Welcome to Episode 272 of the Spun Today Podcast! I'm your host, Tony Ortiz, and in today’s show, we dive into a rich mix of topics guaranteed to spark your creativity and fuel your passion for writing. We kick things off with some political speculation, pondering how our political landscape might have transformed if Bernie Sanders had led the Democratic Party against Donald Trump. Could Sanders have changed the course of history?
Next, we'll switch gears to the world of high-stakes finance and drama as we recap and review the thrilling second season of HBO's "Industry." The writing in this show is impeccable, and we'll explore how the complex character dynamics and intricate plotlines can inspire your creative journey. Alongside this, I'll share my personal experience tackling the Twin Lights Ride cycling marathon along New Jersey's picturesque coastline.
In our special segment, "Goats Doing Goat $hit!,” we honor the legendary music producer Timbaland for his remarkable generosity in the industry. And speaking of industry icons, we'll also shed light on an inspiring moment from Ryan Tedder's career, celebrating the power of creative kindness.
Get ready for an episode brimming with inspiration, thoughtful discussion, and a deep dive into the worlds of writing, finance, and music. Whether you're here for the creativity, the cycling stories, or just to enjoy some engaging conversation, we’ve got something special for everyone. So, sit back, relax, and let's dive in!
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I wonder what yeah, I really wonder what this country
would have been like if the crooked corrupted powers that be
within the DNC actually let the process play out and let
Bernie represent the left. I think he would have
beat Trump more so than Biden and
definitely would have gotten eight years versus just four. And
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we wouldn't be in the situation we're now where to borrow from
South Park. We're again in the situation where we feel like we have the
choice between a douchebag and a turd
sandwich. But I wonder how things would have been shaped
and changed.
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What's up folks? What's going on? Welcome to the Spun Today Podcast,
the only podcast that is anchored in writing but unlimited in
scope. I'm your host Tony Ortiz, and I appreciate you listening.
This is episode 272 of the spontaneity Podcast
and in this episode I recap and review
season two of industry
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HBO's financial thriller show. I
also tell you guys about completing this year's Twin
Lights Ride, which is a cycling marathon in
Jersey a few weeks back in September
2024. Tell you guys a bit about my experience there
and then wrap up the show with another addition
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to your favorite segment and mine, Goats
Doing Goat, where I like to highlight goats
AKA Greatest of All Time within their respective
fields that go above and beyond in some way, shape or form.
So definitely stick around to see who will receive that honor in this
episode of the Spun Today Podcast. Before we get into it, however, I
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Industry Season two A couple episodes ago
I told you guys how I stumbled upon this show and
I broke down season one of Industry. If you're
interested in that, go check out episode 270 of the Sponsored
podcast. And in this episode I'm going to break down or just do a
little recap and review of Season two. If you're
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familiar with my or if you're not familiar rather with
my recap and review style of shows or
movies. They're not too spoiler
heavy in that I'm not gonna, you know, chronologically break down
every single thing that that occurred with it within the show, but what I do
is give a general overview. Some spoilers
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inevitably do come out. Obviously, if you haven't seen season two and you
don't want to know anything that happens, you know, skip forward, don't listen to this
segment. But what I like to hone in on is
the writing of the show, some of my favorite pieces of
dialogue and creative choices. And again, for folks
who don't know and that didn't Listen to episode 270,
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Industry is an HBO show similar to
Succession, which was a big hit for hbo. So folks listening
to this may have seen Succession if they haven't seen Industry and where
succession covered a family within the
media world. Industry is focused on the financial
sector, the financial world, to quote unquote,
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financial thriller and financial drama. The official
synopsis is a British American television
drama series that premiered in 2020. It follows
a group of young graduates competing for permanent positions at a
prestigious investment bank in London. These young bankers
and traders make their way in the financial world in the
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aftermath of the 2008 collapse. So now most of our main
characters from season one are now established in season
two. They're about two to three years into their
permanent positions at Peer Point, which is the name of the
investment firm. And before I share some of my favorite takeaways, I want
to shout out once again the writers of
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this series because we don't shout out the writers here on the Spun Today
podcast who will first up are Mickey
down and Conrad K. Which are the co
creators of the show and have written 19 of the 24
episodes of the show. Then you have Joseph Charlton
which has written on two episodes and the following four folks which
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have written on one episode a piece, Sam H.
Freeman, Kate Verges, Matthew
Barry and Zara Mirza.
Shout. Out to each and every one of the writers
and the co creators that put this series together. So in
this season the characters are obviously a bit more developed, a bit
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more settled in their roles of being
part of Purepoint for the past two or three years, having
permanent positions molded and shaped by
their colleagues and respective mentors. Definitely less
green, but still, you know, trying to figure out
who they are, where they fit into the greater scheme of things. And the
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first piece of dialogue that I want to share comes from
Nicole Craig played by Sarah Parrish. She's a
wealthy client of peerpoint
and true to the in my opinion, exact exaggerated
nature of of the show and
how sex and drug heavy the show is,
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she goes out on these like client dinners and at peer point
is paying for and she gets pitched ideas and stuff like
that. And she hits on
slash sexually assaults Harper Stern by you know, being
drunk in the back of the car, leaning her head on on
Harper's shoulder and then pulling a trump and
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grabbing her by the But Harper turns down
the advance and that's kind of that.
But in season two, Robert Spearing, played
by Harry Lottie, he takes on
Nicole as a client to be her sales rep
or hoping to be. You know, she's again this wealthy
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older, older woman and all these sales reps
from or Traders and sales reps from
Pure Point are, you know, two, three years out of college. But he takes
her on, takes her out, winds her and dines her
and same thing happens pretty much, but they
strike. This type of relationship, kind of like
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codependent. Robert's character has mommy issues.
He's insecure about his place within the firm, desperately needs
a client, needs some someone to represent. She's giving him this
opportunity. He's the kind of like the party, take clients out,
do drugs with them. That's his whole angle. But he's
trying to clean himself up and take himself seriously. She kind of
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sort of gives him the opportunity to represent her, but in a quid
pro quo fashion, also bangs him as well. But they have this
like love, hate relationship, right? And again, this codependent type
of relationship. She tells him something very interesting too,
because she is not, you know, who she reminds me of?
Kind of, in a way, Kathy Bates. His character in
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Titanic, if you guys remember. She, you know, she's amongst all these
legacy rich people. She's considered, quote unquote, new money. That
doesn't really fit in, but she's just as rich as them.
