January 7, 2025 • 53 mins
Hey there, nerdy friends! Our dynamaic duo, Sarah Belmont and Will Polk, are back in action, ringing in 2025 with all things Golden Globes and entertainment gossip. From Nikki Glaser's monologue that played it safe but still hit the mark, to the juicy rumor mill churning about Tom Holland and Zendaya's possible engagement, they've got the award season scoop you crave. Plus, they're buzzing about Shogun's big wins and Colin Farrell's expected triumph for Penguin.
During their TV talk, Sarah and Will dish on their holiday binge-watching, including a love-it-or-hate-it take on What If Season 3. They're also hyped about upcoming releases like The Last of Us 2, Andor Season 2, and Daredevil, with April promising a killer lineup. And of course, they can't resist chatting about the latest K-dramas and the ever-evolving MCU.
Looking ahead, our hosts tease a look back at 2024 with chats about Invincible Season 2 and the final showdown of Cobra Kai. They're also gearing up for the epic clash between Fantastic Four and Superman, and they're calling on you to come up with some clever mashup names for this cinematic face-off.
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>> Sarah (00:00):
Greetings, Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd I'm your host, Sarah
Belmont. M. And with me, as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are
you doing tonight, Will?
>> Will (00:07):
Doing very well, Sarah. Happy, New Year. I know it's the 7th,
but, this first time we've actually. I know we've texted and stuff, but
first time we've actually talked. So Happy new year.
>> Sarah (00:15):
Happy 2025.
>> Will (00:18):
Yes, yes, it is, indeed.
>> Sarah (00:21):
It is. It is kicking off and
things are happening. I mean, the Golden Globes
were held.
>> Will (00:28):
Yeah. All time for a change. I think they're
finally. I think award season is back on track.
>> Sarah (00:34):
Well, I don't. Yeah, yeah,
time wise. Time wise. They still make some
very weird choices with this stuff.
I did watch, Nikki
Glaser's, full opening monologue, and I thought
it was good. Okay, Good, decent.
Like, I wasn't, like, over, like, blown away,
(00:54):
but she played it safe. She definitely played
it safe with a lot of the stuff, but she also.
It wasn't boring either.
So, and then I watched Sebastian
Stan's acceptance speech. I watched
Demi Moore's acceptance speech.
and that was about it, I think, of the acceptance
speeches, and I just. I then found
(01:17):
myself in this tunnel of Antony
Mackie stalking Sebastian
just to make sure that Everybody knows their
BFFs. I mean, no, we saw
the Civil War press tour. Okay, we
know.
>> Will (01:31):
Yep. Civil War. We saw the Falcon and
Winter Soldier press tour. As much as they could do it, given
the time. Yeah, I guess it was. I guess it was removed
at that point. But, yeah, we saw it all. So,
Yeah, I, Yeah, I, you know, I agree with you.
I did not see Nikki's, opening monologue, but I did see
where it was very well received and they were thinking about
(01:51):
bringing her back again for. For a host. The last time
I saw her do a bit was the, Tom Brady roast,
but, Which was, which was pretty fun. But, Yeah,
yeah.
>> Sarah (02:01):
And I also. I think the funny thing
is the biggest news to come out
of the Golden Globes is
really the fact that everyone.
It's. It's kind of confirmed, but
from my understanding, it's not confirmed by either one of them, but
that Tom Holland and Zendaya are engaged, so.
>> Will (02:21):
Yeah. Yeah, I thought you were going to say the Vin
Diesel. Hey, Dwayne.
>> Sarah (02:26):
No, that was such, like, a small
thing that. I mean, I mean,
Zendaya.
>> Will (02:34):
I know. I'm just giving it heart. I'm just messing with
you.
>> Sarah (02:37):
Yeah, yeah. No, no, yeah,
yeah. Not, So. So, yeah,
and. And
I mean, anything about anybody who
won?
>> Will (02:49):
No, I mean, Shogun, which, you know, give
me my opportunity to, like, you know, remind everyone that that was my
number one show for. For the year of
2024. one in every
category was nominated for, so one,
drama, Anna Sawai, one actress.
Hiroki Sonata won the, actor.
And, Thando, Asano
(03:10):
won for, supporting for Jabba Shuge. So,
>> Sarah (03:13):
Yeah, yeah, I saw that, and I was like, well, at least my
guy got something. He should have got an Emmy. He should have got an
Emmy. He didn't. But.
>> Will (03:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And of course, Colin Farrell, for Penguin
with the Limited Action. Limited, series anthology
category. So, which was, I think, pretty much
as expected.
>> Sarah (03:30):
Yeah, yeah, there. There. There was. There was no
way. Did Christina get it for.
>> Will (03:36):
No, she did not.
>> Sarah (03:38):
Okay.
>> Will (03:38):
She did not. I can't remember who won in that category. I don't have the list
in front of me right now.
>> Sarah (03:43):
The list. But this is just organized in a very. Oh,
Jodie Foster won it for True Detective.
>> Will (03:48):
That's right. That's right.
>> Sarah (03:50):
That's hilarious.
>> Will (03:52):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (03:54):
that's so sad. But Penguin and.
Yeah, yeah,
yeah. But it was.
It's funny to me. I will admit I forgot to
mention how I watched Kieran Cold Gins,
too. But for some reason, the clip I watched,
because there's no way I'm watching the full, full thing. I'm
watching clips. People I watched didn't
(04:16):
really have, like, the announcement. It just showed him getting
up there. So I didn't really.
This is hilarious. This is how much I pay attention,
people. I was like,
succession has been gone for a while.
I mean, and then.
And then it dawned on me, like, within the
(04:38):
first 10 seconds, because he. He does thank
Jesse Eisenberg that it was, for the movie, a real
pain. But I was just. I
just. He's somebody, too,
who, He did the actors on
Actors, studio thing with,
Cole. Oh, my God. I'm blanking
on his name. I want to say it's
(05:00):
Coleman.
>> Will (05:01):
Oh, Colman. Domingo.
>> Sarah (05:02):
Domingo. Yeah. Yeah, those
two. Wow. That.
That was very entertaining to watch. It's one of the
better of the actors on
Actors, because
Kieran will literally say whatever he wants.
And. And, And Domingo is
(05:23):
clearly amused.
Clearly. Just. Just. And
also very inquisitive.
>> Will (05:31):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (05:31):
So. So you have somebody who likes to ask questions
and can ask some really good ones, and then you
have someone who could, say,
could just takes the question
and turns it into something else. And
then you go into a con. Like, it's a great
pairing,
between. Between two people. Like,
(05:54):
really good. like. Like there's
Sebastian, Stan and Antony Mackie
chemistry. This is something different.
>> Will (06:02):
Okay.
>> Sarah (06:03):
But still good. But still for
very different reasons. So.
>> Will (06:08):
Cool. Cool. Yeah, I'll check that one out.
>> Sarah (06:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was. I was
at least entertained by it. And he just.
Every now and then, you just forget how long Kieran has been
in the industry.
>> Will (06:21):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (06:22):
I mean, every now and then I think about the movies from
my childhood that he was starring in as, like, a
teenager, and I'm like, that's the same kid who
grew up to be. To play on
succession. That's not weird at all.
Oh, man. all right,
substance didn't win, right?
>> Will (06:43):
it did not. But obviously Demi,
won her first award for any category.
>> Sarah (06:51):
Okay. Amelia Perez won. Yeah, that's
right. Got it. Okay.
>> Will (06:55):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (06:56):
And that's a Netflix movie. Okay.
>> Will (06:58):
Yeah, that's Netflix movie. Wicked one. The, best,
Box office M
award that, I guess it's like the pop culture
award because it has, like, all the, like, hot,
big box office movies and stuff. Even though. Even
though Wicked was that.
>> Sarah (07:15):
Yeah. It's basically the People's Choice
Award for Best Picture
overall. Yeah, we'll
see. I mean, I used to think that
the golden, Globes were strong indicators,
and to an extent, they are. But lately I
feel as though in the most recent years, there's always, like, one
or two of the major categories that Oscars
(07:38):
like to be like. Well, you didn't see this one coming.
>> Will (07:41):
Yeah, I think the Screen Actors Guild is probably a
better barometer these days than Golden
Globes. as far as what, what's going to
possibly win in the Oscar race.
>> Sarah (07:53):
Yeah.
a show that we will definitely be talking about come
awards season. This year will be
The Last of Us 2, which, has come out with
another teaser trailer
advertisement campaign that I'm refusing to
watch because I don't know anything. I already know too
much. but we are getting closer
(08:15):
to know when it's officially coming back. As we know
it will be back in the month of April.
>> Will (08:21):
Yeah. Yeah, I was, I did watch it because I did not
watch the first teaser trailer. So
this one was got. I mean, obviously
I'm gonna watch this series. It just got me. I'm
already excited for it. It was. But. But to see
Abby and, some of the other
parts of what was in that teaser trailer
(08:41):
definitely, was like. Okay, I.
We. Now we know because we knew it was coming back at some
point. first part of the year for first
quarter or so. And. And so we get it. And then, of
course, then I start, like, looking at the calendar is trying to figure out, like,
what. Well, for two reasons. One, to see
what possible Sunday night it's going to drop.
(09:02):
And then. And it was because I was starting
to look at our show schedule and start to plan,
like, when we're going to, like, talk about it. And,
so I think I've determined based
on that, because I think the White Lotus is
dropping next, month. And
so I think the last episode of the White Lotus goes to
first weekend, first Sunday of April. So
(09:24):
hopefully we'll get The Last of Us Part 2, Season
2. you know, either
that following week or the week after.
>> Sarah (09:33):
Yeah.
>> Will (09:33):
Is my fault.
>> Sarah (09:34):
So April is going to be a good month
because, granted, it'll be a busy month, and we'll be
struggling because we got Last of
Us 2 and. Andor season 2,
so.
>> Will (09:46):
And Daredevil.
>> Sarah (09:49):
I forgot about Daredevil.
>> Will (09:50):
Yeah. Comes in March. Yeah. Because I know. I was looking at
this. I was looking at her. Yeah. So we get a little pre.
A little early preview of our. Of our show for
the year. and so I was like, oh, yeah,
March 5th, I believe, is when Daredevil drops. So.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (10:06):
Oh. Ah, that won't be too bad.
