March 5, 2024 • 34 mins
Prepare to be tickled by the thought of "Parks and Rec" star Adam Scott endorsing our humble podcast, as we find ourselves wrapped up in a name game that's equal parts amusing and bewildering. But it's not all chuckles and snickers; we strap in for a heady debate on Apple's potential pivot into the nuclear scene with the whimsically coined "Apple Core" reactors. This week's episode jaunts from celebrity musings to the fertile ground of energy innovation, offering a blend of laughter and contemplation that's sure to energize your curiosity.
With the wheels of our conversation greased, we cruise into the enigmatic Project Titan, imagining Apple's automotive ambitions without succumbing to the puns of 'CarPod.' The dialogue then takes a scenic route to discuss corporate giants and their market-shaking moves, all while unpacking the promise of small modular nuclear reactors. These pint-sized powerhouses could alter the energy landscape forever, and we're here painting a vivid picture of this nuclear new world order, minus the usual tech jargon.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Adam, do you think we need a celebrity to endorse our
show?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Celebrities from Multiverse.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Well, just like you know, have a get, a get a
perfect celebrity to match oursure, our show.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
What are you thinking ?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Well, our two names together Give us a couple of
options.
I'm Scott, you're a high.
Everybody the solutions withMultiverse.
I'm Scott Moppen, adam Brous.
Right, so I'm Scott and you'reAdam.
So Scott Adams is one celebrityDo you know who this person is?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
No.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
This is he's famous for originally making a little
cartoon called Dilbert.
Oh, he just got canceled.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Big time yes.
He's more famous recently forbeing wild on the internet and
having.
Why would we want?
This is the worst.
I don't think he's good.
We're playing the game Worstsolutions game or the worst
suggestions game.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
We'll see what I'm doing here is I'm priming you
because I'm going to flip itOkay flip our names Adam Scott's
.
Adam Scott from is an actor.
He was on Parks and Rec.
I was just in Madam Web.
He does podcasts.
I know him from a lot ofdifferent comedy bang bang
podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Oh, Adam Scott from coming bang bang.
Is that the main guy who doescoming bang?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
No, that's Scott Ockerman, but another, adam
Scott, does side projects withhim.
Like are you talking, you twoto me, and rim like great
whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Let's get them.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
All right, I wanted your permission.
I don't want your permission.
Go for it, okay cool.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'll dial up Adam Scott and say look, my name's
Scott.
My co-host is named Adam.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
We need you to endorse our show or come on.
At the very least, just come on.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Right, yeah, he's on a show called Severance actually
that was just on Apple TV,isn't that the?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
that's the main guy from coming bang bang.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
It's really good.
That is him.
No, Scott Ockerman is the mainguy at comedy bang bang, I got
confused, but he's on there.
He's on there a bunch AdamScott's on there, yeah, I really
like Severance is good.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I loved him on Parks and Rec.
I loved him on Severance.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
He was in an old movie called Torque which was
basically Fast and Furious withmotorcycles.
It did not blow up like Fastand Furious, but I remember him
on that when I was in Japanseeing him there.
Yeah, he's fun.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Okay, I'll go Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'll put that in the Okay, we'll put that on the to
do list, we'll have Adam ScottWe'll see who will as soon as I
can get him.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
All right, well, we just we already introduced the
podcast, but just so everyoneknows, you know, we always talk
about new solutions every week.
That's the concept, that's the,that's the core.
That's the core.
Yeah, that's funny that yousaid that.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
What Wait?
Why is that funny?
Oh, because I'm a comedy guy.
Well, anything I say is funny.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well, it's debating two solutions to do, but then
you just said, like the word,that is one of them and I was
going to do the other one.
Okay, so now you said theactual ideas name.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
No, you just said the ideas name.
Wait what I'm joking.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Okay, switch gears audible.
We're going to do that oneinstead of the other one.
We'll do the other one nextweek.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Okay, so stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Have you seen this new?
Okay, should I say the solution?
Sure, okay, the solution isApple.
What the company Apple?
Okay, instead of launching theVision Pro, which is a bunch of
crap, they should launch smallmodular nuclear reactors and
call it Apple core.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
That was the idea that I.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
You just said that, what that was weird.
Did I like queue you up somehowto say it?
No, whoa, so wait, that's theidea.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Apple core.
I just said that, Okay, that'sreally wild.
But Back up to the weird partwhere you're saying small, what
Small modular reactors.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, they're called SMR small modular reactors, Like
the thing in Iron Man's chest.
Yeah, but bigger than thatthey're the size of Well.
The common size is like atwo-story building, but a tube.
They kind of look like Well,you can build them.
All different form factors, Atwo-story tall tube.
It's like a two-story.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, it's like a With nuclear reactor stuff
inside.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well, think of a normal reactor.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
This is huge like Simpsons.
I think of a normal reactor allthe time.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Bro, I'm always thinking about normal reactors
you don't have to tell me theclassic traditional reactor is
50 stories tall.
Think of Homer Simpson where heworked the big, huge.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
The funnel, funnel, yeah, chernobyl thing, exactly
so.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
The classic reactor is ginormous and it's extremely
expensive, and this is whateverybody says oh my God,
nuclear is so expensive.
So even though there's allthese problems with nuclear, but
the worm hath turned on nuclearin public opinion.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
The worm hath turned.
The worm hath turned Is that aphrase to you.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, there's a phrase Actually I think it's the
worm doth turn.
Where is it from?
It's just a phrase in English.
It means like there's been asea change.
It means there's been areversal, the tables have turned
.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
The worm hath turned you wake up.
Good morning Adam, good morningHerman.
Maybe it is hath turned.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Maybe it's the worm hath turned.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Anyways, the point is there's been a reversal, so a
lot of people environmentalistswere like first.
Environmentalists were againstnuclear from the 60s and 70s.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And then even in the 2000s, people like kind of
progressives, were kind ofagainst Environmentalists, were
kind of against nuclear.
But now a bunch of really smartenvironmentalists are actually
like, no, we definitely do needto do nuclear and it was a big
mistake to slow down and stopnuclear at all.
We should have been doing itthis whole time because people
are starting to weigh risksagainst each other and the risk
(05:51):
of climate change is at thispoint entirely eminent.
We are already hurtling towardsvery bad scenarios and I know
there's like optimists out therewho are like, oh, but the
government policies on the bookswill limit heating to two
degrees centigrade.
It's like.
It's like when have you believedgovernments to like do things
(06:12):
on the timelines?
They say they're gonna do Likeeverything's quadrupled the
budget in 10 times the length,so yeah, so I think we're
hurtling towards this negativeoutcome.
So people are starting torealize, oh, the long-term risk
of like managing nuclear wasteand building reactors that are
kind of expensive is way smallerthan the.
They force certain near-termrisks of the oils, the
(06:37):
hyperstorms and millions ofrefugees from moving out of
drought.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Can we just not build them near like places where?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
tidal waves.
So this is the cool thing.
Yeah, don't build them by theocean.
But here's the cool thing thesesmall modular reactors are like
the future and people arealready doing this, and this is
how Apple builds products.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
People are doing their own small modular nuclear
reactors.
I have two in my basement, shutup.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Is that why Iron man?
Is that why my hair stands upright in my chest?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Put it into my chest already.
There's a vague hum everywhere.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
when I get near your house, it's delicious, keeps
everything nice and toasty, niceand warm.
No, so let me explain how Applebuilds products.
Okay, All right, so Appleinnovating Wait I know this
answer.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
They have a factory with nets around it because it
makes people miserable, oh myGod.
And then they work them 26hours a day building phones.
Those are probably.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Apple's suppliers.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Oh, okay, those are Apple.
Maybe it is Apple.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I don't know, but here's how Apple builds products
.
They do not.
So people think Apple'sinnovative and they are sort of
innovative, but they're notactually like breakthrough
innovative.
