April 25, 2024 • 34 mins
Ever wondered if Venus, the goddess of love, could catch waves on her iconic shell? We've got that covered, and much more, in a whimsical journey through art and the lighter side of life's curiosities. Our banter takes us from the strokes of Botticelli's brush to the pressing question of why our toothpaste tastes so darn sweet. We'll share laughs and insights, exploring how the classics influence our modern hobbies, and even venture into the trial and tribulations of concocting homemade toothpaste – because who doesn't want a little DIY in their dental routine?
Prepare to have your taste buds and health notions stirred as we pop the tab on the diet soda debate. It's a fizzy topic, with artificial sweeteners under the microscope and their baffling link to obesity. But it's not just about what we sip; it's about the minty freshness we swish every day. We'll discuss an intriguing toothpaste experiment that might just be the secret weapon against sugar cravings. Join us and our guest experts as we scrutinize our daily habits and ponder the possibility of a sweetness-free lifestyle – one toothbrush stroke at a time.
Finally, we brush up on the nitty-gritty of natural toothpaste and consider if a sweetener-free grin is within reach. I'll recount my own saga of ditching the sugary paste for a concoction of my own, and the discoveries that came with it. We'll also muse over the potential for natural toothpaste companies to disrupt the sugary status quo. And for dessert? A dab of dental humor as we consider whether our ancestors' confectionery choices might just influence our modern palates and practices. Tune in for a dose of education peppered with giggles, and who knows, you might just find yourself rethinking your brushing ritual!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
so what were you saying before you started off
with oh, I want to go buy acello today, today.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Well, I'm talking to someone on facebook marketplace
about buying their cello and itlooks pretty good and it's only
500, which is very affordablefor a nice student cello.
You know, do you?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
play cello, are you a ?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
big.
You know, let's not get intodetails.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Let's not, you know, get into the weeds.
It's a good price for a cello.
What are we talking about here?
What am I some sort of a noob?
I'm not gonna recognize a greatdeal on a cello when I see one.
I figured you were doing it sothat, because of the art
connection what art?
Well, after you buy a cello, doyou know what that makes you?
No, what does that besides?
(00:48):
That makes you the famousartist bought a celly bought a
celly.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Oh my god bought a celly.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
That's funny oh, that's so dumb, I'm sorry, I
love that that caught me offguard.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
That was a deep, that deep.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
That's why I had to hit record as soon as you said I
bought a cello, I was like howdo I get this?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
That was where your first thing, your mind went to.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
As soon as I heard you say the phrase bought a
cello, I was like we have torecord right now so I can work
my way to a Botticelli joke.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Oh yeah, our lives are either working towards or
away from a Botticelli joke.
It's really true for me it'sthe high point or low point of
life.
It's the apex and nadir ofevery day of my existence.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Now wait, here's where I'm bad.
What did Botticelli do again?
Was the uh venus de milo.
Is that sculptor painter?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
painter, is he venus de milo botticelli was the venus
, not the the minus on the halfshell.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Venus on a half shell , that's who I'm thinking
botticelli is the, the naked venVenus on the shell covering her
bits.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, it's the biggest or it's the first nude
non-religious nude in historysince the Hellenistic, since
Roman art.
That's a great painting.
I mean it's famous just forbeing the first nude, like of
(02:27):
the Renaissance.
But it's good that the firstnude wasn't just like a crummy
painting, right?
Because then we'd have to likelook at this stupid ugly
painting all the time and belike it's the first one.
It's really stunning too, whichis great I'm looking at it now.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I've never really like I've seen this picture
before in the world, but I'venever really like I've seen this
picture before in the world,but I've never really like
examined it closely and whatI've noticed venus, right, the
birth of venus.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, what I'm noticing now.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Let's see what it's called that the birth of venus
from 1483 to 1485, classic.
Uh, what I'm noticing now isthat she's not just standing on
the shell, sitting there likeit's moving, like she's surfing.
The shell is surfing, it'smoving.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
She's surfing.
Yeah, she's surfing, right.
She's bodyboarding this shellover to the shore.
Yeah yeah, that's pretty funand there's a wind blowing.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It's almost like her body is the sail and the shell
is like a boat, thomas, right,there's a personification of
wind.
I'm assuming that the floatingpeople who are?
Blowing the wind at her aresupposed to be, like.
You know, the essence of thedivine yeah, the cipher or
something and then someone elseon the shore has a cloth, like
let's get some clothes on you,lady.
(03:35):
Yeah, they're like let's getyou, you get, let's get you
covered up, because she'swearing all the clothes and this
other lady is surfing on hershell wearing none of the
clothes the woman's cloth, theclothes and this other lady is
surfing on her shell wearingnone of the clothes.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
The woman's cloth, the clothes that she has on, is
so cool, all the rippling cloth.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's just fantastic.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It's a fantastic contra posto pose that she's in
too Right.
So she has all her, all herweight on her left leg and she's
sort of chilling there.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It's fun.
I definitely knew this, thecomposition of this.
I just that's fun.
I definitely knew this, thecomposition of this.
I just I never processed thatthe uh, if the shells move, it
was just trucking along there inthe water, yeah not.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, I didn't realize either that she was this
kind of sail for the wind.
If you look over to the rightside, it's where the wild things
are oh, yeah, right over there,if you just see, I think if you
just scan over to the right alittle bit.
It just turns into where thewild things are.
All right, should we do asolution?
(04:30):
I have one.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Okay.
So what do I hold here in myhand?
It's a tube of it's like asilicone tube of toiletry.
It's like a toiletry tube right.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Who knows what's inside?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So in this is toothpaste that I made Homemade
toothpaste Okay.
Who knows what's inside?
So in this is toothpaste that Imade Homemade toothpaste Okay,
okay, now there's nothingnecessarily special about that.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I made it homemade.
This is toothpaste that youcrafted, right?
Not that you secreted.
I did not secrete it out of myown, okay, that would be amazing
.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I just took all my teeth and I ground them up into
paste, and now it's toothpaste.
We've lost the fun I've beenmeaning to say your smile looks
very different today.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Gummy, kind of gummy smile don't know if I'm into the
change, but yeah you do youokay.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So the solution is it's not homemade toothpaste.
You could, you could well.
That's the thing.
You can't buy toothpaste thatis like this toothpaste.
Although this toothpaste is notvery special, it's kind of a
very run of run-of-the-mill diytoothpaste so tell me about your
.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Uh, okay, so you're allowed to give us the secret
ingredient.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yes, yes, so that's not a secret ingredient, it's a
secret lack of ingredient.
Oh, it's a secret absence ofingredient.
Okay, which is sweetener?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
you're making a no sugar, no sugar no sweetener
toothpaste.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
You cannot buy this.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I cannot find a single toothpaste that does this
let's pretend that I'm a weirdoand I don't like regularly read
and memorize the the ingredientlists of toothpastes.
You weirdo, is that a thingthat is in all toothpastes?
I have not.
Okay, I've literally neverthought about the sweeteners in
my toothpaste, so this is thesolution.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But okay, your question is good and this is the
solution.
But let's get to the what theproblem is.
Okay, so the problem isinteresting.
So all toothpastes havesweetener in them, okay, and
actually they have a lot ofsweetener, and kids toothpaste
especially are really reallysweet.
They have a ton of sweetener inthem and the usual sweetener
that people put in it is xylitolsure I've heard of that yeah,
(06:38):
delicious stuff, xylitol.
So xylitol gum everywhere yeah,exactly, it's in gum, because
the research shows that xylitolis actually good for your teeth.
But it is a sugar.
It's a well, it's a.
It's what's called an alcoholsugar.
So it's not a glucose orfructose, it's a sugar.
But anyway, it's a differentkind of sugar and and it and it
(07:00):
has, uh, fewer calories and youcan eat it, but you probably
shouldn't eat it.
But it's good for your teethand it's sweet.
So people are like, well, ipsofacto, put that into.
You know, presto, abracadabra,let's put that in anything it
has to do with teeth.
Right, gum, you know,toothpaste, you know whatever
xylitol, right.
