January 7, 2025 • 67 mins
We lost David Bowie nine years ago on January 10th - although, the world didn’t know it until the following morning. That was a hard day. I remember feeling kind of numb, while reading the deluge of little eulogies in the form of celebrity tweets that featured a rote parade of words like, “legend,” “innovator,” and “genius” etc. These were largely written by a contemporary crop of artists who, frankly, owed Bowie more than words like “legend, “innovator” and “genius” etc. But I’ll never forget the one that broke me. It was the tweet that could’ve only been written by someone who had an accurate inventory of what Bowie’s work meant to other creatives, and also understood his international place in our pop culture.
It feels like we lost something elemental, as if an entire color is gone.
- Carrie Brownstein
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Anyway, this is an episode about the movie, The Man Who Fell To Earth and it was intentionally produced to be released right before the anniversary of David Bowie’s birthday/death. I could write a verbose paragraph on what his music meant to me personally or how it helped shape my world view – yadda yadda but that would bore even me and only undermine the points of the episode itself, which are:
1.) We are talking about a movie/not it’s star
2.) We really are just despicable whores.
We also introduce a bitchin’ segment called, Let’s Franchise This Comma Baby! The premise being, when we’re about done yammering about the movie, we decide how to either remake it, or eek out a sequel.
Here are some notes about the flick I rooked from Wikipedia
The Man Who Fell to Earth is a 1976 British science fantasy drama film[4] directed by Nicolas Roeg and adapted by Paul Mayersberg.[5] Based on Walter Tevis's 1963 novel of the same name, the film follows an extraterrestrial named Thomas Jerome Newton (David Bowie) who crash-lands on Earth seeking a way to ship water to his planet, which is suffering from a severe d
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You're listening to Radio Free Reinkliffe.
Welcome to Studio Property, a cinema podcast for people like you.
I'm Doug Wartell.
I'm Devin Irby.
And this week we're discussing The Man Who Fell to Earth circa 1976.
And we're also joined by one Cody Ramone who returns again.
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Yay!
Thanks for having me back.
And who directed this film, Cody?
It's Nicholas Rogue who directed The Man Who Fell to Earth.
And it stars David Bowie.
The most glorious of David Bowie.
I was going to say...
Does anybody else in it matter?
Candy Clark.
Candy Clark.
Rip Torn.
very good Rip Torn.
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Buck Henry.
Screenwriter of The Graduate.
Amazing comedian.
Hosted SNL how many times?
A lot of times.
We should also acknowledge that this is coming out on David Bowie's birthday.
No it's not.
It's coming out the day before David Bowie's birthday.
Oh the day before.
Yes the day before.
Oh okay.
Well then you have a day to...
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to figure out how you're going to listen to Black Star.
That's right.
Like, are you going to stream it?
Yeah.
Are you going to get are you going to get it on vinyl that day?
Is this the is this the year you get it or are you going to wait for the 10 yearanniversary?
These are all not to stress anybody out, but these are all the things that need to crossyour mind.
You listen to this podcast and then you go out immediately while you're digesting.
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You buy the vinyl of Black Star and then.
Listen to it on his birthday.
I'm just gonna say right now you're not gonna find a first issue for under 75 bucks.
I think that's okay though.
You can get subsequent issues if you're just gonna listen to it and enjoy it.
I mean, that's true.
Well, The Man Who Fell to Earth is a classic tale of a stranger crash landing on a planetwith an embarrassment of natural resources, but only one brand of gin.
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The film itself is a little E.T., but also a little bit Zardoz.
It is reminiscent of Starman, both film and song, but unfortunately, it is alsoreminiscent of a recently released congressional ethics report.
It is a little bit masterpiece and a little bit trash.
But no matter the measure, what is unarguably captured is the performance of an artist soclearly at the peak of his expensive coke habit.
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Join us Earthlings as we examine the man who fell to earth, Devon.
Hit it.
So much cocaine.
Put that prop gun down.
back the canisters you stole.
The devil laughed out loud when you signed away your rotten soul.
That studio property, your studio property.
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Shut your mouth or you'll never work in Hollywood again.
I'll be honest, I am drinking gin right now in celebration of the movie.
did not do many, many grams of cocaine beforehand.
Is it Beefeater gin?
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Because that's the only gin that exists in the Man Who Felt Her.
It is not because Beefeater does not come into my house.
Well, also, did anybody else also wonder about that?
I was like, was this just pure product placement?
Because if I would be...
It clearly was, yeah.
But if I was Beefeater Jim, I...
No, that I would want product placement for a movie about Did you say if you were BeefEater Jim, like he's a person?
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If I Beef Eater Jim, I would not do that.
No, that was just my If I was James W.
Beef Eater.
No, that was just my standard inability to speak clearly.
If I was Beef Eater Jim, if I would be executives at Beef Eater Jim.
I would be concerned about doing product placement and movie that's literally about a guythat drinks so much.
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He basically destroys his family.
But it's 1976.
So, right.
So that's commonplace.
Those are the course to 1976.
You don't even have to be an alien.
Yeah, 1976 was so bad.
We were bad influence on outer space.
We ruined their lives too.
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In terms of alcoholism.
Even in film in that era, this is pretty light, strangely, even though, even though hecan't complete this mission to save his planet, it's still relatively light.
think that's it.
I think it is the story of an alien that comes to get some resources back to his planetand is like just ruined by earth.
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Earth just ruins him.
There's the prerequisite sort of like alien story where of course our government gets ahold of, that's like.
almost the end of the movie, but by then, like he's not even worth cutting.
They're just trying to decide.
They're like, are you actually an alien or just some wino with a lot of money?
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Everyone kind of gets ruined in the process.
It's like, it's a big car crash.
Yeah.
Of experiences.
the only one that doesn't, I wouldn't say gets ruined is Dr.
Bryce, Rick Torrance character.
Yeah.
We're both like, we're all thinking the same thing.
Yeah, yeah, so I'm gonna be you want to get this part out of the way real quick.
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so gross.
Yeah, I'll be honest.
I watched this movie this today this morning And I didn't need to see ripped horns wienerat 10 a.m But I did yeah, and it was kind of like meme as wieners go It was flaccid.
Yeah and kind of
It was disappointing.
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can say disappointing.
Disappointing.
Yeah.
It was the thing that should not be.
Yeah.
It was so unnecessary.
What we're describing is a montage of a, he's a teacher, like a science teacher, at thispoint, sleeping with his students who are very much, 18 years old.
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It said 18 anyway, we're hoping that there was some.
standards and practices on that right because these women looked very very young yeah,they did yeah, they yeah, well, and it just seems so Unnecessary to the storyline like
yes.
Why did we have to know that?
He was a womanizer.
I didn't understand why we needed to know I did I think I think the point of it from whatI gathered because when he leaves the University and goes and gets the job with you know
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world enterprises corporation
Sorry, mega corporation.
He says in his voiceover that he like doesn't even like womanize or anything.
Like he's just focused on like science.
So I think like his higher thinking is being utilized more to actually improve humanity asit were.
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left to his own devices when he's not stimulated by this, by his work and his studies, hejust starts a conveyor belt of 18 year olds.
that he sort of wrestles with.
