92. HOMESCHOOLING 101: DESCHOOLING--2 of 5 (Miniseries)

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Janae Daniels (00:00):
Hello, my friends, welcome to video two of
the how to Homeschool Roadmap Process.
My name is Janae Daniels, I'm the host of
the School to Homeschool podcast and in a
minute I'm going to share our family's
story.
We are not long-term homeschoolers.
I pulled my kids right before two of them
were about to go into high school.
I have two adult kids who went through

(00:22):
public school, and so I'll share my story
in just a moment Before I get into the
video on how did he school and our story
and all of that good stuff.
If you like this video, or if you're
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It helps get this kind of content out there

(00:44):
to other families who need it, and y'all
with as many people who are leaving the
school system to homeschool.
There are a lot of people who need it and
I'd like to help as many people as possible
so it won't be as quite as painful as it
was for our family.
Now, in this video, I'm going to tell you
our story and I'm going to explain what
de-schooling is.

(01:06):
We're going to discuss a little bit about
the history of the education system,
because that is very imperative as you're
going through de-schooling, which nobody
told me.
We're going to discuss the ideas around
education that we've accepted as correct
and truth, so that we can let go of some of

(01:27):
those ideas and those notions, and then
we're going to talk about don'ts as you
de-school, and the do's the things that
you're going to actually do as you
de-school.
So, before I get into the story, though, we
have preconceived ideas about education and

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learning, and they're deeply entrenched in
our culture and in our society.
Unfortunately, these ideas hinder us as we
try to move into a homeschooling lifestyle.
Homeschooling is definitely a lifestyle.
It's not just a practice, but it becomes

(02:10):
very much a lifestyle.
But these ideas, these preconceived ideas,
tend to limit us as we start homeschooling
and tend to cause a lot of people anxiety,
and so we have these ideas and we think
that these are normal thoughts and ideas,
and we're going to get into what those

(02:30):
ideas are a little bit later in the video,
but this is what we were taught, and so
we've come to accept it as just the way
things are.
The thing is that, as we'll discuss, many
of these ideas and these notions were very
carefully engineered and implemented in the
late 19th century and the early 20th

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century, and I think of these ideologies as
shackles that are on our brains that we
need to remove.
And so the de-schooling process is, in my
opinion, is the process of removing some of
these shackles, removing some of these
ideas about what education and learning

(03:13):
should look like versus really what it is,
and so we're going to talk about what those
ideas are and the whole de-schooling
process.
One of the things, again before we get into
it, that I wish someone would have told me

(03:36):
was that I would go through the stages of
grief.
And so, as I started homeschooling and then
realized that we needed to de-school and
I'll tell you our story in a second I
started experiencing, like all the I
started going through the grief cycle and I

(04:01):
thought that there was something wrong with
a lot of families that I've helped
transition out of the school system,
especially with older kids, is that it's
totally normal to go through the grief
cycle.
Not only you go through it, but your older
kids will go, may go through it as well,
and so that is part of the de-schooling

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process is going through the grief cycle,
going through the seven stages of grief, of
shock and denial and pain and guilt and
anger and bargaining and depression and
then there's an upward turn and then a
reconstruction and working through things
and acceptance and hope, like you'll find
that you'll go through these in different
stages.
Even things like you're starting the

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schooling at the beginning of the year
homeschooling at the beginning of the year,
and you see families walking back to school
or driving their kids back to school and
you drive past and you suddenly feel
anxiety around that and you want to vomit.
Nobody told me that I would experience that
and I did for like three years every year,
like school would start back up and I'd be

(05:07):
like, oh my gosh, what am I doing?
I'm just, you know, um, but know that,
anticipate that you may go through that.
You may go through the grief cycle and it's
totally, totally normal, okay, um.
So with that, this is going to be a longer
video, but I I wanted, I want to be as

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helpful as possible.
Again, when I started homeschooling, I
couldn't find anybody who pulled their kids
right before high school, which is the
whole reason I started my podcast, because
I kept getting calls from people about,
like, how do you do this?
I'm pulling my junior from in high school,
from, you know, from public school, and I'm
going to throw up you know, um and so, and,

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and I feel like some of the information
well, it's well intended by longtime
homeschoolers about de-schooling.
Uh, homeschoolers about de-schooling is
well, it's not always great because, I
don't know, I found some of the things not
helpful as somebody pulling older kids.

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So we'll talk about that in a little bit.
But let's get started.
I'm going to share my screen here because I
made a little some visuals for you.
Oops, not that one.
Here we go Okay, deschooling, what is it
and how do we do it?
As I mentioned, I am Janae Daniels.
I'm a wife, a mother of six, a host of the

(06:35):
School to Homeschool podcast.
By the way, if you want lots more
information, I go into a lot more depth and
insight and give you as much as I can
through the podcast and, starting with
episode one, I take you through, like our
journey, which I'm about to tell you a
brief version of this, of our story and and
our journey, and I cover a myriad of

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subjects in the podcast, but the whole
point of the podcast is to help those of us
who are pulling kids, especially older kids.
Um is to help you through the whole process.
So there is the podcast there, um for you
as a reference.
I also have a website, school to
homeschoolcom, with lots of resources and
different things for you to help you, and a

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newsletter that I send out regularly to to
help you in the transition process, because
it doesn't have to be scary and you don't
have to go it alone in the transition
process.
Because it doesn't have to be scary and you
don't have to go it alone.
I am a former public middle school teacher,
which I found was not helpful when we
started homeschooling.
People are like, oh, you'll do great with
homeschooling because you were a former
middle school teacher.
No, it made things harder and we'll talk

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about why.
And I'm a learning junkie as well.
I really love to learn.
However, that got killed in public school
for me and I didn't even realize it until,
honestly, until we started homeschooling
and I realized, oh my gosh, I really love
learning.
I actually didn't have a bad public school
experience either.

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Like, it's not that I hate public school,
because there is definitely a place for it,
you know, and there are families where it's
a necessity.
I get that Right.
So I'm not I'm not hating on public school,
um, but once I did learn the history of it,
I was like oh, this is a little nefarious,
okay, but let's get into.
There's the podcast tile If you need to see
it.
Um, this is my family.

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This is a very old picture.
Uh, this is my family.
I have six kids.
I've got four boys, two girls.
Um, okay, we started homeschooling in
August of 2020.
Um, I actually pulled my kids in July,

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unlike a lot of homeschooling families.
Um, homeschooling was not on my radar ever,
maybe like for half a second, but really I
thought homeschooling families were weird.
As a former public school teacher, I vowed
I would never homeschool my kids and all of
that changed literally overnight.
And all of that changed literally overnight.
Covid hit my kids, finished out the school

(09:09):
year.
I honestly loved all my kids' teachers,
like I never had issues in the school
system with.
Well, okay, there was a couple teachers
that I was like, eh, but in all the years
that my older kids and then the rest of
them were going through school, um, we had
a really most mostly good experience.

(09:30):
There was some bullying with a couple of
kids, but a mostly good experience.
Uh, the administrators were awesome to work
with Mostly.
There was one that it was like um, uh, but
mostly great experience with teachers.
Um, and, and I felt like when COVID hit, we
as we were hanging at home and then the

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kids would go online with their poor
teachers, who had to figure out doing
school online when they weren't trained to
do that, and I felt like my kids' teachers
did such an amazing job with the cards that
they were dealt with, and so I just I was
really proud of them and tried to be as

(10:13):
supportive as possible.
In the meantime, during the rest of the
time that the kids weren't doing the hour
of online school or 20 minutes of online
school we had a lot of fun.
Like we started cooking, we started
listening to audio books, we went on some
hikes, we watched lots of documentaries and

(10:33):
movies.
Like we had such a fun time and I didn't
realize that's, in essence, what we were
doing was homeschooling.
I didn't realize that, but again, the plan
was in the fall.
They were going to go back to school,
hopefully, and and go on.
But on in July, mid July, I ran of 2020, I

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ran into my kid's um school principal and
at Target and I asked him what was going to
happen, because I hadn't heard anything
from the school district.
Um, and I was heavily involved, like I was
a room parent, you know, for my younger
kids, like I, I volunteered, I was heavily
involved in the in the schools, um, and so

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I asked I was like what, what's?
I haven't heard anything from the school
district.
What's going on for the in the fall?
And he's like I have no idea, none of us do.
And um, and I was like, oh, okay, hmm, and
they were.
There was hybrid learning that.

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He was like I don't know if it's going to
be hybrid, I don't know if it's going to be
in person.
I I don't know if it's going to be all
online.
We don't know.
And I could appreciate that, right, nobody
knew what was going on then, none of us,
and so I wasn't angry about that, I wasn't.

(12:01):
I was frustrated, but not at the school or
the administration or the teachers.
I was frustrated with, like the whole
situation, as most people were.
I was frustrated that there wasn't toilet
paper.
Thankfully, I had plenty, but I, you know,
like I was there, everyone had frustration,
so I hadn't experienced, though I'm a
religious person, um, I believe in God, I
believe in Jesus, um, and a couple of weeks

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went by, I guess it was like a week that
went by and I was sitting in church and I
had this overwhelming feeling that I needed
to homeschool the kids.
And, uh, it really jarred me because, again,
I, I wasn't, it wasn't on my radar to
homeschool them, um, but I, I couldn't.

