September 8, 2025 • 70 mins
In this episode, Sarah Belmont and Will Polk celebrate Star Trek Day and dive into two big topics: the hauntingly powerful Sinners and Peacemaker Season 2, Episode 3, Another Rick Up My Sleeve. They explore how music shapes storytelling across K-Pop Demon Hunters, Wicked, and Sinners; dissect the layered history and allegory within Sinners; and debate pacing, character arcs, and multiverse storytelling in Peacemaker. Expect passionate critiques, unexpected connections, and a few laughs along the way.
Timestamps
0:00 Opening Banter & Star Trek Day News
4:44 Pop Culture Catch-Up: VMAs & Huntrix Moment
6:45 Music Across Three Films: K-Pop Demon Hunters, Wicked, & Sinners which leads to our Sinners Deep Dive: Allegory, Vampires, Music, and Controversial Scenes
46:45 Peacemaker Season 2 Episode 3 Review
1:07:18 Outro
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>> Will (00:00):
Music
>> Sarah (00:12):
Nerds. This is seen a nerd. I'm your host Sarah Belmont and with me
as always is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are
you doing tonight, Will?
>> Will (00:20):
Doing very well, Sarah. I hope you're doing well my friend. And happy
Star Trek Day.
>> Sarah (00:25):
So, so this is
Star Trek Day because. Anniversary.
>> Will (00:32):
Yeah. So on September 8,
1966 the first
episode aired on NBC.
So that's why it's Star Trek Day. Even
though if you really want, but technically if you want
to be really like anal about it, let's do it.
Let's do it. Yeah. So September 6th should
be star Trek Day because it actually aired
(00:54):
in Canada first.
>> Sarah (00:56):
Oh. Why?
>> Will (00:58):
Yeah, yeah it was just
how things that's how this network did it.
>> Sarah (01:04):
But that's hilarious.
>> Will (01:06):
Yeah, yeah. but but the
show did premiere on September 8th so of course
folks probably seeing all the, all the things on,
on Social today as far as from Paramount
and they did announce do a quick little you know,
since normally, you know we usually try to have a little bit of
nerd news. So this will be my nerd news
segment for the, for the week. so a couple things.
(01:29):
So it's the 59th, 59th anniversary. next
year will be the 60th anniversary. They
announced today that the kickoff, the 60th anniversary
celebration, things are going to be.
Star Trek is going to participate in the, in the Rose bowl
parade in Pasadena. there's also
a new animated show which is
(01:51):
funny. I did a Star Trek
commentary this week on you know,
what does Star Trek need to do to feel relevant and stay
relevant as we move forward and especially given that
there's you know, there's old head
fans who are just, you know, it's
funny, they sound like a lot of people did like they
sounded like my parents did when the Next Generation came out in
(02:13):
1987. When people like complain about strange new worlds
and discovery and lower decks and all the new track that's on Paramount plus
now. But I, you know, but I, I did a video,
you know, check it out where I do talk about
what I, what are my five things that I think
Star Trek needs to do to remain relevant. One of the things that that came out
today that does, that kind of touched on one of the points that
(02:34):
I made was they announced a
animated show that's going to be on YouTube that
will be that will be focused
on preschool on younger viewers, preschoolers. And
you know one of the things I did talk about was this diversification of the
platform. And so this again this is you
know, opening the door for, for a new generation
(02:55):
of fans. And you know they've done this a little bit
too with Star Trek Prodigy that came out a few years ago.
but unfortunately it only has only had two
seasons before. It was only on, on Paramount.
Plus for one season it got canceled. Netflix thankfully picked it
up. So there was that there was also
a podcast, audio drama
(03:15):
that premiered today as well. It's called
Star Trek Khan which is chronicling
the period after Captain
Kirk Sentence Khan
to Seti Alpha 5 where he after
he tried to steal the Enterprise after they woke him up from the sleeper
ship. And it's chronicling the period
(03:36):
before the movie the Wrath of Khan. So the first
episode dropped today. Listen to it. Really, really good.
I, I really liked it. I'll probably do a little, a little commentary
about it later this week. and then
let's see. Also Star Trek is finally getting Legoed,
so there is a Star Trek Lego
adventure coming out as well. And so
(03:57):
So yeah, so those are some of the things that that dropped here on
Star Trek day. Of course it obviously was a little, I
think it was sort of like the, you know there's a lot of, there were some cool
things that were released but I think everything really is going to just
really lead up to the big six. 60th
anniversary, celebrations that will drop next year. So I could
only imagine what, what all
(04:18):
they have in store and you know, as far as the original cast, I
mean there's you know, think, you know, thankfully William Shatner and
George Decay and Walter K. Nic are still with us. So hopefully they'll
be able to make it to next year for the, you know, for the
60th celebration. Speaking of George.
Okay. He's also, yeah. He's also in the Star Trek Con
audio drama playing Captain Sulu. So.
>> Sarah (04:38):
Okay. Okay.
>> Will (04:39):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (04:39):
Okay, cool.
>> Will (04:40):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (04:41):
did you see huntrix at
the VMAs last night?
>> Will (04:46):
I did not. I was.
>> Sarah (04:50):
No, I just.
>> Will (04:51):
It's football. It's football season.
>> Sarah (04:53):
No, no, I totally understand but every now
and you surprise me when you mention little
things like you saw and you know, I didn't not
like I watched them or anything, but I did see
the three actresses, they,
they they were one of the award
announcers and one of them,
(05:15):
you you know, in the movie where they're
talking like introducing each member of
Huntrix. And there's the one who's, like,
at the, the Met gala in a
sleeping bag, like, wearing a.
Well, one of the actresses. Her outfit
was very clearly inspired by
that. It was very cool. It was
(05:37):
very cool.
>> Will (05:38):
Yeah. I'll have to. I'll, have to go check, out the socials on that
to, to see it, because I'm sure it's everywhere.
>> Sarah (05:44):
Yeah.
>> Will (05:44):
Surprised see it? I'm surprised I didn't see it.
>> Sarah (05:47):
Yeah.
>> Will (05:47):
On. On Instagram or this morning when I was, like,
waiting to get my driver's license renewed.
>> Sarah (05:53):
I. I know. I know you had all the time in the world today
to randomly see that, but.
Yeah, but I just. I. I wanted to mention
that, it's not like they performed or anything,
but, I swear, if I
hear golden one more time, that song, I just hear
one second of it, and it'll get stuck in my head.
>> Will (06:13):
Yeah, Yeah, I. Yeah, I did. Yeah,
I had to, It's still on my playlist, but I.
I had to, like, hit a few other things on the algorithm to, like,
not, have it, like, come up, like, every time.
Every time I, like, turn my Spotify on.
>> Sarah (06:28):
Right, right.
You have to outsmart technology.
It's so hard. but on that
topic, because we are. Because
I finally watch Sinners,
and where I want to start this
conversation, because we will get into the movie, but
(06:48):
something. Something that I just thought was so
interesting
was. And. And this tells
me, like, we watch these things when we're
supposed to, because for the last three
weeks, we've been catching up on things
that we have missed technically over the last
two years. mainly movies.
(07:11):
And, the three that we
started with, all in very
different ways, are.
And honestly, in my opinion, the
biggest strengths of each of these movies is the
music themselves. Yet they use
it so differently that
it just struck me as being
(07:33):
very, fascinating. and just
proves that, yes,
movie and, TV and film, they're visual
mediums, but the.
There. There is something to be said
for how things are scored,
which, in this case, mark my
words, the composer. I'm blanking on his
(07:56):
name, who scored Sinners, he's gonna get another Oscar.
>> Will (08:01):
Ludwing Gorrenson yeah.
>> Sarah (08:02):
He won for Black Panther, right?
>> Will (08:05):
I believe so, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's pro. He's
prolific. I mean, he. Him. Michael
Giancano. I mean, they. Yeah, I mean, they're just,
>> Sarah (08:14):
Well, but.
>> Will (08:15):
But, yeah, definitely, like.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (08:19):
Yeah. So. So between
that, and then what we
were just talking about with K Pop Demon Hunters
and their use of music to tell
a different kind of fable. But, but
the fact that their, their
characters are the singers and so the
(08:39):
story that they were trying to tell had more to do
with being that kind of star.
and then in between you have
Wicked, which is based on a Broadway play.
And we were talking about that last week about how
there is, there is that. That it
can be hard to do to
(09:01):
really bring to life a musical
that's made for the stage to the
screen. So it just,
it's
that similarity in three very
different movies.
But I don't know if when you were re watching
(09:22):
and you were thinking about on what we've been
reflecting on what we've covered over the last few weeks, if you
also had kind of like Oh, that's
interesting.
>> Will (09:32):
Yeah. Yeah. So you know, so
I did in full disclosure, I did watch Sinners earlier
this year when it dropped. but I, I did
have you know it's funny because I did not
look at the
rundown but I had a similar thing
fault. But whenever. When I did look at our Mandel, I
(09:53):
saw you had put on their.
This very, very good point. How music
was used in these. In these show. In
these three movies and, and you know, and
just how they are as far as you
know, how it reflects this era and a community that,
that where you know, K Pop Demon
(10:14):
Hunters was really like a you know, modern, you know, globalized
youth culture. You know, Wicked, as you noted,
it's a Broadway inspired musical, you
know, you know, rooted in both
classical and you know, modern musical m
theater and the center is you know, is that
gospel and blues tradition, you know, tied
(10:34):
to African American spirituality and
folk history and you know, and it's just you know one of the things
how we just you know how what we've talked about in the prior two
films and I'm sure we'll talk about tonight, it's just how
how music shapes and it shapes
identity and, and also just how
it can express
(10:55):
emotions and power and things like that. Like you know I think about K
Pop Demon Hunters it was you know. You know,
it was you know becomes
music is a part of act of both
unity and even rebellion at some points. And
how pop culture becomes you know, literal,
literally a weapon to be used to defeat
(11:15):
evil.
at least as far as you know, Huntrick's taking
down. At least that's what. That's my perception of it. I'm sure you have
some thoughts as well.
>> Sarah (11:25):
No, no, no, I agree with you. Like, they.
They tell that story
through the perspective of hunk. So
like the music, the strength of the
fans allows for
this protection to occur.
maybe making sure the demons don't break further
(11:46):
into the world and to really shield
and protect this community that they have
while. While in sinners.
it is. It is more used.
Well, it is used like that.
but it also,
it calls to
(12:07):
the. The vampires. It's the siren
song that attracts them,
to that. To that place.
And Honestly, we don't get
a lot of detail about why or how, but
that's. That's neither here nor there. So.
So it's more of an attraction of the power
(12:28):
and the talent. while, While,
Hunt tricks, it's. It's the defense. So
centers it's offense and then, Hunt
tricks, it's defense.
>> Will (12:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And
also. Yeah, and I know centers will get into it
as more too as well, because I think. I
think as far as what the vampires,
you know, there's multi. I mean there's been multiple thought pieces on
what they represent and stuff. And I know we'll touch on some. Some of
that as far as.
>> Sarah (12:58):
Well, go ahead. I ain't holding you back.
>> Will (13:01):
No, no, no, I want. No, I wanna. I wanna
know. I don't want to jump right to that because there's more. We gotta set
it all up before we get to that.
>> Sarah (13:08):
Oh, no, yeah.
Okay. Well, go ahead.
>> Will (13:14):
Yeah, no, I mean, I think, Well, I. I wanna. We. You
know, one last thing on this point about the three movies
and as far as just shaping things, I do want to. We all. I
know we talked about Wick and
And you know, it. The other thing that I think
as far as the comp. You know, maybe a
commonality with all three is the
(13:36):
You know, it does. The music is that vehicle,
for personal, transformation
for. For our All. All our. Our lead characters
in some form or fashion with you know, a commonality.
Common thread through these three films. So that.
That was just a, you know, just to put a bow on that.
On that point, you know, with. With. With those three
(13:56):
films. And to your point, as far as just, you
see, watching things
together, watching. It's funny how sometimes things just
sort of serendipity where we
pull these types of threads together with,
With. With some of the items we discuss
here on the podcast. So, But yeah, But yeah,
(14:19):
let's. Let's. Let's. Let's do. Turn to. Turn to Centers
proper. and just you know, just
sort of the whole story of. Of
Smoke, and Stack and the two. The two
brothers and you know, to your.
