January 14, 2025 • 52 mins
The House Of Yes
Oh, boy. Where to begin? Do we start at the part where this is a film about an incestuous relationship where the foreplay is a mutual reenactment of the Kennedy Assassination, or should we skip right to the “Let’s Franchise This Comma Baby!” segment, where Devon and Doug recast this movie as a musical? No, really. Doug even went as far as to record a demo just to illustrate how it would work. We turned the phone lines off this week and drilled down into the madness that is Mark Waters’ 1997 directorial debut.
The House Of Yes stars Parker Posey, Josh Hamilton, Freddie Prinze Jr., Geneviève Bujold, and Tori Spelling. Directed by Mark Waters.
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You're listening to Radio Free Reinkliffe.
Welcome to Studio Property, the cinema podcast for people like you.
My name is Doug Wartell.
And I'm Devin Irby.
And this week, we're discussing House of Yes circa 1997, directed by Mark Waters, starringParker Posey, Josh Hamilton, Tori Spelling, a post-Beverly Hills 90210 Tori Spelling,
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Freddie Prinze Jr., and Genevieve Bejold.
Did I say that right?
Bejold?
I'm gonna go Bejold.
She's so incredible in this movie that I can't even wait to get to the intro to talkabout.
She's so good.
So she was in Brian De Palma's Obsession.
She was in Coma.
She was in Cronenberg's Dead Ringers.
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And here's a fun fact.
She was the original Captain Janeway on Voyager.
No, she wasn't.
was cast as Janeway.
And then two days into shooting, she was like, yeah, no, I'm out.
Just saying, I'm gone.
and she bounced.
Although truth be told, that was probably a smart move because Kate Mulgrew is prettyspectacular as Captain Janeway.
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Kate Mulgrew is actually from my neck of the woods.
don't know if you that.
Oh, is she?
Mm-hmm.
Well, I mean, near where I'm from.
Yeah.
She could just live on convention money for the rest of Oh, I assume so.
Yeah.
I have no idea how you're going to react to this movie, by the way.
So the sooner we get to it, the better.
Yeah.
And usually this is around the part where I do like some long, drawn out, silly intro.
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And I don't really, I don't know if I wanna do that, because it becomes like a rantalmost.
But this week I'm gonna go a different route, because I think that The House of Yes is aThanksgiving film that demands context.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I'm here to give it to you.
Okay.
It's a movie that could have only been made.
during the apex of daytime trauma porn television.
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And that too demands context.
Yes it does.
Because to us that was like yesterday, but it's a long time ago.
You see it was 1997 and the computers that Radiohead warned us about were not yet in everyhousehold.
So we hadn't yet learned the sweet release of punching down on strangers anonymously.
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But we may do.
Sure we may have been too civilized to have.
our cruel G-spots finger blasted by some low rent Caesar's thumb.
But we wagged our tails like Pavlov's dog waiting for Borypovich to either sentence somepoor schmuck to the iron maiden of permanent responsibility or say those five magic words
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that would instantly shatter the defiance of any young mother who dared to have sex whilebeing poor.
We loved shaming those unneutered dirt witches in front of an entire nation for adding yetanother
poor, futilist bastard into their already pissed-in dream pool.
This film wasn't made during the summer of smells like teen spirit, but rather the winterof you are not the father.
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which was the Psalm of science itself that when delivered meant a man can return tosmoking freedom from the broken life bulb of life and f*** another day.
Hit the theme song, Devin!
You're up, down, put back the canisters you stole The devil laughed out loud when yousigned away your rotten soul That studio property, your studio property Shut your mouth or
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you'll never walk
So this movie, like I mentioned, is a Thanksgiving film, but it takes place onThanksgiving in 1983.
You have a family.
Dad has long since been gone.
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You've got mom, a daughter and a son, and another son who's been living in New York comesto visit for Thanksgiving, and he's bringing his fiance.
The sister happens to be his twin sister.
And she has just gotten out of a psychiatric hospital.
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And she's very upset.
We learned very quickly that she's very, very upset that he's coming home with a fiance.
Well, he's coming home with a lady.
Initially, they don't know that she's the fiance, but he's coming home with a lady friend.
Right.
I mean, almost immediately we jump into this film and we learn just how unstable thisyoung lady is.
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and what this poor little fiance has gotten herself into.
And then we just progressed through an entire film of instability throughout this entirefamily.
Now, Jackie is played by Parker Posey.
It's an unreal performance.
It's surprising how good it is.
She won a Sundance Award for this.
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I believe so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And should we reveal what happens or should we wait for that?
I don't know.
What do you think?
I mean, it's, on one hand, you could look at it as the movie that hangs in the balance ofthe film, but I don't think it does.
I think the atmosphere of the film is more important.
And I think also, even though it takes some time for us to find out the big secret, it'sno secret.
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You've pretty much figured it out before they actually say it.
You're very suspicious before we ever get there.
So.
We'll just say the brother and the sister, the twins.
have an intimate relationship.
Yes.
But the brother, I would say like the brother is striving to be normal, which is why heends up with this fiance in the first place.
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And I guess he brings her home to sort of like, is this like sort of pre-fungatory?
Yes, I'm going to marry this girl.
So therefore I'm bringing him her home for a holiday so you can meet her.
And I'm going through the, hi, this is my fiance, please approve.
Okay.
But yes, it's very clear that he recognizes the, I'm just gonna say it lightly, theunhealthiness and instability and absurdity of the relationship, not only that he has with
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the twin sister, but also the mother and the other brother, because they're clearly notwell either.
And he's clearly striving for normalcy, which is obvious.
And he at some point says that's why he went to New York.
Wild because he's marching this very normal girl into like this triangulation like aliteral triangulation of crossfire, right?
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Because he's got yeah his weirdo horny brother Mm-hmm like and then the mother who is asyou find out as it goes along is Way more off her rocker than even the obvious than Jackie
some extent.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly Exactly.
I should mention that more.
This is Mark Waters debut.
He was an AFI student when he made this
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This is his directorial debut.
He eventually he goes on to do Freaky Friday and most famously Mean Girls He just didMother of the Bride But here's something fun his brother wrote Heathers Really?
Yeah, that is a fun piece of trivia Yeah, and Hudson Hawk and he had a hand in writingBatman Returns, but most importantly he wrote Heather's I love that Yeah, so it's kind of
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all makes sense now doesn't it it does kind of all make sense.
So obviously this is an older brother
because how those came out in what, 89, 90?
I wouldn't say 89.
Yeah, that makes sense, yeah.
Yeah.
That was a wonderful movie too.
Yeah, it really was.
Fun fact, the high school in that movie is named after Paul Westerberg from TheReplacements.
Really?
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Probably my favorite band of all time.
Cool.
I had to, yeah.
Huh, I did not know that.
I know stuff, useless stuff.
You My brain is a junk drawer, Devin.
Just pulling out random trivia facts.
And sometimes a spool of yarn.
Yeah, exactly.
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Lusty scissors.
But yeah, mean, Genevieve Bouljold?
did we agree her we were going to call her?
think we said Bouljold.
Bouljold.
Right.
She's Canadian, but one would assume with the asante goo in her first name and Bijou?
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Cause I'm looking literally when they do like the translation thing, Genevieve Bijoux, Idon't know.
Bujo?
I don't see the E.
Yeah, I see Bujo.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, don't even know.
I'm so glad we don't have a comment section yet.
Me be Barbakid.
I know.
When we get a Discord, there's gonna be people waiting for us with pitchforks and torches.
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It's gonna And their malice.
Right?
It's gonna be so bad.
Unlike, unlike, unlike.
That's gonna be them.
But the other thing I love about her name though is she's clearly French Canadian.
Oh, okay.
Right?
Because she's Canadian, but it's a very French name.
Oh yeah, she's from Montreal, Quebec or Quebec or Quebec, depending on how you like to sayit.
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it's a tomato town.
Yeah, exactly.
But yeah, no, she is unbelievable in this film.
Well, first of all, when you walk into the house, the moment...
they get in the house, right?
There's a storm outside.
It's almost reminiscent of like a Rocky Horror situation, like the moment they get in, theson and his fiance walk in the house, they are clearly trapped in this hyper reality.
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Yes.
That's like reminiscent of like Clue or Murder by Numbers, right?
Because, I mean, we should also mention that this is based on a play by Wendy McCloud.
Yes.
So the dialogue.
reflects that immediately.
It's very musical.
There's not a pause.
It's just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
And it's one piece of shrapnel after the next.
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Yeah, yeah.
You feel, it's unusual, I think, that it's a movie, it's a film that's based on a play,and you feel that foundation, and you feel it in a good way.
Because like you said, the way the dialogue moves forward and everything, it's really welldone.
Because I think all too often you'll see a movie that's based on a play and you're like, Idon't know.
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It's okay.
It doesn't quite translate unless it's a musical.
Musicals always translate, but if it's just a play.
Do they what?
They always translate.
They always translate because they either translate beautifully or they translate like aflaming dumpster fire and either way they translate.
That is my point.
Or a foreign expletive.
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That's what they translate.
Exactly.
Exactly.
But this, you're right, that dialogue, you feel that stage dialogue, but you feel it in areally good way.
It's spectacular.
Yeah, and it just, you're catching, like, did they just say that?
And then the way they play off each other and the way it seemingly never ends.
I'm gonna play an example of this.
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Okay.
I think that it's important to establish that from the moment that the Tori's spellingcharacter, who her name is Leslie in the film, Leslie.
She's the fiance, the moment she walks in the door,
she's not welcome by anyone.
In fact, Genevieve Bluhold, Mrs.
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Piscow, at one point speaks to her alone, lets her sort of know that, he belongs to hissister in a way.
Which is so weird.
Yeah, yeah.
And then when she gets alone with her son,
She's like, why are you with this woman?
He's like, because I love her.
And she goes, well, do you love her for any particular reason?
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Which is great.
It's great.
Great for us as the audience.
Horrible for him.
Yes.
Yes.
What a horrible thing to say.
But check this clip out.
This is the moment when Ditsy Leslie, played by Tori Spelling, comes down the stairs.
Yes.
Now she's surrounded by her fiance.
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the brother Anthony, and the viper that is our Jackie O, played by Parker Posey.
Here we go.
my.
Good evening.
Good evening.
Is that an evening dress?
I don't know.
