October 16, 2025 • 69 mins
In this episode of Scene N Nerd, hosts Sarah Belmont and Will Polk tackle the emotional rollercoaster of Peacemaker Season 2, Episode 8, the series finale titled "Full Nelson." As the 11th Street Kids face escalating dangers, they must convince Peacemaker that he belongs with them. Sarah and Will share their real-time reactions, dissecting the montages and flashbacks that shaped the finale, while also discussing the missed opportunities and character arcs that left them feeling divided. 🤔 Shifting gears, the duo dives into Gen V Season 2, Episode 6, where they explore the complexities of power dynamics and character relationships. With the unexpected arrival of Stan Edgar and Zoe, the episode highlights the intricate web of alliances and the stakes involved in the world of superheroes. Sarah and Will analyze the developments surrounding Cipher, Polarity, and the ramifications of Annabeth's precognitive abilities, setting the stage for the thrilling conclusion of the season. 🔥 Join Sarah and Will for an insightful discussion filled with laughter, critiques, and theories as they navigate the highs and lows of these captivating episodes!
0:00 Welcome and banter
2:45 Peacemaker Season 2, Episode 8 "Full Nelson"
33:54 Gen V Season 2, Episode 6 "Cooking Lessons"
1:06:50 Outro
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>> Will (00:00):
Foreign.
>> Sarah (00:11):
Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah
Belmont, and with me, as always, is our Mr.
Producer, Will Polk How are you doing tonight,
Will?
>> Will (00:18):
Doing very well, Sarah. How are you doing this
evening?
>> Sarah (00:22):
Doing fine. I mean, it's Wednesday and I'm so used
to recording on Mondays that I'm.
>> Will (00:30):
Oh, I know.
>> Sarah (00:30):
Man, this week is taking forever.
>> Will (00:33):
Yep. Yeah, I know, I know. Well, I was, I was
traveling some for work, and, and then we were
supposed to record last night, but, you know, the
jet lag, kicked my ass. So here we are, Wednesday
night.
>> Sarah (00:46):
Yeah, yeah, here. Here we are. And, before we got
onto the show, I will freely admit, I clicked on,
unknowingly clicked on September 15 rundown that
we did like a month ago, thinking, like, not even
registered. And then I, I, I went to a different,
(01:07):
different tab on my browser. And then when I
returned, I like, read the start. I'm like, we're
not talking about Dune 2. I was like, I'm in the
wrong rundown.
>> Will (01:19):
Wrong rundown. Run down.
>> Sarah (01:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're, we know. We're not. We're
wrapping up Peacemaker, and then we're continuing
on the Gen V road. and, and then next week we get
to start severance. So. Yes, season two. Okay,
everybody. And no, nobody say you have to watch
season one. We have watched season one. We just
(01:41):
never talked about it in depth.
>> Will (01:44):
Exactly. Exactly.
>> Sarah (01:45):
And we also watched it like. Well, me, I, I
watched it maybe two, three years ago, so there's.
>> Will (01:52):
Yeah, yeah, there's that little thing too. Yeah,
I, I am, I am planning on doing a re. Watch this
this week just to refresh my memory because it's
been, it's been a minute, so.
>> Sarah (02:02):
Yeah, yeah, I, I am not planning on, I am planning
on them doing, previously on. And then be like,
cool. Okay. Because I, I don't know. I mean, they,
it takes so long for shows to get produced that I
kind of feel like, you know, I, I'd rather go into
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the new season, however long of a time in between,
and just, just call it good. I mean, this season
only just premiered back in January of this year,
so. Yeah, yeah, it would have been very similar
had I, had I just watched it in January. So. But
(02:46):
anyway, Peacemaker, the season finale, slash,
probably series finale. It's still a bit murky,
but all for, for all gun and purposes, it's the
series finale. Season two, episode eight, Full
Nelson as Flag puts everyone around him in
(03:08):
increasing danger. The 11th street kids must
Convince Peacemaker that he's one of them. Okay.
Will, what do you think about this finale?
>> Will (03:18):
So my overall thoughts on the finale. I know
there's been a lot of discussion about it and. And
all that, but personally, I will say my real time
reaction when I was watching it was I was. For the
first bit of it, I was like, huh? And then. And
(03:41):
then whenever they got to the big moment the that
was when I was like, okay, I, you know, I. I was
like, better. And then by the end with it all, I
was just like. When it finished, I kind of sat
with it for a minute and I was like, you know
what? I was okay with it. I really was. And, And.
(04:01):
And maybe this is just part of the benefit of just
sort of like, not being like, so on social media
as much as I used to, you know, and hearing, like,
how James. You know, because I think people were
expecting the big, you know, big reveals or, you
know, and I know, apparently, I guess Gun must
have hyped it up on threads or whatever. But I
was. I was. I, you know, I. I wasn't like, going.
(04:24):
I didn't really go into it, like, expecting
anything like Superman showing up or anything like
that. I was sort of like, okay, this episode in
many ways felt like an epilogue.
>> Sarah (04:38):
Yeah, I, I really hate this episode. And maybe
wait's a strong word. I don't like it. I don't
like the season in general, so. And. And I'm. I'm
not on the side side of like, well, he told me
Superman was gonna show up. We all know that when
(04:59):
you say, like, you're not really online to theory
spiral about that, we all know that I am, like, 25
degrees removed from that. So not writing this is
how it should have done. I just like. And I think,
you know, new while watching it. Sarah's not gonna
(05:21):
like this because I did montages. There are. I
checked out so hard by the second montage and. Oh,
my God. why. Why the song. The song choices
weren't even good, in my opinion. I'm not. And,
And I understand that, like, it's all taste and
(05:44):
preference. that is not my preferred sound. So I
just. I. I mean. And this is an hour. Okay. And we
talked about this, and I've mentioned it, how a
lot of these episodes this season, I'm just like,
they're going so quickly. And I. And. And in a
(06:04):
way, I was like, I wanted more. Well, now I'm glad
he didn't give me more because, yeah, he would
have just had a montage added on to every single
episode. My. My last point is just, is something
that from the Ringiverse van brought up. And when
(06:27):
I heard him say this, I was like, man, I wish that
you didn't, because this is exactly why I have an
issue with montages. He said it. He articulated it
so well. It's because when you insert a montage,
it's basically a reliance on that to kind of move
(06:48):
things along when. And kind of distract the viewer
from the fact that you don't got a lot more story
to tell. which is sad, because having gone through
now two seasons, 16 episodes with these
characters, These characters are really rich. And
you're telling me you couldn't tell, like, say
(07:10):
more, But I could go on. I have a few more other,
like, nitpicks and just overall annoyance, but
those were, like, my top big thoughts of just the
moment. The first montage happened so early in the
(07:31):
episode, I was like, oh, God.
>> Will (07:36):
So, well, let's. Let's break down some parts of
the episode. I mean, you know, yeah, there's the
montages. You know, for me, you know, of course,
we do get the flashback, and. And we get. You
know, we get the moment on the boat finally. You
know, we. We've. We've been dancing around the
boat all season. Chris, like, wants to talk about
(07:57):
the boat, what happened on the boat. And so we
finally do, you know, in typical James Gunn
fashion, we. We do get, We, you know, we get the
flashback to start off the episode.
>> Sarah (08:08):
Well, that's what they've been doing. That's the
gimmick. But not every episode has started with a
flashback.
>> Will (08:14):
No. All but what? Maybe one or two?
>> Sarah (08:17):
I think two. I think the. The two episodes that
don't start are way more predominantly in world Z.
And. And I don't. And I swear James Gunn has even
said that on his podcast about the show that every
episode starts with flashlight. I'm like, no, it
doesn't.
>> Will (08:37):
I think all but maybe one because, you know,
because even. You know.
>> Sarah (08:41):
Yeah, but. But he. But even saying all but one. He
didn't say all but one. He said all.
>> Will (08:48):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (08:49):
Okay.
>> Will (08:50):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (08:51):
Like, I know for sure there's one. There could be
two. But. Yeah. Anyway. So, like, yeah, because,
yeah, we knew we were gonna get from the very
first episode. That completely let me down. But
you continue.
>> Will (09:09):
Yeah. yeah. So it was. It was. It. It played out
differently than how I anticipated. So I guess
that's the thing, maybe. And maybe that's why
people are having maybe that, you know, maybe that
just set the tone for, for why so many people did
not like the episode. Because you know, we've
heard so much about this, this moment and that.
(09:31):
When it does finally play out, it's like I don't
know what, you know, everybody had their own, you
know, fan theory as far as like what happened and,
and maybe then that it was just basically just a
moment there between the two of them with Chris
awkwardly singing and, and, and her just basically
like you know, shutting down and, and you know,
(09:54):
basically reacting the way that we see her
throughout this season whenever they bring up the
moment and just, just generally around Chris.
Maybe that's where. Where it it, it started. It
went off the rails from, from that, from the get.
>> Sarah (10:07):
I don't. Yeah, I mean in my opinion, yeah, the
whole episode was pretty much off the rails. and,
and even like the, the opportunities were just
missed in my opinion. and just I, I'm already
checked out so I'm not going to check back in.
(10:30):
Things land flat. I don't. I think that in terms
of this flashback, I was thinking about it earlier
and the fact that me. And I've said this before,
I'm a die hard shipper. So you give me a romance,
I go all in. I'm like. And I root for that. And
(10:52):
I'm like why don't you give me more of that rather
than them Punch. Punch. Boom. Bo. So. So this
coming from somebody who loves love yet I just was
over this whole dynamic and, and it goes back to
not, not necessarily how this flashback plays out,
(11:13):
but the fact that we've basically in present day
have been viewing this flashback throughout the
entire season. So by the time they show us the
flashback it's like, yeah, so why are we like.
Like there was nothing about the flashback that
(11:39):
really like, like was like oh, that's interesting.
>> Will (11:45):
Ah.
>> Sarah (11:45):
That's a that's a conversation that I'm glad we
got. It was more like retread. Retread. The, the
one piece of information where I was like can we
hear more about that Was when Harcourt was
defending Adrian. That was it. There was one line
about it was like questioning his. Adrian's
(12:07):
relationship with Chris. And, and I was like why
can't we go back to that conversation and just
explore that like them talking about all ah. Of
the kids and their dynamic. But I, I just
everything else it was like we, I feel like we've
heard this conversation multiple times through
(12:28):
both perspectives and by the. So to the Point. By
the time you get the flashback, it, it doesn't
mean anything.
>> Will (12:36):
Yeah, yeah, I, I would agree with that. I mean I,
and like I said, my opening thoughts. I mean I was
as the, my, you know, the first three quarters or
so. Yeah. Two thirds of the episode, I would say.
Yeah, I was, I was wondering where it was going to
go and ah. And I think I was, I was underwhelmed
(12:56):
by the boat. The, the, the, the, the that the
flashback. I was. I mean I'm not going to sit here
and try to pretend that I'm not. I agree with you
that His speech, you know, whatever, whenever they
were talking about his relationship with Adrian,
that was that was the one thing that did stand out
from, from it all. And And, and it also just,
just, you know, just, just the just the
(13:19):
cinematography is as far as it was a shot. Really.
Well, I mean I just like the, I like the setting,
and all that. But beyond that, the, the, the. It,
it did. You're right. I mean I felt like, okay,
this should have been like earlier in the.
>> Sarah (13:32):
Season or not at all. Like not at all. Yeah, I, I
don't, I don't think that. I think that it's more
interesting when characters bring up conversations
that are not shown on screen. For example.
>> Will (13:51):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (13:52):
My favorite show last year was this show called
One Day. Okay.
>> Will (13:56):
Yep.
>> Sarah (13:57):
It's based off of a book.
In both the book and the show, what I found
fascinating is because each episode takes takes
place one day in a year. So each episode after,
once you've finished the first episode, then it's
a year later. The characters talk about stuff that
(14:17):
happened during that year, but we don't flash back
to it.
>> Will (14:20):
To it.
>> Sarah (14:21):
Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like this is a lived
in world. You don't feel flashback. So I don't, I
don't think that. I think at the end of the day,
in my opinion why the flashback didn't work is
because we didn't need it.
>> Will (14:35):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (14:36):
Because there was so much that led up to this
relationship. We needed more in the present day to
get resolution. And and it just, it, it didn't
work how I think that it should have.
>> Will (14:54):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (14:55):
In terms of their whole relationship this season.
>> Will (14:59):
Yeah. I You know what? Now that you've, now that
you mentioned it, I think you're right. I mean
this is a bet. This is one of those instances
where telling is actually better than showing
because the showing is not what would not like
ever come Close to the expectation that we've
gotten built up with the telling that we've seen
all season.
>> Sarah (15:17):
Yeah, yeah, they. They. They could have flashback
to like so many other more interesting things,
especially with Hardcore. And I think that's
another reason why I just did not. At the end of
the day, I'm not a fan of this season, nor this
finale in particular, is because I have not been
(15:37):
on Team Hardcore since the first episode this
season. She used me. She's frustrated me. And I.