You know, so you know, of course they, you know,
had left their hometown, gone up
(14:40):
from, you know, 1930 to Mississippi
Delta, go up to Chicago
and
you know, do their thing as far as, you know, working for
the mob and some other stuff. Basically like
take. Come back home with this
grand plan and of. Of setting up the juke
(15:01):
joint and. And some of the lessons learned in
the. In the big city and. And also
you know, getting to the point about now we'll bring
up the vampires and You know
what. So sort of some of the allegory that they were
were discussing because one of the things that was brought
up with when Smoke, and Stack were
(15:21):
talking to their. Talking to their cousin,
Sammy was how
Chicago and the south, even though, you know,
Sammy was talking about Jim Crow not being up there
and, and Jim Crow laws and all that kind of
stuff. And you know, one of the things that stuck out with me,
early. Early in the film was
(15:41):
the line how, you know, even though they were
in Chicago, you know, it was just. Even
though Jim Crow wasn't officially there, it was
just, you know, they still
had the same, you know the thing of white
supremacy and stuff was. And Was. Was there.
It's just. Just there with tall buildings instead of
(16:02):
Instead of, you know, the, the think the.
The visual cues that we got in 1932,
Mississippi where you know, folks are, you know, picking. Caught,
you know, pick a cotton and sharecropping and You know,
and, and. And and you know, and
how. Where I was going to go with the
vampires is, you know, it is
(16:22):
whenever they do show up at the juke joint
late, you know, in mid film, and
you know, wanted to sing their song, you know, wanted to sing
songs and try to, you know, fit in and stuff.
There are a couple levels to that one. Yeah. I mean
there's, you know, obviously they do.
They. They are white. but.
(16:43):
But also in the context of the time
they, you know, Irish folks, you know, were. Were
you know, immigrants and you know there
was a. Still another. There was still was a pecking order and
so yeah, they may be a little bit higher than the pecking order
for the African Americans, but they were even
still in. In the social class of the time,
(17:03):
Irish folks were still looked down upon.
So. So, you know, so those were
some levels that I did think. You
know what I thought really Worked really well with
Sinners is, you know, was it just
the traditional black and white? You
know? Yeah, it was there, but there were also. There
(17:24):
were a lot of subtext and levels to what was
going on in, in this story beyond it
being just a, just a horror film.
>> Sarah (17:32):
Right. Well,
I don't really. This to me it's not a horror film at
all.
>> Will (17:38):
Yeah, it's not.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (17:42):
Like, like we, like
so last week when we. After the show
when we were talking about what movie to cover,
and there's two. There was two. And
it, we. And, and I, and
I asked Will, I'm like, how scary is Sinners?
Because I, I just, I don't do
(18:03):
horror. I don't do horror. And Will at
one point said okay, we
won't do it.
You set me up.
Like, I was like, okay, I'm I'm not. And
then like the first hour I'm like, what the. The
was Will talking about? I'm so
(18:23):
confused here. Like, but, but I
also, I, I knew way too much about this
movie going into it and so
a lot of it I was like,
I just. And it wasn't like I was waiting for the
vampires. No, the, the story that they tell
in the first, The first. And arguably the
(18:44):
first half of the second act is, Is
really engaging and it does create,
create a In, in
that time they manage to within a
day, really get you to
understand this community, how it
works, how these people are
(19:07):
interwoven together, what the relationships
are. And, and, and so you, you,
you build that and then you introduce
that, that other element that
causes a wrinkle. And arguably
everyone's plans. I mean even the
KKK got screwed over at the end. I mean
thankfully, but still, like their
(19:29):
plan was out the window moment the vampire showed
up. So but this,
this isn't a horror movie. And you. Something that you
also said to me, me last week, you said,
well it's not really scary, but it messes with your
head. And, and Will, I slept like a
baby. Nothing messed with my head.
(19:50):
so, so now you know, on the scale
of what I can handle horror wise,
like, like I'm good with sinners
there really it gets into
what creeps me out the most is. And what I really
cannot handle is demon possession. I
just, I can't do it. I can't do it. granted there are a
(20:11):
few exceptions every now and then, but very rare, very
rare. and, and so no, we will never
be covering a conjuring Movie because I will. I
refuse. I refuse to watch any of those. I will.
Yeah. Yeah. So don't worry.
>> Will (20:25):
Don't worry. I'm not going to. I'm not. I'm not going to press
to, to cover a country movie. And, and like I said,
I, you know, I, I
knew when I, when I was saying that it maybe mess
with your head. it was more like I said. I,
you know, I know you're.
We've had many conversations off the
(20:46):
line as far as like, you know, horror and,
and all. And yes, there, you know, I didn't
know like, you know, see for example,
for the traditional vampire elements that
did happen in this film, I didn't know
if that would be something that would get to you,
or not. So.
>> Sarah (21:05):
Right. Right.
>> Will (21:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah
yeah. And yeah, there were a few jump scares. I mean a
few. But nothing. But nothing. Like
>> Sarah (21:15):
I didn't jump at all people. Yeah, I did
it.
>> Will (21:18):
Well, attempted. Yeah. I mean,
yeah. I mean I guess for
me, I will say it even the second time. I think
some of the initial flashbacks with Sammy when
he like bust in the church at the beginning.
and, and so sort of the flashbacks to,
to the night night before. you know. Well,
(21:39):
yeah, yeah. I mean maybe
jump scare. Maybe might not be the,
the right word but term for it.
>> Sarah (21:47):
No, there were. There. There were like
clear as day. That was Ryan's intention
was to cause a jump scare very much.
This whole snake thing and how it was
edited. I'm just. I just outsmarted with
him because I, I saw the signs so I wasn't looking.
>> Will (22:05):
Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. And again, I mean
that's the other thing too is upon.
For me. It was the
second time watching it. I've definitely
knowing what I know about the film.
It was, it was
the. I was able to dial you
(22:27):
know when, when the moments did happen. Like when for example, when
the Chocolate Indians, Native Americans came to,
to that. To that house, when they were chasing down
remicks. I mean there were, there were like. They were like the
nice. I was able to really appreciate the
details that I wasn't. You know, obviously, you know,
now that I'm familiar with the story now I can really
(22:47):
get immersed in like what's. What else is happening here. So
like you know, little things like the ravens flying around and just being a
harbinger for death and, and, and then
just, and, and you know, getting back to our earlier point about
the music. I you know, it. This.
The score blew me Away the first time around. M.
But this time, around
(23:08):
it was even more so. Especially like
the scene, where, When.
I mean, there are two. Obviously there are two big moments. The one
obviously is where Sammy's, playing.
the first, you know, whenever he gets introduced to the crowd in the juke
joint and they have the. Have the,
Moment where they literally go through time,
(23:29):
as far as the different style in a
different eras. And he's piercing the veil
of time and space and music and everything
that really. Even more so
seeing all.
All of that and like the, you know, some of the other,
you know, some of the cultural things that
(23:49):
I missed M. In other cultures that I saw the first
time around. But really I was like, oh, yeah, now I. You know, I see. I saw.
There's a lot more this time around. And then. But
the scene, the next one where,
Where the young lady that Sammy hooked up with. I forgot
her. I can't remember her name.
Yeah. Yeah. But whenever. Whenever
(24:10):
she was. They. Whenever they were beating the dude up in the back
and. And the, It hit me
the first. When I watched it the first time. It. It was.
I. It worked. Then it even
m. More so this time as far as. Just like how.
How the dance, how the beats, how the. How
they were beaten up to dude. Everything just really. This.
(24:32):
Really, really just. Just the visceral nature of
it and the. And the power of again of music,
to tell a story and, For, you know,
where there is a good thing or bad things happening. You
know, it. It really, you know, really
reflected that. And again, it just really gets to the heart of, like.
While Ludwig, as we were saying, this is such a
(24:53):
tremendous composer who probably will get nominated again
for an Academy Award for this.
>> Sarah (24:57):
No, he's gonna win.
>> Will (24:58):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (24:59):
Yeah, he's gonna win. so I like
how you talk. Brought up probably in the most
controversial scene, in the movie
and didn't let me talk, but. Okay.
No, the. The most controversial scene in the
movie, is that section
where Sammy pierces the veil. and
(25:21):
it's controversial not because of the sound but because of
the visuals. And, for me, it didn't work.
I'm just gonna call a spade a spade. It
didn't work visually.
it just. Honestly,
that scene took me out. Like,
it didn't pull me in sonically.
(25:42):
I was like, there. Visually.
I was like, what the heck? What? This. This.
It just. I. And. And I
hate to deliver criticism when I can't
say this is what they should have done, and I
don't have that. I don't know how you do that any
other way. So at the. Even though I'm
(26:02):
criticizing it, I also
can't say for sure, like, if. If there
was another way to depict what he was
trying to both visually and
sonically. so because
sonically it worked so much that
a part of me just was like, okay, I want to shut my eyes
and just hear it, because I could hear every
(26:25):
single change and the melding, and it was
beautiful visually. I was
just. It wasn't matching
as gracefully as it was
audible. So.
And that's why that disconnect
took me out of it. And I. From what I understand,
I think arguably some of the other. Other
(26:48):
audiences, it. It might have had this similar
effect. but yeah.
>> Will (26:53):
Oh, go ahead, go ahead.
>> Sarah (26:55):
No, no, I mean that. That was my point.
>> Will (26:58):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (26:59):
So I'm glad it worked for you and for others,
but it really didn't work for me.
>> Will (27:04):
So was it like when you saw like the hip hop? I mean,
what, what, what element.
>> Sarah (27:09):
No, right. It was, it was all of it.
Like, I, I understand like they, they
bring forward like the ghosts of
the past and the present, like, or the future
all combined. I just,
it stuck out too much.
Like, I think the clothing and.
(27:30):
And arguably the dance styles, like, it
just felt. I don't know, there.
It didn't gel the way it.
It should have to really mirror what
was going on sonically.
>> Will (27:45):
Yeah, I, I hear that. And
you know, as. As we. I think
to hearing what you just said there and thinking about
what Remick. What his
goal was, as far as
his. Some of his motivations are, you know, wanting
Sammy's. Sammy's voice and Sammy's soul.
(28:06):
I, I think linking those two
together, I think is where it, you
know, as far as like that. That
timeless nature of just
like to your point about sound and, and the
auditory experience of just when you real.
When. When a song or something just really, really just hits
(28:27):
your soul. I think that. I
think that's where it maybe, Like you said, maybe if you
like, if you just close your eyes and stuff and not watch the,
the right of it. Yeah, so I, I see what
you're. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (28:41):
I mean, I mean, remix motivation was
clear. Clear. And they set it up from the very beginning
when you even hear about like the
guillots, I think they call them. And that's what,
that's what Sammy is. And,
And. And you can hear it and they, they tease it
also when he's in the car with Stack.
And. And he sings Traveling Ah
(29:03):
or something. and. And you. You hear the
start and then. And. And then it
just worked. And maybe what really was
irritating is it was working so much.
And then you started to see specifically
the ghosts of the future.
You're just like. You're like, wow. we.
(29:24):
We don't necessarily need. I mean,
arguably there could have been cuts
to the future rather than inserting
them in the hall itself, because.
Or did he even need to show it? Could you just
have done it through the sound? Because
the sound was there and the melding.
(29:45):
And then on top of that,
I like how they knew they could do that.
And so later, when it is
Remick and he's doing the Irish
version of that, which bleeds into a metal
section. It's. It's very.
It's. It's very much like,
wow. It takes you on a journey.
(30:09):
and. And it is
powerful. It is like.
Like you're. You don't know. It.
It disconnects you from time and space.
but then when I. When I see people in
wearing, like, 90s
outfits and, I'm just like.
>> Will (30:29):
No, I'll have to go.
Yeah, yeah, I hear you. I hear you. I agree. I mean.
Yeah. And, you know, probably if I go back and, like,
list, because I know we, had. Whenever my wife
and I did a. We, did a discussion on it here,
and, you know, I. I have
to go back and watch because I, you know, I might have been like you the
(30:50):
first time around where it didn't work.
Or maybe it didn't work for her either. because of what.
What you just said, as far as the visual aspect of it.
and. And I. I think that is a very fair point. I mean, I.
Yeah, I don't. I don't think you're wrong.
Right. With that. With that critic, that critique there.
and I don't even considered a criticism. I think it's a very fair critique
(31:10):
of that scene.
>> Sarah (31:12):
Yeah, Yeah, I,
It. There's not much to criticize in this movie. I
mean, it's a good movie. It's well made.
it's well made because
it felt so old
school, which I loved. I
was watching it and I was just like, this
(31:34):
reminds me of movies that were
made when I was a kid.
And it just. There's something in the structure
of it. And it's also beautiful. The
cinematographer on this movie.
Oscar nomination. Because,
like, the Cotton
(31:55):
Fields.
>> Will (31:56):
Oh, yeah.
>> Sarah (31:57):
Were the. The. I've never
seen them look that way.