(07:26):
Other toothpastes also use likemore natural toothpaste, still
sweetened.
But they use stevia becausestevia is perceived as a natural
sweetener because it's made outof the stevia leaf and it's
just an extract of a leaf and soit's called like a natural
sweetener.
So they can say no artificialsweeteners.
But they're using a naturalsweetener, stevia, which is very
sweet, right, and it sweetensthe toothpaste, okay, and
everyone thinking about this,scientists across the board, are
(07:50):
thinking what's the harm in asweetener that'll make the
toothpaste sort of taste better,right, but won't feed the
bacteria of your teeth, right,if you put sugar in it?
that would be ridiculous becauseyou'd be actually
counterproductive right sureteeth sugar, so they would then
grow more multiplied, of course,for your teeth to eat sugar,
(08:11):
right, or have sugar present inyour mouth, okay.
So that is the end of the storyfor traditional scientists and
toothpaste people, okay, anddentists and everybody.
If you ask this is what theysay.
There's no harm to having asweet toothpaste, as long as
it's sweetened with anartificial or a non-sucrose,
non-glucose, non-fructose thing,because the bacteria won't eat
(08:32):
it.
Okay, false, false.
Because the bacteria won't eatit.
Okay, okay, false, false.
So it turns out.
It turns out.
There's research fromartificial sweetened soda.
There's research to show thatartificial if you drink diet
soda which is all artificiallysweetened, you will have similar
(08:54):
levels of obesity.
For people who drink tons ofdiet soda, they will get
overweight as if they weredrinking sweetened soda, right,
right?
And and it's it's weird,because that doesn't make any
sense they're not consumingcalories, right?
so if our bodies are likecalories in, calories out robots
(09:15):
, which is what most scientiststhink of our bodies, yeah then
it wouldn't make any sense fordiet sodas that were sweetened
with sucralose and aspartame andwhatever to lead to obesity or
gaining weight of any kind likeit.
Literally, you should be likeslimming down, like losing
weight, if you're drinking dietsoda, but you don't and people
don't know why well, they'relike my, my.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
What I've heard is that they're like it's something
about the trigger.
The sweetness in it is stilltriggering your body's response,
like it was getting thosecalories, even though it's not.
We don't know exactly why, butit is and it's, and because of
that reason, right, they're like.
A diet soda is not the miraclecure you might think it is.
It's still triggering your bodyto do all these things.
Even though the calorie numberisn't going up, all the results
(10:03):
are still kind of happening.
So it's not a free ride I getyou.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So that's one explanation.
The other explanation is maybeit's just toning up your flavor
baseline for sweet.
So all the rest of the day whenyou drink your diet soda, the
whole rest of the day, maybe for24 hours or whatever, you're
ready for like more sweetnessbecause you've already amped
(10:28):
your palate up to like extremelyyou have an m&m more than you
would have, or or like yeah,yeah, snack on something that
you would pick, because even,and even when you're trying for
that, yeah or even when you goand eat at a restaurant and the
salad dressing is kind of sweet,you're primed up to it and so
you're happy with the saladdressing being a little sweeter
and actually, if things aren'tamped up to that level, they
(10:50):
taste kind of plain and basic.
because you've already set yoursweetness of your tongue up to
11, right, Because I mean you'vealready drank this thing.
That was incredibly sweet.
So, those are the twoexplanations.
It might be both put together,that there's metabolic things
that just happen when your mouthtastes sweetness, and it also
might be that you're kind oftoning up your flavor and then
(11:12):
the whole rest of your diet isamped up.
The sweetness is higher becauseyou just want it to be sweeter.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Now I understand a toothpaste scientist wanting to
do this because it's like inevery other part of the body.
You scrub your arm with soap,or you scrub your hair with soap
or wash your hands.
You don't have to worry abouthow that tastes, because your
tasting parts aren't on anythingelse that you're cleaning.
But when you're cleaning yourtasting part now, you're like oh
(11:39):
right, soap, the cleaningproducts don't taste good.
What do we do for this?
But you're saying you've madeone that doesn't, so what are
you doing different?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
So here's what I'm doing I took all the ingredients
that weren't a sweetener and Imixed them together into a
perfectly good dentist-approvedtoothpaste.
I found a recipe dentistapproved recipe, DIY toothpaste
and I just put all theingredients, except I didn't put
any of the sweeteneringredients.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So you're saying it's just aqua or it's just fresh,
it's just fresh no aqua, I leftall the aqua out.
That toothpaste actuallyfascinated me as a kid because
it came out of the tube asdifferent colors yeah, you know
what I mean.
Like they would come togetherand then you'd be like how is it
okay?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
yeah, anyway, how'd they get it in the tube in
layers?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
what is happening here?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
my god, but yeah.
So basically this is a solutionfor sugar cravings.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
That's the solution for today this is a literal
solution by the way it is.
You're is a literal solution bythe way it is, a solution
You're bringing a literalsolution today.
It's like a paste, it's like asemi-solid solution.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, it's not a liquid, but yeah, it's a paste.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
All right, so what have you?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
done now.
So my theory is and I've provedit, I've proved it with an N of
one.
I've been using this toothpastefor almost three weeks.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So of commitment for this solution, wait, n of one
just means N of one, meaningthere's only been one someone
that's been tested on me, whichis me, and it's totally not
double blind.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I'm totally aware of everything.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Wide open eyes.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, just full placebo effect.
But I mean, this is of courseeveryone knows, this podcast is
about hypotheses, not aboutproof, so we need someone to run
an actual experiment right.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, this kind of experimenting on yourself is
what got Dr Michael Morbius introuble.
Actually, I got to tell you, heturned into a living vampire?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
It was not good.
Maybe that's what this willlead to me doing too.
You know this toothless orsugar-free toothpaste.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
So what do I put in my toothpaste if I'm trying to
steal your solution, if I'mtrying to steal your solution.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well, what you have to do is you have to make your
own toothpaste.
Right Again, what I'm saying isyou cannot buy this that I've
found.
I researched a lot.
But, I'm saying, do I I foundmaybe one toothpaste, but I
think it still had a sweetenerin it, and I even didn't put
like peppermint, like a lot ofnatural things will put like a
peppermint oil in it.
Sure, sure, and, and thepeppermint is sort of sweet, but
you don't think of it as sugarybut it still has a strong
(13:59):
flavor that masks whatever elseis going on.
Or licorice, is also extremelysweet, even though it's actually
doesn't sound like it's notsugar, but it's actually
extremely a sweet flavor.
So I just left everything outand I just and it doesn't taste
bad.
This tastes like clean.
I don't know Clean, you knowneutral.
(14:19):
It tastes extremely neutral.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, I'm trying to imagine, because it's a white
goo.
I'm trying to imagine how it'sjust a way, I guess you would
start with like baking soda andmayonnaise, right, yeah, so it's
, it's one part mayonnaise.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
You did, you guessed it.
You did guess right straight tothe.
You got a good eye.
We should get you in achemistry lab.
What does that?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
look like my teachers always told me I had a good eye
.
We should get you in achemistry lab.
What does that look like?
My teachers always told me Ihad a good toothpaste eye you
really do, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
So here's the here's.
I think what will be excitingfor people, though, because so
far people are thinking one ofthis for dentistry or for teeth.
This is nothing to do withteeth.
The solution here has nothingto do with teeth.
The solution here is sugarcravings.
So I had my like for 10, morethan 10 years.
For like 15 years, I've beenlike no, like low, no sugar
(15:08):
generally.
Uh, a low, at least lowglycemic index and p, and we've
talked about this podcast beforelike cutting sugar is a
solution to lots of things, um,especially you know body, you
know weight, losing weight andbeing healthy and having worse
days, feeling like lesshappiness what less?
happiness.
Right, exactly, the bestantidepressant we have is
(15:30):
fructose.
But so, even though I've beenhaving no sugar for so long, I I
still would have these likemajor sugar cravings and I would
.
I would feel like I couldn'treally control myself, like if I
ate a cookie.
I have these like cookies thatI like to eat, that are like
high fiber cookies, but they'realso a little bit sweet and I
(15:52):
just would like I was like fiveor seven, like seven of those in
a day.