What they do is they find amarket, they wait until that
market develops and a bunch ofpeople spend a ton of money
developing that market,developing consumer awareness
(07:53):
for that product, developing thetechnology for that product,
and then Apple comes out late inthat competitive process with
their take on that thing insideof their vertical integration
system.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I thought you were gonna say they buy over the
company.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
No, they just do Well , they do make small
acquisitions around in the space.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But a lot of times they'll just snake up, but then
they make their own product.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So, like Bluetooth headphones, there were, remember
, those like ugly plastic, likegray, like Bluetooth headphone,
things that people would have.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
They were like on their.
They were on their face andthey looked like little
torpedoes and they'd go on theirear.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
It was like a Bluetooth headphone.
Okay, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, so that was already there.
Yeah, so that was already there.
That was a developing market.
And then Apple came out withthe AirPods and it just
Destroyed it, it justobliterated it because the
AirPods you just opened thelittle opening case and it
synced with your phone instantly.
They pop in, they pop out, theycharge, they got a battery,
they got a thing it's likeperfectly in their ecosystem and
(08:58):
just disrupts that growingmarket.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I've never used AirPods.
I've never had an iPhone.
Do you?
Are they that much better?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Like, do you?
Speaker 1 (09:06):
are they really good?
They're amazing Cause I mean Ihave had I have cordless
earphones and I think they'regreat.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
They're fine.
Yeah, apple headphones are justfantastic, okay, and then a lot
of the ones you see now Is thatwhy they dominated, though?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Because they build out like not just come out with
the same thing, but come outwith a high quality, like
version that people like Highquality version and integrated
into their vertical sort ofsystem, and they've already
created this brand desire wherenow they're like well, if I'm
choosing between two things, theone's the Apple brand.
I'm the Apple brand person, soI buy the Apple brand person and
(09:39):
it's not completely like on theApple brand person, like I'm
the Prada brand person.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
There's a reason.
I mean they integrate with yourother devices perfectly, like I
can sit down on my couch andput in my Bluetooth earphones
and press power on my Apple TVand it instantly syncs cause it
knows it's in my ears and so itjust contextually-.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So they know the importance of that frustration
point of trying to get somethingto connect and not connecting
over and over and having to turnoff your one thing and turn off
the other thing and turn offyour.
Bluetooth and then turn it backon.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
That doesn't happen at all, and they're like if we
can eliminate that.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
If we can prioritize, this thing connects instantly.
People are gonna put it aheadof other things in like far
ahead.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Okay, this is called, like it just works, sort of the
user experience theory.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So the nuclear reactor syncs to my phone.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, so you can track all your nuclear reactor
energy.
So here's my premise the smallnuclear reactor market is
exactly at that moment whenApple usually swoops in and,
like, releases their version.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's that stage of evolution, at that stage, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
There's already, like lots of people, lots of little
companies and even big companieshave put a lot of money in to
like make a lot of headway andlike develop people's awareness
of it and develop, you know,technologies that are
breakthrough technologies.
You need to make it work andhave tried a few things and a
few things didn't work and a fewthings have been working.
This is the perfect time forApple to do it.
(11:14):
Now, why should Apple do that?
Two reasons.
I got a third reason.
Well, it's your reason.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Well, I mean, I was gonna say climate change.
Oh, go ahead, no yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Climate change.
The climate crisis can't justbe something governments do and
green companies do.
It has to be something thatevery single corporation does.
They have to change everythingthey're doing and fix the
climate change.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
That's for sure, the bigger the corporation, the more
you need to do and the biggerthe corporation the more
responsibility you have and themore opportunity you have to do
it Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The other reason is that this actually, I believe,
fits into Apple's ecosystem.
Not necessarily to theirconsumers, but it fits into
Apple's ecosystem in the sensethat the consumers are all
charging their phone, it's allelectricity, and Apple has these
huge data centers that all usea huge amount of electricity and
(12:07):
these modular nuclear reactorscould be used in those data
centers and chip factories andevery part of the ecosystem that
battery factories, everywherewhere you need energy, that
Apple could be then sellingthese Apple Core small nuclear
reactors.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, I mean, and the same way that, like, one of the
assets of having a Tesla isthat you get access to these
Tesla superchargers wherever yougo.
It's like you're freeelectricity generated by us.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You're like all right .
I mean, if that was Well, it'snot generated by them, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
All right.
Well, if that was Apple's, yeah, provided for you.
If that was Apple's like thingwhere they're just like, yeah,
we're.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Have you ever heard of Project Titan?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
No.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
This is Apple's self-driving car.
Oh Okay, apple building aself-driving car Cool.
So basically, this To the sameplaybook.
I just told you they're doingit for self-driving cars.
Okay, they're waiting for Teslaand Waymo and Cruz and Zooks
and to do all the mistakes anddevelop all this technology and
train all these employees, andthen Apple will just come out
(13:10):
with the Apple car.
The project's called ProjectTitan.
Who knows what it'll be called?
I car, I car.
What a horrible name.
Probably Apple.
They've gotten rid of the Istuff.
They're switching over to AppleX, apple, this.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
That's true, so maybe they'll call them.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Apple or air car.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Car plus Car pod.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Car pod is pretty good.
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
No, it's not Tim Cook .
Do not do that.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Do not do it.
I know you're listening, don'tcall it a car pod.
But so I was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
The third thing that I was gonna say is that
companies, big companies, aretrying to buy things and get
bigger and, like Disney, sort ofhas the corner now on media,
where Apple's a media companybut Disney's like we'll buy Fox.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
They will buy Apple.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
If Sony comes up for sale, disney's gonna gobble them
up, because Spider-Man orwhatever you know like they'll
be by Marvel.
They buy Star Wars and soApple's like okay, I guess we'll
start buying like nuclear react, like we need to pivot
somewhere and this is anotherspace to get big.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
They did this for streaming.
They let Netflix and all theseyou know, Matt, HBO, all these
people start everything, trythings, develop a whole sort of
flow of how things got createdand purchasing agreements worked
and how actors thought aboutthe new streaming marketplace
and then they launched.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Apple TV Plus.
Who kicks the door in and comesright into the room?
Ted freaking Lasso ExactlyWalks in the door and says
welcome to Apple everybody.
People love Ted Lasso, love it.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, and morning show people love that, and
Killers of the Flower Moon justrecently was like, really was
like really big and important.
So it was just like Apple doesthis.
This is their playbook.
So the solution today is dothis for small modular nuclear
reactors.
They can do it.
They have a supply chain tobuild things like this.
(15:01):
They are okay.
Now we gotta get into smallmodular nuclear reactors.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
We've gotta get into this, so people learn about this
.
Okay, so these are the two ofus are the people to tell people
about nuclear reaction.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, I know, some I've educated myself about this?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I do not.
I'm not an expert.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
But I've learned a lot about it.
Okay, so, basically, the ideais, the bulk of the lift is If
you build a nuclear power plantat any time in history, even
current ones that are beingbuilt, they're totally bespoke,
they're built completely.
Yeah, they're Artisanal.
Yeah, they're bespoke.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
They're built by hand .
There's not a lot of I imaginesomething like a steampunk thing
with people turning wrenchesand gaskets and different things
, and it's going.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
They have like a thing on the side of their top
hats.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Christopher Lloyd from Back to the Future like
something that he would buildlike some weird that's how
nuclear reactors are built.
They literally what?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
They're not standardized.
Oh my gosh, they're notstandardized.
You're freaking me out.
No, it's true.
Every nuclear actor, they havesome standardized things.
Like you buy wire, it's allgonna come wire.
You buy tubes?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
you buy tubes, but if you hey, buy some tubes, buy
some wire.
You need to like move what kind, I don't know.
It's gonna be wire Wires, gonnabe wire tubes.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You buy fans, they're all kind of things.
But if you say, okay, what'sthe constellation of all those
things into a nuclear reactor?
Every one is very different.
They each do it a different way.
And then when they do it, theydo it at a certain scale, to a
certain size, and then all theseproblems come up and it's like
they have to overcome all theseproblems.
It's a huge engineering problembecause everything's different
in every location and thecooling systems are done a
(16:33):
little differently.
Oh, we'll do it this way thistime, we'll do it that way,
we'll do it a little better nexttime.
So every single time it's likedifferent.
The small modular nuclearreactors eliminates that.