It's like they're, it's a.
It's so uncomfortable.
Right.
It's weird.
It's uncomfortable.
And like, and how it's shot is really gratuitous.
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Unnecessarily gratuitous.
feel like any gratuity in a French film feels like there was a reason for it to be there.
And somehow it's always rather beautiful in whatever way.
they, even they are decent enough to glaze the lens.
Right, right.
Give them that Marlena Dietrich, I rubbed some, smeared some Vaseline on it.
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Yeah.
But as you say, yeah, ripped horns, flaccid penis was a thing I never needed to see.
No, that was the hock to a girl of what you just described earlier.
It's so funny too, because in his performance overall, he has a really, like hisperformance is great.
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And he really.
understated and does an excellent job, but those bits are just like, Whoa.
it's, what's really strange is there's a, there's a scene later in the film that we'll doa deep dive on that could have been, Oh, I'll just get there.
There is the scene where David Bowie reveals himself to the woman who he has fallen inlove with vice versa in his fashion.
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And after her initial breakdown,
She still tries to negotiate with what she has to work with.
even like receiving this new data that the student is an alien here.
I'll show you the clip real quick.
We'll get into this a little bit.
There's a music is a little funky for the scene.
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It's kind of distracted.
But my point is that like rip the ripped torn scene kind of like undermines the scene.
so here's the reveal when she finds out he's an alien.
great and no warning nothing not like hey babe you gotta be prepared he's like
Cha cha!
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Hey girl!
What's the matter?
What's the matter?
It's the Glass Spider Tour!
So check it out.
It's a few minutes later, he's laying in bed not having reacted to her reaction, and she'sgonna try to have sex with him anyway, but try to ignore the music.
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I'm in heaven!
Sorry.
What is that sludge?
I'm gonna slime you in the night!
Do you think that was the cream of wheat product placement?
Yeah.
Yep.
No, but like she's trying to negotiate with his body anyway, which is kind of a beautifulidea.
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That movement sounds like Purple Rain, but that slime is disconcerting and I guess this islike what coitus is on their planet.
I'm hung like a bobby doll.
It's a lipstick applicator down there.
Like a dog got.
Sorry.
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got carried away.
But yeah, but.
But like it's a beautiful scene.
Yeah, like and there's a lot of great ideas in this movie like that one that are just sortof thrown out and not cohesively sewn together.
That's a wonderful idea.
She discovers that he's an alien, but loves him so much she's going to she's going to giveit a whirl.
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You know?
You're not wrong.
Yeah, you know.
That's totally true.
Although it's like when you say it's not well woven together, like she gets terrified ofhim being a hairless dragon man, alien, and then.
And he literally does have like a Barbie mound.
yeah, yeah.
In the movie you do see his business as well, his human business, but his alien businessis just like this sort of, you know.
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Like a, like a doll.
immediately went to weird Barbie talking about Ken and the Barbie movie when she's, Iwonder what kind of a hunk of molded plastic he's got under those shorts or whatever she
says.
That's exactly what it made me think of.
it's what's wild about that is that like later on when the scientists get him, he's likein his human get up again and they managed to get down to business again.
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But now she's, she's having sex with his costume essentially.
Right?
Like, yeah.
Basically.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's one of those things I even put it like in my notes.
Like there's, there's movies in the seventies and eighties where it's really nice.
The ambiguity and the, the lack of, of description and exposition they give you.
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I like that.
They let you just catch up.
They respect the audience to just be like, they'll get here.
But then sometimes you're like, I'm just missing parts.
Like where are we at?
And now they're like, does this.
How does this weird human disguise work that I don't need like a detailed technicaldrawing, but like, it just a costume?
he like, what are we doing?
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Right.
Cause we were aware that clearly, his planet has a lot of technology.
So a little info.
So we're just meant to believe, well, they made him functional human parts.
He's humanoid.
made him functional human parts, but I agree with you, Cody.
Yeah.
I don't necessarily want everything spoon fed to me, but sometimes you need a tiny bit.
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this really, other than Rip Torn's weird out of nowhere voiceover, his little weird bit ofnarration, which was- That happened a couple of times with her as well, I believe.
With Mary Lou also.
not often.
wasn't like a standard thing.
just happened a couple of times.
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But this scene is such a great idea.
in a freaking weird convoluted movie.
And what is that soundtrack?
And it speaks to something Cody and I were talking about earlier.
Like the person who did the soundtrack was John Phillips, whose personal life looked a lotlike Bryce's in the beginning of this movie.
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But worse, way, way, worse.
But let's not think about it.
But he did the soundtrack of this movie, but we was supposed to, but got busy.
Right?
Was it busy?
I heard that he had some sort of contract troubles.
There was something.
Yeah.
It was like his record company or something.
Yeah.
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But also he produced two pieces of music and the director rejected them outright and theyend up on station to station low, which is immediately after this film.
Right?
So he's in this film, he's coming off of young Americans.
Right?
So he's like back and forth on the young Americans tour.
wrapping up doing this film and then he's about to go record Station Station and thatpiece, I think the instrumental piece ends up on either this one or Lobe, like one piece
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of music ends up on each of those two records.
which is, know, those records are very confusing in a way because like he uses images fromthis movie for those covers of those, of those two albums.
I was just going to say, yeah.
Why?
Were you just, you hated shooting album covers?
Like you just, oh, well, it looked good.
in this movie I made last year.
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Yeah, just pick another stone from that movie I did.
mean, I'm to be honest.
If I looked like David Bowie in this movie and there was a bunch of pictures of me, I'dprobably be like, just use these.
That's true.
Use them for the rest of my career.
Go ahead.
Use them forever.
And he clearly has the young Americans hair.
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Yeah.
What we were talking about the soundtrack, John Phillips soundtrack.
How would you describe it, Cody?
It's kind of like a ball peen hammer to the temple a lot of the time.
It's a lot.
And here's the soundtrack.
If you just hear the soundtrack, there's some great music in it.
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There's some interesting needle drops and things like that that are cool, but it is notwoven together.
Again, this is probably the through line of this movie.
It is not woven together well.
No, like here's an example that Cody sent this over and I was laughing because it's likewe call we have dubbed this scene jump scare bluegrass.
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I'm concerned about the recovery program.
be.
Don't be.
Mr.
Newton, are you crazy?
What?
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Sorry, I punched my microphone.
Did you punch your microphone?
Yes, because I was like, just because I was laughing so hard.
I literally pushed my microphone and knocked a drink over.
think that's the most effective, like music because of like just it's ridiculous, but it'sjust like.
But it's not even on a comedy beat.
It's a driving montage.
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He's going from like dialogue in the back of a car and he's like, OK, OK, let's do a wideat the top of the car.
And then immediately this bluegrass shenanigan.
It's crazy.
Like, I can't even.
Like, as soon as you said that to me, I was rolling.
Yeah, that's one time I laughed.
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I really laughed out loud when I was just sitting here.
I was just like, what is what's going on?
And again, there's so many great ideas in this movie that just get insulted by momentslike that one.
Yeah.
As soon as that music started, I was like, Duke's a hazard.
And then I immediately thought something exciting or funny was going to happen.
