the
airplane hangar and everything. And
then we get the flashbacks with his father
and being a pilot. Pilot
and they go to Air Force One.
I wonder if that's the.
The then the the call number or
whatever for Air Force One.
>> Will (35:03):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (35:04):
I mean I think there's something
Cal hid on that plane
because in this episode they kept flashing
back to Jeremy hanging out on what
appeared to be Air Force One.
>> Will (35:18):
Yeah, yeah, he was in. Yeah, he was definitely in Air Force One in
the hangar. And you're right, they did cut back to it. And
the first time that we do get those whenever
Xavier does look at the numbers on the
cigarette, and then we see. Yeah. And
yeah, I think it definitely is tied to it. I don't know if it's a
co. You know, a code to
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maybe. Maybe the mix the mixtape that
that together.
>> Sarah (35:43):
Right. The
mixtape is all of the recordings
that was to, to. To release.
Release that information and let everyone know
about that lie. that we as
viewers already know about.
I think that's what's really also annoying to me.
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I don't like we're watching
other characters learn about this lie,
but we as a viewer already know what it is.
>> Will (36:15):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (36:16):
Like as soon as he said sniper, I'm like, oh, I see
where this is going. Yep. Yeah, I
understand this. Right. I shouldn't.
>> Will (36:25):
Yeah, yeah. I mean for me
it's not, it's not bothering me so much
as it is for you, but I
understand where you're coming from.
>> Sarah (36:35):
Yeah. the other number it could be
is the flight
plane number for the
plane that Xavier's wife
was like sent m.
So and she might have gone onto that
plane and as you were saying, might have been
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sent to not their paradise but
a a A
different paradise.
>> Will (37:03):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (37:04):
Point. I don't know.
>> Will (37:07):
yeah, I'm just trying to think of what else that number because, Because I
know, I know Kyle told
robust in the code so to
where the weapons are stored. So, so it's
not that. Because I think that. I think he said it was like a four
digit, you know, code or whatever. So I was like, well that rules that
out. But you know, but it clearly
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is whatever. you know, I'm just trying to
think of like all the various clues that he,
he was trying to leave behind that he was going to share with
Jeremy. And and even it was wanting to talk to
calm it to Xavier that, that last night. but
of course Xavier wasn't in a place still. Their
relationship at that point was just so strained that
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he just wasn't going to be receptive to it.
>> Sarah (37:50):
Right, right. Well that clue
in particular was for. Meant for Xavier.
>> Will (37:55):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (37:57):
So. And, and, and arguably we still
don't really even understand why the
cigarette. Like, that's a very
weird. So, so we're gonna get a flashback
explaining that more. But. Yeah, all right.
>> Will (38:10):
Yeah, we'll get a flashback for that. And then the only other thing
is, I know they said that
Cal, was, it was blunt force.
You know, I did, you know, I did have the
moment where I was just like, you know, maybe,
maybe he did. Maybe by some chance he, you know, since
he was, he committed suicide.
>> Sarah (38:29):
I mean, yes.
>> Will (38:30):
Is within the realm of possibility. Because the other thing too is.
Yeah. The, you know, the, the entrance and stuff to
the, to the balcony and stuff was open, but that could have been Presley, like,
running out of there.
>> Sarah (38:40):
Yeah, I've, I've had, I had the same thought at,
different points. Even before this episode. I've had that
thought when they were talking about the wounds. I'm like, well,
it could have just been an accident.
>> Will (38:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (38:54):
And then, but then it's, it's
that whole mystery, which, which this is a sad
thing about Cal and the whole mystery about the murder. It's like,
it's not really about the mystery of who murdered him. It's like,
who has the tablet? And now it's what,
how, why does, how did
Presley get it? Like, how did it
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escape from the vault, end
up? but then again,
Cal could have easily taken it out
of the vault. I felt like he did have
it.
>> Will (39:26):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (39:27):
In one of those scenes. And never put it back
in.
>> Will (39:30):
That's, that, that's, that's, you know what I think? Yeah. Because
didn't he take it back out when. Because he,
because he wrote on the cigarette and stuff. Right. But that was
that night that he died.
>> Sarah (39:41):
Right.
>> Will (39:42):
So it could have just been out. Out.
Anyway. so. Yeah.
>> Sarah (39:47):
Yeah. All right, well, that is
a wrap on paradise, episode
five. We will be talking about the next
episode next week. and before
we go, we're gonna break down three episodes of
Invincible. And by Breakdown, I mean just talk very
fast about them.
>> Will (40:07):
Lightning round.
>> Sarah (40:10):
And will get to start
as I try to remember what happened in these
episodes.
>> Will (40:17):
Yeah. So Invincible, season three. I
will say that I, it's nice that, that,
we didn't, have like a, a long
period, between, between seasons this time.
But, but also I felt like this. I, I,
these first three episodes for me were
very entertaining to the place where, you know, we talked
about the show being a, a good show to
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binge and I,
I, I had the four. I had to actually, I really got
dialed into it again. I think the first episode was really good
as far as just sort of. Sort of setting up
the setting, up the season. You know, we
really. I think you really are
exploring in these three episodes. Mark
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really, trying not only to, you know,
keep up, you know, keep himself from becoming,
Nolan 2.0, but also,
also trying to teach the same lessons to Oliver.
And as well, especially as we see
Oliver's abilities, really come
into fruition, a lot sooner
than Mark said. 1. Part of. Part of it is
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Oliver's, you know, accelerated growth.
>> Sarah (41:25):
Yeah.
>> Will (41:26):
But two, But also, you know, it's those.
Those teachable moments that, Mark was
really, you know, had. Had, you know,
before Nolan turned crazy, or just,
you know, came, you know, went all his killing
sprees and all that kind of stuff. you know, Mark trying
to impart those lessons that he, you know, that.
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That he learned, to Oliver as far as not killing
and that kind of thing. And. And Oliver, like, pushing back and be
like, well, yeah, but you killed. So.
So there's that.
>> Sarah (41:56):
I am. I am m. So glad that
Oliver said that, because I was thinking the same thing. I was like, but
you killed. And I think. I think
that that is what stood out to me.
Well, two things stood out to me in these three episodes.
and I'm. I'm glad we waited almost a
year to finish watching the.
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The second season,
because I think if we had
waited a year to watch the third season, this wouldn't be
as relevant. but it was. It was
to have that. That. That moment at the end of
season two where he. Mark,
does make the decision.
Like, all the excuses aside, at the end of the
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day, it was a decision to kill
Armstrong. Armstrong,
and. And he can
still play hero, but at the end of the day,
he did murder someone. And so they're
coming at it from two different angles. And that
I think are working well and that I was not expecting. They're
coming at it from the. Oliver
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who shares, the same DNA,
also part vulture mite, and all of
that fear of becoming that
kind of quote unquote, hero or
savior for Earth
versus. Versus,
Cecilia, who
over these three episodes in particular,
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from. From starting with the first episode,
he. He brings back
reformed villains to
add to the team, which.
Which really, oddly
enough, Mark is like, no, no,
they know these are the bad guys.
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They've. But Cecil is like, no, they've refused,
formed. And you really understand
Cecil's whole perspective on.
On the. The ability for people to
change through that
second Episode.
>> Will (44:01):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (44:02):
and. And we'll get more into that in a moment. But
I think that
it's such like to have those two
perspectives coincide with
Mark trying to figure
out his own feelings about
his action. it's like. It's like
almost you got the devil and the angel on your
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shoulders from the extent, like,
you. You. You want
to, You want to tell yourself that you made
it, you did the right thing,
but so do all of these other
people who you beat up and who you
kill and who kill. Not
kill, but who you throw into jail.
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So they were trying to do the right thing, too.
And. And they can change. Just like you
can say, like, I only did that because of
this one circumstance. But you still did
it. So I don't. I
really. I liked how
I wasn't. I really liked how that all
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played out.
>> Will (45:08):
Agreed. Yeah, I did. I did, too. I think,
especially, you know, I'm trying to think if there's anything else in
episode one,
that, really.
>> Sarah (45:19):
Go back to it as we think about it. We don't have
to like, yeah, yeah, go episode by episode.
>> Will (45:25):
No, no, no. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah. I
think, you know, just thinking about really getting a
better understanding of Cecil,
and. And. And the conflict between Mark and Cecil, because we've.
We've seen this tension build up
over time.
>> Sarah (45:40):
Right?
>> Will (45:41):
and. And. And m. And all,
you know, and. Except, you know, these first three
episodes, you know, it boils over. I mean, Mark, you know, actually lays
hands on Cecil, to the. You know, Cecil. Because he had
come in and he, like, you know, had Mark,
go to that white room.