It certainly looks like an evening dress.
It's very pretty.
Well, I dress for dinner.
Would you like a glass of liqueur milk?
No, thank you.
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I'll just have a glass of wine.
What's the name of the wine?
I don't speak French.
Who does?
You do.
that's right.
I do.
So what does that mean?
In French?
I think it means something German.
It means loving mother's milk.
You speak French?
No, German.
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love you in sign language.
Let's Cool.
This light here, this is great.
Don't leave this girl alone with any handsome deaf mutes, Marty.
That's my advice to you.
So great.
Don't leave this woman alone with any handsome deaf mutes, Marty.
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That's my advice to you.
Yeah.
Great.
and the way the whole thing plays out and you realize the whole thing is going over overher head.
She doesn't know the name of the wine and then she's like, I don't speak French, but it'sclearly not French.
It's German.
And then the back and forth about the who speaks French.
You do.
right.
I do.
And the way she says that is so great.
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that is so good.
This was a period also where
Parker Posey, I don't know if you remember this, was like the queen of indie movies.
Yes.
When she did Party Girl, that was unreal.
She was just like indie royalty at this point for playing characters like this.
But this one is just incredible.
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Honestly, all of them are good, but in particular, the three ladies crush it.
They crush their roles.
Parker Posey is excitable and unhinged.
but making an effort to keep it together while at the same time being very mean under theguise of being lovely and nice.
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Yes.
And then Tori Spelling is also surprisingly good.
Because I just, I mean, I know it's a mean thing to say.
It's a mean thing to say, but I mean, we're coming off of 9-0, know, Beverly Hills9-0-2-1-0, right?
Well, I don't think it's a mean thing to say because of 9-0-2-1-0, but also her fatherpaid for this film.
I even know that.
He financed the whole thing.
Oh, let me tell you, I didn't know that.
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until I sat through the credits and saw that it was a spelling production and I was like,oh, that's how this got made.
Got it.
Right, right.
I'm going to play you something here really quick.
Okay.
Because can I put you down for enjoying the film?
Yes.
As we go along?
Yes.
Absolutely.
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Because Siskel and Ebert had a problem or five with it.
And I'm going to play this clip because even though they agree that they didn't like thefilm,
they spend more time praising Tori Spelling than they do Parker Posey, which is weirdbecause Tori Spelling was nominated for a Razzie for this movie.
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I don't think that makes sense.
mean.
No, but to hear them go on about it, you would think she was the lead, which shows you thepower of one Aaron Spelling, but watch this clip, because it looks like Siskel and Ebert.
We're about to kill each other over this movie.
Running through the film involves the sisters fascination with Jacqueline Kennedy andfamily secrets that their overnight guests can hardly even begin to suspect.
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Parker Posey is effective as the chatty, daffy, stay at home sister.
She won an award at the Sundance Film Festival for this film.
And Tori Spelling is very good as the visitor from the world of the normal.
And Tori Spelling is like electric.
Yeah, sure.
The other one won like an award or something.
Although that's the answer to why they dislike
it because she's a visitor from the world of the normal.
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Clearly they couldn't handle the content of the film and therefore all they can do is talkcrap about it.
Let's continue.
That observation is on point.
Because I didn't care for the picture and I think that the Jackie O.
Conceit frankly ruins the film.
It's what the film is about.
Roger, no it can be about something and not be good in this presentation.
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Cisco's gonna pull a gun.
bored me.
I thought it was clearly mannered and actually the Tory spelling
performance, you wouldn't expect given the reputation of posing What does that mean?
She's the one that I think makes the film come alive.
Oh, do you now?
Well, she's the one who represents our interests because she's the same person who getsinto this situation.
But I think you have to see that the director has the right to make one of the peopleobsessed with Jacqueline Kennedy.
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He does?
I mean, that's the whole premise.
But he makes it.
But Roger, that's not really new.
seems so mannered.
when I say not new, what I mean is using that character.
quite an argument.
like it.
Marilyn Monroe fix.
have you with people who thought they were Franklin is so much in the culture, Roger.
And Marilyn Monroe fixations.
kinds of things.
Pick some other character.
Frankly, it's tired.
pick Betty Crickman?
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And do it better.
You know what?
I'll see that picture first before I'll see this one again.
OK.
You didn't like it.
Let's get that on the record.
I didn't like it.
But I think that the objection is kind of
Strange coming up later
Neither of like it, but they're arguing about why they don't like it.
Right.
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my goodness.
then being hateful toward each other for their reasons of not liking it.
Yes, so weird.
And our disdain represented the entire spectrum of malice.
Also, did you also immediately feel you can tell the age of this film?
Because it was okay for them to say we really didn't like it because basically everybodywas mentally unwell except for, but we liked the girl who was fine.
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The girl who was clearly what we would consider normal.
We the one who wasn't neurodivergent.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
There's no way they could have made that argument today.
There's no way they could have made that argument.
Oh, man.
Ridiculous.
And also, why was he complaining about it being Jackie O?
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Why does that matter?
I feel like in his head, like he had that, like the Nighthawks painting in his head.
he was like, you know, you can't do the Marilyn Monroe, the James Dean.
And even though Jackie O's not in the painting, it is in his head.
Right.
Just doing people we know.
I mean.
I feel like the conceit of Spider-Man being able to spin webs.
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Right?
Exactly.
You know, like what?
You're going to complain about whoever they pick because the point of her character isthat she does have an unhealthy obsession with a famous individual in this case,
Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis.
So she has this weird obsession with her.
So it's going to be somebody famous.
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It's going to be somebody prominent in one way or another.
So I just feel like he would have just complained about it no matter what.
We should mention that her obsession seemingly began at a party when they were muchyounger.
Yes.
And the assassination itself had affected them really strongly.
You find out that the father disappeared, this part I didn't love, but it's like thefather disappeared that day, later you find out why, but also like at a party, she wears
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the famous pillbox hat, pink combination with the black piping.
You know the outfit, right?
So she glued macaroni to herself and drowned it in ketchup so it would look like brains,which is, you know, really good cosplay, especially in 1980s.
Oh, well this happened in the 70s then, if this is 1983.
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This is solid cosplay.
I mean, it really is.
Yeah.
Let's get into the Anthony character a little bit.
He's played by Freddie Prinze Jr.
And this is made the same year as he made, Know What You Did Last Summer, which is whatlaunched him into superstardom.
And what I like about this role in particular is, like you said, so I Know What You DidLast Summer launched him in superstardom.
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And he was very big in the 90s and the early 2000s, but it was always for those littlekind of teeny bopper rom-coms.
Yeah.
I was clearly quoting Uncle Ivan for using Teeny Bopper, just so you know.
feel like that's what You're like, oh, the Teeny Boppers.
The Teeny Boppers.
Right.
You know, the kids that kind of have pubic hair.
But maybe not.
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It depends.
You know, I'm not judging.
I'm just saying.
Yes.
Yes.
But that was what he was in, right?
Right.
Ultimately, he did, a few years later, did the Scooby-Doo movies.
He was actually a pretty delightful friend, but you know, Scooby-Doo movies, thelive-action ones, and She's All That, right?
Like those, and like you said, like those kinds of films.
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He's also Mr.
Sarah Michelle Geller.
He is.
He is also Mr.
Sarah Michelle Geller.
So yeah, he's dating Buffy at this point.
Yeah.
And unfun fact, both of their fathers committed suicide.
that is an unfun fact.
Fun fact, I met his mother one time.
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She was with my boss.
huh.
wow.
When I was a young lady working, I had a boss who was like best friends with his mother.
And she was cold.
She was very nice to me.
Yeah, I'd gotten tickets to take my boss to this political event.
We'll leave it there.
And she couldn't go and she was like, you should take my friend Kathy.
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And I was like, well, if she'd like to go, I'll be happy to take her.
And I literally took her to a political event.
Yep.
On the word of Ms.
Freddie Prince, I don't know her name.
What's her name?
Kathy Prince.
Kathy Prince, right?
Yeah.
No, she was, mean, she was, she was very nice to me, but I just remember thinking at thetime, this is super weird, but she wanted to go and I was trying to be nice to my boss.
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So I took her and.
And I was like, one point I'm driving my very, grandmother's old, um, gosh, I had mygrandmother's hand me down Pontiac Grand Dam.
That was a piece of garbage.
And I was driving.
How old were you here?
Uh, 22, 23.
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And you're driving like a Pontiac?
Like a Pontiac Grand Dam, like a 1993 Pontiac Grand Dam.
Like it was like old, it was piece of crap.
The family referred to it as poochy.
because it didn't have a lot of get up and go.
And I'm driving her and I'm like, I'm totally driving Buffy's mother-in-law in my crappycar.
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I don't know how this happened, but this is happening right now.
Yeah.
That's cool.
Such a weird random story.
We ran into Parker Posey at a John Cameron Mitchell gig.
Ooh.
Yeah, we were at a, it's a performance space called the Spiegel Tent in Bard.
John Cameron Mitchell was playing.
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was like this sort of, you in our table was right across from Parker and company.
So was, yeah, she was still like kind of holding court and just being awesome.
I love it.
So, you know, so it was really cool.
So let's yeah.
So we obviously we digress.
We must get back to Anthony.
So yeah, but he was this I loved because it was very different than all of the other roleshe was getting at that time.
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And he's quite good at it.
He is really good at it what he's playing is like the sort of like
weird little brother who drops out of college and he's sort of taking on a caretaker rolewhere Jackie's concerned, but he forgets Like he's kind of like a human betta fish.
Yes.
His mother asks him like, did you give her medication?
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He's like, I don't know.
Yes.
You know, like he doesn't remember anything, but as soon as he said, you know, like hesaid, this was their first visitor.
So as soon as this woman enters the house, he's like all over her.
just, can't leave her alone.
And it's really, really uncomfortable.
It's very uncomfortable.
But also it's exacerbated by the fact that Jackie's character quietly pulls him aside andis like, you know, Marty and Leslie aren't serious, right?
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I know they say they're engaged, but I bet you have more in common with her and basicallytells them you need to try to tap that.
I mean, that's basically right.
What she does, which just then exacerbates the absurdity of his character anyway.
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of weird because around this point of the film, it sort ofstumbles a little bit.
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And it's because the whimsical music isn't as prominent as it is during the quippy parts,right?
Yep.