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I was waiting for a car to jump something or something.
to pause and be like, I hope the law don't get them Duke boys.
I was waiting for something like that.
And that's not what happened.
It's just a minute of bluegrass and wide shots of landscape.
Yes.
Them driving.
That's it.
The alien didn't know Enos was right on his tail.
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Yugi Yugi.
What the hell?
my God.
But yeah, John Phillips is a mess.
like Nicholas Rogue and John Phillips never had a conversation.
Yes.
I like there wasn't a script, because there's no space anything in the sound.
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Like nothing.
Oh, there's one.
There's just the Mars movement of that classical piece about the nine planets.
Oh, okay.
Right.
It's used everywhere all the time.
Everyone's heard it.
That's the only space in quotes.
Right, but that's the stock music, because some of it's stock.
Like a lot of it, he composed it, what he didn't compose, he just took stock music,because one interesting thing, he only had like three weeks or something.
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So bizarre.
Because he thought Bowie was doing it.
And then that wasn't happening, so he called John Phillips.
The other thing I want to know is, John Phillips do the whale song?
Because every time they'd go to his home planet,
It only sounded like whale song to me.
Hold on.
Do I have it here?
Let me see if I have that here.
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Yeah, is this the song?
It's part of it.
Yeah, it's gonna sound like Yes, it kind of sounds like whale singing But there's a coupleother There's a couple other points where you hear it a little more, but yeah, it sounds
like whale singing What family outing like what vacation have you ever been on whereyou're the only person coming off of any tram?
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Like his is the only family that exists on their home.
I know it's a stupid detail to point out, but I was annoyed.
I was annoyed.
I noted that as the, the Mossie TP alien train.
Yeah.
Which by the way is like, is just like spray painted mud on a truck that's being pulled.
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Yeah.
It looks like an OG Dr.
Who villain.
Yeah.
It does.
that was one of those moments where I was like,
This thing can't go into outer space.
It's an Adobe mud hut situation, but they're trying to convince us that it's going to godown that track and it's the lifeboat that's going to send them to earth.
And it's on a tram.
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Right.
Where's it flying to?
It's flying.
It's going to zoom him to get him to earth.
Cause I assumed it was taking him into the city to go on the rocket.
He was like, I assumed it was the F train.
Is that not you?
That looks a lot like the green line here.
I'm just saying.
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There's no other commuter on it.
But the book, you know, because this is based on a book, right?
Which is 13 years prior to the making of the film.
And it's described as he gets sent to earth on a lifeboat because their ships, that's whytheir people can't come to earth is because their ships are all old and unfunctional.
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So they send him to earth on a lifeboat.
So my assumption was the little tram thing was so he could get enough speed so it could,the little lifeboat could shoot him in his face.
You know what guys, we're getting a call.
on minute.
Let's see.
Yeah.
Let's see what this is here.
Hello, studio property.
Yes.
Am I on pod show?
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Yeah, you're calling into a Radio Free Reinkliff.
Yes.
Is this Devon and Doosh?
Yes, I'm Devon.
And yeah, that's douche.
Oh, douche.
It's great.
Great to be on the show.
Thank you.
I've been called worse.
Call it what's your name?
sounds like the who called him.
(21:41):
Mikhail.
Mikhail.
Mikhail, really quick.
Where are you from?
I'm from one of the stands, main Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan.
Don't ask questions.
OK, one of the stands.
Excellent.
I mean, you can only hear us in the Rheinbeck area.
Right.
So I'm sorry.
live in the time back, but yes, I'm from one of the stands.
I just don't like to say for obvious reasons.
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I mean, get it.
Understood.
We live in weird times.
Do you know this?
We live in very weird times.
I'd like to reveal where I'm from.
Why do I need this information?
I just had the quick question for you guys.
Very excited to be on.
Of course.
We're happy.
What's your question?
You saw it was listening first time listener and they hear.
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You guys speaking to a man named Nail.
Do you remember Nail?
yeah.
He, yes.
He called me when we talking to Nail.
Well, I assume he means Neil who called when we were talking about some like a hot, ofcourse.
Absolutely.
that was just last week.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We spoke to Neil.
Yeah.
Yes.
I have, I have an awkward question for you.
(22:45):
We don't know each other well, but it's hard for me to say.
All right.
So, so Nail, he's my ex-husband.
and now you and I built great life together.
However, I have custody of all of our children and now you has not paid me in six months.
Now I know this is not something for pod show to get involved with.
(23:08):
You guys talk about the movie cinemas.
Me, I look for help and the help I need is maybe you got some personal identifiableinformation from now you like his mobile telephone or perhaps his street address.
I need to get money back from now you.
He's just not paying.
have so many small kids.
Hold on.
(23:28):
me start.
know what, Neil?
Neil, yeah, Neil, let me.
Yes, I do.
I have one child.
Get your names right.
is right.
Oh, Michail.
Sorry.
It's all well, I'm very stressed out right now because we don't have a call screener.
First of all, secondly, this conversation has really nothing to do with what we're talkingabout.
He's asking personal information.
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could contribute.
You want me to contribute?
I'm rather quick on my feet.
Well, if you were listening, you knew we were talking about a David Bowie film called TheWho to The Man from Space, the Alien, it's funny, yes, I know.
So you saw The Man Who Fell to Earth?
Douj, I was not born yesterday.
Of course I saw The Man from Earth.
(24:10):
like The Man Who Fell to Earth.
English broken sometimes, you understand.
of course, of course.
Yeah, Ryan Beck is suddenly Brighton Beach.
I totally understand.
What did you think of the film?
Why did I think of film?
I don't know.
I most people talk about how he's an alien pretending to be a human, but in real life hewas the reverse.
Like everybody talks about this, like the study joke, but the reality is, I struggle tosay this out loud, but here goes.
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The way I would frame it is that the man who fell to earth, well, it's often calledincomprehensible.
I don't think that's fair.
Listen, the film was about the alien who comes to earth.
build spacecraft, gets rich, becomes an alcoholic and ends up living in luxury hotel whilehis alien wife and children die on his home planet.
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You know, classic immigrant story.
I don't know why people don't like it.
Well, I mean, you nailed it.
I can't argue with that.
I did a little show podcasting myself a few years ago.
really?
about?
It was about Niel.
It was about the end of our marriage.
You did a podcast about the end of your marriage?
(25:23):
Listen, so the stranger things have happened, no?
Is it still available?
Because I kind of want to subscribe to it.
Yeah, too.
The lawyers made us take us down during mediation.
It was upsetting.
Let's get back to the point.
Will you give me Nail's mobile phone and or personal identifiable information?
Maybe you'll have his last four digits of social.
(25:46):
I don't have his.
down with last four.
Okay, well, I assume because you were married, might even know his last four or certainlyhave access to it, but I stole all the interest.
I tried to not remember many things about now.
You don't mean I didn't want to remember his birthday.
Didn't want to remember the day we got married.
I just, I feel about now.
(26:06):
So, you know, I just don't want to know anything about him.
I forget.
So that's why I it from you.
Doge and Devon.
Am I saying your name right Devon?
It's Devon, but I do not mind the way you're saying it.
We also have Cody.
Cody Ramon is here as well this week.
did not realize Cody was here.