Every now and then I'm like, oh, oh. And then. And
then they write her writer in a way where I'm just
like, the inconsistency in my opinion or. Or the
(15:57):
consistency. The point where I'm like, I get it.
Can we explore it a little bit more?
>> Will (16:03):
Yeah, yeah, I think. Yeah, yeah. I think it's the.
To me, it was. What I got got from you was more.
You get it. yeah. And what. You know, carry it
forward a little bit. and I guess, you know, I
guess when we went over to Earth X, it was like,
okay, we. We see, you know, we. We got a different
of her. You know, Chris's ideal, you know, you
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know, fantasy. Fantasy version of what he would,
you know, he anticipated with having relationship.
With having. With Harcourt. But. Yeah, I. I get. I
get your point.
>> Sarah (16:39):
Yeah. Yeah. And. And. And, to relate it
specifically to this episode, the absence of
Chris.
>> Will (16:50):
Yes.
>> Sarah (16:52):
just. Just led me. I was just like, oh, my God,
this is a hardcore episode. And then. So when it
became clear to me after watching the episode that
this was the more of the series finale makes me
all that more mad. I'm like, this show is called
Peacemaker, and Peacemaker was hardly in the final
episode, like in present day. What the.
>> Will (17:15):
Yeah, Or. Or it was a, it was a soft. It was a,
backdoor palette for Checkmate, which.
>> Sarah (17:22):
Okay. The term backdoor pilot. We have seen
backdoor pilots. I mean, we come from CW land.
Okay. We know what a backup. This was not a
backdoor pilot. Because you're. You're telling me
that backdoor pilot is literally basically a
montage? No, no, no. The full episode had to be. I
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get the term, but I think it's being applied a bit
loosely. This was more like. This was more like.
We finally realized that we actually have an
ensemble, so we can no longer continue with a show
called Peacemaker. So we're going to pivot into,
this. This, Checkmate show where we can actually
(18:07):
revolve around all of the characters a bit more.
As we conclude his overall arc and also kind of
leave him just, like, out there in Purgatory.
>> Will (18:20):
Yeah, well, I mean that, you know, he is in
purgatory. He is in Salvation. But I mean, getting
back to the point about the, you know, whether or
not it's going to be a third season or not. I
mean, it. I think you may have hit on something
there that he, you know, that if this show does
continue in whatever format, whether it's animated
or live action. yeah, I mean, you know, it. It
(18:44):
could be. It could be, you know, the. The
Checkmate show and, you know, if somehow Chris
does come back, or they may just show up in. In
other properties, you know, just down the line as
far as maybe the supporting characters.
>> Sarah (18:57):
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, we're gonna eventually see how
they're gonna get Peacemaker out. I don't foresee
him just indefinitely being stuck there. So they.
They. They have that tied in Checkmate, though. I
just want to, like. Because I have to, I guess,
(19:20):
say, like, a few things. I did, like.
>> Will (19:23):
Okay.
>> Sarah (19:25):
And. And this is why I'm okay if they want to go
to Checkmate. It's just one scene. It's not the
montage scene. It's the one scene between Flory
and Adrian. Yes. Those two should have their own
series. I. You know, shame on me, because I guess
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that's the one thing that did surprise me. This.
This, with this finale, because I. I had not
already, like, thought to myself what would. A
conversation between Adrian and Flurry would be,
but they gave it to me, and I was just like, oh,
my God. What? Where was this all season?
>> Will (20:05):
Yes, yes, yes. That was the. I. L. I did laugh out
loud with that one. I did. That's where. That's
where I was like, okay, this is where I had James
and maybe suffer through some. The whole m.
Opening theme song for just, you know, And. And
you. You got me back a little bit with the, With.
(20:27):
With that scene with Adriana Flurry. I. I will say
that.
>> Sarah (20:30):
Yeah. Yeah. Which, speaking about the opening
montage, how mad does it make you the fact that
when we talked about the first episode this season
and specifically the montage and we brought up
that alien guy, that was never.
>> Will (20:47):
It was never resolved. No, I, was looking. I was
like, come on. At least I was hoping he'd show up
one more time, even if, you know, especially when
they were, like, doing all the, you know, when
they were searching for salvation.
>> Sarah (20:59):
Oh, that's that search. Oh, my God.
>> Will (21:02):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (21:02):
I'm glad he didn't show up during that, because
that montage was like a nail in the coffin for me.
>> Will (21:10):
Yeah, well, when he showed up with the little
sales expected him to show up in the imp world
and, like, maybe saving the day or something.
Whenever. Whenever the imps were, like, taking out
the team and, you know, you know, and Flurry was,
like, getting butt in the face by the, by the one
thing and the, you know, the, the, you know, the
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one thing that, you know, Flurry did care about,
that kid that did get. Get that they get, killed,
by the team. so, you know, so it was like I, I
saw. I did what. I did listen to the, Ringer's
comment and I heard Van's thoughts on the episode.
I thought I was like, okay, I agree with. I'm glad
(21:58):
you brought up his. His. His point about the
montages and the story because again, I think
real. You know, before I listen to any podcast or
any. Anything or anything, I was. My. That was.
That was part. Part of m. My. My thoughts as well.
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I mean, like I said, I was. At the end of the day,
I was okay with the. With the finale. I mean, I've
seen. I mean, I've seen. You know, for Star Trek
fans, we're all familiar with the finale for the
show Enterprise, and, And on that show, Spoiler
alert. If you. If you're a Star Trek fan and you
(22:40):
haven't. If you're working your way through
Enterprise, there was a series starring Scott
Bakula. The. The finale. Spoiler alert. Was an
episode. It was. It was set in a holodeck, and it.
And actually they had Will Riker and Deanna Troy
in that episode. And Riker was going through a
crisis of confidence or whatever because of a
(23:03):
decision that he was having to make. And he was
basically, like, looking at this particular
mission of the Enterprise, in his holodeck thing.
And to this day, I am furious about that finale.
So the Peacemaker season finale or series finale
is definitely not that I wasn't. I didn't walk
away from this, like, damn, I wish I got an hour
of my life back. Unlike the Enterprise finale.
>> Sarah (23:25):
Right, right. It's. It's all relative. I mean,
that's. That's a strong point. And I. I think. And
that's why I preface my opinion about this finale
as the things I didn't like about this finale is
why I don't really care for the season as a whole.
And. And I know there are moments. I've talked
(23:46):
about a few of them. The other moment, which we
have to get into is Adebayo. Adebayo speech. I
mean, hats off to her. It was a beautiful
performance. It was a great speech. Loved. Got it
was stuck in the middle of a pile of. That's why
(24:09):
it was so jarring for me. I'm like, yeah, I want
to be on board with this. And yet for some reason,
I've been so emotionally detached for the last 45
minutes that I, I'm like, this is good. But yeah,
it's gonna end and we're gonna get back and, and
it really stuck out in particular because no one
(24:34):
else really was saying anything.
>> Will (24:36):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (24:39):
And it just. And, and again, as like I've said
that this season are kind of summed up in how I
feel about this episode. I have been on board with
Adebayo this entire season. She. All of those
scenes with her and Chris led up to that moment.
(24:59):
Those scenes prior, though, were just her and
Chris. I really wished that that scene had been
her and Chris.
>> Will (25:09):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (25:10):
And, and maybe to connect it even about her
experience and in the other world, that would have
been cool, but.
>> Will (25:18):
That would have been totally cool. Yes.
>> Sarah (25:19):
yeah. Yeah, it would. I, I, it just, it would have
given more weight to the fact that we spent so
much time there and, and just to also allow.
Because we got so inundated with. With Chris's
perspective of that world that it would have been
nice considering both judomaster and Adebayo were
(25:43):
in that world to be for, like, for her to explain
or, or do something with that. But it's just.
>> Will (25:52):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (25:53):
like, it was so quick. It was like, yay. Okay,
we're done.
>> Will (26:00):
Yeah. You know, I'm glad you brought that point up
because, you know, whenever, Because I know
earlier in the season when we talked about when
Chris and Annabello had that, that heart to heart
moment earlier in the season about the grass.
>> Sarah (26:12):
Is always greener right before he goes through. Y.
>> Will (26:15):
Right before he goes through. And it would, you
know, you're right that, I mean, it was already an
Emmy winning monologue to begin with, but that
would have just taken all of this season to the
next level if, if they had, if he had made that,
that tied that full connection because we talked
about that with, you know, with Chris now, you
(26:37):
know, especially, you know, not, you know, that I
think it was episode two or three when they, or
four when they had that conversation and then, you
know, tying it to like the blinders that he had
on, like all the whiteies around and, and, and
then even when, even, when Harcourt pointed it
(26:58):
out. You're right. I mean, if. If they had
connected the two, that would have just taken
this, the whole thing to the next level. And I
think. And I think. I mean, I think James got up
to the line, but, you know, and maybe this is
where, you know, when you have, you know, gets.
This gets into a larger philosophical point about
having diverse writers rooms.
>> Sarah (27:17):
Yeah.
>> Will (27:18):
Because if you have different voices in the
writers room, maybe a writer of color or a woman
or, you know, gay, lesbian, whoever, you know, can
you provide that. That little extra perspective
that you. And, you know, or even if it's a black
writer, you know, having a white person, you know,
(27:40):
anybody having that extra other perspective in the
room helps you flesh out the stories.
>> Sarah (27:47):
Right.
>> Will (27:48):
And I think that. And to your point, I think that
would have really fleshed out already. Well
written moment. I mean, I can't. I can't deny it.
I mean, I got a lump in my throat whenever, like,
whenever she delivered it because it was very
powerful, but it would have taken it to the next
level.
>> Sarah (28:01):
Yeah. And. And I think to that point, just her.
Her other storyline with her wife or girlfriend.
Like, because when we circled back to that in this
episode, I was like, I don't care. I don't care.
(28:22):
Like. Like, early on and. And be. And I mainly say
that not because I don't care about Adebayo.
>> Will (28:30):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (28:30):
It's more about just. It's been so long since
we've had a scene between those two that it's
like, oh, we're. Why are we going back here now? I
mean, Chris is in jail. And that whole absence of
Chris in this episode was just felt more. When we
circled back on these lame storylines when, like,
(28:52):
we could have had more conversation. I. I love
when she manipulates Adrian.
>> Will (28:57):
Oh, yeah, that was another one.
>> Sarah (28:59):
I'm a better friend to Chris. Like, that was. That
was great. And. And then to everything. What. You
could have had more conversations between Chris
and her about so much. And. And even economists.
Like, yeah, granted, he got a little bit more
because Eagly. I mean, we all love our little,
(29:22):
animated animal in any gun movie.
>> Will (29:26):
Yeah. And Steve, Steven, AJ got to improv a, bad
joke bit line, you know, whenever we're trying to
discover the plants, as far as, you know, with
salvation.
>> Sarah (29:36):
But Right, right. Like. Like, it just. It felt
like it continues to feel like, okay, James, yeah,
you set all of this up, but did you not know where
you're going? Or did you think you knew? And then
he got distracted by Supes I don't know.
>> Will (29:58):
Yeah, yeah, that's possible. Well, it's
interesting too, because I know he had, I know on
the podcast he did say that he, you know, he
finished it with the montage and then Peter,
Saffron was. And again, that's the perspective I
was talking about. You know, he did show the
script to someone and he did get, get, did get,
you know, feedback to be like, yeah, you need to
add something more to it. And I guess that's when
he decided to like add the salvation stuff to it,
(30:19):
which, you know, gets, gets, you know, again, it's
a, you know, it takes the show and just feels it,
you know, well, gives it that connective tissue
with the larger, larger piece.
>> Sarah (30:30):
I, I don't know if I misunderstood that because I
understood that like the salvation stuff was
there. All he tacked on was just leaving Chris in
salvation at the end.
>> Will (30:43):
Yeah, okay. Yeah, maybe that's it. Maybe that was
it. Yeah.
>> Sarah (30:46):
because if he had turned in a script without all
that salvation script, then, this would have been
a 10 minute episode with maybe 30 minutes of
montage. I don't know. That's pretty scary. So,
so, yeah.
>> Will (31:05):
What did you think? Yeah, what did you think about
the salvation stuff?
>> Sarah (31:07):
I mean, I don't care.
>> Will (31:10):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (31:12):
I don't give, I just, that, that kind of stuff. I,
I, I checked completely out of it. I don't care
about, like, there are no stakes when people that
you just meet in one scene before suddenly die,
even though it has an impact on others, like, and,
(31:36):
and talk about another missed opportunity.
Flurry's been around now for a few episodes and
then it still caught me off guard though, when all
of a sudden they're doing Checkmate and Flurry
shows up and I'm like, oh, I mean, I get it, but
I, I feel like that could have been executed more.