So we start to lose the hyper reality or the sort of clue atmosphere of it.
There's a great scene where Marty tries to play chopsticks with his bride-to-be on thepiano and it's excruciating.
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Yes.
Which is terrible.
Yes.
And then Jackie slides in and they play this incredible piece together and they're clearlyhaving a blast, right?
And it's this really strange, it's this sort of like, well, this is who he belongs with,twin sister.
Right.
So Tori goes upstairs, Leslie goes upstairs with Anthony, know, Anthony follows her.
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And after they confess to Anthony that they've been
having a relationship or they've always had this relationship, which I felt was kind ofunnecessary, like maybe Anthony should have already known.
Well, and I sort of gathered that he did know, but they never actually said anything, buthe was always suspicious.
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Yeah, yeah, that's true, because the mother knows too.
The mother knows too.
so it's like a thing that everybody knows, but nobody actually says out loud.
And also, that was the first moment where I wasn't sure that I fully believed Marty'scommitment
to quote unquote normalcy because he immediately, he and Jackie pile on Anthony.
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And he, know, when Anthony's like, don't, why did you tell me that?
Why did you tell me that?
And they're like, you knew.
And they give him such a hard time and they basically tease him.
And they're like, what are you talking about?
You knew this.
Well, this is the interesting part of the whole Thanksgiving part of the movie, right?
Which I'm not sure was like hit hard enough in the actual.
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composition of it, right?
Because this is the interesting thing about taking any fiance home to your family.
There's always a level of family dynamic that isn't like the outsider that you're bringingin, right?
And you sort of slide back into that dynamic to some extent, even though you have thecamera of your outsider on you.
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The moment that person leaves the room,
you fall victim to that dynamic and you've sort of become in that cycle.
Now the hyper-exaggeration of this madness that this family has is just makes that moreso.
And that I think is a very smart choice.
But in execution in the part of Anthony, where Anthony's concerned, like saying it to him,it kind of takes you out of it a little bit because I feel like there was certain subjects
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where even that reality
You can't just gloss over that unless the normal character is over the top like SusanSarandon in Rocky Horror.
Do you know what I mean?
Yes, yeah, I see what you're saying.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
I would agree with that.
Yeah, like I'm not taking away from Tori Spelling's performance.
Also, I wasn't there when she was being directed.
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I don't know what the level of outrage should have been because what happens is she goesdownstairs and you see that the brother and sister not only are having
relations but they have a ritual that that revolves around reenacting the kennedyassassination which is so creepy you wanted to say hot you did want to say hot but like
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but yeah it is really it's very it is very very odd and to say the least and then you knowof course because the incest of it all is is played to almost be erotic in the film which
is
again, takes us out of the whimsical sort of atmosphere of the beginning.
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So it takes a turn where I feel like it kind of stumbles a little bit.
Like I've heard critics say like, well, it feels claustrophobic.
No, it didn't at first.
It's a big house.
Yeah, yeah.
It's that moment where it becomes real.
And I don't think Leslie's character reacts to it appropriately.
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Yes, I would agree with that.
I would agree with that.
And also the way she finds out, because Anthony has said, I have a thing I have to tellyou.
This is what it is.
And she's like, I got to go talk to Marty, like you said.
And of course, the power's gone out because of the storm that's happening.
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so Marty and Jackie O don't see that Leslie's literally walked in.
also,
Did Leslie walk in soon enough to see the shot?
Because that's the other part of it that was super just, you know, she's firing a real gunwith blanks at him.
because they're re-enacting clearly the assassination.
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And then immediately- of the foreplay of it all.
Which is part of the foreplay, which is so disturbing.
I arguably more disturbing than the incest and the incest is super disturbing.
Because it's always disturbing, right?
but then here you have this extra element where you're like, I don't know what I'm moreoffended by right now.
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You know, you're like, I'm very offended.
The idea of shooting blanks at one another.
Yes.
Or And pretending to murder somebody and then having sex or the fact that, I don't know,yeah.
I mean, you're just like, there's too much happening.
You clearly never dated a goth.
No, I have never dated a goth.
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But yes, Leslie walks in and sees this.
And weirdly, you're right.
She doesn't have the right reaction because she doesn't, she doesn't stop it.
She doesn't bust in and say, WTF, what nonsense is this?
You know, there's no version of I will, you know, she doesn't Wayne Brady.
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I will choke a bitch.
Right.
Cause I mean, I feel like she should just run in and be like, Jackie.
And, know, I will choke a bitch.
Right.
She doesn't, she turns around and runs back up and decides to get it on with Anthony.
Yeah, that's that's and it's not in that again at that hyper reality you could have youcould have Carried that a little bit right because you had this storm, right?
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Right, which was supposed to keep her in the house.
Yeah, right But then Anthony's really creepy and smothering to begin with yes that had tobe musical That's really delicate and it stumbles right there.
You're just kind of like yeah It was so much fun.
I guess I'll go with it, but it's not done.
Well
Right.
You know, did you find yourself, cause I know I did at that moment going, how did thiswork on the stage?
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Every time.
Yes.
Cause it had to, it was probably a lot more fun.
You would think so.
In that moment.
Yeah.
And, and this film, and I don't say that as in, cause the film's not actually reallygraphic at all.
mean, everything's fairly low key.
The things that you do see are extremely minimal.
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so that's not quite how I mean that, but somehow you wonder, you know, still the structureof that on stage.
I wonder how that played out.
I think also the pacing and it might've been a failure in the edit, you know, like ourbrains were still processing the slow motion cut of the wave that, Marty is doing is Jack
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Kennedy and it is.
Wow.
It is like that wave and that scene and the way that plays out is it really holds you fora minute.
And then we immediately go back upstairs right after Parker Posey puts her brother insideof her.
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Right.
Exactly.
Yes.
We're still processing that.
Right.
And so is Tori's spelling, which makes everything that happens after upstairs.
very, very awkward for the audience.
Right, very awkward, very awkward.
And the awkwardness is added because we realize once Leslie and Anthony are fully gettingit on, mom walks into the doorway and is like, now I have my excuse to toss this gal out
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in the morning.
Yeah.
And like, again, no fuss, no muss, doesn't say anything, it's just like,
Good job, Anthony.
This is all I needed.
I just needed a little fodder to get her out of the house in the morning.
It's so weird.
And it to that creepiness.
At the end, of course, it all comes to a head, as you can imagine.
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I don't want to give too much of that away.
But, you know, Leslie does find herself running out of the house at the end.
you know, and we'll get there in the next segment.
But I think it was now is a good time to actually bring up the next segment.
OK.
You know why?
Because it's America's new favorite segment, Devon!
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And I of course mean, how do we franchise this comma baby?
Now this is the segment where we discuss how we're going to make a lot of money remakingand or sequel-izing this piece of studio property as it were.
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Well clearly we are not sequeling because there's no sequel to this.
There's nothing that happens other than maybe another psychiatric hospital and cops and acourt case.
There's nothing else that's gonna happen.
Yeah.
The police are coming.
The police are coming.
There's no way the police aren't coming.
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some of the things you find out later, they're bringing a dig team with them.
exactly.
They're definitely bringing a dig team.
Yeah.
So look, when I mentioned earlier that there's a stumble in there, like that should notprevent you from seeing this.
This is a pretty fun not at It is.
But I think I figured this out because and it's funny because I was watching, do you knowCoralie Fargeet is director?
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She just did a film called The Substance with Demi Moore.
Oh yes, I know that movie.
She's in the body horror genre.
This film is, I don't know.
I didn't see The Revenge, the film before that.
So I watched a making of The Substance, And just listening to her, how she budgets certainthings.
She had a Hollywood scene, but she filmed it in France.
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So she's like, I just needed a shot of a palm tree and I'm fine.
And then they showed the shot and I'm like, that's all she freaking needed.
Because she wanted to spend money on
This other, you like the models and the blood and all this.
And I'm like, she did that movie for 17 five.
What really?
And I bring that up because I think not only are going to remake the house of yes, butwe're going to make it a musical.
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Yes.
Thank you.
And I think that this musical, because you said it yourself, musicals always translate.
Musicals always translate.
So what we'll do is we will turn this into a musical.
Okay.
But with practical sets, like the whiz or like grease or like, like we're on locations andsets, it isn't going to be wicked.
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It's not going to be, they're not going to be standing in front of like a Harry Potterscreensaver.
No, no.
And singing nonsense.
Yup.
You know, so this is the idea.
Although I'm going to alter it a little bit.
Okay.
So we're never going to see the actual incest.
Okay.
We're going to know.
But we don't need to see it.
Because I want to compete with whatever bullshit Wicked inspires by the time we get tofilming.
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yeah, yeah.
Yes.
Once we enter that like hyper reality of a musical, we get away with murder.
then we get away with incest.
Right.
Yes, we do.
So let's go over who we think we should cast and we'll take votes on each one.
OK.
OK.
Who plays Marty?
Who plays Marty?
Marty's got to be.
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OK.
Part of my, I'm not gonna lie.
I wanna cast people like my own age because that's, because of the way this film is,that's like where my head goes.
I gotta keep, I gotta think about younger people.
so I feel like we need some 20 somethings.
Yeah, you're like 20, right?
Oh, you.
I'm just saying, we both know I'm We both moisturize, sure.
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We do moisturize.
Okay, so some- a vengeance.
I don't know who I want as Marty.
He's gotta be somebody a little doofy.
If that's the right word.
had Andrew Garfield.
that'd be good.
yeah.
like Andrew Garfield.
in Tick Tick Boom as well.
So he has the musical chops.
yeah.
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I was considering all things.
Okay, you are considering all things.
Okay.
So are we good with Andrew Garfield?
We're good with Andrew Garfield.
I like Andrew Garfield as Marty.
Yep.
I like that a lot.
let's immediately cast Jackie.
Okay, so who is a young person that sings that can pull off cuckoo?
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Does Florence Pugh sing?
Also, there's makeup we can, you know.
true.
Does Florence Pugh sing at all?
that's a good question.
Because I feel like- Can we get her?
I mean, we're 17'5".
Okay.
Pugh is all the rage right now.
I mean, she is all the...
got a Marvel thing, she's got a Dune 3.
But we're also remaking the House of Yes as a musical, which is, you know, so...
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she wouldn't say no to that.
She'd probably cut, cut...
Give me half of what I make for that.