Hello, Cody.
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I don't know.
I'm a man that can find things.
I think I can help you, Mikhail.
this is the man.
Why was I even talking to Douj?
Yeah, Douj can help you.
I can help you.
I know people.
connected.
I could say this.
know what?
How about this?
about this?
The information I can give you has already been available.
It's already out.
(26:49):
We said it on the show.
Neil works at the performing arts center in Rhinebeck.
Nights.
He's usually there later.
I have to internet.
They sent me stop doing that.
How many times do I have to tell you stop keeping the other children?
I'm so sorry, Doosh.
so there was my son.
(27:10):
He's violent.
Sometimes I have this why we need, that's why we need our money.
We need to get him the counseling.
He's so desperate needs.
Of I perfectly understand.
know, broken homes are hard on children, but.
Indeed they are.
Did you try the Performing Arts Center?
Did you know that Neil worked there?
We talked about it last week.
Yes, I knew that.
(27:31):
I don't have courage to be there in person.
I need to do this.
I think the word is clandestine.
Well, I get you can reach the Performing Arts Center and Rheinbeck.
By the way, there's a performance of Shrek happening there.
that sounds lovely.
It does.
You could take the kids.
Yeah, you could take the kids.
(27:51):
Is this live action, Shrek?
is this is you say live action?
Yes, it's performance at theater performance.
Yes, Sam would love that.
He likes the donkey.
And afterwards, Neil's troop goes on after I believe the actual way he has.
He way you said troop with this troop.
He's got military force.
I asked the same question.
(28:12):
Yeah, no, it's not that.
I'm so glad I wasn't being racist last week.
I thought I was racist asking that question.
Thank you.
Yeah.
No, it was his theater troupe, his all female theater troupe performs there after theactual Rheinbeck performing arts troupe were performed.
So yeah, they're performing Shrek until I think January 12th, right?
(28:34):
And you can reach the Rheinbeck performing arts center by calling 845-876-
3-0, 8-0.
All right, I will give them a call.
I'm sure Nae will You don't tell Neil, I'm talking to the audience.
I am part of the audience, douche.
I mean, it's a start, Mikhail.
(28:55):
I mean, it gets you on the right path, right?
My goodness, how many kids do you have?
It's just three boys.
three boys is a lot though.
Yes, are 16, seven, and four.
I raised them all myself.
I make all the clothes.
It was hard.
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I'm a seamstress by trade, but Nail, he was supposed to be the breadwinner andseamstresses don't pay bills like it used to be.
In old country, I could run it for just one dress.
I made one dress and I own half the capital.
I mean, I get that.
The conversion rate and inflation did not work so well then.
Although, you know, people are getting back to specialty made items, I feel like if youreally wanted to, you'd have a real shot at getting yourself going.
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feel like you'd have an incredible Etsy page at the very least.
Oh my goodness, yes.
what is Etsy?
Devon, is it?
Etsy?
Devon, could you be consultant for me?
Will you be my consultant to build Etsy store and empire?
You know what?
Yeah, absolutely, Mikhail.
I love kids and I can't help but my heart is just...
Just being pulled three ways for your three children.
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So absolutely I could.
Yeah, for sure.
and Cody have good heart.
Douj is questionable at best.
well, that's not anything we don't already know.
boy.
Listen, how about if Neil calls back, do you have contact information for us to give tohim?
Yes, I'm happy to give it to you offline so that the peoples cannot contact me unless youwould like me to make things based on my seamstress abilities.
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And therefore, please give out my information when appropriate.
about this?
How about this?
How about if you agree not to commit any violence, especially on the property of theRheinbeck Performing Arts Center, I will be more than happy than to plug your coming Etsy
page once it's up and running.
I find this to be a reasonable offer.
(30:51):
To be fair, Dush, I would never do anything violent.
Violence is not a solution to nothing.
I just, need, I need money.
need money.
As you hear that naive.
is the dead beat.
think is the word.
That's what it's, what it sounds like.
Yeah.
Unfortunately.
you're promoting dead beat that military troop, which I'm not saying is bad.
(31:11):
I'm just saying you're promoting it.
I wanted you to know who you're promoting.
Right now.
Well, I appreciate that.
And more you know, of me as a live Yelp review and you know, you've got two stars rightnow.
Oh, you personally, the show maybe three, three and a half.
I have to listen to more episodes.
I'm not sure.
Yeah.
Well, we'd love to have you listen to more.
Okay.
Not the first time I've been told that my personal Yelp rating is two and a half stars.
(31:34):
Frankly, you're being generous, but I appreciate it.
And thank you for calling.
You're quite welcome.
Yes, thank you.
Nice evening.
Devin, a pleasure.
Cody, you're a good man.
Maybe we never speak again.
Thanks for calling.
Bye, Mikael.
I don't know if what we did is correct.
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I don't know.
I mean, I gave the information out last week.
I don't know.
I thought Neil sounded nice last week, but now I, you know, they got three kids and Mikaelneeds his alimony, man.
I don't know.
I'm just, yeah.
I mean, it's all very, well, I wasn't trying to take sides, but you know, kids wereinvolved.
You know how my heart.
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just jumps out to kids.
The biggest surprise of that whole phone call was not only did Mikhail see the movie, heunderstood what it was about.
And I would even say like probably agreed with our take on it as well.
Yes.
Yeah.
I think that I think on that like track of like the, the message of the movie is onething, the execution of the movie.
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This is
you the year before Star Wars comes out and kind of realigns and is like, Hey, you know,you can make science fiction.
That's not cheesy or, porn or almost porn or bananas.
Like, yeah, that's another thing we didn't stress enough is this, this movie is almostporn.
Yes, it is.
It is.
There's a lot.
I mean, we made a lot of ripped torn penis jokes earlier, but there's a lot of nakedpeople in this movie.
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there's just a button on that.
I think this is one the confusing things about the movie why it's a little hard to followthe dude who's
basically, I think set up the hit on Farnsworth.
The big black guy.
Yeah.
There's a scene with him and his wife where he just comes out of the pool stark naked.
(33:29):
yeah.
For no apparent reason.
What's his name?
He was, he's in a lot of things.
Revenge of the nerds.
that's right.
But you're right.
Bernie Casey.
Yeah.
He's in a, Bernie Casey's in a lot of things.
He's an excellent actor too, by the way.
Like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He just gets out of the pool completely naked greets his wife completely.
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Who's completely naked.
Yeah.
And it's 1976 naked.
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Sorry about that, Deb.
Nope, that's okay.
I'm sorry that I couldn't keep it together.
my goodness.
yeah.
No, what I want to point out too is you're right, that whole scene with him and his wife,it's so weirdly pornographic and then immediately goes into a scene of them tucking their
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children into bed.
Right.
The only thing that could have made that better is bluegrass.
It would not be unexpected.
would back by then in the movie.
By that point in the movie, it would be welcome.
Right?
Yeah.
man.
Yeah.
But right now it's time for a brand new segment that I am really God excited about.
(35:06):
It is called Let's franchise it, baby.
So first and foremost, OK, we've seen the film.
Do we want to write a sequel or do a remake?
What is the vote?
Remake.
There's three of us, so we do have a, yeah.