So these, like, legacy generational wealth folks kind of look down on
her. Nicole Craig's character is similar in
that way. She didn't come from generational wealth, but she was
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like self made, very wealthy. And it's kind of rough
around the edges, if you will. And she connects with Robert
spearing in that sense because, like, his father owns a
pub. Hardworking guy, but, you know, definitely not a
wealthy family that he comes from. His mother was the overbearing,
pushing him to be more. Somehow gets into a
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prestigious university, you know, rubbing
shoulders with all these general generational
wealth kids and kind of feels out of place in that setting as
well. So they have like that type of connection. And they have
an interesting exchange where Nicole tells him that they
being, you know, like the powers that be, don't want you to be
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successful. So they make you instead a success
story. And a success story, all it
does is that it reinforces the rigidity of where
you come from. It reinforces your difference. So
the structure of it all stays absolutely the same
and they keep their power. I thought that was definitely interesting
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perspective there. Another piece of dialogue that I
jotted down and actually didn't write. Who said it?
I'm trying to remember right now, I think it may have been Robert, although it
may have been Yaz Yasmin's character played by Marissa
Abella, or maybe even Harper's character played by
Mahala, but it was that one of them
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says in a scene quote, part of me feels like I
deserve the world. The other part of me feels
less than that definitely resonated with me as someone
that has definitely felt both of those ways at different times in
in my life. And it reminded me of like
the feelings and thoughts that Eminem always gave me in a
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way in how he can go from
feeling as and demonstrating the ability
to be an absolute God within
his domain. Right within rapping a rap God
while also exploring on the other side of the spectrum
being completely self deprecating and highlighting what a piece of shit
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he is and what a loser he has been and then
somehow marrying the two in such a way
that gets you in a mind state to
use that less than feeling as fuel
and a sense of pride in an interesting way
and propelling yourself to getting to the
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part of me feels I deserve the world mentality and acting as
if Speaking of Eminem, did you guys see recently at
a rally in Detroit for Kamala Eminem came
out who's been obviously vocally anti
Trump for years, drew the proverbial orange
line in the sand I think initially and most like widely recognized at
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the like a bet cipher. Back then we was at a Detroit rally
and brought out my guy Barry O Shout out to
Obama. I thought that was a pretty cool moment.
Obama tried rapping like 8 mile a few 8 mile
lyrics from lose Yourself and I just heard something earlier
today actually interesting, an interesting take
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on something that Obama I was listening to Lex
Friedman's podcast and he had Bernie Sanders on and
Lex brought up something that Obama told Bernie
once which was and I'm going to paraphrase
something along the lines of that Bernie is
like a philosopher of the left, filled with wisdom and
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great ideas that folks on the left side turn to
and look to for guidance or what have you, but
that philosophers get to be
king and kings are the ones that have to make the hard
and real decisions. Which was in my opinion
surprisingly practical thing to say
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for and like hardlined thing to say
for Obama to say. And Bernie's general take on that was
that obviously didn't agree with that but
or at least didn't agree with all of it. But he cited
an interesting person whose name for getting someone who ran
for president once upon a time and was like a
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big union leader who didn't win.
But he mentioned how folks like that
person whose name I'm. I'm blanking on have he kind of framed it as kind
of More of a greater goal, if you
will, which I, I guess is debatable, but of like
shaping society as a whole and putting
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ideas forth that do that. And he highlighted
him because although that person lost
fdr, which is one of the, you know,
biggest known presidents in, in history, got us out the Great
Depression, great New Deal, put a lot of these, like
social, Social Security, I believe,
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public lands and other social programs in
place. His presidency borrowed a lot.
There was a bunch of overlap from those ideas of that person that
ran, that union leader that ran and put forth those quote, unquote, radical
populist ideas at the time and in doing so, obviously shaped
society in our country and changed the direction of
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it forever. So I guess Bernie's point in that was kind of sort
of like lose you win type of thing, because some
of my ideas are out there. But I digress. I wonder
what, yeah, I really wonder what this country would
have been like if the crooked, corrupted powers that be within
the DNC actually let the process play out and let Bernie
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represent the left. I think he would have beat
Trump more so than Biden and
definitely would have gotten eight years versus just four. And
we wouldn't be in the situation we're now where to borrow from
South Park. We're again in the situation where we feel like we have the
choice between a douchebag and a turd
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sandwich. But I wonder how things would have been shaped
and changed. Anyway, now I digress for real.
So in season two also we have other characters
like Danny Van Deventer introduced, played by
Alice act, that comes from the New York
City branch of Pierpoint. And
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the firm as a whole is going to be doing some consolidating and cutting and
some folks are going to lose their jobs. And looming
over the entire season is that fact.
And who's being cut? Who's going to lose their jobs? Is New York and take
over? Is London going to stay? Or is it going to be some sort
of like merger of the two? So everybody's in a sense fighting for
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their jobs, their roles. And part of the storyline
in the season is Eric Tao's character being cut
and losing his job, which I think happened at the end of the first
season. And then Harper angling in a way
to help get him his job back.
Then he moves to like a different capacity, then again gets his job
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back on the floor. Eric Tao, by the way, played by Ken
Leung, which is a dope character in the series anyway,
they find themselves in a position where they feel like all of them
are going to be cut. All of them are going to lose their jobs. And
they wind up shopping themselves as an
alternative or shopping themselves as a group. Four of
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them, Eric Tao's character, Harper Stern, Stern
character played by Sagar Radia, which is another dope
character and Danny's character, shopping themselves
as the CDS team, this credit default swap
team that can do for other banks what they
currently do for Peer Point. So they're fear being cut and losing
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their jobs. So they're shopping themselves around basically before that happens
when they have maximum leverage and that winds up being a bust in a
way. I won't spoil that one for you, but I wanted to highlight
something that Eric says when they bring Danny into the
fold of joining them and leaving Purepoint
and it's quote, isn't it lucky that no one is ever
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satisfied? There's definitely a salient take there. Now
flipping over to Yaz, played by Yasmin Karahanani,
or rather Yasmin Karahanani played by Marissa
Abella. She was looking for this new role in wealth
management within the firm. It's kind of like this
boutique type of department headed
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by Celeste Packet played by Katrine de
Candole. And she's flirting with the idea of working there.