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I went home from church that day.
It was just a thought that came with, like
it was pretty powerful that I needed to
homeschool.
And I approached my husband.
He's like I think it sounds great.
You know, we don't know what's going on
anyway, why not?
I was a little concerned because I was
working part-time online and, um, I, I, I
had a child who was about to go into

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kindergarten.
They were actually gonna be in preschool
one more year and then about to go into
kindergarten.
And I was like I don't, I don't know how to
teach reading, like I was a middle middle.
I'm a secondary ed teacher, although
legally I'm K through 12, licensed in the
state of Colorado.
My specialty is is six through 12.

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And so I thought I, how am I going to teach
this child to read?
What I'm going to do about science, like
all the things?
Like I can't, there's no way I can
homeschool.
So I called all of the homeschoolers that I
knew, um, all three of them, and they were
all long-term homeschoolers.
I'm like I feel like I need to do this and
so, um, you know they try to give some some
advice, but ultimately I didn't.

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I didn't know what to do, um, and then I
the thought it like it could, it wouldn't
go away and I ultimately decided that we ha,
we are gonna, we're going to take the
plunge in homeschool, and I knew nothing
about homeschooling philosophies.

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I knew I knew very few homeschoolers.
I was worried about socialization, because
I had heard all and the only homeschoolers
that I knew growing up there's like two
families and I thought they were super
weird, um, which, by the way, since, being
in the homeschooling world, there's far
more not weird ones than there are weird
ones.
The weird ones just tend to be the loudest
and it's actually not the homeschooling
that makes them weird, it's the parents.

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Apples don't fall far from the tree and if
they're weird at homeschool, they'd be
weird at school too.
But I was really just oh, like I couldn't
shake it and I was scared, and what I
thought homeschooling looked like would be
like doing school at home, like we have all
these curriculums and and we sit for hours

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a day and we do the work, and and I thought
I'm not a math teacher Okay, what am I
going to do?
But ultimately I made the.
You know, with my husband, we made the
decision that that we were going to
homeschool, at least for the first year.
Maybe forever, maybe not, we didn't know.
Um, but it couldn't be any worse than

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online learning, right?
That's that's what I supposed.
I made the decision towards the end of July.
I submit a notice of intent to homeschool
to the school district, and that was the
scariest part, honestly, like turning in
the paperwork, my hands were shaking and I
wanted to cry.

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It was very anticlimactic.
The school district was like, okay, thanks,
took it.
And I'm like before I did that, I looked up
all the laws to make sure I knew you know
what were the laws, cause I wanted to stay
compliant with all the state laws.
So that's the very first thing I did.
Then I submitted my notice of intent to
homeschool, which is one of the things that

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you can do in the state of Colorado, which
is where I'm at to homeschool, submit the
paperwork, and, and I wanted to vomit the
paperwork and I wanted to vomit.
And then I went home that day and just
started looking up how to homeschool and
felt more confused than ever.
I was asking people what curriculum do I

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buy, what do I do?
And then I spent an obscene amount of money
on curriculums for all of the subjects, for
all of the subjects for all of the
different ages and all of the subjects.
At the time, I had a 13 year old, a 12 year
old, and both of them were about to turn um,
14, uh, 14 and 13.
And then I had an eight year old and a four
year old, and so I bought all the.

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I like I bought it all.
I bought it all.
I bought all the curriculums and I spent so
much money.
My husband's like what are you doing?
I'm like, well, we are going to homeschool
and it's going to cost a lot, sorry, um,
we'll figure it out, we'll budget it.
Which, looking back, don't go out and buy
curriculums.
We're going to talk about that in a little

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bit later.
Um, so I planned out a very strict schedule
which is funny because it's very not my
personality a very strict schedule for the
day.
Uh, we're going to do this subject first
and this one second.
This is what we're going to do, and it's
gonna be amazing.
Um, and so that day came and I imagined
myself as being Fraulein, maria and the

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children you know, in matching clothes made
out of drapes.
Uh, I even did a short about this.
Right, that, legitimately, is what I
thought.
I was scared, but I was like it's going to
be amazing, we're going to love it and
we're going to bake bread, um, and I'm
going to.
They're going to love all their curriculums.

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It'd be amazing.
And, uh, it looked, ended up looking more
like a mutiny.
So we start August 17th.
Uh, by an hour and a half into our little
homeschooling journey, the kids were crying.
I was sobbing like ugly, crying.

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Uh, the kids wanted to go back to public
school.
I also wanted them to go back to public
school and it was.
It was a disaster.
I mean, that's an understatement.
I mean it was a mess, explosion disaster,

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like it blew my mind how awful it was.
Um, and then something happened, like we
were just like an hour and a half into
homeschooling it was two hours, it wasn't
very far in and it was a disaster and and
mutiny.
And then there was a knock on the door and
I was homeschooling in the basement.
Then there was a knock on the door and I
was homeschooling in the basement and so I
went upstairs, I opened the door and I had

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totally forgotten that the piano tuner was
coming and I, you know, my face was
splotchy and red and I was trying to wipe
off the snot from crying.
And um, I opened the door and he's like I'm
here to tune the piano and he was my
friend's uh, friend's father, my friend's
father-in-law.
And it's like, come in, go ahead and get

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started.
And I went back downstairs and the kids are
mad and they're upset and they're crying.
And I was like you know what?
We're just gonna?
We're just gonna take a break and and
recompose ourselves, and we'll come back in
10 minutes and continue our lessons.

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And one by one, the kids go upstairs and,
um, and they don't come back downstairs.
And I didn't really want them to come back
downstairs, but then they like, time went
by and they didn't come downstairs.
And I'm like, then they like time went by
and they didn't come downstairs.
And I'm like what is going on?
Are they?
Are they playing video games?
I was, you know.
So I ended up, um, I ended up finally going

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upstairs and y'all.
This is what I saw.
Now, for those of you that are listening to
this and not watching it on YouTube or
watching it on my website.
Um, this is the piano tuner and the kids
are surrounding him.
They're totally focused on him and my
daughter has.

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My kids had gab phones.
I learned the hard way Don't give kids
smartphones.
With my oldest, two life lessons learned.
My younger kids had gab phones.
All they can do is call and text, and they
can only call and text certain people, um,
and.
But they can record.
They can record stuff, and so you can see
that in the picture.
My daughter is recording the piano tuner,

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um, and what amazed me is that they he's
explaining stuff to them Like he's he's
tuning the piano and he's talking to them
about what he's doing.
And they're totally enthralled with this
piano tuner and he's, you know, he has the,
the tuning forks and he's explaining to
them about sound waves and he's explaining

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to them about how the piano works.
And I watched this for a while, like a good
half hour, I'm guessing is how long.
I was just kind of observing and my
daughter's recording him and they're
starting to ask him questions and they're
like, well, what about this?
Well, what happens about this?

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Okay, so the shorter, thinner strings make
higher notes.
Okay, so that makes it a higher frequency.
And he's like, yes, and they're just asking
these really thoughtful science questions
about sound waves and music.
And at first I was pretty angry.

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And at first I was pretty angry,
embarrassingly enough, I was like this is
crap.
They need to be downstairs learning from me
and not up here wasting their time with the
piano tuner.
And then I I stopped and, um, I I was like
what, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a

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minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
Oh, my gosh, they are totally learning and
no one is crying and they're completely
mesmerized by what he's saying to them.

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Mesmerized by what he's saying to them.
Maybe I'm missing the mark with what their
education could be.
And then I started reflecting on all the
things that we learned during that time of
that spring, of COVID, of hiking and
playing the ukulele and different things
that we did as a family and reading, and
I'm like maybe learning looks differently

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than I'm trying to do, like maybe I'm
trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
Uh, so that the rest of the day, uh, we
mostly just played the rest of the time and
and I had to stop.

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And that's when I called my friends and I'm
like, okay, um, I don't know what I did
wrong, but I feel like learning could look
different.
And my friends and I'm like, okay, I don't
know what I did wrong, but I feel like
learning could look different.
And my homeschool friends are like, well,
yeah, did you de-school your kids before
you started homeschooling?
Or like during the process of homeschooling,

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I'm like, well, no, we just jumped into
curriculum.
So like, oh, there's your problem, you
should have de-schooled first.
I'm like what is that?
And they're like it's literally when you do,
you do nothing, and you do no academic,
nothing academic, and you just pretty much
play.
Uh, and it's the.
You know your process of adjustment.
And I'm like, what the heck?