And, and I've told you this before when you can
pause a movie. and there's plenty
of times specifically in those cotton fields when you
pause the, the movie and it's like, well, that's a
painting right there. Because
the, the, the white popped
(32:19):
in such a way I've never seen before.
And, and there
I, I told you about Landman when I watched
it earlier this year. Right? Yeah. Season two
is coming, coming this fall. But and I
talked to you about how it was
fascinating to watch because
(32:41):
like Texas is huge, but
there's a barrenness there.
And I, while watching this movie,
in the Deep south in Mississippi,
it felt barren,
you know, and it just, and it was interesting for
me, who. I've never been to the, the south, but
(33:04):
I've, I also like view
coming from the biggest state in the U.S.
i know barren landscape. And
so like that, that
baroness felt there. I,
I think it was more not to
capture that. That
(33:25):
landscape, but more so the
isolation of the plantation
itself.
>> Will (33:32):
Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. yeah, that's,
you know, that's, that's a awesome point that you just made
there. yeah. And
yeah, because you're right. I mean it does,
it does such, does such a
wonderful like job framing everything.
and as far as the time period.
(33:55):
and, and to your point, I mean it, it
visually, it speaks to what is going on during
this time. Better than any
exposition could ever do.
>> Sarah (34:06):
Well, I, I think there's a lot of
exposition in this, in this movie. But the
brilliance of the writing is it doesn't feel, feel
like exposition position. It
feels like natural conversations where pieces of
information and motivations are being
explained very plainly.
so, so it's like,
(34:29):
like I, I think all the pieces, it's, it's
a machine. Everything's working together.
and, and that's why this movie
received the praise and adoration that it
did. for that and for numerous
reasons. The, the other thing
that I'm, I'm just gonna call out right now.
(34:50):
Miles. Captain, where have you been?
>> Will (34:53):
Yep.
>> Sarah (34:54):
And I love you because you stole this
movie from Michael B. Jordan.
Oh my God. Also, also,
what is with the voice? Every
single time I was like, I was like, the
voice ain't matching the face, but I'm not
mad at it. But it's also like, I'm not
(35:15):
talking just about his singing voice. No, his,
his everyday voice. I'm like,
really? That's fascinating.
>> Will (35:24):
Yeah, yeah. I you know, I do
live in the south and, and, and, and
so his voice, I
mean, and it just, every, just. And
also Delo. I mean even, I mean even
Michael B. Jordan. I mean there were, there were just. I,
I felt like I was like when I was watching this film, a lot of times
(35:45):
I felt like I was going back to my youth
hearing, hearing like the great uncles and you
know, the cookout and like it
just, it just, it brought back,
and it brought back a lot of like
memories and you know, when they're talking about the catfish
and I mean, so there's just, so there were just
so many elements of this film that
(36:07):
felt authentic. And I think that's another
thing that makes this movie work.
Yeah, especially the first. For, especially the first.
In particular the first
half of it. you know,
it's just that, the authenticity and, and
like you said as well, it's just like. I loved what
(36:29):
you said. I mean it did, you know, it was so nice because it
wasn't an original story that
was told and, and, and
so to me that in
like the cotton fields and stuff, I mean, I think, you know, it's again
hearing stories about my grandmother and things my great
grandmother told me about her picking cotton
and, and you know, so there were just so many
(36:52):
things in it that, you know, that I'm only a
few. We're only a few, you know, only a few generations removed from that. But still
there was, I still have, you know, there was a emotional
connection to this film I think that also made it work
so that even when it did the turn to more of
the other, which I, I
will say
(37:12):
I did, you know, it's a. I, do enjoy the
film. But when it did go into the,
the normal,
the vampire stuff and all those other things it did,
it lost a little bit of momentum for me. because I
think it's just the first half of it was just so powerful for
just reasons I just talked about here that when
(37:32):
it transitioned over to that other, the other. The back half
of the story, it was cool, I
enjoyed it. But it just, you know, it just felt like,
Yeah, I just felt like, okay, I'm back. Back to like what? I'm back
to just the usual rote storytelling of
like the scary movie. And, and, but then of
course the, the ending,
(37:53):
brought it back. Well, there are a couple. Well, the
ending with, with Michael B. With, with, with
smoke taking out the clan and all that kind of stuff, it was just like a
kick ass moment.
>> Sarah (38:06):
The epilogue ending.
>> Will (38:08):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (38:09):
No, no, no, I'm I'm calling that the
epilogue ending because
it felt like the movie was over. And then all of a
sudden you got the KKK showing up and you're just like,
you're like, oh, we're still, we're still doing this. Okay.
But yeah, but yeah, looking
at it in terms of the twins,
(38:31):
you got the, the movie, you got two love
stories going on. and so
it makes sense. And, and I told
Will this earlier, but no, this is
my first time watching the movie. But when the movie first
came out, I did watch the mid credits scene
on Tick Tock. So
(38:51):
I already knew. I already knew.
Which, which is another reason why I think the third
act is kind of the weakest act. Just because, because
I, I still want to. I still want an
explanation of how Mary specifically
made it out alive. M. And didn't
go into the sun like everyone else.
(39:11):
so there was, there's some, there's
some things that were not explained fully. But.
But back to what I was trying to get at is,
the two love stories,
they kind of, they definitely
foreshadow ultimately
how those two end. and,
and the. Because it makes
(39:34):
sense. Like what?
Like Mary Marion Stack,
they can't be together because.
Because she is too white. Okay.
And she is with a white man now. And
that. That's the only way to keep her safe and everything.
But now they have. Now as vampires, they
(39:54):
can be together because they have that power.
So they sacrificed the sun
and, and they have immortality
and all of that, but they can be together at
the end of the day in that tortured state.
So it's very interesting. And then
Smoke, having already
(40:15):
killed Annie because that's what she said to do
when she got bit. he then
gets to basically follow her into the
afterlife where they get to be with their,
With their child that they lost. And that was the
reason why. Why he left along
with his brother. Like. So
(40:35):
I. Something that the
movie marketing did not really
explain or,
or showcase. and one of the surprises
were those two love stories, that
ran out throughout the movie and those
relationships that, And
(40:56):
that was more than just
Haley Seinfeld. Okay.
so. So yeah, yeah, it's
Yeah, anyways.
>> Will (41:07):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think the, the two love
stories, to your point, with the
epilogue ending and, and the mid
credit. Yeah, those,
yeah. Getting that payoff, of. Of the, of those
stories, was a pleasant surprise,
given, given how, like I said,
whenever. Whenever they do have the big
(41:29):
showdown with Remic and all that Kind of stuff, you know. Yeah, I
mean, yeah, it had to happen. and yeah, they you know, and,
and the, the KKK coming back and having
the big shootout and everything. it was,
it was, yeah, it was a kick ass moment. It was a,
but it was also, it was the
it was the fitting in for Smoke, so that
(41:50):
he could, that was you know,
to you know, given that that was his way of just
getting freedom from, from this mortal
plane and all the things that he was doing, you know, all basically
the 1930s south. and, and
so, you know, so he definitely had his freedom, which,
you know, but, and then to your point, like you said,
yeah, Mary and Stack are
(42:13):
free in some regards, but they're also still
imprisoned in this state
where they can't enjoy it. Cannot enjoy
son. And, and Stack, well, you know, can never.
And both Smoke, both, Both, you know,
do, you know, lose,
lose each other, as far as their
relationship. So. Yeah. So you know, so I guess in
(42:35):
stacks standpoint, I mean it was kind of a
mix to me. It was maybe a mixed,
mixed, mixed, mixed blessing, I guess.
>> Sarah (42:44):
Well, I mean, yes,
it's, it's a mixed blessing when he put it that way. But when we
see him in the like six,
60 years later in 1992
at the end of the movie with Mary,
it seems they're doing just fine.
>> Will (43:03):
I can't go.
>> Sarah (43:04):
Yeah, yeah. It doesn't, it
doesn't seem like they're tortured
is what I'm getting at. Like this was,
this is a curse. It seems like they have made
peace with, with it. and, and it also
seems like Suddenly vampires in
92 are not just bloodthirsty
(43:24):
hungry all the time because
I, I, I also don't know the,
like how suddenly they are much more
demore. Demur. Demore.
>> Will (43:36):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean they, yeah, yeah.
yeah, because they, I guess with whenever they do
approach Sammy and it give Sammy the choice.
You're right. I mean they are more chill.
>> Sarah (43:50):
It is there, there's, it's not just that they
didn't kill Sammy. It's that there were other people
that they could have killed. And, and it's just,
I don't know, it felt like
the way we were introduced to how the vampire
hunger worked, like they were insatiable.
>> Will (44:08):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (44:08):
Okay. And then we, we go into the future
and suddenly they're just like, yeah, we, we ate
earlier.
>> Will (44:15):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (44:17):
I don't understand.
>> Will (44:21):
Yeah, but I, I, but to that end, to that
end, with, with the, with Sammy
and and you know, again, give, given, given
the choice. I mean, I do love how at
the end of the day, you know, they, they, they offer it to
him. you know,
and choice was really
(44:41):
like another big thing that was in this, that
was in this film. Like, you know, when we first get the start with
Sammy and his father, you know, preacher boy,
you know, it was, you know, he made a choice to,
you know, to like, you know, with the whole
religion, you know, with, with religion and, and the
whole notion of sin and you know, and all that kind of
(45:02):
stuff. You know, Sammy made a choice. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go play
in this juke joint. I wanna. And then whenever
he had a choice later to you know, for m.
Immortality, he's like, you know what? I have,
I've had a good life. You know,
I, I'm good with this. And, and so
even when you do get that, when you do get that
(45:23):
in that post credit, at the very end
where you know, where we see Sammy singing,
this Little Light of Mine, which was again another like bookend,
from that they had, with the beginning of the
film and the end of the film and he kind of looks up. I mean it
just. We see what
I think it, it, to me it
(45:45):
made that moment in the mid credit
payoff. Whenever we, we see the choice that he made all those
years ago. He may not go on the route that his father,
that his father wanted him to as
far as what his father envisioned. But Sammy made his own
peace with fate, God, religion, whatever
you want to call it. and, and whenever death was
upon him, he was like I'm, I've made my decision.
(46:07):
And he was, and he was at peace with it.
At least that's my take on it.
>> Sarah (46:14):
Anything else?
>> Will (46:16):
No, I, I don't, I don't think so. I think we think
we covered a lot of ground with this film.
I'm sure there's even more. I mean there's huge, there's think pieces
that, that, that still come out about the belt centers. But
no, I'm glad we, I'm glad we, I'm glad we covered it.
>> Sarah (46:31):
All right.
>> Will (46:31):
I really want to hear your thoughts on it. So I'm glad, I'm glad you finally watched
it.
>> Sarah (46:37):
And All right, that brings us to
Peacemaker Season 2, episode 3. Another
Rick up my sleeve as Peacemaker receives
praise as a hero. He uses the alternate dimension
to deep. Deepen his bond with Harcourt.
Meanwhile, economists faces
criticism from for the mission's failure.
(46:57):
this opens with a
flashback in our world
to Harcourt, and Rick
Flag being together and
not, not Senior, the young one who got
killed, murdered by
Peacemaker. So, so
this was not explained to us at all in season
(47:19):
one, Correct.
>> Will (47:22):
About. Oh, as far. No,
no.
>> Sarah (47:25):
I mean, yeah, yeah. Rick. Rick Flag and
Hardcore being a thing before
the Suicide Squad.
No. Okay. And so the
reason why
Hardcore, it's never been brought up is because
Hardcore supposedly does not know
that Peacemaker killed Rick.
>> Will (47:49):
Yeah. Which it seems weird to me because.
>> Sarah (47:51):
Yes.
>> Will (47:53):
Yeah. But. But then again,
then again, I mean in the last episode with when Rick
Senior wanted to see the, See the file, I guess they have
kind of kept what happened in Corto Corporal Matisse.
>> Sarah (48:06):
And, and with that I call it
convenience. Convenience.
Because she throughout season one is
like the right hand of the general
and is in control all this information. And
throughout this season it's like, oh, poor
me, I got kicked out of Argus, where I
was somebody and I had a job and I had all this information
(48:28):
and so you, you didn't. You have yet to
piece together that Peacemaker killed
your ex. like there.
I don't, if they use that,
I don't buy it. I did. To me, to
me it's very, very thin. What made
makes more sense is when I was watching this episode
(48:49):
specifically when Harcourt was having her girl chat
with Abadayo
Abadio, she. There was
some looks and you could, you could see
that clearly Hardcore is withholding information
about why she can't be with
Chris. Right.
>> Will (49:07):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (49:08):
And I while watching it
was more thinking it's because
you have yet to tell him that he
killed your ex boyfriend.
