Station 4 Negotiation

Station 4 Negotiation

Station 4 Negotiation: where real stories unlock powerful negotiation strategies. Hosted by Gene Killian, a trial lawyer with 40 years of experience, we skip the gimmicks and distill practical lessons from real-world deals. Understand the art of negotiation through stories, not lists of rules. Here, you'll find practical insights that will help you communicate, collaborate, and close deals with confidence... and change the way you approach every conversation. Remember: negotiation is life.

Episodes

September 16, 2025 33 mins

This week on S4N, Gene breaks down one of the most daring corporate maneuvers in recent memory: Nvidia’s bold push into the Chinese tech market under the shadow of U.S. export controls.

Through the lens of The Art of War and real-world strategy, Gene returns to our friend from episode 40, Jensen Huang, to explore how Huang played a complex, high-level game – while balancing political risk, regulatory firepower, and a negotiation co...

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One question that comes up time and again when people start learning negotiation is: okay, but how do I negotiate my own salary?

This week on S4N, Gene takes a close look at that question through the lens of a well-known Hollywood standoff with surprisingly relevant lessons for today’s professionals: the salary dispute that led to Suzanne Somers’ abrupt exit from the iconic sitcom Three’s Company

This episode explores what went w...

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This week on S4N, Gene introduces you to media mogul family the Redstones (of Paramount) and breaks down the modern mantra of “FAFO” (let’s just say, “Fool Around and Find Out”) to find the point when pushing goes from good to too far.

He also dives into the ins and outs of mediation: when it can rescue a negotiation, why people misuse it, and the key questions to...

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We hear so much about AI replacing jobs – but, ironically, the best lesson on becoming indispensable comes from an artificial intelligence executive himself.

This week on S4N, Gene zooms in on the meteoric rise of Nvidia and its CEO, Jensen Huang, to unpack a negotiation strategy that every business leader, entrepreneur, and lawyer must master: making yourself indispensable.

In a climate wh...

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How can you tell if your negotiating partner is lying to you? This week on S4N, Gene dives into the art and science of lie detection – drawing on intelligence agency strategies and real-world tools every savvy negotiator should have in their toolkit.

We begin with the deeper meaning behind the classic courtroom oath: “to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.” Gene explores what “the...

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What happens when two relentless negotiators face off, both determined not to give an inch? Why do so many high-level business discussions go nowhere? And what could change the outcome?

This week on S4N, Gene unpacks the story of Bill McGowan – a groundbreaking but often overlooked figure who paved the way for the cell phone you’re holding in your hand right now. McGowan helped dismantle AT&T’s monopoly through bold leadership at M...

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This week on S4N, Gene uses Taylor Swift’s legendary dispute over her master recordings to explore what really happens when business partnerships break down – and what you can do when the system isn’t built to favor you.

It’s a story packed with high emotion, high stakes, and a surprising amount of strategic brilliance. But beneath the headlines is a case study in how leverage is built, how it shifts, an...

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What can a Russian political prisoner teach you about winning in the boardroom?

This week on S4N, we explore the bold persuasion tactics of Alexei Navalny... and what they reveal about power, leverage, and conviction in business. Navalny’s fearless strategy wasn’t about compromise. It was about clarity, ethics, and calling out the game while still playing to win.

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This week on S4N, Gene dissects the high-stakes world of NFL draft day negotiations through the cautionary tale of Shedeur Sanders – rising quarterback and son of Hall of Famer Deion Sanders. What unfolds when raw talent, family legacy, and unshakable self-belief crash headfirst into the cold, calculated machinery of a billion-dollar sports business?

Having watched Shedeur’s draft stock inexplicably plum...

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This week on S4N, Gene opens with Tennyson’s "Charge of the Light Brigade" and the fatal consequences of a misunderstood order, drawing a direct line from Crimea in 1854 to the high-stakes negotiations at Yalta in 1945 – to the boardrooms of today. With Ukraine and Crimea once again in the headlines, we explore how blind obedience, unchecked egos, and behind-the-scenes power plays helped shape the modern world – and w...

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What happens when you try to silence a whistleblower? The whistles get louder.

This week on S4N, Gene digs into the explosive story behind Careless People, Sarah Wynn-Williams’s courageous exposé of her years behind the scenes at Facebook – plus the high-stakes negotiations, ethical dilemmas, and intense resistance she faced from one of the world’s most powerful companies.

Drawing from the ...

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What are the 3 P’s of negotiation? Preparation, preparation, and… oh yeah, preparation. This week on S4N, Gene dives into one of the most critical – and most overlooked – building blocks of negotiation success: thorough preparation. With over 40 years in the field, Gene explores how and why skipping this step has led to more failed deals than any other misstep he’s seen – and how you can avoid the same pitfalls.

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Donald Trump insists that he won the 2020 election. Barack Obama stated that the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate wasn’t a tax when, in effect, it was. Nancy Pelosi famously declared, “We have to pass the bill so you can find out what’s in it.” George W. Bush used questionable facts to justify the war in Iraq. If there’s one truth, it’s that politicians often misrepresent it, which raises the question: why?

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This week on S4N, as whispers of another economic downturn grow louder, Gene dives into the 2008 financial crisis and turns his attention to one of the most pivotal moments in financial history – the collapse of Lehman Brothers. We’ve talked a lot on S4N about knowing your BATNA and being willing to walk away from a deal – but what if your only option is to get the deal done? What went wrong in the final negotiations ...

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On S4N, Gene usually steers clear of covering live negotiations – too much could be happening behind the scenes. But on Friday, the world got to watch the dramatic events that unfolded in the Oval Office as President Trump, Vice President JD Vance, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy came face-to-face in a tense and high-stakes meeting. What started as a crucial diplomatic discussion quickly turned into a show...

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What do you want? A simple question, but one that people often forget to answer before going into a negotiation. In a new application of Morgan Housel's bestselling book The Psychology of Money, Gene breaks down the factors that contribute to what people want and their impact on the dealmaking process.

Explore how regret plays into whether or not a deal gets done, reframe how you think when you're negotiating with someone you think...

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"Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right / Here I am, stuck in the middle with you" – song lyrics, or an accurate description of American politics?

There's a lot to analyze in the world of US politics, business, and culture right now. In order to understand where we're going, it's critical to understand where we've been – so, this week on S4N, Gene breaks down the original negotiation that created America to answer the questi...

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Stoicism may be the trendy philosophy amongst many male media personalities right now - resulting in its occasional description as "broicism" - but it's more than just that. This week on S4N, Gene goes beyond the "broicism" trend and teaches you how to apply stoic principles for better negotiations... not to mention better sleep at night. 

Featuring lessons from books, movies, and thinkers across history, learn how to reframe your ...

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Happy New Year and welcome back to S4N! Before we dive in to another year of exploring high-profile negotiations, we're setting the tone for 2025 by re-focusing our negotiation mindset. In this episode, refresh yourself on risk assessment, handling stress, and effect-based reasoning so you can lay the foundation for making your best deals ever. Explore the ACE framework of decision making, learn how to work with concepts over facts...

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“It’s not how you start, it’s how you finish.” In the last S4N episode of 2024, Gene breaks down the deal that sent shockwaves through the MLB just last week, when Juan Soto left the New York Yankees to play for the team’s bitter rival, the New York Mets.

Explore how risk analysis and risk tolerance play into negotiations, learn how to flip the script from buyer to seller and gain the upper hand in a dea...

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