Judo Master could have been utilized in this
(31:56):
episode. He wasn't. And then he was tacked on in
at the end as well.
>> Will (32:00):
He. Yeah, so. Well, they were, you know, Judah
Master was in, in there. He was just in the scenes
when they were like searching. Yeah, he was in
the, in the suits. But I get your point at that
point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, but I get your
point about Flurry. I think there were small
moment, there were moments throughout the season.
And I know one, I know one episode, episode, where
(32:23):
I was going to mention Flurry and we, we didn't
get it. We didn't get circled back to it, but
whenever economists, booked Chris into the, to the
system. So that Flag couldn't, you know, base. You
know, basically there will be a record of him
being there. So Flag couldn't. I mean, ultimately
he did, like, find a way to get rid of Chris, but,
(32:44):
you know, at least earlier in the season, he
could. He wasn't able to do so with Flurry, like,
you know, knowledge. What John did and said, that
was a good, you know, good, good move there. So, I
mean, there has been, like, little moments
throughout the season that I think, you know, that
even though Flurry, Flurry definitely has his
issues, you know, they were. They were building
towards that moment. So when he showed up, I was
(33:05):
like, okay. Yeah. At the end of the day, you know,
within his own system. Within the system, he. He
was able to, like, you know, take, you know,
acknowledged, the wrongs that were. That were
taking place there. And then, of course, whenever
the kid that he was, like, picking on all season
gets killed and he realized, like, oh, this is
really up.
>> Sarah (33:27):
Yeah.
>> Will (33:28):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (33:30):
anything else you want to talk about before we
move on to Gen B?
>> Will (33:34):
no, I think, I think we covered it all. I mean, as
far as, As far as Peacemaker, I mean, it was. It
was good. Like I said, it was okay. I mean, I've
seen. I've seen worse finales, but, But I
definitely understand why people are upset for a
variety of reasons.
>> Sarah (33:50):
all right, so gen V season 2, episode 6 cooking
lessons. Worried, about the coming culture war and
apocalypse. Ride it out in style and comfort.
Sustainable septic systems and feng feng shui.
Blast proof and billionaire approved. The world
may be burning, but you'll be 30ft underground
(34:12):
with a glass of 82 Bordeaux. Act now before it's
too late. I would have had no. You know, the
lovely thing is if I'd read that, like, before
watching the episode, I would have had no idea
what. I was like, what the are they talking about?
>> Will (34:33):
Yeah, it's like. Yeah. Titled Cooking Lessons.
And. Yeah, I was just like, like, okay. yeah.
>> Sarah (34:38):
Ah.
>> Will (34:38):
Because I saw the title before I was able to watch
it, and, Yeah.
>> Sarah (34:43):
And so. So, I mean, we. We kind of touched on it
briefly with Peacemaker. and we didn't delve too
much into it. The expanded universe.
>> Will (34:54):
Yes.
>> Sarah (34:54):
So watching the Peacemaker finale and more
importantly, the fallout given the. Well, he told
me Supes was going to show up and everything.
Yeah, whatever. So to then watch Gen V and
specifically this episode, which. Yeah, I don't
know if their writers room or their producers had
(35:17):
any idea that like this would be a perfect little
parallel thing happening. and really shows how
good of a show GENV is is Stan, Edgar and Zoe show
up in this episode. And this is why. And it just.
I sat there when they appeared and I was like,
(35:41):
this is great.
>> Will (35:42):
Yep.
>> Sarah (35:43):
I'm. They have managed to do extended universe
like no one else. Because as a viewer, I am fully
aware the boys is. Shares this universe. Yet I am
also not predicting and anticipating when the boys
(36:04):
characters show up. And I do not have expectations
because the characters of Gen V stand alone. So
yet the utilization just. Just amplifies. I mean
we talked about this a little bit last week like
the, the re. Or. Or actually for the past few
(36:24):
weeks as we've talked about season two. Because
you have to remember the, the state of the
politics surrounding supes in this world at this
time. That school is really a safe place for these
particular kids given, given their powers and
(36:45):
their abilities. So there, there's a, there's a
very hard irony there. and, and, and that's really
where the conflict is. Is that like oh my God, my,
my. My jail is my home. So, so. But to go back to
Stan and Zoe, like, yeah, you could say it's a bit
(37:08):
of a cop out because it's like they, they clearly
were outmatched. And then they, they busted Zoe
and Stan to kind of save the day and give some
shelter. But it's, it's also so connected because
we've seen Stan since what season one of the Boys
and we know he operates. We know his relationship
(37:31):
with Vought, it's. And, and Newman, the Newman of
it all. It just like yes, it allowed us to break
out of Elmyra, but also put us in a, A different
kind of safe place to give everybody a chance to
breathe. And then to set us up for like the final
(37:52):
two episodes of the season. We got two more.
Right. One that premiered today and then next
week. So we still got two more.
>> Will (38:00):
Yep.
>> Sarah (38:00):
but, but yeah, like that. That's what for this
episode that the fact that we have Stan and Zoe
show up so seamlessly. that's. That was my biggest
takeaway from this episode.
>> Will (38:19):
Yeah, I, I 100 there with you. just, just really
you set it up perfectly there and said it
perfectly. You know, this was ah. It was world
building but still they kept thing, you know, kept
things contained in this story because these
characters can, can execute things on their own.
(38:40):
and it. Yeah, I mean with, with one thing too as
far as like with, you know, with Stan showing up
and, you know, and yes, you know, he. At the end
of the day, he is still trying to, you know,
formally build his way back and take over the
company. And yeah, he provided these kids, you
(39:02):
know, shelter and safe haven, but at the end of
the day, he is still at his core. It wasn't
altruistic. It was transactional. Yeah, yeah. And
I. Look, you know, and that's. And that's. That.
That. That is the, you know, that is the
consistency of character that I. That I appreciate
in storytelling. you know, so. Because I was like,
(39:24):
okay, Stan show. When he showed up, I was like. I
was like, wow, I wasn't expecting that. But, okay,
what angle is he going to be playing here?
>> Sarah (39:34):
Right?
>> Will (39:34):
It's like rolling all of this.
>> Sarah (39:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's like, I'm not expecting that, but
I'm also not expecting. Nor. Nor was it a
different character. It's not like he went on a
journey and suddenly is a different character. No,
all of. All of the conniving and the. The business
(39:56):
side of him is still there. It's still Stan. So he
just has different motivations. And, And I think
that consistency of character that you just talked
about is arguably why, despite all of the shock
value and all of the nonsense that goes on in both
Gen V and the boys, their villains. Consistent,
(40:22):
consistent. Consistent. And. And arguably, like, I
didn't realize we also needed to know more about
Cypher. And this is arguably kind of where I have
a little bit of issue with this episode. but then
again, I predicted that last week because I. I was
(40:42):
so in love with that episode. Episode. Yeah, it's
that it's. We've talked enough about what's going
on, specifically with Cypher, that it just felt
like the characters needed to catch up. And I'm
never a big fan of when my characters are behind,
from. From what the viewers understand is going on
(41:05):
in the world. Now, were we given definite answers?
No. But then again, there was an entire scene
where we literally had to watch Jordan put it
together. The fact that Godolkin is the dad in
the, the chamber that Cipher has. So I would like,
like, I was like, I didn't really need to watch
(41:27):
that and especially have it be dragged out for a
minute.
>> Will (41:32):
Yeah, I was okay with that, actually. I mean,
because I know. I get. I get what you're saying
about, you know, the viewers are ahead of the
characters, but it was. It was a. It was a good
moment. And again, talking about the. How. How
these two shows, while they're connected, they
are, you know, they, they still have their own
(41:53):
individual stories that they're telling.
And, and, and but you know, so, you know, because
we learn, you know, we learned that Homelander
and, and Marie are both basically, you know,
products of Odessa, successful products. So, you
know, so again it serves the story in both the
boys proper and Gen V. and, and you know, and we
(42:17):
get, you know, we get a little bit more details
too, you know, you know, you know, we're using Gen
V. You know, we learned, you know, and they did it
earlier in the season as well. Like for example,
when Cypher and Sister, say, showed up, you know,
as far as.
>> Sarah (42:29):
Yeah.
>> Will (42:31):
Her angle. So these shows do work very well with
each. The two of them work very well with each
other to, to just, you know, to advance. Advance
things in both their respective shows.
>> Sarah (42:45):
Yeah, yeah. I, I think what was my issue though
with a lot of the. The answers, quote unquote, if
you will.
>> Will (42:55):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (42:56):
Because they're not really straightforward
answers. Is the, the more and more apparent that
if I'm wrong about my theory that it's really
Godolkin controlling his own son? Yeah, I don't
know what we're doing because it was very apparent
(43:18):
in this episode everything we learned from Stan
about not. Not really Cipher, but specifically
good Dulcien points to like he is a. He is a Soup
and that is his ability. And. But, but then again,
I think the one thing that isn't clear is what
(43:38):
we've discussed before is okay, is it that he
wants his body to be healed or is it that he wants
to fully take over his son's body? And there is
that scene in this episode when he is cleaning his
father and then smacks the out of him and then
calls him vomit and all of this stuff. And it just
(44:01):
reminded me so much of Homelander.
>> Will (44:03):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (44:04):
Like the. When these supes, get. Get so tainted in
ego and self loathing, like that manifests in such
a volatile way that it's, it's very on brand with
the, the characters and also specifically the
(44:27):
Soups, like the mentality of that. And you have
that juxtaposed with this also quote unquote
revelation that Cypher. Cypher basically once.
Once to. To He only wants the best of us. He's.
(44:47):
He's basically the hits Hitler of the. Of the
Soups.
>> Will (44:55):
Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, you know, we do learn in
this episode that the plan, ultimate plan is to
like cancel out kill 75 of the student population
here at Godolkin. So Yeah. So, I mean, you're.
You're not. You're not far off with your. Your
analogy there.
>> Sarah (45:12):
No, no, not really. I mean, he definitely wants a
genocide to. To have the cream of the crop. And.
And that's why I was thinking about it. Why m. It
made sense to me because earlier in the season,
when we see, Emma interact with, the students who
(45:33):
are the starlighters, their powers are not like
all that enviable. Right. And that's why Vulcan
has this. This program of like rank and order. It
totally is aligned with. With that perspective. So
(45:55):
it didn't come out of left field either. It's
like. No, no, no. That we. We should have. We
should have thought about. Yeah, that makes sense
that that would be your plan given everything
we've been shown specifically about the school.
>> Will (46:08):
Yep. Yeah, that's a very good observation. That's
a very good. I hadn't thought about that. But
you're right. I mean, Because all, you know,
because all those kids on that arts track,
basically. Yeah. They. They're for whatever
reason, where you have Emma who, you know, can't
control her powers at will. to. To the people we.
You know, to the, Bushmaster.
>> Sarah (46:34):
But never gonna forget it. Yeah. It's like you're
special, but you're not special enough. So it's.
It's. So it's such a. And. And it's not as though
we haven't seen similar characters because as I'm
talking about Cypher, in that perspective, it
remind of season, two of the boys with, Storm. I
(46:57):
forgot. Yeah.
>> Will (46:59):
Stormfront. Stormfront.
>> Sarah (47:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Will (47:03):
Which. Which. Go ahead. Yeah, no, I was gonna say.
Yeah. I mean, we know she. Yeah, yeah, we knew. We
know about the Nazi background with her. And. And
also, Even we, you know, we've seen the
paraphernalia, you know, with. In. In the past,
with Godolkin and. And. And also. Yeah, so you're
(47:25):
right. I mean, it's completely on brand, this
whole eugenics, you know, genocidal plan that he
has, but, you know, he has for the school.
>> Sarah (47:33):
Yeah. Yeah. And, The. The last scene I want to
talk about, Cipher is just the cipher and
polarity. What were your thoughts about that
interaction?
>> Will (47:43):
Yeah, well, I think a couple things. One, I think
it definitely confirmed that, you know, Cipher,
you know, the dad is controlling. this is the.
It's a funnel to, you know, using a son to control
Cipher and. And also to, you know, and with
polarity. I mean, I thought it was a Pretty you
(48:05):
know, whenever he, when he showed up and he's
like, what was it? The Looks like what. You know,
what kind of Waffle House brawl like happened here
last night. You know, like this, this guy. I mean,
you know, credit to like the, the right to Eric
Kripke and the writers crew for the boys. I mean
they, they know how, they know how to still write
(48:25):
dialogue and cast people because it was a well
written scene. But also just the delivery by the
actor who plays Cipher, ah, just delivered it
perfectly. But also you know, just the dynamics
between Cipher and utilizing polarity to to. To.
To track down the kids. and, and in the process,
(48:45):
uncover the starlighter cell at the school.
everything. You know, it was, it was, it was
definitely. I, I like the scene and I liked how.