Having some like cognitive dissonance between that and her
old role and feeling of starting to gain her footing
within her prior role on the trading
desk. But she constantly has this yearning of feeling valuable,
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feeling self made, you know, she comes from for money. Her father's
fairly wealthy and she's bumping up
against her new boss wanting to like manage her father's
assets and money. And then kind of sort of feeling like, does
she only want me for that because of what I could potentially
bring to the table in terms of a big client? So that's all
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going on for her internally as a character. And she mentions those
types of concerns to her new boss. And Celeste tells
her, quote, do you want to operate within a
system and be successful or
do you want to dream that you can change it and be left
behind? Which I thought was a pretty cynical view,
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but one that is not original, you
know, one that many folks feel in terms
of the, you know, the financial industry itself. But
in different sectors, right, people feel like that about politics or
more locally about friendships and family
dynamics, feel like that about specific jobs. They
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feel that way about that cynical way about creative
pursuits and being able to or not being able to do something.
So I wanted to highlight that there. And the last thing that I'll share
about season two of industry
is something that Rishi tells Harper,
which I thought was spot on. And he tells her that the way that she
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flips on a dime is sociopathic. And he tells
her this while they're all, you know, scheming on
taking whatever context they can from peerpoint and pitching themselves
as this CVS group. That could do for another
bank what they've done for peerpoint. But I think he,
he definitely hit Harper's
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personality spot on. Like he hit the, the nail on the
head. Oh, and speaking to the, the whole sex and drug
aspect of the show, which again I feel is probably my only
criticism of the show, that it's a little over overblown. But Harper and
Rishi wind up fucking on his wedding day in a bathroom stall.
Whether they're doing coke and they've had absolutely no,
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no indication or chemistry or attraction or like
it, they came completely out of nowhere. It was just like sex for sex sake.
I felt like, just like weird and unnecessary I thought. But
teach their own. Oh, and also important to highlight
is that Harper's character in this,
you know, she has so much leverage in this season because she
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landed a huge client like a, like a Elon
Musk slash Mark Cuban esque type of client
named Jesse Bloom play played by Jay
Duplass. So because of that, even though she's like this junior,
you know, two, three year into the business person,
she happened to land this client through like happenstance
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of being at the same hotel as him during
COVID and lockdowns and striking up a friendship and then
pitching him. And she has these like out of the box, unorthodox financial
ideas that he gravitated towards, so on and
so forth. So just important to note there. But yeah,
industry season two dope season. Again, if you're
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late to the series, as I was, I definitely recommend to get into
it. I'm currently about a quarter through
season three and enjoying it as well. So definitely stay tuned for my recap
and review of that once I wrap the show. And definitely let me
know what you guys think of season two. If you've seen it
already. Industry is streaming now
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on hbo. Max. Check it
out. The Twin
Lights ride. Shout out to my fellow cyclists out
there, cycling enthusiasts. Shout out to Pablo,
which is a sponsored alum that I do all these cycling marathons
with. This was the first year that we attempted and
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successfully completed three marathons throughout the
year. First was the five borough which is the biggest
and longest. It's a 40 mile, 40, 40 to 45
mile ride through all five boroughs of New York City.
I definitely broke that down to you guys in a prior episode.
We did the Hudson Valley. That was a great ride. We did a
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15 mile path on that one. And
this was the twin lights ride where we also did a 15 mile
path. Now it wasn't as enjoyable as we
would have hoped due to the weather.
Aside from that, it was great. So last year I think
for the twin lights ride we did the like 30, 30, 33
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mile path. This year, since we were doing three
marathons instead of two, we opted to do the
15 mile. And it's also more of a scenic route. It's
right alongside the water in New Jersey, like that Jersey
shore coastline. And when you do the 30
and above mile ones, it takes you through like a lot of residential areas. Similar
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to the Hudson Valley ride at some scene is some
scenic, you know, parts to it, especially in the beginning when you're
on just the coastline. But the majority of
it is not. But this 50 mile version is
mainly this coastline and then you cut through a few
parks, which is also nice and scenic. And it's a, it's a pretty dope
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ride for us. However, literally while
we were waiting online to register and
actually even before, while we were like driving to it, it was just
raining. While we were driving to it, it would rain, it would let up, it
would rain, it would let up. But while we were online to check
in, it pretty much started drizzling and then picked up
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terrain and didn't stop the entire time.
So did 15 miles. It
took place on September 29, 2024.
So we did 15 miles
in rain of varying intensities right next to the
water. So it was like breezy and wetter and colder. And it was
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for the entire 50 mile trip. So it was a
miserable ride, but we got through it. And when
you get through something like grueling and miserable like that, you kind of feel
good afterwards. At least I do, you know, proud of,
you know, getting something like that done that, you know, it was made
that much harder because of how shitty the weather was. But definitely
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not ideally what we were looking for in terms of the weather
and the overall riding experience. The Twin lights ride,
I'll also say that it's a lot less people than
it's similar to Hudson Valley, I would say, but I would say it's even less
people than Hudson Valley and obviously far less than the five Bar.
The five Bar is something that people from like around the world, you know, fly
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in for and do. And it's by far
the largest ride of the year that Bike New York
puts together, I definitely recommend it though. I think we're gonna keep the
same game plan for next year. Try to do the Five Borough, Hudson Valley and
the Twin Lights ride. I'm actually contemplating switching
up my bike before getting into the next cycling season.
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I've had. I have a specialized Rock
Hopper from 2011, I want to say is the
model. So it's fairly old. It's been great, a great bike. But I've
had like tire issues that I've mentioned to you guys, which by the way,
after like YouTubing and just switching out the tube and
adding rim tape and stuff
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myself after taking it to the shop literally twice
and then having folks help me replace the tubes and stuff
during rides that I mentioned, they get the flat fix
places within the rest stops there. At these events,
I haven't had issues since I wound up doing it myself. So it's something I
recommend if people are having issues with their bikes. And it's not to like pat
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myself on the back or anything like that. But I don't know what my point
is. But I guess you, you care more about your shit than other folks would
and if it's something that you can do yourself, why not? But it had.
Has Slash had those issues? Because I haven't had an issue with
that since. But I do have like gearing issues with the top
gears, the 1, 2 and 3 gears, which no longer
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are. They'll shift into place, but they'll make like
loud clanking, weird noises and like that. So, yeah, I
just think it's time. It's been like over 10 years, so might be time
to, to make a switch contemplating now because I, I
like the style of the Rockhopper and I like Specialized. But
the Rockhopper, what it is is it's considered a hybrid between like a road bike
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and a mountain bike. But I don't do any like off road
biking. Never have really. But then on the flip side,
I don't like the style of the. Just the road bikes that kind of
look like 10 speedish type bikes. I don't like that style aesthetically,
so I'm just. But I'm leaning more towards a road bike. But
yeah, I'll keep you folks posted on what the ultimate
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decisions are there. If anybody knows of any deals or
bikes to look into, definitely hit me up. Let me know.