Every single one is just like aself-contained nuclear reactor
that's built exactly to spec andthen it goes into a system it
plugs into like a system that isalso to spec.
(16:56):
So if you want one, you justorder it whatever.
If a hospital wants to haveendless energy, never it would
be off the grid.
Like, say, a hospital says wedon't ever wanna be on the grid
anymore.
Like, mayo Clinic doesn't wannabe connected to the American
grid, they just wanna be off thegrid and be totally protected.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
They could just and job security If they have
constant nuclear radiation goingon in their communities then
they're gonna have more peoplecoming in.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
There's no radiation Needing treatment.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Oh sorry, what this is a safe?
These are extremely safe.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
These are extremely safe.
So what they do is they orderit.
It comes, it arrives on like atruck and the specifications of
where it needs to be plugged in.
The people show up, they dig ahole that's two stories deep,
like a 25 foot hole.
They fill it in with concrete.
They build the electricitywiring so that the electricity
can come out.
Transformers, whatever it needs, everything it needs.
(17:45):
And then the nuclear reactorjust gets slotted in like a
battery, and then it just getscemented over the top and all
that comes out is power,completely self-contained.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And it's all has.
Is that possible?
That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
This is what small modular reactors are.
They don't require maintenance,and when they do need
maintenance, the company comesand does the maintenance.
So there's no like.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Well, how are you gonna do maintenance on
something that's encased in?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
like a mile of concrete.
Well, I don't know if theyencase the top.
I can't remember if they reallyclose it off but it's
completely self-contained andyou don't go in there.
Only the people from thecompany go in and do anything in
there.
You just order it and pay themoney and they show up and they
put it in and then now you havefree power.
It produces megawatts of energy, like huge amounts of
(18:32):
electricity, and you can havethem in series.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
So say you want triple that, you just buy three
of them and they're in series inone and three things.
You think these are safe enough, you'd be okay with one, being
like next door to eat.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I'd eat breakfast on top one every day.
I wouldn't care at all.
No, because it's just science.
The radiation can't get through.
I think they're also encased inthe tube.
Inside has the actualradioactive uranium fuel rod is
inside.
And then that is encased in Ithink water, and then that's
(19:06):
encased in the actual tube whichhas multiple layers and then
that's put inside of the cementthing and then that has safety
things all around it and everylayer has sensors and all of it
is sensorized.
So everyone knows what thetemperature is all the time and
it's always it's totallymaintained and protected and
safe.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Now imagine that within one of those tubes
there's actually a tiny spider.
Okay, Now follow me on this thetiny spider is in the radiation
but, it's small enough to getthrough the crack.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yes, yes, All right.
Do you see where I'm going?
And I'm sitting there eating acroissant.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And you see the spider coming up to you and you
just squish it with your, youjust stomp on it and smash the
spider.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I went another direction than I thought.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Cause I kill spiders, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
crazy that you said apple core.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
That is weird.
I didn't prime you to do that.
That was not set up at all.
I didn't set that up.
That's weird.
Yeah, that's a Creepy Synchrony.
That's not the word Synchrony.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Synchrony yeah, so apple could do this.
They could be saying this isour climate privilege.
Also, I'll just point out theenergy market in the world.
Right Cause apple is a globalcompany.
Yes, the energy market in theworld is I mean, I don't even
know the number, but it's gottabe what 10, a hundred times
(20:18):
larger than the personalelectronics market, which means,
from a business perspective,this is like you know.
This is like a big opportunityto make like a lot of money,
like more money than theycouldn't make as an electronics
company.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I think so I mean to become a utility.
Essentially is the yeah, andthey could do it, they could
pull it off.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
They have the global footprint, the manufacturing
relationships, supply chain,engineering ability, cash cash
on hand and they have 300, theyhave a couple hundred billion
dollars just cash.
They could pour that cash intothis investment.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
It would be a worthwhile investment to do, and
it lets you pivot your societyinto electrified society.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Electrified society.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I mean it's like Tron cities or like.
Tokyo, you know like wherethings are.
You can use power to do allsorts of new things you didn't
even think of.
You can have sections of theyeah.
You can start doing maglevtrains everywhere.
You know what I mean, Like highspeed rail.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Right, and then you can plug in.
You plug into these nuclearreactors, you can plug in green
hydrogen.
So this is what people aretalking about.
Green hydrogen is just Soundsdangerous Sounds, toxic bro.
A bunch of green hydrogen gas.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Now, that's where your superhero comes from.
So green hydrogen, so there'sblue hydrogen, oh, there's gray,
I think it's gray hydrogen,blue hydrogen, green hydrogen
and pink and red, and then theyall have, and then they turn
orange and then they go to get,and then they Voltron, they go
to get, they form hydrogenVoltron and they take on the
reader of Pulsar.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I got you, bro.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I understand, yes, you are way ahead of me, the
green hydrogen ranger.
What are you saying?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
So you say you don't want to have electric cars
because you don't like I don'tknow, you think the batteries
wear out or something.
You want to have hydrogen cars.
This is not a crazy idea.
Actually, Toyota is notinvesting in lithium ion cars.
They're investing way more inhydrogen cars, which sounds
crazy to a lot of people, butactually that's what they're
doing.
That's what the biggest carcompany in the world is doing.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
No one talks about that.
How do you fill up a car like ahydrogen fuel cell?
Do you have?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
to fill that up.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Do you go to a place and put hydrogen in your car?
Hydrogen.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I think they make the cells and then you just take
the cells and replace emptycartridges with new cartridges.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
You don't like fill it.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Do you do that at your house?
Or no just stations, or theycould be delivered to your house
.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I just don't know that process.
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
That's one of the things they kind of have to
figure out, but mostly they putthem in these like tanks.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Because I understand plug my car into this thing in
the wall Because, like gas, thatmakes sense.
I understand that you would notdo that with hydrogen, because
the hydrogen would be under highpressure.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
So you put it in this like tube that's safe, wrapped
in aluminum and strong metalsand carbon fibers.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Like the CO2 cartridges To really protect it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And then it'd be really under pressure.
You would not want to likeshoot this thing with a gun,
that would be bad, but it wouldbe safe otherwise and then you'd
put it into your car, you'dslot it in and you'd slot the
empty one out and slot itProbably I don't really know
exactly but I think that's whatthey do.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Okay, that's not important, but anyways, green
hydrogen.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
So right now most of the hydrogen in the world is
gray hydrogen.
Which means they burn you knowthey're burning coal or they're
burning natural gas and actuallyhydrogen is released.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And they gather it and then they're like here's
some hydrogen, but that's notcarbon neutral.
That's bad.
You don't want to burn naturalgas to get you know, you want to
get green hydrogen.
So then there's blue hydrogen.
Blue hydrogen is where yougenerate hydrogen from
electrolysis.
So you put electricity intowater and then water unbinds
itself, so H2O becomes H2 and O2.
(23:45):
So you get your hydrogen out ofthat that's called blue
hydrogen.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Does that create ozone?
No, is that O2?
No, that's O3.
But the problem is.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Blue hydrogen is when you do that with electricity
generated through burning coal,still like burning fossil fuels.
Green hydrogen is when you doelectrolysis with renewable
energy.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
And now there's a bunch of subsidies for green
hydrogen.
And if you're creating hydrogen, you have to now prove to the
government that you areproducing it in a green way, not
with blue or gray way, andthere's subsidies for that.
So that means there's subsidiesfor you to take one of these
nuclear reactors, or 20 of themin series, yeah, and be a green
hydrogen Producer.
(24:25):
Even a gas station which waslike a hydrogen gas station
could have one of these nuclearreactors, or two of them on site
right and have its ownelectrolysis hydrogen generation
on site and be producing.
So essentially, today you getgas out of the ground in Saudi
Arabia yeah.
You ship it all the way toAmerica tankers they put they
put it on trucks, they ship itto every gas station and they
(24:47):
transplanted into the ground.
This, you would just that therewould just be a station and it
would just be producing all theenergy that all the cars needed
To have high.
I like that cool.
Yeah, and it's always safe andthere's a and there's a
recycling aspect here.
So when you use a uranium rod,like a fuel rod, when I use one,
(25:08):
when you use it, what do you do?