>> Will (49:19):
Yeah, yeah. I took it that way too, too.
>> Sarah (49:21):
Yeah, that's how I interpreted it.
>> Will (49:24):
Yeah. yeah, I took it that she knows
especially whenever we think back to the season one,
whenever she first meets Chris at at his
trailer.
And so, so, and maybe at that
point she did not know that.
>> Sarah (49:41):
Maybe at one point she didn't know, but then
she realized it. But the. You can't.
I, I, I can't. If she
never knew, then the
character is gone for me.
>> Will (49:55):
Yeah. No, I think your point. No, I think,
I think in between
things are going well with them and I think, I think, I think
you're, you hit it. Right. she realized, you know, she got
access to the file or whatever. And
what, and, and so when that
happened, that's where things went sideways with
her and Chris and at least in Earth one.
>> Sarah (50:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. And that will.
>> Will (50:22):
What I said, and at some point during. Over
the next five episodes, we'll get. Probably.
That'll probably be the most likely explanation.
>> Sarah (50:31):
Yeah. Yeah. There has to be. She. She
has to know. I. I just. I can't buy
it, her not knowing that. Because I
felt like everyone knew that in season one.
I don't know why. I just felt like this was
known information with
not only that kill, but all of the kills
(50:52):
that Peacemaker has done over the years.
so. So I guess my next challenge for you,
Will, is to talk about your thoughts of
this episode and not use the phrase
they are setting the table. Okay,
Go ahead.
>> Will (51:10):
It's the best dimension ever.
What I did say last week, that this episode was
going to show that
the grass is greener because in this
universe, in Earth 2,
Peacemaker, is, you know, it's everything he wanted.
And he is. He is a. He is
(51:32):
a. Is a hero. People love him. He has
adoration. I mean, this is. He's on the. On the peace mo. On
the peace cycle. he was. I mean, hell,
I mean, ladies, like, pulling out a shirt, showing her boobs. I
mean, it was just like, you know, everything that,
that, he wanted is there.
So, Yeah. So, it
(51:54):
makes sense for why he was just like, yeah. You know, every time he could
use Best dimension ever. And he's got, you know, he's got thirst court.
He. You know, it's all. Everything that Chris needs is there.
So, But for me, it's just like,
when is the other shoe going to drop?
>> Sarah (52:11):
Yeah, I just.
So I go back, back and forth. The
episode at the end when he's getting the praise and the applause
and then Harcourt runs over and
hugs him like there was good
payoff for all of that.
But it's really pissing me off
(52:32):
that we are. I
feel like we are.
We're not moving as quickly as I
would want. But it's weird to say that,
considering these episodes feel
like they're 10 minutes long.
M. It's hard for me to wrap
(52:55):
my mind around. Like, I can't necessarily
say that we're meandering, but
I also feel like we're a little bit. We've been
stuck in the same place for three episodes
now, and we're just. We just keep
moving along and. And I didn't like.
I don't like this whole. First of
all, I don't like Eagly being at, risk. Okay,
(53:18):
that's a problem.
>> Will (53:19):
Okay, that's a big problem.
>> Sarah (53:20):
Yeah, with. With them hiring
Red Saint Wild who is dressed
very culturally inappropriately.
Very, very. But. And then
Rip Jagger as well. Like
I, however, it was nice to
see Michael Rooker. You, you knew, you knew he was
(53:41):
gonna come up eventually. It was just a matter of time
and they snuck him in there and. Yeah,
so we're gonna get that showdown. for
sure. And, and, and also
we, we could just get some more great
lines. we learned some things about my
favorite character, a Mr.
Adrian, Chase. And he,
(54:04):
he apparently knows a lot of things about
spiders, but what he does not know is the fact
how many eyes they have. He does not
know that. But he does know a lot about
spiders.
>> Will (54:18):
Yeah, there's a lot about spiders. We'll see. What was the.
Yeah, yeah, he knows a lot. You know, Adrian knows a lot about
a lot of things.
>> Sarah (54:25):
And then. Yeah. Until you really
start to quiz him and it's just like, what the.
And so, so it's, it's like
you knew we were gonna get an episode where Chris
was gonna spend majority of the time
in the alternate dimension that was this episode.
And I think it's weird because
(54:48):
I think what's been happening for me
with these three episodes is
like, it feels like,
it feels like, okay, Chris,
Chris is moving forward, nobody else
is. Or, or,
or we're having to, we,
(55:11):
we have to like kind of stall Chris a
little bit so we get our bearings with what's going on with
the other characters. But we can't
quite move forward because we
have to, start with these new relationships.
I don't know, it just, I can't, I can't say
that they are hitting the ground running at all.
(55:32):
and the other thought that I have about this whole
pacing issue that I've just been harping
on is something that
we talk about all the time with the shows.
ever since streaming became a thing.
This season is
written as if it is
(55:53):
a. Like here's 10 episodes.
Have a good time.
So far with these past three, three episodes, I could have
binged this easily and been very satisfied,
but having to wait week to week,
I'm like, what, what are we doing here? And,
And I think that's what's bothering me. And I don't
(56:14):
remember feeling that way during season one
because I feel like with season one,
it was crafted. I was like, fine
episode to episode, but. But
now I'm just like, James, you realize
that you didn't. I think you
got. You were right in Superman and you thought you
decline the same thing. But it's a Different format.
(56:36):
Okay. This is a TV show.
>> Will (56:39):
Yeah. See, I, I just.
I disagree. I think I'm okay with still with the
weekly because I, for me it's like allowing things to
breathe. Because I get what you're
saying about the pacing. I do. but.
And I do. And, and one thing you have noted
that I think is
(56:59):
like taking this time with the supporting characters as
far as developing their,
Their stories. you
know, I think. I think Earth one
Harcourt is, you know. Yeah, I mean,
yeah, she, she is stuck
in. Stuck in a rut at this point. And it's
(57:20):
just. I mean, there's a lot of looking at, you know, there's.
There's, you know, I guess, you know, it's the third episode, so
it's the morning after the big party, so everybody's like hungover and
stuff on Earth one.
you know, I guess the, the hard, hardcore version on
Earth 2, you know, so, so to me,
this episode gave us a glimpse into, into
(57:40):
life, you know, in that, in
that, in that second dimension.
And we learned a lot more, about,
about that universe and her
character in that universe. and also
we. I think, to me what
this, the pacing is doing, especially
(58:01):
having Chris, and, you
know, you know, we're
seeing the. Again, you know, mentioned before
how this season is really
picking up the
growth or changing of Chris
as far as he's, you know, still shedding
(58:21):
some of the hard edges that, you know, you know,
he's still dealing with the loneliness he's still dealing
with, you know, trying to find that sense of belonging and stuff,
but, you know, but holding up that mirror
of, you know, basically
seeing him seeing like the old version of himself.
I mean, it basically seems like the Earth 2 version is the,
(58:42):
you know, is the season one version that we met of Chris
as far as just the, you know, kind of a dick and,
and an. And, and, and,
and we see in this episode, Earth one Chris
is sort of like, no, I don't, I don't like those aspects of my
person of, of my personality. So he's doing things
to like, you know, better himself.
(59:02):
So, so, so that's what I meant by
the episode pasting is. At least for me,
it's okay because it is allowing those moments to breathe some
instead of just mentioning through that. I don't think
it would, it would have. If we just went from, you
know, all dropped at once.
>> Sarah (59:21):
Yeah,
I think it would have been fine all at once. But
I, for me, like, like, we're not going to convince
each Other either way. And that's not what this is about.
But but I guess
then the point you just brought up about Chris
(59:42):
and his changing. I, I don't
know if maybe this is just because I didn't
do my homework and I didn't rewatch season one,
so, but I don't remember
him being, I don't
know, like too different than the Chris that we have
right now. I, I really don't, I
(01:00:03):
don't for some reason. I mean,
and, and maybe that's where my frustration
is also a little bit is maybe he has
changed and I'm I'm more like,
okay, well this is, has been nice but I'd really like
some comedy going on right now.
Like, I understand what they're doing with the
(01:00:25):
whole alternate dimension and it's
proving the, the motivations and
like, like
the whole this, the the, the grass is greener.
But we all, all know how that ends. Okay.
So I don't know. It's just
(01:00:45):
there's been so much build up and,
and really my whole point about the
binge model is because I know,
double toasted. In particular they want, they
got screeners for the first six episodes
and so they binged it and they were glow
like raving about this season and I'm sitting here
(01:01:05):
like episode three. Okay,
what was the big deal? Like,
I, I, I just, I'm, I get
envious though because
I think yes,
things get to breathe more but
you get to the payoff sooner
(01:01:27):
and, and honestly I don't think
that there's so much going on here that
things, things need the amount of breathing that they've
been afforded and that's my personal
preference and taste. it's just that
sometimes it just, yeah, it's a bit
redundant.
>> Will (01:01:46):
Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I, honestly, yeah, I mean I think
we, we truly are, are split on this one.
And you know, and like you said, I don't we're not going to convince
each other. I mean this is why we, this is, you know, this is
we love. I will you know, let, let the listeners
who are listening to us discuss this. You know,
I would love to hear folks take on
(01:02:06):
this point. and I'm sure some will probably agree with you
and some will probably agree with me, but but
I do see the change in, in,
in, in how
Earth one Chris is. and,
and, and, and, and I think
you know where he is trying to like, he is trying to
(01:02:28):
better himself and, and, and, and
fill, fill that fill that void because, I mean, he's
still, you know, going into that pocket and going
to that. Going to Earth too. I mean, he's still.
At the end of the day, you know, he's. He.
Yeah, it's like best dimension ever. But at some point
he's going to realize like, oh, yeah, you know, be.
(01:02:49):
You know, being the hero, which was pretty
cool just to see him like, be like, you know,
we. We've heard all this. We've heard all these
stories about Peacemaker and seeing
him in action and stuff, and we got to see it this week, which was really
cool. but, you know, at the end of the day, is that going
to be enough to. To. To. To. To
(01:03:09):
sustain. To fulfill him? And then also,
I did like, also this.
>> Sarah (01:03:14):
But that isn't. That isn't really the
fulfilling thing. The fulfilling moment is when
he's having the conversation with his brother at
the end. Yeah, like. Yeah, yeah, that,
that moment. Which, which.
What's. What's also interesting is we're spending
a lot more time with the brother than
(01:03:34):
we have with the father.
And, and I just bring that up because that was a very big
moment in season one when he does kill
his dad. so.
So there, there.
There's. I, I'm just waiting
for them to get to like, that
(01:03:55):
aspect of guilt. because
I, I think
that James. What James is doing is
we're focusing so much on
the. The justice gang
and the. Oh, Peacemaker gets
accepted as being the hero in this universe and
(01:04:15):
all of that that we're.
We're almost not really
focusing more in. On that family
side and the emotional trauma
that is parallel going on
in the universe. Like, there's
a reason why in this universe,
(01:04:37):
Chris has his brother, has a good
relationship with his father, yet gets addicted to
pills. Why is that? Yeah,
like.
>> Will (01:04:47):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think. I mean there's.
I think there's just some base. It seems
with. Regardless of the dimensions
that these characters are in, there are certain, I guess,
fundamental aspects of their personalities that,
that are just. That are. That are
common to each of them. So
(01:05:08):
I think, you know, so
where our Chris is, you
know, to that point, I think that's.
To answer your question, I think that's part of what we are
seeing here with Earth. Earth1 Chris,
you know, trying to overcome
those aspects of his
(01:05:29):
life that, you know, like, he did have the
abusive father. He did, you know, kill his brother
because. Because of his, you know, his father's push,
pushing them to do these fights and that kind of stuff.
you know, so maybe, you know, we'll, we'll learn
you know, we'll learn about things with the Earth. You know,
we've seen the relationship that he, that he had
(01:05:50):
with Earth 2 hardcore where he, you
know, where he was a philander and he, you know,
he messed up a good thing that allowed her to go to the good, you know,
to the, to the Jar Head, which was, you know, Rick Flag
Jr.
>> Sarah (01:06:02):
So yeah,
which we all saw that coming.
>> Will (01:06:06):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. but I think, you know,
but I think using, using Earth to
Chris to, to, you know, is. Is
how we'll see our Earth, our version of. Of.
Of. Of Chris get,
you know, continue. Continue this path of self
improvement. Which I think is what. At least that's to me
(01:06:27):
that's where. Where this storyline is. This, this show
is really exploring is how
do you take this, this effed up hero
and, and, and
really deconstruct them and, and, and, and
and take. Make him, make him a better man. and
accept the, the you know, that's
(01:06:48):
where, that's where I'm where, where I see where James is going
with this. Yeah, no, we got all the other stuff going around too
with the Justice League and all that kind of stuff for Justice Gang. Yeah. Ah,
those are all atmospherics, but at the
chorus it's about
how we get a better version of Chris Smith in Earth one.