Any recommendations, suggestions. But yeah, that's where I'm at with
it. Shout out as always to Bike New York,
who puts together these, these great events that we've enjoyed
taking part in for years and I highly recommend it to anyone who
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is into cycling. It's a dope community,
cool people around. You know, obviously you have
your, you go hard Lance Armstrong
types. I think it's like them against the world and everybody else is in their
way type of, type of mentality. But whatever you have, you have
those folks sprinkled throughout everywhere in life. But overall,
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you know, it's a, it's a dope thing to do. It's you against you, which
I like. And you have night again. Mostly nice caring folks
around that look out for each other and people fall or hurt themselves or
need anything and it's a cool way to take in taking a city,
taken an area, a town. You see things, I always say this.
You see things that you don't notice when you're walking and or
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driving. Like when you're cycling through an area. Like you see things at
a completely different level, a completely different plane. I don't know exactly what it
is, but you can drive down the block, walk down the block
or cycle down the block and I feel like you'll see that block three different
ways. But maybe that's just me. And
that folks, was my little recap and review of the 2024
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Twin Lights, ride
goats, doing goat. As I said in the intro, this is a segment of the
Spun Today podcast where I like to highlight goats greatest of
all time, doing something dope, doing something above and beyond that
they otherwise didn't need to do. This
episodes prestigious honor goes to
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none other than hitmaker producer
Timbaland. I recently saw an excerpt of
an interview that the Source
reposted from the Finding Hit
Songs Instagram with a songwriter producer by the name
of Ryan Teeter. And he was speaking to
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back in 2007 when the song Too Late to Apologize
came out. One Republic Timberland. How Timbaland
produced the remix to that song. And obviously it was a big,
huge mega hit. But Ryan Teeter is the one that actually wrote
it. He was a songwriter as well as a
producer. And he breaks down in this clip that I'll play for you guys in
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a bit how when it came time to the publishing rights, you know,
the lawyers, representatives of each artist
figure out and fine tune the details of that, of who's gonna get
what. He felt that, you know, Timbaland being the
big name and largely the one that popularized the shit out of the
song that he would just take, it would be, you know,
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status quo essentially for him to take the majority of the publishing
rights. Now before I tell you guys, what Timbaland wound up
doing. I wanted to highlight what the publishing rights are
and what they mean specific to within the
music publishing, which is similar when it comes to writing
and what I speak about often in terms of like, writing books or
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screenplays. And I'm sure this translates
to other creative arenas as well. But specifically
to the music publishing rights. This refers
to the ownership and control of a song's intellectual
property, the ip, including its melody, lyrics and
harmonies. And this right, this ownership right of the,
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again, intellectual property, the ip, the thing that was created, it
encompasses the rights to reproduce, distribute, perform,
and adapt the work. So whoever owns the ip, if
like a commercial for Budweiser comes and says, hey, I want to use part of
that one republic song, who do I have to pay to get that, to get
that right? Whoever owns that publishing, the intellectual
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property is the person that gets the money from that.
And there's a couple. There's two main categories when it comes to music,
which is master rights. You always hear, like, rappers and like Jay Z
famously, you know, I own my own masters and other rappers as well,
and, you know, songwriters in general. But I see it
highlighted more within hip hop of owning your
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masters. That's one category, one of the two
main categories. And it. That portion of it deals
with the rights related to the recorded version of the
song, including the production, the mixing and the mastering of the
song. Like the recorded version that you hear, that's the
master rights or ownership of that. The publishing
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rights specifically, which are also known as composition
rights, are owned by the
songwriters and. Or the publishers. And
these rights are the songwriters of the actual
lyrics, the composition, the songwriters of the actual
melody, the harmonies, the songwriters of the
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music itself, AKA the producers, the production of
it. And when you create something in a collaborative
form, like, you know, music mainly is,
you know, you have people that come up with the beats, with melodies, with the
hook, with the lyrics, or multiple
people that come up with the lyrics, you know, that write
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together or in concert, then according to the work that
different folks put into something, that translates
into their percentage of publishing rights
and master rights, et cetera. So if Timbaland, for example, works
with a producer that's, you know, green
and doesn't know the industry really, or, you know, he's just like
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getting his foot in the door and, you know, he comes up with a
dope beat, and Timbaland kind of like oversees it
and maybe makes a little tweak or two. But the person that actually came up
with it is, you know, that new Guy Very often you hear like
stories like this throughout the music industry that
new artists winds up getting fucked. Unlike the rights, you know, the
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big name usually just takes the rights and you know, puts their stamp
on it. And yeah, I created this and you know, kind of pays,
pays the person like a one time fee, but then they, the,
the big name owns the publishing rights, the intellectual property, so they
wind up making money off of that forever. Which is why
again, I highlight always, in my opinion,
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again, to each their own, but in my opinion, own your
intellectual property. You never know what
new revenue streams that may not even exist right now will come into play
in the future. And if you own the intellectual property of whatever it
is you create, whether it's a short story, a novel, a song,
you'll be able to have a seat at that table and be able to sell
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your work on a different platform in the
future. But if you take, you know, the short money, the short
bag, even if it's big, but short term, and just hand
over your rights, hand over your publishing, hand over your masters, then
whoever purchased that from you, they'll make money on that forever, which is the long
money. But again, I digress. So going back to why I'm awarding
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Timbaland with the goats doing goat shit honor here on the Spun Today
podcast is because Ryan Teeter himself, you
know, knowing and recognizing his position, hierarchical
position within the music industry, he was like, you know, Timbaland's the big name. So
when I got the call about the publishing rights, I was like, you know, he's
going to take like half or like 60, 70% of it. Cuz, you
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know, he's Timbaland, he's like the big name. And he was like. And I would
have been happy with that, but he said that Timblin told
him, or his, his folks representing him
told him that Timlin isn't taking any of the publishing. So Ryan was kind of
like taking it back. And he was like that. According to Timbaland, he
was like that. He didn't write the song, so he didn't deserve
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to, to take the publishing that Ryan wrote the
song and told him like, from a practical perspective, you need the money more than
I do. I'm already Timbaland, I'm already a millionaire. I'm already this
like established guy in the industry. This is going to put you on. And
Ryan said that that lack of greed
from Timbaland and him being able to retain the publishing rights
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of the song that he wrote that he created allowed Ryan to be able
to Buy a house. So there you see, like, the actual
impact of what something like that can do. And here's the actual
clip that I'll play for you guys. Thought it was
his song. And the truth of the matter is,
he. When they called me about the publishing splits, I was.