And I was like man, I'm a cookiemonster is so many cookies, um,
and which you, if you add upthe sugar, even though they're
only like but you do eat themwith both hands and you chew
with your mouth like wide openand mostly they just fall on the
ground because they don't getinto my.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I don't think it's a calorie problem, it is a
cleaning situation it's a majorproblem with cleaning up
afterwards.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
But my point is I and I know other people who have
been low, who have done lowsugar diets as well still
complain of sugar cravings andthey still are like man sugar I
miss.
Like they kind of have thislike sugar relationship even
though they've cut sugarcompletely out of their diet
okay, which is not what you seein other elimination diets.
(16:40):
Like I've never heard of veganssaying man, I just wish I could
eat a hamburger they say, aftera few, you know, a month or two,
they're like I don't even wantmeat, like, or the same thing
when I was dairy.
I'm still dairy intolerant, butI I take my dairy pills and I
eat dairy stuff all the time,but when I before I was more
religious about it, I, I justdidn't want to bother and so I
just didn't eat dairy at all andI didn't eat ice cream for like
(17:01):
10 years, and after about ayear I was like I don't even
care, I don't even really likeit, I don't really want ice
cream, like if you do anelimination diet, you should get
to the point where your bodyjust reaches homeostasis and
doesn't care when.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
You realize why you cut it out in the first place
out in the first place.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
But with sugar this doesn't happen with people, and
people, I think, chalk it up tooh well, our bodies are just
made to love sugar.
Like if a prototypical humanbeing in the wild like came
across a freaking berry bush,they'd lose their damn minds.
It's great, it's such a richenergy source and you know they
would have just loved theberries no matter what.
But I don't think that's true.
I was gonna going to try andprove you right, Cause I was
like right.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I went through 10 years without brushing my teeth
and I'm trying to remember if Ibut I was eating nonstop candy
and soda dirt.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
So maybe it wasn't really fun.
10 years.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
A lot of you know I have a rich dentist around, so
lucrative.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
All my teeth.
So my theory is and this iswhat this whole solution depends
on, and I think it's true isevery day, once or twice.
I mean, if you brush your teethtwice a day, once a day,
whatever three times a day,however many times you brush
your teeth a day, you arecoating your mouth in sweet
flavor and that is doing either,like we said, like the
sugar-free sodas, it's eithertriggering all those metabolic
(18:15):
processes, that's gonna to makeyou have obesity anyways, and or
it's jacking up your flavorprofile for sweetness and I've
found since I started to use DrBrouse's oh no, thankfully I
have brothers who are doctors.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
You're not.
Yeah, you're almost.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
So it's not me, and I'm going to get a PhD in ethics
.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
So Dr Brous's, brother.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Dr Brous's brother's.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Brothers.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Sweetness-free toothpaste I've found totally
unscientifically, because it'snot double blind.
I know exactly what I'm doing,so there's like a placebo effect
, but I believe that if you dothis it jacks down.
If you eliminate sugar,eliminate artificial sweeteners
and change your toothpaste to asweetness free toothpaste, so
you've eliminated sweetnessthroughout your whole day, okay,
(19:13):
after two or three days youstop craving sugar.
I think my sugar cravings havegone down by three quarters.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, 75%, I'd say I still like.
If I want a cookie, I might eata cookie, but I eat two instead
of like seven.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Okay, I am noticing something that is conspicuously
absent from this conversation.
Yeah, what's that?
We are talking so much aboutthe benefits of the rest of your
day from having brushed yourteeth.
I want to know what two minutesis like that you've got this in
your mouth, what?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
are we tasting here?
Oh, it's gross.
Oh no, that's what I was afraidof.
It's like dead bugs.
I'm like are you?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
It's dead bugs in your mouth.
We've had dead bugs in ourmouth.
That doesn't scare me anymore.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
That's definitely worse.
No, it tastes like you know,like Tums, but unsweetened Tums.
Oh, that's another thing.
You can't have sweetened Tums.
I don't know I don't think I'veever had Tums.
Oh really, I grew up on Tums.
They were like Tic Tacs in myhousehold.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I haven't had Tic.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Tacs.
It's an antacid.
It's like an antacid tablet andtablet and you chew it up.
But usually they're sweet andthey have like a mint, a mint or
like a candy flavor.
But that would destroy this.
Like you can't do that,anything that's sweet, right?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
you can't eat so what are you jack up your foot?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
this tastes like um, it's hard to say what it tastes
like.
It's extremely neutral, okay.
It's like, I would say, thecleanest mud you've ever found,
or clay or something, althoughthis isn't a benonite.
So some people make denttoothpaste out of ben and
benonite bent bentadite.
It's like a clay.
Okay, I did not make it out ofthis because I found out that I
(20:47):
read that you cannot be certainthat the benonite you bentonite
you get does not have lead in it, because some of it's polluted
good news, bad news.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
And unless you have like a lead, sugar-free bad news
.
Unless you have a lead-testingkit, sugar-free bad news
Lead-full.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, but this one's not.
This one's made with calciumcarbonate and baking soda and a
little vegetable glycerin.
These are all completelyneutral, completely safe things
that could never hurt you.
I'm not against fluoride.
Some people are like fluorideis bad because they think it's
like a, like an endocrinedisrupt I've heard that
conversation back and forth yeah, but I don't think it matters.
(21:23):
Like if I were gonna market thisand sell it, I would make like
a fluoride full and a fluoridefree.
You could also use the nanohydroxylite or whatever is like
another alternative to fluoride.
You could make it with that andpeople don't think that's an
endocrine disruptor, even thoughit sounds scarier even the
floor.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I don't know fluoride I've already forgotten what it
was called.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, yeah, nano, hypoxic, tight or something, but
it's supposed to help with theremineral or me remineralization
of your teeth.
Anyways, the point is to avoidsugar, yeah, but the tooth.
But my point is every day,everyone who brushes their teeth
which is everyone, hopefullyonce or twice a day, hopefully
(22:04):
you are jacking up your sugarsensors in your tongue, which is
bad for your body and and willthen either will make you have
sugar cravings the rest of theday and or might even just cause
metabolic issues for your body.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Isn't that?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
interesting Look at that Solution from the MV.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
New toothpaste.
New toothpaste Make your own.
So how do we get people thisrecipe?
Because I'm a lazy person.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I don't want to look it up.
What do I do?
I can link the recipe in theshow notes.
It's extremely simple, althoughit is kind of expensive.
I bought probably enoughingredients to make like like I
don't know, two gallons of it.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Oh, so this is a business, you need people to buy
this from you no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I'm saying if you want to make your own, you're in
your lab making gianttoothpaste vats, if you want to
make your own you have to committo, you know minimum, the
minimum size of ingredients thatyou need, like three grams of
in like a tube this big.
That costs $40.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So you can't buy like little amounts of the chemicals
you need to make it.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, who are?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
you, john colgate, what are you trying to?
Yeah, buy all your toothpaste,but what?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
we need is for a toothpaste company to recognize
that there is like toms.
I mean, it could just be likean all-natural toothpaste
company like toms could justrelease a sweetness-free flavor,
and then I would buy it and Iwould hope more people would buy
it too, because I think itreally does make a difference.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
So how long are you going to continue?
You've got two gallons of thisnow, so you're going to continue
for a while.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well, I have enough ingredients to make two gallons.
I've only made this much,probably like three ounces.
Was it a laborious process?
Or you just like mix it up in abowl, mix it up, it turns into
like a paste and then you likekind of mash it into this tube
and then it it has, when I tookit on a plane, all the like
glycerin and water likeseparated out and it became like
(23:58):
a hard paste and then it reallydidn't reincorporate, so I
wouldn't take it on a plane.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Well, you think that's just the altitude messing
with it.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I think the pressure made it go through a separation
process, but then since Ibrought it home again, it's
gotten.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
And have you gotten any other test subjects to try
out your paste, or is it justyou so far?