I know, she's gonna give us a deal.
She's gonna give us a deal.
I would at least audition Chaperone.
Oh, yes, okay.
If you're Chaperone, and I don't want to stereotype pop star-lits.
Yeah.
She does do offbeat...
things she does, you know, she's a champion of like the LGBT community.
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I don't think she has any qualms about out, like just totally Trumping Madonna.
Right.
Yes.
So she might want to bite into this just for that.
Right.
So I want to see her audition roll.
If not, I'd have to go Kristen Bell.
okay.
And Kristen Bell also moisturizes.
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bit older.
But would, should.
That's important by the way.
yeah, could do it.
Moisturize guys.
Yeah, she would be good too.
She'd be good too.
I don't know if her Disney contract would allow it, I don't know.
She seems like a lady who has control over her own destiny.
I have to imagine she'd be like, you know what Disney, I need to be allowed to do thethings I want to do.
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And I'm clearly going to play a girl.
so.
right?
You think so.
I think she kill this role.
think she would do a great job.
could handle the.
Because there is a back and forth.
It's that complete mental instability, but being able to snap back to pretending you'refine.
Because Parker Posey did that beautifully.
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Yeah.
Where she would just be like, yes.
Sorry, mother.
I'm fine.
Could you make me coffee?
Thank you, mama.
Like, way she'd go back and forth.
I think we see if Chapel Road can do it because I think there's like- We at least look ather audition tape.
at least look at her audition tape, but I would say Kristen Bell is probably pretty darnsolid for that.
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Yeah.
Yeah, that's good.
All right.
you on a roll.
I like it.
two.
Who do you have for Leslie?
Well- Or Roger Ebert would say, who is our pathway to normalcy?
Who is our pathway to normalcy?
Well, now I feel like my choice doesn't work because I really thought Zendaya would bedelightful.
But I don't think it works now.
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I don't think it works for Kristen Bell and Andrew Garfield.
Do we know if Zendaya could sing?
Yeah, she can sing.
Didn't she sing And putting her in everything.
Well, didn't she, wasn't she on that TV?
We don't, the world does.
She's talented as one.
I don't know, you can't not look at her and she seems delightful.
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What's that?
I mean, I think she's wonderful, but she's in everything.
Okay, fine.
Well, who did you have?
I had Abby Elliot from The Bear.
She played Sugar.
Yeah, yeah, no, I know who that is.
Yeah, but I don't know again.
I don't know what her musical ability is.
Yeah, I don't.
Yeah, it's that's a tough one.
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That's a tough one.
I want to go a little bit more milk toast.
Yes, I want to go a bit more milk toast.
Who could that be though?
Natalie Portman.
So I got 17.5.
We only have 17.
Yeah, we only have 75.
OK, OK, I think I might have to come back to Leslie, but I know who I want is Anthony.
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good, because I have my Anthony's blank.
Okay, Ansel El Gort from Tokyo Vice and he was in the remake of West Side Story.
He was Tony.
Okay, so we know he can sing.
know he can sing great.
But also he's I mean, milk toast is a good description.
Or as Uncle Mark says, oatmeal face, just bland and there.
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Just sort of bland in That's something I wish we could get on the show, but it would nevercome on in million years.
my God, you're absolutely right.
yeah.
He'll listen to this and be horrified we mentioned him.
Yeah, that's true.
Like, he'll cover his shoulders with his proverbial blanket.
Yes he will.
And be like, no.
You said my name.
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It's true.
Listeners, we are not exaggerating.
Mark.
He's our favorite human.
Yeah, we love him so much.
My Mrs.
Pescal is, I think I got an ace in my deck.
who do you got?
No, no, you just tell me.
Because if you got an ace, let's just do it.
Hannah Waddingham from Ted Lasso.
That would be amazing.
she'd be so I don't know if she can do an American accent, but.
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she definitely can.
Yeah, she would nail this.
She would be killer.
She would run away with this.
Kristen Bell and all.
Right?
The right amount of posh appropriateness, but subtle insanity.
and singing on top of And a voice like an angel.
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yeah.
Doesn't matter who I was thinking.
She's the winner.
She's the winner.
OK, so basically, we just need Leslie.
Like you said, milk toast, very, very innocent.
but also she's gotta be able to play.
We need white meat, we need white meat.
Yeah, yeah.
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Wait, that was Leslie?
Again, I had Abby Elliot, I think she checks all those boxes.
You think she checks all those boxes?
Yeah, I just don't know about her musical talent.
I think she could play, I mean, I don't think she's that person, but I think she couldplay that person.
You think so?
Well, I think her musical talent is probably fine, because wasn't she part of the singinggroups on Saturday Night Live every time they did the Sisters singing group?
(44:21):
You know, and I'm do nice.
Yeah.
She was when they first started it.
I'm pretty sure she was one of the sisters.
So I'm pretty confident she can sing.
So, okay.
Well then we'll lock her in.
We'll lock her in.
Okay.
You know, look, if you're an agent, if you're like a vicious agent, like, you know, giveus headshot, like, you know, like make your case, you know, for young board, like we're
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open to debuts.
Cause I feel like Leslie's a very important role.
She's an extremely important role.
Actually, debut might be, that might be appropriate.
We could be breaking the next Olivia Newton, John.
We could, we absolutely could.
I like this idea.
I think that's got a real possibility to it.
the power we would have.
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Yes, we'll take a chance on us, we'll take a chance on you.
So your director my director director.
Okay.
Well, I went two routes I went you went John Waters I Mean he crossed my mind.
I'm not going to lie.
He crossed my mind.
No, I went Kennedy film and I was like maybe we just go Oliver Stone and just be like
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No, because you know what?
He would imply some conspiracy theory in our musical and it would have nothing to do.
It would be like, don't get the shot.
Like it'd be like some sneaky.
I thought it would be kind of funny.
I don't know.
I thought it was funny.
I'm not risking 17.5 on that guy.
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Rob Marshall was somebody else I had in mind.
we got to go full musical then we got to do go with somebody who can handle a musical.
And he did Chicago.
Yeah, he did a fantastic job on Chicago.
Or do we need somebody who can tone it down more?
Yeah, see, I wasn't thinking musical at all, believe it or not.
was thinking of tone.
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OK, I was thinking of a maestro of the material.
OK.
How to handle that material.
Jordan Peele.
that's OK.
Yeah, I mean, there's no argument.
We got the bag and bag and bag.
But again, we're making an amazing film.
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House of Yes as a musical.
So nobody's gonna say no to that.
Before I tell you who the composer should be.
Okay.
I'm gonna tell you about my ending, my alternate ending.
you have an alternate ending, okay.
Yes, because Leslie running out of the house, I was inspired by that magic.
(47:00):
Instead of cutting to old home movies or that mess, right?
Leslie runs out of the house.
We never learn about the father.
I think we could get rid of that.
I think that also that just it's too neat and boring.
Like, you know, that that's the reason for their trauma.
know the mother kills the father.
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Boring, right?
Yeah.
OK.
I think.
What happens is, is that Leslie runs out of the house and.
She's screaming down the street.
She might even just run into a neighbor's house and you see like a turkey dinner on thetable, because it is Thanksgiving Day.
Right, it is.
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But that dinner table is surrounded by bunk beds and people covered in blankets, excepttheir sneakers are sticking out because they're dressed like the Heaven's Gate cult.
What?
Right?
Yes.
Yes.
And then she runs out of that house screaming and she sees a couple walking their dog andshe's like, help me, help me.
My fiance has just been shot by a sister and she grabs their outfits, she's screaming andcrying and she notices they're wearing the space suits from the space shuttle Challenger.
(48:15):
So as you're pulling out of this cul-de-sac, what you're learning is that everyonecelebrating this holiday in this neighborhood has fetishized some big American trauma.
What?
Credits.
And then big musical number, which could be appropriate or just a cover of Grease as we gotogether because we're already here.
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Because we're already there.
wow.
That's my ending.
That's quite an ending.
That is quite an ending.
Yeah.
Wow.
OK.
So that's the ending I would insist on had I be if I were to produce such magic.
Yeah.
Wow.
Wow.
I did not see that coming.
I did not see that coming.
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Before I tell you who I would get to score it, I'll tell you who I wouldn't get to scoreit.
Lin-Manuel Miranda.
Because there is no room for his gobbly gooky MC Hammer rap nonsense.
No, there is not.
Not in this musical, bud.
Not in this musical.
At no point is he going to be like, you know, you do what they want to do, say what theywant to say.
(49:27):
No.
No time for that.
Lin-Manuel Miranda.
Sorry, man.
I would like to volunteer as tribute to compose this myself.
In fact, I went as far as to make a demo.
Let me play the scene out for you.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Because I was inspired, to say the least.
OK.
So Jackie's looking for her hairbrush.
Remember that scene?
Yeah.
Where's the hairbrush?
And Anthony starts dropping facts about Marty's visit.
And she's like, how do you know?
And he's like, well, he called and he called and said he was bringing a friend and itsounded like it was going to be a female.
(50:10):
this, remember that scene, she to sort of break down, but in the film, it's not allowed tobreathe.
Whereas like the song should go in stages of her like curiosity to anger, to maybeplotting the death of the person before she even sees who it is.
So I'm going to play us out with the song that I wrote.
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And also it foreshadows the things we're going to learn in vaguely.
And the song is called The Pillbox Crown and written by yours truly for an imaginary Houseof Yas musical.
I'm so excited to hear this.
That being said, join us next week.
We're going to cover The American Friend starring Dennis Hopper and my favorite actor ofall time, Bruno Gantz.
(50:59):
Yep.
Yeah, he's up there.
He's in the definitely top three.
directed by Vim Vendor, shot by Robbie Mueller.
You'll see next week.
It's wonderful.
we'll see next week.
But here is our song for our musical.
Yes.
Eat My Crust, Lin-Manuel Miranda.
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We're your studio property.
I'm Doug.
I'm Devin.
And C.
I wonder what she's like.
I bet she has long hair And a beauty mark I hope is cancer I'll take my pillbox crown downfrom the Crock-Pot shell And let this simple bitch know what she got is mine I am your hot
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pink angel of death who's gonna take your case Gonna make you realize Just before you die
She'll never take the First Lady's place
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Never take the first lady's praise
Spillway Street!
You're listening to Radio Free Reinkliffe.