>> Will (10:08):
Yeah, so. But it's like. Yeah, so it's like,
nine episodes, I want to say. So.
>> Sarah (10:14):
Yeah, yeah, we'll. We'll figure out something.
We'll make it work.
>> Will (10:18):
Yeah, we definitely will.
>> Sarah (10:20):
We have to put a, Daredevil on hold. So
it is what it is. because there are
shows, like, There are shows I don't want to be
spoiled on. Yes.
Will were to tell me, sarah, you can't watch Last of
Us, like, next episode. I'd be like, no, I'm gonna
watch it.
>> Will (10:39):
Yeah, well, it's like Last of Us just, you
know. Yeah, that. That takes. That's. That's. That
gets slot number one.
>> Sarah (10:46):
Yeah. Yeah. Because there's no way in hell
I already know too much. So I don't want anything
else to be spoiled. I want to live in the moment.
>> Will (10:55):
Exactly.
>> Sarah (10:56):
Oh, my God. like, don't make me. Don't make
me bring out episode three of
succession.
I watched it, and
now if Will were to ever watch
that. That show, that episode not
have the same effect. Not
to this day.
>> Will (11:16):
You know what? I did watch it, and you're right. It does not have the same
effect.
>> Sarah (11:20):
Oh, no, there's no way it could have.
There's no way. But anybody
who was there for that night and had
no idea, my God. That's the
only thing you talk about coming out.
Wow. Wow. Wow.
Yeah.
>> Will (11:38):
for sure, for sure. Yep. Yeah, you're
completely right. So,
>> Sarah (11:42):
Yeah. Yeah.
And I mean, we were talking before we
turned on the recording device and just
about how we went into a little bit
of a hiatus, a kind of a shorter hiatus
because we had to wrap up Dune Prophecy.
but we. We thought we were going
(12:03):
to watch a few different shows and neither one of us
watched anything.
>> Will (12:07):
Yep.
>> Sarah (12:08):
Really? We watched one of season three, which we'll
talk about for like five minutes. But
I just. I find it. I find it
humorous. Like, it. It does
say a lot. Because I'll. I'll be honest,
I really enjoyed Dune Season 2,
but I did not think about it a single time while
(12:30):
during break.
>> Will (12:31):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (12:32):
Not a single time. Not a. No,
never. Like, it was. It was gone. I
didn't. It was just. It was gone. And
I'm only bringing it up now because
I'm curious if A,
you did and if B,
now having some space. M.
(12:53):
Considering it wrapped. We had to wrap it up
after we gave our top shows.
Yeah. Does that show impact your
ranking at all?
>> Will (13:04):
first question. I did think about it some
because, we did have some folks comment on our, YouTube
page, about the show, some of our reviews. So I
did. So I did think about it from that respect. And also
one, one commenter did remind us that the, the,
Harkovins little spy device
that was given to,
(13:26):
Yeah, heroines. Yeah. His advice was given to,
Oh, gosh, I'm blanking on his name now.
the manipulator, the. The. The. The. The hybrid
guy. But that, that the Harkenman's in. The,
Atreides kid.
>> Sarah (13:45):
Yeah, that guy. I know who.
>> Will (13:46):
That guy. Yeah, that guy. Yeah, yeah, that guy.
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (13:50):
So.
>> Will (13:50):
So to answer your second question, no, it did not
impact my accounts. I can't remember. I
can't remember a very pivotal character's name, even though I really enjoyed the
series.
>> Sarah (14:00):
Yeah, yeah. It's. It's in the moment,
you enjoy it. but then go
afterwards, you're just
after. It's the true test if something
really resonates or if something
is just spectacle and
entertainment for just
like. I mean, it's a good
(14:22):
story. I still think about the Penguin, and I'll probably re
referencing that show for a while. I mean, people,
longtime listeners, know when a show
resonates with me, I pull
it so much,
I go in the deep. Well. And the
funny thing is, it used to be because I would watch shows
(14:43):
over and over again, but now, like, over the
last few years, I. It's. It's
very, very, very rare that I
rewatch something. Very rare.
>> Will (14:55):
Yeah. same.
>> Sarah (14:55):
And when I say rewatch, I mean, like,
full, sit down, entertain. I don't mean just throw
on because it's easy and, like, white noise.
No, so. So there's a big
difference there. but I also did see.
I mean, speaking about, things we watched over break and
Golden Globes, kind of, even though I don't think they won
(15:16):
anything, did watch the Complete
Unknown. It was an
obligation. My mom really wanted to see it.
I was like, so
what I will say about that movie,
is. Is. I don't know what was all the hype
with Timothee Chalamet? I don't.
(15:37):
I think. And don't get me wrong, I think he's a
fine actor. Like, he didn't. He didn't
disappoint. But I don't. I don't think the
performance was like, oh, my God. Mainly
because I don't think
it's a complete movie.
It ends in the most bizarre
spot. And
(16:00):
my mom even filled me in on some of the
history with, Bob Dylan,
and she
even said, like, it was a
slice of his life. It was not a
biopic the way we're anticipating
a biopic. And also, someone with a career
that spans decades
(16:22):
like this. Span four years.
Spoiler alert. It went through four
years. and
you're. And I think,
I think it was fine. The singing was fine.
My mom, for her, she
could not pinpoint.
(16:44):
She did not get caught off guard by being
like, that's not Bob Dylan's voice. No, really,
Chalamet. And he has the perfect voice. Me,
I've watched Timothee Chalamet
and many different things, including interviews. I
know his voice. So therefore,
for me, it was pretty obvious.
(17:05):
Just. And. And I, this is a hard thing for me to
explain. I am very good at
identifying voices. You
are, when I'm listening to. Because of
tones. So. So
by the end of the movie, they start rolling
credits, and, they play a song. And I'm, like,
sitting there for about two minutes because it's a song my
(17:27):
mom really likes. And I looked at my mom, and I'm like, is
that Timothy or is that Bob Dylan. And
she's like, I don't know. And I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's Timothy.
And then I looked it up and I was right.
Yeah. But all that aside,
it's a fine movie. And it's a, and
it's, it's a very, especially
(17:49):
for someone like my mom, it's a very
good movie because of the music and
her love for that kind of music.
So I think nostalgic wise, it works for a lot of
people. But for
me, I was just
like, at the end of the day,
(18:09):
I don't think Bob Dylan is
that interesting of a person.
I m. Think. And I kept comparing it
to Walk the Line about
Johnny Cash because. And
now granted, Johnny Cash, the Walk the Line movie
is not solely a biopic. No, no, no,
(18:30):
no. It's, it's about two people in
a relationship. and
so that adds so much more.
While this movie is really about one person
and also arguably also about a
movement, but
it's not that
(18:50):
compelling because
I don't think a lot of people
know a lot about Bob Dylan's life
because coming up, based on what I saw,
I'm like, oh, he's a really private person.
So, so I don't, I don't think the public
knows a lot. Yeah,
(19:10):
yeah. And, and, and spoiler alert.
You're not gonna leave this movie knowing a whole
lot either. Really not
so. I just, I mean
it didn't bore me and it went by a lot quicker than
I thought it would. But I really,
I really was just like, this is
(19:33):
it. Like,
why does this feel so
incomplete yet complete? Like, it's
very weird. I have very mixed emotions about that
movie.
>> Will (19:47):
Okay, cool.
>> Sarah (19:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Will (19:50):
I was trying to go see Wicked on my birthday.
But still, I mean that
movie has quite legs. even by
the 30th of December, it was still quite a
few seats, so sold out in
the, at the main theater here in town. And
and then my wife was just like, there was like a
(20:10):
like 8:00 show or whatever and she's us and
she's just not. She was like.
I was like, you know, it's a two and a half hour movie. And she, as soon as she heard that, she
was like, we'll just wait for streaming. I was like, come.
>> Sarah (20:22):
People are already watching it on Apple
tv.
>> Will (20:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. So
I, I am looking forward to it because I do like musical
theater. Musical, musicals.
and, and musical theater. And
that as well, so, so I am looking forward to
watching that. But really, the only thing as far as new,
I watched over. Over our break, I did watch a couple episodes
(20:46):
of Creature Commandos. Hey, I got it right. and,
yeah, for the longest time, I've been calling it the
Creature Comfort, thinking about the, Nic park
movie, which actually I do want to watch. That's another thing I am going to watch
probably this weekend is, Wallace and Gromit. Artemis,
foul. it's just. Just dropped on Netflix, I
think, last weekend. but,
But other than that, I didn't really watch anything
(21:08):
new. Yeah, I
watched There's a lot of football. A lot of football was
watched, but that's about it.
>> Sarah (21:15):
I watched, A K drama that I had been wanting to
watch since probably like, June of
last year. but. And I finally figured
out how so many people were watching it. I just had to
pay for a Paramount subscription. And luckily,
I think I knew that. And because it
was so. It was,
overpriced, I was like, I'll just wait.
(21:38):
And I forgot about it. And I was reminded over
hiatus about that show. So I was like, oh,
$1.99 for two months. Yeah, I can do that.
>> Will (21:47):
Okay.
>> Sarah (21:47):
set up the reminder on my phone to cancel it at the end
of two months.
So I watched that, which was. All right,
but I tell you,
Kate, Hammers are good, but.
Or there's some that are really good.
But I think the biggest. My
biggest learning experience with A K drama
(22:10):
is they don't know how
to. How to stretch the story
for as long as they. As many
episodes as they have these shows go for
to make it a fulfilling ending. They, all.
They always fall flat. Like, even the. A show that
I was. I was gushing about right before
(22:30):
break, when the phone rings.
>> Will (22:32):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (22:33):
Okay, I will admit, last two
episodes aired over this past weekend.
It took me forever to get around to them. I
kept prioritizing other things, including
what if. Which we'll eventually talk about, I'm sure.
and then yesterday I was thinking to myself, man,
I still haven't watched the last two episodes.
(22:55):
I watched them in a very much like.
Yeah, boring. Boring. Skip.
Okay. I pretty much got the. Just what happened? Got
it. Bye. Bye.
It's just. I don't know what it is.
A lot of the ones, they start off strong for
me.
>> Will (23:15):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (23:16):
But, man, they do. They lose me.