>> Sarah (45:57):
The white room?
>> Will (45:59):
Yes. Yes. to, you know,
because he. He, you know, because
one, you know, he. At the end of the day, he was
like, yeah, we saw what happened with Nolan, and now
we got another one of you. And we've been playing. We. We. You know, we've been planning for
this moment. and. And then, of course, please
guard. Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (46:19):
It's just like what we were talking about before with Paradise.
You think all of these rich people are going to leave themselves
defenseless? Like, you think Cecil
is going to surround himself with people
like, Mark aside, with people
who could kill him at any. Like, have,
like, outplay him and, like.
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But leave himself defenseless?
Like. No.
>> Will (46:45):
Yeah, for sure. For sure. But also.
But also with the. With the white room and seeing the
reanimates, you know, it really gets
into the, you know, the larger
philosophical debate that,
that. That
Cecil, you know, Whenever you know, how we see the
evolution of Cecil, have
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that sort, of a very similar worldview as Mark,
as far as, you know, these are,
bad people. We can't work with them. And
then by the end of, you know, by the end of these
three episodes, we see why he. He,
He. He. He goes the
route of. No, we can use these folks, because what
was the. I can't remember what was what. What
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Cecil said exactly. I'm paraphrasing here,
but, you can either play hero or you can make,
>> Sarah (47:36):
You know, essentially,
you can be the good guy or you can. Or the
guy who saves the world.
>> Will (47:43):
You can save the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't be both.
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.
And I, like, you know, and seeing how, you know,
we learned Cecil's backstory as far as, like,
why. How he, came about
having the scars, and it was, you know, not only,
you know, not only from, you know, from a story
standpoint, but also just from a physical
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standpoint. you know, he. He
had to learn that lesson the hard way.
>> Sarah (48:10):
Yeah. And about rehabilitation,
too.
>> Will (48:13):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (48:15):
How they put him in jail, and then they're like,
we've had so many, few deaths here that
we think we can let you out.
>> Will (48:23):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (48:24):
I'll admit, I didn't follow everything. Like,
I. I don't know what happened. I was watching it, and next
thing I know, I look up, and I'm like, when did Cecil
go to prison? Like, how did this happen? But I was like,
whatever. So I just went along with it.
But I. And then they end
it with him meeting Nolan.
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Like, to go through that experience, because what
we're seeing in present day is also not
just Nolan. Like, make Mark
aware that he's not
Cecil. Like, they're not.
It's. It's Cecil also dealing with his own
guilt over letting Nolan in
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and. And allowing what happened
with Nolan to occur.
So. So it's like they're
both, from their own perspective,
still rectifying that whole situation.
Like, Mark is like, I'm not my father. And Cecil's
like, I'm not gonna let you be your father.
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So the tension is real.
and I just need to get into this
third episode cold open,
because. Oh, my God.
Wow. Yeah.
I love it when a show that
can. I'm not saying that Invincible
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feels procedural, but there are
some definite procedural elements, especially whenever they
bring in the Guardians, that I still. Still could care
less about.
>> Will (49:58):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (49:59):
But the. When
they change their formula and just open an
episode. And it's not even
like the fact that we are looking
at two characters. it's.
They. They went for the. We're just gonna
do piano and
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you're just gonna, You're. It's like. It's like a
1920s
silent film that is played out.
And I thought it was so brilliant because
to have that open the third episode and
knowing these three episodes play out
like leading up to this, they've already
dropped these ideas about
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rehabilitation and Cecil's stance on it
versus Mark's opinion about it. And then to
watch the cold open of the third episode,
I was just like,
that's. That's bringing me
in as a viewer and also
allowing me not only to,
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to really understand what,
what the themes are this season
that are unique to previous seasons.
As I can, I think at this point with
Invincible, like we're
in the third season at this point, I'm
used to characters suddenly just going in a
circle and I feel like oddly
(51:25):
enough we're really
seeing these. Mark in
particular evolve and change
for better and for worse, but
continue to grow. Like, I don't feel
like his growth is stunted.
But.
>> Will (51:43):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think. Yeah, I'm glad you, I'm
glad you brought up that. The opening that. I think that
was with that cold open with
the third episode, that. That is what like really
sealed it for me as far as like, okay,
this shows moving in a direction that I, That
I, That I feel
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it is a positive one.
because I felt that the second, the
second season, you know, we, we broke it up.
but it, it did feel like,
like, you know, I think there
were some moments where. And maybe that's why I think why we
stepped away from it. It would just seem like it was just sort of going. It
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didn't really. Things weren't moving ahead much as
far as the plot. But this
one I feel. Yeah, you know, really
like you said, it just really captures the
the overarching themes of, of this,
of the season so far.
And what we're going to see, I think, you know, that. And, and that
we're going to see this season, and.
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And. And using though using
that story of those two criminals who try to
reform in a desperation and they, they had success
and then, and then
at the end of the day they, they reverted back to their,
You know, what they know.
>> Sarah (53:04):
But they were like in a way
it's not just that they reverted back to it, it's that
you saw the. How
they were pushed yeah, like. Like the
forces were against them. And I
think that that's. That's where.
Where they, They're taking a very black
(53:26):
and white concept and worldview
that Mark has, and there's. They're shading the
gray and saying, like, it's not that simple.
Yeah.
>> Will (53:35):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (53:35):
Like, remember when, like,
someone broke your mom's arm and then you killed
him?
>> Will (53:41):
Yeah, yeah, that's. Yeah, that's. That's exactly right. That's
exactly right. Yeah. Because. Yeah. So.
Yeah. So I think that was just the brilliance of it. And that's where I was like, oh,
yeah, this. I'm really enjoying this, this season,
so far because of. Because of that. And.
And then of course, and. And we see that, you know,
throughout the rest of the episode as far as,
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even a. Sort of a callback to season one.
Like whenever Mark, You know, when it did.
When Cecil like, used the, fail safe in his head.
and then once, the, they were able to disable it. But
then, you know, Mark went on a spree just like Nolan did,
with. With, you know, at least in the first season as Guardians of
the Globe. But then here was those reanimates.
(54:24):
But it was like, almost beat for beat what happened there.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (54:27):
So you even have, Rex
go on his. Like, they keep talking. I
thought. I thought you were. You were
changing, like, not cursing as much and not
being as much of a misogynist and all of
like, Like, Like Rex is. Rex is
growing on me where I don't. I don't
(54:48):
like, like he. He
actually played the part that I feel like they've been trying
to get him to play, where his comedy actually
worked because.
Was a humorous reflection of the
dramatic story beats that are currently at
play. in a bizarre way. And
(55:08):
I really like that. And I
mean, to your point, like, to have that cold
out open featuring
adults, like adults
to. To bookend it with the.
A child
out of desperation, out of
fear of losing his brother
(55:30):
and also just
like trying to stop the bad
guys. Kills.
Kills the bad guys in the end.
And that's that moment when
they. The Guardians walk in and he. It's
just Oliver standing there.
And also the blood. And you see
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that throughout the episode too,
where these two characters,
who we meet in the beginning are two
characters who Oliver and Mark end
up facing off against. At one
point it looked like they were actually holding their own.
And then they realize how young
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Oliver is.
>> Will (56:15):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (56:16):
And it's just like. It's like
so, like the
humanity that they were able to web into
those scenes allowed
what they were doing to be much more gray and
much more like pointing
out the,
Kind of the sadness and the loss of innocence,
(56:40):
that is at play.
>> Will (56:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Completely agree. Completely agree.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (56:46):
Why. Why did so. So. So
Oliver is gonna go by what name? It's
not gonna be Kid Omni Man.
And then Mark's now Invincible.
>> Will (57:03):
I thought that was so funny. It's just like he changed his
costume and everybody was like, oh, this. They
see him as dismissive as a
sidekick.
>> Sarah (57:13):
Yeah, yeah. And then at the end, they
also tease that Angstrom Levy
is, is watching and still
alive, in the background. Which I'm glad,
because I think you brought it up
earlier. Season two. I think season two.
Worst scheduling of a show I've ever
(57:33):
seen and experienced because of the two
halves. And that first half we spent so much
time building up Angstrom. And then
it was just like. Like, we're just like, We
were checked out because it was like, oh, what's the
point? But I'm glad that,
like, I feel like at this
point it's kind of worth it
(57:55):
because I can understand why without
that backstory, him and his
whole vendetta,
it wouldn't matter as much. And it would also
not be. Allow
as much
reflection, in Mark and his actions, that were.
(58:17):
That we're seeing. So. So.