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But we decided to take a step back and go
through the de-schooling process Now, and
I'm just going to go forward with this
slide before I move on.
That was not me.
I was not Fraulein Maria, no, instead, the
piano tuner became Fraulein Maria and they
loved it.
Okay, now, before we get into de-schooling,
you have to understand.
There are two words that are in the
homeschooling community that get confused

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all the time by those who are not in the
homeschooling community Deschooling and
unschooling are two different things, very
different things.
Deschooling is the adjustment process
between, after you've pulled your kids to
living a homeschool lifestyle, and then
unschooling is an educational philosophy or

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methodology, also called child-led learning,
which we will talk about that in the next
video.
But just know that they're not the same
thing, they're different.
Okay, so de-school the official definition
of de-schooling is a period where you do
very little formal work in order to
recalibrate your child's natural love of

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learning.
My definition of de-schooling is the
painful adjustment process of removing the
shackles from our brains while taking our
children's hearts and minds back and
reawakening the wonder within them.
What I've noticed is most kids by the time
they hit fourth grade and I don't say all

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kids because there are some kids that love
school.
I say most kids because that seems to be
the standard of all the children I've
worked with through the years, as well as
kids' friends and having lots of children
Fourth, fifth grade is when kids stop
wanting to go to school, like that's where
the light goes out of their eyes and it

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becomes work and it becomes painful and
they, they, they dread it.
Like they like going to school for their
friends and for their favorite subjects and
for the uh elective courses and the
enrichment courses like art and PE and and
become kind of cynical towards core
subjects like reading, writing, math and

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such, and so de-schooling is that
adjustment process and it's the process of
learning to live a homeschooling lifestyle,
which looks intensely different than public
school, looks intensely different than

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public school.
Okay, like I said, it's the painful
adjustment process of removing the shackles
from our brains.
Now I say that very seriously, um, because,
as I've come to learn, they, these ideas
that I mentioned at the very beginning of
the video, really do become shackles for us.
And so let's talk about the history of the
system just a little bit, so that you

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understand where these shackles come from.
Now it's interesting this past summer I saw
the movie the Matrix for the very first
time.
I have never seen it.
I watched it and I turned to my husband at
the end of the movie and I said that's how
I felt when we were de-schooling.

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Like I felt like I had taken the red pill
and was seeing things for the first time,
um, outside of the Matrix.
And uh, and he's like, yeah, that sounds
about right.
Okay.
So, uh, let me introduce you to John Taylor
Gatto.

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He was a public school teacher of 30 years,
his in the New York school system um his
remaining two years before retirement.
He won New York city teacher of the year
twice um the last two years and then he won
New York state teacher of the year his
final year and then, upon his retirement,

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he wrote a scathing and painful op-ed piece
in the Wall Street Journal about how he
felt like he had done a disadvantage to
kids because of the public school system
and being a teacher in it.
He wrote several books.

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My two favorites are the Weapons of Mass
Instruction and Dumbing Us Down and Dumbing
Us Down Uh, these books were super
important for me as I was um in the process

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of de-schooling my kids and and he talks in
extent about the history of our education
system.
Okay, so if you're going to start with
anything I would suggest most people say
start with dumbing us down.
I actually liked weapons of mass
instruction better, but he talks about the
school system and if you have a spouse or a
family member that's like, why are you
homeschooling?
The school system is so great.

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Have them read his books.
They will change their tunes very, very,
very quickly.
A lot of what he said really resonated with
me as a former public school teacher and I
was like, yeah, no, this is true, that's
true, that's true too, and it was like a
gut punch every chapter, but it was really

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good for me.
Okay, so let's talk about the history of
the system again, because a lot of these
preconceived ideas which we're going to
talk about come as a result of the history
of our system.
Okay, so you have to understand, we didn't
have any compulsory education laws in the

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United States until 1852.
Horace Mann, who is touted as the father of
the US education system, scoured the world
trying to find a system that would
manufacture people who would do what they

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were told, and he settled and found it in
the Prussian model, which was started in
like 1814.
It was after one of the wars that they had
lost, that they had lost Um, and so they

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established a military training that would
teach soldiers not how to think, but be
taught what to think, and learn to do what
they were told and follow absolute orders.
Um, that was the system that he adopted,
and so it was um.
It was rejected by most of the States and
finally he was able to convince
Massachusetts which is where you know was

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what his state was, um to adopt this
Prussian model and start compulsory
education.
The intention was to take uh, to take
control away from the parents, ultimately,
and train children what to think.

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It was intended to separate families, which
I didn't know.
He does talk about this in Weapons of Mass
Instruction and he goes into, like all of
his sources.

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And then, by the late 19th century, we have
some of the titans getting into the
education field with the intention of
creating factory workers.
And so we have this compulsory education
that is meant to be a factory-esque type
system that pumps out people who are
workers and it was never meant to enrich
students, enrich their minds, and it

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progressively got worse.
It starts in 1852 with Massachusetts.
Slowly other states adopt it and then, by
the early 20th century, we have people like
John Dewey and social scientists infusing

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ideologies into the system to train
children to think certain ways, again with
an intention to separate them from families,
to learn to do what they were told, to be
compliant to bosses.
And we see this, and we're going to talk
about this, in some of the shackles and
myths that we have around education that

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have become very ingrained, that we think
are normal, when in actuality, historically,
they're not.
And prior to 1852, um, people were
homeschooling and then they'd send their
kids to common schools which um were
essentially like in.
In the late 1600s a law was passed, the

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Yielded Looter of Satan Act was passed,
where, if there was communities large
enough that made up you know, I think it
was 50 families or more, maybe it was 20
families they had to hire someone to teach
their children how to read.
And so we do get common schools.
In the 1600s, 1700s, early 1800s, most

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people are taught how to read at home, or
they would go to a common school for a
couple years to learn basic arithmetic,
reading and writing, and then, but and it
wasn't like that it was eight hours a day,
it was a few hours a day for a few months,
but they were predominantly at home.
And and then they would learn trades.

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And they would learn, you know, the
different things.
By the time they're 12, 13, like Benjamin
Franklin, only went to two years of formal
schooling and then he, he went into the
printing trade with his brother and then by
the time he's 16, he goes off on his own
and moves to Philadelphia.
Anyway, super fascinating.

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But we didn't have any compulsory education
laws prior to 1852.
And yet to Tocqueville, when he was an
ambassador from France to the United States
comes expecting a bunch of country bumpkins
and finds a country, a new country of very
intelligent and educated people.

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Well, and he was shocked by it.
You can read about more about it in the
democracy in America and he talks about it,
that it shocked him.
And then we get 1852 and progressively, as
people and as a nation, we get dumber and
dumber and dumber and dumber as the years

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go by, thank you to compulsory education.
So let's talk about this a little bit.
John D Rockefeller comes late 19th century
and he says I don't want a nation of
thinkers, I want a nation of workers.
I had to chuckle because last night I was
watching a video and a lady was talking
about how the titans of today have their
hands in everything and how back in the

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1800s that wasn't the case and I had to
laugh.
I'm like this is somebody who's not very
educated on the medical industry, on the
education industry and on pretty much every
other industry, because John D Rockefeller
and Andrew Carnegie had their hands in
everything.
So John D Rockefeller sets up the general
he's the founder of the General Education
Board and he says I don't want a nation of

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thinkers, I want a nation of workers,
because they needed people doing what they
were told in their factories so that they
could manufacture stuff.
And, by the way, this is when we see
consumerism take over in our country and we
go from being a nation of creatives and
creators to a nation of consumers is all
during this period, okay.

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So I promise you're going to this.
This is important that you understand this,
as you're going through the de-schooling
process, and we'll get to how to de-school
in a minute, but it's important that you
understand this.
You have to remove the shackles from your
brain and it takes a while.
So these are some of the shackles.
Okay, you also have to understand that
these people Horace Mann, while he set up a

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compulsory education laws, these people
continued to keep their children at home to
educate them.
They kept their children at home to educate
them.
They did not send their children to the
schools that they were setting up.

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Interesting, okay, we have President
Woodrow Wilson, the 28th president of the
United States, who says we want one class
to have a liberal education, that's, the
elites.
Okay, we want another class, a very much
larger class, of necessity, to forego the

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privilege of a liberal education and fit
themselves to perform specific, difficult
manual tasks.
Did you hear that Everybody else would go
to compulsory school, aka public school, to
learn to perform difficult manual tasks,

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not to learn to think?
We have Elwood P Coverley, stanford's Dean
of Education, public School Administration
1916.
By the way, this is when they start
implementing teachers' colleges where you
have to be a licensed quote a licensed
teacher.

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This is when we start getting all of that.
Late 1800s, early 1900s, because they
wanted to control what teachers taught, how
they taught, what they did.
Like he says, our schools in a sense are
factories in which the raw products or the
children are to be shaped and fashioned
into products to meet the various demands

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of life.
It's the business of school to build its
pupils according to the specifications laid
down.
Every manufacturing establishment that
turns out a standard product or series of
products of any kind maintains a force of
efficiency, experts to study methods and
procedure and to measure and test the
output of its works.
Building pupils demands continuous

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measurement of production to see if it is
according to the specifications and the
elimination of waste in manufacture.
Again, they wanted a conveyor belt
education so that they could produce
workers.
He continues each year the child is coming
to belong more to the state and less and

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less to the parent.
By the way, we have a lot of these people
are very entrenched in um by this period,
into the ideas of Marxism.
Okay, you need to understand that too.
Okay, then we have Edward Ross.
He's a sociologist and a social controller.
He helps with the education system and

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setting things up and and what's being
taught and teachers', colleges, et cetera.
Plans are underway to replace community,
family and church with propaganda, mass
education and mass media.
Okay, all right, so let's talk about so.