I vote we're unanimous.
(35:27):
Yeah, I vote remake as well.
Yeah.
Okay, who directs it?
Who's on our short list?
I was thinking the Dune guy.
Denny Villeneuve?
Yes, Denny Villeneuve.
that's a good choice.
She's coming out swinging, Doug.
That's a good choice.
(35:48):
I have a t-shirt that just says directed by Denny Villeneuve.
yeah.
No, I have it.
I have that shirt.
You need to wear it.
I co-sign that, Dev.
That's a good one.
Thank you.
That's really good.
We're unanimous on that too.
Excellent.
Well, my thought was he knows sci-fi.
We know he can do top-notch sci-fi.
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Complicated sci-fi.
Complicated sci-fi, which I feel like that's what this movie is.
It is complicated sci-fi.
When you think about the piece of crap Blade Runner 2049 could have been under anyoneelse's watch.
He's probably the only choice to Yeah, that's great choice.
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It'll just be like a rival.
Right.
Cause let's be honest, we went the J.J.
Abrams route, all it would be would be lens flares and stupid shit.
It would be what we got.
So we also have to approach Duncan Jones and Amon as an homage to David Bowie.
(36:53):
Use some of the deep cuts from that period to recontextualize them.
Okay, okay.
Honestly, I'll give up as a, if Denis Villeneuve is busy, I feel like Duncan Jones is agood second choice, because he's a pretty solid director and he's made some, a couple of
really good.
Moon was fantastic.
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Moon was amazing.
So as a second.
I like this idea.
Yeah.
Maybe we just assume that he's somewhere on the crew anyway.
If Denny Villeneuve isn't too busy and he can direct our.
How much of a budget do we have for this?
We can't go crazy.
I hate to be that guy, but.
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I think I'm going like 50, 50 million.
Okay.
think that's reasonable.
don't want to go overboard.
Yeah.
We don't want this to be a big CGI fest.
No.
Yeah.
Cause honestly it really doesn't need CGI if it's done properly.
Yeah.
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Cause the right?
The stuff on earth doesn't need CGI and the stuff on, by the way, this reminds me, I don'tthink they ever said the name of the planet in the original movie, it's Althea?
Althea?
Athena?
like that.
Athneia?
Something like that.
Yeah, I mean, of course we're gonna have to like, we're gonna have to rework thescreenplay.
(38:19):
Maybe use elements in the book that weren't used the first time.
Yes, thank you.
You know?
Shed some light on some places.
Is it a going home story or is it the same sort of, he's poisoned by us?
I like Which is like the reverse Superman.
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I like, you know what mean?
Yeah.
And also,
You know, the other interesting element of the book versus the movie that I think shouldbe used, which actually disappointed me, it wasn't used the first time, is so the idea was
he was going to send water to their planet.
In the book, he's trying to get actual ships that can get to his planet to bring everybodywho's remaining back to Earth because their planet is no longer viable.
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So there is sort of a, like you said, it's not a homecoming per se, but it kind of isbecause the whole point is that
he's supposed to get everything, get himself together here so he can bring them here.
The other thing about the book is, remember, nobody knows he's an alien except for acouple of people, and that holds true in the book.
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And so even when the government figures out that he's an alien, it's not as though itbecomes widespread and they still, government intervenes, jacks everything up.
And that whole thing, this is the other thing that disappointed me in the original, thewhole thing about where they do the x-rays of his eyes and they up his eyes.
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He needs his fancy alien eyes to be able to navigate however they built the spaceships.
So he cannot go get them.
And the last thing he does is send them a message.
like in this, in that version where they have like the record and he's like, well, causemy hope is they'll hear it at some point.
Literally the book does end with he can't get them.
(40:09):
So he is completely not only did we destroy him.
because nobody hears Bowie's version of automatic for the people.
That's all I thought of when I saw that cover.
was like, that's the cover of automatic for the people.
Like, yeah.
So basically it ends kind I mean, so in that aspect, it does sort of end the same in thathe fails at his mission.
(40:33):
So in the book, he fails at the mission.
And he does, so we can avoid that.
So we can avoid those sociopolitical.
don't think we need it to be that dour, but like, you need a little like a twinkle ofhope.
Okay, so I'll give you the twinkle of hope.
Let's change the ending of Mary Lou and Bryce to be, let's give them a good ending.
(40:55):
Whereas like the other one, all the characters end with like a longing or a pining.
Let's give them an arc where they get to move on.
Okay.
And not just a marriage, nothing that wrote just like, and they don't win the lottery, butlike, you know, something good happens to them.
a little bit of joy.
Like they're actually happy together.
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Okay.
Yeah.
And maybe Bryce is still working like on things.
He's a smart guy.
Maybe he's still pushing.
Are we going to do social comment?
Like, we going to make him who we think he is already in the movie?
I mean,
congressional beavis and butthead.
(41:36):
Yeah.
You know, no, I was thinking more like Bryce is like an Elon sort of figure.
But is Bryce Elon or is Newton Elon?
Elon wishes.
Yeah.
mean, Elon does wish he was David Bowie.
Yeah.
But I mean, ultimately, I mean, I guess I'd be more Denny's choice.
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That's true.
We'll leave that up to Danny.
That is, yeah.
Yeah, we'll leave that up him.
But the only negative about the remake will be that it'll just that whole sequence of, youknow, Newton being like, here's my big spaceship.
Check it out.
People are going to be like, we've seen this like four times in the last five years.
(42:22):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Maybe we go with like, I mean, not the frickin' Moss Tram that they had.
in the original, but maybe we go with some sort of organic looking thing.
Oh, that'd be cool.
You know, Oh, I do like that.
Moss production is I'm not going to get in their business.
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It's a mossy TP alien tram was what I had.
Yeah.
You know, it was literally spray painted yellow, right?
You could see that unfortunately.
That's the sad part about the, uh, the criterion versions in that sense.
It's so
high quality that you can see it.
The 4K revealed how, yeah.
(43:03):
It's not great.
I mean, it's great to see.
It's also not great to see.
Yeah.
Do you remember the first generation Blu-rays, how awful they looked?
Yes.
I remember going into a Best Buy and they were trying to sell you on these players andthese TVs and they had one of the Batman movies and it was like Batman Begins.
(43:27):
Right.
And but he's in the Batmobile for the first time.
He's rolling is like a helicopter light.
And it looked like a camcorder had shot it.
It looked like it was homemade footage from somebody who was on the set.
And I mentioned that because 4K, although does get us really, really quick, like it looksso much better than the sample rate on those early, you know, yeah, blue rays are awful
(43:52):
because everybody goes back to laser disc.
Right.
It's almost a nostalgia thing where he's like,
Laser discs were amazing.
Blue rays were not like, let's never go back to that for any reason.
even had to like put a, like certain TVs had settings to like the cinema setting and allit was was just a tint to mask all the things that the blue ray was making garbage.
(44:16):
There's somebody that will tweet out before the holidays of it'll just say the brand of TVand what the setting is to turn off.
Cause you're going to be like your parents has like if they have a Sony turn off this, ifthey have a Panasonic turn off, it's just a list of things like, here's what to turn off
kids and just gives you a guy.