With it.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Tell me what your day-to-day me, I like to
decorate with uranium rodsaround the house from here there
to kind of brighten up a darkspace with a warm I do them like
in my fingers, like this, andthen I rave.
Oh yeah, I've seen the videosof you doing that on tiktok.
People like you could use glowsticks, you like?
(25:31):
No, no, no, you're ready.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Well, huh, but uh so when you use up a uranium fuel
rod, say it's at the end of itslife, guess what percentage of
it has been used?
It's gonna be low, it's gottabe low Uh.
I don't know.
5% no yes.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
You've only used 5% and then they're like all right,
chuck, it's done.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Because because, because all that 5% is scattered
throughout the whole thing,okay, and so it's not gonna give
off nearly, it's not gonna dowhat it's supposed to do.
Not, it's not sparkly you keep,you keep shooting things at it
to try to keep Fissioning.
It's a flat and it's not gonnafission anymore because the
reaction can't go through.
It, can't you know?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
because the reaction is a chain reaction has to go
through it, yeah it stops goingthrough it because it's all
right.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
It keeps hitting dead ones already.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Right, a flat soda.
Like you pour the soda, it'sall nice and sparkly.
You drink it, yeah, and thenyou only drink five and then it
goes flat.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You're like I just pour anything that takes like a
network effect, you know, likean echo effect, if you, if you
dampen it, then it stops, itRetards the, you know, the
ability to go all the waythrough it.
We're not supposed to say thatword, but I think you're.
Sorry guys, this is not apolitically correct podcast.
So basically here's the thingthere is a way to recycle them
(26:52):
so you can take that 95% goodUranium right and you can
recycle it into 100% again andsend it back out.
Just put it in the blue bin,yeah so Apple, with the launch
of Apple Corps, could say thisis a closed loop system.
Not only are we planning thefull development of Apple, new
small nuclear reactors that aremuch cheaper and extremely
(27:13):
afford, you know, becausethey're using our full kind of
Engineers and our full you knowabilities and ecosystem and
manufacturing to do this.
So it's way cheaper and and youtrust it because it's Apple and
it's fully integrated into ouryou know, our power systems are
using our own Apple core stuff.
Actually, maybe it can't becalled Apple core, cuz maybe
that's the name of their chipsalready.
Aren't the M3 chips?
(27:33):
Aren't those called Apple core?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I don't know you, you , you slipped with Apple nuke
there for a second I was like nothat's not a good one.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
You can't have that one.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
So I was thinking Apple core is not a bad brand
anyways.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
So they they could launch that all and then they
could say this is a closed loopsystem, we're gonna also recycle
all of it which you wouldn'thave to recycle the first one,
for you know, 30 or 20 years orwhatever, like they last a
decade and recycling.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
It is dig out, the giant come they pick, yeah they.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
They take out the tube crack it all?
No, they don't know.
Well, they take it into a verysafe you know.
They truck it away totallysealed, okay, in a very safe
environment.
They, you know, theydeconstruct it, pull out the
tube right, safely, you know,carefully, make, do the process
of recycling it and then that'sconnected to the manufacturing
(28:22):
factory that's making the nextone right.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
What I love about that is I Don't have to think
about it for 30 years, likethat's gonna be those people.
Probably you never have tothink about it 30 years from now
I'll be retired and Enjoyingthe effects of climate change.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yes, and you can.
Apple can charge, not just forthe manufacture of these things,
but they can charge asubscription.
So they can say okay, you're,you're a hospital who wants to
do this, or you're a greenhydrogen place and you want one
of these or euro, whatever andyou want one of these, great,
you buy it for you know, 25million dollars, which you can
then finance over its wholelifetime because it's insured to
(28:58):
work right 30 years right, andwe want a subscription that
whole time too, for all themaintenance and everything, and
then you have a recycling fee atthe end, all baked in it sounds
, it's not.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
That plan is not dissimilar to the ones where you
get one of those full Solarroof things.
Yeah, where you like, it's ahuge upfront investment that it
pays off slowly over time andyou do a subscription to
whatever the Whoever, thegenerator, and you ensure it and
yeah, yeah yeah, yeah so.
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I don't know if this works out with what's called the
levelized cost, the levelizedcost of energy.
The levelized cost of energywhat?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
is that.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That's how you compare apples to apples between
different methods of generationof electricity.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
So if you look at like wind, solar, okay, you know
natural gas the best for thebuck.
Yeah, exactly, these are all sodifferent.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
How do you really compare their costs?
Well, you do this thing calledlevelized cost of energy, and so
I don't know exactly what itboils down to, but but the, the
cost, the.
I know that small modularnuclear reactors are Right now
having like a breakout moment,like they're happening.
This is it.
They're starting.
There will be SMR's.
(30:10):
They're called SMR's smallnuclear react, small modular
reactors.
Okay, they're already happening.
I heard a podcast the other dayof a guy who's the CEO.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I've heard of a SMR's .
Yeah, those are a littlesimilar.
They're like yeah, that's myTrap trap, trap, trap, trap,
trap, trap, trap, trap.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Do you get the freeze on from ASMR?
No.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
What's the freeze on?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
That's, some people get this really pleasant
experience.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I don't think it does for me.
No, I don't think I have thatASMR, I just like everyone likes
it.
But yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
But anyways, you'd have to look at the levelized
cost and everything and you'dhave to see what Apple would say
the levelized cost of energy isfor them and their supply chain
and their sort of wholefinancial set Do you think
that's the next step toward likesmaller and smaller nuclear
power?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I mean, I'm trying to get to Iron man, but not this
is the next step.
Yes, Well, I'm trying to get toIron man, but not get to
Terminators.
You know what I mean.
I want that power to bepowering human suits, but not
powering AI robots.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Good luck, good luck.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Do you know any way to do that?
Is there a way to One of thereasons people are building.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I have a couple of companies that are building like
humanoid robots.
They were actually inspired bythe Fukushima disaster because
in Fukushima there was like partI guess there were things in
Fukushima where it was like thedoors were all closed and it was
like you can't go in there oryou'll die of radiation.
But literally, if someone justcould walk in and like turn to
knob, it would have like stoppedthe whole thing.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
And so if they just had had To sacrifice yourself
moment.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
If there had been a humanoid robot, they could have
just walked in and done it.
They could have stayed in therefor hours, you know, and they
would have been a radioactiverobot.
At the end you would have todestroy it.
But who cares as a robot, Right?
So actually some people are,you know, this is sort of a
safety thing.
But, these SMRs things, theirchances of going like you know,
nuclear or whatever are evenlike already modern nuclear
(32:09):
reactors.
There's like no chance of themgoing like Chernobyl.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Very low, like all like it happened in my lifetime
In decimal, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
But here's the thing about nuclear, though.
People should not be so scarednuclear, especially not the
small modular reactors, and thereason is, if you look at the
number of people who have dieddue to different energy sources,
this is a critical thing.
The number of people who havedied from nuclear energy is like
in the last, like 50 years, islike 10 people.
It's like nobody.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
They've had less time to go than like coal, but coal.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Even just now, coal is like hundreds of thousands,
like millions.
Because they get lung diseaseand they die.
And it's like they die of lungdisease from the coal.
And it's not just the coalminers, it's anybody who lives
anywhere near a coal power plantgets terrible, you know
particulate coal Oil isguilt-free, right, totally
guilt-free.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Well, that is where we started talking about an
apple.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Well, that is weird synchronicity.
You know it's so weird.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I was gonna talk about something completely
different.
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
This is how you find out that I've hacked your phone.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah right, you just know the ones.
No, there's no way, because youstill wouldn't know, because I
make the decision at the verylast minute.
I decided at the very lastsplit second what to do.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
This is how I tell you I have Professor X powers.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
That's true.
That would be a solution.
That would be a good solution.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Having Professor X.
Yeah, here's the solution haveProfessor X powers.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I guess one of the rules of SFM is it has to be
plausible.
It can't just be fantastical,it's a global we actually have.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I mean, we do have listeners in.
That's true.
Every continent, yes, everycontinent we have.