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So here we have some very nefarious things
going on Again.
This really, um, for me, was mind blowing
and really shook me to the core, because I
have always touted the need for stay in
school and public education and it's so
great, and finding out that the purpose
behind it was to dumb our children down and

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dumb me down and dumb my family down and
separate families made me sick to my
stomach, y'all.
Okay, so let's talk about shackles to be
removed.
These are some of the things that were
implemented and myths that have been sold
to us as good things that are bad ideas,

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but we've come to believe that they're good
and you'll see that, especially as you
enter into this homeschooling world, that
people will say things and they'll push
things, thinking that they're good, because
they don't understand that there are
shackles on their brains that were
engineered to be there.

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Because we are entrenched in a system that
is now almost a couple of hundred years old.
Let's see a hundred, entrenched in a system
that is now almost a couple of hundred
years old.
Let's see a hundred.
It's all.
It's almost 200 years old.
Right that this has become ingrained in us,
but it's not true.
So here's some of the shackles.
Here's the, the red pill.
I'm about to give it to you.
Here we go.
Number one I am not capable of teaching my

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children.
I am not a licensed teacher.
Again, they engineered this teacher's
colleges so that they could control the
students when, for thousands of years,
children were taught by their mamas and
they were educated by their papas.
And Benjamin Franklin only went to a common

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school for two years, from the ages of
eight to 10.
And yet he was brilliant.
And he's not the only one.
He is not the only one.
We can look at Thomas Edison and George
Washington, and we can look at all these
other people, albert Einstein and all these
geniuses that were taught by their

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uneducated mamas.
And yet look what happened.
I'm not capable of teaching my children
because I'm not a licensed teacher.
Y'all, that's a shackle on your brain.
That idea is a shackle.
And, by the way, one-on-one instruction

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will trump one-on-32 instruction a hundred
percent of the time.
When I was teaching school, I had 150 kids
a day.
There was no way I could meet all of the

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needs of all of those kids every day.
But as a mom or a dad or a grandma or a
grandpa, or if you're an auntie that's
taxed with homeschooling these kids, you
can, because it's one on one and, by the
way, you know them better, you love them
more, you have more invested with their

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outcome than any other person will, even
the most well-intending teacher and this is
not a diss on teachers.
They are overworked, they are underpaid,
they are tired, their class sizes are
busting at the seams and they are forced to
teach to tests.
So that's the first shackle you have to

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remove from your brain.
Is that you are not capable, because, guess
what, you are a hundred percent capable.
Number two you must be the knower of all of
the things.
That is a myth, y'all.
I outsource math.
My kids do an online math program to learn
math and they're zipping through math and
they're doing great.

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I am not a math teacher, but I don't have
to be because we live in the information
age.
Youtube university has taught me how to
change my air filter on my car right.
Like we live in the information age, you
don't have to be the knower of all the
things, and when you get into the
homeschooling world, you learn very quickly
that you can outsource, you can send your

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kids to enrichment programs where they do
subjects that you're not good at.
You can send your, you can do co-ops with
other parents who are one might be good at
science and one might be good at science,
and one might be good at this and one might
be good at that and you can utilize the
homeschooling community as resources for
you.
You don't have to be the knower of all the
things, nor will you be, because the world

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has so much information there is no
possible way that any person can learn all
of it.
Period.
You don't have to be the knower of all the
things.
There's plenty of resources out there.
Okay, number three children must learn
certain things at certain ages.
This was implemented by the school system.

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This was implemented early on, that
somebody decided that children must learn
certain things at certain ages you are to
stop and go away.
If you bug me one more time, you're
grounded.
Children do not have to learn certain

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things at certain ages.
Somebody decided that.
Somebody arbitrarily said in sixth grade
kids need to learn about Greece and Rome,
and then we get Common Core.
That like makes it even worse.
All fourth graders must learn this at this

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time.
All children must learn math at this time.
The truth is, as human beings, we learn
different things at different stages.
Some children pick up math at a much
earlier age.
Some children it takes longer.
Some children it takes longer to learn to
read and other children it doesn't.

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We learn like as human beings.
We learn at different paces and at
different levels and they don't need to
learn all the same things at the same time.
Peter Gray, who is Dr Peter Gray, who wrote
the book Free to Learn, talks about this.
He's like, first of all, like he says I'm
going to butcher his quote, but it's the

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world is so much filled with so much
information it's impossible for one person
to learn even a slice in their lifetime.
Why is it that we expect all kids to learn
the same slice?
Good question, Okay, it's a myth, it's a
shackle that children must learn certain
things at certain ages.
They don't.

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Okay, another shackle, some more shackles.
Grades matter and they show progress.
No grades were done as carrots and sticks
for extrinsic motivation, to take away
intrinsic motivation, to shove that down.
Fascinating books to read on motivation.
If you read the book Drive by Dan Pink,

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great business book author, right, he talks
about this at the end of his book about the
problems with grades, and there's lots of
other resources to learn about.
Intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation,
y'all.
Grades are arbitrary, they don't matter,
they don't.
Now, if you're pulling your child from high
school and you're like I have to create a
transcript for the child and I for the

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transcript, I need to assign them a grade.
Great, work with them on that.
Assign them a grade, but know for yourself
that grades are arbitrary, they don't.
They don't help kids at all.
A lot of kids learn to which was intended
that they.
They work towards the grade as opposed to
work, working towards learning.
And then you've got those kids that don't

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care about grades and they end up failing
everything.
And then they're labeled as problematic,
adhd, all the things.
And then they start to believe that they're
stupid because they don't have good grades
and grades become the end.
Become the end as opposed to the means to
the end, as opposed to it being a data
point, it becomes the end, all be all.

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But it doesn't really demonstrate any
actual learning.
Right, it doesn't.
Testing shows that a child is learning.
That is a shackle.
If I test this child and they don't do well
in it, then they're not learning.
Now there are places for some tests.
Like my children will take some tests on
math problems and they're not really tests,
but like they'll get math problems wrong,

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and that enables me to go back and go oh,
okay, so it looks like we need to learn a
little bit more about you know, it looks
like you're not understanding, like this
concept.
So that's where testing can be helpful.
But to say, okay, here's a multiple choice
test, can you regurgitate the things that I

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just said or that this book said, it
actually doesn't do any good for them
because they might have learned something
else, they might have gleaned something
else.
Now are there some state laws that require
you to do national and state testing?
Yes, some states do require that.
It's fine.
What I found is that children who don't

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regularly test still do fine on those tests.
Does that make sense Like, and a lot of
times like, they won't have test anxiety
because they're it's not a normal thing
that they do.
They go in and it's just, you know, um, but
but it's.
It's a shackle to believe that testing
actually shows that a child is actually
learning anything.
It's not, it's only showing that they can

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regurgitate information.
Except for in the case of the parts of math
where you go okay, I see, where you're not
understanding this concept.
Let's go back and work on this until you
master the subject.
That's again a thing with grades where I'm
like, if my kids get stuff wrong, I'm not
like, well, you got a 70.
Let's factor that in and I'm like, no,
we're going to work on this until you
understand the concept and then we'll move

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on.
Okay, uh.
Next thing it's right for children to be
with peers all day.
This idea of socialization, like they're
not going to be socialized if they're not
with their peers all day.
This is actually a 200 year construct.
My friends prior to this, children of all
ages interacted all the time and it's not
natural in the real world.
Think about this when you went into the

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real world, when you went for those of you
who went off to college or trade school or
just started working, how many of you were
with peers your exact same age?
I'll tell you for me, when I went to
college, I was an 18-year-old at college
and I was in college with non-traditional
students that were in their 40s.
I was in college with students that were in

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their late 20s.
I was with married people.
I was with single people.
I like I wasn't with all other 18 year olds.
There were some 18 year olds in my grade,
like in my classes, but that wasn't the
norm, like everyone wasn't wasn't the norm.

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Like everyone wasn't.
Um, and when I certainly when I went into
the workforce I wasn't with all other
people my exact age.
Um, it's actually stifling for them to be
with peers all day with their exact same
age peers.
One thing that amazed me is watching
homeschooling families, like I love.
I love this.

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This happened a couple of years ago.
My kids do what's called an enrichment
program on Fridays, so they go all day to
one program and the program is like for my
daughter it's my 16 year old um, her, she
goes to an arts program where they, every
Friday, they work on a show that they're
going to be doing at the end of the year

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and they work on the costumes and the sets
and and it's grades nine through 12 for
this particular program, the show that
they're working on, um.
And then the same program has stuff for
younger kids, you know, you know the the K
through third grade and they have.
So they have a mixture of kids and so the
kids are in mostly mixed ages.
So I went to this picnic for the whole

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thing, cause it's quite, it's quite a large
enrichment program.
I went to to their picnic that they had at
the end of the year and I was amazed
because the teenagers were all playing
volleyball and face painting, all of the
younger kids, and it was totally natural,
like they didn't go off and just become a

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clicky little groups and then the kid, you
know, like all of the ages were playing
together and that was normal, like that's
normal in the homeschooling world.
That's normal historically for thousands of
years, but due to compulsory education,
that's not been normal for the last 200

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years.
Now we see multi-age mixing as being weird,
when in fact it's been the typical thing
for thousands of years up until we see this
advent of compulsory education.
Well, and it's not even until the 20th
century that we start seeing like the

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division of ages and grades and kids into
grade levels, because they had the one room
schoolhouse up until like the 1920s, where
the kids were all mixed, and twenties,
where the kids were all were all mixed.
Um, so, again, a little bit nefarious, but
it's.
It's not like that was a shackle that had
to be taken off my brain.