And ironically, it's the ones that start
off slow that eventually
kick in, and I'm like, oh, oh,
okay. Yeah, yeah,
that, that's cool.
>> Will (23:32):
Yeah, I've noticed that, that, that that's the trend
whenever you, you share a K dramas
series with me.
>> Sarah (23:39):
Yeah.
>> Will (23:39):
And yeah, that that, that's how, that's how it
typically goes.
>> Sarah (23:43):
Yeah. Yeah, typically goes, but we'll
see. I, I have a few. I'm gonna, I'm gonna
watch this one that's gonna be on
Netflix, in a few weeks
called, Gossip among the Stars.
>> Will (23:57):
Oh yeah, I saw that.
>> Sarah (23:58):
Yeah, yeah, a lot of people. And no, ironically,
I have not watched Squid Games too.
>> Will (24:04):
Yeah, yeah, you read my mind. I was. That's gonna be my
question if you, I mean I tried watching season one and just
never, it just never grabbed me and
I was just like, yeah, ah, okay.
>> Sarah (24:16):
I inadvertently watched a TikTok about
someone who watched it and they immediately
said don't watch it. Wait until season three
because you're like the way they end
it. They're just like, okay, when we're going to get season
three. And so I'm like,
well, okay, I'm just going to sit back and relax.
(24:36):
I, I didn't like the first
season. I really didn't. I understood
what they were doing. It didn't make me cry.
I thought everything was telegraphed
and a lot of the performances
were good, but I was not.
And, and I can understand the appeal
of it, but
(24:58):
at the. There was so much hype that I
was expecting so much more
same. So. And I
don't know, I'm kind of like,
I'll get to it when I get to it. I, I, it's a
show that I'm not worried about being spoiled
spoiled for either. So
(25:18):
but, but I, I will tell you, not
for it being out as long as it has
been. It had.
I know people are watching and I know the numbers are big, but
I don't feel like anybody's talking about it the way that
season one was talked about.
>> Will (25:35):
Yeah, I feel the same way. I feel the same way. It
doesn't Oh yeah. Granted, I know it's been a holiday and
hadn't been around a lot of folks as far as around the office
and, and other things. But yeah, the
either, both maybe and maybe
two. It's just I just don't spend as much time on social media
anymore as I used to but I just
don't both neither there
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nor just just people in real life. I
just haven't heard. Heard the buzz about it. A friend of mine did watch
it and really you know, they, they power
through it. Not a big fan of it, but, you know, it's just one of those things
like, well, you know, everybody. It's the, it's the, it's the, it's the
it show right now, so I gotta watch it. so,
But they were kind of underwhelmed by it, quite frankly. And,
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yeah, they're like, okay, I'll, you know, let's see what the big
hype is. And I felt the same way about season one, but it has
felt, you know, it's like that it was the it show over the
holiday. So.
>> Sarah (26:28):
Yeah. Yeah.
all right, well, another show that aired over
the holiday that, I don't think a lot of people are talking
about and if they are, I don't think there's
the best reviews, but is. What if season
three will,
what are, what are your thoughts on, on this
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season? On this season?
>> Will (26:51):
So I will, I will share with the, with our audience,
sort of how.
Whenever I, I just, I reached out to you last
weekend about it, I was like, well, you know,
first couple shows and you know, I didn't really say
too much, but I think you probably could. We've, we,
we know each other well enough to know, like, whenever
something can read between the lines and
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I,
this, it was, this was, this was
a slog for me to get through, to be
honest. It, it really was.
I, it left me wanting. Not, now I
will, you know, that being said, some of the voice
work, the, the animation, I, you know,
I have to give props to it. I mean, the animation
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is great as far as,
you know, they definitely put the, put the time and money
and everything into it there. some of the, the voice
actors really, especially the people who are
primarily voice actors, always bring their a games. And Catherine
Hahn too, actually, I thought, even though I
was not a fan of the second episode, I thought she did.
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You know, as far as the live, typically live action
actors, I thought she did pretty solid voice work
as well. But overall, I just
felt like I,
I just feel like this series has just been one of
diminishing returns for me.
>> Sarah (28:13):
Yeah, yeah, I, I, I would
agree. I think that
one of the standouts in terms of voice work was
David Harbour. I can just tell
by watching him, even, like he
loves to play this character and he loves to put
on a very thick
Russian accent and he just, he
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just, he, he sounded like he was having fun, much
like did. And,
and my criticism has nothing to do
with any of the voice work, nothing to do with
any like how the show looks. It's
all boils down to story.
>> Will (28:52):
Yes.
>> Sarah (28:52):
And I think that now that we've
have three seasons of this show,
a complete series, is
that what happened
is they went from season one,
which featured iconic
characters in our mainstream
MAU universe. We're talking Spider man,
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we're talking Doctor Strange. I'm sorry, I'm going to mention
Doctor Strange because it's the best episode of
the whole show. Okay.
>> Will (29:22):
Yep.
>> Sarah (29:22):
Season one, we all know, okay, you
got your Spider man, you got your Thor, you got your Black
Panther. Like iconic characters that we
already know. And then you get to see
them enter these
other worlds that we already know.
And those stories were interesting and
it really was like they were asking the question,
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what if now season two
rolls around a little bit
mixed. Granted, they had a very good arc, especially
towards the end with Captain Carter. Yeah,
yeah. Season
three. I don't know who
decided to be like, you know what, I think
the best part of season two was
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not any of that arc building thing,
but more about like these
characters from these lesser known
franchises, lesser known beloved
franchise franchises. And we're gonna pull
from there and we're gonna pull from Howard the Duck because
everyone's been like, the
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characters they're using makes.
I'm just like, the viewers don't want
this. I mean, the first episode,
okay, Bruce Banner. Love Bruce Banner.
Love Captain America. AKA Sam
Wilson.
But I kid you not, I
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had not really. I did not
look ahead at what was coming or anything, but
I thought to myself, and granted, I
probably was completely engaged for about 10 minutes
of this episode. but I thought to
myself, why does this feel so much
like the movie the Immortals
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and the. Because they kept talking
about the eight, the gamma, apex predator. And I'm like,
that feels so much like the
throwaway villain from the Immortals movie. I'm like, I'm
not talking about the Celestial. I'm talking about those,
those weird things. And then there was this.
Too many things. So then to fast forward and
have all of the immortal references,
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especially in the second. I'm like, no.
>> Will (31:36):
Oh yeah, the Eternals.
>> Sarah (31:37):
Yeah, yeah, the Eternals. I am so sorry. The
Eternals.
>> Will (31:40):
Yeah, no worries, no worries. Yeah,
but they are immortal. A lot of the characters are immortal. And
you know, maybe you're thinking of humans too.
>> Sarah (31:48):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. This is more
of a creature comfort kind of thing going on for
me. but thank you for correcting me because
I would have kept saying that. But
anyway, like I just
feel as though somebody like a
writer was definitely part of the
mortals movie and was like, my characters have
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to.
>> Will (32:13):
Yeah, so for me, I was just like, I saw this done
better. It was called Godzilla.
>> Sarah (32:19):
I. There was just. I,
They. The. The individual
stories, they. They just. They didn't
pull from the right well with a lot of
this stuff. I mean, they even tried to
redeem itself with the last
two and bringing back Captain Carter, but it
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was too late. It just. And then
what was with the Shang Chi episode?
>> Will (32:46):
Yeah, so actually I like the shang chi
episode 1872. that Western. Actually, that was
the one that was one of the ones I did like. I don't
know, because that's one of the. I guess to your
point about. And I think that was part of the problem for me
as well. Like. Well, the first episode I just felt like, was this
overstuff. They were trying to like
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they were taking the what if? Premise. And then
whenever, like, Sam and Bruce were doing the. On your
left and. Yeah, that, you know, that was like,
okay, this felt.
>> Sarah (33:17):
Felt overdone,
overused. Like.
>> Will (33:22):
Yeah, I. I just felt like the first episode was
just. And I think over. I think thinking back
over to the three seasons, the first
episodes have been kind of shaky. so I was
like, okay, fair enough. You know, this. This. You know what, Ifs
always little rocky come starting
off. And I think back when we had our conversations with
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them over the years, that. That was the. That's
our general critique with it. But
then it's just like, you know, that one just
like. But overall, like, to your point, they're
using a lot of these phase four
characters that in
many cases just
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didn't. Didn't pop with us when we saw them in live
action or if they did, you know, we had.
We haven't had the.
The time with them to. To be invested in
them like the. The phase one, two, three characters, you know,
because to your point, the.
Even though I wasn't a big fan of the
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episode with Bucky and the Red Guardian,
you know, but it was a good pairing, at least.
>> Sarah (34:27):
Yeah. it was interesting because.
Because that moment that they decided
to twist is an iconic
moment in. In terms of the
whole history of the mcu.
>> Will (34:41):
Exactly.
>> Sarah (34:43):
Like, you can take those moments and then
it's not as, As, laid on
thick as what you were referring to. The whole.
On your left. And like, okay, we. We watched this
movie, like these references
that we get them, but they're too on the
nose. They're not as Subtle.
and my whole thing with the Shang,
(35:06):
Chi episode is m. Mainly in terms of
the season context wise. I'm just
like, why. Why
it felt like such a pause. Granted. You can
argue like it's a needed refresher, like,
break from all of the. The other stuff.
And. And I mean, I just don't
(35:26):
understand because the.
The big arc in season two is
really them, and Captain is Captain
Carter.
>> Will (35:36):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (35:37):
And so it felt like by the
by, towards the end of this season, they.
They focused on trying to get a
new rally the troops.
A few. Maybe like one or
two. Like, okay, one. The duck
Birdie. Because.
(35:58):
Because did. Well, was it a season one or a
season two episode with Storm, or
did they just throw that in there?
>> Will (36:06):
They threw that in there. This is her first appearance. and I guess
now. And I guess they could do so. Because since we do
have X Men 97, I. I think they were just like,
okay, you know, we. We can start introducing somebody.
X Men. Yeah, yeah, you know, we have
that. We have Wolverine in the MCU now, so we can. We can start
pulling these characters in.
>> Sarah (36:26):
I, yeah, I. At the end of the day,
I. I really don't.
I don't think they chose from. To draw from
the right Wells. I don't think
that they. Because Captain
Carter, in a way,
really, by the end of season two,
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is like the face of this show.