How polarity now that you know how he went from
being sort of the company guy and, and. And all
(49:06):
about Vault and the, you know, the popularity and
the. I mean, I think back as far as like in season
one when he was, you know, talk about Andre with
the you know, essentially the sponsorships and all
that kind of stuff, and, and marketing and all
that. And then how, you know, in this episode when
(49:28):
he, you know, when he gathered himself and just
like, you know, he's like, I have nothing to lose
now. And he just gathered it all up and just, you
know, for, you know, threw Cipher out of the.
Through the window and stuff. I just really like
that moment. I thought that was just like, okay,
we, you know, the kids now do have an. A trusted
ally that they can rely on who's. Who's a little
(49:48):
bit more seasoned soup, to be that, you know,
mentor, whatever. The other thing too was. I was
just so worried that Cipher was going to like kill
him at that end of that scene too.
>> Sarah (49:59):
Yeah, that's what, that's what I was gonna bring
up was like the, the The horror of it. Yeah, there
the, the scenes when he is fully in control of his
body and his mind and everything. Like we heard
about it and we saw a glimpse with Jordan. But the
(50:21):
Knowing now Jordan's perspective on that incident,
and then to watch it play out with polarity just
amplified because, because you're just suddenly
like, oh, now we're getting the visual context.
Yeah, that. Because you. The helplessness and. And
(50:41):
yeah, Cipher or polarity did gather enough
strength to. To push him out the window. But don't
forget, the connection broke again, very similar
to what happened with Jordan. Like there is a
weakness There, which of, course for all of these,
these soups, there, there, there is a, a flaw.
(51:04):
that is often the fatal flaw. But there, we don't,
we don't know if it depends on the length of time,
how much, because he was fully like just going at
it and it, it seemed like a long duration, a lot
longer than Jordan. But, but eventually the, the
(51:25):
connection did break. so, yeah, I think that was
interesting. to go back to the kids in the bunker.
>> Will (51:33):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (51:34):
I just want to get this out of the way. not
because I don't want to talk about it, but because
in terms of everybody else, it, it doesn't really
seem that much important. But I love you and I
love you and Emma. But I, and, and personally, I,
(51:57):
I do want them to get back together, but I also
know why they're not. I totally get that. But I
was just like, dude, you just had one good
conversation with your mom, okay, and you kinda
Kool Aid it, but you're not gonna immediately jump
back into the bed with Emma. but yeah, I, I, I
(52:20):
liked it how that conversation played out just
because, there is still chemistry between them.
And we, we know, we've known that. But we also, I
can appreciate that we very much understand why
they're not together and why he has a few more
things to do before he ever can, can get back to
(52:43):
that place with her in particular. so, but yeah,
yeah, yeah, I.
>> Will (52:49):
Thought, yeah, it was, it was. You know, I like
the way that scene played out. I mean, I know they
were, they seem like it was like they were going
to kiss, but at the same time, you know, it was
very, it was. Yeah. He's got a lot, a lot to atone
for before. And it also too, you know, whenever,
you know, speaking about how, they were having to
(53:12):
use the, you know, Instagram to you know, get the
messages out and stuff because Emma couldn't
remember, remember the phone number. yeah, but,
whenever. Whenever what? The thing, the other
thing that stuck out with me was to see with Sam
getting all like, you know, who's the dude that
slid into your DMs.
>> Sarah (53:29):
Which, which that's been telegraphed. But, yeah,
I, the but, but Sam, what they continue to do with
him that I like this season is reminding us about
his experience in season one, because again, it's
brought up he does not like the bunker because of
his PTSD from the woods. And I thought that was
(53:50):
great because I wasn't expecting m. It. But it
makes sense. Makes total Sense And. And. And
remember when the woods was a thing and he was in
there for so long. I mean, he wasn't in Elmira
this past summer with everyone else, but he did go
through the woods, so he does understand what
that's like. so. So I. I like that. Call back.
(54:13):
this episode, we get confirmation that Annabeth
did get V, although she does not know from where
and from who. And she has very shakish pre. Cog,
as Kate put it, powers, which allows her to get
visions of the future, but they don't always work.
They don't always come. Expects them to. and we
(54:36):
also see her have a panic attack. And so, we're
finding a little bit more about. We. We suspected,
even though the aunt claimed she wasn't.
>> Will (54:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah. I mean, whenever
they revealed her to have powers, I was like,
okay, yeah. I mean, it wasn't like a. Yeah. I
mean, especially, you know, I did like the way,
you know, the fact that she does have Precog
power. So, it does make you wonder, like, in
addition to one, you know, she never was able to
(55:11):
get an answer to the question as far as, did mom
and dad also inject me? Or is. Was it just some
residual stuff in, you know, Mom's, you know, DNA
or whatever from, you know, from the injection
from. From Marie? you know, still. Still there.
You know, so we don't know. And so I did, you
(55:34):
know, so it makes it all. Not only does it make
sense for why she still, you know, have one of
these feelings of just resentment and, you know,
anger towards Marie for what happened because they
were so little and ever, you know, and it never.
Marie never did get a chance to tell her about it.
So she's had years to, like, you know, for these
walls to get built up. But then also the Precog
(55:57):
power, you know, maybe she's seen some things,
glimpses of a potential future. And it's just, you
know, because, you know, because we don't know
how, you know. You know, the only thing we've seen
of her Precog powers was just the fact that she
knew that Sam was about to show up and.
>> Sarah (56:15):
Yeah.
>> Will (56:17):
Yeah. So that was only, you know, that was a very
short amount of time. We don't know if it's only a
very, you know, short temporal thing or can she
see, you know, in months or years into the, you
know, into the future. So, I mean, there could be,
like, a potential thing that she sees that maybe,
like, Marie does, like, link up with Edgar to take
(56:38):
on Homelander or whatever. You know, who knows?
>> Sarah (56:40):
Right, Right. My, My theory, out of this
revelation in this episode is, Marie leaves the
bunker at the end of the episode. But yes, we will
talk about Kate. Just a second, though. My theory
is she left leaves because of Annabeth and she
needs. She. Marie thinks the only person who can
(57:03):
help her is Cypher. And by helper, I mean she.
He's told her and she literally brings annabeth
back to life. So. And, we know that, like, it's
all about the genes and it's all about blood. So
is there a way for her to use her abilities to
(57:24):
essentially take out that Gen V from her sister so
her sister does not have to be a soup.
>> Will (57:32):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (57:34):
She can fix it. Right. That's the only. That's
what her sister says, and explains is like, you
can't help me. And so she does what a naturally a
big sister who feels like she owes a debt to her
younger sister will do.
>> Will (57:51):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (57:52):
So. So that's, that's my theory about why she
leaves. and great song choice, by the way, with
the ending. I, for some reason, I haven't heard
that song in a while, but it just fit really well
with the mood and the whole aesthetic. Aesthetic.
And then to also have then a conversation with
Marie, and Kate. I, I want to preface this,
(58:16):
though. Kate and Emma had arguably my favorite
line in this episode when Emma's like, say
something nice to battle me. So many levels there
about. And very simple is like, like, what a why.
(58:37):
And, and also I need some help with that. I just.
That whole thing. yeah, I love Kate, I really do,
because she just continues to be very fascinating.
I say that every single week because there is.
(58:58):
She's walking a line that I've seen no other
character in this, in this universe walk. And it
is that line of she could be as bad, and we've
seen her be as bad as the worst of them, but she
(59:19):
is so broken. She is that, that. So, so I have so
much empathy. And even last season when she went,
when she went, when she chose that path, I was
like, oh, I hate it, but I also understand why you
did. I get it. But I hate the choice. So I, I, I
(59:43):
can appreciate that about her and also appreciate
that about Sam. and, and I, and I, and I think
she's smart. I like, I like characters who are
smart because she, she is very much in the
background observing everything, listening, and
she puts it together. She's like Brie, you. If you
(01:00:06):
help me to fix me, we can take on Cypher. But hey,
Kate, one small thing. Marie don't trust you.
Okay. I. I think it's gonna take a lot more, but I
do. I just. There's something about that image of
them of. Of Marie m leaving and, and that long
(01:00:29):
road and the big gate and then Kate following at a
distance. I. There was just. It's so poetic.
>> Will (01:00:38):
It was. That was the. I love the way that that
scene was shot. It was. It was. It definitely was
very poetic, like you said. And, And I agree. I
mean, I think whether. Whether Kate following
along like you said to, Was it altruistic or was
it, you know, transactional again, you know,
again, we, you know, go back to that theme with
these. These characters in. In the boys and
(01:00:59):
universe. it. You know, it. It. One way or
another, Marie's gonna probably have to help her
get her powers back in order for Marie to do what
she. Whatever she wants, you know, to serve the
larger story, whatever that is. I mean, at this
point, I think you're right with your theory about
Marie going us back to Cipher to basically, you
(01:01:23):
know, find a way to take the bee out of Annabelle,
out of Beth. and then of course, Cypher will. Will
gladly do so, but you know, you know, again, he
will probably want something in return. And. And
that is.
>> Sarah (01:01:39):
Oh, she's not gonna tell him.
>> Will (01:01:42):
No, no, no, no.
>> Sarah (01:01:43):
Yeah, yeah. He. She's gonna try to get training so
that. So that he can build her up, but. But that's
her end goal for whatever. Like. Like. Yeah, and.
But I think you're. You're right. Like, Kate,
what's been set up now as how they get out of this
(01:02:04):
situation is the, The. You gotta first fix Kate.
Arguably, it can't really be broken in season
three, so. So Kate needs to be fixed by the end of
this season. yeah. To open up potential of like.
Okay, now that you're fixed, whose side are you
really on?
>> Will (01:02:24):
Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm trying to put myself back
in, like in my early, late, late teens, early 20s,
as far as my pref. Frontal cortex is not fully
developed. And I. Even though. Even though here at
my age now, I don't know if it's still. If it is,
but, like, you know, they're only looking at
what's in front of them. So I'm just trying to
figure out. Yeah. So I think you're right. She
won't tell him what the purpose is. Cipher made a
(01:02:45):
deduce it. You know he made deduce it from the
actions and stuff. Especially now that you know,
she's broken him out.
Broken annabeth out. Yeah.
>> Sarah (01:02:55):
That's fair.
>> Will (01:02:56):
so m. But yeah, it's just. I just these next two
episodes just. I mean I can't wait to watch
episode seven later this week and and, and see
where things go and you know our, our theories may
be completely blown up by the time I watch it but
at the same time, I, at the end of the day she's
(01:03:20):
going to go back to Cypher. I just, I can't see
her doing anything. Anything else. because I can't
see her. It doesn't make sense for her to go to
Starlight.
>> Sarah (01:03:29):
Well, I see when you. I was like, oh, starlight
might come. I don't know. We got two episodes. Two
episodes. So I don't know. I. Eventually Marie and
Cipher are going to be back.
>> Will (01:03:44):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (01:03:44):
In the same room. and I don't, I don't know if
that immediately happens or if it takes a while to
get there. So, so we, we, we have some time. I I
don't. Yeah, yeah. And I don't want to speculate
too much because I've already done way too much
(01:04:05):
theory spiraling about this show but I guess maybe
the, the one thing that's in the back of my mind
is contemplation. Can I continue with Cypher
through season three or does he, is he a bad guy
who's like one season and done which the boys
universe is known for like having bad guy one
(01:04:27):
season done. So, so, but it, it all depends. I do
think we need more definite answers about him and
Golan by the end of this or what was it all for?
>> Will (01:04:41):
Right.
>> Sarah (01:04:41):
So. So we, we. Yeah.
>> Will (01:04:44):
Yeah. Well I think we. I think I have a feeling
that Cipher is going to make it through this
season in some form or fashion. whether, whether
like it's our theory where the dad does manage to
fuse himself in the body into his son's body or,
or, or, or something, you know, stabilize that
(01:05:05):
connection. Because I just think with all the,
with Edgar showing up, you know to re. Establish
himself which you know, Stan's always. Stan's
going, Stan's going to make it to the end of this
thing. So and you know, and, and I think Sage will
need Cypher to help her, you know, take over
(01:05:27):
Vaught. so I think that that storyline is going to
sort of. It's getting hatched here but we'll see
it carried forward in The Boy Season 5. So I think
we'll see Cypher show up in a Boy Season 5. I
might be wrong, but I think he's going to make it
out of the season to play a role. He may not make
it through season five of the boys, but I think
he's going to show up at least in season five of
(01:05:49):
the boys.
>> Sarah (01:05:50):
The only thing that I disagree about with that,
those hypotheticals is Sister Sage doesn't need
him to control Vaught. She's already in control.
He, she needs him to control Homelander. Yeah,
well, needs Godolkin to control the Soups. So
there's a whole other. Other conversation. but,
(01:06:13):
but yeah, the, a more interesting thing to do
though would be actually for, for Godolkin to die
at the end of this season and for then us, to be.