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Um, my kids have friends that are much
older and much younger and everything in
between, and, by the way, they still have
their public school friends too.
Okay, we need to know all the subjects
prescribed by the education system to be
well-rounded.
Okay, that was totally done on purpose so
that no children would deep dive into

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subjects.
Again, they're trying to create a conveyor
belt education system that pumps out
workers that will do what they're told.
And we still see that.
We see that in the workforce.
Okay, if I homeschool, my child will not go
to college Totally a myth.
Uh, every homeschooler that I can think of
and I know a lot of them now all of their

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kids have gone to college.
Well, some of them gone to trade school.
Um, but not problems getting into colleges.
You do have to prepare based on what the
different universities you want to apply
for look for, like in the high school years.
You prepare them for that.
But totally not true that you can't get

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into colleges.
As a matter of fact, on my podcast I
interviewed a girl who's a junior at
Harvard and she said that admissions told
her when she was in her interview phase
that they preferred homeschooling kids
because they could think on their own and
didn't always, like they were able to be
free thinkers and didn't do what they were

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told all the time, like that they were able
to think, which I thought was really
fascinating.
Um, so, yes, your kids can go to college,
like it all depends on the college
requirements and then you prepare for that.
Okay, totally a myth.
But people perpetuate that myth all the
time because they don't know.
Uh, next one schooling should take hours.
Another shackle schooling education does

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not take hours and it's a myth that the
longer that they're, the more hours that
they have that, the more they learn.
Totally not true.
My children and you think about this.
In the public school system.
How much time is wasted, like I like,
between classes and right.
Um, transition periods, like actual
education doesn't take that long.

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Like learning the core subjects.
My kids spend like 15 minutes on math and
they zip through it.
I have a 12 year old who is in who's in
geometry right now and he zips through.
He zips through his lessons.
Where in the the school system they have to.
They have to go at the pace of the slowest
person and even then sometimes if the
slowest person's too slow, they just keep

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going.
But they have to keep a pace and they're
required to keep a pace and they have to
fit all the subjects in and so it takes
them hours, when in homeschooling really
only takes a couple hours.
Shocker, and every person that I've helped
leave the system is like whoa.
It blew my brain how fast this was and I
felt guilty that it didn't take us that
long.
But system is like whoa.

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It blew my brain how fast this was and I
felt guilty that it didn't take us that
long.
But you also have to remember that
schooling doesn't always look like bookwork.
Oh, no, no, no, think about the piano tuner.
Right, my kids were learning all about
sound waves and there was not a textbook
involved, there was not a desk involved,
there was not a workbook involved.
But yet if you ask my kids about sound
waves now, they can still tell you what
they learned four and a half years ago.

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Okay, so it doesn't need to take hours, it
can be super fast.
Okay, subjects should be taught
individually.
This is another shackle that, again, all of
these things were instituted.
They were manufactured, they were
engineered to create factory workers, to
create people who would not think on their
own, and so one of the things that they did
do is they separated the subjects, whereas

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in life, subjects are integrated.
Right, music involves math, music involves
science.
Subjects are integrated, but by separating
the subjects, it causes confusion in the
brain.
For the kids, which I didn't know that
until I started deep diving in the brain.
For the kids, which I didn't know that
until I started deep diving into the
history of the system and found out that's
one thing, um, but like, let's say, you go,

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you go to the zoo with your kids and you
watch them feeding the animals, um, you're,
you're learning about science, you are
learning about math, as they taught, you
know, as, like they're like, oh, these
animals require this much and they weigh
that much, and you know, this is how much
food they they get.
Like, they're the.
The subjects are integrated.

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When you cook, you're doing science and
you're doing math and you're also doing art.
Right, like so.
So you have to understand like that.
That shift in.
It has to look like this the subjects have
to be separated.
You can take that out of your brain, right?
That's a shackle you can take off your
brain.
Uh, learning must involve a textbook,
worksheets and a desk.

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Usually it doesn't.
Now, do some kids love worksheets?
Sure, yeah, fine, use them.
But learning doesn't have to involve that.
Think back on the piano tuner Didn't use a
textbook, didn't have worksheets, they
weren't sitting at a desk, and yet they can
tell you about sound waves four and a half
years later.
My kids will not have any friends if they

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aren't in school.
They will be weird.
Um, what shocked me was that the
homeschooling community, like my kids,
ended up making more friends.
This is the one thing is that's a little
bit trickier is when you send them to
school, they're surrounded by kids, but

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that doesn't necessarily make you know,
enable them to make friends.
When my daughter, who's now 16, when we
pulled her, her little best friend at
school's mom, called me a few weeks later
and she's like my daughter, like your
daughter, was my daughter's only friend and
now she has no friends, right, and she's in
a school of hundreds of kids.

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The thing with homeschooling is you do have
to, as a parent, like, make efforts to get
them in extracurricular activities, make
efforts to enroll them in co-ops or
enrichment programs, and so there's more

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effort on not always, but a lot of times
they become friends with each other and
it's really beautiful to watch.
Uh, okay, homeschool kids don't get into
college I repeated that and there's more
shackles.
There's more shackles.
Um, that's the blue pill.
Okay, that's staying in the matrix.
That's the blue pill, okay, that's staying

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in the matrix.
That's uh, those, these ideas we have,
they're ingrained in us.
And so now, during this time that we start
to homeschool, we're going to have to let
some of those remove, some of those
shackles.
Again, you're going to go through the grief
process.
You're going to cry, you're going to have
anxiety totally normal, it's okay.
Uh, and people are going to challenge you
because're going to have anxiety Totally

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normal, it's okay.
And people are going to challenge you
because they haven't taken the red pill,
because they're still in the matrix.
Okay, so let's talk about the red pill In
de-schooling.
There's four objectives that we're going to
work on, okay, four things that we want to

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do while we de-school.
The first thing is we want to reestablish
relationship and connection with our kids.
We want to get their hearts back.
It has become a belief in our society Again.
This is another shackle, by the way, that
as pure teens get older, that they rebel
against their parents and they push away.

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Get older, that they rebel against their
parents and they push away.
That's actually false.
You can have teenagers that don't rebel.
In the book Hold On to your Kids by Dr
Gordon Neufeld, he is an attachment
psychologist.
He's a world-renowned attachment
psychologist.
He discusses peer orientation versus parent
orientation, where it's very unnatural for
children to want to be with peers all the
time.

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Like historically it's unnatural.
It's only been since the in the last four
generations that we see a shift and this
advent of adolescence and their own culture,
which again, now we're 40 years in and we
think that's you know, or four generations
in and we think that's you know, or four
generations in and we think that's normal.
With homeschooling, we want to take their
hearts back.

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We want them to have a strong connection
and relationship with us as parents, with
their family.
Okay, and it's possible to do.
I didn't think it was possible and it is.
So that's the first thing that that part of
the de-schooling process is reestablishing

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that relationship, that connection.
Number two is to remove shackles off your
own brain Okay, um, and off the brains, and
you're going to have to help your teenage
kids because they've got the shackles on
too by fourth and fifth grade.
Those shackles are on their brains and we
just talked about all those shackles.
Number three we want to help them heal from

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trauma Y'all.
I cannot tell you how many parents have
messaged me about bullying that's happened
to their kids from peers, sometimes
tragically, even from some of the adults
and the teachers in their school.

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Kids who have come to believe that they're
stupid.
Kids who have come to believe that there's
something wrong with them and they need
meds because they're wiggly and they're
boys and they're kids, or they're stupid
because they're, or they're stupid because
they.
They're not good at math, because they
didn't understand the way that their
teachers taught it Right.

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There is tremendous trauma that they have
to heal from and the de-schooling process
is part of like.
Part of that is to help them heal.
And then number four is to help reawaken
their natural wonder and give them the time
and space to discover and rediscover their

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interest and rediscover that they are, that
they were meant to create, that they were
meant to be curious, that they were meant
to love learning right, it's in us to love
learning and unfortunately, they've been
taught that it's treachery, okay, okay.
So most long-term homeschoolers would say,

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when you de-school, you literally do no
academic work, you just play with the kids
and you have fun and you do cool things.
And, yes, that's true that you do cool
things.
What I found to be very, very, very
problematic is that, um, when you pull your

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kids, when they're older, to go from heavy
academics to no academics makes you want to
hurl and causes a lot of cognitive
dissonance, um, causes a lot of anxiety and
so just going cold Turkey.
I found that I couldn't do that.
I found that to be very bad.