>> Will (36:49):
Exactly.
>> Sarah (36:50):
I'm sorry. She's the face. Nobody cares about
the Watcher, okay? The
Watcher is our narrator. And by the end of it, in
my mind, he's villain. Okay.
He just made it all about himself and
took away all, ah. Of the interesting things that were
going on. It just was
(37:11):
annoying. I don't know.
>> Will (37:14):
Well, yeah, because I think that's part of it too. I
think so. Like, whenever. Like the
Bucky Red Guardian, I guess
the thing that just graded on me with that episode, like, you
know, the Perry, like you said, they took a, a. A
Nexus literally, if you want to use the MCU terms, Nexus
moment in the mcu. and.
And. And did something with it, which was
(37:37):
what? Whatever. We first learned about this series way
back. Gosh, was it 2019 or something like that?
when I heard the what if premise, I was just like, okay,
yeah, we're gonna see. Like
that. That type of story that was set up in.
In that episode with Bucky and the Red
Guardian, the thing that just got to me.
You're right. David harbor definitely loves that character. but
(38:00):
I think the writing of it with the, the
over where it was starting to great on me
a bit was the, the, the arc,
the Russian arc, the Soviet archetype, it
was laying it all too thick.
And you know, wherever they would get to a good moment then.
And that was sort of throughout the series in some cases where they
(38:21):
would have good moments, but then they would like dive. They'll just go off
track on some silliness and it's just like, oh,
yeah.
>> Sarah (38:29):
I, I think it also
by this point, knowing what's
ahead, you're just like, oh, now we get the
episode that is clearly a kind of
funny what if scenario.
Prelude for Thunderbolts, which is coming
later this year.
(38:49):
Or like what you said about Storm being there. Well,
they just aired X Men 97,
so it's just there was so
many times where I'm just like really, really kind
of. I mean, granted they could have done that a
whole lot more, but thank
God they didn't. but yeah, I
just. Oh, go ahead.
>> Will (39:11):
No, I was saying, I was thinking to your point about the writing too, I
think they had a lot of concepts, but I think
the other thing too is they just didn't let
things. The
execution of the Assam,
you know, were under bait or. They
just didn't let things. You know, I think the episode
like when the the celestial, like the
(39:34):
emergence happens and you know, we have Quentin
Beck picking up the remnants of the earth and
you know, we get all these. We get the you know, we get
Wong and Okoya and some of the other
riri. and you know, it's an interesting
premise, but all the moments
don't, you know, it just. They like
riri's supposed to be this like brilliant scientist and stuff,
(39:56):
but I just didn't see it in that
episode and,
or they would. They, they were, they would just
not let her. No, it shouldn't do it. I
don't know. I just feel like again,
we're not.
>> Sarah (40:13):
Yeah.
>> Will (40:13):
You know, we don't, we don't know these characters well enough yet to
like, do ah. You know, to, to like
feel. Either feel invested in them
or.
>> Sarah (40:23):
Understand.
>> Will (40:24):
their motivation, you know, or if you put them in a what if
scenario. I just don't feel like they've been developed
enough and, And I don't think these, these, these, these
episodes develop them enough with the writing
to, to really like get it help us get to know
these characters even further. Especially when you consider you're
going to have an Ironheart show coming out later this year
and other Things as well. So part of me felt
(40:47):
like. And ah, maybe you were touching on this a little bit too
is I just felt like this was a commercial to get
me for the next few phases to get me to
the next movie or TV show.
>> Sarah (40:58):
M. Yeah. Thank
you for bringing up the RiRi episode because
this is where I really fell off the train. first
of all, it's been a while since we've last seen
riri.
>> Will (41:11):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (41:11):
And so in a way I kind of understand especially
if her, her show is finally set
to premiere. Like why, like hey,
viewers, remember this character because you're gonna see her
later. But at the same
time. And you're
right, there was some good premise.
(41:32):
But. But it just.
I was not invested at all. Like
you were supposed to view this episode
as if you were the watcher and just so
heartbroken. And I was just like, I don't care.
>> Will (41:47):
What are you going to.
>> Sarah (41:48):
I do not. I do not. Part of the
reason, I mean. And we're, we have
to really. I can't stress this enough. This
is season three. If
they really wanted to make this episode
a compelling episode, they should
have had a precursor in season
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two. They should have the,
the. A show like this can
work if, if you
really have the vision
for a full thing. And I thought
they had that with Captain Carter.
>> Will (42:25):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (42:25):
And that's why I keep going back to. I don't
understand why her, her journey,
her story wasn't more at the forefront.
>> Will (42:34):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (42:34):
And. But now the more we talk about, it's like, oh, they had to
throw in all of these previews for what's ahead with
the new phases and kind of closing this
chapter. But at the same time
it's like
you. There are plenty of characters
that are loved and the reason
(42:56):
why. for me
one of my favorite episodes of season one is
the zombie episode. And I know,
and it's mainly because I will never
forget how,
how there was Spider Man. Peter
Parker says something along the
lines of, of I.
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I have to be hopeful because I just
like I've lost so much. I forget
the, forget the, the moments.
But it was such an eye opener for me
to like a character said
something and I've seen this character
in so many narrations. But it's never
occurred to me like this is why he's your
(43:41):
friendly neighborhood Spider man because
he can't think about all of the
loss. And it's just, it was so moving
to me.
>> Will (43:50):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (43:51):
Such a brief moment. And it's just, it's just
like, there. There needed to be more of
that.
>> Will (43:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (43:58):
In three, but also in season two.
>> Will (44:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that. I
remember you bringing that up. And. And, you know,
with. Even last, when we discussed season two, I think that you
brought that same point up. And. And you're right. I mean, I think
that's why I said, I think this. This show,
it's good that they're ending it. because I think
it. It's. It was starting to get to the point of
(44:21):
diminishing returns. and. And I felt like
whenever Captain Carter, by the time we got around to episode
seven and eight, with. Whenever she does
reappear when, the
Watcher, you know, I just felt it. Felt it felt
tacked on.
>> Sarah (44:36):
Yep.
>> Will (44:36):
and. And I'm like, oh. So it
was like, they. Course. I guess
they're like. I guess they hurt. I guess too many people complained
about Carter, you know, being the
focal point in season two. So then they course. Correct and
go the other extreme and do all these
other things with the. You know, with
Howard Duck and all this other stuff. And then. Oh, yeah,
(44:59):
but by the way, we do need to, like, close the loop on that.
And also, this is to remind everyone Dr.
Strange is his own universe now.
>> Sarah (45:07):
Yeah. For
a moment, I was. I was just
like, oh, we're gonna go back to that story.
I was so happy. And then I was quickly
demised. But, yeah, yeah, it was
completely tacked on, especially considering
her whole introduction is,
(45:29):
the ending of the, I'm blanking
on her name. but from
Guardians, her episode in
season two. Oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Sorry, guys. we
were on a hiatus. Our
listeners are like, yeah, but you guys,
(45:52):
Nova's episode. Her. Her whole, like,
crime. Yeah, that
episode.
>> Will (45:58):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (45:59):
So it's just. Yeah. I mean,
I. Yeah. What if season three
is. Is what it is. and. And I'm kind of
glad we're. We're. We got through it.
there were some gems along the way.
not as much in season three, that is for sure.
But, I think
(46:21):
20, 25, though,
MCU. it'll
be interesting. I don't think it's gonna
be completely all highs,
but I don't think it's gonna be all lows
either. I think it's gonna be.
There's some rocky patches, but, I am looking
forward, to the epic showdown between
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Fantastic Four and Superman.
Yeah, we got there. Between now
and then. Somebody please, please put. Put
your mind to work. Okay? You got to Create
the new, the new Barbenheimer. Okay, like,
what is it? What are we calling this thing that's about to
happen? Okay, we've got plenty of time, but
(47:03):
anybody other than me, do your magic.
>> Will (47:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Help us. Yeah, Wordsmith it, y'all.
Wordsmith. And social media will speak. We'll put it out there.
But, yeah, I mean, the other. Yeah, that's
my last thought on what if. And, and I think,
to that. Looking at, looking ahead
to what we're going to get this year as far as
the, Marvel Universe. I, know, I
know things are. The Multiverse saga is slowly
(47:30):
winding down and especially looking
at. But I think for me, the
other thing too, when I was watching this list
is watching this, is that I, I,
I'm, I'm kind of done with the multiverse. I'm ready to move
on to something else.
>> Sarah (47:47):
well, good luck watching RDJ play
Doctor Doom.
>> Will (47:50):
Yeah, I know, I know.
>> Sarah (47:52):
Evans. You know, in some way.
>> Will (47:55):
Yeah, I will say, I will say, as I mentioned to you, you know,
I mentioned earlier while we were talking tonight, I did
watch Creature Commandos. And, and I have to
say, you know, dc, I think DC
Studios, it's going to be, I think they
are going to come out with some good stuff. I
mean, I, I did enjoy the two episodes that I watched
(48:16):
and I'm planning on finishing up that series. And,
yeah, I was just like, I was like watching that and
then I came to this and I was just like, oh, as
far as my animation over the holidays. And I was
just like, there's more times than not, I was like
picking up my phone, seeing what else is on right now. What's going on in the world
right now.
>> Sarah (48:35):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, of course
they're going to be on the upswing. They were on the low
for so long.
>> Will (48:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have nowhere to go but up.
>> Sarah (48:44):
Yeah, they don't really,
I mean. And, MCU has been doing this weird
thing where there's highs and lows and there's, there's
all of these offshoots with Sony
doing what it does and a whole lot
of nothing. but yeah, ah,
2025, looking ahead, which will
(49:06):
go more in depth, within the next few weeks.
but the content
will only get better. granted,
we are going to take a trip back to
2024.
>> Will (49:22):
Because.
>> Sarah (49:22):
I don't know, I don't know. Don't blame us, people.
Blame whoever schedules TV
programming as no ah, one has decided to release
anything good until the end of January. but
more on that later. But, but yeah, we're,
we're going to, we're going to be picking up finally
Invincible, finishing Invincible Season
2. And then for some
(49:45):
God unholy reason, we are
going to finish up the last season
of Cobra, Kai. And
no, no, no, I am, I'm putting my
foot, foot down, Will. I am. M
not, I'm not going to theater to watch
Cobra Kai movie, whatever, whatever that
is. I'm not.