Welcome to Studio Property, the cinema podcast for people like you.
My name is Doug Wartell.
And I'm Devin Irby.
And this week, we're discussing House of Yes circa 1997, directed by Mark Waters, starringParker Posey, Josh Hamilton, Tori Spelling, a post-Beverly Hills 90210 Tori Spelling,
(00:30):
Freddie Prinze Jr., and Genevieve Bejold.
Did I say that right?
Bejold?
I'm gonna go Bejold.
She's so incredible in this movie that I can't even wait to get to the intro to talkabout.
She's so good.
So she was in Brian De Palma's Obsession.
She was in Coma.
She was in Cronenberg's Dead Ringers.
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And here's a fun fact.
She was the original Captain Janeway on Voyager.
No, she wasn't.
was cast as Janeway.
And then two days into shooting, she was like, yeah, no, I'm out.
Just saying, I'm gone.
and she bounced.
Although truth be told, that was probably a smart move because Kate Mulgrew is prettyspectacular as Captain Janeway.
(01:15):
Kate Mulgrew is actually from my neck of the woods.
don't know if you that.
Oh, is she?
Mm-hmm.
Well, I mean, near where I'm from.
Yeah.
She could just live on convention money for the rest of Oh, I assume so.
Yeah.
I have no idea how you're going to react to this movie, by the way.
So the sooner we get to it, the better.
Yeah.
And usually this is around the part where I do like some long, drawn out, silly intro.
(01:41):
And I don't really, I don't know if I wanna do that, because it becomes like a rantalmost.
But this week I'm gonna go a different route, because I think that The House of Yes is aThanksgiving film that demands context.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I'm here to give it to you.
Okay.
It's a movie that could have only been made.
during the apex of daytime trauma porn television.
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And that too demands context.
Yes it does.
Because to us that was like yesterday, but it's a long time ago.
You see it was 1997 and the computers that Radiohead warned us about were not yet in everyhousehold.
So we hadn't yet learned the sweet release of punching down on strangers anonymously.
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But we may do.
Sure we may have been too civilized to have.
our cruel G-spots finger blasted by some low rent Caesar's thumb.
But we wagged our tails like Pavlov's dog waiting for Borypovich to either sentence somepoor schmuck to the iron maiden of permanent responsibility or say those five magic words
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that would instantly shatter the defiance of any young mother who dared to have sex whilebeing poor.
We loved shaming those unneutered dirt witches in front of an entire nation for adding yetanother
poor, futilist bastard into their already pissed-in dream pool.
This film wasn't made during the summer of smells like teen spirit, but rather the winterof you are not the father.
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which was the Psalm of science itself that when delivered meant a man can return tosmoking freedom from the broken life bulb of life and f*** another day.
Hit the theme song, Devin!
You're up, down, put back the canisters you stole The devil laughed out loud when yousigned away your rotten soul That studio property, your studio property Shut your mouth or
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you'll never walk
So this movie, like I mentioned, is a Thanksgiving film, but it takes place onThanksgiving in 1983.
You have a family.
Dad has long since been gone.
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You've got mom, a daughter and a son, and another son who's been living in New York comesto visit for Thanksgiving, and he's bringing his fiance.
The sister happens to be his twin sister.
And she has just gotten out of a psychiatric hospital.
(04:28):
And she's very upset.
We learned very quickly that she's very, very upset that he's coming home with a fiance.
Well, he's coming home with a lady.
Initially, they don't know that she's the fiance, but he's coming home with a lady friend.
Right.
I mean, almost immediately we jump into this film and we learn just how unstable thisyoung lady is.
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and what this poor little fiance has gotten herself into.
And then we just progressed through an entire film of instability throughout this entirefamily.
Now, Jackie is played by Parker Posey.
It's an unreal performance.
It's surprising how good it is.
She won a Sundance Award for this.
(05:14):
I believe so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And should we reveal what happens or should we wait for that?
I don't know.
What do you think?
I mean, it's, on one hand, you could look at it as the movie that hangs in the balance ofthe film, but I don't think it does.
I think the atmosphere of the film is more important.
And I think also, even though it takes some time for us to find out the big secret, it'sno secret.
(05:39):
You've pretty much figured it out before they actually say it.
You're very suspicious before we ever get there.
So.
We'll just say the brother and the sister, the twins.
have an intimate relationship.
Yes.
But the brother, I would say like the brother is striving to be normal, which is why heends up with this fiance in the first place.
(06:01):
And I guess he brings her home to sort of like, is this like sort of pre-fungatory?
Yes, I'm going to marry this girl.
So therefore I'm bringing him her home for a holiday so you can meet her.
And I'm going through the, hi, this is my fiance, please approve.
Okay.
But yes, it's very clear that he recognizes the, I'm just gonna say it lightly, theunhealthiness and instability and absurdity of the relationship, not only that he has with
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the twin sister, but also the mother and the other brother, because they're clearly notwell either.
And he's clearly striving for normalcy, which is obvious.
And he at some point says that's why he went to New York.
Wild because he's marching this very normal girl into like this triangulation like aliteral triangulation of crossfire, right?
(06:54):
Because he's got yeah his weirdo horny brother Mm-hmm like and then the mother who is asyou find out as it goes along is Way more off her rocker than even the obvious than Jackie
some extent.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly Exactly.
I should mention that more.
This is Mark Waters debut.
He was an AFI student when he made this
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This is his directorial debut.
He eventually he goes on to do Freaky Friday and most famously Mean Girls He just didMother of the Bride But here's something fun his brother wrote Heathers Really?
Yeah, that is a fun piece of trivia Yeah, and Hudson Hawk and he had a hand in writingBatman Returns, but most importantly he wrote Heather's I love that Yeah, so it's kind of
(07:41):
all makes sense now doesn't it it does kind of all make sense.
So obviously this is an older brother
because how those came out in what, 89, 90?
I wouldn't say 89.
Yeah, that makes sense, yeah.
Yeah.
That was a wonderful movie too.
Yeah, it really was.
Fun fact, the high school in that movie is named after Paul Westerberg from TheReplacements.
Really?
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Probably my favorite band of all time.
Cool.
I had to, yeah.
Huh, I did not know that.
I know stuff, useless stuff.
You My brain is a junk drawer, Devin.
Just pulling out random trivia facts.
And sometimes a spool of yarn.
Yeah, exactly.
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Lusty scissors.
But yeah, mean, Genevieve Bouljold?
did we agree her we were going to call her?
think we said Bouljold.
Bouljold.
Right.
She's Canadian, but one would assume with the asante goo in her first name and Bijou?
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Cause I'm looking literally when they do like the translation thing, Genevieve Bijoux, Idon't know.
Bujo?
I don't see the E.
Yeah, I see Bujo.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, don't even know.
I'm so glad we don't have a comment section yet.
Me be Barbakid.
I know.
When we get a Discord, there's gonna be people waiting for us with pitchforks and torches.
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It's gonna And their malice.
Right?
It's gonna be so bad.
Unlike, unlike, unlike.
That's gonna be them.
But the other thing I love about her name though is she's clearly French Canadian.
Oh, okay.
Right?
Because she's Canadian, but it's a very French name.
Oh yeah, she's from Montreal, Quebec or Quebec or Quebec, depending on how you like to sayit.
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it's a tomato town.
Yeah, exactly.
But yeah, no, she is unbelievable in this film.
Well, first of all, when you walk into the house, the moment...
they get in the house, right?
There's a storm outside.
It's almost reminiscent of like a Rocky Horror situation, like the moment they get in, theson and his fiance walk in the house, they are clearly trapped in this hyper reality.
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Yes.
That's like reminiscent of like Clue or Murder by Numbers, right?
Because, I mean, we should also mention that this is based on a play by Wendy McCloud.
Yes.
So the dialogue.
reflects that immediately.
It's very musical.
There's not a pause.
It's just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
And it's one piece of shrapnel after the next.
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Yeah, yeah.
You feel, it's unusual, I think, that it's a movie, it's a film that's based on a play,and you feel that foundation, and you feel it in a good way.
Because like you said, the way the dialogue moves forward and everything, it's really welldone.
Because I think all too often you'll see a movie that's based on a play and you're like, Idon't know.
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It's okay.
It doesn't quite translate unless it's a musical.
Musicals always translate, but if it's just a play.
Do they what?
They always translate.
They always translate because they either translate beautifully or they translate like aflaming dumpster fire and either way they translate.
That is my point.
Or a foreign expletive.
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That's what they translate.
Exactly.
Exactly.
But this, you're right, that dialogue, you feel that stage dialogue, but you feel it in areally good way.
It's spectacular.
Yeah, and it just, you're catching, like, did they just say that?
And then the way they play off each other and the way it seemingly never ends.
I'm gonna play an example of this.
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Okay.
I think that it's important to establish that from the moment that the Tori's spellingcharacter, who her name is Leslie in the film, Leslie.
She's the fiance, the moment she walks in the door,
she's not welcome by anyone.
In fact, Genevieve Bluhold, Mrs.
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Piscow, at one point speaks to her alone, lets her sort of know that, he belongs to hissister in a way.
Which is so weird.
Yeah, yeah.
And then when she gets alone with her son,
She's like, why are you with this woman?
He's like, because I love her.
And she goes, well, do you love her for any particular reason?
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Which is great.
It's great.
Great for us as the audience.
Horrible for him.
Yes.
Yes.
What a horrible thing to say.
But check this clip out.
This is the moment when Ditsy Leslie, played by Tori Spelling, comes down the stairs.
Yes.
Now she's surrounded by her fiance.
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the brother Anthony, and the viper that is our Jackie O, played by Parker Posey.
Here we go.
my.
Good evening.
Good evening.
Is that an evening dress?
I don't know.
It certainly looks like an evening dress.
It's very pretty.
Well, I dress for dinner.
Would you like a glass of liqueur milk?
No, thank you.
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I'll just have a glass of wine.
What's the name of the wine?
I don't speak French.
Who does?
You do.
that's right.
I do.
So what does that mean?
In French?
I think it means something German.
It means loving mother's milk.
You speak French?
No, German.
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love you in sign language.
Let's Cool.
This light here, this is great.
Don't leave this girl alone with any handsome deaf mutes, Marty.
That's my advice to you.
So great.
Don't leave this woman alone with any handsome deaf mutes, Marty.