(44:37):
That's great.
That's amazing.
All Do we want to try to say it at the same time?
Because Devin is probably going to beat us to this because her choices have been allstellar so far.
Who's your lead actor?
Do you have them in your head?
I do.
I don't actually.
It's going to be very telling and I don't think we're going to be on the same page Doug.
(44:58):
What's that?
Oh no, I'm not going to say Matt Dillon.
I'm not going to.
I picked any.
You guys pick the lead.
You ready to go one, two, three?
Sure.
One.
Oh yeah, I gotta remember his name.
Oh no, because I didn't want to say.
Okay.
I gotta count and remember his name at the same time.
One, two, three.
Driver.
Harry Styles.
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You went musician.
I did.
Devin, you decide is it going to be Harry Styles or is it going to be Adam Driver?
That's a good choice, though.
I'm not mad at your choice.
Harry Styles is a great actor, too, though.
He's he's he's proven he could act.
I feel like under any other circumstances, I would say Adam Driver.
But this Harry Styles is it I guess.
(45:42):
Hear me out, though.
Isn't that an interpolation of the movie we saw, though?
Like, isn't that?
So are you suggesting that Adam Driver will bring something new?
well just as a box glance you're kind of like oh they just replaced Bowie with a musicianwith a sample of Bowie.
Yes.
He already has songs that intentionally sound like Bowie.
Right.
True.
a little bit of it but also just that like just how at the time Bowie looked like helooked alien because he looked so perfect.
(46:13):
And so like.
Right.
Like he looked.
out of place because he looked so strange and like a perf, like a perfected way down tolike his clothes, his hair, his like everything about him was like this weird, like he
doesn't look quite right.
Cause he looks out of place cause he's an alien.
(46:35):
That's where I was going.
I agree.
I understand that.
But I think Adam driver could do it too.
Like I'm not actually, like, that's not a bad, that's my only contention.
to Harry Styles is to me that'd be like casting Vanilla Ice in a movie that FreddieMercury did.
A little bit of it, yeah.
(46:57):
You know what I little bit of it.
I'm only saying that also because of Harry Styles, like other, he's done movies.
Right.
Yeah.
And he's had some interesting I mean, technically Vanilla Ice did a movie too.
Which I think, I think Candy Clark was in that movie.
What?
In Cool as Ice?
I think so.
got to look that shit up right now.
(47:17):
Somebody was in, I saw that when I was researching.
Okay.
Please confirm.
Okay.
So Wild Dog is confirming that.
Yeah, this is something because of it.
I mean, you both, you, you named two people that absolutely would be brilliant.
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Candy Clark was in Cool as Ice.
I'm looking at it.
that's funny.
man.
man.
Naomi Campbell was in it too.
And one can only hope she hit vanilla ice with her phone.
I hope they're hiding a lot anyway.
Could be worse, she could have been in Body Rock with Lorenzo Llamas.
(48:03):
Also shop a Robbie Mueller.
Okay.
You're welcome.
Okay.
Go ahead.
That's no.
Shout out to my film student friends.
Sorry, could we stray from lead actor and go to crew and who's going to shoot this thing?
Cause I think I know Doug's answer.
he died.
died.
Robbie Mueller died.
(48:26):
Who's the heir apparent to Robbie Mueller in your opinion then?
good question.
I don't know.
There is one who paints that intentionally with light that I've seen, that I've seen, thatI'm aware of.
Right?
But if we're talking about going into New Mexico, Roger Deakins is the only choice.
That's my choice too.
(48:49):
No argument there.
We might have to...
raise some more money for this movie.
We might have to raise more money for this.
Or somehow convince them that this is a film that needs to be remade and they need to workwithin our budget because they're the only people who will be able to do it right.
They might.
I mean, I wonder if they'd say yes to that.
(49:10):
Which actually, before we go to the rest of the cast and crew, I want to rewind a littlebit.
I think you guys just answered another question, which is I think we obviously have tokeep this in New Mexico.
Yeah.
Cause that was the other element I was going to mention is I don't know if you guysrealize this, but in the book he lands in Kentucky.
That's the book's problem.
(49:31):
Yeah.
New Mexico is his choice.
It's the deal.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
That's the place to be.
So, okay.
So we're keeping it in New Mexico.
Okay.
Yeah.
So we're keeping it New Mexico.
We got Denis Villeneuve.
We've got Roger Deakins.
We're very happy.
I do feel like we need to discuss like art direction and or
costuming because you have to admit like both Mary Lou and Tommy's Tommy Newton's outfitsare I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna tell you they're beautiful so everybody else is just par
(50:09):
for the course because of the time but the two of them need to look magnificent yeah acouple that were the production designer and scout
and the costume designer.
Are they still alive?
Oh, May Ralph.
And the production design was Brian Eatwell.
Well, I kind of want to, I think we should hire them again.
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do you think they would say- passed away.
there goes that.
Brian Eatwell passed away as well.
crap.
All right.
So let me see.
I mean, you could go full fifth element and get Jean Paul Gaultier.
Right, we can get like a fashion designer if we...
Is Jean-Paul Gaultier still allowed or is he somebody...
(50:54):
Because Karl Lagerfeld is no longer allowed.
Is Jean-Paul Gaultier...
Is he still already agreed to a 50 million dollar budget.
I just got to keep reminding...
I mean, there's literally a person that does this job that I'm saying, so I don't feellike I'm talking out of...
Alright, you're right.
So that's why I don't want to go with like a big designer.
Like, I would rather...
How about the gal who did...
(51:19):
Mad Max Fury Road.
I believe she won an Oscar.
Or do we think she'd be too, hold on.
That might be too much.
Beavan.
Maybe what?
Yes.
Has she won more than once or has she been nominated again?
Because I feel like.
(51:40):
Yeah, she, We're making a lot of choices by the way.
Like we got a guy who shot the desert.
perfectly in Sicario.
And we're getting at the costumer who knows how to make sci-fi look great in a desert.
No, but these are, I think this keeps us within the 50.
I feel like we're making some, Harry Styles might be our only risk.
(52:05):
You know what?
In which case, maybe we do go Harry Styles because we need to take that risk.
Because if we're being safe everywhere else.
she's won three Oscars.
Okay.
See, I'm not.
What are the other things she's won Oscars for?
A Room with a View and Cruella.
well The costume of Cruella was fun.
No, the costume was, I saw that, the live action Cruella?
(52:27):
Yeah.
She can, oh, well It was very trashy and punky.
It was Okay, tell me her name one more time.
Jenny Beavan.
Jenny Beavan, all right, well feel like Jenny Beavan's handling our costumes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, think Jenny Beavan's handling our costumes.
Who is our female lead?
And why is it?
(52:48):
Why is it Alana Hame?
Yeah.
Definitely Alana Hame.
actually think it.
Yeah.
I'm actually on board with that.
Yeah.
Alana Hame.
Alana Hame.
Okay.
I actually have an answer for this.
By the way, audience, we, we, that's usually my answer in private conversation.
That's my answer for everything because she is my female, Matt Dillon.
So I stick her in everything that I would, that Matt Dillon is too old to play, which iswhy we need an over the edge remake with Alana Hame.
(53:16):
Okay.