There is like one person inSouth America that's holding us
strong there.
I don't know who it is.
If you're the person in SouthAmerica that keeps listening,
this is great You're keeping uson all the.
We have more in other ones, butI love this.
The one in South America.
Who is it?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Solutiones del multiverso Perfecto.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Perfecto.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Perfecto, everyone is welcome.
We are global podcast.
Yeah, buenas noches, everybody.
Buenas noches.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
All right, take everybody.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
See ya, keep it climbing, ms News.
Adam, do you think we need a celebrity to endorse our
show?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Celebrities from Multiverse.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Well, just like you know, have a get, a get a
perfect celebrity to match oursure, our show.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
What are you thinking ?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Well, our two names together Give us a couple of
options.
I'm Scott, you're a high.
Everybody the solutions withMultiverse.
I'm Scott Moppen, adam Brous.
Right, so I'm Scott and you'reAdam.
So Scott Adams is one celebrityDo you know who this person is?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
No.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
This is he's famous for originally making a little
cartoon called Dilbert.
Oh, he just got canceled.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Big time yes.
He's more famous recently forbeing wild on the internet and
having.
Why would we want?
This is the worst.
I don't think he's good.
We're playing the game Worstsolutions game or the worst
suggestions game.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
We'll see what I'm doing here is I'm priming you
because I'm going to flip itOkay flip our names Adam Scott's
.
Adam Scott from is an actor.
He was on Parks and Rec.
I was just in Madam Web.
He does podcasts.
I know him from a lot ofdifferent comedy bang bang
podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Oh, Adam Scott from coming bang bang.
Is that the main guy who doescoming bang?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
No, that's Scott Ockerman, but another, adam
Scott, does side projects withhim.
Like are you talking, you twoto me, and rim like great
whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Let's get them.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
All right, I wanted your permission.
I don't want your permission.
Go for it, okay cool.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'll dial up Adam Scott and say look, my name's
Scott.
My co-host is named Adam.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
We need you to endorse our show or come on.
At the very least, just come on.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Right, yeah, he's on a show called Severance actually
that was just on Apple TV,isn't that the?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
that's the main guy from coming bang bang.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
It's really good.
That is him.
No, Scott Ockerman is the mainguy at comedy bang bang, I got
confused, but he's on there.
He's on there a bunch AdamScott's on there, yeah, I really
like Severance is good.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I loved him on Parks and Rec.
I loved him on Severance.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
He was in an old movie called Torque which was
basically Fast and Furious withmotorcycles.
It did not blow up like Fastand Furious, but I remember him
on that when I was in Japanseeing him there.
Yeah, he's fun.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Okay, I'll go Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'll put that in the Okay, we'll put that on the to
do list, we'll have Adam ScottWe'll see who will as soon as I
can get him.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
All right, well, we just we already introduced the
podcast, but just so everyoneknows, you know, we always talk
about new solutions every week.
That's the concept, that's the,that's the core.
That's the core.
Yeah, that's funny that yousaid that.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
What Wait?
Why is that funny?
Oh, because I'm a comedy guy.
Well, anything I say is funny.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well, it's debating two solutions to do, but then
you just said, like the word,that is one of them and I was
going to do the other one.
Okay, so now you said theactual ideas name.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
No, you just said the ideas name.
Wait what I'm joking.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Okay, switch gears audible.
We're going to do that oneinstead of the other one.
We'll do the other one nextweek.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Okay, so stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Have you seen this new?
Okay, should I say the solution?
Sure, okay, the solution isApple.
What the company Apple?
Okay, instead of launching theVision Pro, which is a bunch of
crap, they should launch smallmodular nuclear reactors and
call it Apple core.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
That was the idea that I.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
You just said that, what that was weird.
Did I like queue you up somehowto say it?
No, whoa, so wait, that's theidea.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Apple core.
I just said that, Okay, that'sreally wild.
But Back up to the weird partwhere you're saying small, what
Small modular reactors.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, they're called SMR small modular reactors, Like
the thing in Iron Man's chest.
Yeah, but bigger than thatthey're the size of Well.
The common size is like atwo-story building, but a tube.
They kind of look like Well,you can build them.
All different form factors, Atwo-story tall tube.
It's like a two-story.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, it's like a With nuclear reactor stuff
inside.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well, think of a normal reactor.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
This is huge like Simpsons.
I think of a normal reactor allthe time.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Bro, I'm always thinking about normal reactors
you don't have to tell me theclassic traditional reactor is
50 stories tall.
Think of Homer Simpson where heworked the big, huge.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
The funnel, funnel, yeah, chernobyl thing, exactly
so.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
The classic reactor is ginormous and it's extremely
expensive, and this is whateverybody says oh my God,
nuclear is so expensive.
So even though there's allthese problems with nuclear, but
the worm hath turned on nuclearin public opinion.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
The worm hath turned.
The worm hath turned Is that aphrase to you.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, there's a phrase Actually I think it's the
worm doth turn.
Where is it from?
It's just a phrase in English.
It means like there's been asea change.
It means there's been areversal, the tables have turned
.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
The worm hath turned you wake up.
Good morning Adam, good morningHerman.
Maybe it is hath turned.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Maybe it's the worm hath turned.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Anyways, the point is there's been a reversal, so a
lot of people environmentalistswere like first.
Environmentalists were againstnuclear from the 60s and 70s.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And then even in the 2000s, people like kind of
progressives, were kind ofagainst Environmentalists, were
kind of against nuclear.
But now a bunch of really smartenvironmentalists are actually
like, no, we definitely do needto do nuclear and it was a big
mistake to slow down and stopnuclear at all.
We should have been doing itthis whole time because people
are starting to weigh risksagainst each other and the risk
(05:51):
of climate change is at thispoint entirely eminent.
We are already hurtling towardsvery bad scenarios and I know
there's like optimists out therewho are like, oh, but the
government policies on the bookswill limit heating to two
degrees centigrade.
It's like.
It's like when have you believedgovernments to like do things
(06:12):
on the timelines?
They say they're gonna do Likeeverything's quadrupled the
budget in 10 times the length,so yeah, so I think we're
hurtling towards this negativeoutcome.
So people are starting torealize, oh, the long-term risk
of like managing nuclear wasteand building reactors that are
kind of expensive is way smallerthan the.
They force certain near-termrisks of the oils, the
(06:37):
hyperstorms and millions ofrefugees from moving out of
drought.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Can we just not build them near like places where?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
tidal waves.
So this is the cool thing.
Yeah, don't build them by theocean.
But here's the cool thing thesesmall modular reactors are like
the future and people arealready doing this, and this is
how Apple builds products.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
People are doing their own small modular nuclear
reactors.
I have two in my basement, shutup.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Is that why Iron man?
Is that why my hair stands upright in my chest?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Put it into my chest already.
There's a vague hum everywhere.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
when I get near your house, it's delicious, keeps
everything nice and toasty, niceand warm.
No, so let me explain how Applebuilds products.
Okay, All right, so Appleinnovating Wait I know this
answer.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
They have a factory with nets around it because it
makes people miserable, oh myGod.
And then they work them 26hours a day building phones.
Those are probably.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Apple's suppliers.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Oh, okay, those are Apple.
Maybe it is Apple.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I don't know, but here's how Apple builds products
.
They do not.
So people think Apple'sinnovative and they are sort of
innovative, but they're notactually like breakthrough
innovative.
What they do is they find amarket, they wait until that
market develops and a bunch ofpeople spend a ton of money
developing that market,developing consumer awareness
(07:53):
for that product, developing thetechnology for that product,
and then Apple comes out late inthat competitive process with
their take on that thing insideof their vertical integration
system.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I thought you were gonna say they buy over the
company.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
No, they just do Well , they do make small
acquisitions around in the space.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But a lot of times they'll just snake up, but then
they make their own product.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So, like Bluetooth headphones, there were, remember
, those like ugly plastic, likegray, like Bluetooth headphone,
things that people would have.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
They were like on their.
They were on their face andthey looked like little
torpedoes and they'd go on theirear.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
It was like a Bluetooth headphone.
Okay, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, so that was already there.
