March 20, 2025 • 61 mins
Sarah and Will are back, ready to chat about this week's highlights. They kick things off with Netflix's "Adolescence," which Sarah binged. You don't want to miss this! (0:00)
Next, they dive into the puzzling film "Anora," which won Best Picture. Sarah's scratching her head, while Will shares his spicy takes on the buzz. Get ready for some hot takes! (3:45)
In honor of Women's History Month, Sarah highlights some amazing female filmmakers like Rita Moreno and Kathryn Bigelow. Their contributions to cinema are inspiring! (10:15)
And when you thought it couldn't get better, they break down the latest episode of "Daredevil: Born Again." The Punisher is back, and it’s a wild ride! (13:00)
Plus, they chat about the "Invincible" season 3 finale (37:00) and start their discussions about "Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man." (50:00)
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>> Sarah (00:00):
Greetings Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont and
with me as always, is our Mr. Producer, will Will Polk How are you doing
tonight. Will.
>> Will (00:07):
Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this evening?
>> Sarah (00:09):
I'm doing good.
>> Will (00:10):
That's good.
>> Sarah (00:12):
I, I find it amusing that
since we are now on stream
yard doing this recording, and
you edited, put together a full
countdown. You still insist on
doing a countdown before the
countdown?
>> Will (00:29):
Yeah, yeah. Well, just, just, it's
a cue for myself as much as anything.
>> Sarah (00:35):
Right, right, right. Very, very
nice.
>> Will (00:38):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (00:39):
unfortunately you were sick this past
weekend, so you missed out on all of
the mayhem that that kind of
went about. Because I'm, I'm sure
some of our listeners, have Netflix
and I'm sure they caught wind of
the latest new viral
(01:00):
show from Netflix called Adolescence.
And I, I watched it not once but
twice and I
think I might have watched the, the first
episode at least the opening
sequence at least three
times. So,
I, I'm, I'm not going to go into detail.
(01:22):
I went into cold only having read
the description of what the show is on Netflix and
essentially it's about a, a
13 year old being accused of killing
another 13 year old. That's all I'm gonna
say. And I will say it is
British. So us Americans
(01:43):
watch it with subtitles because
there's even points where I'm reading subtitles and I'm
like, I don't know what that means
because that is British slang. And I have no
idea.
>> Will (01:56):
We had to do that. there were a few times. I know we were watching
Supacell. We had to do that too because it's again,
it was set in South London. So. Yeah, so,
yeah, so some of the, some of the, slang, definitely. We
definitely needed the translation there.
>> Sarah (02:10):
Well, well, I mean that's not what subtitles
do. Like, they're not going to translate the word for
you, but you're, you're not going to be able to
even hear like. I'm pretty sure they said this. Did
they say this? Okay, I still don't know that, what that means,
but. Cool, cool.
>> Will (02:27):
Context boost helps in those situations sometimes.
>> Sarah (02:30):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
>> Will (02:31):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (02:32):
Ah. So I, I just, I, I
do recommend it, for reasons
and eventually whenever
Will gets around to watching it, I'm sure
we can do, a more
spoilerish, overview of the
show. that is very interesting
(02:52):
and I, I'm just gonna call it right
now if this show does not at least pick
up one and me and it can be in several
different categories. I will be shocked.
And it will be a crime.
>> Will (03:05):
Wow.
>> Sarah (03:06):
Okay.
>> Will (03:07):
Wow.
>> Sarah (03:08):
It'll be a crime if this show does
not get a single Emmy, because, my
God. And, and I'm not gonna
even say categories, but there are a few
different ones.
>> Will (03:20):
That's it.
>> Sarah (03:22):
and which leads into the next thing I want
to bring up, about reward season.
So. So I, I did it yesterday.
I. I saw that
part of my Hulu Max
Disney plus bundle thing.
Anora is streaming, for
free.
>> Will (03:42):
Yep, I saw that.
>> Sarah (03:45):
I don't know why it won Best
Picture. I don't know why
Mikey won best Actress.
I have no idea. There. It's a
freaking long movie. First of all, it's two and a
half hours. There is about a half hour
to 40 minutes I actually enjoyed. And
(04:05):
then the rest of it, I was like, well, it
was the beginning part where she falls in love
with. Love is a stretch. They. They
get together and there's this
whirlwind and it's a fantasy and
everything. And she thinks like, this is it.
This is her chance out. I totally understand all that.
(04:26):
but their chemistry was just
like, not it at all.
Like it was not there. And
so then, And I'm gonna spoiler this because I
don't think it's worth anybody's time. Like,
by the end of it, everyone, like, I kept hearing
like, oh, it's a really funny movie. And then the
(04:47):
ending is sad. So I
thought, I thought the, the people were gonna kill
her because that was the whole thing. Like
the, like he's technically
the heir of a Russian
organized family.
>> Will (05:02):
Right.
>> Sarah (05:04):
so I thought, I thought they were gonna kill her and they were
setting it up and just. I mean, we get.
They get. They get their marriage
annulled and the Valia goes
back to Russia with his parents and then she.
And then we still have another 20 minutes of this
movie. and by the end of it,
no, she doesn't. She just breaks down
(05:26):
crying while trying to have sex
with this other guy. Anyway, it's
just. I can see
the quote unquote artistic choices,
but as a overall product, I
was very disappointed and just
very confused as to now. I
know the competition was not the best this
(05:49):
year. Yeah, I understand that.
But I still. I mean,
I don't know, I just. It. It
bothered me that I. I
mean, how many nominees are there for best
Picture these days?
Yeah, you really couldn't have picked a
(06:10):
different non controversial film.
I hear this little film called Wicked is good,
but you might be Saving that for part two.
I don't know. So it just, Yeah,
I, I'm glad
I was able to watch it for free.
Yeah, I'm very grateful
for that because that would have made things 10 times
(06:33):
worse. But I,
I don't know. It, like I said,
there's, there is a good 40 minutes where I'm like,
why couldn't this be the full movie? Because
I really enjoy this. When she's trying to,
when she finds herself with
these, these three
(06:53):
different. Part of the family,
not part of like, these characters,
and she's trying to find
Valia in New York, like,
like that whole section of the,
of it as soon as, and maybe it's because I
never liked Valia, the guy that
she gets together with.
>> Will (07:14):
Yeah. So.
>> Sarah (07:15):
Because I didn't like him and I could under, I saw
how much of a child he was.
I, I, I could not get on board
with, like, yeah,
you're, you should wanna,
like. I don't know. I
just, Yeah, I, I had to bring
(07:36):
it up that I, I
don't, I don't understand. I,
I, and maybe it's also because I had higher
expectations given the awards.
>> Will (07:47):
Well, that's, that's very fair. I mean, whenever you hear
a film, what is, is one Best Picture,
you. And you, you, you expect
it to be the Best Picture.
Especially when you think about, you know, all the films that
have, like, one in that category in the past, so.
>> Sarah (08:04):
Yes and no. Because, I mean, there's
always people, whether it's actors
or movies themselves that have won these
things. And you're like, how did that happen? Especially
when you look at the, competition. So,
so it was not necessarily
just that it won Best Picture. It was
(08:25):
also because Mikey won Best
Actress and, and a lot of
people.
>> Will (08:32):
Didn'T win Director as well.
>> Sarah (08:34):
Director. It won like five, five of the big
categories. It was. Yeah,
but, but I had also, like,
leading up to the Oscars,
overheard conversations from movie
critics or people who review
movies, and they mentioned enjoying
it. So
(08:57):
it was, it was more about the hearsay from other
people of, like, these are the contenders that
actually you should watch.
>> Will (09:04):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (09:06):
not just because they're nominated, but.
>> Will (09:08):
Yeah, true. Yeah. I mean, I, I could, I could. Yeah, I hear
you. Because I know I like watching the, fyc. It
was Scott man, Perry Nimroth and Jeff
Snyder. and, you know, this year was one of those
years where honestly I, I don't
think, other than maybe one or two of the animated films,
I didn't watch hardly Anything that was nominated.
And so, yeah, but it was definitely an
(09:30):
Oro was definitely one of the ones that they. It was
consistently throughout the year. They were
like, yeah, this is a, a contender.
but, you know, but I think some, you know, I think Jeff
was like the substance, maybe should have had a better run.
but, yeah, well. But, yeah,
awards.
>> Sarah (09:49):
All right. Yeah, well, that leads us
to, Women's History Month.
>> Will (09:55):
Yeah. Speaking of award season.
So I had a.
Things, that I wanted to, you know, since we are in March
and we were, just talking about award season and
we did not plan this. This is just a. It just, it just kind of
happened. I ended up
profiling some Oscar
(10:16):
winning, first for, For
Women. And of course, with the chart
here that put together, up in the upper,
upper corner is Rita Moreno, who of
course was, she was the first Latina to win an acting
Oscar for her role at west side story in
1961. And then
Elizabeth Taylor did not win an Oscar for
(10:37):
Cleopatra. But it is, I put this on,
on the list that she was paid $1
million for her acting role in Cleopatra
in 1963. And that was the first actress to
ever get paid that sum of money.
Moving, to the middle column,
we have, on my left,
(10:59):
viewers, right, Julia, Phillips. She
is the first woman producer to win the best
picture Oscar for the sting in
1973. And then,
next to her, Yep. Katherine Bigelow. Yep.
Which everyone, she was the first and only one first woman to
win best Oscar for of course, the hurt locker in
(11:19):
2010. And then of course, Chloe Zach,
one best, directing, for
Nomadland. And also it's the first woman of color to
win an Oscar as well for that film.
And then last, it's not an Oscar winner, but
also, another just notable,
filmmaker Julie Dash. She, directed
the first feature film, was the first African
(11:41):
American woman to direct the feature film
the actor who he released in the United States. And,
a film called Daughters of the dust in 1991.
So those are the profiles for, for this month.
>> Sarah (11:53):
Wow. Very, very cool.
Yeah, I knew, I knew two of them.
I knew about west side Story and I knew about
Katherine Vo and, and
Chloe Zao. I
also, yeah, I'm aware of.
>> Will (12:12):
Yeah. And I think no Bad Wetland also won Best Picture that
year too, if I recall.
>> Sarah (12:16):
Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah,
yeah, yeah,
I think, I think,
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
moving on to things that we know for
sure, we're gonna Start things off with
Daredevil Born Again episode
four. And then will please correct
(12:39):
me if I mispronounce this title,
because I believe it's a, it's a
law term. yeah, that
you.
>> Will (12:50):
Go ahead. Go ahead, sir.
>> Sarah (12:51):
Okay, okay, okay. Or do
you just want to say it and then explain what it means? Because it
completely goes over my head.
>> Will (13:00):
Sure. So the episode title this week is
Sick Semper Systema, which is
a Latin phrase. and that roughly
translates, is the, thus always to
the system. And the meaning of that
is that the
system of a government
or can be overthrown or
(13:22):
challenged. Which is some of the themes that were,
really resonated
quite through throughout this episode with all the
various, plot, you know, plots that we saw with
Matt, with, of course with King, with
Fisk and, and one, a
very
(13:42):
piped appearance that people were very
excited to see. Frank Castle returning as the Punisher.
oh, returning as the Punisher.
and yeah, and of course with the poster here,
you can see it does have the the
Punisher, logo on it. And yeah,
this is part of the promotional materials that Disney plus put out right
(14:02):
before this episode air just to tease that the
Punisher was returning. So, yeah,
so that's, that's what the title of the episode
is and some of the thoughts. So Sarah, I'll hand it back over to you.
>> Sarah (14:13):
Okay, so wait, I, I, you cut
off briefly at the end. So what does it mean? One more
time?