End of one.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I was going to have my wife use it.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
You know it's got actually a really good
consistency now adam is reallygood open to the lid on his
little travel bottle and he'sstaring into it lovingly it's
like a silicone like a proudfather wish it, yeah good boy,
look at what I have made.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
That's a good pig.
That's a good pig.
That's a good pig like babe.
Yeah, this is actually a reallygood.
Uh pace now.
It was a little bit wet when Ifirst made it, but anyways,
that's the solution.
Very cool.
Stay away from sugar make yourown toothpaste and either make
your own toothpaste or let's geta little letter out to the, to
(25:07):
the companies, and say well, I?
I should say too that I I wasalso looking for protein powder,
because occasionally I'll havea protein powder.
Almost all protein powders havestevia in them.
Ah, because it's perceived as ahealthy.
It is healthy, like they'vestudied stevia.
It's healthy, it has healthbenefits.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
It's a vitamin A.
Straight shot of protein is nota tasty situation, so they've
got to do something there.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And they don't want to put sugar in it because
everyone's like scared of sugar,which actually if you did it
with glucose it wouldn't be asbad really.
Or even like low fructose, likewe've talked about before, like
talked about before.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Right, but they're like we want that calorie number
to be zero, so Stevia it is.
So they do.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Stevia, but.
Stevia is extremely sweet,sweeter than sugar.
It's much sweeter than sugar,and so they make these ultra
sweet tasting powders, which aresupposed to be improving your
health, right, because they'rethese healthy protein shake
things.
But actually those people whouse those protein shakes are
going to end up with metabolicissues and with amped up taste
(26:10):
buds for sweet, which are thengoing to hurt their health goals
the rest of the day whenthey're trying to avoid sugar.
And so I also got a proteinshake.
So to do this experiment, Ididn't just change my toothpaste
, I also got rid of all Steviaproducts.
Like my protein shakes, Iswitched to a protein of stevia
free protein powder, which youcan buy in whole foods.
(26:31):
There's a uh flavorless, likean original flavor vegan protein
powder.
Okay, that that that has nostevia in it.
It's just it's like pumpkinseed protein and that's all it
is bro, are you putting proteininto your toothpaste?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
is that why you're?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
that's how I got these muscular teeth.
I got these buff teeth dude,really buff teeth.
So I had to get rid of thestevia I has from my protein
powder.
I also had to get rid of mytoothpaste that had xylitol in
it.
And then I was looking forother secret sweeteners.
You know Tums.
I didn't realize until just now, secret sweeteners, so I got to
(27:07):
get original.
You know no flavor Tums.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
You have to.
You're on a mission to get ridof all the Get rid of all sweets
.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Sweets in your life, because if you eliminate all
sweets, then all the cravings goaway, because it becomes like
an elimination, a trueelimination diet.
And now I don't, and then Iwouldn't house cookies all day
long, which would then help mereach my goals, my health goals.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
It's like when you're blind.
Your other senses areheightened.
Yes, and you can have daredevilpowers if you can just get rid
of the sugar in your life.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I've also noticed that with sugar.
So if you eliminate all thesesweeteners that are everywhere
around us completely, includingtoothpastes and medicines and
protein powders and everything,then food has too much taste.
If you eat like a bowl of rice,it's like a bowl of ice cream.
It's too much.
It's so good?
No, it's great Like.
(27:59):
Imagine if you could eat a bowlof ice cream for dinner.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
That's what eating like a bowl of rice with like
meat.
Well, yeah, you can eat,anything you can eat I'm a
grown-up, I can do that if Iwant it does.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I noticed this when I was in japan.
Did you notice this in japan?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
because eating bowls of ice cream for dinner only
when I was really sad actuallylike in japan, the traditional
food has no sweetness.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
No right, yeah.
And then they give you like asprig of mint for dessert and
you're like, oh my god, thissprig of mint tastes like
amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Well, there's definitely a milder sweet
profile, like where in sweets,because they'll have stuff that
is american sweet, and thenjapanese people are like no, no,
it's too sweet.
Yeah, but like a, you know, youget like a sweet mochi, yeah,
with like a little bit of asweet red bean paste inside and
you're like this this isdelightful.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
This is the perfect level.
Yeah, the Germans do it too,the Germans.
Everything's less sweet inGermany.
Everything's toned way down,wow.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Well, the Germans and Japanese should like team up or
something.
Yeah, has that ever not gonewell in the past.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Very well, very well.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
So we should see this on the shelves soon.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Dr Brous's Brothers.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Flavorless paste for your teeth Flavorless toothpaste
.
Flavorless paste for your teeththings.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Flavorless tooth powder.
I like it.
I like that.
That's fun, I love it, love it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I love diy.
You know what we are doing thison zoom, but if we were in
person I would try it.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I'll try it next time , okay I see you if you, I'll,
yeah, I'll bring, if you make mea little smudge, or bring me a
little bit, I'll, I'll give it abrush.
Yeah, I mean, I mean that Idon't.
I'm not, you know, I'd be fine.
Because here's the thing I'mnot some like crazy person who's
like oh, fluoride's anendocrine disruptor like I've.
I've used fluoride my wholelife.
All I can tell my endocrinesare working just fine.
(29:52):
Like I got endocrines.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
They're working, you know so you drank a six pack of
fluoride last night.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Just yeah, delicious, delicious um, so I'm not scared
of all that stuff.
So I'm not afraid of, like somedental scientists, making a
super sophisticated you know,chemical toothpaste.
I'm not against any of that.
My point is just all of thosescientists have decided that
it's fine to include a lot ofsweetener, right, and that's the
(30:19):
problem you're like maybe wedon't have to start, so I didn't
make a diy one because I'm likeit's made out of eucalyptus
bark and dirt.
You know, like I didn't.
I didn't do it to like be a agaia mother or something.
I did it only because I justwanted to get the no sweetener,
which you want to show thedental scientists the way yes,
(30:40):
and so for all of our dentalscientist listeners, of which
there are many, we have a fullwing of dental scientists on
this podcast.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Oh right, I notice that every time the dental
science block downloads theepisode, we get a big bump.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Their comments are toothy, toothy, oh no, toothsome
, toothsome, that's a great word.
Toothsome, toothsome, tooth,tooth, some tooth.
I mean it means delicious right.
Houndstooth, houndstooth,favorite pattern, great pattern.
Also, what's an, what's analternative?
I mean, do you know of anyother patterns that have a name
like that?
Nope, bluetooth wipes bluetooth, which is named after
(31:22):
houndstooth, a norwegian king.
Did you know that KingBluetooth yeah, bluetooth is
named after.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
No way.
Okay, adam, you can't justthrow a nonsense.
Lie at me at the end.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
It's not a lie.
In 1990, said to be named afterKing Harold.
Bluetooth 910 to 85, creditedwith uniting Denmark and Norway.
As Bluetooth technology unifiesthe telecommunications and
computing industries, holy kingharald bluetooth.
(31:53):
It's named after him and the.
The bluetooth symbol is amodification yeah, it's a
modification of the of the holycow, I thought you were pulling
my leg no way man.
That man, that's the weirdestthing ever.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, oh, it's because the three industry
leaders Intel, Ericsson andNokia met.
So Nokia up in Finland, right.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Met to plan the standardization of short-range
radio technology and during themeeting some guy Jim Kardach
from Intel suggested Bluetoothas a temporary code name.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
That's wild.
This guy from Intel suggestedBluetooth as a temporary
codename.
That's wild.
This guy from Intel was likelet's call it Bluetooth.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I didn't even believe that, and then it was like
let's just keep calling itBluetooth.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Alright, you want me to throw you an obscure king
name?
Bring it on.
Okay, you know Nimrod.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
From the Bible you call people Nimrod.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Oh, Nimrod is an idiot.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Do you know King Nimrod?
No, what he's famous for in theBible and why he got.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I know he's from the Bible but I didn't know he was
an idiot.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
King.
Nimrod's the guy who said whydon't we build a tower so tall
it gets to heaven.
This is the Tower of Babelstory.
That is the idea.
Each other, nimrod, when theydo something dumb, so there you
go.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Not a great legacy, trade a little historical king
facts with you.