>> Will (50:08):
Don't worry. Yeah, that's a
streaming, streaming one too for me. Yeah.
But, yeah, looking forward to doing our. Yeah,
looking forward to our, TV and movie.
I know we touched on some tonight, but have a deeper dive
next couple weeks.
>> Sarah (50:24):
Yeah. All right, well, on that note, Will, why
don't you tell our listeners where they can find you.
>> Will (50:30):
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you doing tonight, Will?
>> Will (00:07):
Doing very well, Sarah. Happy, New Year. I know it's the 7th,
but, this first time we've actually. I know we've texted and stuff, but
first time we've actually talked. So Happy new year.
>> Sarah (00:15):
Happy 2025.
>> Will (00:18):
Yes, yes, it is, indeed.
>> Sarah (00:21):
It is. It is kicking off and
things are happening. I mean, the Golden Globes
were held.
>> Will (00:28):
Yeah. All time for a change. I think they're
finally. I think award season is back on track.
>> Sarah (00:34):
Well, I don't. Yeah, yeah,
time wise. Time wise. They still make some
very weird choices with this stuff.
I did watch, Nikki
Glaser's, full opening monologue, and I thought
it was good. Okay, Good, decent.
Like, I wasn't, like, over, like, blown away,
(00:54):
but she played it safe. She definitely played
it safe with a lot of the stuff, but she also.
It wasn't boring either.
So, and then I watched Sebastian
Stan's acceptance speech. I watched
Demi Moore's acceptance speech.
and that was about it, I think, of the acceptance
speeches, and I just. I then found
(01:17):
myself in this tunnel of Antony
Mackie stalking Sebastian
just to make sure that Everybody knows their
BFFs. I mean, no, we saw
the Civil War press tour. Okay, we
know.
>> Will (01:31):
Yep. Civil War. We saw the Falcon and
Winter Soldier press tour. As much as they could do it, given
the time. Yeah, I guess it was. I guess it was removed
at that point. But, yeah, we saw it all. So,
Yeah, I, Yeah, I, you know, I agree with you.
I did not see Nikki's, opening monologue, but I did see
where it was very well received and they were thinking about
(01:51):
bringing her back again for. For a host. The last time
I saw her do a bit was the, Tom Brady roast,
but, Which was, which was pretty fun. But, Yeah,
yeah.
>> Sarah (02:01):
And I also. I think the funny thing
is the biggest news to come out
of the Golden Globes is
really the fact that everyone.
It's. It's kind of confirmed, but
from my understanding, it's not confirmed by either one of them, but
that Tom Holland and Zendaya are engaged, so.
>> Will (02:21):
Yeah. Yeah, I thought you were going to say the Vin
Diesel. Hey, Dwayne.
>> Sarah (02:26):
No, that was such, like, a small
thing that. I mean, I mean,
Zendaya.
>> Will (02:34):
I know. I'm just giving it heart. I'm just messing with
you.
>> Sarah (02:37):
Yeah, yeah. No, no, yeah,
yeah. Not, So. So, yeah,
and. And
I mean, anything about anybody who
won?
>> Will (02:49):
No, I mean, Shogun, which, you know, give
me my opportunity to, like, you know, remind everyone that that was my
number one show for. For the year of
2024. one in every
category was nominated for, so one,
drama, Anna Sawai, one actress.
Hiroki Sonata won the, actor.
And, Thando, Asano
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won for, supporting for Jabba Shuge. So,
>> Sarah (03:13):
Yeah, yeah, I saw that, and I was like, well, at least my
guy got something. He should have got an Emmy. He should have got an
Emmy. He didn't. But.
>> Will (03:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And of course, Colin Farrell, for Penguin
with the Limited Action. Limited, series anthology
category. So, which was, I think, pretty much
as expected.
>> Sarah (03:30):
Yeah, yeah, there. There. There was. There was no
way. Did Christina get it for.
>> Will (03:36):
No, she did not.
>> Sarah (03:38):
Okay.
>> Will (03:38):
She did not. I can't remember who won in that category. I don't have the list
in front of me right now.
>> Sarah (03:43):
The list. But this is just organized in a very. Oh,
Jodie Foster won it for True Detective.
>> Will (03:48):
That's right. That's right.
>> Sarah (03:50):
That's hilarious.
>> Will (03:52):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (03:54):
that's so sad. But Penguin and.
Yeah, yeah,
yeah. But it was.
It's funny to me. I will admit I forgot to
mention how I watched Kieran Cold Gins,
too. But for some reason, the clip I watched,
because there's no way I'm watching the full, full thing. I'm
watching clips. People I watched didn't
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really have, like, the announcement. It just showed him getting
up there. So I didn't really.
This is hilarious. This is how much I pay attention,
people. I was like,
succession has been gone for a while.
I mean, and then.
And then it dawned on me, like, within the
(04:38):
first 10 seconds, because he. He does thank
Jesse Eisenberg that it was, for the movie, a real
pain. But I was just. I
just. He's somebody, too,
who, He did the actors on
Actors, studio thing with,
Cole. Oh, my God. I'm blanking
on his name. I want to say it's
(05:00):
Coleman.
>> Will (05:01):
Oh, Colman. Domingo.
>> Sarah (05:02):
Domingo. Yeah. Yeah, those
two. Wow. That.
That was very entertaining to watch. It's one of the
better of the actors on
Actors, because
Kieran will literally say whatever he wants.
And. And, And Domingo is
(05:23):
clearly amused.
Clearly. Just. Just. And
also very inquisitive.
>> Will (05:31):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (05:31):
So. So you have somebody who likes to ask questions
and can ask some really good ones, and then you
have someone who could, say,
could just takes the question
and turns it into something else. And
then you go into a con. Like, it's a great
pairing,
between. Between two people. Like,
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really good. like. Like there's
Sebastian, Stan and Antony Mackie
chemistry. This is something different.
>> Will (06:02):
Okay.
>> Sarah (06:03):
But still good. But still for
very different reasons. So.
>> Will (06:08):
Cool. Cool. Yeah, I'll check that one out.
>> Sarah (06:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was. I was
at least entertained by it. And he just.
Every now and then, you just forget how long Kieran has been
in the industry.
>> Will (06:21):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (06:22):
I mean, every now and then I think about the movies from
my childhood that he was starring in as, like, a
teenager, and I'm like, that's the same kid who
grew up to be. To play on
succession. That's not weird at all.
Oh, man. all right,
substance didn't win, right?
>> Will (06:43):
it did not. But obviously Demi,
won her first award for any category.
>> Sarah (06:51):
Okay. Amelia Perez won. Yeah, that's
right. Got it. Okay.
>> Will (06:55):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (06:56):
And that's a Netflix movie. Okay.
>> Will (06:58):
Yeah, that's Netflix movie. Wicked one. The, best,
Box office M
award that, I guess it's like the pop culture
award because it has, like, all the, like, hot,
big box office movies and stuff. Even though. Even
though Wicked was that.
>> Sarah (07:15):
Yeah. It's basically the People's Choice
Award for Best Picture
overall. Yeah, we'll
see. I mean, I used to think that
the golden, Globes were strong indicators,
and to an extent, they are. But lately I
feel as though in the most recent years, there's always, like, one
or two of the major categories that Oscars
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like to be like. Well, you didn't see this one coming.
>> Will (07:41):
Yeah, I think the Screen Actors Guild is probably a
better barometer these days than Golden
Globes. as far as what, what's going to
possibly win in the Oscar race.
>> Sarah (07:53):
Yeah.
a show that we will definitely be talking about come
awards season. This year will be
The Last of Us 2, which, has come out with
another teaser trailer
advertisement campaign that I'm refusing to
watch because I don't know anything. I already know too
much. but we are getting closer
(08:15):
to know when it's officially coming back. As we know
it will be back in the month of April.
>> Will (08:21):
Yeah. Yeah, I was, I did watch it because I did not
watch the first teaser trailer. So
this one was got. I mean, obviously
I'm gonna watch this series. It just got me. I'm
already excited for it. It was. But. But to see
Abby and, some of the other
parts of what was in that teaser trailer
(08:41):
definitely, was like. Okay, I.
We. Now we know because we knew it was coming back at some
point. first part of the year for first
quarter or so. And. And so we get it. And then, of
course, then I start, like, looking at the calendar is trying to figure out, like,
what. Well, for two reasons. One, to see
what possible Sunday night it's going to drop.
(09:02):
And then. And it was because I was starting
to look at our show schedule and start to plan,
like, when we're going to, like, talk about it. And,
so I think I've determined based
on that, because I think the White Lotus is
dropping next, month. And
so I think the last episode of the White Lotus goes to
first weekend, first Sunday of April. So
(09:24):
hopefully we'll get The Last of Us Part 2, Season
2. you know, either
that following week or the week after.
>> Sarah (09:33):
Yeah.
>> Will (09:33):
Is my fault.
>> Sarah (09:34):
So April is going to be a good month
because, granted, it'll be a busy month, and we'll be
struggling because we got Last of
Us 2 and. Andor season 2,
so.
>> Will (09:46):
And Daredevil.
>> Sarah (09:49):
I forgot about Daredevil.
>> Will (09:50):
Yeah. Comes in March. Yeah. Because I know. I was looking at
this. I was looking at her. Yeah. So we get a little pre.
A little early preview of our. Of our show for
the year. and so I was like, oh, yeah,
March 5th, I believe, is when Daredevil drops. So.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (10:06):
Oh. Ah, that won't be too bad.
>> Will (10:08):
Yeah, so. But it's like. Yeah, so it's like,
nine episodes, I want to say. So.
>> Sarah (10:14):
Yeah, yeah, we'll. We'll figure out something.
We'll make it work.
>> Will (10:18):
Yeah, we definitely will.
>> Sarah (10:20):
We have to put a, Daredevil on hold. So
it is what it is. because there are
shows, like, There are shows I don't want to be
spoiled on. Yes.
Will were to tell me, sarah, you can't watch Last of
Us, like, next episode. I'd be like, no, I'm gonna
watch it.
>> Will (10:39):
Yeah, well, it's like Last of Us just, you
know. Yeah, that. That takes. That's. That's. That
gets slot number one.