>> Will (14:20):
Yeah, so basically, the
roughly means that a
system of, or government
can be overthrown or challenged.
>> Sarah (14:32):
Okay, yeah, interesting.
>> Will (14:34):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (14:36):
and, and does that relate
into the what I noted as
a very flirty but also a
very lawyer heavy
term conversation, between
Matt and his opposing
counsel, on Leroy's case?
>> Will (14:56):
Yeah, I mean, I think that Leroy's case is,
is part of it because it's a, I guess for me was
the bigger, bigger themes that were
going on there because, you know,
when you think about, you know,
Matt, you know, does hold the legal
system up to, you know, such higher high
regard and you know, he's really trying
(15:18):
to go about things the right
way. as far as going straight and not
being a vigilante anymore and working through the system
and then how the system, you know, with Leroy's, you
know, very, very powerful. I
thought moment there whenever they
were, he and Matt were discussing about
his situation and how he's been jerked around by a
(15:40):
system. you
know, you have, you have, you know. You know, it
was. It was illustrative of, like, how the
system is so messed up that you're like, you know, y'all are
like, going after a guy who
basically, just stole a box of candy, you know,
goes and pop, you know, and. And. And
(16:01):
then. And then, you know, you have
the. The system, you know,
is. Is failing this man
because, you know, they're spending more
money to, like, keep him
locked up. Yeah. And.
And so, you know, so when you see, you know, when you see
(16:21):
that. And then we, you know, later in the episode, which really
drives on the point as far as, you know,
challenging or overthrowing the system. You
know, when Frank, like, really nails into.
Hard into Matt what, you know, about
Foggy, and especially names dropped.
The, you know,
(16:42):
name dropped Bullseye.
And what happened, it really, like, makes the
point that, like, why are you. You
know, the system that we have
here is. Is just
so. It's. It's not working.
And. And. And sometimes we have
to take matters into our own hands to. In order to
(17:05):
get actual justice. So, you know,
so. So when Matt was having that back and forth with the, With the
prosecutor about the. About, you know, trying to
knock off days off of Leroy's sentence, he was just
like, look, I mean, come on, really, you gotta, like, do all
this effort for a guy even though he has some
priors, but at the end of the day,
in the grand scheme of things, you know, Matt's, you
(17:27):
know, trying to, you know, within the confines
of plea, bargaining, trying to push back on the system, to be like, look,
let's. Let's just be. Let's have
a. Let's be reasonable here. And
then, of course, there's other, you know, levels that we. That we
see throughout the, episode as well.
>> Sarah (17:46):
Right, right. Yeah, I. I just
like the line, Could it have been a scroll?
>> Will (17:51):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (17:53):
I mean, to go through secret invasion.
That was a great payoff.
>> Will (17:58):
Yeah. Yeah. That. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (18:02):
so. So then, what are some of those other
levels, that you mentioned?
>> Will (18:08):
Yeah, I think like, Kingpin with this
whole, You know,
I think. I think
with how they
are, you know, he's trying to, you know, he's. He
is trying to be
straight now and trying to fix the city.
(18:29):
But he,
He, you know, at the end of the, you know, there's still
this undercurrent of the, you
know, vigilantes and stuff that,
are. That are out there taking the law on their own
own hands as far as, you know, trying to you know,
resolve some of the crime issues that. That the city
(18:50):
still has. So, you know. So.
Yeah. So Kingpin wants to, like, clean up things and do it,
right?
>> Sarah (18:56):
Yeah, but. Yeah, but that's not really his problem right now.
>> Will (19:00):
Not right now. But I'm just saying, for. I'm, just. Yeah, I'm just foreshadowing
issues down the line. Yeah.
>> Sarah (19:04):
Okay.
>> Will (19:05):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (19:06):
So his. His current problem is all of the red tape that
bureaucracy involves and then the mob
bosses, because he has a foot in both worlds.
Same thing with Matt. He's a vigilante.
You can't necessarily just wake up one day and say, I'm
no longer a vigilante. And then at the same
time, he's a lawyer. So, And
(19:27):
often, is def.
Defending council. So,
Yeah. What. Where do we
want to go from there?
what did you think about Fisk and
Vanessa's marriage counseling?
>> Will (19:46):
Yeah, that was very, you know,
very, interesting moment there because it really,
like, got into the depths
of the, you know, the forgiveness,
the infidelity, her, you know, when I was
watching it last night
and, you know, when she was describing,
(20:07):
the, you know, how Adam, Phil and
as far as the, you know, the art and.
And all those kind of things, you know, he was basically
filling a void that, you
know, when Fisk was. Was out of commission,
he was filling that. That void that, you know,
that she was missing. And then now
(20:28):
that Fisk is trying to go
straight, and, you know, there's still
this void because, you know, the man that
she loved
is morphing into something else. So
it's. It's very, like, hard for her
to, you know. You know, to feel
(20:48):
that belonging or feel. Feel that connection with them
anymore. so, you know, so, you know, just seeing
the dynamics between the two of them,
as far as seeing how, you know, she. Seeing how she's
reacting to his new. His
venture, was, you know, was very
interesting to me. And also the other thing, too, that.
That I did, like, about, at the end of
(21:10):
the. Of the one session, whenever,
the counselor acts pissed to step out, and then
they had a, you know, had a discussion
about. Yeah, yeah,
I thought that was. I thought that was a good little moment just to, like,
really, you know, touch on issue of domestic
violence without, you know, in a. In a very
contextual way that wasn't, like, preachy, but like.
(21:33):
But also, like, made the point point. And then, of course, how they followed up
through it later in the episode about how she did not, you know, not
Only did she tell her counselor that she didn't fear
him. But then whenever they were having the discussion
at the table later in the episode, and,
you know, Fisk talking about his father and the things
that he saw, growing up and, and, and
(21:53):
he. He didn't learn forgiveness
and those types of things. It was, you know, it. But at the
same time that he wasn't going to hurt her. you know, I
thought those were. I thought those were really good things they like, you know,
put throughout the episode.
>> Sarah (22:07):
Yeah, Yeah, I, I think you had it backwards,
though, and I think we talked about this last week, that
it's not so much that Fisk is changing,
it's that he left, he comes back,
she's been in control, and.
And took and, Rose to the occasion while he
was gone and really came. And she even
(22:27):
says it in this episode, I'm not woman that you
married. And
he's. I think
he's still grasping with that. And
then the whole forgiveness thing is
really, I found to be very interesting
because that was a very,
like. I almost felt like the whole show paused right
(22:49):
after they said that line, that
forgiveness is. Is like the greatest act
of love because
we know that, like the boiling.
What's boiling beneath. Beneath
Fisk. Yeah, it's this visually empty stuff.
But Vanessa is always number one.
>> Will (23:09):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (23:10):
So it's. It's always like him.
Suddenly he doesn't even have
control over the woman he loves and
is married to and. And
has allowed someone else to come. Come
into their marriage and,
and touch her and, and everything.
(23:31):
So. So that is very
unsettling. and it. And it's
interesting how I
thought that, they did a good job because
we also. His, one of the members
of his staff. Staff up in this
episode, we kind of knew it was bound
to happen with that guy. And,
(23:53):
and then Fisk eventually
immediately calls, calls everyone together
and gives them a lecture
and then demands to know the leak. And. And the
guy, fortunately, is brave enough to say, I'm
the leak. And you do see
forgiveness kind of also
with an undercurrent of a. If you do it again, I
(24:16):
will kill you. Yep,
I will get one.
You only get one. And then to your point,
you fast forward into, Adam being in a
cage. it was weird to me,
though. And yeah, I'm like, I'm
sure he's been down there for a while,
(24:36):
like a very long time. But
it's still the way he kept crying. I was like,
so are they torturing him? Are they going to show us something.
But no, it was just eating dinner while
Adam screams, trying to get let
out. So, so maybe psychosis has
ensued in Adam. But I
(24:57):
think to go back to your point about
the void and the fulfillment, I
found it interesting that Vanessa
specifically said it was his hands.
And why I found that to be interesting is
if you go back and listen to our previous
reviews or even re. Watch the previous
episodes, there has been a
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lot of camera shots on
Fisk's Fisk
and transition shots and they've been
bloodied and they've been a bit.
And like, so it's
very interesting that they've put that
in that his hands, Adam's
hands were different. And then you
(25:42):
have this, this foreshadowing
of Fisk of
us, of us getting fed these clues that there
is something that Fisk is hiding.
and, and then we found out what that was. I'm sure
there's more, but.
>> Will (25:58):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (25:59):
So,
I do really like the current
relationship dynamics between Amanda and
Matt. Yeah, just put that out
there. I, I liked.
She, she's not, I, I, I can
appreciate that. We're
four episodes in and they're having the conversation
(26:22):
like, I'm worried about you when you don't come
home. And, but it's still new. So
there's still like this, I don't know if I can say this,
but I'm going to say this. And then he,
even to the best of his
ability, explains to her what's going
on. And it's, and it's interesting because
(26:43):
he's telling the truth. Like
his, his burdens right now are he,
he was able to get client, proven
innocent, who then immediately ends up dead.
And then another S is serving time at
Rikers for stealing a bag of caramel
popcorn.
>> Will (27:00):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (27:01):
So it's, it, it
was, it's really interesting
that they've been able to
sustain four episodes
now. And yes, I'm aware that there
were at least two or three fight sequences with
Matt's specifically, but
the absence of the mask, the
(27:23):
absence of, of that
Persona. And so my
big takeaway from this episode
was really, I would describe it and I'm,
I think some people could say it's filler. I'm not going to use
that word.
>> Will (27:38):
No, no.
>> Sarah (27:39):
I, I would give the description of,
Think about a, a, a tea
kettle that is, that is
starting to boil. Like the water is
boiling and you're hearing that sound like
on. And it's on both sides. Yeah, on,
Fisk and It's on Matt. Like their
nature. They're being pushed to a
(28:02):
point where they have to go
back. They're going to have to go back on the
promise that they made each other in the first
episode.
>> Will (28:12):
For sure. Yeah. Anybody who says that this episode
was, was a filler. Yeah, that's
just, that's just there. I don't know
what, what episode they watch because to your point, I
mean things. The plot is progressing
forward.
And you're right. I mean it is,
you know, it is simmering and you know, and, and their true
(28:33):
natures, Fisk and, and Matt's
natures are, you know,
even though they made the promise to one another, they're trying
to like, do different, you know, do
different things to as far as, you
know, Fisk being mayor and trying
to, you know, build the city and build this port and you know,
(28:53):
do. Do all the Merrell things. Even to the
point of, you know, we
built this city.
>> Sarah (29:01):
Oh my God.
>> Will (29:02):
I thought about paradise. Yeah.
>> Sarah (29:05):
Did you, did you hear
this? This is the best behind the scenes
thing, that I've heard all week.
>> Will (29:12):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (29:13):
they had to refilm that.
>> Will (29:15):
Yes, I heard that.
>> Sarah (29:16):
Because the kids were too good.
>> Will (29:17):
Too good. Yes, I heard about that. I did.
>> Sarah (29:22):
But it was such a good payoff of then going to the
lot Lavatnia thing and,
and having to hear it again in a different language.
And, and the fact that I love that piece of
dialogue thread though, that it's mentioned early on
in the episode by Matt that it's
lovotny history day.
>> Will (29:41):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (29:41):
All this stuff, it's just. I was just like, oh
my God, that's, that's so good.
>> Will (29:47):
Yeah, it was so good. stuck
together with the prosecutor. Yeah, with that. Yeah, that
was great. And I couldn't help but think about paradise whenever I
started here because you know, that was
you know, the president, you know, had that on his
mixtape.