Yeah, that's pretty goodHistorical king.
Yeah, should we finish up?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Toothpaste everyone.
Take all the sugar, take allthe sweetener out of your whole
diet and see if you stop gettingsugar cravings.
I think you'll see that itworks.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Go out to your not stores and don't buy the
toothpaste that's not there,because Adam has the only bottle
of it.
Or just don't brush your teethat all.
Oh, that's good.
Yes, don't brush your teeth,that's what we should be telling
people Protected bike lanes anddon't brush your teeth.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
That's the two messages of the pod and we're
starting a dentist office, so doyou have any problems with that
?
No, tooth brushing, you canalways come, drop by this sfm.
Come by for all your dentalscience needs and we will be
happy to hook you up.
All right, everybody.
See you next time, keep itclimaty, indeed.
(34:08):
All right, bye, thank you.
so what were you saying before you started off
with oh, I want to go buy acello today, today.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Well, I'm talking to someone on facebook marketplace
about buying their cello and itlooks pretty good and it's only
500, which is very affordablefor a nice student cello.
You know, do you?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
play cello, are you a ?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
big.
You know, let's not get intodetails.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Let's not, you know, get into the weeds.
It's a good price for a cello.
What are we talking about here?
What am I some sort of a noob?
I'm not gonna recognize a greatdeal on a cello when I see one.
I figured you were doing it sothat, because of the art
connection what art?
Well, after you buy a cello, doyou know what that makes you?
No, what does that besides?
(00:48):
That makes you the famousartist bought a celly bought a
celly.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Oh my god bought a celly.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
That's funny oh, that's so dumb, I'm sorry, I
love that that caught me offguard.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
That was a deep, that deep.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
That's why I had to hit record as soon as you said I
bought a cello, I was like howdo I get this?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
That was where your first thing, your mind went to.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
As soon as I heard you say the phrase bought a
cello, I was like we have torecord right now so I can work
my way to a Botticelli joke.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Oh yeah, our lives are either working towards or
away from a Botticelli joke.
It's really true for me it'sthe high point or low point of
life.
It's the apex and nadir ofevery day of my existence.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Now wait, here's where I'm bad.
What did Botticelli do again?
Was the uh venus de milo.
Is that sculptor painter?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
painter, is he venus de milo botticelli was the venus
, not the the minus on the halfshell.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Venus on a half shell , that's who I'm thinking
botticelli is the, the naked venVenus on the shell covering her
bits.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, it's the biggest or it's the first nude
non-religious nude in historysince the Hellenistic, since
Roman art.
That's a great painting.
I mean it's famous just forbeing the first nude, like of
(02:27):
the Renaissance.
But it's good that the firstnude wasn't just like a crummy
painting, right?
Because then we'd have to likelook at this stupid ugly
painting all the time and belike it's the first one.
It's really stunning too, whichis great I'm looking at it now.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I've never really like I've seen this picture
before in the world, but I'venever really like I've seen this
picture before in the world,but I've never really like
examined it closely and whatI've noticed venus, right, the
birth of venus.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, what I'm noticing now.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Let's see what it's called that the birth of venus
from 1483 to 1485, classic.
Uh, what I'm noticing now isthat she's not just standing on
the shell, sitting there likeit's moving, like she's surfing.
The shell is surfing, it'smoving.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
She's surfing.
Yeah, she's surfing, right.
She's bodyboarding this shellover to the shore.
Yeah yeah, that's pretty funand there's a wind blowing.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It's almost like her body is the sail and the shell
is like a boat, thomas, right,there's a personification of
wind.
I'm assuming that the floatingpeople who are?
Blowing the wind at her aresupposed to be, like.
You know, the essence of thedivine yeah, the cipher or
something and then someone elseon the shore has a cloth, like
let's get some clothes on you,lady.
(03:35):
Yeah, they're like let's getyou, you get, let's get you
covered up, because she'swearing all the clothes and this
other lady is surfing on hershell wearing none of the
clothes the woman's cloth, theclothes and this other lady is
surfing on her shell wearingnone of the clothes.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
The woman's cloth, the clothes that she has on, is
so cool, all the rippling cloth.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's just fantastic.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It's a fantastic contra posto pose that she's in
too Right.
So she has all her, all herweight on her left leg and she's
sort of chilling there.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It's fun.
I definitely knew this, thecomposition of this.
I just that's fun.
I definitely knew this, thecomposition of this.
I just I never processed thatthe uh, if the shells move, it
was just trucking along there inthe water, yeah not.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, I didn't realize either that she was this
kind of sail for the wind.
If you look over to the rightside, it's where the wild things
are oh, yeah, right over there,if you just see, I think if you
just scan over to the right alittle bit.
It just turns into where thewild things are.
All right, should we do asolution?
(04:30):
I have one.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Okay.
So what do I hold here in myhand?
It's a tube of it's like asilicone tube of toiletry.
It's like a toiletry tube right.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Who knows what's inside?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So in this is toothpaste that I made Homemade
toothpaste Okay.
Who knows what's inside?
So in this is toothpaste that Imade Homemade toothpaste Okay,
okay, now there's nothingnecessarily special about that.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I made it homemade.
This is toothpaste that youcrafted, right?
Not that you secreted.
I did not secrete it out of myown, okay, that would be amazing
.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I just took all my teeth and I ground them up into
paste, and now it's toothpaste.
We've lost the fun I've beenmeaning to say your smile looks
very different today.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Gummy, kind of gummy smile don't know if I'm into the
change, but yeah you do youokay.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So the solution is it's not homemade toothpaste.
You could, you could well.
That's the thing.
You can't buy toothpaste thatis like this toothpaste.
Although this toothpaste is notvery special, it's kind of a
very run of run-of-the-mill diytoothpaste so tell me about your
.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Uh, okay, so you're allowed to give us the secret
ingredient.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yes, yes, so that's not a secret ingredient, it's a
secret lack of ingredient.
Oh, it's a secret absence ofingredient.
Okay, which is sweetener?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
you're making a no sugar, no sugar no sweetener
toothpaste.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
You cannot buy this.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I cannot find a single toothpaste that does this
let's pretend that I'm a weirdoand I don't like regularly read
and memorize the the ingredientlists of toothpastes.
You weirdo, is that a thingthat is in all toothpastes?
I have not.
Okay, I've literally neverthought about the sweeteners in
my toothpaste, so this is thesolution.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But okay, your question is good and this is the
solution.
But let's get to the what theproblem is.
Okay, so the problem isinteresting.
So all toothpastes havesweetener in them, okay, and
actually they have a lot ofsweetener, and kids toothpaste
especially are really reallysweet.
They have a ton of sweetener inthem and the usual sweetener
that people put in it is xylitolsure I've heard of that yeah,
(06:38):
delicious stuff, xylitol.
So xylitol gum everywhere yeah,exactly, it's in gum, because
the research shows that xylitolis actually good for your teeth.
But it is a sugar.
It's a well, it's a.
It's what's called an alcoholsugar.
So it's not a glucose orfructose, it's a sugar.
But anyway, it's a differentkind of sugar and and it and it
(07:00):
has, uh, fewer calories and youcan eat it, but you probably
shouldn't eat it.
But it's good for your teethand it's sweet.
So people are like, well, ipsofacto, put that into.
You know, presto, abracadabra,let's put that in anything it
has to do with teeth.
Right, gum, you know,toothpaste, you know whatever
xylitol, right.
(07:26):
Other toothpastes also use likemore natural toothpaste, still
sweetened.
But they use stevia becausestevia is perceived as a natural
sweetener because it's made outof the stevia leaf and it's
just an extract of a leaf and soit's called like a natural
sweetener.
So they can say no artificialsweeteners.
But they're using a naturalsweetener, stevia, which is very
sweet, right, and it sweetensthe toothpaste, okay, and
everyone thinking about this,scientists across the board, are
(07:50):
thinking what's the harm in asweetener that'll make the
toothpaste sort of taste better,right, but won't feed the
bacteria of your teeth, right,if you put sugar in it?
that would be ridiculous becauseyou'd be actually
counterproductive right sureteeth sugar, so they would then
grow more multiplied, of course,for your teeth to eat sugar,
(08:11):
right, or have sugar present inyour mouth, okay.