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That's my advice to you.
Yeah.
Great.
and the way the whole thing plays out and you realize the whole thing is going over overher head.
She doesn't know the name of the wine and then she's like, I don't speak French, but it'sclearly not French.
It's German.
And then the back and forth about the who speaks French.
You do.
right.
I do.
And the way she says that is so great.
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that is so good.
This was a period also where
Parker Posey, I don't know if you remember this, was like the queen of indie movies.
Yes.
When she did Party Girl, that was unreal.
She was just like indie royalty at this point for playing characters like this.
But this one is just incredible.
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Honestly, all of them are good, but in particular, the three ladies crush it.
They crush their roles.
Parker Posey is excitable and unhinged.
but making an effort to keep it together while at the same time being very mean under theguise of being lovely and nice.
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Yes.
And then Tori Spelling is also surprisingly good.
Because I just, I mean, I know it's a mean thing to say.
It's a mean thing to say, but I mean, we're coming off of 9-0, know, Beverly Hills9-0-2-1-0, right?
Well, I don't think it's a mean thing to say because of 9-0-2-1-0, but also her fatherpaid for this film.
I even know that.
He financed the whole thing.
Oh, let me tell you, I didn't know that.
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until I sat through the credits and saw that it was a spelling production and I was like,oh, that's how this got made.
Got it.
Right, right.
I'm going to play you something here really quick.
Okay.
Because can I put you down for enjoying the film?
Yes.
As we go along?
Yes.
Absolutely.
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Because Siskel and Ebert had a problem or five with it.
And I'm going to play this clip because even though they agree that they didn't like thefilm,
they spend more time praising Tori Spelling than they do Parker Posey, which is weirdbecause Tori Spelling was nominated for a Razzie for this movie.
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I don't think that makes sense.
mean.
No, but to hear them go on about it, you would think she was the lead, which shows you thepower of one Aaron Spelling, but watch this clip, because it looks like Siskel and Ebert.
We're about to kill each other over this movie.
Running through the film involves the sisters fascination with Jacqueline Kennedy andfamily secrets that their overnight guests can hardly even begin to suspect.
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Parker Posey is effective as the chatty, daffy, stay at home sister.
She won an award at the Sundance Film Festival for this film.
And Tori Spelling is very good as the visitor from the world of the normal.
And Tori Spelling is like electric.
Yeah, sure.
The other one won like an award or something.
Although that's the answer to why they dislike
it because she's a visitor from the world of the normal.
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Clearly they couldn't handle the content of the film and therefore all they can do is talkcrap about it.
Let's continue.
That observation is on point.
Because I didn't care for the picture and I think that the Jackie O.
Conceit frankly ruins the film.
It's what the film is about.
Roger, no it can be about something and not be good in this presentation.
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Cisco's gonna pull a gun.
bored me.
I thought it was clearly mannered and actually the Tory spelling
performance, you wouldn't expect given the reputation of posing What does that mean?
She's the one that I think makes the film come alive.
Oh, do you now?
Well, she's the one who represents our interests because she's the same person who getsinto this situation.
But I think you have to see that the director has the right to make one of the peopleobsessed with Jacqueline Kennedy.
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He does?
I mean, that's the whole premise.
But he makes it.
But Roger, that's not really new.
seems so mannered.
when I say not new, what I mean is using that character.
quite an argument.
like it.
Marilyn Monroe fix.
have you with people who thought they were Franklin is so much in the culture, Roger.
And Marilyn Monroe fixations.
kinds of things.
Pick some other character.
Frankly, it's tired.
pick Betty Crickman?
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And do it better.
You know what?
I'll see that picture first before I'll see this one again.
OK.
You didn't like it.
Let's get that on the record.
I didn't like it.
But I think that the objection is kind of
Strange coming up later
Neither of like it, but they're arguing about why they don't like it.
Right.
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my goodness.
then being hateful toward each other for their reasons of not liking it.
Yes, so weird.
And our disdain represented the entire spectrum of malice.
Also, did you also immediately feel you can tell the age of this film?
Because it was okay for them to say we really didn't like it because basically everybodywas mentally unwell except for, but we liked the girl who was fine.
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The girl who was clearly what we would consider normal.
We the one who wasn't neurodivergent.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
There's no way they could have made that argument today.
There's no way they could have made that argument.
Oh, man.
Ridiculous.
And also, why was he complaining about it being Jackie O?
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Why does that matter?
I feel like in his head, like he had that, like the Nighthawks painting in his head.
he was like, you know, you can't do the Marilyn Monroe, the James Dean.
And even though Jackie O's not in the painting, it is in his head.
Right.
Just doing people we know.
I mean.
I feel like the conceit of Spider-Man being able to spin webs.
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Right?
Exactly.
You know, like what?
You're going to complain about whoever they pick because the point of her character isthat she does have an unhealthy obsession with a famous individual in this case,
Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis.
So she has this weird obsession with her.
So it's going to be somebody famous.
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It's going to be somebody prominent in one way or another.
So I just feel like he would have just complained about it no matter what.
We should mention that her obsession seemingly began at a party when they were muchyounger.
Yes.
And the assassination itself had affected them really strongly.
You find out that the father disappeared, this part I didn't love, but it's like thefather disappeared that day, later you find out why, but also like at a party, she wears
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the famous pillbox hat, pink combination with the black piping.
You know the outfit, right?
So she glued macaroni to herself and drowned it in ketchup so it would look like brains,which is, you know, really good cosplay, especially in 1980s.
Oh, well this happened in the 70s then, if this is 1983.
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This is solid cosplay.
I mean, it really is.
Yeah.
Let's get into the Anthony character a little bit.
He's played by Freddie Prinze Jr.
And this is made the same year as he made, Know What You Did Last Summer, which is whatlaunched him into superstardom.
And what I like about this role in particular is, like you said, so I Know What You DidLast Summer launched him in superstardom.
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And he was very big in the 90s and the early 2000s, but it was always for those littlekind of teeny bopper rom-coms.
Yeah.
I was clearly quoting Uncle Ivan for using Teeny Bopper, just so you know.
feel like that's what You're like, oh, the Teeny Boppers.
The Teeny Boppers.
Right.
You know, the kids that kind of have pubic hair.
But maybe not.
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It depends.
You know, I'm not judging.
I'm just saying.
Yes.
Yes.
But that was what he was in, right?
Right.
Ultimately, he did, a few years later, did the Scooby-Doo movies.
He was actually a pretty delightful friend, but you know, Scooby-Doo movies, thelive-action ones, and She's All That, right?
Like those, and like you said, like those kinds of films.
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He's also Mr.
Sarah Michelle Geller.
He is.
He is also Mr.
Sarah Michelle Geller.
So yeah, he's dating Buffy at this point.
Yeah.
And unfun fact, both of their fathers committed suicide.
that is an unfun fact.
Fun fact, I met his mother one time.
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She was with my boss.
huh.
wow.
When I was a young lady working, I had a boss who was like best friends with his mother.
And she was cold.
She was very nice to me.
Yeah, I'd gotten tickets to take my boss to this political event.
We'll leave it there.
And she couldn't go and she was like, you should take my friend Kathy.
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And I was like, well, if she'd like to go, I'll be happy to take her.
And I literally took her to a political event.
Yep.
On the word of Ms.
Freddie Prince, I don't know her name.
What's her name?
Kathy Prince.
Kathy Prince, right?
Yeah.
No, she was, mean, she was, she was very nice to me, but I just remember thinking at thetime, this is super weird, but she wanted to go and I was trying to be nice to my boss.
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So I took her and.
And I was like, one point I'm driving my very, grandmother's old, um, gosh, I had mygrandmother's hand me down Pontiac Grand Dam.
That was a piece of garbage.
And I was driving.
How old were you here?
Uh, 22, 23.
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And you're driving like a Pontiac?
Like a Pontiac Grand Dam, like a 1993 Pontiac Grand Dam.
Like it was like old, it was piece of crap.
The family referred to it as poochy.
because it didn't have a lot of get up and go.
And I'm driving her and I'm like, I'm totally driving Buffy's mother-in-law in my crappycar.
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I don't know how this happened, but this is happening right now.
Yeah.
That's cool.
Such a weird random story.
We ran into Parker Posey at a John Cameron Mitchell gig.
Ooh.
Yeah, we were at a, it's a performance space called the Spiegel Tent in Bard.
John Cameron Mitchell was playing.
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was like this sort of, you in our table was right across from Parker and company.
So was, yeah, she was still like kind of holding court and just being awesome.
I love it.
So, you know, so it was really cool.
So let's yeah.
So we obviously we digress.
We must get back to Anthony.
So yeah, but he was this I loved because it was very different than all of the other roleshe was getting at that time.
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And he's quite good at it.
He is really good at it what he's playing is like the sort of like
weird little brother who drops out of college and he's sort of taking on a caretaker rolewhere Jackie's concerned, but he forgets Like he's kind of like a human betta fish.
Yes.
His mother asks him like, did you give her medication?
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He's like, I don't know.
Yes.
You know, like he doesn't remember anything, but as soon as he said, you know, like hesaid, this was their first visitor.
So as soon as this woman enters the house, he's like all over her.
just, can't leave her alone.
And it's really, really uncomfortable.
It's very uncomfortable.
But also it's exacerbated by the fact that Jackie's character quietly pulls him aside andis like, you know, Marty and Leslie aren't serious, right?
(24:47):
I know they say they're engaged, but I bet you have more in common with her and basicallytells them you need to try to tap that.
I mean, that's basically right.
What she does, which just then exacerbates the absurdity of his character anyway.
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of weird because around this point of the film, it sort ofstumbles a little bit.
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And it's because the whimsical music isn't as prominent as it is during the quippy parts,right?
Yep.
So we start to lose the hyper reality or the sort of clue atmosphere of it.
There's a great scene where Marty tries to play chopsticks with his bride-to-be on thepiano and it's excruciating.
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Yes.
Which is terrible.
Yes.
And then Jackie slides in and they play this incredible piece together and they're clearlyhaving a blast, right?
And it's this really strange, it's this sort of like, well, this is who he belongs with,twin sister.
Right.
So Tori goes upstairs, Leslie goes upstairs with Anthony, know, Anthony follows her.
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And after they confess to Anthony that they've been
having a relationship or they've always had this relationship, which I felt was kind ofunnecessary, like maybe Anthony should have already known.