>> Sarah (30:05):
I, I did not make that connection.
>> Will (30:08):
Yeah. But well, yeah, but then hearing it like that and
then hearing it twice in this episode. Yeah, it was, it was
pretty funny. But Yeah, but you know,
but seeing that and then like you said, but
then the juxtaposition of fist doing, you know, trying to
do all, you know. But then of course the fist that we
know, you know, has Adam locked up and
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you know.
>> Sarah (30:30):
Well, yeah, yeah, the, the, the, the
kingpin of it all is
like Adams in a cell. Yeah, but,
but it is interest interesting in this
episode that we follow Fisk.
We Conti are Continuing to follow Fisk on
this very m. Mayor. Like, I'm
waiting for him to kill that. That, I
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want Sheila.
>> Will (30:53):
Yeah. Sheila.
>> Sarah (30:54):
Yeah. Because. Because I always feel
like it gets a point. And then he. He
just like him forgiving the staffer in this
episode with Sheila, he.
He. He looks at her and is like, you know what?
In my previous life, I would have just shot
you. Yeah, but. But I need
you. Like, Like that is
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something. He needs her
because she. She knows the game
there that he is now playing, and he has not a
clue. And he makes that abundantly clear.
>> Will (31:27):
He makes it very clear.
>> Sarah (31:29):
But he also has a good point. It's like,
you can't keep giving me all these problems.
Like, let. Tell me what the first step
is and we'll do that.
>> Will (31:40):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (31:40):
which. I don't know why you. Why. Why he would have
to say that. I mean, it was. I was like, just tell him what he
has to do. But.
>> Will (31:47):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (31:48):
What were you gonna say?
>> Will (31:49):
No, no, I think that's exactly what I was. I was gonna go with
about Sheila. It's just like, you know, whatever.
Whenever he cleared the room and, you know, I
was really expecting that moment of him, like, you know,
was losing it and. And taking them both out, but.
But again, he. He pulls it back. But also,
you know, I think it, You know, I think it,
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you know, looking at Fisk and, you know, in the
gray suit that he's wearing all the time, he's always wearing
gray. And it's really like, you know, there's a lot of visual cues
that they're doing in the show, like, like, you know, the
wardrobe and. And, and also, like
the food. Like, whenever. Whenever he's making a
point about something in the. In the Kingpin esque
way, you know, whenever, you know,
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whenever he's trying to be m. The m. Mayor
Fisk, he's having, like, light, like,
lighter fare. But then whenever, like in the first
couple episodes, you know, there's a second. I think it was episode two with the
police officer, with the. With the sandwich. And
then. And then this when sitting there
eating with. When that was in the room
there with Adam, a very heavy,
(32:56):
you know, mill. And it was just very visceral and it's
just, you know, heavy. And it was.
You know, it. It just really like adds. You
know, there's like those visual clues and
things and set pieces that they were doing in the show that just really
set the mood. or. Or like you say, with
the writing too, like, with the being Latvia and
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you know, Independence Day or whatever. And you
know, the prosecutor happens to, you know, that's their
ethnicity and then you know, he goes to the, you know, to the
celebration. So I mean there's just so many things I like that
I'm really enjoying about this show that it's
just very well written and well, well well edited.
Because other thing, you know, as far as the
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scenes that they had with that
with Frank and, and and Matt were actually
supposed to be later in the series,
but they actually decided to pull it forward to, to
this episode to, to really, to your
point, show the, the, the
simmering kettle. you
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know, that, that is, that is, that is building up. especially
the way that Frank, you know, really needle
Matt, whenever Matt went to, you know,
sold him out after finding the, the shell casing.
>> Sarah (34:08):
Yeah. Yeah.
I, I will admit it kind of was abrupt to me
that we got Frank in this episode. Episode.
So it actually makes sense that originally they had
planned it for a later episode. Okay. That's why
it kind of stuck out where I'm like really we're going here.
And also like, like
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there, there just was something about. I can't, I
can't put my finger on what it was. But
I mean I enjoyed the scene. It's
classic Matt and Frank dialogue.
but I, I also, it
just, it felt, I don't know, there's something
about it that made me think it was a little out of
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place.
>> Will (34:53):
yeah, apparently. Yeah. And apparently too,
they, they did do some ADRs
and, and and and did do some reshoots
to whenever they did pull it
forward in, in the show. so
that, that, that was, that was also part of
the, you know, bringing it forward
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at this juncture in the series.
>> Sarah (35:16):
Yeah, yeah. And then we, we're just continuing
to get teased Muse
as that also continues to just
start to bubble over whatever
means M. As planned. so we will have
two episodes of Daredevil to talk about
next week. and
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now we're gonna move on to wrap up
Invincible Season 3 with I
thought you never shut up. And
the IMDb synopsis is. With the world
still reeling, a dangerous stranger arrives,
testing Mark to his limits. And beyond that
stranger being Jeffrey Dean Morgan as
conquest. I have his opening
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line of I enjoy this. There's no greater
pleasure than the feel of hm, my fist drenched in your
blood.
And And essentially we got Chicago part two.
>> Will (36:13):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (36:17):
I, I will admit. And, and I
don't think this should be a surprise to anyone. I
was not engaged in, like,
for majority of this episode just because the. The.
The action, it never really does that much for
me. I like the verbal,
exchanges, and there was parts of
that, And then we also know I've.
(36:39):
I'm not. I think I'm
starting to get there, and I think I will be there
for season four. But the Eve and Mark
stuff, it just was a very weird
way for. It felt way too
rushed this season, so even.
And then we have the whole fake out of Eve's
(36:59):
dead. Oh, no, she's not. And I'm like, okay,
guys, what are we doing with stakes here? What's going
on?
>> Will (37:06):
So that, you know, that's a. With the Eve
thing. That's a call back to the, the
Adam Eve,
solo.
>> Sarah (37:16):
Yeah, so the special.
>> Will (37:18):
The special, yeah. Yeah. So with that, With. With.
With her powers and I guess the mental block that they had put on
to her, that she could only do it whenever she was just
like, you know, you know, super,
super, you know,
distressed or whatever.
>> Sarah (37:33):
So.
>> Will (37:33):
Yeah, so, I mean, I hear you. I mean, I know you're. I know
it's been a thing.
Growing thing for you as far as just,
you know, their relationship and. And it's still
feeling. It's a bit rushed, as far
as, you know, coming on, getting on board with it. But I mean,
you know, I do. I guess they. I guess, you know, thinking about
like, the whole, like, lightning rod concept, for
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example, you know, with the Flash or,
you know, Clark and Lois. So, I mean, I guess this is, you know, since
they do pull these
things from the Marvel and dc, you know,
archetypes, you know, in. In this show, and they make
it their own, you know, so I guess, you know, even. And
Marker is that same kind of lightning rod concept
with one another to be that
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homie. Beacon. Beacon for. For the two of them, you know, for the.
>> Sarah (38:21):
Yeah, they should have just written it better for the
screen, in my opinion. And that's completely
my opinion. So.
>> Will (38:27):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I hear you. Yeah, yeah, it's
fair. It's fair. Yeah. But I hear you about
the. The. The. The. The fights
and. And all. I mean, it did get to a point
where. Loses
its impact in some regard in some
way, you know, just because. And I
know Conquest.
>> Sarah (38:49):
Sorry. Sorry to cut you off, but conquest just kept.
Also, it's interesting because it wasn't
a Chicago felt more
like good 20 minutes of just action.
Right.
>> Will (39:00):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (39:01):
Between father and son. So they had that
going Conquest. It felt like,
okay, he's gonna start to beat up Mark.
And then, oh no, Oliver's here. And then we
get a monologue from Conquest.
And then we start fighting again.
And then we get. Eve's here. Then we get a
monologue from Conquest. And there were so, so many
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monologues. I was just like,
you're, you're gonna, he's. Mark's
gonna win eventually because you're
too busy talking all of the
goddamn time. Like,
oh my God. And then, and then you have that
moment where at the end he's
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like, to tell you the truth, I'm really lonely
and all this stuff. And it's just,
I don't, I don't really care. This is first time I'm meeting
Conquest. Why do I care if he's lonely or
anything? I did. And, and at that
point I was like, you go Mark. Yeah. Smash his
head in. Because. Yeah. I thought you
(40:05):
never shut up.
>> Will (40:08):
Yeah. So the title, the title worked. I
mean, it does work.
Yeah. Because I felt that. I felt that same way
too when he finally, like, you know, I did. Like, I did.
That will do. we'll say. I did appreciate
that, that, that last little soliloquy
that Conquest had as far as, you know, all.
With all the, you know, good at what I do and all the
(40:31):
viltrumites, you know, I'm lonely. I'm a, victim
of my own success. I did like that moment. Ah. I will
say, because it just, it was like
that. It was, it was, it
was trying to like, instead of him just being an evil
mustache twirling villain. He was,
he was. But, but it was still trying. It was
(40:51):
also trying to like, maybe elicit
some sympathy for him
or. I don't know if sympathy is the right word or it was just trying to
like,
>> Sarah (41:03):
I think, I think the villain is not
necessarily what one person. I think the
villain overall the greatest,
the biggest enemy of Mark is his
vulture mite side.
>> Will (41:16):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (41:17):
And so we're meeting because we've met a few
voltamites now and each time
markets his ass kicked to an extent.
And, and this one was
talking about the loneliness because
he's now come across how Mark
has Oliver and
Eve and like to. To
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envy that. And Nolan even says at,
the. At the start, like I. He has that classic
line at the beginning of the season to Alan,
like, I think I miss my wife.
>> Will (41:48):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (41:49):
Like that's the appealing thing
about this race and arguably other races
too, AKA Oliver.
But. But there's that that sense of
belonging and that partnership and that
friendship that even conquest isn't
getting. But then again, the society that he was
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brought up in as a vulture mite,
like you didn't need that because he had
purpose.
>> Will (42:15):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (42:15):
And so it was. I think it was
more like what they're doing with any
vulture mite that we've encountered other than
Nolan and Mark, is that is
really showing why
Nolan acted the way he did in
season one.
>> Will (42:33):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (42:34):
And made the choices he made and how
it is because of this, this society. And
I think the, an undercurrent of that also that
loneliness goes back to, I don't know,
three episodes ago, the last time we saw Alan and
Nolan. Whereas Nolan reveals
there's only 50 full blooded
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vulture mites. Well, now there's 49.
Well, kind of. Because Cecilia, of
course we knew Cecil wasn't gonna burn the body.
No, there's no way in hell. I also don't know
if his plan's gonna work, but we'll see.
like. Like, I, I think as a season
finale this did a good job.
>> Will (43:16):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (43:17):
Because I don't. I, I think. I think
pulling Nolan and Alan back into
it this late in the game
would be too much. And so I, I like the idea
that they. We really wanted
to. It's interesting
though how, Mark has
(43:37):
now killed. Well, kind of. But
he, he, like, he keeps killing people. And
he makes a very big declaration in this
episode that if anybody
threatens my family or hurts the people I
love, I will kill you.
>> Will (43:52):
Yeah. Yeah. After. Yeah.
I mean, after the whole conversation that he and Oliver have
had, you know, beginning of the
season, why, you know, Oliver questioned why don't we kill? And
now Mark has grow, you know, after
all of this.
>> Sarah (44:08):
Yeah.
>> Will (44:08):
He finally is like, okay, it. I'm,
They're dead, you know. Yeah. So
I guess.
>> Sarah (44:17):
Yeah. Yeah. Of Angstrom is
still technically alive.