>> Will (58:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the other thing
too, that, you know. You know, when you were talking about the
molded twins and. And
even, like, You know, going back to the first episode too,
with the, Dr. Sesmic, you know,
they. I. I like how they. They
bring these villains back and use them
in. In appropriate ways. Even, like, even
(58:42):
with the cracks, whenever, you know, seismic, like,
gives the shot to Eve and. And.
And Mark, as far as the sexist tropes and all that kind of
stuff, and then she fires back. She's like, you know, he's
just old, generic, super. You know, generic super villain. So, you
know, I like those little ins. In. In
story, like cracks of
(59:02):
humor, that, But also that, you know, there are
these ongoing characters,
you know, resurface in. In this. In this show just to like, you know,
basically show again just remind us of, like, the.
The. The. The world that
Invincible lives in. And, you know, he does have some
recurring villains. and it also just reinforces the
point too. Like, As far as, like, you
(59:25):
know, without. With Oliver was trying to understand,
like, why are you letting these Bad guys go all
the time. You know, why can't we just. Just kill them? So there's just so many,
you know, levels how, you know, Oliver's
questions and questioning Mark about
good versus evil and good guys versus bad
guys. and. And not take, you know,
not using these opportunities to stop these bad guys
(59:47):
once and for all. and. And Mark just.
Again, just having to reflect and. And, you
know, and remember the choice that he.
That he. That he always makes every time he uses his powers and
stopping these folks that know we're not. We're not. No killing. No
killing. So, you know,
so, you know, so again, it's just. For me, it's
(01:00:07):
just a nice way of this
storytelling. with. With this season
so far. how. How they. How
they've established, you know, these. These elements, you know,
come setting up and then. And then, of course, we still have
Alan and. And Nolan in the. In the prison.
They touched on a little bit, but, you know, they didn't spend too. Too much
(01:00:28):
time on it. and then, of course, you
know, and another thing, too, I did like with this.
With this. This block of episodes is, Debbie
and, you know, moving on with her life and, you know, having a relationship
with Will Polk and. But.
>> Sarah (01:00:44):
But also like, trying to be a mother to
Oliver. I. I, really like
that. Thank you for bringing up Debbie, because I really
do appreciate. I feel like,
she is so much more
stronger this season and.
Or ever since, the last few episodes of
(01:01:05):
season two where Oliver came into play. And
just. I always commend her because
of her clear love
for Oliver.
and just. I like how she's not the evil
stepmom. I like how she's not resentful
towards him. Like, there's just. There's a
(01:01:25):
beauty in that. and
how she's almost trying to
get things right with Oliver because she
feels like she made some mistakes with how she
handled Mark, when he was around
that age. So I. I really
appreciate that. M.
(01:01:46):
Yeah. Yeah. And we're. We're gonna
continue the discussion, not next
week. We. We got. We got a
tiny little film to talk about next week.
So. So we'll be back in two weeks with More
Invincible discussion.
>> Will (01:02:01):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah, I'm looking
forward to talking about More
Invincible and of course, yeah, we'll be back for paradise
next week. And, yeah, that little. That little film, that's
dropping this weekend. So, we'll give our
takes on Captain America 4.
>> Sarah (01:02:18):
Great new world order. I was gonna say Brave
New World, but no, it's New World Order.
>> Will (01:02:23):
Yeah, they have. They, you know, just like. Just. It's just like
the reshoots. They just. I've lost track of,
like. What's the subtitle for that damn film?
>> Sarah (01:02:33):
Yeah. Yeah. All right. On that note, Will, why
don't you tell our listeners where they can find you?
>> Will (01:02:38):
Yes, you can find me on all the socials at Will and
Polk. W I L L M M P.
>> Sarah (01:02:43):
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Greetings nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and
with me as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you doing
tonight, Will?
>> Will (00:07):
Doing very well, Sarah. Hope you're doing well and happy
early Valentine's Day.
>> Sarah (00:12):
Yeah. Tomorrow is Valentine's Day.
>> Will (00:14):
Yes, it is. Yes it is.
>> Sarah (00:16):
That is a day that happens once a year.
>> Will (00:19):
Exactly.
>> Sarah (00:23):
so do you want to start off with the Black History
Month spotlight?
>> Will (00:27):
Yeah, Yeah. I found like this
movie so I've been like, you know, I've been trying to like
stay clear of like the usual like of course
trying to stay in the genre but didn't want to do like all the top
five, you know, African American
actors or movies and sci fi,
or anything like that. So I was going
down the, down the rabbit hole as far as film history
(00:49):
and stuff and I found this movie from 1940
called Son of In Goddy
Igagi. And it was like apparently the
first like all black cast
and in a, in a motion picture in,
in 1940. I did actually watch it. If you go on
YouTube, I'll post it on our show notes so folks
can go check it out. But basically it sounds a little
(01:12):
bit like a film that I talked about last week with
that is starring IO, from the
bear.
The film's. The tagline is a
newlywed couple is visited by a strange old woman who
harbors a secret about the young girl's father. So it's, it's a
horror film but it's also in a sci fi
genre as well. So it's about an hour.
(01:33):
It's a fair use. It's all, it's posted on
YouTube. it's about an hour and a half long
and I, you know, I did watch it and it was pretty good actually.
I, I really did
really did enjoy it. And that is again like I
said, just based off of some of the film websites and stuff
that I've been looking around and stuff. I think it was the first film
that had an all black cast in 1940. So I guess they were
(01:55):
woke even back then.
>> Sarah (01:58):
Wow.
>> Will (01:59):
Yeah. Yeah. but good. Yeah. But I'll post it on
the show notes. So if anybody wants where I found it on YouTube.
So if you want to, want to go, anyone wants to go check it out, you can
do so. And but yeah, that, that was the that was
the profile for this week.
>> Sarah (02:14):
so I I didn't watch any of the Super
Bowl.
>> Will (02:20):
Well really as far as the game itself,
I mean, it was over, like, it was over the first
half. I mean, hell, even the first quarter, I mean, it was
a dismantling of, the Kansas City Chiefs by the Eagles.
They were just. It was just. The Chiefs
picked a bad day to have a bad day.
>> Sarah (02:37):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
that's what I've seen and everything that, like,
I, like, I didn't watch it live,
but I watched after the
fact, the halftime show, and I watched and
I've seen things. like suddenly my
for you page on TikTok is flooded with all of this
(02:57):
stuff about the. Either the
Phillies, K QB or the,
the cornerback or the, the
receiver. I think that's the position.
But, but yeah, so it's, it was a
funny change of pace, than what I'm
used to, but,
yeah, I don't, I don't really know how to talk about the Super
(03:19):
Bowl. Will, you're gonna have to help me out.
>> Will (03:22):
I mean, honestly, there were, there was there, There were some
trailers. I don't know if you watched the, the, Thunderbolts
trailer.
>> Sarah (03:28):
No, I'm, I'm sticking to
a one and done.
>> Will (03:33):
Okay.
>> Sarah (03:33):
Trailers. I'm like, I'm watching one
trailer. I might happen to catch
something, but, But I'm not, I'm not seeking out
more information about movies I'm gonna go see.
>> Will (03:45):
Yeah, I mean, I watched it. you know, I didn't even,
even that Even super bowl night. I was
like, yeah, still not feeling it. But,
but, yeah, but, you know, so there was that. It was also the Mission
Possible trailer, which, that one.
But the thing is about the Mission Impossible
is they, they had. And I know Tom
(04:06):
Cruise was showing the behind the scenes
of the stunt that he was doing on the biplane,
and the only. So, you know,
we, we talk about films giving too much away,
and you, know, I, I'm like, no,
why are you. I mean, I understand why he's doing
that one. And they always do have some surprise stunts in the film
(04:27):
that, that doesn't show up in the trailers. But I was just like, you
know, I, I, I was getting some vibes
of. I think it was Rogue Nation. It was one of the other films where he was,
like, off the side of a plane. but
this one definitely, felt definitely
a little bit more intimate, given it was a smaller plane.
so there was that one. And then, of course, the, the real, you know,
(04:47):
the big thing for that night was just, of course,
Kendrick's halftime show, which I watched a few times.
It's really good. I mean, it's like a blend of,
like, you know, it was style over style and substance
over just, you know, fluff. And, And also it's just
like, it was a master class of, like, how you can put
on a show where you're giving a
message, but also taking
(05:10):
a. Just basically, like, being. Taking
another shot at, like, Drake after the whole,
like, you know, it's just like.
Yeah, yeah. And because they had, like, the bars
come up with, like, you know, not like us.