Still have cipher yet. It's actually cipher, if
you know what I mean. You know, and, and having
(01:06:34):
that whole situation because again, how long has
Godolkin been in control of him and what does that
mean?
>> Will (01:06:43):
Yeah, so that's a good point. That's a good point.
>> Sarah (01:06:45):
Well, on that note, Will, why don't you tell our
listeners where they can find you?
>> Will (01:06:50):
Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will
and Polk. W I L L M P O.
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Good night. Geek out. You're welcome.
Foreign.
>> Sarah (00:11):
Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah
Belmont, and with me, as always, is our Mr.
Producer, Will Polk How are you doing tonight,
Will?
>> Will (00:18):
Doing very well, Sarah. How are you doing this
evening?
>> Sarah (00:22):
Doing fine. I mean, it's Wednesday and I'm so used
to recording on Mondays that I'm.
>> Will (00:30):
Oh, I know.
>> Sarah (00:30):
Man, this week is taking forever.
>> Will (00:33):
Yep. Yeah, I know, I know. Well, I was, I was
traveling some for work, and, and then we were
supposed to record last night, but, you know, the
jet lag, kicked my ass. So here we are, Wednesday
night.
>> Sarah (00:46):
Yeah, yeah, here. Here we are. And, before we got
onto the show, I will freely admit, I clicked on,
unknowingly clicked on September 15 rundown that
we did like a month ago, thinking, like, not even
registered. And then I, I, I went to a different,
(01:07):
different tab on my browser. And then when I
returned, I like, read the start. I'm like, we're
not talking about Dune 2. I was like, I'm in the
wrong rundown.
>> Will (01:19):
Wrong rundown. Run down.
>> Sarah (01:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're, we know. We're not. We're
wrapping up Peacemaker, and then we're continuing
on the Gen V road. and, and then next week we get
to start severance. So. Yes, season two. Okay,
everybody. And no, nobody say you have to watch
season one. We have watched season one. We just
(01:41):
never talked about it in depth.
>> Will (01:44):
Exactly. Exactly.
>> Sarah (01:45):
And we also watched it like. Well, me, I, I
watched it maybe two, three years ago, so there's.
>> Will (01:52):
Yeah, yeah, there's that little thing too. Yeah,
I, I am, I am planning on doing a re. Watch this
this week just to refresh my memory because it's
been, it's been a minute, so.
>> Sarah (02:02):
Yeah, yeah, I, I am not planning on, I am planning
on them doing, previously on. And then be like,
cool. Okay. Because I, I don't know. I mean, they,
it takes so long for shows to get produced that I
kind of feel like, you know, I, I'd rather go into
(02:25):
the new season, however long of a time in between,
and just, just call it good. I mean, this season
only just premiered back in January of this year,
so. Yeah, yeah, it would have been very similar
had I, had I just watched it in January. So. But
(02:46):
anyway, Peacemaker, the season finale, slash,
probably series finale. It's still a bit murky,
but all for, for all gun and purposes, it's the
series finale. Season two, episode eight, Full
Nelson as Flag puts everyone around him in
(03:08):
increasing danger. The 11th street kids must
Convince Peacemaker that he's one of them. Okay.
Will, what do you think about this finale?
>> Will (03:18):
So my overall thoughts on the finale. I know
there's been a lot of discussion about it and. And
all that, but personally, I will say my real time
reaction when I was watching it was I was. For the
first bit of it, I was like, huh? And then. And
(03:41):
then whenever they got to the big moment the that
was when I was like, okay, I, you know, I. I was
like, better. And then by the end with it all, I
was just like. When it finished, I kind of sat
with it for a minute and I was like, you know
what? I was okay with it. I really was. And, And.
(04:01):
And maybe this is just part of the benefit of just
sort of like, not being like, so on social media
as much as I used to, you know, and hearing, like,
how James. You know, because I think people were
expecting the big, you know, big reveals or, you
know, and I know, apparently, I guess Gun must
have hyped it up on threads or whatever. But I
was. I was. I, you know, I. I wasn't like, going.
(04:24):
I didn't really go into it, like, expecting
anything like Superman showing up or anything like
that. I was sort of like, okay, this episode in
many ways felt like an epilogue.
>> Sarah (04:38):
Yeah, I, I really hate this episode. And maybe
wait's a strong word. I don't like it. I don't
like the season in general, so. And. And I'm. I'm
not on the side side of like, well, he told me
Superman was gonna show up. We all know that when
(04:59):
you say, like, you're not really online to theory
spiral about that, we all know that I am, like, 25
degrees removed from that. So not writing this is
how it should have done. I just like. And I think,
you know, new while watching it. Sarah's not gonna
(05:21):
like this because I did montages. There are. I
checked out so hard by the second montage and. Oh,
my God. why. Why the song. The song choices
weren't even good, in my opinion. I'm not. And,
And I understand that, like, it's all taste and
(05:44):
preference. that is not my preferred sound. So I
just. I. I mean. And this is an hour. Okay. And we
talked about this, and I've mentioned it, how a
lot of these episodes this season, I'm just like,
they're going so quickly. And I. And. And in a
(06:04):
way, I was like, I wanted more. Well, now I'm glad
he didn't give me more because, yeah, he would
have just had a montage added on to every single
episode. My. My last point is just, is something
that from the Ringiverse van brought up. And when
(06:27):
I heard him say this, I was like, man, I wish that
you didn't, because this is exactly why I have an
issue with montages. He said it. He articulated it
so well. It's because when you insert a montage,
it's basically a reliance on that to kind of move
(06:48):
things along when. And kind of distract the viewer
from the fact that you don't got a lot more story
to tell. which is sad, because having gone through
now two seasons, 16 episodes with these
characters, These characters are really rich. And
you're telling me you couldn't tell, like, say
(07:10):
more, But I could go on. I have a few more other,
like, nitpicks and just overall annoyance, but
those were, like, my top big thoughts of just the
moment. The first montage happened so early in the
(07:31):
episode, I was like, oh, God.
>> Will (07:36):
So, well, let's. Let's break down some parts of
the episode. I mean, you know, yeah, there's the
montages. You know, for me, you know, of course,
we do get the flashback, and. And we get. You
know, we get the moment on the boat finally. You
know, we. We've. We've been dancing around the
boat all season. Chris, like, wants to talk about
(07:57):
the boat, what happened on the boat. And so we
finally do, you know, in typical James Gunn
fashion, we. We do get, We, you know, we get the
flashback to start off the episode.
>> Sarah (08:08):
Well, that's what they've been doing. That's the
gimmick. But not every episode has started with a
flashback.
>> Will (08:14):
No. All but what? Maybe one or two?
>> Sarah (08:17):
I think two. I think the. The two episodes that
don't start are way more predominantly in world Z.
And. And I don't. And I swear James Gunn has even
said that on his podcast about the show that every
episode starts with flashlight. I'm like, no, it
doesn't.
>> Will (08:37):
I think all but maybe one because, you know,
because even. You know.
>> Sarah (08:41):
Yeah, but. But he. But even saying all but one. He
didn't say all but one. He said all.
>> Will (08:48):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (08:49):
Okay.
>> Will (08:50):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (08:51):
Like, I know for sure there's one. There could be
two. But. Yeah. Anyway. So, like, yeah, because,
yeah, we knew we were gonna get from the very
first episode. That completely let me down. But
you continue.
>> Will (09:09):
Yeah. yeah. So it was. It was. It. It played out
differently than how I anticipated. So I guess
that's the thing, maybe. And maybe that's why
people are having maybe that, you know, maybe that
just set the tone for, for why so many people did
not like the episode. Because you know, we've
heard so much about this, this moment and that.
(09:31):
When it does finally play out, it's like I don't
know what, you know, everybody had their own, you
know, fan theory as far as like what happened and,
and maybe then that it was just basically just a
moment there between the two of them with Chris
awkwardly singing and, and, and her just basically
like you know, shutting down and, and you know,
(09:54):
basically reacting the way that we see her
throughout this season whenever they bring up the
moment and just, just generally around Chris.
Maybe that's where. Where it it, it started. It
went off the rails from, from that, from the get.
>> Sarah (10:07):
I don't. Yeah, I mean in my opinion, yeah, the
whole episode was pretty much off the rails. and,
and even like the, the opportunities were just
missed in my opinion. and just I, I'm already
checked out so I'm not going to check back in.
(10:30):
Things land flat. I don't. I think that in terms
of this flashback, I was thinking about it earlier
and the fact that me. And I've said this before,
I'm a die hard shipper. So you give me a romance,
I go all in. I'm like. And I root for that. And
(10:52):
I'm like why don't you give me more of that rather
than them Punch. Punch. Boom. Bo. So. So this
coming from somebody who loves love yet I just was
over this whole dynamic and, and it goes back to
not, not necessarily how this flashback plays out,
(11:13):
but the fact that we've basically in present day
have been viewing this flashback throughout the
entire season. So by the time they show us the
flashback it's like, yeah, so why are we like.
Like there was nothing about the flashback that
(11:39):
really like, like was like oh, that's interesting.
>> Will (11:45):
Ah.
>> Sarah (11:45):
That's a that's a conversation that I'm glad we
got. It was more like retread. Retread. The, the
one piece of information where I was like can we
hear more about that Was when Harcourt was
defending Adrian. That was it. There was one line
about it was like questioning his. Adrian's
(12:07):
relationship with Chris. And, and I was like why
can't we go back to that conversation and just
explore that like them talking about all ah. Of
the kids and their dynamic. But I, I just
everything else it was like we, I feel like we've
heard this conversation multiple times through
(12:28):
both perspectives and by the. So to the Point. By
the time you get the flashback, it, it doesn't
mean anything.
>> Will (12:36):
Yeah, yeah, I, I would agree with that. I mean I,
and like I said, my opening thoughts. I mean I was
as the, my, you know, the first three quarters or
so. Yeah. Two thirds of the episode, I would say.
Yeah, I was, I was wondering where it was going to
go and ah. And I think I was, I was underwhelmed
(12:56):
by the boat. The, the, the, the, the that the
flashback. I was. I mean I'm not going to sit here
and try to pretend that I'm not. I agree with you
that His speech, you know, whatever, whenever they
were talking about his relationship with Adrian,
that was that was the one thing that did stand out
from, from it all. And And, and it also just,
just, you know, just, just the just the
(13:19):
cinematography is as far as it was a shot. Really.
Well, I mean I just like the, I like the setting,
and all that. But beyond that, the, the, the. It,
it did. You're right. I mean I felt like, okay,
this should have been like earlier in the.
>> Sarah (13:32):
Season or not at all. Like not at all. Yeah, I, I
don't, I don't think that. I think that it's more
interesting when characters bring up conversations
that are not shown on screen. For example.
>> Will (13:51):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (13:52):
My favorite show last year was this show called
One Day. Okay.
>> Will (13:56):
Yep.
>> Sarah (13:57):
It's based off of a book.
In both the book and the show, what I found
fascinating is because each episode takes takes
place one day in a year. So each episode after,
once you've finished the first episode, then it's
a year later. The characters talk about stuff that
(14:17):
happened during that year, but we don't flash back
to it.
>> Will (14:20):
To it.
>> Sarah (14:21):
Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like this is a lived
in world. You don't feel flashback. So I don't, I
don't think that. I think at the end of the day,
in my opinion why the flashback didn't work is
because we didn't need it.
>> Will (14:35):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (14:36):
Because there was so much that led up to this
relationship. We needed more in the present day to
get resolution. And and it just, it, it didn't
work how I think that it should have.
>> Will (14:54):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (14:55):
In terms of their whole relationship this season.
>> Will (14:59):
Yeah. I You know what? Now that you've, now that
you mentioned it, I think you're right. I mean
this is a bet. This is one of those instances
where telling is actually better than showing
because the showing is not what would not like
ever come Close to the expectation that we've
gotten built up with the telling that we've seen
all season.
>> Sarah (15:17):
Yeah, yeah, they. They. They could have flashback
to like so many other more interesting things,
especially with Hardcore. And I think that's
another reason why I just did not. At the end of
the day, I'm not a fan of this season, nor this
finale in particular, is because I have not been
(15:37):
on Team Hardcore since the first episode this
season. She used me. She's frustrated me. And I.
Every now and then I'm like, oh, oh. And then. And
then they write her writer in a way where I'm just
like, the inconsistency in my opinion or. Or the
(15:57):
consistency. The point where I'm like, I get it.
Can we explore it a little bit more?
>> Will (16:03):
Yeah, yeah, I think. Yeah, yeah. I think it's the.
To me, it was. What I got got from you was more.