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I was just grimacing. I was ready to just be like, I'm gonna
get creamed on this. They're gonna just. They're gonna take half the song or
more. And the manager calls and goes, tim doesn't want to take
any publishing, buddy. Wow. He's not gonna touch it. He's like, it's your song. You
wrote it, and you played him that song like, two years
ago. Like, he's not trying to take food off your table. He's.
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He produced the remix, you wrote the song. So he's not taking
any publishing. I just want to keep. Put that out there for everybody watching. That's
Timbaland. He could have taken two thirds of the publishing if he wanted to. He
had all the leverage in the world. And he said, I didn't write the song.
I'm not taking any publishing. And that was. It was that
clean. And he let me keep 100% of that record.
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And that changed my life. And he said, he's like, you need it more than
I do. So I'll give Tim props to the rest of
my life for that, because that was a life changer for me. That's how I
bought a house.
How dope is that? Shout out to Timbaland.
Absolute round of applause. Welcome to the SP Fun Today
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I wonder what yeah, I really wonder what this country
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within the DNC actually let the process play out and let
Bernie represent the left. I think he would have
beat Trump more so than Biden and
definitely would have gotten eight years versus just four. And
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South Park. We're again in the situation where we feel like we have the
choice between a douchebag and a turd
sandwich. But I wonder how things would have been shaped
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Industry Season two A couple episodes ago
I told you guys how I stumbled upon this show and
I broke down season one of Industry. If you're
interested in that, go check out episode 270 of the Sponsored
podcast. And in this episode I'm going to break down or just do a
little recap and review of Season two. If you're
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familiar with my or if you're not familiar rather with
my recap and review style of shows or
movies. They're not too spoiler
heavy in that I'm not gonna, you know, chronologically break down
every single thing that that occurred with it within the show, but what I do
is give a general overview. Some spoilers
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inevitably do come out. Obviously, if you haven't seen season two and you
don't want to know anything that happens, you know, skip forward, don't listen to this
segment. But what I like to hone in on is
the writing of the show, some of my favorite pieces of
dialogue and creative choices. And again, for folks
who don't know and that didn't Listen to episode 270,
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Industry is an HBO show similar to
Succession, which was a big hit for hbo. So folks listening
to this may have seen Succession if they haven't seen Industry and where
succession covered a family within the
media world. Industry is focused on the financial
sector, the financial world, to quote unquote,
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financial thriller and financial drama. The official
synopsis is a British American television
drama series that premiered in 2020. It follows
a group of young graduates competing for permanent positions at a
prestigious investment bank in London. These young bankers
and traders make their way in the financial world in the
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aftermath of the 2008 collapse. So now most of our main
characters from season one are now established in season
two. They're about two to three years into their
permanent positions at Peer Point, which is the name of the
investment firm. And before I share some of my favorite takeaways, I want
to shout out once again the writers of
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this series because we don't shout out the writers here on the Spun Today
podcast who will first up are Mickey
down and Conrad K. Which are the co
creators of the show and have written 19 of the 24
episodes of the show. Then you have Joseph Charlton
which has written on two episodes and the following four folks which
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have written on one episode a piece, Sam H.
Freeman, Kate Verges, Matthew
Barry and Zara Mirza.
Shout. Out to each and every one of the writers
and the co creators that put this series together. So in
this season the characters are obviously a bit more developed, a bit
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more settled in their roles of being
part of Purepoint for the past two or three years, having
permanent positions molded and shaped by
their colleagues and respective mentors. Definitely less
green, but still, you know, trying to figure out
who they are, where they fit into the greater scheme of things. And the
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first piece of dialogue that I want to share comes from
Nicole Craig played by Sarah Parrish. She's a
wealthy client of peerpoint
and true to the in my opinion, exact exaggerated
nature of of the show and
how sex and drug heavy the show is,
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she goes out on these like client dinners and at peer point
is paying for and she gets pitched ideas and stuff like
that. And she hits on
slash sexually assaults Harper Stern by you know, being
drunk in the back of the car, leaning her head on on
Harper's shoulder and then pulling a trump and
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grabbing her by the But Harper turns down
the advance and that's kind of that.
But in season two, Robert Spearing, played
by Harry Lottie, he takes on
Nicole as a client to be her sales rep
or hoping to be. You know, she's again this wealthy
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older, older woman and all these sales reps
from or Traders and sales reps from
Pure Point are, you know, two, three years out of college. But he takes
her on, takes her out, winds her and dines her
and same thing happens pretty much, but they
strike. This type of relationship, kind of like
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codependent. Robert's character has mommy issues.
He's insecure about his place within the firm, desperately needs
a client, needs some someone to represent. She's giving him this
opportunity. He's the kind of like the party, take clients out,
do drugs with them. That's his whole angle. But he's
trying to clean himself up and take himself seriously. She kind of
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sort of gives him the opportunity to represent her, but in a quid
pro quo fashion, also bangs him as well. But they have this
like love, hate relationship, right? And again, this codependent type
of relationship. She tells him something very interesting too,
because she is not, you know, who she reminds me of?
Kind of, in a way, Kathy Bates. His character in
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Titanic, if you guys remember. She, you know, she's amongst all these
legacy rich people. She's considered, quote unquote, new money. That
doesn't really fit in, but she's just as rich as them.
So these, like, legacy generational wealth folks kind of look down on
her. Nicole Craig's character is similar in
that way. She didn't come from generational wealth, but she was
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like self made, very wealthy. And it's kind of rough
around the edges, if you will. And she connects with Robert
spearing in that sense because, like, his father owns a
pub. Hardworking guy, but, you know, definitely not a
wealthy family that he comes from. His mother was the overbearing,
pushing him to be more. Somehow gets into a
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prestigious university, you know, rubbing
shoulders with all these general generational
wealth kids and kind of feels out of place in that setting as
well. So they have like that type of connection. And they have
an interesting exchange where Nicole tells him that they
being, you know, like the powers that be, don't want you to be
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successful. So they make you instead a success
story. And a success story, all it
does is that it reinforces the rigidity of where
you come from. It reinforces your difference. So
the structure of it all stays absolutely the same
and they keep their power. I thought that was definitely interesting
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perspective there. Another piece of dialogue that I
jotted down and actually didn't write. Who said it?