>> Sarah (01:07:09):
All right, well on that note, Will, why don't you tell our
listeners where they can find you?
>> Will (01:07:14):
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>> Will (01:07:55):
It.
Music
>> Sarah (00:12):
Nerds. This is seen a nerd. I'm your host Sarah Belmont and with me
as always is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are
you doing tonight, Will?
>> Will (00:20):
Doing very well, Sarah. I hope you're doing well my friend. And happy
Star Trek Day.
>> Sarah (00:25):
So, so this is
Star Trek Day because. Anniversary.
>> Will (00:32):
Yeah. So on September 8,
1966 the first
episode aired on NBC.
So that's why it's Star Trek Day. Even
though if you really want, but technically if you want
to be really like anal about it, let's do it.
Let's do it. Yeah. So September 6th should
be star Trek Day because it actually aired
(00:54):
in Canada first.
>> Sarah (00:56):
Oh. Why?
>> Will (00:58):
Yeah, yeah it was just
how things that's how this network did it.
>> Sarah (01:04):
But that's hilarious.
>> Will (01:06):
Yeah, yeah. but but the
show did premiere on September 8th so of course
folks probably seeing all the, all the things on,
on Social today as far as from Paramount
and they did announce do a quick little you know,
since normally, you know we usually try to have a little bit of
nerd news. So this will be my nerd news
segment for the, for the week. so a couple things.
(01:29):
So it's the 59th, 59th anniversary. next
year will be the 60th anniversary. They
announced today that the kickoff, the 60th anniversary
celebration, things are going to be.
Star Trek is going to participate in the, in the Rose bowl
parade in Pasadena. there's also
a new animated show which is
(01:51):
funny. I did a Star Trek
commentary this week on you know,
what does Star Trek need to do to feel relevant and stay
relevant as we move forward and especially given that
there's you know, there's old head
fans who are just, you know, it's
funny, they sound like a lot of people did like they
sounded like my parents did when the Next Generation came out in
(02:13):
1987. When people like complain about strange new worlds
and discovery and lower decks and all the new track that's on Paramount plus
now. But I, you know, but I, I did a video,
you know, check it out where I do talk about
what I, what are my five things that I think
Star Trek needs to do to remain relevant. One of the things that that came out
today that does, that kind of touched on one of the points that
(02:34):
I made was they announced a
animated show that's going to be on YouTube that
will be that will be focused
on preschool on younger viewers, preschoolers. And
you know one of the things I did talk about was this diversification of the
platform. And so this again this is you
know, opening the door for, for a new generation
(02:55):
of fans. And you know they've done this a little bit
too with Star Trek Prodigy that came out a few years ago.
but unfortunately it only has only had two
seasons before. It was only on, on Paramount.
Plus for one season it got canceled. Netflix thankfully picked it
up. So there was that there was also
a podcast, audio drama
(03:15):
that premiered today as well. It's called
Star Trek Khan which is chronicling
the period after Captain
Kirk Sentence Khan
to Seti Alpha 5 where he after
he tried to steal the Enterprise after they woke him up from the sleeper
ship. And it's chronicling the period
(03:36):
before the movie the Wrath of Khan. So the first
episode dropped today. Listen to it. Really, really good.
I, I really liked it. I'll probably do a little, a little commentary
about it later this week. and then
let's see. Also Star Trek is finally getting Legoed,
so there is a Star Trek Lego
adventure coming out as well. And so
(03:57):
So yeah, so those are some of the things that that dropped here on
Star Trek day. Of course it obviously was a little, I
think it was sort of like the, you know there's a lot of, there were some cool
things that were released but I think everything really is going to just
really lead up to the big six. 60th
anniversary, celebrations that will drop next year. So I could
only imagine what, what all
(04:18):
they have in store and you know, as far as the original cast, I
mean there's you know, think, you know, thankfully William Shatner and
George Decay and Walter K. Nic are still with us. So hopefully they'll
be able to make it to next year for the, you know, for the
60th celebration. Speaking of George.
Okay. He's also, yeah. He's also in the Star Trek Con
audio drama playing Captain Sulu. So.
>> Sarah (04:38):
Okay. Okay.
>> Will (04:39):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (04:39):
Okay, cool.
>> Will (04:40):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (04:41):
did you see huntrix at
the VMAs last night?
>> Will (04:46):
I did not. I was.
>> Sarah (04:50):
No, I just.
>> Will (04:51):
It's football. It's football season.
>> Sarah (04:53):
No, no, I totally understand but every now
and you surprise me when you mention little
things like you saw and you know, I didn't not
like I watched them or anything, but I did see
the three actresses, they,
they they were one of the award
announcers and one of them,
(05:15):
you you know, in the movie where they're
talking like introducing each member of
Huntrix. And there's the one who's, like,
at the, the Met gala in a
sleeping bag, like, wearing a.
Well, one of the actresses. Her outfit
was very clearly inspired by
that. It was very cool. It was
(05:37):
very cool.
>> Will (05:38):
Yeah. I'll have to. I'll, have to go check, out the socials on that
to, to see it, because I'm sure it's everywhere.
>> Sarah (05:44):
Yeah.
>> Will (05:44):
Surprised see it? I'm surprised I didn't see it.
>> Sarah (05:47):
Yeah.
>> Will (05:47):
On. On Instagram or this morning when I was, like,
waiting to get my driver's license renewed.
>> Sarah (05:53):
I. I know. I know you had all the time in the world today
to randomly see that, but.
Yeah, but I just. I. I wanted to mention
that, it's not like they performed or anything,
but, I swear, if I
hear golden one more time, that song, I just hear
one second of it, and it'll get stuck in my head.
>> Will (06:13):
Yeah, Yeah, I. Yeah, I did. Yeah,
I had to, It's still on my playlist, but I.
I had to, like, hit a few other things on the algorithm to, like,
not, have it, like, come up, like, every time.
Every time I, like, turn my Spotify on.
>> Sarah (06:28):
Right, right.
You have to outsmart technology.
It's so hard. but on that
topic, because we are. Because
I finally watch Sinners,
and where I want to start this
conversation, because we will get into the movie, but
(06:48):
something. Something that I just thought was so
interesting
was. And. And this tells
me, like, we watch these things when we're
supposed to, because for the last three
weeks, we've been catching up on things
that we have missed technically over the last
two years. mainly movies.
(07:11):
And, the three that we
started with, all in very
different ways, are.
And honestly, in my opinion, the
biggest strengths of each of these movies is the
music themselves. Yet they use
it so differently that
it just struck me as being
(07:33):
very, fascinating. and just
proves that, yes,
movie and, TV and film, they're visual
mediums, but the.
There. There is something to be said
for how things are scored,
which, in this case, mark my
words, the composer. I'm blanking on his
(07:56):
name, who scored Sinners, he's gonna get another Oscar.
>> Will (08:01):
Ludwing Gorrenson yeah.
>> Sarah (08:02):
He won for Black Panther, right?
>> Will (08:05):
I believe so, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's pro. He's
prolific. I mean, he. Him. Michael
Giancano. I mean, they. Yeah, I mean, they're just,
>> Sarah (08:14):
Well, but.
>> Will (08:15):
But, yeah, definitely, like.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (08:19):
Yeah. So. So between
that, and then what we
were just talking about with K Pop Demon Hunters
and their use of music to tell
a different kind of fable. But, but
the fact that their, their
characters are the singers and so the
(08:39):
story that they were trying to tell had more to do
with being that kind of star.
and then in between you have
Wicked, which is based on a Broadway play.
And we were talking about that last week about how
there is, there is that. That it
can be hard to do to
(09:01):
really bring to life a musical
that's made for the stage to the
screen. So it just,
it's
that similarity in three very
different movies.
But I don't know if when you were re watching
(09:22):
and you were thinking about on what we've been
reflecting on what we've covered over the last few weeks, if you
also had kind of like Oh, that's
interesting.
>> Will (09:32):
Yeah. Yeah. So you know, so
I did in full disclosure, I did watch Sinners earlier
this year when it dropped. but I, I did
have you know it's funny because I did not
look at the
rundown but I had a similar thing
fault. But whenever. When I did look at our Mandel, I
(09:53):
saw you had put on their.
This very, very good point. How music
was used in these. In these show. In
these three movies and, and you know, and
just how they are as far as you
know, how it reflects this era and a community that,
that where you know, K Pop Demon
(10:14):
Hunters was really like a you know, modern, you know, globalized
youth culture. You know, Wicked, as you noted,
it's a Broadway inspired musical, you
know, you know, rooted in both
classical and you know, modern musical m
theater and the center is you know, is that
gospel and blues tradition, you know, tied
(10:34):
to African American spirituality and
folk history and you know, and it's just you know one of the things
how we just you know how what we've talked about in the prior two
films and I'm sure we'll talk about tonight, it's just how
how music shapes and it shapes
identity and, and also just how
it can express
(10:55):
emotions and power and things like that. Like you know I think about K
Pop Demon Hunters it was you know. You know,
it was you know becomes
music is a part of act of both
unity and even rebellion at some points. And
how pop culture becomes you know, literal,
literally a weapon to be used to defeat
(11:15):
evil.
at least as far as you know, Huntrick's taking
down. At least that's what. That's my perception of it. I'm sure you have
some thoughts as well.
>> Sarah (11:25):
No, no, no, I agree with you. Like, they.
They tell that story
through the perspective of hunk. So
like the music, the strength of the
fans allows for
this protection to occur.
maybe making sure the demons don't break further
(11:46):
into the world and to really shield
and protect this community that they have
while. While in sinners.
it is. It is more used.
Well, it is used like that.
but it also,
it calls to
(12:07):
the. The vampires. It's the siren
song that attracts them,
to that. To that place.
And Honestly, we don't get
a lot of detail about why or how, but
that's. That's neither here nor there. So.
So it's more of an attraction of the power
(12:28):
and the talent. while, While,
Hunt tricks, it's. It's the defense. So
centers it's offense and then, Hunt
tricks, it's defense.
>> Will (12:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And
also. Yeah, and I know centers will get into it
as more too as well, because I think. I
think as far as what the vampires,
you know, there's multi. I mean there's been multiple thought pieces on
what they represent and stuff. And I know we'll touch on some. Some of
that as far as.
>> Sarah (12:58):
Well, go ahead. I ain't holding you back.
>> Will (13:01):
No, no, no, I want. No, I wanna. I wanna
know. I don't want to jump right to that because there's more. We gotta set
it all up before we get to that.
>> Sarah (13:08):
Oh, no, yeah.
Okay. Well, go ahead.
>> Will (13:14):
Yeah, no, I mean, I think, Well, I. I wanna. We. You
know, one last thing on this point about the three movies
and as far as just shaping things, I do want to. We all. I
know we talked about Wick and
And you know, it. The other thing that I think
as far as the comp. You know, maybe a
commonality with all three is the
(13:36):
You know, it does. The music is that vehicle,
for personal, transformation
for. For our All. All our. Our lead characters
in some form or fashion with you know, a commonality.
Common thread through these three films. So that.
That was just a, you know, just to put a bow on that.
On that point, you know, with. With. With those three
(13:56):
films. And to your point, as far as just, you
see, watching things
together, watching. It's funny how sometimes things just
sort of serendipity where we
pull these types of threads together with,
With. With some of the items we discuss
here on the podcast. So, But yeah, But yeah,
(14:19):
let's. Let's. Let's. Let's do. Turn to. Turn to Centers
proper. and just you know, just
sort of the whole story of. Of
Smoke, and Stack and the two. The two
brothers and you know, to your.
You know, so you know, of course they, you know,
had left their hometown, gone up
(14:40):
from, you know, 1930 to Mississippi
Delta, go up to Chicago
and
you know, do their thing as far as, you know, working for
the mob and some other stuff. Basically like
take. Come back home with this
grand plan and of. Of setting up the juke
(15:01):
joint and. And some of the lessons learned in
the. In the big city and. And also
you know, getting to the point about now we'll bring
up the vampires and You know
what. So sort of some of the allegory that they were
were discussing because one of the things that was brought
up with when Smoke, and Stack were
(15:21):
talking to their. Talking to their cousin,
Sammy was how
Chicago and the south, even though, you know,
Sammy was talking about Jim Crow not being up there
and, and Jim Crow laws and all that kind of
stuff. And you know, one of the things that stuck out with me,
early. Early in the film was
(15:41):
the line how, you know, even though they were
in Chicago, you know, it was just. Even
though Jim Crow wasn't officially there, it was
just, you know, they still
had the same, you know the thing of white
supremacy and stuff was. And Was. Was there.