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Uh, advice, um, but it's true, you want to
do very few academics?
Okay, and I've limited to you do, every day,
for several months, you're going to do
reading, writing and a little bit of math,
and you're not even going to do very much
of it, like, we're talking like 10 minutes

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of each subjects, tops, you know, um, and
so to start off your, your, your
de-schooling journey, what you're going to
first do is I want you, because you want,
to acknowledge your kids the things that
they're going to miss and the things that
they're not going to miss, because this is
a transition for them.
This is a transition for you.
So the first thing you're going to do is

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you're going to have them list everything
that they're going to miss about school.
They might miss their friends, they might
miss certain subjects, they might miss
playing soccer at lunch or whatever.
So have them list, all acknowledge, the
things that they're going to miss.
Then, number two, I want you to have them
list out things that they won't miss about

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school.
Now, as I've had parents do this exercise,
stuff has come up that was heartbreaking
for some of these parents, that they had no
idea what was going on with their kids.
One mom told me that her 13 year old
daughter, on the list of things that they
wouldn't miss about school, included I

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won't miss eating lunch in the bathroom.
And her mom said why would you eat lunch in
the bathroom and how long has this been
going on?
And her daughter said for two years.

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She would go into the lunchroom and she had
no friends, and then there were some kids
who made fun of her, so she would take her
lunch into the bathroom to eat her lunch
for two years.
She said Mom, I will never miss that.

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Okay, it broke that mom's heart.
And when they get tempted to say, maybe I
do want to go back to school because they
will, they'll be like, oh, maybe I want to
go back to school, you just say do you
remember when you were eating lunch in the

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bathroom?
And it takes your kids back to go oh yeah,
I don't miss that, I forgot.
I forgot how bad it was.
They'll remember the good, but they have a
hard time remembering the bad.
Okay, and then the third thing that you
want them to do, to and this and some for
some kids this is really tough.

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Um, because it's it's kind of been beaten
out of them that they have their own
interests is you write down things that
they want to learn about.
Do they want to learn more about Minecraft?
Do they want to learn about coding?
And I'm not talking like do they want to
learn more math?
What things interest them?
Do they want to learn about horses?
Do they like fairy tales?
Do they want to learn more about mythology?

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What things are interesting to them?
And have them write those things down,
because then you know you have a little bit
of springboard during the de-schooling
process and after, to work in some of those
things that they're interested in and to
awaken wonder within them again.
Okay, so do not start buying.

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Like you learn the state laws.
Don't buy curriculums, my friend.
Don't.
Don't do it.
You need to.
You'll need to learn the philosophies.
In the next video, we'll talk about
different homeschooling methodologies and
philosophies and ways that you can
homeschool Um, and that will dictate
whether or not you even buy curriculums.
Okay, don't go start buying curriculums.
Number one you're going to spend a lot of

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money and you might buy some and then be
like, oh, it worked for that family and
we're one lesson in and I just spent $200
on this and they hate it and I hate it.
And now we've we're out that money, Um,
don't start buying curriculum.
Do not check your public school state

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standards.
Homeschooling laws yes.
Homeschooling standards yes, Know those.
But don't look up the public school
standards because they most likely will be
different and they will cause you anxiety
and they will freak you out.
Don't go there.
Look up the homeschooling laws, but don't
look up the public schooling standards.
Most of the time they're very, very
different.
Let me give you a for instance In the state
of Colorado.
If I look at fourth grade state standards

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for fourth grade I have 400 pages of
expectations and requirements of things
that the children in fourth grade are
supposed to learn, and hundreds of pages.
Right, I did that and I wanted to vomit.
And then I went to the homeschooling
standards and it was literally one
paragraph for all of the grades and it was
children must learn reading, writing, math,

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science, government, constitution, and I
think it was oral speaking.
I'm missing one History.
That's it.
It doesn't dictate when and how, and
there's a lot of freedom.
There's a lot of freedom, Okay.
There's far more freedom for homeschoolers

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than you think there is, okay.
And then do not expect to do hours of book
work a day.
You will have a mutiny on your hands, you
will hate your life and then you will say I
should probably send my kids back to public
school.
Don't do that Number.
The next one do not turn your house into a
public school.
There is no need for you to spend money on
desks when you have a kitchen table, a
couch, a floor and the stairs.

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Now there's lots of homeschooling
influencers on Instagram who have the most
beautiful homeschooling rooms you've ever
seen, and you're going to feel anxiety and
be like I don't have any more space.
What am I going to do?
Do I transform my garage into a
homeschooling space?
No, y'all.
You have a couch, you have a kitchen table,

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you have a floor, you have stairs.
My kids will study on the stairs sometimes.
That's all you need.
Do you have somewhere that they can sit and
read?
Then you're good.
Kitchen table works.
Uh, don't worry about your child getting
behind, behind who and behind what.
And, by the way, if you're in a situation

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where, like I, have to put them back into
public school for whatever reason, um, most
likely they won't be behind, they'll be
ahead.
But number two, um, even if they are behind,
they can get caught up pretty stinking
quickly.
So, because I've seen that happen, where
they're like, oh my gosh, you know, I have
to take a job and I can't homeschool

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anymore, or whatever you know, I've seen
things happen where parents had to put
their kids back in for some reason, and
then they were surprised at how far ahead
their kids were, and in one case, their
child was behind and it took them like less
than a month to get the child to get caught
up.
So don't worry about them being behind.
They are where they are, don't worry about

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grades, testing and quizzes other than
whatever the state law dictates.
So if you have to worry about, like, taking
a national test or, you know, a state
standardized test, that's the only time
you're going to worry about it.
But, or if they're in high school and you
need to assign them a grade for their high
school transcript that you're creating,
that's the only time you're going to really
worry about grades and quizzes.

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But, but beyond that, you don't.
You don't need to worry about like, oh my
gosh, I have to grade them, I have to.
What am I going to do?
Just let it go.
Let it go.
Let it go, take off the shackle.
Um, do, here we go.
Here are the things that you're going to do.
Again, you're you're moving into the
homeschooling world.
You're going to do very little in the form
of formal academics, and just a second I'm

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going to talk about the formal academics
that you are going to do.
But you, it's not going to look like you're
replicating school at home, because
learning doesn't necessarily look like
textbooks.
Okay, you think about how you learn, right,
if you want to learn something, you will

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learn it.
I had to change the air filter on my car.
By golly.
I learned it in 20 minutes, thank you to
YouTube University how to change the air
filter on my car and it did not require me
to use a textbook.
Okay, you do want to focus on putting the
relationship first.
Relationship comes before everything else,
it comes before academics, it comes before,

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it comes before everything else.
Your objective is to get their hearts back.
It's like put that relationship first and
be very patient with them.
Do meet them where they are.
If they were failing in algebra and you
pull them out of the school system, do not

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stick them back into algebra.
Take some time to discover where they were
struggling and why, and then, as you do
have them, do some math.
Meet them where they are.
I just worked with a family who pulled
their kids at the end of this last year and
their daughter.
This was the situation.
This is the exact situation.
This is real Daughters.

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A sophomore in high school struggled with
math her whole life, took her out of
algebra.
She was failing, failing, failing.
They kept moving her on, kept failing.
School system kept moving her on, kept
failing.
Starts homeschooling.
Her mom is like, okay, let's start with
algebra.
No, no, no, no, we can't start with algebra.
Where are you struggling, finds that she

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struggles with division, goes back and she
puts her.
She's like is it wrong that I'm putting her
in fourth grade math?
I said no, not at all.
Puts her in fourth grade math.
She zips through it in a few weeks and
suddenly, guess what she can do.

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She figured out the algebra.
Why?
Because that mom took the time to meet her
where she was and, instead of forcing her
to be at grade level with her peers, took
the time to meet her where she was, figured
out where she was struggling and then she

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was able to speed up what, as a mom, you
can do that.
Okay, do slow down.
I love the saying we slow down to go smooth
and when we go smooth, we end up going fast.
Okay, but slow down, you can sleep in.

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You can adjust your schedule to fit the
needs of your family when you homeschool.
That's the beautiful part of homeschooling.
Do you have kids that like to sleep later,
that need more sleep?
Great, they can sleep later if that's part
of your family culture.
Right.
You want your homeschool to revolve around
you, of your family culture, right, you can.
You want your homeschool to revolve around
you and your family culture and the needs

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of your family and your children and you
can slow way down and it's beautiful.
You don't have to wake up at 6 am and rush
out the door by seven to get them to school.
You could start school at 10 o'clock.
You could start school at one o'clock.
You could start school at one o'clock.
It doesn't really matter, it's your
homeschool.
Okay, do read aloud together.