So that is the end of the storyfor traditional scientists and
toothpaste people, okay, anddentists and everybody.
If you ask this is what theysay.
There's no harm to having asweet toothpaste, as long as
it's sweetened with anartificial or a non-sucrose,
non-glucose, non-fructose thing,because the bacteria won't eat
(08:32):
it.
Okay, false, false.
Because the bacteria won't eatit.
Okay, okay, false, false.
So it turns out.
It turns out.
There's research fromartificial sweetened soda.
There's research to show thatartificial if you drink diet
soda which is all artificiallysweetened, you will have similar
(08:54):
levels of obesity.
For people who drink tons ofdiet soda, they will get
overweight as if they weredrinking sweetened soda, right,
right?
And and it's it's weird,because that doesn't make any
sense they're not consumingcalories, right?
so if our bodies are likecalories in, calories out robots
(09:15):
, which is what most scientiststhink of our bodies, yeah then
it wouldn't make any sense fordiet sodas that were sweetened
with sucralose and aspartame andwhatever to lead to obesity or
gaining weight of any kind likeit.
Literally, you should be likeslimming down, like losing
weight, if you're drinking dietsoda, but you don't and people
don't know why well, they'relike my, my.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
What I've heard is that they're like it's something
about the trigger.
The sweetness in it is stilltriggering your body's response,
like it was getting thosecalories, even though it's not.
We don't know exactly why, butit is and it's, and because of
that reason, right, they're like.
A diet soda is not the miraclecure you might think it is.
It's still triggering your bodyto do all these things.
Even though the calorie numberisn't going up, all the results
(10:03):
are still kind of happening.
So it's not a free ride I getyou.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So that's one explanation.
The other explanation is maybeit's just toning up your flavor
baseline for sweet.
So all the rest of the day whenyou drink your diet soda, the
whole rest of the day, maybe for24 hours or whatever, you're
ready for like more sweetnessbecause you've already amped
(10:28):
your palate up to like extremelyyou have an m&m more than you
would have, or or like yeah,yeah, snack on something that
you would pick, because even,and even when you're trying for
that, yeah or even when you goand eat at a restaurant and the
salad dressing is kind of sweet,you're primed up to it and so
you're happy with the saladdressing being a little sweeter
and actually, if things aren'tamped up to that level, they
(10:50):
taste kind of plain and basic.
because you've already set yoursweetness of your tongue up to
11, right, Because I mean you'vealready drank this thing.
That was incredibly sweet.
So, those are the twoexplanations.
It might be both put together,that there's metabolic things
that just happen when your mouthtastes sweetness, and it also
might be that you're kind oftoning up your flavor and then
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the whole rest of your diet isamped up.
The sweetness is higher becauseyou just want it to be sweeter.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Now I understand a toothpaste scientist wanting to
do this because it's like inevery other part of the body.
You scrub your arm with soap,or you scrub your hair with soap
or wash your hands.
You don't have to worry abouthow that tastes, because your
tasting parts aren't on anythingelse that you're cleaning.
But when you're cleaning yourtasting part now, you're like oh
(11:39):
right, soap, the cleaningproducts don't taste good.
What do we do for this?
But you're saying you've madeone that doesn't, so what are
you doing different?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
So here's what I'm doing I took all the ingredients
that weren't a sweetener and Imixed them together into a
perfectly good dentist-approvedtoothpaste.
I found a recipe dentistapproved recipe, DIY toothpaste
and I just put all theingredients, except I didn't put
any of the sweeteneringredients.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So you're saying it's just aqua or it's just fresh,
it's just fresh no aqua, I leftall the aqua out.
That toothpaste actuallyfascinated me as a kid because
it came out of the tube asdifferent colors yeah, you know
what I mean.
Like they would come togetherand then you'd be like how is it
okay?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
yeah, anyway, how'd they get it in the tube in
layers?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
what is happening here?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
my god, but yeah.
So basically this is a solutionfor sugar cravings.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
That's the solution for today this is a literal
solution by the way it is.
You're is a literal solution bythe way it is, a solution
You're bringing a literalsolution today.
It's like a paste, it's like asemi-solid solution.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, it's not a liquid, but yeah, it's a paste.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
All right, so what have you?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
done now.
So my theory is and I've provedit, I've proved it with an N of
one.
I've been using this toothpastefor almost three weeks.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So of commitment for this solution, wait, n of one
just means N of one, meaningthere's only been one someone
that's been tested on me, whichis me, and it's totally not
double blind.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I'm totally aware of everything.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Wide open eyes.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, just full placebo effect.
But I mean, this is of courseeveryone knows, this podcast is
about hypotheses, not aboutproof, so we need someone to run
an actual experiment right.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, this kind of experimenting on yourself is
what got Dr Michael Morbius introuble.
Actually, I got to tell you, heturned into a living vampire?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
It was not good.
Maybe that's what this willlead to me doing too.
You know this toothless orsugar-free toothpaste.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
So what do I put in my toothpaste if I'm trying to
steal your solution, if I'mtrying to steal your solution.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well, what you have to do is you have to make your
own toothpaste.
Right Again, what I'm saying isyou cannot buy this that I've
found.
I researched a lot.
But, I'm saying, do I I foundmaybe one toothpaste, but I
think it still had a sweetenerin it, and I even didn't put
like peppermint, like a lot ofnatural things will put like a
peppermint oil in it.
Sure, sure, and, and thepeppermint is sort of sweet, but
you don't think of it as sugarybut it still has a strong
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flavor that masks whatever elseis going on.
Or licorice, is also extremelysweet, even though it's actually
doesn't sound like it's notsugar, but it's actually
extremely a sweet flavor.
So I just left everything outand I just and it doesn't taste
bad.
This tastes like clean.
I don't know Clean, you knowneutral.
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It tastes extremely neutral.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, I'm trying to imagine, because it's a white
goo.
I'm trying to imagine how it'sjust a way, I guess you would
start with like baking soda andmayonnaise, right, yeah, so it's
, it's one part mayonnaise.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
You did, you guessed it.
You did guess right straight tothe.
You got a good eye.
We should get you in achemistry lab.
What does that?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
look like my teachers always told me I had a good eye
.
We should get you in achemistry lab.
What does that look like?
My teachers always told me Ihad a good toothpaste eye you
really do, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
So here's the here's.
I think what will be excitingfor people, though, because so
far people are thinking one ofthis for dentistry or for teeth.
This is nothing to do withteeth.
The solution here has nothingto do with teeth.
The solution here is sugarcravings.
So I had my like for 10, morethan 10 years.
For like 15 years, I've beenlike no, like low, no sugar
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generally.
Uh, a low, at least lowglycemic index and p, and we've
talked about this podcast beforelike cutting sugar is a
solution to lots of things, um,especially you know body, you
know weight, losing weight andbeing healthy and having worse
days, feeling like lesshappiness what less?
happiness.
Right, exactly, the bestantidepressant we have is
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fructose.
But so, even though I've beenhaving no sugar for so long, I I
still would have these likemajor sugar cravings and I would
.
I would feel like I couldn'treally control myself, like if I
ate a cookie.
I have these like cookies thatI like to eat, that are like
high fiber cookies, but they'realso a little bit sweet and I
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just would like I was like fiveor seven, like seven of those in
a day.
And I was like man, I'm a cookiemonster is so many cookies, um,
and which you, if you add upthe sugar, even though they're
only like but you do eat themwith both hands and you chew
with your mouth like wide openand mostly they just fall on the
ground because they don't getinto my.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I don't think it's a calorie problem, it is a
cleaning situation it's a majorproblem with cleaning up
afterwards.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
But my point is I and I know other people who have
been low, who have done lowsugar diets as well still
complain of sugar cravings andthey still are like man sugar I
miss.
Like they kind of have thislike sugar relationship even
though they've cut sugarcompletely out of their diet
okay, which is not what you seein other elimination diets.