I'm trying to remember right now, I think it may have been Robert, although it
may have been Yaz Yasmin's character played by Marissa
Abella, or maybe even Harper's character played by
Mahala, but it was that one of them
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says in a scene quote, part of me feels like I
deserve the world. The other part of me feels
less than that definitely resonated with me as someone
that has definitely felt both of those ways at different times in
in my life. And it reminded me of like
the feelings and thoughts that Eminem always gave me in a
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way in how he can go from
feeling as and demonstrating the ability
to be an absolute God within
his domain. Right within rapping a rap God
while also exploring on the other side of the spectrum
being completely self deprecating and highlighting what a piece of shit
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he is and what a loser he has been and then
somehow marrying the two in such a way
that gets you in a mind state to
use that less than feeling as fuel
and a sense of pride in an interesting way
and propelling yourself to getting to the
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part of me feels I deserve the world mentality and acting as
if Speaking of Eminem, did you guys see recently at
a rally in Detroit for Kamala Eminem came
out who's been obviously vocally anti
Trump for years, drew the proverbial orange
line in the sand I think initially and most like widely recognized at
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the like a bet cipher. Back then we was at a Detroit rally
and brought out my guy Barry O Shout out to
Obama. I thought that was a pretty cool moment.
Obama tried rapping like 8 mile a few 8 mile
lyrics from lose Yourself and I just heard something earlier
today actually interesting, an interesting take
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on something that Obama I was listening to Lex
Friedman's podcast and he had Bernie Sanders on and
Lex brought up something that Obama told Bernie
once which was and I'm going to paraphrase
something along the lines of that Bernie is
like a philosopher of the left, filled with wisdom and
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great ideas that folks on the left side turn to
and look to for guidance or what have you, but
that philosophers get to be
king and kings are the ones that have to make the hard
and real decisions. Which was in my opinion
surprisingly practical thing to say
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for and like hardlined thing to say
for Obama to say. And Bernie's general take on that was
that obviously didn't agree with that but
or at least didn't agree with all of it. But he cited
an interesting person whose name for getting someone who ran
for president once upon a time and was like a
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big union leader who didn't win.
But he mentioned how folks like that
person whose name I'm. I'm blanking on have he kind of framed it as kind
of More of a greater goal, if you
will, which I, I guess is debatable, but of like
shaping society as a whole and putting
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ideas forth that do that. And he highlighted
him because although that person lost
fdr, which is one of the, you know,
biggest known presidents in, in history, got us out the Great
Depression, great New Deal, put a lot of these, like
social, Social Security, I believe,
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public lands and other social programs in
place. His presidency borrowed a lot.
There was a bunch of overlap from those ideas of that person that
ran, that union leader that ran and put forth those quote, unquote, radical
populist ideas at the time and in doing so, obviously shaped
society in our country and changed the direction of
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it forever. So I guess Bernie's point in that was kind of sort
of like lose you win type of thing, because some
of my ideas are out there. But I digress. I wonder
what, yeah, I really wonder what this country would
have been like if the crooked, corrupted powers that be within
the DNC actually let the process play out and let Bernie
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represent the left. I think he would have beat
Trump more so than Biden and
definitely would have gotten eight years versus just four. And
we wouldn't be in the situation we're now where to borrow from
South Park. We're again in the situation where we feel like we have the
choice between a douchebag and a turd
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sandwich. But I wonder how things would have been shaped
and changed. Anyway, now I digress for real.
So in season two also we have other characters
like Danny Van Deventer introduced, played by
Alice act, that comes from the New York
City branch of Pierpoint. And
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the firm as a whole is going to be doing some consolidating and cutting and
some folks are going to lose their jobs. And looming
over the entire season is that fact.
And who's being cut? Who's going to lose their jobs? Is New York and take
over? Is London going to stay? Or is it going to be some sort
of like merger of the two? So everybody's in a sense fighting for
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their jobs, their roles. And part of the storyline
in the season is Eric Tao's character being cut
and losing his job, which I think happened at the end of the first
season. And then Harper angling in a way
to help get him his job back.
Then he moves to like a different capacity, then again gets his job
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back on the floor. Eric Tao, by the way, played by Ken
Leung, which is a dope character in the series anyway,
they find themselves in a position where they feel like all of them
are going to be cut. All of them are going to lose their jobs. And
they wind up shopping themselves as an
alternative or shopping themselves as a group. Four of
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them, Eric Tao's character, Harper Stern, Stern
character played by Sagar Radia, which is another dope
character and Danny's character, shopping themselves
as the CDS team, this credit default swap
team that can do for other banks what they
currently do for Peer Point. So they're fear being cut and losing
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their jobs. So they're shopping themselves around basically before that happens
when they have maximum leverage and that winds up being a bust in a
way. I won't spoil that one for you, but I wanted to highlight
something that Eric says when they bring Danny into the
fold of joining them and leaving Purepoint
and it's quote, isn't it lucky that no one is ever
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satisfied? There's definitely a salient take there. Now
flipping over to Yaz, played by Yasmin Karahanani,
or rather Yasmin Karahanani played by Marissa
Abella. She was looking for this new role in wealth
management within the firm. It's kind of like this
boutique type of department headed
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by Celeste Packet played by Katrine de
Candole. And she's flirting with the idea of working there.
Having some like cognitive dissonance between that and her
old role and feeling of starting to gain her footing
within her prior role on the trading
desk. But she constantly has this yearning of feeling valuable,
(19:41):
feeling self made, you know, she comes from for money. Her father's
fairly wealthy and she's bumping up
against her new boss wanting to like manage her father's
assets and money. And then kind of sort of feeling like, does
she only want me for that because of what I could potentially
bring to the table in terms of a big client? So that's all
(20:03):
going on for her internally as a character. And she mentions those
types of concerns to her new boss. And Celeste tells
her, quote, do you want to operate within a
system and be successful or
do you want to dream that you can change it and be left
behind? Which I thought was a pretty cynical view,
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but one that is not original, you
know, one that many folks feel in terms
of the, you know, the financial industry itself. But
in different sectors, right, people feel like that about politics or
more locally about friendships and family
dynamics, feel like that about specific jobs. They
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feel that way about that cynical way about creative
pursuits and being able to or not being able to do something.
So I wanted to highlight that there. And the last thing that I'll share
about season two of industry
is something that Rishi tells Harper,
which I thought was spot on. And he tells her that the way that she
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flips on a dime is sociopathic. And he tells
her this while they're all, you know, scheming on
taking whatever context they can from peerpoint and pitching themselves
as this CVS group. That could do for another
bank what they've done for peerpoint. But I think he,
he definitely hit Harper's
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personality spot on. Like he hit the, the nail on the
head. Oh, and speaking to the, the whole sex and drug
aspect of the show, which again I feel is probably my only
criticism of the show, that it's a little over overblown. But Harper and
Rishi wind up fucking on his wedding day in a bathroom stall.