>> Will (44:21):
Yeah. And we see him technically.
>> Sarah (44:24):
Yeah, alive. So Mark hasn't really
killed anyone. Like there's been casualties
in this. Obviously. I'm
sure we'll hear about the civilians that died
during Conquest Mark fight and then
everyone who died in Chicago.
Like he's partly responsible for that as well,
(44:45):
unfortunately. but. But
yeah. So I think that that's how they kind of
get away with like this still being a hero.
or Mark still not fully
going to the dark side in the viewer's mind. Is
that his quote unquote deaths
or kills are actually
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like null.
>> Will (45:09):
Yeah, there's always like. Yeah, there's always, either
A technician to pull Angstrom away, which I'm. The whole
Angstrom thing. Speaking of, like,
I'm kind of over. I think right now.
I'm. They need to, like, put him on the back.
>> Sarah (45:24):
Yeah.
>> Will (45:24):
Shelf for. For a minute. Yeah, yeah,
I, Yeah, yeah,
yeah, exactly. Exactly.
>> Sarah (45:34):
I mean, it's. It's a thread. Like, you can't
keep pulling that. Like,
like, what's the point at this? Like, eventually
that thread has to get tied. Right.
Like.
>> Will (45:46):
Yeah, yeah. What thread? Yeah, one.
One thread that I thought
they. With. They did
close, with. With Rex and.
And the funeral. And. And, you know, I
did. I did, like,
how they had to pro. The eulogy
(46:07):
and. And. And, robot,
talking about Rex and how, you know, he's taking on the name now.
And, you know, it was like, a nice way to honor Rex. And then, of course,
when Eve did try to talk about him and,
you, know, she couldn't. She was overcome. but then whenever she
and Mark, you know, had their conversation about
Rex and how, you know, it just
(46:27):
really drove home the point. How it shows his character has
grown and changed and, And the impact that he had
on. On. On. On the, Guardians.
>> Sarah (46:35):
Yeah. the.
The other, like, little nugget that they
put in there besides, What was his name?
Wild beast or beast master?
The Allen. Allen who
helped Alan.
>> Will (46:51):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (46:52):
We see. We see him. Who gets. He.
He gets picked up very Guardians of the
Galaxy style. and then
there's this whole demon and the
Dark Lord.
>> Will (47:05):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (47:06):
Thing. Now, has that been teased?
Yeah, it has, it has. I feel. I was like.
>> Will (47:11):
I. I think it was like either season
one or two. I want to say it's been a while that,
whenever. Last time we saw the.
>> Sarah (47:19):
Okay.
>> Will (47:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah,
it's been there before.
>> Sarah (47:24):
Are they on a different planet or are they on Earth?
>> Will (47:27):
Yeah, I believe they're on Earth.
>> Sarah (47:28):
Okay, okay. Okay. So. So
there's also that and. And the plan
to tie the Dark Lord to Mark.
which. Which. Yeah.
interesting. But. But those. Those were the teas.
We really didn't get any in Nolan or Alan. Tease
teas. we've had enough of them for this season. We know
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what's going on there. But, Yeah,
I think that is it for. For
Invincible season three. We. We got around
to it a lot quicker.
>> Will (48:00):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it helps that they didn't have some
crazy focus breaks this time.
>> Sarah (48:06):
Oh, great.
>> Will (48:07):
The season was much better too.
>> Sarah (48:09):
Yeah. And. And what? We only watched season two
In January. Yeah, yeah. You
know, you know, a part of it is, is we
shorten that break for ourselves.
and then last but not least, we
are starting to, watch your friendly
neighborhood Spider Man. We are covering
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episodes one and two tonight.
yeah, this, the, the first
episode called Amazing Fantasy, and
described as during high school orientation,
Peter's life is changed forever and a new era
of Spider man begins.
(48:49):
So for some reason I didn't
expect the first episode to really be about
him getting the powers. And
then I was also pleasantly surprised that
they did. Like we see, we see
Dr. Strange and then the spider comes
through and, and that's how in
(49:09):
this, in this universe we, we
meet, Peter, or we,
we see Peter become Spider Man.
to an extent. There is a, there is a,
a few months later.
But, but what did you think about this,
introduction and this start.
>> Will (49:30):
Yeah, you know, it's, it's definitely, I
liked that they tweaked
the radioactive spider,
origin with this, with this
episode. and also it was just, you know,
I, I did not know what to expect going
into this show. You know, I know, you know, it's going to be high school
(49:51):
years and stuff. I had really no expectations
and but I was, you know,
I, I, it was, it, I enjoyed it. You know,
I think they did a, they were doing, they were doing some
swaps as far as, some of the characters.
ah, you know, we, as far as gender swap or
race swaps with, with some like, with in
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the episode, which I didn't have a problem with.
I just, I just, it was just, you know, it's making it very clear
that this is in a universe outside
of, you know, you know, since we are in a
multiverse saga right now, this is just making
it establishing at the outset that this,
this, this version of Spider man and
(50:32):
Peter Parker are in, in, in, in a
different universe. And you know, and,
and you know, so I was like, this is pretty cool. and you know, but there also
brought some elements, that we've seen from some of
the more recent iterations, live action iterations of the character
like a younger Aunt May.
and and then we just, you know, we get introduced
(50:53):
to, introduced to some new characters. I mean, at least for
me. Newer characters, like, his friend that, he
met. Nico. Yeah, they met at the school.
yeah. So. Yeah. So, you know, so we're
expanding his friendships beyond just the usual
folks that we're, we're familiar with. So I,
you know, I Felt these. These first two episodes
were. Were pretty engaging for me.
(51:16):
And, I'm like, okay, let's. Let's see where this goes.
>> Sarah (51:19):
Yeah, I. I guess. the
second episode is called the Peter Luck, and it's.
Peter begins an extra, an inclusive,
exclusive internship, but his first day is
m. Is way more complicated than he expected.
Yeah. but to go back to the first
episode, I just love
how, like, to your point, this is a clearly a
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different universe, a different version.
However, like, it still is
crazy how. How
Spidey and Peter
Parker specifically, it is
different, but it's so familiar.
Like. Like it's. It's walking a line of
nostalgia.
>> Will (52:01):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (52:02):
You know, and where you see the differences
and then you see the nods to, like, this
is also a story being
told.
>> Will (52:12):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (52:13):
Post end game.
>> Will (52:14):
Yeah, for sure.
>> Sarah (52:15):
The Iron man reference. Like, you see little things
and then the fact that the
introduction to Norman
is done in a very
deliberate way to. To
mirror when we meet Spidey in
the MCU back in Civil War.
Like, and then you just
(52:37):
exchange one.
One kind of, one good guy for a bad guy,
you know, And. And I
also did not know this, but the. The
actor who voices Norman is.
Is, Coleman.
>> Will (52:54):
Yeah, I did know that. Yeah, I did know that. Yeah.
>> Sarah (52:57):
Yeah. Which I was like, oh, that's great. That's cool.
And I do have to say. And I looked this up
because I was like, who is voicing
Peter? it's a really nice voice.
And I. And then I saw it's the same
actor who voiced him in what. What if.
>> Will (53:13):
Ah.
>> Sarah (53:14):
It wasn't Tom Holland in that episode. It.
It was, this. And I'm sorry I didn't write the name down,
but, shouts out to him because I think he
is doing a really good job. He's
not overly annoying and
whiny.
so. So I think that. I think these
two episodes really. I'm
(53:36):
glad we watched them back to back because I think it
was just like, just setting them the
scene, setting meeting the characters
and a lot of bait and switches. Like, I
mean, you get the Norman bait and switch
in the first episode, and then in the second
episode, we h. We are
introduced to the other
(53:58):
character, the foot. The quarterback.
Who. What's quarterback's name?
>> Will (54:03):
Yeah, Lonnie.
>> Sarah (54:04):
Lonnie. Lonnie. It's kind of introduced
him in the first episode. But I.
I thought it was interesting when we
part ways after school with Peter
and Lonnie, and the camera doesn't follow
Peter home camera follows Lonnie. Home.
>> Will (54:21):
Yep.
>> Sarah (54:22):
And. And I don't know where this is headed,
but I. I, was like, okay,
we're. They're. They're gonna do something with Lonnie.
Like, I. For some reason, I'm getting prowler
vibes, but I don't know if. If that's going to be
correct, so.
>> Will (54:38):
Yeah. Yeah, I was. I was thinking that, too.
That. Or something tragic was going to happen to him.
>> Sarah (54:44):
Yeah.
>> Will (54:45):
Yeah, just given. Given his, you know, he goes, you
know, he's. He wasn't, you know, the Flash
Thompson dumb jock. He was more, you know, he's,
you know, this dude. You know, he and Peter, like, started,
you know, because, you know, originally Peter had a big crush
on his babysitter.
>> Sarah (55:01):
Yeah.
>> Will (55:02):
And then, you know, then they end up having, You know,
he. Lonnie wants Peter to be his lab partner because he's. He's
as big as nerd as Peter is, and they just start
geeking out and, you know, oversight.
>> Sarah (55:13):
I don't think that's true. Yeah,
I think. I think Lonnie. Lonnie wants to
learn. Like, Lonnie, he's not a
dumb jock.
>> Will (55:22):
I mean, he can't.
>> Sarah (55:23):
Yeah, no, no, he's not a dumb jock by any.
Any means. That's what I'm saying. I. I just don't think
anyone's as big as a nerd as Peter.
>> Will (55:30):
No. Well, no, true. Fair point. Fair point,
Fair point. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (55:34):
I mean, he. He has some competition with these
other Osborne, interns,
especially Asha from Wakanda, which I was
like, this is great.
I. I like that name drop.
he gets assigned to work with Dr. Connors, who.
Yeah, and it's a gender swap that they did, which
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was very, very interesting. And there's
even the mention that, Dr. Connors is
leading the energy division, which is in somewhat
of a competition with Stark Industries.
Yeah, yeah, I,
like, I. I was
pleased, more than anything
else. I mean, this is so far, very paint by
(56:18):
number. But at the same time, this.
I, It didn't. It didn't necessarily
exceed expectations. It met. Met them
more or less. And. And
I was just. I was. I was like, okay,
okay. We're. They're. They're. They're. They're
telling a story. We know, but they are
(56:38):
telling it in some different ways.
>> Will (56:41):
Yeah. And also. Also, like with the second
episode, too, they, you know, they also, show the
challenges of Peter trying to juggle being a
teenager and, you know, doing the lab work
and also trying to be a superhero because you know, they were
invited to the party and, you know, Nico,
he was supposed to join her at, you know, after the
football game, but then, you know, then he ends up
(57:03):
having to, you know, the. The
arsonist, like, you know, does this thing. And so he's having
to, like, you know, you
know, he goes in a superhero mode and, you know, we have, you know,
rescuing animals in the pet shop and everything
else. you know, when he's dealing with,
Not Pyro, but, What was the name of the,
(57:25):
the arsonist?
>> Sarah (57:26):
I. I just call him the Arsonist.
>> Will (57:28):
Yeah, I can't remember his name, but, But yeah, so, you know, he's always, you
know, so I like, you know, so they were really showing the whole
360 of, like, what Peter Parker's life
is like right now.
>> Sarah (57:38):
Which. Which you can expect from a Spider man.
>> Will (57:40):
Yeah, yeah, but I'm. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.
>> Sarah (57:45):
and then. And I think we're just gonna cover
two episodes next week as well.
and. And our goal is to finish up,
the. Your friendly neighborhood Spider man
before. For last of us. And,
we should be, good to go
there. So. So it. If, if
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you've seen it, then, then always come
back in as we share our thoughts about it.