And then he, like, nodded out the back a little bit, and then when it came
out, and then, like, of course, Serena doing the Crip walk
(05:30):
and. And everything about it was just,
It was. You know, it's. It's. It's truly. It was
truly, like, art as far as, like, a
show itself. I mean, you know, it wasn't like, you know, a
lot of super bowl halftime shows, you know, like.
Or just big spectacles, but this
one was, like, truly, like, a work of art. And
(05:52):
it's just like, oh, yeah, that's right. Kendrick does have, He is a
Pulitzer Prize winning artist,
so he put that full on
display, for everyone to see. But, yeah, but that.
Yeah, so that. Those are. Those are just my quick super bowl thoughts.
What's the game?
>> Sarah (06:06):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, the game did
look like it was, a game
with the defense, like, going nowhere.
But. And. And like I said before, I did watch
the halftime show. Did I understand everything?
No. No. Have I ever heard any of those songs?
Even the whole not like us? no, I've never
(06:27):
heard those songs. No, but I do.
From a.
What?
>> Will (06:33):
I said, I'm sure you've heard all the Stars, because that wasn't Black Panther.
>> Sarah (06:36):
Well, well, sure, sure. But, like,
yeah, yeah, sure.
Thank you for calling me out. But,
yeah, in my opinion, I. I.
>> Will (06:49):
Will say that I'm not like. Yeah, just a little. Yeah. It's not
like I have a deep knowledge of Kendrick's catalog either, so I'm not.
I'm not calling you out. there are a few songs where I was just like,
oh, yeah, this first time I've heard this. That's. That's a bop.
Okay. So don't. Don't feel bad.
>> Sarah (07:03):
I'm sure, like. Like, I. There
were some things that were familiar. I guess the. When I
say the word heard, I mean, like, actually sat down
and listened to and understood what was going on. No,
I haven't really heard any of it, and I
think Mainly the thing I wanted to just point out or
say is that despite all of
that from, I could see how it
(07:25):
was much more of a
story than in Super Ball
past, where like
use the word spectacle. And I don't know
if I, I would even describe it as that. It
just felt like a lot of the artists have taken
like that moment to do a
medley and make it more like
(07:48):
what they would do during a concert as
opposed to like
a different, a
different level of performance.
Yeah. But, we're gonna get out of this subject
because I'm clearly like going
nowhere on
(08:08):
this. and we're going to go into
paradise. Episode five
called in the Places of Crowded Kings.
the IMDb synopsis.
Xavier faces the consequences of his
investigation, forcing him to consider how to
proceed. Meanwhile, Cal's family history and
his last days are examined.
(08:29):
And that's the synopsis of the show.
>> Will (08:33):
Yeah, you know, actually for, for
once the IMDb pretty much
nailed the episode. I mean there was a
lot of depth, you know,
packed into that, two, those two sentences there.
>> Sarah (08:49):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, but you forget all of the
IMDb, synopsis that we read for the
boys season four. They have some really
good synopsis.
>> Will (08:58):
They did too. They did too. That's a fair point. That's a fair
point.
>> Sarah (09:01):
That's a fair one. And
I'm probably just saying that because they were also
the shortest synopsis ever.
They were like. Yeah, that, that's great.
It's in one sentence. You're summing up what happened,
but not really. yeah.
So what are your thoughts on this episode?
>> Will (09:22):
Yeah, so I, I was dialed into this
particular episode. You know, it really clearly moved
a lot of things forward. It answered
questions about Cal's last day and.
Poor guy, I mean, you know,
his last, his, his final days on earth were just,
it was, he
(09:44):
had a hard go. but, but also it was very
interesting too just to see the dynamics between
Cal's father, and, and, and, and
Cal and, and Bradford and
as far as his you know, honesty, his lack of
agency, that, you know, but, but, but over
the course of the episode, you know, I
think we, we definitely see him
(10:06):
found, find his footing and everything. So, you know,
so from before. So this week was where the Flash, you
know, both, I thought both the flashbacks and also
the present day stories did complement each other very.
And yeah, I just, like I said, it was
just really dialed in. And you know, in the use of
Byron's you know, poem,
(10:28):
there as far as, I can't remember the name of it right
now.
>> Sarah (10:31):
Darkness.
>> Will (10:32):
Darkness. Yeah. Really, you know,
really from the imagery from the. From the. Get
with, you know, with the Washington Monument there
underwater. And, And then of
course, they dial back and. And you know,
to the flashback. M. And then of course, at
the end, you know, it really answers some
questions as far as the cataclysm, but also,
(10:57):
raise some more questions about it as
well, which I think the, The.
The. You know, what. The, you know, in the. In the poem itself being about
how, you know, how
some unknown force like, you know, blacks
out the sun. You know, I thought. I thought that was just
a perfect, you know, not only from the visuals, but
(11:17):
also just the whole theme of the episode really, just
really complemented that.
>> Sarah (11:22):
Right, right.
I. I'm sure I've heard this poem in
other things, but, Because it sounded
familiar, but I, I'm. I don't
know it, in any way. But I, I really like the
opening and. And I do think that
the flashbacks carried this entire episode.
(11:43):
mainly because I felt
like, first of all, I
love seeing James Marsden play.
I just. I. I am
still mad that they killed.
We knew it. We knew it in the first episode when
we saw the flashbacks. It was like, how are we going to
(12:05):
go through this with Cal being stuck in the
flashbacks? It's just so hard.
but they. They ultimately carried it because,
the story, like James
Marston aside, this
episode was really about fathers and
sons and just
(12:26):
the dynamic not just between
Cal and his own father, but
also Jeremy and him.
And that was really done, executed really
well because the buildup
to the scene in
which we do
see the last conversation Cal ever
(12:48):
had with his father that night,
and he was trying
to get some resolution in this
idea of
is his father proud of him,
and everything that he's done.
And up until that point, we see
(13:08):
in the flashbacks, through their different
conversations, that
his father, even the way he spoke about
his son, it was always like.
Or him, but also like even Tiger
Woods. Like, it was the dad who
did a good job, not necessarily the son
who actually executed the stuff,
(13:31):
the plans of the father, but it was the
father who put forward the plans.
And therefore, all
glory should go to the father, not the
son. And then just to
have that, juxtaposed with
Jeremy and Jeremy's guilt
over the conversations he had
(13:53):
with his father leading up to his father's
death and then
being able to have that moment because,
Because Cain, is, is dealing
with dementia. He.
They are able to have this brilliant
moment of just. Just a
(14:15):
grandfather, and
a grandson, but also a father
son, where they're both able to say the
thing that they wanted. Want
to say the most to. Cal.
I love that scene. I made the whole entire
episode worth it.
>> Will (14:34):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (14:36):
Because. Because, I'm going to be
honest with you people,
this show is somewhat losing me.
It's not. It's just that
I still see where they're going and I'm not
sure I like it. Just like, I
don't know if this is right. I don't like
(14:57):
it. And
so I just.
It just bothers me, because they
keep. I like.
>> Will (15:08):
Okay.
>> Sarah (15:09):
And. And I just,
Yeah.
>> Will (15:12):
Yeah. What. What. What aspect is.
Is it losing you? Is it the. The killing off the
characters? Is it you feeling that the. The mystery
is a bit forced or.
>> Sarah (15:24):
Well, yeah, mysteries are both forced. I mean, we talked
about this a lot last week about Sinatra.
Okay. And. And again, in this episode,
they're. They're telegraphing, which makes me
think it's not Sinatra. But at the same
time, I'm like, what are we doing here?
Because, like, okay, so
Sinatra's behind the death.
(15:46):
Like, clearly Presley was
there, which I've already figured out.
Okay, we'll get into. I, want to get into
Presley because, Will, you can
believe me or you can not believe me, but I swear, swear
to God, as soon
as, like, this episode was playing out and
(16:06):
when Cain recognized her,
I had, like, this moment of, like,
going back to when I watched the pilot episode. And
I was thinking about during the opening
sequence when Xavier comes down
to breakfast and Presley's there. There was
this weird tension, and I had a moment where I was
(16:26):
like, okay, so Presley killed Callum.
Like, it's so. So.
But I was just like, there's something. And if you
remember there in that scene,
he mentions, hey, like, why is
Ties, Or Jay's bike still
out in the lawn and everything? There was a big deal. She rode
(16:47):
the bike. She rode the bike there because they
were doing the Wii tennis thing.
>> Will (16:54):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (16:54):
Remember? Yeah, so I do remember that. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. This is my theory. Like, that's why she was
there that night or happened to occur
there, because they were doing the. We.
Tennis between her. Ah,
Billy and, What's her name?
Jane. And Jane. So.
But also, remember, Billy gets
(17:17):
sick, too, because they kept mentioning the
soup. So I'm not saying it was Jane
who killed California. Not saying that.