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This is something that totally shocked me.
In the homeschooling world, parents don't
stop reading to their kids.
As soon as their kids can read, they
continue to read to them into high school
and y'all reading aloud.
As I've joined this magical Harry Potter
thing world we call homeschooling, reading

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aloud into teen years is totally a staple
for most homeschooling families, and the
research done about reading aloud astounded
me.
So this is something that you're going to
want to do every day with your kids, or try
to do every day.
Maybe it doesn't happen every day.
At first there's going to be a mutiny.
They're going to push back.
Find a great, interesting book to read and

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read aloud with them.
Start with five minutes.
Maybe you get an audio book.
That's fine too, and you listen to it as
you have dinner, or you listen to it as
you're cooking or whatever, but take the
time during this de-schooling period to
read aloud together.
Again, start with a few minutes and then
just work your way up while you're in the
car popping an audio book One of my
family's favorite series of all times.

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It doesn't matter if they're in their
twenties or if they're eight years old.
The Great Brain series by John D Fitzgerald
is hysterical.
We listen to it on Audible books.
Um, so funny.
It's so funny.
Also, anticipate, like, lower reading
levels for kids, like just.

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And if the book's not working for your
family, by the way, uh, move on, choose a
different book.
You don't.
No one says you have to finish the book.
Okay, so read aloud together.
Okay, now again, long time homeschoolers
will say don't do any formal academics at
all, and those of us leaving the system

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cannot do that.
We freak out, we freak out.
So I'm telling you just for your own sanity
and for your own anxiety levels.
These are the three things, the three
academic things that you are going to do
every day, or a little bit each day, or
maybe you do it three times a week, or
maybe you start with one of them and then

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you just slowly increase.
But do a little bit of math each day.
So cooking counts.
Um, if you want to have them do formal math,
um, use Khan Academy or go on YouTube and
have them watch, you know, a math video or
two.
Um, have them measure stuff.

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Uh, for the older kids, again, khan Academy
is free.
You could say, okay, every day, you just
have to do like a five-minute lesson,
10-minute lesson, that's fine, totally
acceptable, okay.
But again, if you just don't do any
academics, I found my kids freaked out,
like my older kids freaked out and I
freaked out.

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So I felt like that was bad advice of, oh,
like, don't do any academics.
No, especially like teenagers, they're like
at the same time, they will resist, like
there will be a love hate relationship.
So don't be shocked if they're like I hate
this, but I have to do some academics, but
I hate this.
Like there is going to be this dance going

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on in their heads and cognitive dissonance
and all this crazy stuff going on in their
heads Totally normal.
Grief cycle totally normal.
Anxiety totally normal, totally normal.
Do have them do a little bit of math each
day, okay.
As far as academics goes, just to take away
some of your anxiety, do have them do a
little bit of reading each day, even if

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that includes reading loud.
Okay, read a little bit of reading each day,
even if that includes reading loud.
Okay, read a little bit each day Again, so
you can check that box in your own brain
that, yes, we are doing academics, no, I'm
not going to die.
Okay, next, do a little bit of writing each
day, so maybe you have them copy.
In the homeschooling world there's a
philosophy called Charlotte Mason and she

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was an educator from the 19th century, and
part of her philosophy is that you had
children.
She would have children.
She didn't have any children of her own,
she was just an educator.
But she would have children copy passages
out of a book so that they would see an
example of good use of sentence structure

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and they, she, could point out the grammar.
And so that's called copy work, where you
literally have them copy sentences out of a
book or out of scripture or out or a poem.
You know they literally copy it down.
Or you have them do narration, where they
orally tell you like you you read a story
and then they orally tell you like you read
a story and then they orally tell you parts

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of the story back.
Or you could do it in writing, where they
write a synopsis of what they just read,
and the other one is dictation, where you
let them see the passage and then you have
them.
You take the passage away and then you read
it slowly to them and repeat it while they

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write down.
You dictate and they write it down, right,
have them do that a little bit each day.
The younger they are, the less they're
going to do so.
Like, like, a third grader might be able to
write a sentence, or a kindergartner might
be able to write a word, whereas a high
schooler might be able to write you know
several paragraphs, middle schooler like a
paragraph, right, um?

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But sometimes you could even set a timer
and be like, okay, we're going to write for
five minutes, um, and then, when the
timer's done, you're going to stop where
you are.
You could even have them.
Be like, okay, like yesterday I said to my
daughter I was like we're going to do it.
She's eight.
I was like we're going to do a free, right,
I want you to write about your perfect,
what a perfect day would look like for you,
which really surprised me.

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She came back with an entire page of what
she wants to do for her birthday, which
would be a perfect day.
And there was in her free right.
I was like there I'm not looking at grammar,
I'm not looking at punctuation, um, I just
want them to learn to love to write again.
And there was literally no punctuation
until the very end.
There was a period right, cause she's in
third grade, like, and I say that with air

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quotes, she's in third grade but and her
spelling was pretty stinking good.
There was some spelling was off, but she
was so excited to write that she would love
to teleport and and and all this stuff.
But you want them to get in the habit of
learning to love to write.
At first there's going to be resistance,

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but again, a little bit like five, 10
minutes tops, that's all.
Read, write, do math, so that your personal
anxiety goes down.
Now, if so, again there it is Read aloud,
write, do a little bit of math, cooking
counts.
Have them write something each day.
Write something each day, okay, and then

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you can check those boxes in your brains
that you're doing enough.
Okay.
Now if you are worried about the other
subjects and you're freaking out like, ah,
someone's going to come and get me because
I'm not following the state standards or I
I have to put something on their transcript
and I'm going to vomit.
Um, and they need to do some sort of

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science.
Then watch a documentary, watch a you know,
a quick video on that subject, read a part
of a book about that subject, and it
doesn't have to do.
You know, it doesn't have to be every day.
You could do it, like on Tuesday, and count
it good, all right.
So that's something in the de-schooling

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process.
You are going to freak out, and so then
just pop in a documentary and you can just
rest assured in your head Okay, we did it.
Um, dues, Okay, allow them time for sleep.
That was one thing that shocked me was how
much my kids wanted to sleep, and sleep
like 12 hours.
They were so used to going to bed at nine

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o'clock and then waking up like at 6am so
that they could be to school by 7.15.
One of the things that experts have found
is that children in the United States are
grossly sleep deprived, like grossly sleep
deprived, grossly sleep deprived.
And one thing that I was also surprised to
learn is that during puberty, the circadian

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rhythm of children changes and they have a
desire to sleep longer and their bodies
naturally want to stay up later, of which,
uh, parents can work to shift that back to
a normal time, but don't be shocked if
they're perpetually tired and if they're
sleeping until like 11 o'clock.
Now again, you can shift that as a parent
and go.

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Okay, you've got to go to bed earlier.
Um, I know you're not tired, um, but just
be aware that that they are sleep deprived
already and that their circadian rhythms as
they're going into puberty is changing.
So be be thoughtful and aware of that and
grace uh, show some grace to your kids Now.
That doesn't mean they have to sleep all

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day, and some of them are going to want to.
You can still set boundaries.
My friends are still parents, um, but do be
aware that they will be tired and totally
normal for them to sleep.
Also, limit screen time.
Um, de-schooling is not I'm going to let
you watch YouTube all day.
That is not de-schooling, that's just

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hanging out, okay, um, so you, it's totally
acceptable for you to limit screen time for
them.
Okay, do allow for time to play.
So, so, as you're going in through this
de-schooling process, where you're
adjusting and you're removing the shackles
off your own brain and you're learning and
reading books yourself, that's one thing

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that you're going to want to do.
You're going to want to read books about
homeschooling and de-schooling and
education, what these things look like.
So that's what you're doing and you're
learning about the different philosophies
and what's out there and what resonates
most with you, some of the others, and then
you're going to do those like three little

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things.
You're going to read a little bit together,
write a little bit, do some math, check
those three boxes.
You're done with your academics.
Then you're going to allow for play and
exploration and boredom, because boredom
breeds brilliance.
Some of the greatest inventions that we
have in this world came as a result of
boredom.
You're going to play with them, you're

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going to learn together.
You're going to play board games.
You're going to play physical games.
You might play video games together.
You're going to cook with them.
You're going to bake with them.
You're going to go to the library with them.
You're going to go to museums and you're
not going to take worksheets to those
museums.
You're going to go and just go to the
museum, just to go to the museum, right,
and you're going to play and you're going

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to get them in nature where they can really
serotonin the little brains, because
they're around trees.
Who knew?
And you're going to go on adventures
together and you're going to go on hikes
and bike rides and museums and parks into
the library.
And when a child asks a random question
like why do we have daylight savings time,
you're going to say I don't know, why don't

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we look it up, and then you're going to
learn together.
Or when the child says how does a cow have
a baby, then you're going to look it up
together and all of it, all of those things
my friends count as learning.
So when your state standards say that you
have to have at least four hours of
learning a day or whatever your state

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expectation and law requires, all of it
counts as learning, all of it.
They're baking it's learning.
They're cooking it.
They're baking it's learning.
They're cooking it's learning.
They're working on a crunch lab box through
Mark Rober it's learning.
They're watching an engineering Mark Rober

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video it's learning.
All of it counts as learning.
We have to remove the shackle that learning
looks like textbooks and worksheets and
quizzes.
That is a shackle that we have to remove
and it takes time to remove.
You also need to expect that there are
gonna be hard days.
You are going to be going through the grief

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cycle.
It's totally normal.
Don't be afraid of that.
There will be days that they're gonna cry
and say I think I wanna go back to school.
There are gonna be days that they're like
my friends are going to cry and say I think
I want to go back to school.
There are going to be days that they're
like my friends are going to prom.
Huh, expect that.
Oh, and, by the way, by the way, I that was

(01:28:12):
one thing that I actually mourned Like I
found myself grieving over the things that
my kids would miss out, like the homecoming
dances, like prom.
Even though my prom was not great, um, like
it was kind of lame.
I liked my, my date and I were good friends,
but it was like we weren't boyfriend,
girlfriend, we were friends, but it was
kind of like it was a lame dance, um, but

(01:28:36):
my kids have actually gone, like my
teenagers have now gone to homecoming.
My son this year went to three different
homecomings in three different school
districts this year with public school kids
because the girls didn't have dates right.
So here I had mourned my kids missing out
on these things and then they didn't.