Yeah, so that was already there.
That was a developing market.
And then Apple came out withthe AirPods and it just
Destroyed it, it justobliterated it because the
AirPods you just opened thelittle opening case and it
synced with your phone instantly.
They pop in, they pop out, theycharge, they got a battery,
they got a thing it's likeperfectly in their ecosystem and
(08:58):
just disrupts that growingmarket.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I've never used AirPods.
I've never had an iPhone.
Do you?
Are they that much better?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Like, do you?
Speaker 1 (09:06):
are they really good?
They're amazing Cause I mean Ihave had I have cordless
earphones and I think they'regreat.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
They're fine.
Yeah, apple headphones are justfantastic, okay, and then a lot
of the ones you see now Is thatwhy they dominated, though?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Because they build out like not just come out with
the same thing, but come outwith a high quality, like
version that people like Highquality version and integrated
into their vertical sort ofsystem, and they've already
created this brand desire wherenow they're like well, if I'm
choosing between two things, theone's the Apple brand.
I'm the Apple brand person, soI buy the Apple brand person and
(09:39):
it's not completely like on theApple brand person, like I'm
the Prada brand person.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
There's a reason.
I mean they integrate with yourother devices perfectly, like I
can sit down on my couch andput in my Bluetooth earphones
and press power on my Apple TVand it instantly syncs cause it
knows it's in my ears and so itjust contextually-.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So they know the importance of that frustration
point of trying to get somethingto connect and not connecting
over and over and having to turnoff your one thing and turn off
the other thing and turn offyour.
Bluetooth and then turn it backon.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
That doesn't happen at all, and they're like if we
can eliminate that.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
If we can prioritize, this thing connects instantly.
People are gonna put it aheadof other things in like far
ahead.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Okay, this is called, like it just works, sort of the
user experience theory.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So the nuclear reactor syncs to my phone.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, so you can track all your nuclear reactor
energy.
So here's my premise the smallnuclear reactor market is
exactly at that moment whenApple usually swoops in and,
like, releases their version.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's that stage of evolution, at that stage, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
There's already, like lots of people, lots of little
companies and even big companieshave put a lot of money in to
like make a lot of headway andlike develop people's awareness
of it and develop, you know,technologies that are
breakthrough technologies.
You need to make it work andhave tried a few things and a
few things didn't work and a fewthings have been working.
This is the perfect time forApple to do it.
(11:14):
Now, why should Apple do that?
Two reasons.
I got a third reason.
Well, it's your reason.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Well, I mean, I was gonna say climate change.
Oh, go ahead, no yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Climate change.
The climate crisis can't justbe something governments do and
green companies do.
It has to be something thatevery single corporation does.
They have to change everythingthey're doing and fix the
climate change.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
That's for sure, the bigger the corporation, the more
you need to do and the biggerthe corporation the more
responsibility you have and themore opportunity you have to do
it Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The other reason is that this actually, I believe,
fits into Apple's ecosystem.
Not necessarily to theirconsumers, but it fits into
Apple's ecosystem in the sensethat the consumers are all
charging their phone, it's allelectricity, and Apple has these
huge data centers that all usea huge amount of electricity and
(12:07):
these modular nuclear reactorscould be used in those data
centers and chip factories andevery part of the ecosystem that
battery factories, everywherewhere you need energy, that
Apple could be then sellingthese Apple Core small nuclear
reactors.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, I mean, and the same way that, like, one of the
assets of having a Tesla isthat you get access to these
Tesla superchargers wherever yougo.
It's like you're freeelectricity generated by us.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You're like all right .
I mean, if that was Well, it'snot generated by them, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
All right.
Well, if that was Apple's, yeah, provided for you.
If that was Apple's like thingwhere they're just like, yeah,
we're.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Have you ever heard of Project Titan?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
No.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
This is Apple's self-driving car.
Oh Okay, apple building aself-driving car Cool.
So basically, this To the sameplaybook.
I just told you they're doingit for self-driving cars.
Okay, they're waiting for Teslaand Waymo and Cruz and Zooks
and to do all the mistakes anddevelop all this technology and
train all these employees, andthen Apple will just come out
(13:10):
with the Apple car.
The project's called ProjectTitan.
Who knows what it'll be called?
I car, I car.
What a horrible name.
Probably Apple.
They've gotten rid of the Istuff.
They're switching over to AppleX, apple, this.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
That's true, so maybe they'll call them.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Apple or air car.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Car plus Car pod.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Car pod is pretty good.
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
No, it's not Tim Cook .
Do not do that.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Do not do it.
I know you're listening, don'tcall it a car pod.
But so I was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
The third thing that I was gonna say is that
companies, big companies, aretrying to buy things and get
bigger and, like Disney, sort ofhas the corner now on media,
where Apple's a media companybut Disney's like we'll buy Fox.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
They will buy Apple.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
If Sony comes up for sale, disney's gonna gobble them
up, because Spider-Man orwhatever you know like they'll
be by Marvel.
They buy Star Wars and soApple's like okay, I guess we'll
start buying like nuclear react, like we need to pivot
somewhere and this is anotherspace to get big.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
They did this for streaming.
They let Netflix and all theseyou know, Matt, HBO, all these
people start everything, trythings, develop a whole sort of
flow of how things got createdand purchasing agreements worked
and how actors thought aboutthe new streaming marketplace
and then they launched.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Apple TV Plus.
Who kicks the door in and comesright into the room?
Ted freaking Lasso ExactlyWalks in the door and says
welcome to Apple everybody.
People love Ted Lasso, love it.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, and morning show people love that, and
Killers of the Flower Moon justrecently was like, really was
like really big and important.
So it was just like Apple doesthis.
This is their playbook.
So the solution today is dothis for small modular nuclear
reactors.
They can do it.
They have a supply chain tobuild things like this.
(15:01):
They are okay.
Now we gotta get into smallmodular nuclear reactors.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
We've gotta get into this, so people learn about this
.
Okay, so these are the two ofus are the people to tell people
about nuclear reaction.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, I know, some I've educated myself about this?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I do not.
I'm not an expert.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
But I've learned a lot about it.
Okay, so, basically, the ideais, the bulk of the lift is If
you build a nuclear power plantat any time in history, even
current ones that are beingbuilt, they're totally bespoke,
they're built completely.
Yeah, they're Artisanal.
Yeah, they're bespoke.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
They're built by hand .
There's not a lot of I imaginesomething like a steampunk thing
with people turning wrenchesand gaskets and different things
, and it's going.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
They have like a thing on the side of their top
hats.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Christopher Lloyd from Back to the Future like
something that he would buildlike some weird that's how
nuclear reactors are built.
They literally what?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
They're not standardized.
Oh my gosh, they're notstandardized.
You're freaking me out.
No, it's true.
Every nuclear actor, they havesome standardized things.
Like you buy wire, it's allgonna come wire.
You buy tubes?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
you buy tubes, but if you hey, buy some tubes, buy
some wire.
You need to like move what kind, I don't know.
It's gonna be wire Wires, gonnabe wire tubes.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You buy fans, they're all kind of things.
But if you say, okay, what'sthe constellation of all those
things into a nuclear reactor?
Every one is very different.
They each do it a different way.
And then when they do it, theydo it at a certain scale, to a
certain size, and then all theseproblems come up and it's like
they have to overcome all theseproblems.
It's a huge engineering problembecause everything's different
in every location and thecooling systems are done a
(16:33):
little differently.
Oh, we'll do it this way thistime, we'll do it that way,
we'll do it a little better nexttime.
So every single time it's likedifferent.
The small modular nuclearreactors eliminates that.
Every single one is just like aself-contained nuclear reactor
that's built exactly to spec andthen it goes into a system it
plugs into like a system that isalso to spec.
(16:56):
So if you want one, you justorder it whatever.
If a hospital wants to haveendless energy, never it would
be off the grid.
Like, say, a hospital says wedon't ever wanna be on the grid
anymore.
Like, mayo Clinic doesn't wannabe connected to the American
grid, they just wanna be off thegrid and be totally protected.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
They could just and job security If they have
constant nuclear radiation goingon in their communities then
they're gonna have more peoplecoming in.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
There's no radiation Needing treatment.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Oh sorry, what this is a safe?