Don't forget there's another Character.
There's a few other service people
who are seen in that first episode who could
have easily done it as well. But,
(17:38):
but, yeah, but somehow
in the killing, the safe gets
broken into, which I, I bet you
it was Cain like Cain broke into the safe because he
would be the only one who could. Right, right,
right. Well, you know, Jeremy.
But no, I don't think.
>> Will (17:57):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think it was Jeremy. I mean, I guess Kane would be able
to get in to the, into
the safe because. Let's see. I'm trying to remember. Yeah.
Because I know. Yeah. Cause yeah, he
would be the one in, in this episode.
He did. Now I don't know, was it a,
you know, Kane. I don't know if Kane was getting
(18:18):
Agent, Robinson,
mixed up with Presley or he
wasn't.
>> Sarah (18:26):
Yeah, because he said
says it at the end.
>> Will (18:30):
Yeah, that's right. That's right.
>> Sarah (18:32):
Yeah. Yeah. Like they, they do, they play
it in the they, they do a red
herring because they have the
sequence which, which honestly, for, for two
teenagers who are doing this little
romantic dance. I'm actually all
right. Jeremy and Presley
dynamic. yeah, yeah,
(18:55):
I think, I think it's very sweet and I can see
how it'll end in a bit of heartache, and
tension and everything. But so far it's
not, it's not annoying because they're
actually treated like, I wouldn't say
adults, but they're not treated like 10 year
olds either.
>> Will (19:13):
Exactly. Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah, they, they
have done a good job of writing, writing these, the two, the two characters. I
would agree.
>> Sarah (19:19):
Right, right, right. So, so Grandpa comes
in, accidentally interrupts the kiss
and then they play it like
he's confusing Jeremy for Cal and
Presley for Robinson. But then
later on when right around
the same time that they do the montage and you're like
(19:40):
some like Presley has a secret. Secret.
He, it dawns on him like. Yeah,
I remember her because I saw
her that night.
>> Will (19:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, I forgot, I
forgot the, the little month whenever she's looking under
the mattress and, and you know, with that
piece. So thanks for reminding me about that, that, that montage there at
the end. Yeah, because you're right. I, I, I, Yeah, I
think, you know, now that you mentioned it, I guess I did have that like,
ah, moment whenever that was. That was going on
(20:10):
real time when I was watching it too.
>> Sarah (20:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and
I, it, you know, I
kept looking back on these past few
episodes, there was A part of me was that
was thinking about how.
Why, like they've been in there
for three years, right?
>> Will (20:32):
Yeah, I guess it's been three, two years.
>> Sarah (20:34):
They've been in there for a bit. A fair amount. Years
we're talking. So. And
Jeremy and Presley like are very aware of
who each other are. So why
was it like that second episode
when she just randomly follows him into the
library or something like that was another
clue indicating like
(20:57):
she's also, there. I. Again, I'm not
saying personally killed Cal. I don't think that.
But she knows
something more and I think it might even go
beyond just the tablet.
>> Will (21:11):
Yeah. Yeah, I think. Yeah. I mean, she was
clearly somehow some way she.
She was able to procure that tablet that night.
>> Sarah (21:19):
Right. But then if you think about this.
Well, yeah, so. So
maybe it's just that she found the tablet
but didn't witness because it's
been a few days, a week at
least, if not more. So she, she
had to have run into. If she had
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witnessed someone kill Cal,
she. She would have probably ran into that
person at this point. Right.
>> Will (21:48):
Yeah. That's a state. I mean, because the cameras are down.
So. Yeah, we do know someone.
I guess someone did come into
the,
>> Sarah (22:00):
What I'm saying is that since that night.
>> Will (22:03):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (22:04):
What there's been. I guess what I'm
trying to articulate is there's been
no scene between Presley and
someone else.
>> Will (22:14):
Oh, Gabriella.
>> Sarah (22:18):
Huh?
>> Will (22:19):
I said, yeah, you're right. There hasn't been a scene between Presley and somebody
else.
>> Sarah (22:23):
And yeah, that, that has. Or.
Or even really indicated
that. Oh, like she's afraid
of them.
You know, like.
>> Will (22:34):
Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah.
>> Sarah (22:36):
Yeah. This episode. Didn't she.
Didn't Jane come over and
like while they're exiting the funeral and then
Xavier tells, Presley to. I don't
know, but I just. I feel like
there would have been, bigger signs
if like. I guess really what I'm getting
at is I don't. She may have found the
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tablet and she may have been there that
night, but I don't think she actually knows who
killed Cal because also remember she's
spending all this time with Jeremy, who clearly has a lot
of guilt. So how are you supposed to make moves
on someone when you know who killed your father?
Like, that's a bit messed up.
>> Will (23:18):
Yeah, yeah, no, I completely agree with you. I don't. Yes. You
know, whether the assailant actually, you know, in the. In their
haste and getting away Dropped the tablet and she was, you
know, she found it that night, and just took it back,
you know, and hit it. And yeah,
you, but you're right, there's no indication at least because
she's, she's had interactions with at least all the introduced
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characters in some form. She's had interactions with everyone
at some it. Because at the carnival. Yeah,
because at the carnival she, she did. Yeah, she did see
Dr. Thabi.
So. Yeah. And you know, there was no
weird vibe or anything there other
than she was like, oh, glad Dad's moving on. You know. So,
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so, yeah, so, yeah, I mean,
we, yeah.
>> Sarah (24:03):
So the, the, the person
who she g. Gave. Who
she appeared most afraid of is Cain.
But then again, we're supposed to believe
that it's because he saw her
that night.
>> Will (24:19):
Right.
>> Sarah (24:20):
And she hasn't told anybody else that she was there and
that she has the tablet. But
it could also be because in a
state, in his mental state,
he could have accidentally got
into a tussle with, with
Cal.
>> Will (24:39):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (24:39):
And yeah, like, like I could see that
happening as well based off of what
was shown in, in this episode.
But at the same time we got this freaking
Sinatra thing going on,
which I just,
there's something about it that bothers me because
in this episode, Robinson comes up to
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Xavier and says the DNA from
the, from the crime scene never made
it to the lab.
>> Will (25:07):
Yep.
>> Sarah (25:09):
And I'm just sitting here like, okay. Uh-huh.
Like, I'm glad Xavier was like, no,
no, this is not, we're not doing this.
Okay? You can't come crawl into me now.
I don't trust you. Like, even though we
both don't trust her, I, that doesn't make me trust
you.
>> Will (25:28):
Exactly. Exactly. And, and I,
I, I can see where you're like,
feeling, feeling a little like,
less enamored with things because, you,
because it is, I, I guess the way
that they have woven into the
store, the story lines as far as
Samantha's, you
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know, you know, treachery or whatever word you want to
use as far as, like, you know, keeping the lie. And,
and you know, of course now we, you know, we learn on
it whenever in this episode with the flashback, we learned
that, you know, you know, we get more con,
More background as far as Billy being this, you know, the assassin
to take out the, the expedition to, you know, to see if
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people. If there were survivors from the, from the
cataclysm. So, you know, so,
so I get. For, for me, at least
they're they're definitely setting up, you know,
characters you should root for. Characters you are
like clear, you know, you're
supposed to like, not like. And. And then there's
like the wild cards, like Tarabi, who,
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you know, was, you know, where. How is she going
to fall down with all this? Because, you know, she was
Kyle's therapist.
and we, you know, we did see a little bit of that session.
Of course, you know, she's hooked up with Xavier.
And then of course, you know, she was also Samantha's therapist, so
she could, you know, so she's
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all, you know, she, she's the wild card in all, all of
this.
>> Sarah (26:57):
And so, yeah, I don't, I don't feel like she
is. I, I feel like I view
her more as a hostage.
I. There is, there's.
There's something about her and what we
saw and her whole explanation for
what her place is as the architect of
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social, well, being in paradise,
that still, despite that
Samantha has her under her thumb.
So despite what she knows,
she. There's still fearfulness of
Samantha. And there's,
there's also like.
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I could say something down, but I'm not.
>> Will (27:42):
Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, say it. We're oral friends here.
>> Sarah (27:46):
I, I don't know if she, if she
really wants to go see who else made it
alive. Because my opinion, I know
Xavier's wife's still alive and that means she can't have her
happy ending with.
I don't know, there's. There's some
weird. I, I've got like.
I, I know that, the writers want me
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to like Dr. Thorabe. I don't like her. I haven't
liked her since that whole sex session.
I. There, there's something about the way that played off
that rubbed me in the wrong way. And I'm like, nope, I can't.
She's a pick me girl and I can't get into it.
No, well, I've written her off.