And if you haven't, maybe you will also,
want to. Want to get a bit of nostalgia about
this beloved character, and his,
and this version of his origin.
(58:29):
All right, well, on that note, Will, why don't you tell our
listeners where they can find you?
>> Will (58:33):
Yes, you can find me at, Will and Polk on all the
socials at W I L L M P.
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Greetings Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont and
with me as always, is our Mr. Producer, will Will Polk How are you doing
tonight. Will.
>> Will (00:07):
Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this evening?
>> Sarah (00:09):
I'm doing good.
>> Will (00:10):
That's good.
>> Sarah (00:12):
I, I find it amusing that
since we are now on stream
yard doing this recording, and
you edited, put together a full
countdown. You still insist on
doing a countdown before the
countdown?
>> Will (00:29):
Yeah, yeah. Well, just, just, it's
a cue for myself as much as anything.
>> Sarah (00:35):
Right, right, right. Very, very
nice.
>> Will (00:38):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (00:39):
unfortunately you were sick this past
weekend, so you missed out on all of
the mayhem that that kind of
went about. Because I'm, I'm sure
some of our listeners, have Netflix
and I'm sure they caught wind of
the latest new viral
(01:00):
show from Netflix called Adolescence.
And I, I watched it not once but
twice and I
think I might have watched the, the first
episode at least the opening
sequence at least three
times. So,
I, I'm, I'm not going to go into detail.
(01:22):
I went into cold only having read
the description of what the show is on Netflix and
essentially it's about a, a
13 year old being accused of killing
another 13 year old. That's all I'm gonna
say. And I will say it is
British. So us Americans
(01:43):
watch it with subtitles because
there's even points where I'm reading subtitles and I'm
like, I don't know what that means
because that is British slang. And I have no
idea.
>> Will (01:56):
We had to do that. there were a few times. I know we were watching
Supacell. We had to do that too because it's again,
it was set in South London. So. Yeah, so,
yeah, so some of the, some of the, slang, definitely. We
definitely needed the translation there.
>> Sarah (02:10):
Well, well, I mean that's not what subtitles
do. Like, they're not going to translate the word for
you, but you're, you're not going to be able to
even hear like. I'm pretty sure they said this. Did
they say this? Okay, I still don't know that, what that means,
but. Cool, cool.
>> Will (02:27):
Context boost helps in those situations sometimes.
>> Sarah (02:30):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
>> Will (02:31):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (02:32):
Ah. So I, I just, I, I
do recommend it, for reasons
and eventually whenever
Will gets around to watching it, I'm sure
we can do, a more
spoilerish, overview of the
show. that is very interesting
(02:52):
and I, I'm just gonna call it right
now if this show does not at least pick
up one and me and it can be in several
different categories. I will be shocked.
And it will be a crime.
>> Will (03:05):
Wow.
>> Sarah (03:06):
Okay.
>> Will (03:07):
Wow.
>> Sarah (03:08):
It'll be a crime if this show does
not get a single Emmy, because, my
God. And, and I'm not gonna
even say categories, but there are a few
different ones.
>> Will (03:20):
That's it.
>> Sarah (03:22):
and which leads into the next thing I want
to bring up, about reward season.
So. So I, I did it yesterday.
I. I saw that
part of my Hulu Max
Disney plus bundle thing.
Anora is streaming, for
free.
>> Will (03:42):
Yep, I saw that.
>> Sarah (03:45):
I don't know why it won Best
Picture. I don't know why
Mikey won best Actress.
I have no idea. There. It's a
freaking long movie. First of all, it's two and a
half hours. There is about a half hour
to 40 minutes I actually enjoyed. And
(04:05):
then the rest of it, I was like, well, it
was the beginning part where she falls in love
with. Love is a stretch. They. They
get together and there's this
whirlwind and it's a fantasy and
everything. And she thinks like, this is it.
This is her chance out. I totally understand all that.
(04:26):
but their chemistry was just
like, not it at all.
Like it was not there. And
so then, And I'm gonna spoiler this because I
don't think it's worth anybody's time. Like,
by the end of it, everyone, like, I kept hearing
like, oh, it's a really funny movie. And then the
(04:47):
ending is sad. So I
thought, I thought the, the people were gonna kill
her because that was the whole thing. Like
the, like he's technically
the heir of a Russian
organized family.
>> Will (05:02):
Right.
>> Sarah (05:04):
so I thought, I thought they were gonna kill her and they were
setting it up and just. I mean, we get.
They get. They get their marriage
annulled and the Valia goes
back to Russia with his parents and then she.
And then we still have another 20 minutes of this
movie. and by the end of it,
no, she doesn't. She just breaks down
(05:26):
crying while trying to have sex
with this other guy. Anyway, it's
just. I can see
the quote unquote artistic choices,
but as a overall product, I
was very disappointed and just
very confused as to now. I
know the competition was not the best this
(05:49):
year. Yeah, I understand that.
But I still. I mean,
I don't know, I just. It. It
bothered me that I. I
mean, how many nominees are there for best
Picture these days?
Yeah, you really couldn't have picked a
(06:10):
different non controversial film.
I hear this little film called Wicked is good,
but you might be Saving that for part two.
I don't know. So it just, Yeah,
I, I'm glad
I was able to watch it for free.
Yeah, I'm very grateful
for that because that would have made things 10 times
(06:33):
worse. But I,
I don't know. It, like I said,
there's, there is a good 40 minutes where I'm like,
why couldn't this be the full movie? Because
I really enjoy this. When she's trying to,
when she finds herself with
these, these three
(06:53):
different. Part of the family,
not part of like, these characters,
and she's trying to find
Valia in New York, like,
like that whole section of the,
of it as soon as, and maybe it's because I
never liked Valia, the guy that
she gets together with.
>> Will (07:14):
Yeah. So.
>> Sarah (07:15):
Because I didn't like him and I could under, I saw
how much of a child he was.
I, I, I could not get on board
with, like, yeah,
you're, you should wanna,
like. I don't know. I
just, Yeah, I, I had to bring
(07:36):
it up that I, I
don't, I don't understand. I,
I, and maybe it's also because I had higher
expectations given the awards.
>> Will (07:47):
Well, that's, that's very fair. I mean, whenever you hear
a film, what is, is one Best Picture,
you. And you, you, you expect
it to be the Best Picture.
Especially when you think about, you know, all the films that
have, like, one in that category in the past, so.
>> Sarah (08:04):
Yes and no. Because, I mean, there's
always people, whether it's actors
or movies themselves that have won these
things. And you're like, how did that happen? Especially
when you look at the, competition. So,
so it was not necessarily
just that it won Best Picture. It was
(08:25):
also because Mikey won Best
Actress and, and a lot of
people.
>> Will (08:32):
Didn'T win Director as well.
>> Sarah (08:34):
Director. It won like five, five of the big
categories. It was. Yeah,
but, but I had also, like,
leading up to the Oscars,
overheard conversations from movie
critics or people who review
movies, and they mentioned enjoying
it. So
(08:57):
it was, it was more about the hearsay from other
people of, like, these are the contenders that
actually you should watch.
>> Will (09:04):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (09:06):
not just because they're nominated, but.
>> Will (09:08):
Yeah, true. Yeah. I mean, I, I could, I could. Yeah, I hear
you. Because I know I like watching the, fyc. It
was Scott man, Perry Nimroth and Jeff
Snyder. and, you know, this year was one of those
years where honestly I, I don't
think, other than maybe one or two of the animated films,
I didn't watch hardly Anything that was nominated.
And so, yeah, but it was definitely an
(09:30):
Oro was definitely one of the ones that they. It was
consistently throughout the year. They were
like, yeah, this is a, a contender.
but, you know, but I think some, you know, I think Jeff
was like the substance, maybe should have had a better run.
but, yeah, well. But, yeah,
awards.
>> Sarah (09:49):
All right. Yeah, well, that leads us
to, Women's History Month.
>> Will (09:55):
Yeah. Speaking of award season.
So I had a.
Things, that I wanted to, you know, since we are in March
and we were, just talking about award season and
we did not plan this. This is just a. It just, it just kind of
happened. I ended up
profiling some Oscar
(10:16):
winning, first for, For
Women. And of course, with the chart
here that put together, up in the upper,
upper corner is Rita Moreno, who of
course was, she was the first Latina to win an acting
Oscar for her role at west side story in
1961. And then
Elizabeth Taylor did not win an Oscar for
(10:37):
Cleopatra. But it is, I put this on,
on the list that she was paid $1
million for her acting role in Cleopatra
in 1963. And that was the first actress to
ever get paid that sum of money.
Moving, to the middle column,
we have, on my left,
(10:59):
viewers, right, Julia, Phillips. She
is the first woman producer to win the best
picture Oscar for the sting in
1973. And then,
next to her, Yep. Katherine Bigelow. Yep.
Which everyone, she was the first and only one first woman to
win best Oscar for of course, the hurt locker in
(11:19):
2010. And then of course, Chloe Zach,
one best, directing, for
Nomadland. And also it's the first woman of color to
win an Oscar as well for that film.
And then last, it's not an Oscar winner, but
also, another just notable,
filmmaker Julie Dash. She, directed
the first feature film, was the first African
(11:41):
American woman to direct the feature film
the actor who he released in the United States. And,
a film called Daughters of the dust in 1991.
So those are the profiles for, for this month.
>> Sarah (11:53):
Wow. Very, very cool.
Yeah, I knew, I knew two of them.
I knew about west side Story and I knew about
Katherine Vo and, and
Chloe Zao. I
also, yeah, I'm aware of.
>> Will (12:12):
Yeah. And I think no Bad Wetland also won Best Picture that
year too, if I recall.
>> Sarah (12:16):
Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah,
yeah, yeah,
I think, I think,
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
moving on to things that we know for
sure, we're gonna Start things off with
Daredevil Born Again episode
four. And then will please correct
(12:39):
me if I mispronounce this title,
because I believe it's a, it's a
law term. yeah, that
you.
>> Will (12:50):
Go ahead. Go ahead, sir.
>> Sarah (12:51):
Okay, okay, okay. Or do
you just want to say it and then explain what it means? Because it
completely goes over my head.
>> Will (13:00):
Sure. So the episode title this week is
Sick Semper Systema, which is
a Latin phrase. and that roughly
translates, is the, thus always to
the system. And the meaning of that
is that the
system of a government
or can be overthrown or
(13:22):
challenged. Which is some of the themes that were,
really resonated
quite through throughout this episode with all the
various, plot, you know, plots that we saw with
Matt, with, of course with King, with
Fisk and, and one, a
very
(13:42):
piped appearance that people were very
excited to see. Frank Castle returning as the Punisher.
oh, returning as the Punisher.
and yeah, and of course with the poster here,
you can see it does have the the
Punisher, logo on it. And yeah,
this is part of the promotional materials that Disney plus put out right
(14:02):
before this episode air just to tease that the
Punisher was returning. So, yeah,
so that's, that's what the title of the episode
is and some of the thoughts. So Sarah, I'll hand it back over to you.
>> Sarah (14:13):
Okay, so wait, I, I, you cut
off briefly at the end. So what does it mean? One more
time?
>> Will (14:20):
Yeah, so basically, the
roughly means that a
system of, or government
can be overthrown or challenged.
>> Sarah (14:32):
Okay, yeah, interesting.
>> Will (14:34):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (14:36):
and, and does that relate
into the what I noted as
a very flirty but also a
very lawyer heavy
term conversation, between
Matt and his opposing
counsel, on Leroy's case?