These are extremely safe.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
These are extremely safe.
So what they do is they orderit.
It comes, it arrives on like atruck and the specifications of
where it needs to be plugged in.
The people show up, they dig ahole that's two stories deep,
like a 25 foot hole.
They fill it in with concrete.
They build the electricitywiring so that the electricity
can come out.
Transformers, whatever it needs, everything it needs.
(17:45):
And then the nuclear reactorjust gets slotted in like a
battery, and then it just getscemented over the top and all
that comes out is power,completely self-contained.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And it's all has.
Is that possible?
That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
This is what small modular reactors are.
They don't require maintenance,and when they do need
maintenance, the company comesand does the maintenance.
So there's no like.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Well, how are you gonna do maintenance on
something that's encased in?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
like a mile of concrete.
Well, I don't know if theyencase the top.
I can't remember if they reallyclose it off but it's
completely self-contained andyou don't go in there.
Only the people from thecompany go in and do anything in
there.
You just order it and pay themoney and they show up and they
put it in and then now you havefree power.
It produces megawatts of energy, like huge amounts of
(18:32):
electricity, and you can havethem in series.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
So say you want triple that, you just buy three
of them and they're in series inone and three things.
You think these are safe enough, you'd be okay with one, being
like next door to eat.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I'd eat breakfast on top one every day.
I wouldn't care at all.
No, because it's just science.
The radiation can't get through.
I think they're also encased inthe tube.
Inside has the actualradioactive uranium fuel rod is
inside.
And then that is encased in Ithink water, and then that's
(19:06):
encased in the actual tube whichhas multiple layers and then
that's put inside of the cementthing and then that has safety
things all around it and everylayer has sensors and all of it
is sensorized.
So everyone knows what thetemperature is all the time and
it's always it's totallymaintained and protected and
safe.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Now imagine that within one of those tubes
there's actually a tiny spider.
Okay, Now follow me on this thetiny spider is in the radiation
but, it's small enough to getthrough the crack.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yes, yes, All right.
Do you see where I'm going?
And I'm sitting there eating acroissant.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And you see the spider coming up to you and you
just squish it with your, youjust stomp on it and smash the
spider.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I went another direction than I thought.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Cause I kill spiders, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
crazy that you said apple core.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
That is weird.
I didn't prime you to do that.
That was not set up at all.
I didn't set that up.
That's weird.
Yeah, that's a Creepy Synchrony.
That's not the word Synchrony.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Synchrony yeah, so apple could do this.
They could be saying this isour climate privilege.
Also, I'll just point out theenergy market in the world.
Right Cause apple is a globalcompany.
Yes, the energy market in theworld is I mean, I don't even
know the number, but it's gottabe what 10, a hundred times
(20:18):
larger than the personalelectronics market, which means,
from a business perspective,this is like you know.
This is like a big opportunityto make like a lot of money,
like more money than theycouldn't make as an electronics
company.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I think so I mean to become a utility.
Essentially is the yeah, andthey could do it, they could
pull it off.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
They have the global footprint, the manufacturing
relationships, supply chain,engineering ability, cash cash
on hand and they have 300, theyhave a couple hundred billion
dollars just cash.
They could pour that cash intothis investment.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
It would be a worthwhile investment to do, and
it lets you pivot your societyinto electrified society.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Electrified society.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I mean it's like Tron cities or like.
Tokyo, you know like wherethings are.
You can use power to do allsorts of new things you didn't
even think of.
You can have sections of theyeah.
You can start doing maglevtrains everywhere.
You know what I mean, Like highspeed rail.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Right, and then you can plug in.
You plug into these nuclearreactors, you can plug in green
hydrogen.
So this is what people aretalking about.
Green hydrogen is just Soundsdangerous Sounds, toxic bro.
A bunch of green hydrogen gas.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Now, that's where your superhero comes from.
So green hydrogen, so there'sblue hydrogen, oh, there's gray,
I think it's gray hydrogen,blue hydrogen, green hydrogen
and pink and red, and then theyall have, and then they turn
orange and then they go to get,and then they Voltron, they go
to get, they form hydrogenVoltron and they take on the
reader of Pulsar.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I got you, bro.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I understand, yes, you are way ahead of me, the
green hydrogen ranger.
What are you saying?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
So you say you don't want to have electric cars
because you don't like I don'tknow, you think the batteries
wear out or something.
You want to have hydrogen cars.
This is not a crazy idea.
Actually, Toyota is notinvesting in lithium ion cars.
They're investing way more inhydrogen cars, which sounds
crazy to a lot of people, butactually that's what they're
doing.
That's what the biggest carcompany in the world is doing.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
No one talks about that.
How do you fill up a car like ahydrogen fuel cell?
Do you have?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
to fill that up.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Do you go to a place and put hydrogen in your car?
Hydrogen.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I think they make the cells and then you just take
the cells and replace emptycartridges with new cartridges.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
You don't like fill it.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Do you do that at your house?
Or no just stations, or theycould be delivered to your house
.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I just don't know that process.
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
That's one of the things they kind of have to
figure out, but mostly they putthem in these like tanks.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Because I understand plug my car into this thing in
the wall Because, like gas, thatmakes sense.
I understand that you would notdo that with hydrogen, because
the hydrogen would be under highpressure.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
So you put it in this like tube that's safe, wrapped
in aluminum and strong metalsand carbon fibers.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Like the CO2 cartridges To really protect it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And then it'd be really under pressure.
You would not want to likeshoot this thing with a gun,
that would be bad, but it wouldbe safe otherwise and then you'd
put it into your car, you'dslot it in and you'd slot the
empty one out and slot itProbably I don't really know
exactly but I think that's whatthey do.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Okay, that's not important, but anyways, green
hydrogen.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
So right now most of the hydrogen in the world is
gray hydrogen.
Which means they burn you knowthey're burning coal or they're
burning natural gas and actuallyhydrogen is released.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And they gather it and then they're like here's
some hydrogen, but that's notcarbon neutral.
That's bad.
You don't want to burn naturalgas to get you know, you want to
get green hydrogen.
So then there's blue hydrogen.
Blue hydrogen is where yougenerate hydrogen from
electrolysis.
So you put electricity intowater and then water unbinds
itself, so H2O becomes H2 and O2.
(23:45):
So you get your hydrogen out ofthat that's called blue
hydrogen.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Does that create ozone?
No, is that O2?
No, that's O3.
But the problem is.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Blue hydrogen is when you do that with electricity
generated through burning coal,still like burning fossil fuels.
Green hydrogen is when you doelectrolysis with renewable
energy.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
And now there's a bunch of subsidies for green
hydrogen.
And if you're creating hydrogen, you have to now prove to the
government that you areproducing it in a green way, not
with blue or gray way, andthere's subsidies for that.
So that means there's subsidiesfor you to take one of these
nuclear reactors, or 20 of themin series, yeah, and be a green
hydrogen Producer.
(24:25):
Even a gas station which waslike a hydrogen gas station
could have one of these nuclearreactors, or two of them on site
right and have its ownelectrolysis hydrogen generation
on site and be producing.
So essentially, today you getgas out of the ground in Saudi
Arabia yeah.
You ship it all the way toAmerica tankers they put they
put it on trucks, they ship itto every gas station and they
(24:47):
transplanted into the ground.
This, you would just that therewould just be a station and it
would just be producing all theenergy that all the cars needed
To have high.
I like that cool.
Yeah, and it's always safe andthere's a and there's a
recycling aspect here.
So when you use a uranium rod,like a fuel rod, when I use one,
(25:08):
when you use it, what do you do?
With it.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Tell me what your day-to-day me, I like to
decorate with uranium rodsaround the house from here there
to kind of brighten up a darkspace with a warm I do them like
in my fingers, like this, andthen I rave.
Oh yeah, I've seen the videosof you doing that on tiktok.
People like you could use glowsticks, you like?
(25:31):
No, no, no, you're ready.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Well, huh, but uh so when you use up a uranium fuel
rod, say it's at the end of itslife, guess what percentage of
it has been used?