>> Sarah (10:46):
Yeah. Yeah. Because there's no way in hell
I already know too much. So I don't want anything
else to be spoiled. I want to live in the moment.
>> Will (10:55):
Exactly.
>> Sarah (10:56):
Oh, my God. like, don't make me. Don't make
me bring out episode three of
succession.
I watched it, and
now if Will were to ever watch
that. That show, that episode not
have the same effect. Not
to this day.
>> Will (11:16):
You know what? I did watch it, and you're right. It does not have the same
effect.
>> Sarah (11:20):
Oh, no, there's no way it could have.
There's no way. But anybody
who was there for that night and had
no idea, my God. That's the
only thing you talk about coming out.
Wow. Wow. Wow.
Yeah.
>> Will (11:38):
for sure, for sure. Yep. Yeah, you're
completely right. So,
>> Sarah (11:42):
Yeah. Yeah.
And I mean, we were talking before we
turned on the recording device and just
about how we went into a little bit
of a hiatus, a kind of a shorter hiatus
because we had to wrap up Dune Prophecy.
but we. We thought we were going
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to watch a few different shows and neither one of us
watched anything.
>> Will (12:07):
Yep.
>> Sarah (12:08):
Really? We watched one of season three, which we'll
talk about for like five minutes. But
I just. I find it. I find it
humorous. Like, it. It does
say a lot. Because I'll. I'll be honest,
I really enjoyed Dune Season 2,
but I did not think about it a single time while
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during break.
>> Will (12:31):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (12:32):
Not a single time. Not a. No,
never. Like, it was. It was gone. I
didn't. It was just. It was gone. And
I'm only bringing it up now because
I'm curious if A,
you did and if B,
now having some space. M.
(12:53):
Considering it wrapped. We had to wrap it up
after we gave our top shows.
Yeah. Does that show impact your
ranking at all?
>> Will (13:04):
first question. I did think about it some
because, we did have some folks comment on our, YouTube
page, about the show, some of our reviews. So I
did. So I did think about it from that respect. And also
one, one commenter did remind us that the, the,
Harkovins little spy device
that was given to,
(13:26):
Yeah, heroines. Yeah. His advice was given to,
Oh, gosh, I'm blanking on his name now.
the manipulator, the. The. The. The. The hybrid
guy. But that, that the Harkenman's in. The,
Atreides kid.
>> Sarah (13:45):
Yeah, that guy. I know who.
>> Will (13:46):
That guy. Yeah, that guy. Yeah, yeah, that guy.
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (13:50):
So.
>> Will (13:50):
So to answer your second question, no, it did not
impact my accounts. I can't remember. I
can't remember a very pivotal character's name, even though I really enjoyed the
series.
>> Sarah (14:00):
Yeah, yeah. It's. It's in the moment,
you enjoy it. but then go
afterwards, you're just
after. It's the true test if something
really resonates or if something
is just spectacle and
entertainment for just
like. I mean, it's a good
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story. I still think about the Penguin, and I'll probably re
referencing that show for a while. I mean, people,
longtime listeners, know when a show
resonates with me, I pull
it so much,
I go in the deep. Well. And the
funny thing is, it used to be because I would watch shows
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over and over again, but now, like, over the
last few years, I. It's. It's
very, very, very rare that I
rewatch something. Very rare.
>> Will (14:55):
Yeah. same.
>> Sarah (14:55):
And when I say rewatch, I mean, like,
full, sit down, entertain. I don't mean just throw
on because it's easy and, like, white noise.
No, so. So there's a big
difference there. but I also did see.
I mean, speaking about, things we watched over break and
Golden Globes, kind of, even though I don't think they won
(15:16):
anything, did watch the Complete
Unknown. It was an
obligation. My mom really wanted to see it.
I was like, so
what I will say about that movie,
is. Is. I don't know what was all the hype
with Timothee Chalamet? I don't.
(15:37):
I think. And don't get me wrong, I think he's a
fine actor. Like, he didn't. He didn't
disappoint. But I don't. I don't think the
performance was like, oh, my God. Mainly
because I don't think
it's a complete movie.
It ends in the most bizarre
spot. And
(16:00):
my mom even filled me in on some of the
history with, Bob Dylan,
and she
even said, like, it was a
slice of his life. It was not a
biopic the way we're anticipating
a biopic. And also, someone with a career
that spans decades
(16:22):
like this. Span four years.
Spoiler alert. It went through four
years. and
you're. And I think,
I think it was fine. The singing was fine.
My mom, for her, she
could not pinpoint.
(16:44):
She did not get caught off guard by being
like, that's not Bob Dylan's voice. No, really,
Chalamet. And he has the perfect voice. Me,
I've watched Timothee Chalamet
and many different things, including interviews. I
know his voice. So therefore,
for me, it was pretty obvious.
(17:05):
Just. And. And I, this is a hard thing for me to
explain. I am very good at
identifying voices. You
are, when I'm listening to. Because of
tones. So. So
by the end of the movie, they start rolling
credits, and, they play a song. And I'm, like,
sitting there for about two minutes because it's a song my
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mom really likes. And I looked at my mom, and I'm like, is
that Timothy or is that Bob Dylan. And
she's like, I don't know. And I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's Timothy.
And then I looked it up and I was right.
Yeah. But all that aside,
it's a fine movie. And it's a, and
it's, it's a very, especially
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for someone like my mom, it's a very
good movie because of the music and
her love for that kind of music.
So I think nostalgic wise, it works for a lot of
people. But for
me, I was just
like, at the end of the day,
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I don't think Bob Dylan is
that interesting of a person.
I m. Think. And I kept comparing it
to Walk the Line about
Johnny Cash because. And
now granted, Johnny Cash, the Walk the Line movie
is not solely a biopic. No, no, no,
(18:30):
no. It's, it's about two people in
a relationship. and
so that adds so much more.
While this movie is really about one person
and also arguably also about a
movement, but
it's not that
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compelling because
I don't think a lot of people
know a lot about Bob Dylan's life
because coming up, based on what I saw,
I'm like, oh, he's a really private person.
So, so I don't, I don't think the public
knows a lot. Yeah,
(19:10):
yeah. And, and, and spoiler alert.
You're not gonna leave this movie knowing a whole
lot either. Really not
so. I just, I mean
it didn't bore me and it went by a lot quicker than
I thought it would. But I really,
I really was just like, this is
(19:33):
it. Like,
why does this feel so
incomplete yet complete? Like, it's
very weird. I have very mixed emotions about that
movie.
>> Will (19:47):
Okay, cool.
>> Sarah (19:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Will (19:50):
I was trying to go see Wicked on my birthday.
But still, I mean that
movie has quite legs. even by
the 30th of December, it was still quite a
few seats, so sold out in
the, at the main theater here in town. And
and then my wife was just like, there was like a
(20:10):
like 8:00 show or whatever and she's us and
she's just not. She was like.
I was like, you know, it's a two and a half hour movie. And she, as soon as she heard that, she
was like, we'll just wait for streaming. I was like, come.
>> Sarah (20:22):
People are already watching it on Apple
tv.
>> Will (20:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. So
I, I am looking forward to it because I do like musical
theater. Musical, musicals.
and, and musical theater. And
that as well, so, so I am looking forward to
watching that. But really, the only thing as far as new,
I watched over. Over our break, I did watch a couple episodes
(20:46):
of Creature Commandos. Hey, I got it right. and,
yeah, for the longest time, I've been calling it the
Creature Comfort, thinking about the, Nic park
movie, which actually I do want to watch. That's another thing I am going to watch
probably this weekend is, Wallace and Gromit. Artemis,
foul. it's just. Just dropped on Netflix, I
think, last weekend. but,
But other than that, I didn't really watch anything
(21:08):
new. Yeah, I
watched There's a lot of football. A lot of football was
watched, but that's about it.
>> Sarah (21:15):
I watched, A K drama that I had been wanting to
watch since probably like, June of
last year. but. And I finally figured
out how so many people were watching it. I just had to
pay for a Paramount subscription. And luckily,
I think I knew that. And because it
was so. It was,
overpriced, I was like, I'll just wait.
(21:38):
And I forgot about it. And I was reminded over
hiatus about that show. So I was like, oh,
$1.99 for two months. Yeah, I can do that.
>> Will (21:47):
Okay.
>> Sarah (21:47):
set up the reminder on my phone to cancel it at the end
of two months.
So I watched that, which was. All right,
but I tell you,
Kate, Hammers are good, but.
Or there's some that are really good.
But I think the biggest. My
biggest learning experience with A K drama
(22:10):
is they don't know how
to. How to stretch the story
for as long as they. As many
episodes as they have these shows go for
to make it a fulfilling ending. They, all.
They always fall flat. Like, even the. A show that
I was. I was gushing about right before
(22:30):
break, when the phone rings.
>> Will (22:32):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (22:33):
Okay, I will admit, last two
episodes aired over this past weekend.
It took me forever to get around to them. I
kept prioritizing other things, including
what if. Which we'll eventually talk about, I'm sure.
and then yesterday I was thinking to myself, man,
I still haven't watched the last two episodes.
(22:55):
I watched them in a very much like.
Yeah, boring. Boring. Skip.
Okay. I pretty much got the. Just what happened? Got
it. Bye. Bye.
It's just. I don't know what it is.
A lot of the ones, they start off strong for
me.
>> Will (23:15):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (23:16):
But, man, they do. They lose me.
And ironically, it's the ones that start
off slow that eventually
kick in, and I'm like, oh, oh,
okay. Yeah, yeah,
that, that's cool.
>> Will (23:32):
Yeah, I've noticed that, that, that that's the trend
whenever you, you share a K dramas
series with me.
>> Sarah (23:39):
Yeah.
>> Will (23:39):
And yeah, that that, that's how, that's how it
typically goes.
>> Sarah (23:43):
Yeah. Yeah, typically goes, but we'll
see. I, I have a few. I'm gonna, I'm gonna
watch this one that's gonna be on
Netflix, in a few weeks
called, Gossip among the Stars.
>> Will (23:57):
Oh yeah, I saw that.
>> Sarah (23:58):
Yeah, yeah, a lot of people. And no, ironically,
I have not watched Squid Games too.