Well, and I sort of gathered that he did know, but they never actually said anything, buthe was always suspicious.
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Yeah, yeah, that's true, because the mother knows too.
The mother knows too.
so it's like a thing that everybody knows, but nobody actually says out loud.
And also, that was the first moment where I wasn't sure that I fully believed Marty'scommitment
to quote unquote normalcy because he immediately, he and Jackie pile on Anthony.
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And he, know, when Anthony's like, don't, why did you tell me that?
Why did you tell me that?
And they're like, you knew.
And they give him such a hard time and they basically tease him.
And they're like, what are you talking about?
You knew this.
Well, this is the interesting part of the whole Thanksgiving part of the movie, right?
Which I'm not sure was like hit hard enough in the actual.
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composition of it, right?
Because this is the interesting thing about taking any fiance home to your family.
There's always a level of family dynamic that isn't like the outsider that you're bringingin, right?
And you sort of slide back into that dynamic to some extent, even though you have thecamera of your outsider on you.
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The moment that person leaves the room,
you fall victim to that dynamic and you've sort of become in that cycle.
Now the hyper-exaggeration of this madness that this family has is just makes that moreso.
And that I think is a very smart choice.
But in execution in the part of Anthony, where Anthony's concerned, like saying it to him,it kind of takes you out of it a little bit because I feel like there was certain subjects
(27:48):
where even that reality
You can't just gloss over that unless the normal character is over the top like SusanSarandon in Rocky Horror.
Do you know what I mean?
Yes, yeah, I see what you're saying.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
I would agree with that.
Yeah, like I'm not taking away from Tori Spelling's performance.
Also, I wasn't there when she was being directed.
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I don't know what the level of outrage should have been because what happens is she goesdownstairs and you see that the brother and sister not only are having
relations but they have a ritual that that revolves around reenacting the kennedyassassination which is so creepy you wanted to say hot you did want to say hot but like
(28:34):
but yeah it is really it's very it is very very odd and to say the least and then you knowof course because the incest of it all is is played to almost be erotic in the film which
is
again, takes us out of the whimsical sort of atmosphere of the beginning.
(28:54):
So it takes a turn where I feel like it kind of stumbles a little bit.
Like I've heard critics say like, well, it feels claustrophobic.
No, it didn't at first.
It's a big house.
Yeah, yeah.
It's that moment where it becomes real.
And I don't think Leslie's character reacts to it appropriately.
(29:14):
Yes, I would agree with that.
I would agree with that.
And also the way she finds out, because Anthony has said, I have a thing I have to tellyou.
This is what it is.
And she's like, I got to go talk to Marty, like you said.
And of course, the power's gone out because of the storm that's happening.
(29:36):
so Marty and Jackie O don't see that Leslie's literally walked in.
also,
Did Leslie walk in soon enough to see the shot?
Because that's the other part of it that was super just, you know, she's firing a real gunwith blanks at him.
because they're re-enacting clearly the assassination.
(29:59):
And then immediately- of the foreplay of it all.
Which is part of the foreplay, which is so disturbing.
I arguably more disturbing than the incest and the incest is super disturbing.
Because it's always disturbing, right?
but then here you have this extra element where you're like, I don't know what I'm moreoffended by right now.
(30:20):
You know, you're like, I'm very offended.
The idea of shooting blanks at one another.
Yes.
Or And pretending to murder somebody and then having sex or the fact that, I don't know,yeah.
I mean, you're just like, there's too much happening.
You clearly never dated a goth.
No, I have never dated a goth.
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But yes, Leslie walks in and sees this.
And weirdly, you're right.
She doesn't have the right reaction because she doesn't, she doesn't stop it.
She doesn't bust in and say, WTF, what nonsense is this?
You know, there's no version of I will, you know, she doesn't Wayne Brady.
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I will choke a bitch.
Right.
Cause I mean, I feel like she should just run in and be like, Jackie.
And, know, I will choke a bitch.
Right.
She doesn't, she turns around and runs back up and decides to get it on with Anthony.
Yeah, that's that's and it's not in that again at that hyper reality you could have youcould have Carried that a little bit right because you had this storm, right?
(31:23):
Right, which was supposed to keep her in the house.
Yeah, right But then Anthony's really creepy and smothering to begin with yes that had tobe musical That's really delicate and it stumbles right there.
You're just kind of like yeah It was so much fun.
I guess I'll go with it, but it's not done.
Well
Right.
You know, did you find yourself, cause I know I did at that moment going, how did thiswork on the stage?
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Every time.
Yes.
Cause it had to, it was probably a lot more fun.
You would think so.
In that moment.
Yeah.
And, and this film, and I don't say that as in, cause the film's not actually reallygraphic at all.
mean, everything's fairly low key.
The things that you do see are extremely minimal.
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so that's not quite how I mean that, but somehow you wonder, you know, still the structureof that on stage.
I wonder how that played out.
I think also the pacing and it might've been a failure in the edit, you know, like ourbrains were still processing the slow motion cut of the wave that, Marty is doing is Jack
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Kennedy and it is.
Wow.
It is like that wave and that scene and the way that plays out is it really holds you fora minute.
And then we immediately go back upstairs right after Parker Posey puts her brother insideof her.
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Right.
Exactly.
Yes.
We're still processing that.
Right.
And so is Tori's spelling, which makes everything that happens after upstairs.
very, very awkward for the audience.
Right, very awkward, very awkward.
And the awkwardness is added because we realize once Leslie and Anthony are fully gettingit on, mom walks into the doorway and is like, now I have my excuse to toss this gal out
(33:29):
in the morning.
Yeah.
And like, again, no fuss, no muss, doesn't say anything, it's just like,
Good job, Anthony.
This is all I needed.
I just needed a little fodder to get her out of the house in the morning.
It's so weird.
And it to that creepiness.
At the end, of course, it all comes to a head, as you can imagine.
(33:50):
I don't want to give too much of that away.
But, you know, Leslie does find herself running out of the house at the end.
you know, and we'll get there in the next segment.
But I think it was now is a good time to actually bring up the next segment.
OK.
You know why?
Because it's America's new favorite segment, Devon!
(34:13):
And I of course mean, how do we franchise this comma baby?
Now this is the segment where we discuss how we're going to make a lot of money remakingand or sequel-izing this piece of studio property as it were.
(34:34):
Well clearly we are not sequeling because there's no sequel to this.
There's nothing that happens other than maybe another psychiatric hospital and cops and acourt case.
There's nothing else that's gonna happen.
Yeah.
The police are coming.
The police are coming.
There's no way the police aren't coming.
(34:54):
some of the things you find out later, they're bringing a dig team with them.
exactly.
They're definitely bringing a dig team.
Yeah.
So look, when I mentioned earlier that there's a stumble in there, like that should notprevent you from seeing this.
This is a pretty fun not at It is.
But I think I figured this out because and it's funny because I was watching, do you knowCoralie Fargeet is director?
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She just did a film called The Substance with Demi Moore.
Oh yes, I know that movie.
She's in the body horror genre.
This film is, I don't know.
I didn't see The Revenge, the film before that.
So I watched a making of The Substance, And just listening to her, how she budgets certainthings.
She had a Hollywood scene, but she filmed it in France.
(35:41):
So she's like, I just needed a shot of a palm tree and I'm fine.
And then they showed the shot and I'm like, that's all she freaking needed.
Because she wanted to spend money on
This other, you like the models and the blood and all this.
And I'm like, she did that movie for 17 five.
What really?
And I bring that up because I think not only are going to remake the house of yes, butwe're going to make it a musical.
(36:04):
Yes.
Thank you.
And I think that this musical, because you said it yourself, musicals always translate.
Musicals always translate.
So what we'll do is we will turn this into a musical.
Okay.
But with practical sets, like the whiz or like grease or like, like we're on locations andsets, it isn't going to be wicked.
(36:30):
It's not going to be, they're not going to be standing in front of like a Harry Potterscreensaver.
No, no.
And singing nonsense.
Yup.
You know, so this is the idea.
Although I'm going to alter it a little bit.
Okay.
So we're never going to see the actual incest.
Okay.
We're going to know.
But we don't need to see it.
Because I want to compete with whatever bullshit Wicked inspires by the time we get tofilming.
(36:54):
yeah, yeah.
Yes.
Once we enter that like hyper reality of a musical, we get away with murder.
then we get away with incest.
Right.
Yes, we do.
So let's go over who we think we should cast and we'll take votes on each one.
OK.
OK.
Who plays Marty?
Who plays Marty?
Marty's got to be.
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OK.
Part of my, I'm not gonna lie.
I wanna cast people like my own age because that's, because of the way this film is,that's like where my head goes.
I gotta keep, I gotta think about younger people.
so I feel like we need some 20 somethings.
Yeah, you're like 20, right?
Oh, you.
I'm just saying, we both know I'm We both moisturize, sure.
(37:37):
We do moisturize.
Okay, so some- a vengeance.
I don't know who I want as Marty.
He's gotta be somebody a little doofy.
If that's the right word.
had Andrew Garfield.
that'd be good.
yeah.
like Andrew Garfield.
in Tick Tick Boom as well.
So he has the musical chops.
yeah.
(37:58):
I was considering all things.
Okay, you are considering all things.
Okay.
So are we good with Andrew Garfield?
We're good with Andrew Garfield.
I like Andrew Garfield as Marty.
Yep.
I like that a lot.
let's immediately cast Jackie.
Okay, so who is a young person that sings that can pull off cuckoo?
(38:20):
Does Florence Pugh sing?
Also, there's makeup we can, you know.
true.
Does Florence Pugh sing at all?
that's a good question.
Because I feel like- Can we get her?
I mean, we're 17'5".
Okay.
Pugh is all the rage right now.
I mean, she is all the...
got a Marvel thing, she's got a Dune 3.
But we're also remaking the House of Yes as a musical, which is, you know, so...
(38:44):
she wouldn't say no to that.
She'd probably cut, cut...
Give me half of what I make for that.
I know, she's gonna give us a deal.
She's gonna give us a deal.
I would at least audition Chaperone.
Oh, yes, okay.
If you're Chaperone, and I don't want to stereotype pop star-lits.
Yeah.
She does do offbeat...
things she does, you know, she's a champion of like the LGBT community.