You get it. yeah. And what. You know, carry it
forward a little bit. and I guess, you know, I
guess when we went over to Earth X, it was like,
okay, we. We see, you know, we. We got a different
of her. You know, Chris's ideal, you know, you
(16:27):
know, fantasy. Fantasy version of what he would,
you know, he anticipated with having relationship.
With having. With Harcourt. But. Yeah, I. I get. I
get your point.
>> Sarah (16:39):
Yeah. Yeah. And. And. And, to relate it
specifically to this episode, the absence of
Chris.
>> Will (16:50):
Yes.
>> Sarah (16:52):
just. Just led me. I was just like, oh, my God,
this is a hardcore episode. And then. So when it
became clear to me after watching the episode that
this was the more of the series finale makes me
all that more mad. I'm like, this show is called
Peacemaker, and Peacemaker was hardly in the final
episode, like in present day. What the.
>> Will (17:15):
Yeah, Or. Or it was a, it was a soft. It was a,
backdoor palette for Checkmate, which.
>> Sarah (17:22):
Okay. The term backdoor pilot. We have seen
backdoor pilots. I mean, we come from CW land.
Okay. We know what a backup. This was not a
backdoor pilot. Because you're. You're telling me
that backdoor pilot is literally basically a
montage? No, no, no. The full episode had to be. I
(17:45):
get the term, but I think it's being applied a bit
loosely. This was more like. This was more like.
We finally realized that we actually have an
ensemble, so we can no longer continue with a show
called Peacemaker. So we're going to pivot into,
this. This, Checkmate show where we can actually
(18:07):
revolve around all of the characters a bit more.
As we conclude his overall arc and also kind of
leave him just, like, out there in Purgatory.
>> Will (18:20):
Yeah, well, I mean that, you know, he is in
purgatory. He is in Salvation. But I mean, getting
back to the point about the, you know, whether or
not it's going to be a third season or not. I
mean, it. I think you may have hit on something
there that he, you know, that if this show does
continue in whatever format, whether it's animated
or live action. yeah, I mean, you know, it. It
(18:44):
could be. It could be, you know, the. The
Checkmate show and, you know, if somehow Chris
does come back, or they may just show up in. In
other properties, you know, just down the line as
far as maybe the supporting characters.
>> Sarah (18:57):
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, we're gonna eventually see how
they're gonna get Peacemaker out. I don't foresee
him just indefinitely being stuck there. So they.
They. They have that tied in Checkmate, though. I
just want to, like. Because I have to, I guess,
(19:20):
say, like, a few things. I did, like.
>> Will (19:23):
Okay.
>> Sarah (19:25):
And. And this is why I'm okay if they want to go
to Checkmate. It's just one scene. It's not the
montage scene. It's the one scene between Flory
and Adrian. Yes. Those two should have their own
series. I. You know, shame on me, because I guess
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that's the one thing that did surprise me. This.
This, with this finale, because I. I had not
already, like, thought to myself what would. A
conversation between Adrian and Flurry would be,
but they gave it to me, and I was just like, oh,
my God. What? Where was this all season?
>> Will (20:05):
Yes, yes, yes. That was the. I. L. I did laugh out
loud with that one. I did. That's where. That's
where I was like, okay, this is where I had James
and maybe suffer through some. The whole m.
Opening theme song for just, you know, And. And
you. You got me back a little bit with the, With.
(20:27):
With that scene with Adriana Flurry. I. I will say
that.
>> Sarah (20:30):
Yeah. Yeah. Which, speaking about the opening
montage, how mad does it make you the fact that
when we talked about the first episode this season
and specifically the montage and we brought up
that alien guy, that was never.
>> Will (20:47):
It was never resolved. No, I, was looking. I was
like, come on. At least I was hoping he'd show up
one more time, even if, you know, especially when
they were, like, doing all the, you know, when
they were searching for salvation.
>> Sarah (20:59):
Oh, that's that search. Oh, my God.
>> Will (21:02):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (21:02):
I'm glad he didn't show up during that, because
that montage was like a nail in the coffin for me.
>> Will (21:10):
Yeah, well, when he showed up with the little
sales expected him to show up in the imp world
and, like, maybe saving the day or something.
Whenever. Whenever the imps were, like, taking out
the team and, you know, you know, and Flurry was,
like, getting butt in the face by the, by the one
thing and the, you know, the, the, you know, the
(21:33):
one thing that, you know, Flurry did care about,
that kid that did get. Get that they get, killed,
by the team. so, you know, so it was like I, I
saw. I did what. I did listen to the, Ringer's
comment and I heard Van's thoughts on the episode.
I thought I was like, okay, I agree with. I'm glad
(21:58):
you brought up his. His. His point about the
montages and the story because again, I think
real. You know, before I listen to any podcast or
any. Anything or anything, I was. My. That was.
That was part. Part of m. My. My thoughts as well.
(22:19):
I mean, like I said, I was. At the end of the day,
I was okay with the. With the finale. I mean, I've
seen. I mean, I've seen. You know, for Star Trek
fans, we're all familiar with the finale for the
show Enterprise, and, And on that show, Spoiler
alert. If you. If you're a Star Trek fan and you
(22:40):
haven't. If you're working your way through
Enterprise, there was a series starring Scott
Bakula. The. The finale. Spoiler alert. Was an
episode. It was. It was set in a holodeck, and it.
And actually they had Will Riker and Deanna Troy
in that episode. And Riker was going through a
crisis of confidence or whatever because of a
(23:03):
decision that he was having to make. And he was
basically, like, looking at this particular
mission of the Enterprise, in his holodeck thing.
And to this day, I am furious about that finale.
So the Peacemaker season finale or series finale
is definitely not that I wasn't. I didn't walk
away from this, like, damn, I wish I got an hour
of my life back. Unlike the Enterprise finale.
>> Sarah (23:25):
Right, right. It's. It's all relative. I mean,
that's. That's a strong point. And I. I think. And
that's why I preface my opinion about this finale
as the things I didn't like about this finale is
why I don't really care for the season as a whole.
And. And I know there are moments. I've talked
(23:46):
about a few of them. The other moment, which we
have to get into is Adebayo. Adebayo speech. I
mean, hats off to her. It was a beautiful
performance. It was a great speech. Loved. Got it
was stuck in the middle of a pile of. That's why
(24:09):
it was so jarring for me. I'm like, yeah, I want
to be on board with this. And yet for some reason,
I've been so emotionally detached for the last 45
minutes that I, I'm like, this is good. But yeah,
it's gonna end and we're gonna get back and, and
it really stuck out in particular because no one
(24:34):
else really was saying anything.
>> Will (24:36):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (24:39):
And it just. And, and again, as like I've said
that this season are kind of summed up in how I
feel about this episode. I have been on board with
Adebayo this entire season. She. All of those
scenes with her and Chris led up to that moment.
(24:59):
Those scenes prior, though, were just her and
Chris. I really wished that that scene had been
her and Chris.
>> Will (25:09):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (25:10):
And, and maybe to connect it even about her
experience and in the other world, that would have
been cool, but.
>> Will (25:18):
That would have been totally cool. Yes.
>> Sarah (25:19):
yeah. Yeah, it would. I, I, it just, it would have
given more weight to the fact that we spent so
much time there and, and just to also allow.
Because we got so inundated with. With Chris's
perspective of that world that it would have been
nice considering both judomaster and Adebayo were
(25:43):
in that world to be for, like, for her to explain
or, or do something with that. But it's just.
>> Will (25:52):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (25:53):
like, it was so quick. It was like, yay. Okay,
we're done.
>> Will (26:00):
Yeah. You know, I'm glad you brought that point up
because, you know, whenever, Because I know
earlier in the season when we talked about when
Chris and Annabello had that, that heart to heart
moment earlier in the season about the grass.
>> Sarah (26:12):
Is always greener right before he goes through. Y.
>> Will (26:15):
Right before he goes through. And it would, you
know, you're right that, I mean, it was already an
Emmy winning monologue to begin with, but that
would have just taken all of this season to the
next level if, if they had, if he had made that,
that tied that full connection because we talked
about that with, you know, with Chris now, you
(26:37):
know, especially, you know, not, you know, that I
think it was episode two or three when they, or
four when they had that conversation and then, you
know, tying it to like the blinders that he had
on, like all the whiteies around and, and, and
then even when, even, when Harcourt pointed it
(26:58):
out. You're right. I mean, if. If they had
connected the two, that would have just taken
this, the whole thing to the next level. And I
think. And I think. I mean, I think James got up
to the line, but, you know, and maybe this is
where, you know, when you have, you know, gets.
This gets into a larger philosophical point about
having diverse writers rooms.
>> Sarah (27:17):
Yeah.
>> Will (27:18):
Because if you have different voices in the
writers room, maybe a writer of color or a woman
or, you know, gay, lesbian, whoever, you know, can
you provide that. That little extra perspective
that you. And, you know, or even if it's a black
writer, you know, having a white person, you know,
(27:40):
anybody having that extra other perspective in the
room helps you flesh out the stories.
>> Sarah (27:47):
Right.
>> Will (27:48):
And I think that. And to your point, I think that
would have really fleshed out already. Well
written moment. I mean, I can't. I can't deny it.
I mean, I got a lump in my throat whenever, like,
whenever she delivered it because it was very
powerful, but it would have taken it to the next
level.
>> Sarah (28:01):
Yeah. And. And I think to that point, just her.
Her other storyline with her wife or girlfriend.
Like, because when we circled back to that in this
episode, I was like, I don't care. I don't care.
(28:22):
Like. Like, early on and. And be. And I mainly say
that not because I don't care about Adebayo.
>> Will (28:30):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (28:30):
It's more about just. It's been so long since
we've had a scene between those two that it's
like, oh, we're. Why are we going back here now? I
mean, Chris is in jail. And that whole absence of
Chris in this episode was just felt more. When we
circled back on these lame storylines when, like,
(28:52):
we could have had more conversation. I. I love
when she manipulates Adrian.
>> Will (28:57):
Oh, yeah, that was another one.
>> Sarah (28:59):
I'm a better friend to Chris. Like, that was. That
was great. And. And then to everything. What. You
could have had more conversations between Chris
and her about so much. And. And even economists.
Like, yeah, granted, he got a little bit more
because Eagly. I mean, we all love our little,
(29:22):
animated animal in any gun movie.
>> Will (29:26):
Yeah. And Steve, Steven, AJ got to improv a, bad
joke bit line, you know, whenever we're trying to
discover the plants, as far as, you know, with
salvation.
>> Sarah (29:36):
But Right, right. Like. Like, it just. It felt
like it continues to feel like, okay, James, yeah,
you set all of this up, but did you not know where
you're going? Or did you think you knew? And then
he got distracted by Supes I don't know.
>> Will (29:58):
Yeah, yeah, that's possible. Well, it's
interesting too, because I know he had, I know on
the podcast he did say that he, you know, he
finished it with the montage and then Peter,
Saffron was. And again, that's the perspective I
was talking about. You know, he did show the
script to someone and he did get, get, did get,
you know, feedback to be like, yeah, you need to
add something more to it. And I guess that's when
he decided to like add the salvation stuff to it,
(30:19):
which, you know, gets, gets, you know, again, it's
a, you know, it takes the show and just feels it,
you know, well, gives it that connective tissue
with the larger, larger piece.
>> Sarah (30:30):
I, I don't know if I misunderstood that because I
understood that like the salvation stuff was
there. All he tacked on was just leaving Chris in
salvation at the end.
>> Will (30:43):
Yeah, okay. Yeah, maybe that's it. Maybe that was
it. Yeah.
>> Sarah (30:46):
because if he had turned in a script without all
that salvation script, then, this would have been
a 10 minute episode with maybe 30 minutes of
montage. I don't know. That's pretty scary. So,
so, yeah.
>> Will (31:05):
What did you think? Yeah, what did you think about
the salvation stuff?
>> Sarah (31:07):
I mean, I don't care.
>> Will (31:10):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (31:12):
I don't give, I just, that, that kind of stuff. I,
I, I checked completely out of it. I don't care
about, like, there are no stakes when people that
you just meet in one scene before suddenly die,
even though it has an impact on others, like, and,
(31:36):
and talk about another missed opportunity.
Flurry's been around now for a few episodes and
then it still caught me off guard though, when all
of a sudden they're doing Checkmate and Flurry
shows up and I'm like, oh, I mean, I get it, but
I, I feel like that could have been executed more.
Judo Master could have been utilized in this
(31:56):
episode. He wasn't. And then he was tacked on in
at the end as well.
>> Will (32:00):
He. Yeah, so. Well, they were, you know, Judah
Master was in, in there. He was just in the scenes
when they were like searching. Yeah, he was in
the, in the suits. But I get your point at that
point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, but I get your
point about Flurry. I think there were small
moment, there were moments throughout the season.