So the reason Alana Haim works is she starts out, because remember her character is fromOklahoma, right?
And she goes to New Mexico or whatever when she's 16.
The whole thing about her is that there is this lovely innocence, the way she dresses, hermakeup, all that kind of stuff.
(53:37):
And then as she's pulled into this weirdly glamorous, decadent world,
she still maintains a certain level of that for a very long time.
one of the first scenes where she and Tommy are living together, the way they do hermakeup, she looks like she's trying to be a 16 year old who is trying on her mother's
(54:01):
clothes and makeup.
And I think Alana Haim could do that.
I think she could do that lovely.
Agreed.
Well, here's the thing.
A lot of the videos that Paul Thomas Anderson has directed,
for Hame, right?
She already looks like the tough girl from 1976, right?
That's why she's so perfect in a licorice pizza, right?
(54:25):
Yeah, I thought that's a natural fit.
And also, she's playing opposite, either way, she plays opposite Adam Driver or HarryStyles, it works either way.
A lot of Hame, can age up or down.
Yes, you definitely could.
Which obviously is part of the character too.
she's got to be able to age quite a bit.
(54:46):
Yeah.
So really all we're missing is Nathan Bryce, our, what is he?
He's some sort of chemist or fuel rocket, fuel expert, professor dude.
And our Buck Henry guy.
need our Buck Henry.
Oliver Farnsworth.
Yeah, I think that is harder.
(55:08):
That is harder.
I feel like Paul Giamatti for one of those.
he, I think that's the rip.
I think that's ripped horn.
I think Paul G.
Paul G.
Amati definitely, especially cause I feel like our remake removes a lot of that.
Cause we've already discussed it.
We're going to condense.
(55:28):
don't agree.
You don't agree.
okay.
I don't agree because you need to, he needs to age up significantly and needs to startcloser to where a lot of names starts.
Dang it.
Okay.
maybe we spend the money and get Adam Driver here.
yeah.
(55:50):
that's good.
Go cheap on the Buck Henry character.
Okay.
He's only in it here and there.
That's true.
You know, like, it's got to be like, the phone most of the time, but he's also a care,whoever Buck Henry is, has got to be like a nice character.
I mean, well, in fact we got stop calling him Buck Henry.
He's Oliver Farnsworth.
But he gets the same sweatsuit.
(56:10):
That's, I'm going to insist as the producer that he stays in that.
Also the glasses, the glasses have to stay because that's such a brilliant element.
And I do, that's not in the book.
Cause actually that's the other fascinating thing is the Oliver Farnsworth character isn'treally in the book, but I think you keep him.
(56:30):
Cause I like, I like his element.
like what he brings.
He brings a cohesiveness to the reality of the story.
Right.
agree.
I agree.
Patent attorney getting our, our Tommy Newton, his money.
His that's going to be a really tricky for Denny to pace out too, because it's theoriginal.
He's like, you know, Oh, you got nine patents here in the next day.
(56:53):
He's a millionaire.
Yes.
Right.
And coat and has swallowed Kodak into the umbrella of this poorly named, lazily namedcorporation.
Yeah.
vision of plasma part of ComEd.com.
Yeah.
Right
I think somebody we can go really cute here also because Buck Henry is almost a cutechoice in context of then.
(57:22):
Yeah.
Right.
Actually is Paul Giamatti too expensive as Oliver Farnsworth?
Cause I could totally see him in the glasses and being pretty adorable.
Or do we think we need, we still need somebody younger?
I don't think, I don't think it's necessary.
But Paul Giamatti, I think we're spending too much money if we.
Spending too much money, okay.
(57:43):
Yeah, I mean, think we get like a TV person.
Oh.
You know?
Somebody.
Or even give a comedian a shot at that role.
Like, let's go Jim Gaffigan.
Oh, that's good.
Oh, I like that.
Yeah, just like, give him a quirky, like, you know, if you give him an opportunity to dosomething odd without having to go full Robin Williams, we pay him half the Giamatti
(58:06):
salary because we blew our, you know.
I do have to ask though, do we think Jim Gaffigan will take half the money of PaulGiamatti?
Do we think so?
He doesn't know how much we were going to pay Paul Giamatti.
All right, that's fair.
That's fair.
You're not wrong.
You're not wrong.
This is new podcast called Contract Negotiations.
(58:29):
I that's good.
like Jim Gaffigan.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
So let's recap a little bit and see where we are.
Cause I think we've got most of it knocked out.
Okay.
Yeah.
One, we're keeping New Mexico as our location, both where we're gonna film and thelocation for the plot itself.
(58:51):
Yes.
We are asking Denis Villeneuve to be, Villeneuve, I'm sorry, I have no French accent, beour director.
Villeneuve.
Villeneuve.
Denis Villeneuve.
To be our director.
It's fun to say, if you say a bunch of times, it's really fun.
And then.
Duncan Jones has to be an AD, like first AD or something.
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We need him in there somewhere.
He's not gonna take the first AD job.
Okay, well you know what mean, but like maybe he produces?
Do you think he'll produce?
Executive?
I mean, he's gotta consult on something, because we're also screwing around with hisfather's legacy.
Right.
So maybe, yeah, executive producer's not bad.
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Right.
Or we stay, we keep, you know, we stay in touch.
We get the music rights.
Yes.
Cause like, knows what he'll want.
Cause he'll have his own, like you know, creative people.
We're trying to run a business here.
I mean, I get, okay, fine.
I get it.
I get it.
All right, fine.
Okay.
So we're there.
producer on this, on this version.
You are that producer on this version.
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Okay.
Good butts in seats, Right.
Harry Styles.
I like it.
I like it.
I like it.
Okay.
Our cinematographer is Roger Deakins.
getting us back on track here.
Jenny Beaven is our costume designer.
choice.
Right?
And our main four characters are Harry Styles as Thomas Jerome Newton.
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Adam Driver is going to be Nathan Bryce.
We're throwing in some Jim Gaffigan as our adorable Olive Farnsworth, and we're keepingthe glasses.
And then Alana Haim is going to be Mary Lou.
I feel like my question now is the big one for Doug.
Yes.
Who scores this movie?
Oh, does music.
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Mark Mothersbaugh.
He's done.
He has a lot of experience and he's scored everything.
He scored what we do in the shadows.
He scored all the Thor movies.
He scored like his list of things that he scores now are just endless.
Okay.
Mark Mothersbaugh.
Yeah.
Mark Mothersbaugh?
From Devo.
Yeah, he's a singer from Devo.
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Okay.
Well, sorry.
We're literally remaking, we're remaking a film.
So I clearly have to take notes on who we've selected.
So that's why I'm asking.
Don't act like I'm- of $50 million.
you know.
Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm just saying.
I got to make sure that I've got this Devin's taking notes so he can reach out to theirrepresentation.
(01:01:24):
Darn right I am.
Who's doing craft services?
And also in real life, if anybody knew Devon, this would be broken down to the scent rightnow.
You don't even know listeners.
You're right.
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There would be a graph.
There would be a pie chart.
You know what type A personality is her just like type infinity symbol.
It's type whatever the prints call themselves.
Look, it was that.
my God.
That is exactly what I am.