(16:40):
Like I've never heard of veganssaying man, I just wish I could
eat a hamburger they say, aftera few, you know, a month or two,
they're like I don't even wantmeat, like, or the same thing
when I was dairy.
I'm still dairy intolerant, butI I take my dairy pills and I
eat dairy stuff all the time,but when I before I was more
religious about it, I, I justdidn't want to bother and so I
just didn't eat dairy at all andI didn't eat ice cream for like
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10 years, and after about ayear I was like I don't even
care, I don't even really likeit, I don't really want ice
cream, like if you do anelimination diet, you should get
to the point where your bodyjust reaches homeostasis and
doesn't care when.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
You realize why you cut it out in the first place
out in the first place.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
But with sugar this doesn't happen with people, and
people, I think, chalk it up tooh well, our bodies are just
made to love sugar.
Like if a prototypical humanbeing in the wild like came
across a freaking berry bush,they'd lose their damn minds.
It's great, it's such a richenergy source and you know they
would have just loved theberries no matter what.
But I don't think that's true.
I was gonna going to try andprove you right, Cause I was
like right.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I went through 10 years without brushing my teeth
and I'm trying to remember if Ibut I was eating nonstop candy
and soda dirt.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
So maybe it wasn't really fun.
10 years.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
A lot of you know I have a rich dentist around, so
lucrative.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
All my teeth.
So my theory is and this iswhat this whole solution depends
on, and I think it's true isevery day, once or twice.
I mean, if you brush your teethtwice a day, once a day,
whatever three times a day,however many times you brush
your teeth a day, you arecoating your mouth in sweet
flavor and that is doing either,like we said, like the
sugar-free sodas, it's eithertriggering all those metabolic
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processes, that's gonna to makeyou have obesity anyways, and or
it's jacking up your flavorprofile for sweetness and I've
found since I started to use DrBrouse's oh no, thankfully I
have brothers who are doctors.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
You're not.
Yeah, you're almost.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
So it's not me, and I'm going to get a PhD in ethics
.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
So Dr Brous's, brother.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Dr Brous's brother's.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Brothers.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Sweetness-free toothpaste I've found totally
unscientifically, because it'snot double blind.
I know exactly what I'm doing,so there's like a placebo effect
, but I believe that if you dothis it jacks down.
If you eliminate sugar,eliminate artificial sweeteners
and change your toothpaste to asweetness free toothpaste, so
you've eliminated sweetnessthroughout your whole day, okay,
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after two or three days youstop craving sugar.
I think my sugar cravings havegone down by three quarters.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, 75%, I'd say I still like.
If I want a cookie, I might eata cookie, but I eat two instead
of like seven.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Okay, I am noticing something that is conspicuously
absent from this conversation.
Yeah, what's that?
We are talking so much aboutthe benefits of the rest of your
day from having brushed yourteeth.
I want to know what two minutesis like that you've got this in
your mouth, what?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
are we tasting here?
Oh, it's gross.
Oh no, that's what I was afraidof.
It's like dead bugs.
I'm like are you?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
It's dead bugs in your mouth.
We've had dead bugs in ourmouth.
That doesn't scare me anymore.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
That's definitely worse.
No, it tastes like you know,like Tums, but unsweetened Tums.
Oh, that's another thing.
You can't have sweetened Tums.
I don't know I don't think I'veever had Tums.
Oh really, I grew up on Tums.
They were like Tic Tacs in myhousehold.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I haven't had Tic.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Tacs.
It's an antacid.
It's like an antacid tablet andtablet and you chew it up.
But usually they're sweet andthey have like a mint, a mint or
like a candy flavor.
But that would destroy this.
Like you can't do that,anything that's sweet, right?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
you can't eat so what are you jack up your foot?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
this tastes like um, it's hard to say what it tastes
like.
It's extremely neutral, okay.
It's like, I would say, thecleanest mud you've ever found,
or clay or something, althoughthis isn't a benonite.
So some people make denttoothpaste out of ben and
benonite bent bentadite.
It's like a clay.
Okay, I did not make it out ofthis because I found out that I
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read that you cannot be certainthat the benonite you bentonite
you get does not have lead in it, because some of it's polluted
good news, bad news.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
And unless you have like a lead, sugar-free bad news
.
Unless you have a lead-testingkit, sugar-free bad news
Lead-full.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, but this one's not.
This one's made with calciumcarbonate and baking soda and a
little vegetable glycerin.
These are all completelyneutral, completely safe things
that could never hurt you.
I'm not against fluoride.
Some people are like fluorideis bad because they think it's
like a, like an endocrinedisrupt I've heard that
conversation back and forth yeah, but I don't think it matters.
(21:23):
Like if I were gonna market thisand sell it, I would make like
a fluoride full and a fluoridefree.
You could also use the nanohydroxylite or whatever is like
another alternative to fluoride.
You could make it with that andpeople don't think that's an
endocrine disruptor, even thoughit sounds scarier even the
floor.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I don't know fluoride I've already forgotten what it
was called.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, yeah, nano, hypoxic, tight or something, but
it's supposed to help with theremineral or me remineralization
of your teeth.
Anyways, the point is to avoidsugar, yeah, but the tooth.
But my point is every day,everyone who brushes their teeth
which is everyone, hopefullyonce or twice a day, hopefully
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you are jacking up your sugarsensors in your tongue, which is
bad for your body and and willthen either will make you have
sugar cravings the rest of theday and or might even just cause
metabolic issues for your body.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Isn't that?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
interesting Look at that Solution from the MV.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
New toothpaste.
New toothpaste Make your own.
So how do we get people thisrecipe?
Because I'm a lazy person.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I don't want to look it up.
What do I do?
I can link the recipe in theshow notes.
It's extremely simple, althoughit is kind of expensive.
I bought probably enoughingredients to make like like I
don't know, two gallons of it.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Oh, so this is a business, you need people to buy
this from you no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I'm saying if you want to make your own, you're in
your lab making gianttoothpaste vats, if you want to
make your own you have to committo, you know minimum, the
minimum size of ingredients thatyou need, like three grams of
in like a tube this big.
That costs $40.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So you can't buy like little amounts of the chemicals
you need to make it.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, who are?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
you, john colgate, what are you trying to?
Yeah, buy all your toothpaste,but what?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
we need is for a toothpaste company to recognize
that there is like toms.
I mean, it could just be likean all-natural toothpaste
company like toms could justrelease a sweetness-free flavor,
and then I would buy it and Iwould hope more people would buy
it too, because I think itreally does make a difference.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
So how long are you going to continue?
You've got two gallons of thisnow, so you're going to continue
for a while.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well, I have enough ingredients to make two gallons.
I've only made this much,probably like three ounces.
Was it a laborious process?
Or you just like mix it up in abowl, mix it up, it turns into
like a paste and then you likekind of mash it into this tube
and then it it has, when I tookit on a plane, all the like
glycerin and water likeseparated out and it became like
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a hard paste and then it reallydidn't reincorporate, so I
wouldn't take it on a plane.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Well, you think that's just the altitude messing
with it.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I think the pressure made it go through a separation
process, but then since Ibrought it home again, it's
gotten.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
And have you gotten any other test subjects to try
out your paste, or is it justyou so far?
End of one.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I was going to have my wife use it.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
You know it's got actually a really good
consistency now adam is reallygood open to the lid on his
little travel bottle and he'sstaring into it lovingly it's
like a silicone like a proudfather wish it, yeah good boy,
look at what I have made.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
That's a good pig.
That's a good pig.
That's a good pig like babe.
Yeah, this is actually a reallygood.
Uh pace now.
It was a little bit wet when Ifirst made it, but anyways,
that's the solution.
Very cool.
Stay away from sugar make yourown toothpaste and either make
your own toothpaste or let's geta little letter out to the, to
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the companies, and say well, I?
I should say too that I I wasalso looking for protein powder,
because occasionally I'll havea protein powder.
Almost all protein powders havestevia in them.
Ah, because it's perceived as ahealthy.
It is healthy, like they'vestudied stevia.
It's healthy, it has healthbenefits.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
It's a vitamin A.