And I know one, I know one episode, episode, where
(32:23):
I was going to mention Flurry and we, we didn't
get it. We didn't get circled back to it, but
whenever economists, booked Chris into the, to the
system. So that Flag couldn't, you know, base. You
know, basically there will be a record of him
being there. So Flag couldn't. I mean, ultimately
he did, like, find a way to get rid of Chris, but,
(32:44):
you know, at least earlier in the season, he
could. He wasn't able to do so with Flurry, like,
you know, knowledge. What John did and said, that
was a good, you know, good, good move there. So, I
mean, there has been, like, little moments
throughout the season that I think, you know, that
even though Flurry, Flurry definitely has his
issues, you know, they were. They were building
towards that moment. So when he showed up, I was
(33:05):
like, okay. Yeah. At the end of the day, you know,
within his own system. Within the system, he. He
was able to, like, you know, take, you know,
acknowledged, the wrongs that were. That were
taking place there. And then, of course, whenever
the kid that he was, like, picking on all season
gets killed and he realized, like, oh, this is
really up.
>> Sarah (33:27):
Yeah.
>> Will (33:28):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (33:30):
anything else you want to talk about before we
move on to Gen B?
>> Will (33:34):
no, I think, I think we covered it all. I mean, as
far as, As far as Peacemaker, I mean, it was. It
was good. Like I said, it was okay. I mean, I've
seen. I've seen worse finales, but, But I
definitely understand why people are upset for a
variety of reasons.
>> Sarah (33:50):
all right, so gen V season 2, episode 6 cooking
lessons. Worried, about the coming culture war and
apocalypse. Ride it out in style and comfort.
Sustainable septic systems and feng feng shui.
Blast proof and billionaire approved. The world
may be burning, but you'll be 30ft underground
(34:12):
with a glass of 82 Bordeaux. Act now before it's
too late. I would have had no. You know, the
lovely thing is if I'd read that, like, before
watching the episode, I would have had no idea
what. I was like, what the are they talking about?
>> Will (34:33):
Yeah, it's like. Yeah. Titled Cooking Lessons.
And. Yeah, I was just like, like, okay. yeah.
>> Sarah (34:38):
Ah.
>> Will (34:38):
Because I saw the title before I was able to watch
it, and, Yeah.
>> Sarah (34:43):
And so. So, I mean, we. We kind of touched on it
briefly with Peacemaker. and we didn't delve too
much into it. The expanded universe.
>> Will (34:54):
Yes.
>> Sarah (34:54):
So watching the Peacemaker finale and more
importantly, the fallout given the. Well, he told
me Supes was going to show up and everything.
Yeah, whatever. So to then watch Gen V and
specifically this episode, which. Yeah, I don't
know if their writers room or their producers had
(35:17):
any idea that like this would be a perfect little
parallel thing happening. and really shows how
good of a show GENV is is Stan, Edgar and Zoe show
up in this episode. And this is why. And it just.
I sat there when they appeared and I was like,
(35:41):
this is great.
>> Will (35:42):
Yep.
>> Sarah (35:43):
I'm. They have managed to do extended universe
like no one else. Because as a viewer, I am fully
aware the boys is. Shares this universe. Yet I am
also not predicting and anticipating when the boys
(36:04):
characters show up. And I do not have expectations
because the characters of Gen V stand alone. So
yet the utilization just. Just amplifies. I mean
we talked about this a little bit last week like
the, the re. Or. Or actually for the past few
(36:24):
weeks as we've talked about season two. Because
you have to remember the, the state of the
politics surrounding supes in this world at this
time. That school is really a safe place for these
particular kids given, given their powers and
(36:45):
their abilities. So there, there's a, there's a
very hard irony there. and, and, and that's really
where the conflict is. Is that like oh my God, my,
my. My jail is my home. So, so. But to go back to
Stan and Zoe, like, yeah, you could say it's a bit
(37:08):
of a cop out because it's like they, they clearly
were outmatched. And then they, they busted Zoe
and Stan to kind of save the day and give some
shelter. But it's, it's also so connected because
we've seen Stan since what season one of the Boys
and we know he operates. We know his relationship
(37:31):
with Vought, it's. And, and Newman, the Newman of
it all. It just like yes, it allowed us to break
out of Elmyra, but also put us in a, A different
kind of safe place to give everybody a chance to
breathe. And then to set us up for like the final
(37:52):
two episodes of the season. We got two more.
Right. One that premiered today and then next
week. So we still got two more.
>> Will (38:00):
Yep.
>> Sarah (38:00):
but, but yeah, like that. That's what for this
episode that the fact that we have Stan and Zoe
show up so seamlessly. that's. That was my biggest
takeaway from this episode.
>> Will (38:19):
Yeah, I, I 100 there with you. just, just really
you set it up perfectly there and said it
perfectly. You know, this was ah. It was world
building but still they kept thing, you know, kept
things contained in this story because these
characters can, can execute things on their own.
(38:40):
and it. Yeah, I mean with, with one thing too as
far as like with, you know, with Stan showing up
and, you know, and yes, you know, he. At the end
of the day, he is still trying to, you know,
formally build his way back and take over the
company. And yeah, he provided these kids, you
(39:02):
know, shelter and safe haven, but at the end of
the day, he is still at his core. It wasn't
altruistic. It was transactional. Yeah, yeah. And
I. Look, you know, and that's. And that's. That.
That. That is the, you know, that is the
consistency of character that I. That I appreciate
in storytelling. you know, so. Because I was like,
(39:24):
okay, Stan show. When he showed up, I was like. I
was like, wow, I wasn't expecting that. But, okay,
what angle is he going to be playing here?
>> Sarah (39:34):
Right?
>> Will (39:34):
It's like rolling all of this.
>> Sarah (39:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's like, I'm not expecting that, but
I'm also not expecting. Nor. Nor was it a
different character. It's not like he went on a
journey and suddenly is a different character. No,
all of. All of the conniving and the. The business
(39:56):
side of him is still there. It's still Stan. So he
just has different motivations. And, And I think
that consistency of character that you just talked
about is arguably why, despite all of the shock
value and all of the nonsense that goes on in both
Gen V and the boys, their villains. Consistent,
(40:22):
consistent. Consistent. And. And arguably, like, I
didn't realize we also needed to know more about
Cypher. And this is arguably kind of where I have
a little bit of issue with this episode. but then
again, I predicted that last week because I. I was
(40:42):
so in love with that episode. Episode. Yeah, it's
that it's. We've talked enough about what's going
on, specifically with Cypher, that it just felt
like the characters needed to catch up. And I'm
never a big fan of when my characters are behind,
from. From what the viewers understand is going on
(41:05):
in the world. Now, were we given definite answers?
No. But then again, there was an entire scene
where we literally had to watch Jordan put it
together. The fact that Godolkin is the dad in
the, the chamber that Cipher has. So I would like,
like, I was like, I didn't really need to watch
(41:27):
that and especially have it be dragged out for a
minute.
>> Will (41:32):
Yeah, I was okay with that, actually. I mean,
because I know. I get. I get what you're saying
about, you know, the viewers are ahead of the
characters, but it was. It was a. It was a good
moment. And again, talking about the. How. How
these two shows, while they're connected, they
are, you know, they, they still have their own
(41:53):
individual stories that they're telling.
And, and, and but you know, so, you know, because
we learn, you know, we learned that Homelander
and, and Marie are both basically, you know,
products of Odessa, successful products. So, you
know, so again it serves the story in both the
boys proper and Gen V. and, and you know, and we
(42:17):
get, you know, we get a little bit more details
too, you know, you know, you know, we're using Gen
V. You know, we learned, you know, and they did it
earlier in the season as well. Like for example,
when Cypher and Sister, say, showed up, you know,
as far as.
>> Sarah (42:29):
Yeah.
>> Will (42:31):
Her angle. So these shows do work very well with
each. The two of them work very well with each
other to, to just, you know, to advance. Advance
things in both their respective shows.
>> Sarah (42:45):
Yeah, yeah. I, I think what was my issue though
with a lot of the. The answers, quote unquote, if
you will.
>> Will (42:55):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (42:56):
Because they're not really straightforward
answers. Is the, the more and more apparent that
if I'm wrong about my theory that it's really
Godolkin controlling his own son? Yeah, I don't
know what we're doing because it was very apparent
(43:18):
in this episode everything we learned from Stan
about not. Not really Cipher, but specifically
good Dulcien points to like he is a. He is a Soup
and that is his ability. And. But, but then again,
I think the one thing that isn't clear is what
(43:38):
we've discussed before is okay, is it that he
wants his body to be healed or is it that he wants
to fully take over his son's body? And there is
that scene in this episode when he is cleaning his
father and then smacks the out of him and then
calls him vomit and all of this stuff. And it just
(44:01):
reminded me so much of Homelander.
>> Will (44:03):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (44:04):
Like the. When these supes, get. Get so tainted in
ego and self loathing, like that manifests in such
a volatile way that it's, it's very on brand with
the, the characters and also specifically the
(44:27):
Soups, like the mentality of that. And you have
that juxtaposed with this also quote unquote
revelation that Cypher. Cypher basically once.
Once to. To He only wants the best of us. He's.
(44:47):
He's basically the hits Hitler of the. Of the
Soups.
>> Will (44:55):
Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, you know, we do learn in
this episode that the plan, ultimate plan is to
like cancel out kill 75 of the student population
here at Godolkin. So Yeah. So, I mean, you're.
You're not. You're not far off with your. Your
analogy there.
>> Sarah (45:12):
No, no, not really. I mean, he definitely wants a
genocide to. To have the cream of the crop. And.
And that's why I was thinking about it. Why m. It
made sense to me because earlier in the season,
when we see, Emma interact with, the students who
(45:33):
are the starlighters, their powers are not like
all that enviable. Right. And that's why Vulcan
has this. This program of like rank and order. It
totally is aligned with. With that perspective. So
(45:55):
it didn't come out of left field either. It's
like. No, no, no. That we. We should have. We
should have thought about. Yeah, that makes sense
that that would be your plan given everything
we've been shown specifically about the school.
>> Will (46:08):
Yep. Yeah, that's a very good observation. That's
a very good. I hadn't thought about that. But
you're right. I mean, Because all, you know,
because all those kids on that arts track,
basically. Yeah. They. They're for whatever
reason, where you have Emma who, you know, can't
control her powers at will. to. To the people we.
You know, to the, Bushmaster.
>> Sarah (46:34):
But never gonna forget it. Yeah. It's like you're
special, but you're not special enough. So it's.
It's. So it's such a. And. And it's not as though
we haven't seen similar characters because as I'm
talking about Cypher, in that perspective, it
remind of season, two of the boys with, Storm. I
(46:57):
forgot. Yeah.
>> Will (46:59):
Stormfront. Stormfront.
>> Sarah (47:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Will (47:03):
Which. Which. Go ahead. Yeah, no, I was gonna say.
Yeah. I mean, we know she. Yeah, yeah, we knew. We
know about the Nazi background with her. And. And
also, Even we, you know, we've seen the
paraphernalia, you know, with. In. In the past,
with Godolkin and. And. And also. Yeah, so you're
(47:25):
right. I mean, it's completely on brand, this
whole eugenics, you know, genocidal plan that he
has, but, you know, he has for the school.
>> Sarah (47:33):
Yeah. Yeah. And, The. The last scene I want to
talk about, Cipher is just the cipher and
polarity. What were your thoughts about that
interaction?
>> Will (47:43):
Yeah, well, I think a couple things. One, I think
it definitely confirmed that, you know, Cipher,
you know, the dad is controlling. this is the.
It's a funnel to, you know, using a son to control
Cipher and. And also to, you know, and with
polarity. I mean, I thought it was a Pretty you
(48:05):
know, whenever he, when he showed up and he's
like, what was it? The Looks like what. You know,
what kind of Waffle House brawl like happened here
last night. You know, like this, this guy. I mean,
you know, credit to like the, the right to Eric
Kripke and the writers crew for the boys. I mean
they, they know how, they know how to still write
(48:25):
dialogue and cast people because it was a well
written scene. But also just the delivery by the
actor who plays Cipher, ah, just delivered it
perfectly. But also you know, just the dynamics
between Cipher and utilizing polarity to to. To.
To track down the kids. and, and in the process,
(48:45):
uncover the starlighter cell at the school.
everything. You know, it was, it was, it was
definitely. I, I like the scene and I liked how.
How polarity now that you know how he went from
being sort of the company guy and, and. And all
(49:06):
about Vault and the, you know, the popularity and
the. I mean, I think back as far as like in season
one when he was, you know, talk about Andre with
the you know, essentially the sponsorships and all
that kind of stuff, and, and marketing and all
that. And then how, you know, in this episode when
(49:28):
he, you know, when he gathered himself and just
like, you know, he's like, I have nothing to lose
now. And he just gathered it all up and just, you
know, for, you know, threw Cipher out of the.