>> Will (24:04):
Yeah, yeah, you read my mind. I was. That's gonna be my
question if you, I mean I tried watching season one and just
never, it just never grabbed me and
I was just like, yeah, ah, okay.
>> Sarah (24:16):
I inadvertently watched a TikTok about
someone who watched it and they immediately
said don't watch it. Wait until season three
because you're like the way they end
it. They're just like, okay, when we're going to get season
three. And so I'm like,
well, okay, I'm just going to sit back and relax.
(24:36):
I, I didn't like the first
season. I really didn't. I understood
what they were doing. It didn't make me cry.
I thought everything was telegraphed
and a lot of the performances
were good, but I was not.
And, and I can understand the appeal
of it, but
(24:58):
at the. There was so much hype that I
was expecting so much more
same. So. And I
don't know, I'm kind of like,
I'll get to it when I get to it. I, I, it's a
show that I'm not worried about being spoiled
spoiled for either. So
(25:18):
but, but I, I will tell you, not
for it being out as long as it has
been. It had.
I know people are watching and I know the numbers are big, but
I don't feel like anybody's talking about it the way that
season one was talked about.
>> Will (25:35):
Yeah, I feel the same way. I feel the same way. It
doesn't Oh yeah. Granted, I know it's been a holiday and
hadn't been around a lot of folks as far as around the office
and, and other things. But yeah, the
either, both maybe and maybe
two. It's just I just don't spend as much time on social media
anymore as I used to but I just
don't both neither there
(25:57):
nor just just people in real life. I
just haven't heard. Heard the buzz about it. A friend of mine did watch
it and really you know, they, they power
through it. Not a big fan of it, but, you know, it's just one of those things
like, well, you know, everybody. It's the, it's the, it's the, it's the
it show right now, so I gotta watch it. so,
But they were kind of underwhelmed by it, quite frankly. And,
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yeah, they're like, okay, I'll, you know, let's see what the big
hype is. And I felt the same way about season one, but it has
felt, you know, it's like that it was the it show over the
holiday. So.
>> Sarah (26:28):
Yeah. Yeah.
all right, well, another show that aired over
the holiday that, I don't think a lot of people are talking
about and if they are, I don't think there's
the best reviews, but is. What if season
three will,
what are, what are your thoughts on, on this
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season? On this season?
>> Will (26:51):
So I will, I will share with the, with our audience,
sort of how.
Whenever I, I just, I reached out to you last
weekend about it, I was like, well, you know,
first couple shows and you know, I didn't really say
too much, but I think you probably could. We've, we,
we know each other well enough to know, like, whenever
something can read between the lines and
(27:14):
I,
this, it was, this was, this was
a slog for me to get through, to be
honest. It, it really was.
I, it left me wanting. Not, now I
will, you know, that being said, some of the voice
work, the, the animation, I, you know,
I have to give props to it. I mean, the animation
(27:37):
is great as far as,
you know, they definitely put the, put the time and money
and everything into it there. some of the, the voice
actors really, especially the people who are
primarily voice actors, always bring their a games. And Catherine
Hahn too, actually, I thought, even though I
was not a fan of the second episode, I thought she did.
(27:57):
You know, as far as the live, typically live action
actors, I thought she did pretty solid voice work
as well. But overall, I just
felt like I,
I just feel like this series has just been one of
diminishing returns for me.
>> Sarah (28:13):
Yeah, yeah, I, I, I would
agree. I think that
one of the standouts in terms of voice work was
David Harbour. I can just tell
by watching him, even, like he
loves to play this character and he loves to put
on a very thick
Russian accent and he just, he
(28:35):
just, he, he sounded like he was having fun, much
like did. And,
and my criticism has nothing to do
with any of the voice work, nothing to do with
any like how the show looks. It's
all boils down to story.
>> Will (28:52):
Yes.
>> Sarah (28:52):
And I think that now that we've
have three seasons of this show,
a complete series, is
that what happened
is they went from season one,
which featured iconic
characters in our mainstream
MAU universe. We're talking Spider man,
(29:14):
we're talking Doctor Strange. I'm sorry, I'm going to mention
Doctor Strange because it's the best episode of
the whole show. Okay.
>> Will (29:22):
Yep.
>> Sarah (29:22):
Season one, we all know, okay, you
got your Spider man, you got your Thor, you got your Black
Panther. Like iconic characters that we
already know. And then you get to see
them enter these
other worlds that we already know.
And those stories were interesting and
it really was like they were asking the question,
(29:45):
what if now season two
rolls around a little bit
mixed. Granted, they had a very good arc, especially
towards the end with Captain Carter. Yeah,
yeah. Season
three. I don't know who
decided to be like, you know what, I think
the best part of season two was
(30:06):
not any of that arc building thing,
but more about like these
characters from these lesser known
franchises, lesser known beloved
franchise franchises. And we're gonna pull
from there and we're gonna pull from Howard the Duck because
everyone's been like, the
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characters they're using makes.
I'm just like, the viewers don't want
this. I mean, the first episode,
okay, Bruce Banner. Love Bruce Banner.
Love Captain America. AKA Sam
Wilson.
But I kid you not, I
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had not really. I did not
look ahead at what was coming or anything, but
I thought to myself, and granted, I
probably was completely engaged for about 10 minutes
of this episode. but I thought to
myself, why does this feel so much
like the movie the Immortals
(31:11):
and the. Because they kept talking
about the eight, the gamma, apex predator. And I'm like,
that feels so much like the
throwaway villain from the Immortals movie. I'm like, I'm
not talking about the Celestial. I'm talking about those,
those weird things. And then there was this.
Too many things. So then to fast forward and
have all of the immortal references,
(31:33):
especially in the second. I'm like, no.
>> Will (31:36):
Oh yeah, the Eternals.
>> Sarah (31:37):
Yeah, yeah, the Eternals. I am so sorry. The
Eternals.
>> Will (31:40):
Yeah, no worries, no worries. Yeah,
but they are immortal. A lot of the characters are immortal. And
you know, maybe you're thinking of humans too.
>> Sarah (31:48):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. This is more
of a creature comfort kind of thing going on for
me. but thank you for correcting me because
I would have kept saying that. But
anyway, like I just
feel as though somebody like a
writer was definitely part of the
mortals movie and was like, my characters have
(32:10):
to.
>> Will (32:13):
Yeah, so for me, I was just like, I saw this done
better. It was called Godzilla.
>> Sarah (32:19):
I. There was just. I,
They. The. The individual
stories, they. They just. They didn't
pull from the right well with a lot of
this stuff. I mean, they even tried to
redeem itself with the last
two and bringing back Captain Carter, but it
(32:39):
was too late. It just. And then
what was with the Shang Chi episode?
>> Will (32:46):
Yeah, so actually I like the shang chi
episode 1872. that Western. Actually, that was
the one that was one of the ones I did like. I don't
know, because that's one of the. I guess to your
point about. And I think that was part of the problem for me
as well. Like. Well, the first episode I just felt like, was this
overstuff. They were trying to like
(33:06):
they were taking the what if? Premise. And then
whenever, like, Sam and Bruce were doing the. On your
left and. Yeah, that, you know, that was like,
okay, this felt.
>> Sarah (33:17):
Felt overdone,
overused. Like.
>> Will (33:22):
Yeah, I. I just felt like the first episode was
just. And I think over. I think thinking back
over to the three seasons, the first
episodes have been kind of shaky. so I was
like, okay, fair enough. You know, this. This. You know what, Ifs
always little rocky come starting
off. And I think back when we had our conversations with
(33:42):
them over the years, that. That was the. That's
our general critique with it. But
then it's just like, you know, that one just
like. But overall, like, to your point, they're
using a lot of these phase four
characters that in
many cases just
(34:02):
didn't. Didn't pop with us when we saw them in live
action or if they did, you know, we had.
We haven't had the.
The time with them to. To be invested in
them like the. The phase one, two, three characters, you know,
because to your point, the.
Even though I wasn't a big fan of the
(34:22):
episode with Bucky and the Red Guardian,
you know, but it was a good pairing, at least.
>> Sarah (34:27):
Yeah. it was interesting because.
Because that moment that they decided
to twist is an iconic
moment in. In terms of the
whole history of the mcu.
>> Will (34:41):
Exactly.
>> Sarah (34:43):
Like, you can take those moments and then
it's not as, As, laid on
thick as what you were referring to. The whole.
On your left. And like, okay, we. We watched this
movie, like these references
that we get them, but they're too on the
nose. They're not as Subtle.
and my whole thing with the Shang,
(35:06):
Chi episode is m. Mainly in terms of
the season context wise. I'm just
like, why. Why
it felt like such a pause. Granted. You can
argue like it's a needed refresher, like,
break from all of the. The other stuff.
And. And I mean, I just don't
(35:26):
understand because the.
The big arc in season two is
really them, and Captain is Captain
Carter.
>> Will (35:36):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (35:37):
And so it felt like by the
by, towards the end of this season, they.
They focused on trying to get a
new rally the troops.
A few. Maybe like one or
two. Like, okay, one. The duck
Birdie. Because.
(35:58):
Because did. Well, was it a season one or a
season two episode with Storm, or
did they just throw that in there?
>> Will (36:06):
They threw that in there. This is her first appearance. and I guess
now. And I guess they could do so. Because since we do
have X Men 97, I. I think they were just like,
okay, you know, we. We can start introducing somebody.
X Men. Yeah, yeah, you know, we have
that. We have Wolverine in the MCU now, so we can. We can start
pulling these characters in.
>> Sarah (36:26):
I, yeah, I. At the end of the day,
I. I really don't.
I don't think they chose from. To draw from
the right Wells. I don't think
that they. Because Captain
Carter, in a way,
really, by the end of season two,
(36:46):
is like the face of this show.
>> Will (36:49):
Exactly.
>> Sarah (36:50):
I'm sorry. She's the face. Nobody cares about
the Watcher, okay? The
Watcher is our narrator. And by the end of it, in
my mind, he's villain. Okay.
He just made it all about himself and
took away all, ah. Of the interesting things that were
going on. It just was
(37:11):
annoying. I don't know.
>> Will (37:14):
Well, yeah, because I think that's part of it too. I
think so. Like, whenever. Like the
Bucky Red Guardian, I guess
the thing that just graded on me with that episode, like, you
know, the Perry, like you said, they took a, a. A
Nexus literally, if you want to use the MCU terms, Nexus
moment in the mcu. and.