>> Will (14:56):
Yeah, I mean, I think that Leroy's case is,
is part of it because it's a, I guess for me was
the bigger, bigger themes that were
going on there because, you know,
when you think about, you know,
Matt, you know, does hold the legal
system up to, you know, such higher high
regard and you know, he's really trying
(15:18):
to go about things the right
way. as far as going straight and not
being a vigilante anymore and working through the system
and then how the system, you know, with Leroy's, you
know, very, very powerful. I
thought moment there whenever they
were, he and Matt were discussing about
his situation and how he's been jerked around by a
(15:40):
system. you
know, you have, you have, you know. You know, it
was. It was illustrative of, like, how the
system is so messed up that you're like, you know, y'all are
like, going after a guy who
basically, just stole a box of candy, you know,
goes and pop, you know, and. And. And
(16:01):
then. And then, you know, you have
the. The system, you know,
is. Is failing this man
because, you know, they're spending more
money to, like, keep him
locked up. Yeah. And.
And so, you know, so when you see, you know, when you see
(16:21):
that. And then we, you know, later in the episode, which really
drives on the point as far as, you know,
challenging or overthrowing the system. You
know, when Frank, like, really nails into.
Hard into Matt what, you know, about
Foggy, and especially names dropped.
The, you know,
(16:42):
name dropped Bullseye.
And what happened, it really, like, makes the
point that, like, why are you. You
know, the system that we have
here is. Is just
so. It's. It's not working.
And. And. And sometimes we have
to take matters into our own hands to. In order to
(17:05):
get actual justice. So, you know,
so. So when Matt was having that back and forth with the, With the
prosecutor about the. About, you know, trying to
knock off days off of Leroy's sentence, he was just
like, look, I mean, come on, really, you gotta, like, do all
this effort for a guy even though he has some
priors, but at the end of the day,
in the grand scheme of things, you know, Matt's, you
(17:27):
know, trying to, you know, within the confines
of plea, bargaining, trying to push back on the system, to be like, look,
let's. Let's just be. Let's have
a. Let's be reasonable here. And
then, of course, there's other, you know, levels that we. That we
see throughout the, episode as well.
>> Sarah (17:46):
Right, right. Yeah, I. I just
like the line, Could it have been a scroll?
>> Will (17:51):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (17:53):
I mean, to go through secret invasion.
That was a great payoff.
>> Will (17:58):
Yeah. Yeah. That. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (18:02):
so. So then, what are some of those other
levels, that you mentioned?
>> Will (18:08):
Yeah, I think like, Kingpin with this
whole, You know,
I think. I think
with how they
are, you know, he's trying to, you know, he's. He
is trying to be
straight now and trying to fix the city.
(18:29):
But he,
He, you know, at the end of the, you know, there's still
this undercurrent of the, you
know, vigilantes and stuff that,
are. That are out there taking the law on their own
own hands as far as, you know, trying to you know,
resolve some of the crime issues that. That the city
(18:50):
still has. So, you know. So.
Yeah. So Kingpin wants to, like, clean up things and do it,
right?
>> Sarah (18:56):
Yeah, but. Yeah, but that's not really his problem right now.
>> Will (19:00):
Not right now. But I'm just saying, for. I'm, just. Yeah, I'm just foreshadowing
issues down the line. Yeah.
>> Sarah (19:04):
Okay.
>> Will (19:05):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (19:06):
So his. His current problem is all of the red tape that
bureaucracy involves and then the mob
bosses, because he has a foot in both worlds.
Same thing with Matt. He's a vigilante.
You can't necessarily just wake up one day and say, I'm
no longer a vigilante. And then at the same
time, he's a lawyer. So, And
(19:27):
often, is def.
Defending council. So,
Yeah. What. Where do we
want to go from there?
what did you think about Fisk and
Vanessa's marriage counseling?
>> Will (19:46):
Yeah, that was very, you know,
very, interesting moment there because it really,
like, got into the depths
of the, you know, the forgiveness,
the infidelity, her, you know, when I was
watching it last night
and, you know, when she was describing,
(20:07):
the, you know, how Adam, Phil and
as far as the, you know, the art and.
And all those kind of things, you know, he was basically
filling a void that, you
know, when Fisk was. Was out of commission,
he was filling that. That void that, you know,
that she was missing. And then now
(20:28):
that Fisk is trying to go
straight, and, you know, there's still
this void because, you know, the man that
she loved
is morphing into something else. So
it's. It's very, like, hard for her
to, you know. You know, to feel
(20:48):
that belonging or feel. Feel that connection with them
anymore. so, you know, so, you know, just seeing
the dynamics between the two of them,
as far as seeing how, you know, she. Seeing how she's
reacting to his new. His
venture, was, you know, was very
interesting to me. And also the other thing, too, that.
That I did, like, about, at the end of
(21:10):
the. Of the one session, whenever,
the counselor acts pissed to step out, and then
they had a, you know, had a discussion
about. Yeah, yeah,
I thought that was. I thought that was a good little moment just to, like,
really, you know, touch on issue of domestic
violence without, you know, in a. In a very
contextual way that wasn't, like, preachy, but like.
(21:33):
But also, like, made the point point. And then, of course, how they followed up
through it later in the episode about how she did not, you know, not
Only did she tell her counselor that she didn't fear
him. But then whenever they were having the discussion
at the table later in the episode, and,
you know, Fisk talking about his father and the things
that he saw, growing up and, and, and
(21:53):
he. He didn't learn forgiveness
and those types of things. It was, you know, it. But at the
same time that he wasn't going to hurt her. you know, I
thought those were. I thought those were really good things they like, you know,
put throughout the episode.
>> Sarah (22:07):
Yeah, Yeah, I, I think you had it backwards,
though, and I think we talked about this last week, that
it's not so much that Fisk is changing,
it's that he left, he comes back,
she's been in control, and.
And took and, Rose to the occasion while he
was gone and really came. And she even
(22:27):
says it in this episode, I'm not woman that you
married. And
he's. I think
he's still grasping with that. And
then the whole forgiveness thing is
really, I found to be very interesting
because that was a very,
like. I almost felt like the whole show paused right
(22:49):
after they said that line, that
forgiveness is. Is like the greatest act
of love because
we know that, like the boiling.
What's boiling beneath. Beneath
Fisk. Yeah, it's this visually empty stuff.
But Vanessa is always number one.
>> Will (23:09):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (23:10):
So it's. It's always like him.
Suddenly he doesn't even have
control over the woman he loves and
is married to and. And
has allowed someone else to come. Come
into their marriage and,
and touch her and, and everything.
(23:31):
So. So that is very
unsettling. and it. And it's
interesting how I
thought that, they did a good job because
we also. His, one of the members
of his staff. Staff up in this
episode, we kind of knew it was bound
to happen with that guy. And,
(23:53):
and then Fisk eventually
immediately calls, calls everyone together
and gives them a lecture
and then demands to know the leak. And. And the
guy, fortunately, is brave enough to say, I'm
the leak. And you do see
forgiveness kind of also
with an undercurrent of a. If you do it again, I
(24:16):
will kill you. Yep,
I will get one.
You only get one. And then to your point,
you fast forward into, Adam being in a
cage. it was weird to me,
though. And yeah, I'm like, I'm
sure he's been down there for a while,
(24:36):
like a very long time. But
it's still the way he kept crying. I was like,
so are they torturing him? Are they going to show us something.
But no, it was just eating dinner while
Adam screams, trying to get let
out. So, so maybe psychosis has
ensued in Adam. But I
(24:57):
think to go back to your point about
the void and the fulfillment, I
found it interesting that Vanessa
specifically said it was his hands.
And why I found that to be interesting is
if you go back and listen to our previous
reviews or even re. Watch the previous
episodes, there has been a
(25:20):
lot of camera shots on
Fisk's Fisk
and transition shots and they've been
bloodied and they've been a bit.
And like, so it's
very interesting that they've put that
in that his hands, Adam's
hands were different. And then you
(25:42):
have this, this foreshadowing
of Fisk of
us, of us getting fed these clues that there
is something that Fisk is hiding.
and, and then we found out what that was. I'm sure
there's more, but.
>> Will (25:58):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (25:59):
So,
I do really like the current
relationship dynamics between Amanda and
Matt. Yeah, just put that out
there. I, I liked.
She, she's not, I, I, I can
appreciate that. We're
four episodes in and they're having the conversation
(26:22):
like, I'm worried about you when you don't come
home. And, but it's still new. So
there's still like this, I don't know if I can say this,
but I'm going to say this. And then he,
even to the best of his
ability, explains to her what's going
on. And it's, and it's interesting because
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he's telling the truth. Like
his, his burdens right now are he,
he was able to get client, proven
innocent, who then immediately ends up dead.
And then another S is serving time at
Rikers for stealing a bag of caramel
popcorn.
>> Will (27:00):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (27:01):
So it's, it, it
was, it's really interesting
that they've been able to
sustain four episodes
now. And yes, I'm aware that there
were at least two or three fight sequences with
Matt's specifically, but
the absence of the mask, the
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absence of, of that
Persona. And so my
big takeaway from this episode
was really, I would describe it and I'm,
I think some people could say it's filler. I'm not going to use
that word.
>> Will (27:38):
No, no.
>> Sarah (27:39):
I, I would give the description of,
Think about a, a, a tea
kettle that is, that is
starting to boil. Like the water is
boiling and you're hearing that sound like
on. And it's on both sides. Yeah, on,
Fisk and It's on Matt. Like their
nature. They're being pushed to a
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point where they have to go
back. They're going to have to go back on the
promise that they made each other in the first
episode.
>> Will (28:12):
For sure. Yeah. Anybody who says that this episode
was, was a filler. Yeah, that's
just, that's just there. I don't know
what, what episode they watch because to your point, I
mean things. The plot is progressing
forward.
And you're right. I mean it is,
you know, it is simmering and you know, and, and their true
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natures, Fisk and, and Matt's
natures are, you know,
even though they made the promise to one another, they're trying
to like, do different, you know, do
different things to as far as, you
know, Fisk being mayor and trying
to, you know, build the city and build this port and you know,
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do. Do all the Merrell things. Even to the
point of, you know, we
built this city.
>> Sarah (29:01):
Oh my God.
>> Will (29:02):
I thought about paradise. Yeah.
>> Sarah (29:05):
Did you, did you hear
this? This is the best behind the scenes
thing, that I've heard all week.
>> Will (29:12):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (29:13):
they had to refilm that.
>> Will (29:15):
Yes, I heard that.
>> Sarah (29:16):
Because the kids were too good.
>> Will (29:17):
Too good. Yes, I heard about that. I did.
>> Sarah (29:22):
But it was such a good payoff of then going to the
lot Lavatnia thing and,
and having to hear it again in a different language.
And, and the fact that I love that piece of
dialogue thread though, that it's mentioned early on
in the episode by Matt that it's
lovotny history day.
>> Will (29:41):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (29:41):
All this stuff, it's just. I was just like, oh
my God, that's, that's so good.
>> Will (29:47):
Yeah, it was so good. stuck
together with the prosecutor. Yeah, with that. Yeah, that
was great. And I couldn't help but think about paradise whenever I
started here because you know, that was
you know, the president, you know, had that on his
mixtape.
>> Sarah (30:05):
I, I did not make that connection.
>> Will (30:08):
Yeah. But well, yeah, but then hearing it like that and
then hearing it twice in this episode. Yeah, it was, it was
pretty funny. But Yeah, but you know,
but seeing that and then like you said, but
then the juxtaposition of fist doing, you know, trying to
do all, you know. But then of course the fist that we
know, you know, has Adam locked up and
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you know.