(39:10):
I don't think she has any qualms about out, like just totally Trumping Madonna.
Right.
Yes.
So she might want to bite into this just for that.
Right.
So I want to see her audition roll.
If not, I'd have to go Kristen Bell.
okay.
And Kristen Bell also moisturizes.
(39:31):
bit older.
But would, should.
That's important by the way.
yeah, could do it.
Moisturize guys.
Yeah, she would be good too.
She'd be good too.
I don't know if her Disney contract would allow it, I don't know.
She seems like a lady who has control over her own destiny.
I have to imagine she'd be like, you know what Disney, I need to be allowed to do thethings I want to do.
(39:52):
And I'm clearly going to play a girl.
so.
right?
You think so.
I think she kill this role.
think she would do a great job.
could handle the.
Because there is a back and forth.
It's that complete mental instability, but being able to snap back to pretending you'refine.
Because Parker Posey did that beautifully.
(40:14):
Yeah.
Where she would just be like, yes.
Sorry, mother.
I'm fine.
Could you make me coffee?
Thank you, mama.
Like, way she'd go back and forth.
I think we see if Chapel Road can do it because I think there's like- We at least look ather audition tape.
at least look at her audition tape, but I would say Kristen Bell is probably pretty darnsolid for that.
(40:38):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's good.
All right.
you on a roll.
I like it.
two.
Who do you have for Leslie?
Well- Or Roger Ebert would say, who is our pathway to normalcy?
Who is our pathway to normalcy?
Well, now I feel like my choice doesn't work because I really thought Zendaya would bedelightful.
But I don't think it works now.
(40:59):
I don't think it works for Kristen Bell and Andrew Garfield.
Do we know if Zendaya could sing?
Yeah, she can sing.
Didn't she sing And putting her in everything.
Well, didn't she, wasn't she on that TV?
We don't, the world does.
She's talented as one.
I don't know, you can't not look at her and she seems delightful.
(41:21):
What's that?
I mean, I think she's wonderful, but she's in everything.
Okay, fine.
Well, who did you have?
I had Abby Elliot from The Bear.
She played Sugar.
Yeah, yeah, no, I know who that is.
Yeah, but I don't know again.
I don't know what her musical ability is.
Yeah, I don't.
Yeah, it's that's a tough one.
(41:43):
That's a tough one.
I want to go a little bit more milk toast.
Yes, I want to go a bit more milk toast.
Who could that be though?
Natalie Portman.
So I got 17.5.
We only have 17.
Yeah, we only have 75.
OK, OK, I think I might have to come back to Leslie, but I know who I want is Anthony.
(42:04):
good, because I have my Anthony's blank.
Okay, Ansel El Gort from Tokyo Vice and he was in the remake of West Side Story.
He was Tony.
Okay, so we know he can sing.
know he can sing great.
But also he's I mean, milk toast is a good description.
Or as Uncle Mark says, oatmeal face, just bland and there.
(42:31):
Just sort of bland in That's something I wish we could get on the show, but it would nevercome on in million years.
my God, you're absolutely right.
yeah.
He'll listen to this and be horrified we mentioned him.
Yeah, that's true.
Like, he'll cover his shoulders with his proverbial blanket.
Yes he will.
And be like, no.
You said my name.
(42:54):
It's true.
Listeners, we are not exaggerating.
Mark.
He's our favorite human.
Yeah, we love him so much.
My Mrs.
Pescal is, I think I got an ace in my deck.
who do you got?
No, no, you just tell me.
Because if you got an ace, let's just do it.
Hannah Waddingham from Ted Lasso.
That would be amazing.
she'd be so I don't know if she can do an American accent, but.
(43:17):
she definitely can.
Yeah, she would nail this.
She would be killer.
She would run away with this.
Kristen Bell and all.
Right?
The right amount of posh appropriateness, but subtle insanity.
and singing on top of And a voice like an angel.
(43:38):
yeah.
Doesn't matter who I was thinking.
She's the winner.
She's the winner.
OK, so basically, we just need Leslie.
Like you said, milk toast, very, very innocent.
but also she's gotta be able to play.
We need white meat, we need white meat.
Yeah, yeah.
(43:58):
Wait, that was Leslie?
Again, I had Abby Elliot, I think she checks all those boxes.
You think she checks all those boxes?
Yeah, I just don't know about her musical talent.
I think she could play, I mean, I don't think she's that person, but I think she couldplay that person.
You think so?
Well, I think her musical talent is probably fine, because wasn't she part of the singinggroups on Saturday Night Live every time they did the Sisters singing group?
(44:21):
You know, and I'm do nice.
Yeah.
She was when they first started it.
I'm pretty sure she was one of the sisters.
So I'm pretty confident she can sing.
So, okay.
Well then we'll lock her in.
We'll lock her in.
Okay.
You know, look, if you're an agent, if you're like a vicious agent, like, you know, giveus headshot, like, you know, like make your case, you know, for young board, like we're
(44:47):
open to debuts.
Cause I feel like Leslie's a very important role.
She's an extremely important role.
Actually, debut might be, that might be appropriate.
We could be breaking the next Olivia Newton, John.
We could, we absolutely could.
I like this idea.
I think that's got a real possibility to it.
the power we would have.
(45:08):
Yes, we'll take a chance on us, we'll take a chance on you.
So your director my director director.
Okay.
Well, I went two routes I went you went John Waters I Mean he crossed my mind.
I'm not going to lie.
He crossed my mind.
No, I went Kennedy film and I was like maybe we just go Oliver Stone and just be like
(45:35):
No, because you know what?
He would imply some conspiracy theory in our musical and it would have nothing to do.
It would be like, don't get the shot.
Like it'd be like some sneaky.
I thought it would be kind of funny.
I don't know.
I thought it was funny.
I'm not risking 17.5 on that guy.
(45:57):
Rob Marshall was somebody else I had in mind.
we got to go full musical then we got to do go with somebody who can handle a musical.
And he did Chicago.
Yeah, he did a fantastic job on Chicago.
Or do we need somebody who can tone it down more?
Yeah, see, I wasn't thinking musical at all, believe it or not.
was thinking of tone.
(46:17):
OK, I was thinking of a maestro of the material.
OK.
How to handle that material.
Jordan Peele.
that's OK.
Yeah, I mean, there's no argument.
We got the bag and bag and bag.
But again, we're making an amazing film.
(46:40):
House of Yes as a musical.
So nobody's gonna say no to that.
Before I tell you who the composer should be.
Okay.
I'm gonna tell you about my ending, my alternate ending.
you have an alternate ending, okay.
Yes, because Leslie running out of the house, I was inspired by that magic.
(47:00):
Instead of cutting to old home movies or that mess, right?
Leslie runs out of the house.
We never learn about the father.
I think we could get rid of that.
I think that also that just it's too neat and boring.
Like, you know, that that's the reason for their trauma.
know the mother kills the father.
(47:22):
Boring, right?
Yeah.
OK.
I think.
What happens is, is that Leslie runs out of the house and.
She's screaming down the street.
She might even just run into a neighbor's house and you see like a turkey dinner on thetable, because it is Thanksgiving Day.
Right, it is.
(47:43):
But that dinner table is surrounded by bunk beds and people covered in blankets, excepttheir sneakers are sticking out because they're dressed like the Heaven's Gate cult.
What?
Right?
Yes.
Yes.
And then she runs out of that house screaming and she sees a couple walking their dog andshe's like, help me, help me.
My fiance has just been shot by a sister and she grabs their outfits, she's screaming andcrying and she notices they're wearing the space suits from the space shuttle Challenger.
(48:15):
So as you're pulling out of this cul-de-sac, what you're learning is that everyonecelebrating this holiday in this neighborhood has fetishized some big American trauma.
What?
Credits.
And then big musical number, which could be appropriate or just a cover of Grease as we gotogether because we're already here.
(48:39):
Because we're already there.
wow.
That's my ending.
That's quite an ending.
That is quite an ending.
Yeah.
Wow.
OK.
So that's the ending I would insist on had I be if I were to produce such magic.
Yeah.
Wow.
Wow.
I did not see that coming.
I did not see that coming.
(49:01):
Before I tell you who I would get to score it, I'll tell you who I wouldn't get to scoreit.
Lin-Manuel Miranda.
Because there is no room for his gobbly gooky MC Hammer rap nonsense.
No, there is not.
Not in this musical, bud.
Not in this musical.
At no point is he going to be like, you know, you do what they want to do, say what theywant to say.
(49:27):
No.
No time for that.
Lin-Manuel Miranda.
Sorry, man.
I would like to volunteer as tribute to compose this myself.
In fact, I went as far as to make a demo.
Let me play the scene out for you.
Yeah.
(49:47):
Yeah.
Because I was inspired, to say the least.
OK.
So Jackie's looking for her hairbrush.
Remember that scene?
Yeah.
Where's the hairbrush?
And Anthony starts dropping facts about Marty's visit.
And she's like, how do you know?
And he's like, well, he called and he called and said he was bringing a friend and itsounded like it was going to be a female.
(50:10):
this, remember that scene, she to sort of break down, but in the film, it's not allowed tobreathe.
Whereas like the song should go in stages of her like curiosity to anger, to maybeplotting the death of the person before she even sees who it is.
So I'm going to play us out with the song that I wrote.
(50:34):
And also it foreshadows the things we're going to learn in vaguely.
And the song is called The Pillbox Crown and written by yours truly for an imaginary Houseof Yas musical.
I'm so excited to hear this.
That being said, join us next week.
We're going to cover The American Friend starring Dennis Hopper and my favorite actor ofall time, Bruno Gantz.
(50:59):
Yep.
Yeah, he's up there.
He's in the definitely top three.
directed by Vim Vendor, shot by Robbie Mueller.
You'll see next week.
It's wonderful.
we'll see next week.
But here is our song for our musical.
Yes.
Eat My Crust, Lin-Manuel Miranda.
(51:19):
We're your studio property.
I'm Doug.
I'm Devin.
And C.
I wonder what she's like.
I bet she has long hair And a beauty mark I hope is cancer I'll take my pillbox crown downfrom the Crock-Pot shell And let this simple bitch know what she got is mine I am your hot
(51:48):
pink angel of death who's gonna take your case Gonna make you realize Just before you die
She'll never take the First Lady's place
(52:09):
Never take the first lady's praise
Spillway Street!
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