Samantha. See,
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I don't find her treacherous. I don't, I
don't like the word. To use the words treachery
or villainous about her. Even
though she killed Billy and she killed those
people because she.
I think they're doing a good job about
making sure we understand her motivations.
Because there's a line in this episode
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and we hear in the recordings that
are about that where she says
like, no, they have to die
or you can't bring this person back with
you.
>> Will (29:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (29:08):
Who knows who will follow and most
importantly, no one
knows. So if people are alive on the
surface level, and I never thought about this until this line was
said, no one knows where they are.
>> Will (29:21):
Right.
>> Sarah (29:22):
Which is huge. Like,
so, so they're, so there are,
survivors, but it's not like they're,
they're looking. They don't even know who to look for for,
because their assumption is people are
dead. Now, Xavier's wife, on the other hand,
she's probably doing her research. She's scientist.
Okay.
>> Will (29:43):
Well, I mean, I think, you know, and we've, and we theorized about this
and talked about this before, like, there,
there could be other paradises out there,
as you know that I don't. You know, this may not be just
a. Yeah, you know, they, you know, maybe
they, whether Kane and, and, and, And Brett
and President Bradford, like, built some redundant
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centers, like if they couldn't make it to Colorado or,
you know, or, you know what the k. Or other governments around the
world have their own things because, you know, especially when you think about
that, you know, when you think about the conference where,
Kyle and, and Sinatra, you know, when they
first meet. So. Yeah,
so. And you know, and also Kane clearly, you
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know, Kane is clearly a very,
rich man that has a lot of influence. So I can't see, you know,
while he was in his good mind, he was probably, you know, he,
he probably has some contingency plans
for, for other, like, places too, for, for people to
go.
>> Sarah (30:38):
So maybe I, I, I did, like,
and I appreciated that they made it clear that
technically this wasn't Samantha's idea.
>> Will (30:47):
Right?
>> Sarah (30:48):
Yeah, it was Kane. It was
Kane's paradise for
his family, for his son,
Grandson. And I was like, yeah,
but now you're in a state of dementia.
>> Will (31:01):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (31:02):
Talking about putting the child locks on,
there was just something so interesting about that.
But he, at the end of the day, he never had a
daughter. But
I hope we get a backstory,
a flashback episode featuring him
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and his, his
relationship that evolves with Samantha.
>> Will (31:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (31:31):
There's a, there's a reason why he chose her.
There's a reason why, like, it always
felt like he knew her
better than even Cal did.
So.
>> Will (31:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that's clear the case.
Especially given that, you know, when he, whenever
Kyle does go and gets the tablet out and,
you know, you know, he realizes he doesn't have the clearance to, like, get
to those secret files. But then, you know, then he,
you know, I think to your point, they, they, they
established that in this episode. That, that Kane and
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Samantha were,
you know, had. Had had this strong relationship
there. because, you know, as Kyle was starting to put the pieces together,
he was, you know, as he was gaining his
agency, he need to go to his dad to like,
let me try to see if his palm will open this
up. And it clearly did. So.
>> Sarah (32:25):
Yeah. Yeah, he was smart enough to know that
like my, my fingerprint won't work,
but my dad's would.
>> Will (32:32):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (32:34):
Which is so annoying.
>> Will (32:36):
well, I think it just really reinforces the, you know, like you were
saying at the beginning. It's just.
>> Sarah (32:40):
Oh, I know why they did it. I wasn't saying like
annoying like that way. It was just. Yeah,
it's more for. From the character perspective
and annoyance of like. Really?
>> Will (32:50):
Yeah, yeah. And the other thing.
>> Sarah (32:53):
Oh, go ahead, go ahead.
>> Will (32:55):
No, I was gonna say another thing too about. With the.
With. With Samantha and ordering
Billy to. To kill. Kill, her two, things.
One, you know, I think it could be a,
you know, scarcity of resources because, you know, they did plan
this community for 25, 000 people and
did get out, did learn about this place
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then. you know, it goes to my
second point which is, you know, when Mikael and
Robinson were there in, in bed
together and talking, talking about weapons and
stuff gets to,
you know, again, making sure that they did
have, gun. You know, guns and stuff so they could
defend themselves if somehow people did find out about it and they had
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to like fight folks off.
>> Sarah (33:40):
But yeah, I, I love
that lie. You really think all of these
people who are like filthy rich
like left themselves defenseless down here?
It's kind of like, yeah. What kind of Kool Aid
was giving back?
What kind of delusional stuff do you
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guys think or have thought for the last three years
that was going on? I really like that.
You know, so
the one other thing that I want to.
I want to bring up is,
the writing on the
number on the cigarette.
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Because we still don't know because even though we
watch it, we still don't know exactly what it is.
I'm going to throw out a wild thing, a
wild area here right now because
the first time that we really look at the
cigarette with the number like Xavier
examining, it's. There's cut scenes
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with the, the airport, the
airplane hangar and everything. And
then we get the flashbacks with his father
and being a pilot. Pilot
and they go to Air Force One.
I wonder if that's the.
The then the the call number or
whatever for Air Force One.
>> Will (35:03):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (35:04):
I mean I think there's something
Cal hid on that plane
because in this episode they kept flashing
back to Jeremy hanging out on what
appeared to be Air Force One.
>> Will (35:18):
Yeah, yeah, he was in. Yeah, he was definitely in Air Force One in
the hangar. And you're right, they did cut back to it. And
the first time that we do get those whenever
Xavier does look at the numbers on the
cigarette, and then we see. Yeah. And
yeah, I think it definitely is tied to it. I don't know if it's a
co. You know, a code to
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maybe. Maybe the mix the mixtape that
that together.
>> Sarah (35:43):
Right. The
mixtape is all of the recordings
that was to, to. To release.
Release that information and let everyone know
about that lie. that we as
viewers already know about.
I think that's what's really also annoying to me.
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I don't like we're watching
other characters learn about this lie,
but we as a viewer already know what it is.
>> Will (36:15):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (36:16):
Like as soon as he said sniper, I'm like, oh, I see
where this is going. Yep. Yeah, I
understand this. Right. I shouldn't.
>> Will (36:25):
Yeah, yeah. I mean for me
it's not, it's not bothering me so much
as it is for you, but I
understand where you're coming from.
>> Sarah (36:35):
Yeah. the other number it could be
is the flight
plane number for the
plane that Xavier's wife
was like sent m.
So and she might have gone onto that
plane and as you were saying, might have been
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sent to not their paradise but
a a A
different paradise.
>> Will (37:03):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (37:04):
Point. I don't know.
>> Will (37:07):
yeah, I'm just trying to think of what else that number because, Because I
know, I know Kyle told
robust in the code so to
where the weapons are stored. So, so it's
not that. Because I think that. I think he said it was like a four
digit, you know, code or whatever. So I was like, well that rules that
out. But you know, but it clearly
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is whatever. you know, I'm just trying to
think of like all the various clues that he,
he was trying to leave behind that he was going to share with
Jeremy. And and even it was wanting to talk to
calm it to Xavier that, that last night. but
of course Xavier wasn't in a place still. Their
relationship at that point was just so strained that
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he just wasn't going to be receptive to it.
>> Sarah (37:50):
Right, right. Well that clue
in particular was for. Meant for Xavier.
>> Will (37:55):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (37:57):
So. And, and, and arguably we still
don't really even understand why the
cigarette. Like, that's a very
weird. So, so we're gonna get a flashback
explaining that more. But. Yeah, all right.
>> Will (38:10):
Yeah, we'll get a flashback for that. And then the only other thing
is, I know they said that
Cal, was, it was blunt force.
You know, I did, you know, I did have the
moment where I was just like, you know, maybe,
maybe he did. Maybe by some chance he, you know, since
he was, he committed suicide.
>> Sarah (38:29):
I mean, yes.
>> Will (38:30):
Is within the realm of possibility. Because the other thing too is.
Yeah. The, you know, the, the entrance and stuff to
the, to the balcony and stuff was open, but that could have been Presley, like,
running out of there.
>> Sarah (38:40):
Yeah, I've, I've had, I had the same thought at,
different points. Even before this episode. I've had that
thought when they were talking about the wounds. I'm like, well,
it could have just been an accident.
>> Will (38:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (38:54):
And then, but then it's, it's
that whole mystery, which, which this is a sad
thing about Cal and the whole mystery about the murder. It's like,
it's not really about the mystery of who murdered him. It's like,
who has the tablet? And now it's what,
how, why does, how did
Presley get it? Like, how did it
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escape from the vault, end
up? but then again,
Cal could have easily taken it out
of the vault. I felt like he did have
it.