>> Sarah (30:30):
Well, yeah, yeah, the, the, the, the
kingpin of it all is
like Adams in a cell. Yeah, but,
but it is interest interesting in this
episode that we follow Fisk.
We Conti are Continuing to follow Fisk on
this very m. Mayor. Like, I'm
waiting for him to kill that. That, I
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want Sheila.
>> Will (30:53):
Yeah. Sheila.
>> Sarah (30:54):
Yeah. Because. Because I always feel
like it gets a point. And then he. He
just like him forgiving the staffer in this
episode with Sheila, he.
He. He looks at her and is like, you know what?
In my previous life, I would have just shot
you. Yeah, but. But I need
you. Like, Like that is
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something. He needs her
because she. She knows the game
there that he is now playing, and he has not a
clue. And he makes that abundantly clear.
>> Will (31:27):
He makes it very clear.
>> Sarah (31:29):
But he also has a good point. It's like,
you can't keep giving me all these problems.
Like, let. Tell me what the first step
is and we'll do that.
>> Will (31:40):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (31:40):
which. I don't know why you. Why. Why he would have
to say that. I mean, it was. I was like, just tell him what he
has to do. But.
>> Will (31:47):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (31:48):
What were you gonna say?
>> Will (31:49):
No, no, I think that's exactly what I was. I was gonna go with
about Sheila. It's just like, you know, whatever.
Whenever he cleared the room and, you know, I
was really expecting that moment of him, like, you know,
was losing it and. And taking them both out, but.
But again, he. He pulls it back. But also,
you know, I think it, You know, I think it,
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you know, looking at Fisk and, you know, in the
gray suit that he's wearing all the time, he's always wearing
gray. And it's really like, you know, there's a lot of visual cues
that they're doing in the show, like, like, you know, the
wardrobe and. And, and also, like
the food. Like, whenever. Whenever he's making a
point about something in the. In the Kingpin esque
way, you know, whenever, you know,
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whenever he's trying to be m. The m. Mayor
Fisk, he's having, like, light, like,
lighter fare. But then whenever, like in the first
couple episodes, you know, there's a second. I think it was episode two with the
police officer, with the. With the sandwich. And
then. And then this when sitting there
eating with. When that was in the room
there with Adam, a very heavy,
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you know, mill. And it was just very visceral and it's
just, you know, heavy. And it was.
You know, it. It just really like adds. You
know, there's like those visual clues and
things and set pieces that they were doing in the show that just really
set the mood. or. Or like you say, with
the writing too, like, with the being Latvia and
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you know, Independence Day or whatever. And you
know, the prosecutor happens to, you know, that's their
ethnicity and then you know, he goes to the, you know, to the
celebration. So I mean there's just so many things I like that
I'm really enjoying about this show that it's
just very well written and well, well well edited.
Because other thing, you know, as far as the
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scenes that they had with that
with Frank and, and and Matt were actually
supposed to be later in the series,
but they actually decided to pull it forward to, to
this episode to, to really, to your
point, show the, the, the
simmering kettle. you
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know, that, that is, that is, that is building up. especially
the way that Frank, you know, really needle
Matt, whenever Matt went to, you know,
sold him out after finding the, the shell casing.
>> Sarah (34:08):
Yeah. Yeah.
I, I will admit it kind of was abrupt to me
that we got Frank in this episode. Episode.
So it actually makes sense that originally they had
planned it for a later episode. Okay. That's why
it kind of stuck out where I'm like really we're going here.
And also like, like
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there, there just was something about. I can't, I
can't put my finger on what it was. But
I mean I enjoyed the scene. It's
classic Matt and Frank dialogue.
but I, I also, it
just, it felt, I don't know, there's something
about it that made me think it was a little out of
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place.
>> Will (34:53):
yeah, apparently. Yeah. And apparently too,
they, they did do some ADRs
and, and and and did do some reshoots
to whenever they did pull it
forward in, in the show. so
that, that, that was, that was also part of
the, you know, bringing it forward
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at this juncture in the series.
>> Sarah (35:16):
Yeah, yeah. And then we, we're just continuing
to get teased Muse
as that also continues to just
start to bubble over whatever
means M. As planned. so we will have
two episodes of Daredevil to talk about
next week. and
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now we're gonna move on to wrap up
Invincible Season 3 with I
thought you never shut up. And
the IMDb synopsis is. With the world
still reeling, a dangerous stranger arrives,
testing Mark to his limits. And beyond that
stranger being Jeffrey Dean Morgan as
conquest. I have his opening
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line of I enjoy this. There's no greater
pleasure than the feel of hm, my fist drenched in your
blood.
And And essentially we got Chicago part two.
>> Will (36:13):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (36:17):
I, I will admit. And, and I
don't think this should be a surprise to anyone. I
was not engaged in, like,
for majority of this episode just because the. The.
The action, it never really does that much for
me. I like the verbal,
exchanges, and there was parts of
that, And then we also know I've.
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I'm not. I think I'm
starting to get there, and I think I will be there
for season four. But the Eve and Mark
stuff, it just was a very weird
way for. It felt way too
rushed this season, so even.
And then we have the whole fake out of Eve's
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dead. Oh, no, she's not. And I'm like, okay,
guys, what are we doing with stakes here? What's going
on?
>> Will (37:06):
So that, you know, that's a. With the Eve
thing. That's a call back to the, the
Adam Eve,
solo.
>> Sarah (37:16):
Yeah, so the special.
>> Will (37:18):
The special, yeah. Yeah. So with that, With. With.
With her powers and I guess the mental block that they had put on
to her, that she could only do it whenever she was just
like, you know, you know, super,
super, you know,
distressed or whatever.
>> Sarah (37:33):
So.
>> Will (37:33):
Yeah, so, I mean, I hear you. I mean, I know you're. I know
it's been a thing.
Growing thing for you as far as just,
you know, their relationship and. And it's still
feeling. It's a bit rushed, as far
as, you know, coming on, getting on board with it. But I mean,
you know, I do. I guess they. I guess, you know, thinking about
like, the whole, like, lightning rod concept, for
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example, you know, with the Flash or,
you know, Clark and Lois. So, I mean, I guess this is, you know, since
they do pull these
things from the Marvel and dc, you know,
archetypes, you know, in. In this show, and they make
it their own, you know, so I guess, you know, even. And
Marker is that same kind of lightning rod concept
with one another to be that
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homie. Beacon. Beacon for. For the two of them, you know, for the.
>> Sarah (38:21):
Yeah, they should have just written it better for the
screen, in my opinion. And that's completely
my opinion. So.
>> Will (38:27):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I hear you. Yeah, yeah, it's
fair. It's fair. Yeah. But I hear you about
the. The. The. The. The fights
and. And all. I mean, it did get to a point
where. Loses
its impact in some regard in some
way, you know, just because. And I
know Conquest.
>> Sarah (38:49):
Sorry. Sorry to cut you off, but conquest just kept.
Also, it's interesting because it wasn't
a Chicago felt more
like good 20 minutes of just action.
Right.
>> Will (39:00):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (39:01):
Between father and son. So they had that
going Conquest. It felt like,
okay, he's gonna start to beat up Mark.
And then, oh no, Oliver's here. And then we
get a monologue from Conquest.
And then we start fighting again.
And then we get. Eve's here. Then we get a
monologue from Conquest. And there were so, so many
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monologues. I was just like,
you're, you're gonna, he's. Mark's
gonna win eventually because you're
too busy talking all of the
goddamn time. Like,
oh my God. And then, and then you have that
moment where at the end he's
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like, to tell you the truth, I'm really lonely
and all this stuff. And it's just,
I don't, I don't really care. This is first time I'm meeting
Conquest. Why do I care if he's lonely or
anything? I did. And, and at that
point I was like, you go Mark. Yeah. Smash his
head in. Because. Yeah. I thought you
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never shut up.
>> Will (40:08):
Yeah. So the title, the title worked. I
mean, it does work.
Yeah. Because I felt that. I felt that same way
too when he finally, like, you know, I did. Like, I did.
That will do. we'll say. I did appreciate
that, that, that last little soliloquy
that Conquest had as far as, you know, all.
With all the, you know, good at what I do and all the
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viltrumites, you know, I'm lonely. I'm a, victim
of my own success. I did like that moment. Ah. I will
say, because it just, it was like
that. It was, it was, it
was trying to like, instead of him just being an evil
mustache twirling villain. He was,
he was. But, but it was still trying. It was
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also trying to like, maybe elicit
some sympathy for him
or. I don't know if sympathy is the right word or it was just trying to
like,
>> Sarah (41:03):
I think, I think the villain is not
necessarily what one person. I think the
villain overall the greatest,
the biggest enemy of Mark is his
vulture mite side.
>> Will (41:16):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (41:17):
And so we're meeting because we've met a few
voltamites now and each time
markets his ass kicked to an extent.
And, and this one was
talking about the loneliness because
he's now come across how Mark
has Oliver and
Eve and like to. To
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envy that. And Nolan even says at,
the. At the start, like I. He has that classic
line at the beginning of the season to Alan,
like, I think I miss my wife.
>> Will (41:48):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (41:49):
Like that's the appealing thing
about this race and arguably other races
too, AKA Oliver.
But. But there's that that sense of
belonging and that partnership and that
friendship that even conquest isn't
getting. But then again, the society that he was
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brought up in as a vulture mite,
like you didn't need that because he had
purpose.
>> Will (42:15):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (42:15):
And so it was. I think it was
more like what they're doing with any
vulture mite that we've encountered other than
Nolan and Mark, is that is
really showing why
Nolan acted the way he did in
season one.
>> Will (42:33):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (42:34):
And made the choices he made and how
it is because of this, this society. And
I think the, an undercurrent of that also that
loneliness goes back to, I don't know,
three episodes ago, the last time we saw Alan and
Nolan. Whereas Nolan reveals
there's only 50 full blooded
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vulture mites. Well, now there's 49.
Well, kind of. Because Cecilia, of
course we knew Cecil wasn't gonna burn the body.
No, there's no way in hell. I also don't know
if his plan's gonna work, but we'll see.
like. Like, I, I think as a season
finale this did a good job.
>> Will (43:16):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (43:17):
Because I don't. I, I think. I think
pulling Nolan and Alan back into
it this late in the game
would be too much. And so I, I like the idea
that they. We really wanted
to. It's interesting
though how, Mark has
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now killed. Well, kind of. But
he, he, like, he keeps killing people. And
he makes a very big declaration in this
episode that if anybody
threatens my family or hurts the people I
love, I will kill you.
>> Will (43:52):
Yeah. Yeah. After. Yeah.
I mean, after the whole conversation that he and Oliver have
had, you know, beginning of the
season, why, you know, Oliver questioned why don't we kill? And
now Mark has grow, you know, after
all of this.
>> Sarah (44:08):
Yeah.
>> Will (44:08):
He finally is like, okay, it. I'm,
They're dead, you know. Yeah. So
I guess.
>> Sarah (44:17):
Yeah. Yeah. Of Angstrom is
still technically alive.
>> Will (44:21):
Yeah. And we see him technically.
>> Sarah (44:24):
Yeah, alive. So Mark hasn't really
killed anyone. Like there's been casualties
in this. Obviously. I'm
sure we'll hear about the civilians that died
during Conquest Mark fight and then
everyone who died in Chicago.
Like he's partly responsible for that as well,
(44:45):
unfortunately. but. But
yeah. So I think that that's how they kind of
get away with like this still being a hero.
or Mark still not fully
going to the dark side in the viewer's mind. Is
that his quote unquote deaths
or kills are actually
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like null.