Straight shot of protein is nota tasty situation, so they've
got to do something there.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And they don't want to put sugar in it because
everyone's like scared of sugar,which actually if you did it
with glucose it wouldn't be asbad really.
Or even like low fructose, likewe've talked about before, like
talked about before.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Right, but they're like we want that calorie number
to be zero, so Stevia it is.
So they do.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Stevia, but.
Stevia is extremely sweet,sweeter than sugar.
It's much sweeter than sugar,and so they make these ultra
sweet tasting powders, which aresupposed to be improving your
health, right, because they'rethese healthy protein shake
things.
But actually those people whouse those protein shakes are
going to end up with metabolicissues and with amped up taste
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buds for sweet, which are thengoing to hurt their health goals
the rest of the day whenthey're trying to avoid sugar.
And so I also got a proteinshake.
So to do this experiment, Ididn't just change my toothpaste
, I also got rid of all Steviaproducts.
Like my protein shakes, Iswitched to a protein of stevia
free protein powder, which youcan buy in whole foods.
(26:31):
There's a uh flavorless, likean original flavor vegan protein
powder.
Okay, that that that has nostevia in it.
It's just it's like pumpkinseed protein and that's all it
is bro, are you putting proteininto your toothpaste?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
is that why you're?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
that's how I got these muscular teeth.
I got these buff teeth dude,really buff teeth.
So I had to get rid of thestevia I has from my protein
powder.
I also had to get rid of mytoothpaste that had xylitol in
it.
And then I was looking forother secret sweeteners.
You know Tums.
I didn't realize until just now, secret sweeteners, so I got to
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get original.
You know no flavor Tums.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
You have to.
You're on a mission to get ridof all the Get rid of all sweets
.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Sweets in your life, because if you eliminate all
sweets, then all the cravings goaway, because it becomes like
an elimination, a trueelimination diet.
And now I don't, and then Iwouldn't house cookies all day
long, which would then help mereach my goals, my health goals.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
It's like when you're blind.
Your other senses areheightened.
Yes, and you can have daredevilpowers if you can just get rid
of the sugar in your life.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I've also noticed that with sugar.
So if you eliminate all thesesweeteners that are everywhere
around us completely, includingtoothpastes and medicines and
protein powders and everything,then food has too much taste.
If you eat like a bowl of rice,it's like a bowl of ice cream.
It's too much.
It's so good?
No, it's great Like.
(27:59):
Imagine if you could eat a bowlof ice cream for dinner.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
That's what eating like a bowl of rice with like
meat.
Well, yeah, you can eat,anything you can eat I'm a
grown-up, I can do that if Iwant it does.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I noticed this when I was in japan.
Did you notice this in japan?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
because eating bowls of ice cream for dinner only
when I was really sad actuallylike in japan, the traditional
food has no sweetness.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
No right, yeah.
And then they give you like asprig of mint for dessert and
you're like, oh my god, thissprig of mint tastes like
amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Well, there's definitely a milder sweet
profile, like where in sweets,because they'll have stuff that
is american sweet, and thenjapanese people are like no, no,
it's too sweet.
Yeah, but like a, you know, youget like a sweet mochi, yeah,
with like a little bit of asweet red bean paste inside and
you're like this this isdelightful.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
This is the perfect level.
Yeah, the Germans do it too,the Germans.
Everything's less sweet inGermany.
Everything's toned way down,wow.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Well, the Germans and Japanese should like team up or
something.
Yeah, has that ever not gonewell in the past.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Very well, very well.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
So we should see this on the shelves soon.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Dr Brous's Brothers.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Flavorless paste for your teeth Flavorless toothpaste
.
Flavorless paste for your teeththings.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Flavorless tooth powder.
I like it.
I like that.
That's fun, I love it, love it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I love diy.
You know what we are doing thison zoom, but if we were in
person I would try it.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I'll try it next time , okay I see you if you, I'll,
yeah, I'll bring, if you make mea little smudge, or bring me a
little bit, I'll, I'll give it abrush.
Yeah, I mean, I mean that Idon't.
I'm not, you know, I'd be fine.
Because here's the thing I'mnot some like crazy person who's
like oh, fluoride's anendocrine disruptor like I've.
I've used fluoride my wholelife.
All I can tell my endocrinesare working just fine.
(29:52):
Like I got endocrines.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
They're working, you know so you drank a six pack of
fluoride last night.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Just yeah, delicious, delicious um, so I'm not scared
of all that stuff.
So I'm not afraid of, like somedental scientists, making a
super sophisticated you know,chemical toothpaste.
I'm not against any of that.
My point is just all of thosescientists have decided that
it's fine to include a lot ofsweetener, right, and that's the
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problem you're like maybe wedon't have to start, so I didn't
make a diy one because I'm likeit's made out of eucalyptus
bark and dirt.
You know, like I didn't.
I didn't do it to like be a agaia mother or something.
I did it only because I justwanted to get the no sweetener,
which you want to show thedental scientists the way yes,
(30:40):
and so for all of our dentalscientist listeners, of which
there are many, we have a fullwing of dental scientists on
this podcast.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Oh right, I notice that every time the dental
science block downloads theepisode, we get a big bump.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Their comments are toothy, toothy, oh no, toothsome
, toothsome, that's a great word.
Toothsome, toothsome, tooth,tooth, some tooth.
I mean it means delicious right.
Houndstooth, houndstooth,favorite pattern, great pattern.
Also, what's an, what's analternative?
I mean, do you know of anyother patterns that have a name
like that?
Nope, bluetooth wipes bluetooth, which is named after
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houndstooth, a norwegian king.
Did you know that KingBluetooth yeah, bluetooth is
named after.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
No way.
Okay, adam, you can't justthrow a nonsense.
Lie at me at the end.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
It's not a lie.
In 1990, said to be named afterKing Harold.
Bluetooth 910 to 85, creditedwith uniting Denmark and Norway.
As Bluetooth technology unifiesthe telecommunications and
computing industries, holy kingharald bluetooth.
(31:53):
It's named after him and the.
The bluetooth symbol is amodification yeah, it's a
modification of the of the holycow, I thought you were pulling
my leg no way man.
That man, that's the weirdestthing ever.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, oh, it's because the three industry
leaders Intel, Ericsson andNokia met.
So Nokia up in Finland, right.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Met to plan the standardization of short-range
radio technology and during themeeting some guy Jim Kardach
from Intel suggested Bluetoothas a temporary code name.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
That's wild.
This guy from Intel suggestedBluetooth as a temporary
codename.
That's wild.
This guy from Intel was likelet's call it Bluetooth.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I didn't even believe that, and then it was like
let's just keep calling itBluetooth.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Alright, you want me to throw you an obscure king
name?
Bring it on.
Okay, you know Nimrod.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
From the Bible you call people Nimrod.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Oh, Nimrod is an idiot.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Do you know King Nimrod?
No, what he's famous for in theBible and why he got.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I know he's from the Bible but I didn't know he was
an idiot.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
King.
Nimrod's the guy who said whydon't we build a tower so tall
it gets to heaven.
This is the Tower of Babelstory.
That is the idea.
Each other, nimrod, when theydo something dumb, so there you
go.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Not a great legacy, trade a little historical king
facts with you.
Yeah, that's pretty goodHistorical king.
Yeah, should we finish up?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Toothpaste everyone.
Take all the sugar, take allthe sweetener out of your whole
diet and see if you stop gettingsugar cravings.
I think you'll see that itworks.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Go out to your not stores and don't buy the
toothpaste that's not there,because Adam has the only bottle
of it.
Or just don't brush your teethat all.
Oh, that's good.
Yes, don't brush your teeth,that's what we should be telling
people Protected bike lanes anddon't brush your teeth.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
That's the two messages of the pod and we're
starting a dentist office, so doyou have any problems with that
?
No, tooth brushing, you canalways come, drop by this sfm.
Come by for all your dentalscience needs and we will be
happy to hook you up.
All right, everybody.
See you next time, keep itclimaty, indeed.
(34:08):
All right, bye, thank you.
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