And. And did something with it, which was
(37:37):
what? Whatever. We first learned about this series way
back. Gosh, was it 2019 or something like that?
when I heard the what if premise, I was just like, okay,
yeah, we're gonna see. Like
that. That type of story that was set up in.
In that episode with Bucky and the Red
Guardian, the thing that just got to me.
You're right. David harbor definitely loves that character. but
(38:00):
I think the writing of it with the, the
over where it was starting to great on me
a bit was the, the, the arc,
the Russian arc, the Soviet archetype, it
was laying it all too thick.
And you know, wherever they would get to a good moment then.
And that was sort of throughout the series in some cases where they
(38:21):
would have good moments, but then they would like dive. They'll just go off
track on some silliness and it's just like, oh,
yeah.
>> Sarah (38:29):
I, I think it also
by this point, knowing what's
ahead, you're just like, oh, now we get the
episode that is clearly a kind of
funny what if scenario.
Prelude for Thunderbolts, which is coming
later this year.
(38:49):
Or like what you said about Storm being there. Well,
they just aired X Men 97,
so it's just there was so
many times where I'm just like really, really kind
of. I mean, granted they could have done that a
whole lot more, but thank
God they didn't. but yeah, I
just. Oh, go ahead.
>> Will (39:11):
No, I was saying, I was thinking to your point about the writing too, I
think they had a lot of concepts, but I think
the other thing too is they just didn't let
things. The
execution of the Assam,
you know, were under bait or. They
just didn't let things. You know, I think the episode
like when the the celestial, like the
(39:34):
emergence happens and you know, we have Quentin
Beck picking up the remnants of the earth and
you know, we get all these. We get the you know, we get
Wong and Okoya and some of the other
riri. and you know, it's an interesting
premise, but all the moments
don't, you know, it just. They like
riri's supposed to be this like brilliant scientist and stuff,
(39:56):
but I just didn't see it in that
episode and,
or they would. They, they were, they would just
not let her. No, it shouldn't do it. I
don't know. I just feel like again,
we're not.
>> Sarah (40:13):
Yeah.
>> Will (40:13):
You know, we don't, we don't know these characters well enough yet to
like, do ah. You know, to, to like
feel. Either feel invested in them
or.
>> Sarah (40:23):
Understand.
>> Will (40:24):
their motivation, you know, or if you put them in a what if
scenario. I just don't feel like they've been developed
enough and, And I don't think these, these, these, these
episodes develop them enough with the writing
to, to really like get it help us get to know
these characters even further. Especially when you consider you're
going to have an Ironheart show coming out later this year
and other Things as well. So part of me felt
(40:47):
like. And ah, maybe you were touching on this a little bit too
is I just felt like this was a commercial to get
me for the next few phases to get me to
the next movie or TV show.
>> Sarah (40:58):
M. Yeah. Thank
you for bringing up the RiRi episode because
this is where I really fell off the train. first
of all, it's been a while since we've last seen
riri.
>> Will (41:11):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (41:11):
And so in a way I kind of understand especially
if her, her show is finally set
to premiere. Like why, like hey,
viewers, remember this character because you're gonna see her
later. But at the same
time. And you're
right, there was some good premise.
(41:32):
But. But it just.
I was not invested at all. Like
you were supposed to view this episode
as if you were the watcher and just so
heartbroken. And I was just like, I don't care.
>> Will (41:47):
What are you going to.
>> Sarah (41:48):
I do not. I do not. Part of the
reason, I mean. And we're, we have
to really. I can't stress this enough. This
is season three. If
they really wanted to make this episode
a compelling episode, they should
have had a precursor in season
(42:08):
two. They should have the,
the. A show like this can
work if, if you
really have the vision
for a full thing. And I thought
they had that with Captain Carter.
>> Will (42:25):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (42:25):
And that's why I keep going back to. I don't
understand why her, her journey,
her story wasn't more at the forefront.
>> Will (42:34):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (42:34):
And. But now the more we talk about, it's like, oh, they had to
throw in all of these previews for what's ahead with
the new phases and kind of closing this
chapter. But at the same time
it's like
you. There are plenty of characters
that are loved and the reason
(42:56):
why. for me
one of my favorite episodes of season one is
the zombie episode. And I know,
and it's mainly because I will never
forget how,
how there was Spider Man. Peter
Parker says something along the
lines of, of I.
(43:18):
I have to be hopeful because I just
like I've lost so much. I forget
the, forget the, the moments.
But it was such an eye opener for me
to like a character said
something and I've seen this character
in so many narrations. But it's never
occurred to me like this is why he's your
(43:41):
friendly neighborhood Spider man because
he can't think about all of the
loss. And it's just, it was so moving
to me.
>> Will (43:50):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (43:51):
Such a brief moment. And it's just, it's just
like, there. There needed to be more of
that.
>> Will (43:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (43:58):
In three, but also in season two.
>> Will (44:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that. I
remember you bringing that up. And. And, you know,
with. Even last, when we discussed season two, I think that you
brought that same point up. And. And you're right. I mean, I think
that's why I said, I think this. This show,
it's good that they're ending it. because I think
it. It's. It was starting to get to the point of
(44:21):
diminishing returns. and. And I felt like
whenever Captain Carter, by the time we got around to episode
seven and eight, with. Whenever she does
reappear when, the
Watcher, you know, I just felt it. Felt it felt
tacked on.
>> Sarah (44:36):
Yep.
>> Will (44:36):
and. And I'm like, oh. So it
was like, they. Course. I guess
they're like. I guess they hurt. I guess too many people complained
about Carter, you know, being the
focal point in season two. So then they course. Correct and
go the other extreme and do all these
other things with the. You know, with
Howard Duck and all this other stuff. And then. Oh, yeah,
(44:59):
but by the way, we do need to, like, close the loop on that.
And also, this is to remind everyone Dr.
Strange is his own universe now.
>> Sarah (45:07):
Yeah. For
a moment, I was. I was just
like, oh, we're gonna go back to that story.
I was so happy. And then I was quickly
demised. But, yeah, yeah, it was
completely tacked on, especially considering
her whole introduction is,
(45:29):
the ending of the, I'm blanking
on her name. but from
Guardians, her episode in
season two. Oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Sorry, guys. we
were on a hiatus. Our
listeners are like, yeah, but you guys,
(45:52):
Nova's episode. Her. Her whole, like,
crime. Yeah, that
episode.
>> Will (45:58):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (45:59):
So it's just. Yeah. I mean,
I. Yeah. What if season three
is. Is what it is. and. And I'm kind of
glad we're. We're. We got through it.
there were some gems along the way.
not as much in season three, that is for sure.
But, I think
(46:21):
20, 25, though,
MCU. it'll
be interesting. I don't think it's gonna
be completely all highs,
but I don't think it's gonna be all lows
either. I think it's gonna be.
There's some rocky patches, but, I am looking
forward, to the epic showdown between
(46:42):
Fantastic Four and Superman.
Yeah, we got there. Between now
and then. Somebody please, please put. Put
your mind to work. Okay? You got to Create
the new, the new Barbenheimer. Okay, like,
what is it? What are we calling this thing that's about to
happen? Okay, we've got plenty of time, but
(47:03):
anybody other than me, do your magic.
>> Will (47:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Help us. Yeah, Wordsmith it, y'all.
Wordsmith. And social media will speak. We'll put it out there.
But, yeah, I mean, the other. Yeah, that's
my last thought on what if. And, and I think,
to that. Looking at, looking ahead
to what we're going to get this year as far as
the, Marvel Universe. I, know, I
know things are. The Multiverse saga is slowly
(47:30):
winding down and especially looking
at. But I think for me, the
other thing too, when I was watching this list
is watching this, is that I, I,
I'm, I'm kind of done with the multiverse. I'm ready to move
on to something else.
>> Sarah (47:47):
well, good luck watching RDJ play
Doctor Doom.
>> Will (47:50):
Yeah, I know, I know.
>> Sarah (47:52):
Evans. You know, in some way.
>> Will (47:55):
Yeah, I will say, I will say, as I mentioned to you, you know,
I mentioned earlier while we were talking tonight, I did
watch Creature Commandos. And, and I have to
say, you know, dc, I think DC
Studios, it's going to be, I think they
are going to come out with some good stuff. I
mean, I, I did enjoy the two episodes that I watched
(48:16):
and I'm planning on finishing up that series. And,
yeah, I was just like, I was like watching that and
then I came to this and I was just like, oh, as
far as my animation over the holidays. And I was
just like, there's more times than not, I was like
picking up my phone, seeing what else is on right now. What's going on in the world
right now.
>> Sarah (48:35):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, of course
they're going to be on the upswing. They were on the low
for so long.
>> Will (48:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have nowhere to go but up.
>> Sarah (48:44):
Yeah, they don't really,
I mean. And, MCU has been doing this weird
thing where there's highs and lows and there's, there's
all of these offshoots with Sony
doing what it does and a whole lot
of nothing. but yeah, ah,
2025, looking ahead, which will
(49:06):
go more in depth, within the next few weeks.
but the content
will only get better. granted,
we are going to take a trip back to
2024.
>> Will (49:22):
Because.
>> Sarah (49:22):
I don't know, I don't know. Don't blame us, people.
Blame whoever schedules TV
programming as no ah, one has decided to release
anything good until the end of January. but
more on that later. But, but yeah, we're,
we're going to, we're going to be picking up finally
Invincible, finishing Invincible Season
2. And then for some
(49:45):
God unholy reason, we are
going to finish up the last season
of Cobra, Kai. And
no, no, no, I am, I'm putting my
foot, foot down, Will. I am. M
not, I'm not going to theater to watch
Cobra Kai movie, whatever, whatever that
is. I'm not.
>> Will (50:08):
Don't worry. Yeah, that's a
streaming, streaming one too for me. Yeah.
But, yeah, looking forward to doing our. Yeah,
looking forward to our, TV and movie.
I know we touched on some tonight, but have a deeper dive
next couple weeks.
>> Sarah (50:24):
Yeah. All right, well, on that note, Will, why
don't you tell our listeners where they can find you.
>> Will (50:30):
Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will and Polk
W I L L M P O.
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