>> Will (45:09):
Yeah, there's always like. Yeah, there's always, either
A technician to pull Angstrom away, which I'm. The whole
Angstrom thing. Speaking of, like,
I'm kind of over. I think right now.
I'm. They need to, like, put him on the back.
>> Sarah (45:24):
Yeah.
>> Will (45:24):
Shelf for. For a minute. Yeah, yeah,
I, Yeah, yeah,
yeah, exactly. Exactly.
>> Sarah (45:34):
I mean, it's. It's a thread. Like, you can't
keep pulling that. Like,
like, what's the point at this? Like, eventually
that thread has to get tied. Right.
Like.
>> Will (45:46):
Yeah, yeah. What thread? Yeah, one.
One thread that I thought
they. With. They did
close, with. With Rex and.
And the funeral. And. And, you know, I
did. I did, like,
how they had to pro. The eulogy
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and. And. And, robot,
talking about Rex and how, you know, he's taking on the name now.
And, you know, it was like, a nice way to honor Rex. And then, of course,
when Eve did try to talk about him and,
you, know, she couldn't. She was overcome. but then whenever she
and Mark, you know, had their conversation about
Rex and how, you know, it just
(46:27):
really drove home the point. How it shows his character has
grown and changed and, And the impact that he had
on. On. On. On the, Guardians.
>> Sarah (46:35):
Yeah. the.
The other, like, little nugget that they
put in there besides, What was his name?
Wild beast or beast master?
The Allen. Allen who
helped Alan.
>> Will (46:51):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (46:52):
We see. We see him. Who gets. He.
He gets picked up very Guardians of the
Galaxy style. and then
there's this whole demon and the
Dark Lord.
>> Will (47:05):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (47:06):
Thing. Now, has that been teased?
Yeah, it has, it has. I feel. I was like.
>> Will (47:11):
I. I think it was like either season
one or two. I want to say it's been a while that,
whenever. Last time we saw the.
>> Sarah (47:19):
Okay.
>> Will (47:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah,
it's been there before.
>> Sarah (47:24):
Are they on a different planet or are they on Earth?
>> Will (47:27):
Yeah, I believe they're on Earth.
>> Sarah (47:28):
Okay, okay. Okay. So. So
there's also that and. And the plan
to tie the Dark Lord to Mark.
which. Which. Yeah.
interesting. But. But those. Those were the teas.
We really didn't get any in Nolan or Alan. Tease
teas. we've had enough of them for this season. We know
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what's going on there. But, Yeah,
I think that is it for. For
Invincible season three. We. We got around
to it a lot quicker.
>> Will (48:00):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it helps that they didn't have some
crazy focus breaks this time.
>> Sarah (48:06):
Oh, great.
>> Will (48:07):
The season was much better too.
>> Sarah (48:09):
Yeah. And. And what? We only watched season two
In January. Yeah, yeah. You
know, you know, a part of it is, is we
shorten that break for ourselves.
and then last but not least, we
are starting to, watch your friendly
neighborhood Spider Man. We are covering
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episodes one and two tonight.
yeah, this, the, the first
episode called Amazing Fantasy, and
described as during high school orientation,
Peter's life is changed forever and a new era
of Spider man begins.
(48:49):
So for some reason I didn't
expect the first episode to really be about
him getting the powers. And
then I was also pleasantly surprised that
they did. Like we see, we see
Dr. Strange and then the spider comes
through and, and that's how in
(49:09):
this, in this universe we, we
meet, Peter, or we,
we see Peter become Spider Man.
to an extent. There is a, there is a,
a few months later.
But, but what did you think about this,
introduction and this start.
>> Will (49:30):
Yeah, you know, it's, it's definitely, I
liked that they tweaked
the radioactive spider,
origin with this, with this
episode. and also it was just, you know,
I, I did not know what to expect going
into this show. You know, I know, you know, it's going to be high school
(49:51):
years and stuff. I had really no expectations
and but I was, you know,
I, I, it was, it, I enjoyed it. You know,
I think they did a, they were doing, they were doing some
swaps as far as, some of the characters.
ah, you know, we, as far as gender swap or
race swaps with, with some like, with in
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the episode, which I didn't have a problem with.
I just, I just, it was just, you know, it's making it very clear
that this is in a universe outside
of, you know, you know, since we are in a
multiverse saga right now, this is just making
it establishing at the outset that this,
this, this version of Spider man and
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Peter Parker are in, in, in, in a
different universe. And you know, and,
and you know, so I was like, this is pretty cool. and you know, but there also
brought some elements, that we've seen from some of
the more recent iterations, live action iterations of the character
like a younger Aunt May.
and and then we just, you know, we get introduced
(50:53):
to, introduced to some new characters. I mean, at least for
me. Newer characters, like, his friend that, he
met. Nico. Yeah, they met at the school.
yeah. So. Yeah. So, you know, so we're
expanding his friendships beyond just the usual
folks that we're, we're familiar with. So I,
you know, I Felt these. These first two episodes
were. Were pretty engaging for me.
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And, I'm like, okay, let's. Let's see where this goes.
>> Sarah (51:19):
Yeah, I. I guess. the
second episode is called the Peter Luck, and it's.
Peter begins an extra, an inclusive,
exclusive internship, but his first day is
m. Is way more complicated than he expected.
Yeah. but to go back to the first
episode, I just love
how, like, to your point, this is a clearly a
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different universe, a different version.
However, like, it still is
crazy how. How
Spidey and Peter
Parker specifically, it is
different, but it's so familiar.
Like. Like it's. It's walking a line of
nostalgia.
>> Will (52:01):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (52:02):
You know, and where you see the differences
and then you see the nods to, like, this
is also a story being
told.
>> Will (52:12):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (52:13):
Post end game.
>> Will (52:14):
Yeah, for sure.
>> Sarah (52:15):
The Iron man reference. Like, you see little things
and then the fact that the
introduction to Norman
is done in a very
deliberate way to. To
mirror when we meet Spidey in
the MCU back in Civil War.
Like, and then you just
(52:37):
exchange one.
One kind of, one good guy for a bad guy,
you know, And. And I
also did not know this, but the. The
actor who voices Norman is.
Is, Coleman.
>> Will (52:54):
Yeah, I did know that. Yeah, I did know that. Yeah.
>> Sarah (52:57):
Yeah. Which I was like, oh, that's great. That's cool.
And I do have to say. And I looked this up
because I was like, who is voicing
Peter? it's a really nice voice.
And I. And then I saw it's the same
actor who voiced him in what. What if.
>> Will (53:13):
Ah.
>> Sarah (53:14):
It wasn't Tom Holland in that episode. It.
It was, this. And I'm sorry I didn't write the name down,
but, shouts out to him because I think he
is doing a really good job. He's
not overly annoying and
whiny.
so. So I think that. I think these
two episodes really. I'm
(53:36):
glad we watched them back to back because I think it
was just like, just setting them the
scene, setting meeting the characters
and a lot of bait and switches. Like, I
mean, you get the Norman bait and switch
in the first episode, and then in the second
episode, we h. We are
introduced to the other
(53:58):
character, the foot. The quarterback.
Who. What's quarterback's name?
>> Will (54:03):
Yeah, Lonnie.
>> Sarah (54:04):
Lonnie. Lonnie. It's kind of introduced
him in the first episode. But I.
I thought it was interesting when we
part ways after school with Peter
and Lonnie, and the camera doesn't follow
Peter home camera follows Lonnie. Home.
>> Will (54:21):
Yep.
>> Sarah (54:22):
And. And I don't know where this is headed,
but I. I, was like, okay,
we're. They're. They're gonna do something with Lonnie.
Like, I. For some reason, I'm getting prowler
vibes, but I don't know if. If that's going to be
correct, so.
>> Will (54:38):
Yeah. Yeah, I was. I was thinking that, too.
That. Or something tragic was going to happen to him.
>> Sarah (54:44):
Yeah.
>> Will (54:45):
Yeah, just given. Given his, you know, he goes, you
know, he's. He wasn't, you know, the Flash
Thompson dumb jock. He was more, you know, he's,
you know, this dude. You know, he and Peter, like, started,
you know, because, you know, originally Peter had a big crush
on his babysitter.
>> Sarah (55:01):
Yeah.
>> Will (55:02):
And then, you know, then they end up having, You know,
he. Lonnie wants Peter to be his lab partner because he's. He's
as big as nerd as Peter is, and they just start
geeking out and, you know, oversight.
>> Sarah (55:13):
I don't think that's true. Yeah,
I think. I think Lonnie. Lonnie wants to
learn. Like, Lonnie, he's not a
dumb jock.
>> Will (55:22):
I mean, he can't.
>> Sarah (55:23):
Yeah, no, no, he's not a dumb jock by any.
Any means. That's what I'm saying. I. I just don't think
anyone's as big as a nerd as Peter.
>> Will (55:30):
No. Well, no, true. Fair point. Fair point,
Fair point. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (55:34):
I mean, he. He has some competition with these
other Osborne, interns,
especially Asha from Wakanda, which I was
like, this is great.
I. I like that name drop.
he gets assigned to work with Dr. Connors, who.
Yeah, and it's a gender swap that they did, which
(55:56):
was very, very interesting. And there's
even the mention that, Dr. Connors is
leading the energy division, which is in somewhat
of a competition with Stark Industries.
Yeah, yeah, I,
like, I. I was
pleased, more than anything
else. I mean, this is so far, very paint by
(56:18):
number. But at the same time, this.
I, It didn't. It didn't necessarily
exceed expectations. It met. Met them
more or less. And. And
I was just. I was. I was like, okay,
okay. We're. They're. They're. They're. They're
telling a story. We know, but they are
(56:38):
telling it in some different ways.
>> Will (56:41):
Yeah. And also. Also, like with the second
episode, too, they, you know, they also, show the
challenges of Peter trying to juggle being a
teenager and, you know, doing the lab work
and also trying to be a superhero because you know, they were
invited to the party and, you know, Nico,
he was supposed to join her at, you know, after the
football game, but then, you know, then he ends up
(57:03):
having to, you know, the. The
arsonist, like, you know, does this thing. And so he's having
to, like, you know, you
know, he goes in a superhero mode and, you know, we have, you know,
rescuing animals in the pet shop and everything
else. you know, when he's dealing with,
Not Pyro, but, What was the name of the,
(57:25):
the arsonist?
>> Sarah (57:26):
I. I just call him the Arsonist.
>> Will (57:28):
Yeah, I can't remember his name, but, But yeah, so, you know, he's always, you
know, so I like, you know, so they were really showing the whole
360 of, like, what Peter Parker's life
is like right now.
>> Sarah (57:38):
Which. Which you can expect from a Spider man.
>> Will (57:40):
Yeah, yeah, but I'm. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.
>> Sarah (57:45):
and then. And I think we're just gonna cover
two episodes next week as well.
and. And our goal is to finish up,
the. Your friendly neighborhood Spider man
before. For last of us. And,
we should be, good to go
there. So. So it. If, if
(58:08):
you've seen it, then, then always come
back in as we share our thoughts about it.
And if you haven't, maybe you will also,
want to. Want to get a bit of nostalgia about
this beloved character, and his,
and this version of his origin.
(58:29):
All right, well, on that note, Will, why don't you tell our
listeners where they can find you?
>> Will (58:33):
Yes, you can find me at, Will and Polk on all the
socials at W I L L M P.
>> Sarah (58:39):
O L K. And you can find me there too at SJ
Belmont, sjblm O N T. Please follow our
crew on X, formerly known as Twitter, @Cena, nerd
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