It's gonna be low, it's gottabe low Uh.
I don't know.
5% no yes.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
You've only used 5% and then they're like all right,
chuck, it's done.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Because because, because all that 5% is scattered
throughout the whole thing,okay, and so it's not gonna give
off nearly, it's not gonna dowhat it's supposed to do.
Not, it's not sparkly you keep,you keep shooting things at it
to try to keep Fissioning.
It's a flat and it's not gonnafission anymore because the
reaction can't go through.
It, can't you know?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
because the reaction is a chain reaction has to go
through it, yeah it stops goingthrough it because it's all
right.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
It keeps hitting dead ones already.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Right, a flat soda.
Like you pour the soda, it'sall nice and sparkly.
You drink it, yeah, and thenyou only drink five and then it
goes flat.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You're like I just pour anything that takes like a
network effect, you know, likean echo effect, if you, if you
dampen it, then it stops, itRetards the, you know, the
ability to go all the waythrough it.
We're not supposed to say thatword, but I think you're.
Sorry guys, this is not apolitically correct podcast.
So basically here's the thingthere is a way to recycle them
(26:52):
so you can take that 95% goodUranium right and you can
recycle it into 100% again andsend it back out.
Just put it in the blue bin,yeah so Apple, with the launch
of Apple Corps, could say thisis a closed loop system.
Not only are we planning thefull development of Apple, new
small nuclear reactors that aremuch cheaper and extremely
(27:13):
afford, you know, becausethey're using our full kind of
Engineers and our full you knowabilities and ecosystem and
manufacturing to do this.
So it's way cheaper and and youtrust it because it's Apple and
it's fully integrated into ouryou know, our power systems are
using our own Apple core stuff.
Actually, maybe it can't becalled Apple core, cuz maybe
that's the name of their chipsalready.
Aren't the M3 chips?
(27:33):
Aren't those called Apple core?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I don't know you, you , you slipped with Apple nuke
there for a second I was like nothat's not a good one.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
You can't have that one.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
So I was thinking Apple core is not a bad brand
anyways.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
So they they could launch that all and then they
could say this is a closed loopsystem, we're gonna also recycle
all of it which you wouldn'thave to recycle the first one,
for you know, 30 or 20 years orwhatever, like they last a
decade and recycling.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
It is dig out, the giant come they pick, yeah they.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
They take out the tube crack it all?
No, they don't know.
Well, they take it into a verysafe you know.
They truck it away totallysealed, okay, in a very safe
environment.
They, you know, theydeconstruct it, pull out the
tube right, safely, you know,carefully, make, do the process
of recycling it and then that'sconnected to the manufacturing
(28:22):
factory that's making the nextone right.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
What I love about that is I Don't have to think
about it for 30 years, likethat's gonna be those people.
Probably you never have tothink about it 30 years from now
I'll be retired and Enjoyingthe effects of climate change.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yes, and you can.
Apple can charge, not just forthe manufacture of these things,
but they can charge asubscription.
So they can say okay, you're,you're a hospital who wants to
do this, or you're a greenhydrogen place and you want one
of these or euro, whatever andyou want one of these, great,
you buy it for you know, 25million dollars, which you can
then finance over its wholelifetime because it's insured to
(28:58):
work right 30 years right, andwe want a subscription that
whole time too, for all themaintenance and everything, and
then you have a recycling fee atthe end, all baked in it sounds
, it's not.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
That plan is not dissimilar to the ones where you
get one of those full Solarroof things.
Yeah, where you like, it's ahuge upfront investment that it
pays off slowly over time andyou do a subscription to
whatever the Whoever, thegenerator, and you ensure it and
yeah, yeah yeah, yeah so.
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I don't know if this works out with what's called the
levelized cost, the levelizedcost of energy.
The levelized cost of energywhat?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
is that.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That's how you compare apples to apples between
different methods of generationof electricity.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
So if you look at like wind, solar, okay, you know
natural gas the best for thebuck.
Yeah, exactly, these are all sodifferent.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
How do you really compare their costs?
Well, you do this thing calledlevelized cost of energy, and so
I don't know exactly what itboils down to, but but the, the
cost, the.
I know that small modularnuclear reactors are Right now
having like a breakout moment,like they're happening.
This is it.
They're starting.
There will be SMR's.
(30:10):
They're called SMR's smallnuclear react, small modular
reactors.
Okay, they're already happening.
I heard a podcast the other dayof a guy who's the CEO.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I've heard of a SMR's .
Yeah, those are a littlesimilar.
They're like yeah, that's myTrap trap, trap, trap, trap,
trap, trap, trap, trap.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Do you get the freeze on from ASMR?
No.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
What's the freeze on?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
That's, some people get this really pleasant
experience.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I don't think it does for me.
No, I don't think I have thatASMR, I just like everyone likes
it.
But yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
But anyways, you'd have to look at the levelized
cost and everything and you'dhave to see what Apple would say
the levelized cost of energy isfor them and their supply chain
and their sort of wholefinancial set Do you think
that's the next step toward likesmaller and smaller nuclear
power?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I mean, I'm trying to get to Iron man, but not this
is the next step.
Yes, Well, I'm trying to get toIron man, but not get to
Terminators.
You know what I mean.
I want that power to bepowering human suits, but not
powering AI robots.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Good luck, good luck.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Do you know any way to do that?
Is there a way to One of thereasons people are building.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I have a couple of companies that are building like
humanoid robots.
They were actually inspired bythe Fukushima disaster because
in Fukushima there was like partI guess there were things in
Fukushima where it was like thedoors were all closed and it was
like you can't go in there oryou'll die of radiation.
But literally, if someone justcould walk in and like turn to
knob, it would have like stoppedthe whole thing.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
And so if they just had had To sacrifice yourself
moment.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
If there had been a humanoid robot, they could have
just walked in and done it.
They could have stayed in therefor hours, you know, and they
would have been a radioactiverobot.
At the end you would have todestroy it.
But who cares as a robot, Right?
So actually some people are,you know, this is sort of a
safety thing.
But, these SMRs things, theirchances of going like you know,
nuclear or whatever are evenlike already modern nuclear
(32:09):
reactors.
There's like no chance of themgoing like Chernobyl.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Very low, like all like it happened in my lifetime
In decimal, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
But here's the thing about nuclear, though.
People should not be so scarednuclear, especially not the
small modular reactors, and thereason is, if you look at the
number of people who have dieddue to different energy sources,
this is a critical thing.
The number of people who havedied from nuclear energy is like
in the last, like 50 years, islike 10 people.
It's like nobody.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
They've had less time to go than like coal, but coal.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Even just now, coal is like hundreds of thousands,
like millions.
Because they get lung diseaseand they die.
And it's like they die of lungdisease from the coal.
And it's not just the coalminers, it's anybody who lives
anywhere near a coal power plantgets terrible, you know
particulate coal Oil isguilt-free, right, totally
guilt-free.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Well, that is where we started talking about an
apple.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Well, that is weird synchronicity.
You know it's so weird.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I was gonna talk about something completely
different.
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
This is how you find out that I've hacked your phone.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah right, you just know the ones.
No, there's no way, because youstill wouldn't know, because I
make the decision at the verylast minute.
I decided at the very lastsplit second what to do.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
This is how I tell you I have Professor X powers.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
That's true.
That would be a solution.
That would be a good solution.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Having Professor X.
Yeah, here's the solution haveProfessor X powers.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I guess one of the rules of SFM is it has to be
plausible.
It can't just be fantastical,it's a global we actually have.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I mean, we do have listeners in.
That's true.
Every continent, yes, everycontinent we have.
There is like one person inSouth America that's holding us
strong there.
I don't know who it is.
If you're the person in SouthAmerica that keeps listening,
this is great You're keeping uson all the.
We have more in other ones, butI love this.
The one in South America.
Who is it?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Solutiones del multiverso Perfecto.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Perfecto.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Perfecto, everyone is welcome.
We are global podcast.
Yeah, buenas noches, everybody.
Buenas noches.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
All right, take everybody.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
See ya, keep it climbing, ms News.
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