It's just. Just there with tall buildings instead of
(16:02):
Instead of, you know, the, the think the.
The visual cues that we got in 1932,
Mississippi where you know, folks are, you know, picking. Caught,
you know, pick a cotton and sharecropping and You know,
and, and. And and you know, and
how. Where I was going to go with the
vampires is, you know, it is
(16:22):
whenever they do show up at the juke joint
late, you know, in mid film, and
you know, wanted to sing their song, you know, wanted to sing
songs and try to, you know, fit in and stuff.
There are a couple levels to that one. Yeah. I mean
there's, you know, obviously they do.
They. They are white. but.
(16:43):
But also in the context of the time
they, you know, Irish folks, you know, were. Were
you know, immigrants and you know there
was a. Still another. There was still was a pecking order and
so yeah, they may be a little bit higher than the pecking order
for the African Americans, but they were even
still in. In the social class of the time,
(17:03):
Irish folks were still looked down upon.
So. So, you know, so those were
some levels that I did think. You
know what I thought really Worked really well with
Sinners is, you know, was it just
the traditional black and white? You
know? Yeah, it was there, but there were also. There
(17:24):
were a lot of subtext and levels to what was
going on in, in this story beyond it
being just a, just a horror film.
>> Sarah (17:32):
Right. Well,
I don't really. This to me it's not a horror film at
all.
>> Will (17:38):
Yeah, it's not.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (17:42):
Like, like we, like
so last week when we. After the show
when we were talking about what movie to cover,
and there's two. There was two. And
it, we. And, and I, and
I asked Will, I'm like, how scary is Sinners?
Because I, I just, I don't do
(18:03):
horror. I don't do horror. And Will at
one point said okay, we
won't do it.
You set me up.
Like, I was like, okay, I'm I'm not. And
then like the first hour I'm like, what the. The
was Will talking about? I'm so
(18:23):
confused here. Like, but, but I
also, I, I knew way too much about this
movie going into it and so
a lot of it I was like,
I just. And it wasn't like I was waiting for the
vampires. No, the, the story that they tell
in the first, The first. And arguably the
(18:44):
first half of the second act is, Is
really engaging and it does create,
create a In, in
that time they manage to within a
day, really get you to
understand this community, how it
works, how these people are
(19:07):
interwoven together, what the relationships
are. And, and, and so you, you,
you build that and then you introduce
that, that other element that
causes a wrinkle. And arguably
everyone's plans. I mean even the
KKK got screwed over at the end. I mean
thankfully, but still, like their
(19:29):
plan was out the window moment the vampire showed
up. So but this,
this isn't a horror movie. And you. Something that you
also said to me, me last week, you said,
well it's not really scary, but it messes with your
head. And, and Will, I slept like a
baby. Nothing messed with my head.
(19:50):
so, so now you know, on the scale
of what I can handle horror wise,
like, like I'm good with sinners
there really it gets into
what creeps me out the most is. And what I really
cannot handle is demon possession. I
just, I can't do it. I can't do it. granted there are a
(20:11):
few exceptions every now and then, but very rare, very
rare. and, and so no, we will never
be covering a conjuring Movie because I will. I
refuse. I refuse to watch any of those. I will.
Yeah. Yeah. So don't worry.
>> Will (20:25):
Don't worry. I'm not going to. I'm not. I'm not going to press
to, to cover a country movie. And, and like I said,
I, you know, I, I
knew when I, when I was saying that it maybe mess
with your head. it was more like I said. I,
you know, I know you're.
We've had many conversations off the
(20:46):
line as far as like, you know, horror and,
and all. And yes, there, you know, I didn't
know like, you know, see for example,
for the traditional vampire elements that
did happen in this film, I didn't know
if that would be something that would get to you,
or not. So.
>> Sarah (21:05):
Right. Right.
>> Will (21:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah
yeah. And yeah, there were a few jump scares. I mean a
few. But nothing. But nothing. Like
>> Sarah (21:15):
I didn't jump at all people. Yeah, I did
it.
>> Will (21:18):
Well, attempted. Yeah. I mean,
yeah. I mean I guess for
me, I will say it even the second time. I think
some of the initial flashbacks with Sammy when
he like bust in the church at the beginning.
and, and so sort of the flashbacks to,
to the night night before. you know. Well,
(21:39):
yeah, yeah. I mean maybe
jump scare. Maybe might not be the,
the right word but term for it.
>> Sarah (21:47):
No, there were. There. There were like
clear as day. That was Ryan's intention
was to cause a jump scare very much.
This whole snake thing and how it was
edited. I'm just. I just outsmarted with
him because I, I saw the signs so I wasn't looking.
>> Will (22:05):
Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. And again, I mean
that's the other thing too is upon.
For me. It was the
second time watching it. I've definitely
knowing what I know about the film.
It was, it was
the. I was able to dial you
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know when, when the moments did happen. Like when for example, when
the Chocolate Indians, Native Americans came to,
to that. To that house, when they were chasing down
remicks. I mean there were, there were like. They were like the
nice. I was able to really appreciate the
details that I wasn't. You know, obviously, you know,
now that I'm familiar with the story now I can really
(22:47):
get immersed in like what's. What else is happening here. So
like you know, little things like the ravens flying around and just being a
harbinger for death and, and, and then
just, and, and you know, getting back to our earlier point about
the music. I you know, it. This.
The score blew me Away the first time around. M.
But this time, around
(23:08):
it was even more so. Especially like
the scene, where, When.
I mean, there are two. Obviously there are two big moments. The one
obviously is where Sammy's, playing.
the first, you know, whenever he gets introduced to the crowd in the juke
joint and they have the. Have the,
Moment where they literally go through time,
(23:29):
as far as the different style in a
different eras. And he's piercing the veil
of time and space and music and everything
that really. Even more so
seeing all.
All of that and like the, you know, some of the other,
you know, some of the cultural things that
(23:49):
I missed M. In other cultures that I saw the first
time around. But really I was like, oh, yeah, now I. You know, I see. I saw.
There's a lot more this time around. And then. But
the scene, the next one where,
Where the young lady that Sammy hooked up with. I forgot
her. I can't remember her name.
Yeah. Yeah. But whenever. Whenever
(24:10):
she was. They. Whenever they were beating the dude up in the back
and. And the, It hit me
the first. When I watched it the first time. It. It was.
I. It worked. Then it even
m. More so this time as far as. Just like how.
How the dance, how the beats, how the. How
they were beaten up to dude. Everything just really. This.
(24:32):
Really, really just. Just the visceral nature of
it and the. And the power of again of music,
to tell a story and, For, you know,
where there is a good thing or bad things happening. You
know, it. It really, you know, really
reflected that. And again, it just really gets to the heart of, like.
While Ludwig, as we were saying, this is such a
(24:53):
tremendous composer who probably will get nominated again
for an Academy Award for this.
>> Sarah (24:57):
No, he's gonna win.
>> Will (24:58):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (24:59):
Yeah, he's gonna win. so I like
how you talk. Brought up probably in the most
controversial scene, in the movie
and didn't let me talk, but. Okay.
No, the. The most controversial scene in the
movie, is that section
where Sammy pierces the veil. and
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it's controversial not because of the sound but because of
the visuals. And, for me, it didn't work.
I'm just gonna call a spade a spade. It
didn't work visually.
it just. Honestly,
that scene took me out. Like,
it didn't pull me in sonically.
(25:42):
I was like, there. Visually.
I was like, what the heck? What? This. This.
It just. I. And. And I
hate to deliver criticism when I can't
say this is what they should have done, and I
don't have that. I don't know how you do that any
other way. So at the. Even though I'm
(26:02):
criticizing it, I also
can't say for sure, like, if. If there
was another way to depict what he was
trying to both visually and
sonically. so because
sonically it worked so much that
a part of me just was like, okay, I want to shut my eyes
and just hear it, because I could hear every
(26:25):
single change and the melding, and it was
beautiful visually. I was
just. It wasn't matching
as gracefully as it was
audible. So.
And that's why that disconnect
took me out of it. And I. From what I understand,
I think arguably some of the other. Other
(26:48):
audiences, it. It might have had this similar
effect. but yeah.
>> Will (26:53):
Oh, go ahead, go ahead.
>> Sarah (26:55):
No, no, I mean that. That was my point.
>> Will (26:58):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (26:59):
So I'm glad it worked for you and for others,
but it really didn't work for me.
>> Will (27:04):
So was it like when you saw like the hip hop? I mean,
what, what, what element.
>> Sarah (27:09):
No, right. It was, it was all of it.
Like, I, I understand like they, they
bring forward like the ghosts of
the past and the present, like, or the future
all combined. I just,
it stuck out too much.
Like, I think the clothing and.
(27:30):
And arguably the dance styles, like, it
just felt. I don't know, there.
It didn't gel the way it.
It should have to really mirror what
was going on sonically.
>> Will (27:45):
Yeah, I, I hear that. And
you know, as. As we. I think
to hearing what you just said there and thinking about
what Remick. What his
goal was, as far as
his. Some of his motivations are, you know, wanting
Sammy's. Sammy's voice and Sammy's soul.
(28:06):
I, I think linking those two
together, I think is where it, you
know, as far as like that. That
timeless nature of just
like to your point about sound and, and the
auditory experience of just when you real.
When. When a song or something just really, really just hits
(28:27):
your soul. I think that. I
think that's where it maybe, Like you said, maybe if you
like, if you just close your eyes and stuff and not watch the,
the right of it. Yeah, so I, I see what
you're. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (28:41):
I mean, I mean, remix motivation was
clear. Clear. And they set it up from the very beginning
when you even hear about like the
guillots, I think they call them. And that's what,
that's what Sammy is. And,
And. And you can hear it and they, they tease it
also when he's in the car with Stack.
And. And he sings Traveling Ah
(29:03):
or something. and. And you. You hear the
start and then. And. And then it
just worked. And maybe what really was
irritating is it was working so much.
And then you started to see specifically
the ghosts of the future.
You're just like. You're like, wow. we.
(29:24):
We don't necessarily need. I mean,
arguably there could have been cuts
to the future rather than inserting
them in the hall itself, because.
Or did he even need to show it? Could you just
have done it through the sound? Because
the sound was there and the melding.
(29:45):
And then on top of that,
I like how they knew they could do that.
And so later, when it is
Remick and he's doing the Irish
version of that, which bleeds into a metal
section. It's. It's very.
It's. It's very much like,
wow. It takes you on a journey.
(30:09):
and. And it is
powerful. It is like.
Like you're. You don't know. It.
It disconnects you from time and space.
but then when I. When I see people in
wearing, like, 90s
outfits and, I'm just like.
>> Will (30:29):
No, I'll have to go.
Yeah, yeah, I hear you. I hear you. I agree. I mean.
Yeah. And, you know, probably if I go back and, like,
list, because I know we, had. Whenever my wife
and I did a. We, did a discussion on it here,
and, you know, I. I have
to go back and watch because I, you know, I might have been like you the
(30:50):
first time around where it didn't work.
Or maybe it didn't work for her either. because of what.
What you just said, as far as the visual aspect of it.
and. And I. I think that is a very fair point. I mean, I.
Yeah, I don't. I don't think you're wrong.
Right. With that. With that critic, that critique there.
and I don't even considered a criticism. I think it's a very fair critique
(31:10):
of that scene.
>> Sarah (31:12):
Yeah, Yeah, I,
It. There's not much to criticize in this movie. I
mean, it's a good movie. It's well made.
it's well made because
it felt so old
school, which I loved. I
was watching it and I was just like, this
(31:34):
reminds me of movies that were
made when I was a kid.
And it just. There's something in the structure
of it. And it's also beautiful. The
cinematographer on this movie.
Oscar nomination. Because,
like, the Cotton
(31:55):
Fields.
>> Will (31:56):
Oh, yeah.
>> Sarah (31:57):
Were the. The. I've never
seen them look that way.
And, and I've told you this before when you can
pause a movie. and there's plenty
of times specifically in those cotton fields when you
pause the, the movie and it's like, well, that's a
painting right there. Because
the, the, the white popped
(32:19):
in such a way I've never seen before.
And, and there
I, I told you about Landman when I watched
it earlier this year. Right? Yeah. Season two
is coming, coming this fall. But and I
talked to you about how it was
fascinating to watch because
(32:41):
like Texas is huge, but
there's a barrenness there.