>> Will (39:26):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (39:27):
In one of those scenes. And never put it back
in.
>> Will (39:30):
That's, that, that's, that's, you know what I think? Yeah. Because
didn't he take it back out when. Because he,
because he wrote on the cigarette and stuff. Right. But that was
that night that he died.
>> Sarah (39:41):
Right.
>> Will (39:42):
So it could have just been out. Out.
Anyway. so. Yeah.
>> Sarah (39:47):
Yeah. All right, well, that is
a wrap on paradise, episode
five. We will be talking about the next
episode next week. and before
we go, we're gonna break down three episodes of
Invincible. And by Breakdown, I mean just talk very
fast about them.
>> Will (40:07):
Lightning round.
>> Sarah (40:10):
And will get to start
as I try to remember what happened in these
episodes.
>> Will (40:17):
Yeah. So Invincible, season three. I
will say that I, it's nice that, that,
we didn't, have like a, a long
period, between, between seasons this time.
But, but also I felt like this. I, I,
these first three episodes for me were
very entertaining to the place where, you know, we talked
about the show being a, a good show to
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binge and I,
I, I had the four. I had to actually, I really got
dialed into it again. I think the first episode was really good
as far as just sort of. Sort of setting up
the setting, up the season. You know, we
really. I think you really are
exploring in these three episodes. Mark
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really, trying not only to, you know,
keep up, you know, keep himself from becoming,
Nolan 2.0, but also,
also trying to teach the same lessons to Oliver.
And as well, especially as we see
Oliver's abilities, really come
into fruition, a lot sooner
than Mark said. 1. Part of. Part of it is
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Oliver's, you know, accelerated growth.
>> Sarah (41:25):
Yeah.
>> Will (41:26):
But two, But also, you know, it's those.
Those teachable moments that, Mark was
really, you know, had. Had, you know,
before Nolan turned crazy, or just,
you know, came, you know, went all his killing
sprees and all that kind of stuff. you know, Mark trying
to impart those lessons that he, you know, that.
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That he learned, to Oliver as far as not killing
and that kind of thing. And. And Oliver, like, pushing back and be
like, well, yeah, but you killed. So.
So there's that.
>> Sarah (41:56):
I am. I am m. So glad that
Oliver said that, because I was thinking the same thing. I was like, but
you killed. And I think. I think
that that is what stood out to me.
Well, two things stood out to me in these three episodes.
and I'm. I'm glad we waited almost a
year to finish watching the.
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The second season,
because I think if we had
waited a year to watch the third season, this wouldn't be
as relevant. but it was. It was
to have that. That. That moment at the end of
season two where he. Mark,
does make the decision.
Like, all the excuses aside, at the end of the
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day, it was a decision to kill
Armstrong. Armstrong,
and. And he can
still play hero, but at the end of the day,
he did murder someone. And so they're
coming at it from two different angles. And that
I think are working well and that I was not expecting. They're
coming at it from the. Oliver
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who shares, the same DNA,
also part vulture mite, and all of
that fear of becoming that
kind of quote unquote, hero or
savior for Earth
versus. Versus,
Cecilia, who
over these three episodes in particular,
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from. From starting with the first episode,
he. He brings back
reformed villains to
add to the team, which.
Which really, oddly
enough, Mark is like, no, no,
they know these are the bad guys.
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They've. But Cecil is like, no, they've refused,
formed. And you really understand
Cecil's whole perspective on.
On the. The ability for people to
change through that
second Episode.
>> Will (44:01):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (44:02):
and. And we'll get more into that in a moment. But
I think that
it's such like to have those two
perspectives coincide with
Mark trying to figure
out his own feelings about
his action. it's like. It's like
almost you got the devil and the angel on your
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shoulders from the extent, like,
you. You. You want
to, You want to tell yourself that you made
it, you did the right thing,
but so do all of these other
people who you beat up and who you
kill and who kill. Not
kill, but who you throw into jail.
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So they were trying to do the right thing, too.
And. And they can change. Just like you
can say, like, I only did that because of
this one circumstance. But you still did
it. So I don't. I
really. I liked how
I wasn't. I really liked how that all
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played out.
>> Will (45:08):
Agreed. Yeah, I did. I did, too. I think,
especially, you know, I'm trying to think if there's anything else in
episode one,
that, really.
>> Sarah (45:19):
Go back to it as we think about it. We don't have
to like, yeah, yeah, go episode by episode.
>> Will (45:25):
No, no, no. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah. I
think, you know, just thinking about really getting a
better understanding of Cecil,
and. And. And the conflict between Mark and Cecil, because we've.
We've seen this tension build up
over time.
>> Sarah (45:40):
Right?
>> Will (45:41):
and. And. And m. And all,
you know, and. Except, you know, these first three
episodes, you know, it boils over. I mean, Mark, you know, actually lays
hands on Cecil, to the. You know, Cecil. Because he had
come in and he, like, you know, had Mark,
go to that white room.
>> Sarah (45:57):
The white room?
>> Will (45:59):
Yes. Yes. to, you know,
because he. He, you know, because
one, you know, he. At the end of the day, he was
like, yeah, we saw what happened with Nolan, and now
we got another one of you. And we've been playing. We. We. You know, we've been planning for
this moment. and. And then, of course, please
guard. Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (46:19):
It's just like what we were talking about before with Paradise.
You think all of these rich people are going to leave themselves
defenseless? Like, you think Cecil
is going to surround himself with people
like, Mark aside, with people
who could kill him at any. Like, have,
like, outplay him and, like.
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But leave himself defenseless?
Like. No.
>> Will (46:45):
Yeah, for sure. For sure. But also.
But also with the. With the white room and seeing the
reanimates, you know, it really gets
into the, you know, the larger
philosophical debate that,
that. That
Cecil, you know, Whenever you know, how we see the
evolution of Cecil, have
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that sort, of a very similar worldview as Mark,
as far as, you know, these are,
bad people. We can't work with them. And
then by the end of, you know, by the end of these
three episodes, we see why he. He,
He. He. He goes the
route of. No, we can use these folks, because what
was the. I can't remember what was what. What
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Cecil said exactly. I'm paraphrasing here,
but, you can either play hero or you can make,
>> Sarah (47:36):
You know, essentially,
you can be the good guy or you can. Or the
guy who saves the world.
>> Will (47:43):
You can save the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't be both.
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.
And I, like, you know, and seeing how, you know,
we learned Cecil's backstory as far as, like,
why. How he, came about
having the scars, and it was, you know, not only,
you know, not only from, you know, from a story
standpoint, but also just from a physical
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standpoint. you know, he. He
had to learn that lesson the hard way.
>> Sarah (48:10):
Yeah. And about rehabilitation,
too.
>> Will (48:13):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (48:15):
How they put him in jail, and then they're like,
we've had so many, few deaths here that
we think we can let you out.
>> Will (48:23):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (48:24):
I'll admit, I didn't follow everything. Like,
I. I don't know what happened. I was watching it, and next
thing I know, I look up, and I'm like, when did Cecil
go to prison? Like, how did this happen? But I was like,
whatever. So I just went along with it.
But I. And then they end
it with him meeting Nolan.
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Like, to go through that experience, because what
we're seeing in present day is also not
just Nolan. Like, make Mark
aware that he's not
Cecil. Like, they're not.
It's. It's Cecil also dealing with his own
guilt over letting Nolan in
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and. And allowing what happened
with Nolan to occur.
So. So it's like they're
both, from their own perspective,
still rectifying that whole situation.
Like, Mark is like, I'm not my father. And Cecil's
like, I'm not gonna let you be your father.
(49:28):
So the tension is real.
and I just need to get into this
third episode cold open,
because. Oh, my God.
Wow. Yeah.
I love it when a show that
can. I'm not saying that Invincible
(49:48):
feels procedural, but there are
some definite procedural elements, especially whenever they
bring in the Guardians, that I still. Still could care
less about.
>> Will (49:58):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (49:59):
But the. When
they change their formula and just open an
episode. And it's not even
like the fact that we are looking
at two characters. it's.
They. They went for the. We're just gonna
do piano and
(50:20):
you're just gonna, You're. It's like. It's like a
1920s
silent film that is played out.
And I thought it was so brilliant because
to have that open the third episode and
knowing these three episodes play out
like leading up to this, they've already
dropped these ideas about
(50:42):
rehabilitation and Cecil's stance on it
versus Mark's opinion about it. And then to
watch the cold open of the third episode,
I was just like,
that's. That's bringing me
in as a viewer and also
allowing me not only to,
(51:02):
to really understand what,
what the themes are this season
that are unique to previous seasons.