(01:28:58):
But there have been, and there still are,
hard days.
The month of February for all homeschoolers
is a tough month because it's just the
winter and it's it's just longer and in
some areas it's really cold, right, there
are going to be hard days and you have to
expect that not everything is going to be
sunshine and sprinkles and and unicorn
farts.

(01:29:19):
Okay, like, there are going to be hard days,
it's totally normal.
There's going to be hard days with your
kids.
There's going to be days that it's going to
be like pulling teeth to get them to do a
little bit of math and on those days, guess
what you do?
You put it away and you don't do it and
it's okay, it's fine.
There's going to be days that your dog dies

(01:29:40):
and you don't do any formal schooling, work,
school work at all, and it's okay because
some days are hard and you can adjust.
And it's okay because you're homeschooling
and it's part of your lifestyle.
Okay, how does a child spell love?
They spell it T-I-M-E.

(01:30:00):
They need you, they need your time.
My friends, I love this Um.
Last year this mom started her
homeschooling journey with her kids.
Okay, and I had been working with her um to
help her transition.
Her, her oldest daughter one, hadn't

(01:30:20):
graduated, but the rest she was pulling and
she was really, really scared and they went
through the de-schooling process, I said
Tasha, just do reading, writing, math.
That's just an a little bit, a little bit.
And and then the rest of the time, have
them focus on the things that they want to
learn about.
Like, do they do they want?
Like this morning, my daughter wanted to
build this structure for this thing that

(01:30:41):
we're doing tomorrow night and she spent
three hours building this thing.
Right, and I let her right.
She got her stuff done so fast and I'm like
fine, not a big deal.
Okay, this is this is the message that I
got from from Tasha.
She said we're easing into it.
Okay, okay, so they've just started the
de-schooling process, like the month before
they started.

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This is like late January.
They pulled their kids right at Christmas
and she said we're easing into it.
So I've had to tell them that they'd be
doing more as we get going and figure out
what works and what doesn't.
It was refreshing to sit down with my son
who burst into tears as he couldn't
complete a math problem to get the right
answer.

(01:31:22):
It gave me an opportunity to love on him
and help him get on track with his emotions,
more than the right answer.
We just put it away for the day and told
him we would visit again the next day.
That is de-schooling, that is homeschooling,

(01:31:47):
homeschooling, that is homeschooling.
That's what happens is when you can make
adjustments and put things away if you need
to.
That's a shackle that we have to take off
our brains.
Is that things have to be a certain way.
They don't, and learning looks different
for everybody.
Okay Rule this is kind of a general rule of
thumb for every year that a child is in
school, give them at least a month to

(01:32:08):
de-school, at least a month for them to
adjust.
Now, for those of you that are pulling
teenagers, you don't have as much time and
in many cases, the teens, a lot of the
teens, feel a lot of pressure.
I've worked with a lot of families who
pulled their older teens and what happens
is they're like okay, I'm planning to go

(01:32:29):
get, you know, I'm applying for this
college and I feel this stress and pressure
to finish, um, these, these classes or
these things.
And so what?
My suggestion for those because you don't
have time to just do read, write, math
right, especially if they have to finish
certain classes.
So, for the older teens, do the bare

(01:32:49):
minimum of the subjects that they are
required to finish for their transcripts
for the universities that they want to get
into.
If that's what their plan is, okay.
So, for example, one mom I was talking to,
the son still needed a business credit.
And he was 16 and he's like, okay, I need a
business credit, I need a science credit
and I need this.
And so what they ended up doing was watched

(01:33:11):
science YouTube videos.
And then for business, his dad is a
businessman, so he got his favorite
business books and said, okay, kiddo, we're
going to read these business books.
And he still had a math.
We're going to read these business books.
And he still had a math credit to finish.
And so they actually just went through Khan
Academy and finished whatever math he had,
and he was able to get through school like

(01:33:33):
in two hours a day.
And then the son was like, oh, but I also
play basketball for the public school still,
and they're in Colorado and so in our state,
by law, homeschool kids are allowed to play
school sports, like they cannot be denied.
That that's not the case in every state.
But the son was like, okay, I knocked out

(01:33:53):
my, the academics that I have to have for
my transcript for the university I plan on
going to, and now then he was able to spend
like four hours a day while everyone else
was still at school to work on practice.
But he was like I have to get through these
academics.
So for the teenagers, many of them will not
have the opportunity to quite de-school,

(01:34:15):
but you can find that you can grossly pull
back the academics and the academics don't
have to take hours and hours, and hours.
So just be totally aware of that.
Like, if you have to check the boxes for
the state, do whatever't have to take hours
and hours and hours.
So just be totally aware of that.
Like, if you have to check the boxes for
the state, do whatever you have to.
But again, minimal, minimal, minimum
requirements during the de-schooling
process Minimum minimum amount of time,

(01:34:36):
just enough so you like.
Okay, I did it Okay.
So give yourself and them time and grace.
My friends, you're going to mess up a lot
and it's totally cool.
It's okay.
We learn through our failures.
They're going to mess up and it's okay.
You are not going to screw up your kids.

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I promise you're not going to screw them up.
Be patient with them and, more importantly,
be patient with yourself.
Allow yourself that grieving time.
Allow yourself to go through the grief
process, allow yourself to rediscover a
love of learning with them and learn
alongside with them.

(01:35:20):
It's kind of fun.
It's kind of fun to regain that love of
learning.
Okay, books to help you get started.
Now, one I forgot to put on the list is
free to learn by Dr Peter Gray.
I also had him on the podcast in November
of 2024.
So you can look that up.
Fabulous, um, he is an expert in play and

(01:35:42):
child development.
Um, he is a a developmental psychologist.
So free to learn.
I forgot that book.
Um, some good books for you to get started
Weapons of Mass Instruction by John Taylor
Gatto.
Dumbing Us Down by John Taylor Gatto.
Hold On to your Kids by Dr Gordon Neufeld.
I've referenced all three of these already.

(01:36:02):
Um, that one's about attachment and
attachment psychology.
I wish I had read it as a young mom, even
in the public school system.
I wish I would have read it.
The Brave Learner by Julie Bogart Y'all,
that one's a super fun read and less heavy
than the others.

(01:36:23):
That one inspired me to be excited about
the possibilities of homeschooling.
So Brave Learner is fabulous.
Unschooled by Carrie McDonald she talks
about the unschooling philosophy, but she
also talks about, like, natural ways of
learning Super good.
So those are some books to get you started

(01:36:45):
that I highly, highly recommend.
Those books helped me start to remove the
shackles off my brain during this very
scary de-schooling process and then it
started becoming really fun.
The whole process became fun the more that
we got into it and as I got over the grief
cycle.
Okay, y'all, you got this.
Now this was super long, almost an hour and

(01:37:07):
40 minutes.
You got this.
You have any questions?
Hit me up on Instagram or we have a private
Facebook page.
School to homeschool.
You can go to my website, school to
homeschoolcom.
You can email me.
It is my email.
I'm the one who gets it.
Um, school to homeschool one at gmailcom.
But let's start the de-schooling process
Now.
Part of the de-schooling process is

(01:37:28):
learning different philosophies and
methodologies that homeschoolers employ to
teach their children, and it doesn't have
to look like public school and children
learn in the coolest ways, like at museums
or hands-on.
I took my kids to a sourdough bakery y'all
and they learned science as this amazing

(01:37:49):
25-year sourdough baker taught them about
yeast cultures or like the cultures.
Learning can be so magnificently fun and
you're going to discover that and I'm so
excited for you.
So next video you're going to learn about
different philosophies.

(01:38:11):
So and it's exciting I'll give you
references so that you can start learning
about those different philosophies.
But start with the books that I suggested.
I promise they're going to help you remove
some of those shackles off your brains and
it'll make the de-schooling process so much
easier.
It doesn't have to be a mutiny, like it was
for me the first day.

(01:38:31):
Right, we went back, we de-schooled and man,
it's pretty exciting.
So, uh, we'll see you in the next video.
If you like this video, like it, subscribe,
listen to my podcast.
That will help too.
Lots of references for you.
I just want you to succeed.
You got this.
Mamas and papas, you're going to do better
than you think you are.

(01:38:53):
We'll talk later.

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