And I, while watching this movie,
in the Deep south in Mississippi,
it felt barren,
you know, and it just, and it was interesting for
me, who. I've never been to the, the south, but
(33:04):
I've, I also like view
coming from the biggest state in the U.S.
i know barren landscape. And
so like that, that
baroness felt there. I,
I think it was more not to
capture that. That
(33:25):
landscape, but more so the
isolation of the plantation
itself.
>> Will (33:32):
Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. yeah, that's,
you know, that's, that's a awesome point that you just made
there. yeah. And
yeah, because you're right. I mean it does,
it does such, does such a
wonderful like job framing everything.
and as far as the time period.
(33:55):
and, and to your point, I mean it, it
visually, it speaks to what is going on during
this time. Better than any
exposition could ever do.
>> Sarah (34:06):
Well, I, I think there's a lot of
exposition in this, in this movie. But the
brilliance of the writing is it doesn't feel, feel
like exposition position. It
feels like natural conversations where pieces of
information and motivations are being
explained very plainly.
so, so it's like,
(34:29):
like I, I think all the pieces, it's, it's
a machine. Everything's working together.
and, and that's why this movie
received the praise and adoration that it
did. for that and for numerous
reasons. The, the other thing
that I'm, I'm just gonna call out right now.
(34:50):
Miles. Captain, where have you been?
>> Will (34:53):
Yep.
>> Sarah (34:54):
And I love you because you stole this
movie from Michael B. Jordan.
Oh my God. Also, also,
what is with the voice? Every
single time I was like, I was like, the
voice ain't matching the face, but I'm not
mad at it. But it's also like, I'm not
(35:15):
talking just about his singing voice. No, his,
his everyday voice. I'm like,
really? That's fascinating.
>> Will (35:24):
Yeah, yeah. I you know, I do
live in the south and, and, and, and
so his voice, I
mean, and it just, every, just. And
also Delo. I mean even, I mean even
Michael B. Jordan. I mean there were, there were just. I,
I felt like I was like when I was watching this film, a lot of times
(35:45):
I felt like I was going back to my youth
hearing, hearing like the great uncles and you
know, the cookout and like it
just, it just, it brought back,
and it brought back a lot of like
memories and you know, when they're talking about the catfish
and I mean, so there's just, so there were just
so many elements of this film that
(36:07):
felt authentic. And I think that's another
thing that makes this movie work.
Yeah, especially the first. For, especially the first.
In particular the first
half of it. you know,
it's just that, the authenticity and, and
like you said as well, it's just like. I loved what
(36:29):
you said. I mean it did, you know, it was so nice because it
wasn't an original story that
was told and, and, and
so to me that in
like the cotton fields and stuff, I mean, I think, you know, it's again
hearing stories about my grandmother and things my great
grandmother told me about her picking cotton
and, and you know, so there were just so many
(36:52):
things in it that, you know, that I'm only a
few. We're only a few, you know, only a few generations removed from that. But still
there was, I still have, you know, there was a emotional
connection to this film I think that also made it work
so that even when it did the turn to more of
the other, which I, I
will say
(37:12):
I did, you know, it's a. I, do enjoy the
film. But when it did go into the,
the normal,
the vampire stuff and all those other things it did,
it lost a little bit of momentum for me. because I
think it's just the first half of it was just so powerful for
just reasons I just talked about here that when
(37:32):
it transitioned over to that other, the other. The back half
of the story, it was cool, I
enjoyed it. But it just, you know, it just felt like,
Yeah, I just felt like, okay, I'm back. Back to like what? I'm back
to just the usual rote storytelling of
like the scary movie. And, and, but then of
course the, the ending,
(37:53):
brought it back. Well, there are a couple. Well, the
ending with, with Michael B. With, with, with
smoke taking out the clan and all that kind of stuff, it was just like a
kick ass moment.
>> Sarah (38:06):
The epilogue ending.
>> Will (38:08):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (38:09):
No, no, no, I'm I'm calling that the
epilogue ending because
it felt like the movie was over. And then all of a
sudden you got the KKK showing up and you're just like,
you're like, oh, we're still, we're still doing this. Okay.
But yeah, but yeah, looking
at it in terms of the twins,
(38:31):
you got the, the movie, you got two love
stories going on. and so
it makes sense. And, and I told
Will this earlier, but no, this is
my first time watching the movie. But when the movie first
came out, I did watch the mid credits scene
on Tick Tock. So
(38:51):
I already knew. I already knew.
Which, which is another reason why I think the third
act is kind of the weakest act. Just because, because
I, I still want to. I still want an
explanation of how Mary specifically
made it out alive. M. And didn't
go into the sun like everyone else.
(39:11):
so there was, there's some, there's
some things that were not explained fully. But.
But back to what I was trying to get at is,
the two love stories,
they kind of, they definitely
foreshadow ultimately
how those two end. and,
and the. Because it makes
(39:34):
sense. Like what?
Like Mary Marion Stack,
they can't be together because.
Because she is too white. Okay.
And she is with a white man now. And
that. That's the only way to keep her safe and everything.
But now they have. Now as vampires, they
(39:54):
can be together because they have that power.
So they sacrificed the sun
and, and they have immortality
and all of that, but they can be together at
the end of the day in that tortured state.
So it's very interesting. And then
Smoke, having already
(40:15):
killed Annie because that's what she said to do
when she got bit. he then
gets to basically follow her into the
afterlife where they get to be with their,
With their child that they lost. And that was the
reason why. Why he left along
with his brother. Like. So
(40:35):
I. Something that the
movie marketing did not really
explain or,
or showcase. and one of the surprises
were those two love stories, that
ran out throughout the movie and those
relationships that, And
(40:56):
that was more than just
Haley Seinfeld. Okay.
so. So yeah, yeah, it's
Yeah, anyways.
>> Will (41:07):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think the, the two love
stories, to your point, with the
epilogue ending and, and the mid
credit. Yeah, those,
yeah. Getting that payoff, of. Of the, of those
stories, was a pleasant surprise,
given, given how, like I said,
whenever. Whenever they do have the big
(41:29):
showdown with Remic and all that Kind of stuff, you know. Yeah, I
mean, yeah, it had to happen. and yeah, they you know, and,
and the, the KKK coming back and having
the big shootout and everything. it was,
it was, yeah, it was a kick ass moment. It was a,
but it was also, it was the
it was the fitting in for Smoke, so that
(41:50):
he could, that was you know,
to you know, given that that was his way of just
getting freedom from, from this mortal
plane and all the things that he was doing, you know, all basically
the 1930s south. and, and
so, you know, so he definitely had his freedom, which,
you know, but, and then to your point, like you said,
yeah, Mary and Stack are
(42:13):
free in some regards, but they're also still
imprisoned in this state
where they can't enjoy it. Cannot enjoy
son. And, and Stack, well, you know, can never.
And both Smoke, both, Both, you know,
do, you know, lose,
lose each other, as far as their
relationship. So. Yeah. So you know, so I guess in
(42:35):
stacks standpoint, I mean it was kind of a
mix to me. It was maybe a mixed,
mixed, mixed, mixed blessing, I guess.
>> Sarah (42:44):
Well, I mean, yes,
it's, it's a mixed blessing when he put it that way. But when we
see him in the like six,
60 years later in 1992
at the end of the movie with Mary,
it seems they're doing just fine.
>> Will (43:03):
I can't go.
>> Sarah (43:04):
Yeah, yeah. It doesn't, it
doesn't seem like they're tortured
is what I'm getting at. Like this was,
this is a curse. It seems like they have made
peace with, with it. and, and it also
seems like Suddenly vampires in
92 are not just bloodthirsty
(43:24):
hungry all the time because
I, I, I also don't know the,
like how suddenly they are much more
demore. Demur. Demore.
>> Will (43:36):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean they, yeah, yeah.
yeah, because they, I guess with whenever they do
approach Sammy and it give Sammy the choice.
You're right. I mean they are more chill.
>> Sarah (43:50):
It is there, there's, it's not just that they
didn't kill Sammy. It's that there were other people
that they could have killed. And, and it's just,
I don't know, it felt like
the way we were introduced to how the vampire
hunger worked, like they were insatiable.
>> Will (44:08):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (44:08):
Okay. And then we, we go into the future
and suddenly they're just like, yeah, we, we ate
earlier.
>> Will (44:15):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (44:17):
I don't understand.
>> Will (44:21):
Yeah, but I, I, but to that end, to that
end, with, with the, with Sammy
and and you know, again, give, given, given
the choice. I mean, I do love how at
the end of the day, you know, they, they, they offer it to
him. you know,
and choice was really
(44:41):
like another big thing that was in this, that
was in this film. Like, you know, when we first get the start with
Sammy and his father, you know, preacher boy,
you know, it was, you know, he made a choice to,
you know, to like, you know, with the whole
religion, you know, with, with religion and, and the
whole notion of sin and you know, and all that kind of
(45:02):
stuff. You know, Sammy made a choice. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go play
in this juke joint. I wanna. And then whenever
he had a choice later to you know, for m.
Immortality, he's like, you know what? I have,
I've had a good life. You know,
I, I'm good with this. And, and so
even when you do get that, when you do get that
(45:23):
in that post credit, at the very end
where you know, where we see Sammy singing,
this Little Light of Mine, which was again another like bookend,
from that they had, with the beginning of the
film and the end of the film and he kind of looks up. I mean it
just. We see what
I think it, it, to me it
(45:45):
made that moment in the mid credit
payoff. Whenever we, we see the choice that he made all those
years ago. He may not go on the route that his father,
that his father wanted him to as
far as what his father envisioned. But Sammy made his own
peace with fate, God, religion, whatever
you want to call it. and, and whenever death was
upon him, he was like I'm, I've made my decision.
(46:07):
And he was, and he was at peace with it.
At least that's my take on it.
>> Sarah (46:14):
Anything else?
>> Will (46:16):
No, I, I don't, I don't think so. I think we think
we covered a lot of ground with this film.
I'm sure there's even more. I mean there's huge, there's think pieces
that, that, that still come out about the belt centers. But
no, I'm glad we, I'm glad we, I'm glad we covered it.
>> Sarah (46:31):
All right.
>> Will (46:31):
I really want to hear your thoughts on it. So I'm glad, I'm glad you finally watched
it.
>> Sarah (46:37):
And All right, that brings us to
Peacemaker Season 2, episode 3. Another
Rick up my sleeve as Peacemaker receives
praise as a hero. He uses the alternate dimension
to deep. Deepen his bond with Harcourt.
Meanwhile, economists faces
criticism from for the mission's failure.
(46:57):
this opens with a
flashback in our world
to Harcourt, and Rick
Flag being together and
not, not Senior, the young one who got
killed, murdered by
Peacemaker. So, so
this was not explained to us at all in season
(47:19):
one, Correct.
>> Will (47:22):
About. Oh, as far. No,
no.
>> Sarah (47:25):
I mean, yeah, yeah. Rick. Rick Flag and
Hardcore being a thing before
the Suicide Squad.
No. Okay. And so the
reason why
Hardcore, it's never been brought up is because
Hardcore supposedly does not know
that Peacemaker killed Rick.
>> Will (47:49):
Yeah. Which it seems weird to me because.
>> Sarah (47:51):
Yes.
>> Will (47:53):
Yeah. But. But then again,
then again, I mean in the last episode with when Rick
Senior wanted to see the, See the file, I guess they have
kind of kept what happened in Corto Corporal Matisse.
>> Sarah (48:06):
And, and with that I call it
convenience. Convenience.
Because she throughout season one is
like the right hand of the general
and is in control all this information. And
throughout this season it's like, oh, poor
me, I got kicked out of Argus, where I
was somebody and I had a job and I had all this information
(48:28):
and so you, you didn't. You have yet to
piece together that Peacemaker killed
your ex. like there.
I don't, if they use that,
I don't buy it. I did. To me, to
me it's very, very thin. What made
makes more sense is when I was watching this episode
(48:49):
specifically when Harcourt was having her girl chat
with Abadayo
Abadio, she. There was
some looks and you could, you could see
that clearly Hardcore is withholding information
about why she can't be with
Chris. Right.
>> Will (49:07):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (49:08):
And I while watching it
was more thinking it's because
you have yet to tell him that he
killed your ex boyfriend.
>> Will (49:19):
Yeah, yeah. I took it that way too, too.
>> Sarah (49:21):
Yeah, that's how I interpreted it.
>> Will (49:24):
Yeah. yeah, I took it that she knows
especially whenever we think back to the season one,
whenever she first meets Chris at at his
trailer.
And so, so, and maybe at that
point she did not know that.
>> Sarah (49:41):
Maybe at one point she didn't know, but then
she realized it. But the. You can't.
I, I, I can't. If she
never knew, then the
character is gone for me.