Whether they're doing coke and they've had absolutely no,
(21:52):
no indication or chemistry or attraction or like
it, they came completely out of nowhere. It was just like sex for sex sake.
I felt like, just like weird and unnecessary I thought. But
teach their own. Oh, and also important to highlight
is that Harper's character in this,
you know, she has so much leverage in this season because she
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landed a huge client like a, like a Elon
Musk slash Mark Cuban esque type of client
named Jesse Bloom play played by Jay
Duplass. So because of that, even though she's like this junior,
you know, two, three year into the business person,
she happened to land this client through like happenstance
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of being at the same hotel as him during
COVID and lockdowns and striking up a friendship and then
pitching him. And she has these like out of the box, unorthodox financial
ideas that he gravitated towards, so on and
so forth. So just important to note there. But yeah,
industry season two dope season. Again, if you're
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late to the series, as I was, I definitely recommend to get into
it. I'm currently about a quarter through
season three and enjoying it as well. So definitely stay tuned for my recap
and review of that once I wrap the show. And definitely let me
know what you guys think of season two. If you've seen it
already. Industry is streaming now
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on hbo. Max. Check it
out. The Twin
Lights ride. Shout out to my fellow cyclists out
there, cycling enthusiasts. Shout out to Pablo,
which is a sponsored alum that I do all these cycling marathons
with. This was the first year that we attempted and
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successfully completed three marathons throughout the
year. First was the five borough which is the biggest
and longest. It's a 40 mile, 40, 40 to 45
mile ride through all five boroughs of New York City.
I definitely broke that down to you guys in a prior episode.
We did the Hudson Valley. That was a great ride. We did a
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15 mile path on that one. And
this was the twin lights ride where we also did a 15 mile
path. Now it wasn't as enjoyable as we
would have hoped due to the weather.
Aside from that, it was great. So last year I think
for the twin lights ride we did the like 30, 30, 33
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mile path. This year, since we were doing three
marathons instead of two, we opted to do the
15 mile. And it's also more of a scenic route. It's
right alongside the water in New Jersey, like that Jersey
shore coastline. And when you do the 30
and above mile ones, it takes you through like a lot of residential areas. Similar
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to the Hudson Valley ride at some scene is some
scenic, you know, parts to it, especially in the beginning when you're
on just the coastline. But the majority of
it is not. But this 50 mile version is
mainly this coastline and then you cut through a few
parks, which is also nice and scenic. And it's a, it's a pretty dope
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ride for us. However, literally while
we were waiting online to register and
actually even before, while we were like driving to it, it was just
raining. While we were driving to it, it would rain, it would let up, it
would rain, it would let up. But while we were online to check
in, it pretty much started drizzling and then picked up
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terrain and didn't stop the entire time.
So did 15 miles. It
took place on September 29, 2024.
So we did 15 miles
in rain of varying intensities right next to the
water. So it was like breezy and wetter and colder. And it was
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for the entire 50 mile trip. So it was a
miserable ride, but we got through it. And when
you get through something like grueling and miserable like that, you kind of feel
good afterwards. At least I do, you know, proud of,
you know, getting something like that done that, you know, it was made
that much harder because of how shitty the weather was. But definitely
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not ideally what we were looking for in terms of the weather
and the overall riding experience. The Twin lights ride,
I'll also say that it's a lot less people than
it's similar to Hudson Valley, I would say, but I would say it's even less
people than Hudson Valley and obviously far less than the five Bar.
The five Bar is something that people from like around the world, you know, fly
(26:39):
in for and do. And it's by far
the largest ride of the year that Bike New York
puts together, I definitely recommend it though. I think we're gonna keep the
same game plan for next year. Try to do the Five Borough, Hudson Valley and
the Twin Lights ride. I'm actually contemplating switching
up my bike before getting into the next cycling season.
(27:02):
I've had. I have a specialized Rock
Hopper from 2011, I want to say is the
model. So it's fairly old. It's been great, a great bike. But I've
had like tire issues that I've mentioned to you guys, which by the way,
after like YouTubing and just switching out the tube and
adding rim tape and stuff
(27:24):
myself after taking it to the shop literally twice
and then having folks help me replace the tubes and stuff
during rides that I mentioned, they get the flat fix
places within the rest stops there. At these events,
I haven't had issues since I wound up doing it myself. So it's something I
recommend if people are having issues with their bikes. And it's not to like pat
(27:46):
myself on the back or anything like that. But I don't know what my point
is. But I guess you, you care more about your shit than other folks would
and if it's something that you can do yourself, why not? But it had.
Has Slash had those issues? Because I haven't had an issue with
that since. But I do have like gearing issues with the top
gears, the 1, 2 and 3 gears, which no longer
(28:08):
are. They'll shift into place, but they'll make like
loud clanking, weird noises and like that. So, yeah, I
just think it's time. It's been like over 10 years, so might be time
to, to make a switch contemplating now because I, I
like the style of the Rockhopper and I like Specialized. But
the Rockhopper, what it is is it's considered a hybrid between like a road bike
(28:30):
and a mountain bike. But I don't do any like off road
biking. Never have really. But then on the flip side,
I don't like the style of the. Just the road bikes that kind of
look like 10 speedish type bikes. I don't like that style aesthetically,
so I'm just. But I'm leaning more towards a road bike. But
yeah, I'll keep you folks posted on what the ultimate
(28:52):
decisions are there. If anybody knows of any deals or
bikes to look into, definitely hit me up. Let me know.
Any recommendations, suggestions. But yeah, that's where I'm at with
it. Shout out as always to Bike New York,
who puts together these, these great events that we've enjoyed
taking part in for years and I highly recommend it to anyone who
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is into cycling. It's a dope community,
cool people around. You know, obviously you have
your, you go hard Lance Armstrong
types. I think it's like them against the world and everybody else is in their
way type of, type of mentality. But whatever you have, you have
those folks sprinkled throughout everywhere in life. But overall,
(29:36):
you know, it's a, it's a dope thing to do. It's you against you, which
I like. And you have night again. Mostly nice caring folks
around that look out for each other and people fall or hurt themselves or
need anything and it's a cool way to take in taking a city,
taken an area, a town. You see things, I always say this.