As I can, I think at this point with
Invincible, like we're
in the third season at this point, I'm
used to characters suddenly just going in a
circle and I feel like oddly
(51:25):
enough we're really
seeing these. Mark in
particular evolve and change
for better and for worse, but
continue to grow. Like, I don't feel
like his growth is stunted.
But.
>> Will (51:43):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think. Yeah, I'm glad you, I'm
glad you brought up that. The opening that. I think that
was with that cold open with
the third episode, that. That is what like really
sealed it for me as far as like, okay,
this shows moving in a direction that I, That
I, That I feel
(52:04):
it is a positive one.
because I felt that the second, the
second season, you know, we, we broke it up.
but it, it did feel like,
like, you know, I think there
were some moments where. And maybe that's why I think why we
stepped away from it. It would just seem like it was just sort of going. It
(52:24):
didn't really. Things weren't moving ahead much as
far as the plot. But this
one I feel. Yeah, you know, really
like you said, it just really captures the
the overarching themes of, of this,
of the season so far.
And what we're going to see, I think, you know, that. And, and that
we're going to see this season, and.
(52:46):
And. And using though using
that story of those two criminals who try to
reform in a desperation and they, they had success
and then, and then
at the end of the day they, they reverted back to their,
You know, what they know.
>> Sarah (53:04):
But they were like in a way
it's not just that they reverted back to it, it's that
you saw the. How
they were pushed yeah, like. Like the
forces were against them. And I
think that that's. That's where.
Where they, They're taking a very black
(53:26):
and white concept and worldview
that Mark has, and there's. They're shading the
gray and saying, like, it's not that simple.
Yeah.
>> Will (53:35):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (53:35):
Like, remember when, like,
someone broke your mom's arm and then you killed
him?
>> Will (53:41):
Yeah, yeah, that's. Yeah, that's. That's exactly right. That's
exactly right. Yeah. Because. Yeah. So.
Yeah. So I think that was just the brilliance of it. And that's where I was like, oh,
yeah, this. I'm really enjoying this, this season,
so far because of. Because of that. And.
And then of course, and. And we see that, you know,
throughout the rest of the episode as far as,
(54:03):
even a. Sort of a callback to season one.
Like whenever Mark, You know, when it did.
When Cecil like, used the, fail safe in his head.
and then once, the, they were able to disable it. But
then, you know, Mark went on a spree just like Nolan did,
with. With, you know, at least in the first season as Guardians of
the Globe. But then here was those reanimates.
(54:24):
But it was like, almost beat for beat what happened there.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (54:27):
So you even have, Rex
go on his. Like, they keep talking. I
thought. I thought you were. You were
changing, like, not cursing as much and not
being as much of a misogynist and all of
like, Like, Like Rex is. Rex is
growing on me where I don't. I don't
(54:48):
like, like he. He
actually played the part that I feel like they've been trying
to get him to play, where his comedy actually
worked because.
Was a humorous reflection of the
dramatic story beats that are currently at
play. in a bizarre way. And
(55:08):
I really like that. And I
mean, to your point, like, to have that cold
out open featuring
adults, like adults
to. To bookend it with the.
A child
out of desperation, out of
fear of losing his brother
(55:30):
and also just
like trying to stop the bad
guys. Kills.
Kills the bad guys in the end.
And that's that moment when
they. The Guardians walk in and he. It's
just Oliver standing there.
And also the blood. And you see
(55:53):
that throughout the episode too,
where these two characters,
who we meet in the beginning are two
characters who Oliver and Mark end
up facing off against. At one
point it looked like they were actually holding their own.
And then they realize how young
(56:14):
Oliver is.
>> Will (56:15):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (56:16):
And it's just like. It's like
so, like the
humanity that they were able to web into
those scenes allowed
what they were doing to be much more gray and
much more like pointing
out the,
Kind of the sadness and the loss of innocence,
(56:40):
that is at play.
>> Will (56:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Completely agree. Completely agree.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (56:46):
Why. Why did so. So. So
Oliver is gonna go by what name? It's
not gonna be Kid Omni Man.
And then Mark's now Invincible.
>> Will (57:03):
I thought that was so funny. It's just like he changed his
costume and everybody was like, oh, this. They
see him as dismissive as a
sidekick.
>> Sarah (57:13):
Yeah, yeah. And then at the end, they
also tease that Angstrom Levy
is, is watching and still
alive, in the background. Which I'm glad,
because I think you brought it up
earlier. Season two. I think season two.
Worst scheduling of a show I've ever
(57:33):
seen and experienced because of the two
halves. And that first half we spent so much
time building up Angstrom. And then
it was just like. Like, we're just like, We
were checked out because it was like, oh, what's the
point? But I'm glad that,
like, I feel like at this
point it's kind of worth it
(57:55):
because I can understand why without
that backstory, him and his
whole vendetta,
it wouldn't matter as much. And it would also
not be. Allow
as much
reflection, in Mark and his actions, that were.
(58:17):
That we're seeing. So. So.
>> Will (58:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the other thing
too, that, you know. You know, when you were talking about the
molded twins and. And
even, like, You know, going back to the first episode too,
with the, Dr. Sesmic, you know,
they. I. I like how they. They
bring these villains back and use them
in. In appropriate ways. Even, like, even
(58:42):
with the cracks, whenever, you know, seismic, like,
gives the shot to Eve and. And.
And Mark, as far as the sexist tropes and all that kind of
stuff, and then she fires back. She's like, you know, he's
just old, generic, super. You know, generic super villain. So, you
know, I like those little ins. In. In
story, like cracks of
(59:02):
humor, that, But also that, you know, there are
these ongoing characters,
you know, resurface in. In this. In this show just to like, you know,
basically show again just remind us of, like, the.
The. The. The world that
Invincible lives in. And, you know, he does have some
recurring villains. and it also just reinforces the
point too. Like, As far as, like, you
(59:25):
know, without. With Oliver was trying to understand,
like, why are you letting these Bad guys go all
the time. You know, why can't we just. Just kill them? So there's just so many,
you know, levels how, you know, Oliver's
questions and questioning Mark about
good versus evil and good guys versus bad
guys. and. And not take, you know,
not using these opportunities to stop these bad guys
(59:47):
once and for all. and. And Mark just.
Again, just having to reflect and. And, you
know, and remember the choice that he.
That he. That he always makes every time he uses his powers and
stopping these folks that know we're not. We're not. No killing. No
killing. So, you know,
so, you know, so again, it's just. For me, it's
(01:00:07):
just a nice way of this
storytelling. with. With this season
so far. how. How they. How
they've established, you know, these. These elements, you know,
come setting up and then. And then, of course, we still have
Alan and. And Nolan in the. In the prison.
They touched on a little bit, but, you know, they didn't spend too. Too much
(01:00:28):
time on it. and then, of course, you
know, and another thing, too, I did like with this.
With this. This block of episodes is, Debbie
and, you know, moving on with her life and, you know, having a relationship
with Will Polk and. But.
>> Sarah (01:00:44):
But also like, trying to be a mother to
Oliver. I. I, really like
that. Thank you for bringing up Debbie, because I really
do appreciate. I feel like,
she is so much more
stronger this season and.
Or ever since, the last few episodes of
(01:01:05):
season two where Oliver came into play. And
just. I always commend her because
of her clear love
for Oliver.
and just. I like how she's not the evil
stepmom. I like how she's not resentful
towards him. Like, there's just. There's a
(01:01:25):
beauty in that. and
how she's almost trying to
get things right with Oliver because she
feels like she made some mistakes with how she
handled Mark, when he was around
that age. So I. I really
appreciate that. M.
(01:01:46):
Yeah. Yeah. And we're. We're gonna
continue the discussion, not next
week. We. We got. We got a
tiny little film to talk about next week.
So. So we'll be back in two weeks with More
Invincible discussion.
>> Will (01:02:01):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah, I'm looking
forward to talking about More
Invincible and of course, yeah, we'll be back for paradise
next week. And, yeah, that little. That little film, that's
dropping this weekend. So, we'll give our
takes on Captain America 4.
>> Sarah (01:02:18):
Great new world order. I was gonna say Brave
New World, but no, it's New World Order.
>> Will (01:02:23):
Yeah, they have. They, you know, just like. Just. It's just like
the reshoots. They just. I've lost track of,
like. What's the subtitle for that damn film?
>> Sarah (01:02:33):
Yeah. Yeah. All right. On that note, Will, why
don't you tell our listeners where they can find you?
>> Will (01:02:38):
Yes, you can find me on all the socials at Will and
Polk. W I L L M M P.
>> Sarah (01:02:43):
O L K. And you can find me there, too at SJ Belmont M
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