>> Will (49:55):
Yeah. No, I think your point. No, I think,
I think in between
things are going well with them and I think, I think, I think
you're, you hit it. Right. she realized, you know, she got
access to the file or whatever. And
what, and, and so when that
happened, that's where things went sideways with
her and Chris and at least in Earth one.
>> Sarah (50:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. And that will.
>> Will (50:22):
What I said, and at some point during. Over
the next five episodes, we'll get. Probably.
That'll probably be the most likely explanation.
>> Sarah (50:31):
Yeah. Yeah. There has to be. She. She
has to know. I. I just. I can't buy
it, her not knowing that. Because I
felt like everyone knew that in season one.
I don't know why. I just felt like this was
known information with
not only that kill, but all of the kills
(50:52):
that Peacemaker has done over the years.
so. So I guess my next challenge for you,
Will, is to talk about your thoughts of
this episode and not use the phrase
they are setting the table. Okay,
Go ahead.
>> Will (51:10):
It's the best dimension ever.
What I did say last week, that this episode was
going to show that
the grass is greener because in this
universe, in Earth 2,
Peacemaker, is, you know, it's everything he wanted.
And he is. He is a. He is
(51:32):
a. Is a hero. People love him. He has
adoration. I mean, this is. He's on the. On the peace mo. On
the peace cycle. he was. I mean, hell,
I mean, ladies, like, pulling out a shirt, showing her boobs. I
mean, it was just like, you know, everything that,
that, he wanted is there.
So, Yeah. So, it
(51:54):
makes sense for why he was just like, yeah. You know, every time he could
use Best dimension ever. And he's got, you know, he's got thirst court.
He. You know, it's all. Everything that Chris needs is there.
So, But for me, it's just like,
when is the other shoe going to drop?
>> Sarah (52:11):
Yeah, I just.
So I go back, back and forth. The
episode at the end when he's getting the praise and the applause
and then Harcourt runs over and
hugs him like there was good
payoff for all of that.
But it's really pissing me off
(52:32):
that we are. I
feel like we are.
We're not moving as quickly as I
would want. But it's weird to say that,
considering these episodes feel
like they're 10 minutes long.
M. It's hard for me to wrap
(52:55):
my mind around. Like, I can't necessarily
say that we're meandering, but
I also feel like we're a little bit. We've been
stuck in the same place for three episodes
now, and we're just. We just keep
moving along and. And I didn't like.
I don't like this whole. First of
all, I don't like Eagly being at, risk. Okay,
(53:18):
that's a problem.
>> Will (53:19):
Okay, that's a big problem.
>> Sarah (53:20):
Yeah, with. With them hiring
Red Saint Wild who is dressed
very culturally inappropriately.
Very, very. But. And then
Rip Jagger as well. Like
I, however, it was nice to
see Michael Rooker. You, you knew, you knew he was
(53:41):
gonna come up eventually. It was just a matter of time
and they snuck him in there and. Yeah,
so we're gonna get that showdown. for
sure. And, and, and also
we, we could just get some more great
lines. we learned some things about my
favorite character, a Mr.
Adrian, Chase. And he,
(54:04):
he apparently knows a lot of things about
spiders, but what he does not know is the fact
how many eyes they have. He does not
know that. But he does know a lot about
spiders.
>> Will (54:18):
Yeah, there's a lot about spiders. We'll see. What was the.
Yeah, yeah, he knows a lot. You know, Adrian knows a lot about
a lot of things.
>> Sarah (54:25):
And then. Yeah. Until you really
start to quiz him and it's just like, what the.
And so, so it's, it's like
you knew we were gonna get an episode where Chris
was gonna spend majority of the time
in the alternate dimension that was this episode.
And I think it's weird because
(54:48):
I think what's been happening for me
with these three episodes is
like, it feels like,
it feels like, okay, Chris,
Chris is moving forward, nobody else
is. Or, or,
or we're having to, we,
(55:11):
we have to like kind of stall Chris a
little bit so we get our bearings with what's going on with
the other characters. But we can't
quite move forward because we
have to, start with these new relationships.
I don't know, it just, I can't, I can't say
that they are hitting the ground running at all.
(55:32):
and the other thought that I have about this whole
pacing issue that I've just been harping
on is something that
we talk about all the time with the shows.
ever since streaming became a thing.
This season is
written as if it is
(55:53):
a. Like here's 10 episodes.
Have a good time.
So far with these past three, three episodes, I could have
binged this easily and been very satisfied,
but having to wait week to week,
I'm like, what, what are we doing here? And,
And I think that's what's bothering me. And I don't
(56:14):
remember feeling that way during season one
because I feel like with season one,
it was crafted. I was like, fine
episode to episode, but. But
now I'm just like, James, you realize
that you didn't. I think you
got. You were right in Superman and you thought you
decline the same thing. But it's a Different format.
(56:36):
Okay. This is a TV show.
>> Will (56:39):
Yeah. See, I, I just.
I disagree. I think I'm okay with still with the
weekly because I, for me it's like allowing things to
breathe. Because I get what you're
saying about the pacing. I do. but.
And I do. And, and one thing you have noted
that I think is
(56:59):
like taking this time with the supporting characters as
far as developing their,
Their stories. you
know, I think. I think Earth one
Harcourt is, you know. Yeah, I mean,
yeah, she, she is stuck
in. Stuck in a rut at this point. And it's
(57:20):
just. I mean, there's a lot of looking at, you know, there's.
There's, you know, I guess, you know, it's the third episode, so
it's the morning after the big party, so everybody's like hungover and
stuff on Earth one.
you know, I guess the, the hard, hardcore version on
Earth 2, you know, so, so to me,
this episode gave us a glimpse into, into
(57:40):
life, you know, in that, in
that, in that second dimension.
And we learned a lot more, about,
about that universe and her
character in that universe. and also
we. I think, to me what
this, the pacing is doing, especially
(58:01):
having Chris, and, you
know, you know, we're
seeing the. Again, you know, mentioned before
how this season is really
picking up the
growth or changing of Chris
as far as he's, you know, still shedding
(58:21):
some of the hard edges that, you know, you know,
he's still dealing with the loneliness he's still dealing
with, you know, trying to find that sense of belonging and stuff,
but, you know, but holding up that mirror
of, you know, basically
seeing him seeing like the old version of himself.
I mean, it basically seems like the Earth 2 version is the,
(58:42):
you know, is the season one version that we met of Chris
as far as just the, you know, kind of a dick and,
and an. And, and, and,
and we see in this episode, Earth one Chris
is sort of like, no, I don't, I don't like those aspects of my
person of, of my personality. So he's doing things
to like, you know, better himself.
(59:02):
So, so, so that's what I meant by
the episode pasting is. At least for me,
it's okay because it is allowing those moments to breathe some
instead of just mentioning through that. I don't think
it would, it would have. If we just went from, you
know, all dropped at once.
>> Sarah (59:21):
Yeah,
I think it would have been fine all at once. But
I, for me, like, like, we're not going to convince
each Other either way. And that's not what this is about.
But but I guess
then the point you just brought up about Chris
(59:42):
and his changing. I, I don't
know if maybe this is just because I didn't
do my homework and I didn't rewatch season one,
so, but I don't remember
him being, I don't
know, like too different than the Chris that we have
right now. I, I really don't, I
(01:00:03):
don't for some reason. I mean,
and, and maybe that's where my frustration
is also a little bit is maybe he has
changed and I'm I'm more like,
okay, well this is, has been nice but I'd really like
some comedy going on right now.
Like, I understand what they're doing with the
(01:00:25):
whole alternate dimension and it's
proving the, the motivations and
like, like
the whole this, the the, the grass is greener.
But we all, all know how that ends. Okay.
So I don't know. It's just
(01:00:45):
there's been so much build up and,
and really my whole point about the
binge model is because I know,
double toasted. In particular they want, they
got screeners for the first six episodes
and so they binged it and they were glow
like raving about this season and I'm sitting here
(01:01:05):
like episode three. Okay,
what was the big deal? Like,
I, I, I just, I'm, I get
envious though because
I think yes,
things get to breathe more but
you get to the payoff sooner
(01:01:27):
and, and honestly I don't think
that there's so much going on here that
things, things need the amount of breathing that they've
been afforded and that's my personal
preference and taste. it's just that
sometimes it just, yeah, it's a bit
redundant.
>> Will (01:01:46):
Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I, honestly, yeah, I mean I think
we, we truly are, are split on this one.
And you know, and like you said, I don't we're not going to convince
each other. I mean this is why we, this is, you know, this is
we love. I will you know, let, let the listeners
who are listening to us discuss this. You know,
I would love to hear folks take on
(01:02:06):
this point. and I'm sure some will probably agree with you
and some will probably agree with me, but but
I do see the change in, in,
in, in how
Earth one Chris is. and,
and, and, and, and I think
you know where he is trying to like, he is trying to
(01:02:28):
better himself and, and, and, and
fill, fill that fill that void because, I mean, he's
still, you know, going into that pocket and going
to that. Going to Earth too. I mean, he's still.
At the end of the day, you know, he's. He.
Yeah, it's like best dimension ever. But at some point
he's going to realize like, oh, yeah, you know, be.
(01:02:49):
You know, being the hero, which was pretty
cool just to see him like, be like, you know,
we. We've heard all this. We've heard all these
stories about Peacemaker and seeing
him in action and stuff, and we got to see it this week, which was really
cool. but, you know, at the end of the day, is that going
to be enough to. To. To. To. To
(01:03:09):
sustain. To fulfill him? And then also,
I did like, also this.
>> Sarah (01:03:14):
But that isn't. That isn't really the
fulfilling thing. The fulfilling moment is when
he's having the conversation with his brother at
the end. Yeah, like. Yeah, yeah, that,
that moment. Which, which.
What's. What's also interesting is we're spending
a lot more time with the brother than
(01:03:34):
we have with the father.
And, and I just bring that up because that was a very big
moment in season one when he does kill
his dad. so.
So there, there.
There's. I, I'm just waiting
for them to get to like, that
(01:03:55):
aspect of guilt. because
I, I think
that James. What James is doing is
we're focusing so much on
the. The justice gang
and the. Oh, Peacemaker gets
accepted as being the hero in this universe and
(01:04:15):
all of that that we're.
We're almost not really
focusing more in. On that family
side and the emotional trauma
that is parallel going on
in the universe. Like, there's
a reason why in this universe,
(01:04:37):
Chris has his brother, has a good
relationship with his father, yet gets addicted to
pills. Why is that? Yeah,
like.
>> Will (01:04:47):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think. I mean there's.
I think there's just some base. It seems
with. Regardless of the dimensions
that these characters are in, there are certain, I guess,
fundamental aspects of their personalities that,
that are just. That are. That are
common to each of them. So
(01:05:08):
I think, you know, so
where our Chris is, you
know, to that point, I think that's.
To answer your question, I think that's part of what we are
seeing here with Earth. Earth1 Chris,
you know, trying to overcome
those aspects of his
(01:05:29):
life that, you know, like, he did have the
abusive father. He did, you know, kill his brother
because. Because of his, you know, his father's push,
pushing them to do these fights and that kind of stuff.
you know, so maybe, you know, we'll, we'll learn
you know, we'll learn about things with the Earth. You know,
we've seen the relationship that he, that he had
(01:05:50):
with Earth 2 hardcore where he, you
know, where he was a philander and he, you know,
he messed up a good thing that allowed her to go to the good, you know,
to the, to the Jar Head, which was, you know, Rick Flag
Jr.
>> Sarah (01:06:02):
So yeah,
which we all saw that coming.
>> Will (01:06:06):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. but I think, you know,
but I think using, using Earth to
Chris to, to, you know, is. Is
how we'll see our Earth, our version of. Of.
Of. Of Chris get,
you know, continue. Continue this path of self
improvement. Which I think is what. At least that's to me
(01:06:27):
that's where. Where this storyline is. This, this show
is really exploring is how
do you take this, this effed up hero
and, and, and
really deconstruct them and, and, and, and
and take. Make him, make him a better man. and
accept the, the you know, that's
(01:06:48):
where, that's where I'm where, where I see where James is going
with this. Yeah, no, we got all the other stuff going around too
with the Justice League and all that kind of stuff for Justice Gang. Yeah. Ah,
those are all atmospherics, but at the
chorus it's about
how we get a better version of Chris Smith in Earth one.
>> Sarah (01:07:09):
All right, well on that note, Will, why don't you tell our
listeners where they can find you?
>> Will (01:07:14):
Yes, you can find me on all the socials at
Will and Polk, W I L L M P O.
>> Sarah (01:07:19):
L K. And you can find me there too at SJ
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>> Will (01:07:55):
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