You see things that you don't notice when you're walking and or
(29:58):
driving. Like when you're cycling through an area. Like you see things at
a completely different level, a completely different plane. I don't know exactly what it
is, but you can drive down the block, walk down the block
or cycle down the block and I feel like you'll see that block three different
ways. But maybe that's just me. And
that folks, was my little recap and review of the 2024
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Twin Lights, ride
goats, doing goat. As I said in the intro, this is a segment of the
Spun Today podcast where I like to highlight goats greatest of
all time, doing something dope, doing something above and beyond that
they otherwise didn't need to do. This
episodes prestigious honor goes to
(30:42):
none other than hitmaker producer
Timbaland. I recently saw an excerpt of
an interview that the Source
reposted from the Finding Hit
Songs Instagram with a songwriter producer by the name
of Ryan Teeter. And he was speaking to
(31:03):
back in 2007 when the song Too Late to Apologize
came out. One Republic Timberland. How Timbaland
produced the remix to that song. And obviously it was a big,
huge mega hit. But Ryan Teeter is the one that actually wrote
it. He was a songwriter as well as a
producer. And he breaks down in this clip that I'll play for you guys in
(31:25):
a bit how when it came time to the publishing rights, you know,
the lawyers, representatives of each artist
figure out and fine tune the details of that, of who's gonna get
what. He felt that, you know, Timbaland being the
big name and largely the one that popularized the shit out of the
song that he would just take, it would be, you know,
(31:47):
status quo essentially for him to take the majority of the publishing
rights. Now before I tell you guys, what Timbaland wound up
doing. I wanted to highlight what the publishing rights are
and what they mean specific to within the
music publishing, which is similar when it comes to writing
and what I speak about often in terms of like, writing books or
(32:10):
screenplays. And I'm sure this translates
to other creative arenas as well. But specifically
to the music publishing rights. This refers
to the ownership and control of a song's intellectual
property, the ip, including its melody, lyrics and
harmonies. And this right, this ownership right of the,
(32:32):
again, intellectual property, the ip, the thing that was created, it
encompasses the rights to reproduce, distribute, perform,
and adapt the work. So whoever owns the ip, if
like a commercial for Budweiser comes and says, hey, I want to use part of
that one republic song, who do I have to pay to get that, to get
that right? Whoever owns that publishing, the intellectual
(32:53):
property is the person that gets the money from that.
And there's a couple. There's two main categories when it comes to music,
which is master rights. You always hear, like, rappers and like Jay Z
famously, you know, I own my own masters and other rappers as well,
and, you know, songwriters in general. But I see it
highlighted more within hip hop of owning your
(33:15):
masters. That's one category, one of the two
main categories. And it. That portion of it deals
with the rights related to the recorded version of the
song, including the production, the mixing and the mastering of the
song. Like the recorded version that you hear, that's the
master rights or ownership of that. The publishing
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rights specifically, which are also known as composition
rights, are owned by the
songwriters and. Or the publishers. And
these rights are the songwriters of the actual
lyrics, the composition, the songwriters of the actual
melody, the harmonies, the songwriters of the
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music itself, AKA the producers, the production of
it. And when you create something in a collaborative
form, like, you know, music mainly is,
you know, you have people that come up with the beats, with melodies, with the
hook, with the lyrics, or multiple
people that come up with the lyrics, you know, that write
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together or in concert, then according to the work that
different folks put into something, that translates
into their percentage of publishing rights
and master rights, et cetera. So if Timbaland, for example, works
with a producer that's, you know, green
and doesn't know the industry really, or, you know, he's just like
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getting his foot in the door and, you know, he comes up with a
dope beat, and Timbaland kind of like oversees it
and maybe makes a little tweak or two. But the person that actually came up
with it is, you know, that new Guy Very often you hear like
stories like this throughout the music industry that
new artists winds up getting fucked. Unlike the rights, you know, the
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big name usually just takes the rights and you know, puts their stamp
on it. And yeah, I created this and you know, kind of pays,
pays the person like a one time fee, but then they, the,
the big name owns the publishing rights, the intellectual property, so they
wind up making money off of that forever. Which is why
again, I highlight always, in my opinion,
(35:27):
again, to each their own, but in my opinion, own your
intellectual property. You never know what
new revenue streams that may not even exist right now will come into play
in the future. And if you own the intellectual property of whatever it
is you create, whether it's a short story, a novel, a song,
you'll be able to have a seat at that table and be able to sell
(35:50):
your work on a different platform in the
future. But if you take, you know, the short money, the short
bag, even if it's big, but short term, and just hand
over your rights, hand over your publishing, hand over your masters, then
whoever purchased that from you, they'll make money on that forever, which is the long
money. But again, I digress. So going back to why I'm awarding
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Timbaland with the goats doing goat shit honor here on the Spun Today
podcast is because Ryan Teeter himself, you
know, knowing and recognizing his position, hierarchical
position within the music industry, he was like, you know, Timbaland's the big name. So
when I got the call about the publishing rights, I was like, you know, he's
going to take like half or like 60, 70% of it. Cuz, you
(36:34):
know, he's Timbaland, he's like the big name. And he was like. And I would
have been happy with that, but he said that Timblin told
him, or his, his folks representing him
told him that Timlin isn't taking any of the publishing. So Ryan was kind of
like taking it back. And he was like that. According to Timbaland, he
was like that. He didn't write the song, so he didn't deserve
(36:56):
to, to take the publishing that Ryan wrote the
song and told him like, from a practical perspective, you need the money more than
I do. I'm already Timbaland, I'm already a millionaire. I'm already this
like established guy in the industry. This is going to put you on. And
Ryan said that that lack of greed
from Timbaland and him being able to retain the publishing rights
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of the song that he wrote that he created allowed Ryan to be able
to Buy a house. So there you see, like, the actual
impact of what something like that can do. And here's the actual
clip that I'll play for you guys. Thought it was
his song. And the truth of the matter is,
he. When they called me about the publishing splits, I was.
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I was just grimacing. I was ready to just be like, I'm gonna
get creamed on this. They're gonna just. They're gonna take half the song or
more. And the manager calls and goes, tim doesn't want to take
any publishing, buddy. Wow. He's not gonna touch it. He's like, it's your song. You
wrote it, and you played him that song like, two years
ago. Like, he's not trying to take food off your table. He's.
(38:02):
He produced the remix, you wrote the song. So he's not taking
any publishing. I just want to keep. Put that out there for everybody watching. That's
Timbaland. He could have taken two thirds of the publishing if he wanted to. He
had all the leverage in the world. And he said, I didn't write the song.
I'm not taking any publishing. And that was. It was that
clean. And he let me keep 100% of that record.
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And that changed my life. And he said, he's like, you need it more than
I do. So I'll give Tim props to the rest of
my life for that, because that was a life changer for me. That's how I
bought a house.
How dope is that? Shout out to Timbaland.
Absolute round of applause. Welcome to the SP Fun Today
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