Through the window and stuff. I just really like
that moment. I thought that was just like, okay,
we, you know, the kids now do have an. A trusted
ally that they can rely on who's. Who's a little
(49:48):
bit more seasoned soup, to be that, you know,
mentor, whatever. The other thing too was. I was
just so worried that Cipher was going to like kill
him at that end of that scene too.
>> Sarah (49:59):
Yeah, that's what, that's what I was gonna bring
up was like the, the The horror of it. Yeah, there
the, the scenes when he is fully in control of his
body and his mind and everything. Like we heard
about it and we saw a glimpse with Jordan. But the
(50:21):
Knowing now Jordan's perspective on that incident,
and then to watch it play out with polarity just
amplified because, because you're just suddenly
like, oh, now we're getting the visual context.
Yeah, that. Because you. The helplessness and. And
(50:41):
yeah, Cipher or polarity did gather enough
strength to. To push him out the window. But don't
forget, the connection broke again, very similar
to what happened with Jordan. Like there is a
weakness There, which of, course for all of these,
these soups, there, there, there is a, a flaw.
(51:04):
that is often the fatal flaw. But there, we don't,
we don't know if it depends on the length of time,
how much, because he was fully like just going at
it and it, it seemed like a long duration, a lot
longer than Jordan. But, but eventually the, the
(51:25):
connection did break. so, yeah, I think that was
interesting. to go back to the kids in the bunker.
>> Will (51:33):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (51:34):
I just want to get this out of the way. not
because I don't want to talk about it, but because
in terms of everybody else, it, it doesn't really
seem that much important. But I love you and I
love you and Emma. But I, and, and personally, I,
(51:57):
I do want them to get back together, but I also
know why they're not. I totally get that. But I
was just like, dude, you just had one good
conversation with your mom, okay, and you kinda
Kool Aid it, but you're not gonna immediately jump
back into the bed with Emma. but yeah, I, I, I
(52:20):
liked it how that conversation played out just
because, there is still chemistry between them.
And we, we know, we've known that. But we also, I
can appreciate that we very much understand why
they're not together and why he has a few more
things to do before he ever can, can get back to
(52:43):
that place with her in particular. so, but yeah,
yeah, yeah, I.
>> Will (52:49):
Thought, yeah, it was, it was. You know, I like
the way that scene played out. I mean, I know they
were, they seem like it was like they were going
to kiss, but at the same time, you know, it was
very, it was. Yeah. He's got a lot, a lot to atone
for before. And it also too, you know, whenever,
you know, speaking about how, they were having to
(53:12):
use the, you know, Instagram to you know, get the
messages out and stuff because Emma couldn't
remember, remember the phone number. yeah, but,
whenever. Whenever what? The thing, the other
thing that stuck out with me was to see with Sam
getting all like, you know, who's the dude that
slid into your DMs.
>> Sarah (53:29):
Which, which that's been telegraphed. But, yeah,
I, the but, but Sam, what they continue to do with
him that I like this season is reminding us about
his experience in season one, because again, it's
brought up he does not like the bunker because of
his PTSD from the woods. And I thought that was
(53:50):
great because I wasn't expecting m. It. But it
makes sense. Makes total Sense And. And. And
remember when the woods was a thing and he was in
there for so long. I mean, he wasn't in Elmira
this past summer with everyone else, but he did go
through the woods, so he does understand what
that's like. so. So I. I like that. Call back.
(54:13):
this episode, we get confirmation that Annabeth
did get V, although she does not know from where
and from who. And she has very shakish pre. Cog,
as Kate put it, powers, which allows her to get
visions of the future, but they don't always work.
They don't always come. Expects them to. and we
(54:36):
also see her have a panic attack. And so, we're
finding a little bit more about. We. We suspected,
even though the aunt claimed she wasn't.
>> Will (54:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah. I mean, whenever
they revealed her to have powers, I was like,
okay, yeah. I mean, it wasn't like a. Yeah. I
mean, especially, you know, I did like the way,
you know, the fact that she does have Precog
power. So, it does make you wonder, like, in
addition to one, you know, she never was able to
(55:11):
get an answer to the question as far as, did mom
and dad also inject me? Or is. Was it just some
residual stuff in, you know, Mom's, you know, DNA
or whatever from, you know, from the injection
from. From Marie? you know, still. Still there.
You know, so we don't know. And so I did, you
(55:34):
know, so it makes it all. Not only does it make
sense for why she still, you know, have one of
these feelings of just resentment and, you know,
anger towards Marie for what happened because they
were so little and ever, you know, and it never.
Marie never did get a chance to tell her about it.
So she's had years to, like, you know, for these
walls to get built up. But then also the Precog
(55:57):
power, you know, maybe she's seen some things,
glimpses of a potential future. And it's just, you
know, because, you know, because we don't know
how, you know. You know, the only thing we've seen
of her Precog powers was just the fact that she
knew that Sam was about to show up and.
>> Sarah (56:15):
Yeah.
>> Will (56:17):
Yeah. So that was only, you know, that was a very
short amount of time. We don't know if it's only a
very, you know, short temporal thing or can she
see, you know, in months or years into the, you
know, into the future. So, I mean, there could be,
like, a potential thing that she sees that maybe,
like, Marie does, like, link up with Edgar to take
(56:38):
on Homelander or whatever. You know, who knows?
>> Sarah (56:40):
Right, Right. My, My theory, out of this
revelation in this episode is, Marie leaves the
bunker at the end of the episode. But yes, we will
talk about Kate. Just a second, though. My theory
is she left leaves because of Annabeth and she
needs. She. Marie thinks the only person who can
(57:03):
help her is Cypher. And by helper, I mean she.
He's told her and she literally brings annabeth
back to life. So. And, we know that, like, it's
all about the genes and it's all about blood. So
is there a way for her to use her abilities to
(57:24):
essentially take out that Gen V from her sister so
her sister does not have to be a soup.
>> Will (57:32):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (57:34):
She can fix it. Right. That's the only. That's
what her sister says, and explains is like, you
can't help me. And so she does what a naturally a
big sister who feels like she owes a debt to her
younger sister will do.
>> Will (57:51):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (57:52):
So. So that's, that's my theory about why she
leaves. and great song choice, by the way, with
the ending. I, for some reason, I haven't heard
that song in a while, but it just fit really well
with the mood and the whole aesthetic. Aesthetic.
And then to also have then a conversation with
Marie, and Kate. I, I want to preface this,
(58:16):
though. Kate and Emma had arguably my favorite
line in this episode when Emma's like, say
something nice to battle me. So many levels there
about. And very simple is like, like, what a why.
(58:37):
And, and also I need some help with that. I just.
That whole thing. yeah, I love Kate, I really do,
because she just continues to be very fascinating.
I say that every single week because there is.
(58:58):
She's walking a line that I've seen no other
character in this, in this universe walk. And it
is that line of she could be as bad, and we've
seen her be as bad as the worst of them, but she
(59:19):
is so broken. She is that, that. So, so I have so
much empathy. And even last season when she went,
when she went, when she chose that path, I was
like, oh, I hate it, but I also understand why you
did. I get it. But I hate the choice. So I, I, I
(59:43):
can appreciate that about her and also appreciate
that about Sam. and, and I, and I, and I think
she's smart. I like, I like characters who are
smart because she, she is very much in the
background observing everything, listening, and
she puts it together. She's like Brie, you. If you
(01:00:06):
help me to fix me, we can take on Cypher. But hey,
Kate, one small thing. Marie don't trust you.
Okay. I. I think it's gonna take a lot more, but I
do. I just. There's something about that image of
them of. Of Marie m leaving and, and that long
(01:00:29):
road and the big gate and then Kate following at a
distance. I. There was just. It's so poetic.
>> Will (01:00:38):
It was. That was the. I love the way that that
scene was shot. It was. It was. It definitely was
very poetic, like you said. And, And I agree. I
mean, I think whether. Whether Kate following
along like you said to, Was it altruistic or was
it, you know, transactional again, you know,
again, we, you know, go back to that theme with
these. These characters in. In the boys and
(01:00:59):
universe. it. You know, it. It. One way or
another, Marie's gonna probably have to help her
get her powers back in order for Marie to do what
she. Whatever she wants, you know, to serve the
larger story, whatever that is. I mean, at this
point, I think you're right with your theory about
Marie going us back to Cipher to basically, you
(01:01:23):
know, find a way to take the bee out of Annabelle,
out of Beth. and then of course, Cypher will. Will
gladly do so, but you know, you know, again, he
will probably want something in return. And. And
that is.
>> Sarah (01:01:39):
Oh, she's not gonna tell him.
>> Will (01:01:42):
No, no, no, no.
>> Sarah (01:01:43):
Yeah, yeah. He. She's gonna try to get training so
that. So that he can build her up, but. But that's
her end goal for whatever. Like. Like. Yeah, and.
But I think you're. You're right. Like, Kate,
what's been set up now as how they get out of this
(01:02:04):
situation is the, The. You gotta first fix Kate.
Arguably, it can't really be broken in season
three, so. So Kate needs to be fixed by the end of
this season. yeah. To open up potential of like.
Okay, now that you're fixed, whose side are you
really on?
>> Will (01:02:24):
Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm trying to put myself back
in, like in my early, late, late teens, early 20s,
as far as my pref. Frontal cortex is not fully
developed. And I. Even though. Even though here at
my age now, I don't know if it's still. If it is,
but, like, you know, they're only looking at
what's in front of them. So I'm just trying to
figure out. Yeah. So I think you're right. She
won't tell him what the purpose is. Cipher made a
(01:02:45):
deduce it. You know he made deduce it from the
actions and stuff. Especially now that you know,
she's broken him out.
Broken annabeth out. Yeah.
>> Sarah (01:02:55):
That's fair.
>> Will (01:02:56):
so m. But yeah, it's just. I just these next two
episodes just. I mean I can't wait to watch
episode seven later this week and and, and see
where things go and you know our, our theories may
be completely blown up by the time I watch it but
at the same time, I, at the end of the day she's
(01:03:20):
going to go back to Cypher. I just, I can't see
her doing anything. Anything else. because I can't
see her. It doesn't make sense for her to go to
Starlight.
>> Sarah (01:03:29):
Well, I see when you. I was like, oh, starlight
might come. I don't know. We got two episodes. Two
episodes. So I don't know. I. Eventually Marie and
Cipher are going to be back.
>> Will (01:03:44):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (01:03:44):
In the same room. and I don't, I don't know if
that immediately happens or if it takes a while to
get there. So, so we, we, we have some time. I I
don't. Yeah, yeah. And I don't want to speculate
too much because I've already done way too much
(01:04:05):
theory spiraling about this show but I guess maybe
the, the one thing that's in the back of my mind
is contemplation. Can I continue with Cypher
through season three or does he, is he a bad guy
who's like one season and done which the boys
universe is known for like having bad guy one
(01:04:27):
season done. So, so, but it, it all depends. I do
think we need more definite answers about him and
Golan by the end of this or what was it all for?
>> Will (01:04:41):
Right.
>> Sarah (01:04:41):
So. So we, we. Yeah.
>> Will (01:04:44):
Yeah. Well I think we. I think I have a feeling
that Cipher is going to make it through this
season in some form or fashion. whether, whether
like it's our theory where the dad does manage to
fuse himself in the body into his son's body or,
or, or, or something, you know, stabilize that
(01:05:05):
connection. Because I just think with all the,
with Edgar showing up, you know to re. Establish
himself which you know, Stan's always. Stan's
going, Stan's going to make it to the end of this
thing. So and you know, and, and I think Sage will
need Cypher to help her, you know, take over
(01:05:27):
Vaught. so I think that that storyline is going to
sort of. It's getting hatched here but we'll see
it carried forward in The Boy Season 5. So I think
we'll see Cypher show up in a Boy Season 5. I
might be wrong, but I think he's going to make it
out of the season to play a role. He may not make
it through season five of the boys, but I think
he's going to show up at least in season five of
(01:05:49):
the boys.
>> Sarah (01:05:50):
The only thing that I disagree about with that,
those hypotheticals is Sister Sage doesn't need
him to control Vaught. She's already in control.
He, she needs him to control Homelander. Yeah,
well, needs Godolkin to control the Soups. So
there's a whole other. Other conversation. but,
(01:06:13):
but yeah, the, a more interesting thing to do
though would be actually for, for Godolkin to die
at the end of this season and for then us, to be.
Still have cipher yet. It's actually cipher, if
you know what I mean. You know, and, and having
(01:06:34):
that whole situation because again, how long has
Godolkin been in control of him and what does that
mean?
>> Will (01:06:43):
Yeah, so that's a good point. That's a good point.
>> Sarah (01:06:45):
Well, on that note, Will, why don't you tell our
listeners where they can find you?
>> Will (01:06:50):
Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will
and Polk. W I L L M P O.
>> Sarah (01:06:55):
L K And you can find me there too at SJ Belmont
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