No joke.
Yup.
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Okay.
Now I have one other significant question.
Yes.
Is there any, are there any major plot changes other than what we mentioned already?
We're getting rid of, well, we're getting rid of the, the ripped torn thing.
Yeah.
We're getting rid of ripped torns backstory.
I'm going to insist.
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on the love scene where she tries to negotiate with whatever business that is, but thatbusiness is up to the director what it actually looks like or how it functions, right?
But I'm gonna insist that that love scene be kept, because that's a wonderful moment,right?
If that's the only one, then that will really So it'll hit harder.
(01:02:50):
Yes, it'll hit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they don't necessarily have to be completely naked, whatever it is, however he wants.
That's up to Denny, but that scene has to, you know.
that moment needs to be in there.
I don't think you need to change the overarching plot of the movie.
You just need to clean it up to make sense of it and make sure it flows together reallywell.
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Well, what we had talked about before about, like more of that, we're not trying to shipwater to you.
We're trying to get you here.
Trying to you here.
That's more interesting.
Yeah.
mission is clear out of the gate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The mission being clear out of the gate.
Yes.
Thank I'd like to keep the 76 Lincoln limousine with the giant antenna on it, even thoughit takes place in 2025.
(01:03:41):
Absolutely.
I do want to know, are we keeping the weird pioneer now that you've described itaccurately to me?
Are we keeping the pioneer time travel thing?
Again, that's probably a...
Screenwriter, Denis decision.
Okay.
Fine.
Yeah.
Anybody can make it work.
Yeah.
Right.
I mean, I can only like lean in on the big moments, right?
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Like as a producer, I'm probably going to lean in on that and make a suggestion that someof the subtext, like maybe the Mary Lou character does demonstrate a lot of false
eyelashes, false fingernails.
So in a lot of scenes where she's applying and reapplying those things to give her aparallel.
to the alien.
(01:04:27):
and actual a little bit more, like when I was talking about before, the X-rays fuse thosecontacts to his eyes and know, like that whole, like a better explanation of that.
Yeah, just like a slightly better explanation of certain things.
And what gin do we want to get for product placement?
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Gin.
I mean, I think we go, can we go...
Let's go Hendrix or something.
Let's go like.
Bless.
Yeah.
Hendrix is good.
Well, I guess.
I don't drink.
I'm allergic to gin.
makes me like a big dick.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
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Well, I think that sums up our remake of the man who fell to earth coming in 2026.
Honestly.
Oh, we're shooting right away.
So right now we're not even storyboarding.
No, no.
We're just getting right into it.
Yeah.
I mean, cause that's what you do.
You just get a camera and go to New Mexico.
We got to do it before dune three.
So we got to get in there.
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Obviously.
Yeah.
He could definitely make this before dune three.
For sure.
Well, this is the remake we're making.
I hope you close your eyes and see it in your brain and enjoy it.
And what are we doing next week, Devin?
What movie are we talking about next week?
We've decided to jump into the 90s and we're doing House of Yes.
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Oh, about time that.
The 90s, I'm quite excited.
Yes, starring Tori Spelling and Parker Posey.
And I'll say I'm so excited.
Two great tastes and one candy bar.
Yeah, I mean, you'll be very surprised by Tori Spelling's performance, because you'venever seen it, Deb.
(01:06:15):
I have not seen it.
This is on my list of have not scenes and I'm quite excited about it.
I'm just going to tell you in advance, you're welcome.
Thank you.
So join us next week for the House of Yes.
We're your studio property.
Oh, I got to come up with a catchphrase, don't I?
Oh, you do.
Yeah, it's your turn.
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All right.
So I'm Doug Wartell.
I'm Devin Irby.
I'm Cody Ramon and, don't yell fire in a crowded theater.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Closer.
Better not.
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Spareway Street!
You're listening to Radio Free Reinkliffe.
Welcome to Studio Property, a cinema podcast for people like you.
I'm Doug Wartell.
I'm Devin Irby.
And this week we're discussing The Man Who Fell to Earth circa 1976.
And we're also joined by one Cody Ramone who returns again.
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Yay!
Thanks for having me back.
And who directed this film, Cody?
It's Nicholas Rogue who directed The Man Who Fell to Earth.
And it stars David Bowie.
The most glorious of David Bowie.
I was going to say...
Does anybody else in it matter?
Candy Clark.
Candy Clark.
Rip Torn.
very good Rip Torn.
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Buck Henry.
Screenwriter of The Graduate.
Amazing comedian.
Hosted SNL how many times?
A lot of times.
We should also acknowledge that this is coming out on David Bowie's birthday.
No it's not.
It's coming out the day before David Bowie's birthday.
Oh the day before.
Yes the day before.
Oh okay.
Well then you have a day to...
(01:05):
to figure out how you're going to listen to Black Star.
That's right.
Like, are you going to stream it?
Yeah.
Are you going to get are you going to get it on vinyl that day?
Is this the is this the year you get it or are you going to wait for the 10 yearanniversary?
These are all not to stress anybody out, but these are all the things that need to crossyour mind.
You listen to this podcast and then you go out immediately while you're digesting.
(01:28):
You buy the vinyl of Black Star and then.
Listen to it on his birthday.
I'm just gonna say right now you're not gonna find a first issue for under 75 bucks.
I think that's okay though.
You can get subsequent issues if you're just gonna listen to it and enjoy it.
I mean, that's true.
Well, The Man Who Fell to Earth is a classic tale of a stranger crash landing on a planetwith an embarrassment of natural resources, but only one brand of gin.
(01:55):
The film itself is a little E.T., but also a little bit Zardoz.
It is reminiscent of Starman, both film and song, but unfortunately, it is alsoreminiscent of a recently released congressional ethics report.
It is a little bit masterpiece and a little bit trash.
But no matter the measure, what is unarguably captured is the performance of an artist soclearly at the peak of his expensive coke habit.
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Join us Earthlings as we examine the man who fell to earth, Devon.
Hit it.
So much cocaine.
Put that prop gun down.
back the canisters you stole.
The devil laughed out loud when you signed away your rotten soul.
That studio property, your studio property.
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Shut your mouth or you'll never work in Hollywood again.
I'll be honest, I am drinking gin right now in celebration of the movie.
did not do many, many grams of cocaine beforehand.
Is it Beefeater gin?
(03:07):
Because that's the only gin that exists in the Man Who Felt Her.
It is not because Beefeater does not come into my house.
Well, also, did anybody else also wonder about that?
I was like, was this just pure product placement?
Because if I would be...
It clearly was, yeah.
But if I was Beefeater Jim, I...
No, that I would want product placement for a movie about Did you say if you were BeefEater Jim, like he's a person?
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If I Beef Eater Jim, I would not do that.
No, that was just my If I was James W.
Beef Eater.
No, that was just my standard inability to speak clearly.
If I was Beef Eater Jim, if I would be executives at Beef Eater Jim.
I would be concerned about doing product placement and movie that's literally about a guythat drinks so much.
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He basically destroys his family.
But it's 1976.
So, right.
So that's commonplace.
Those are the course to 1976.
You don't even have to be an alien.
Yeah, 1976 was so bad.
We were bad influence on outer space.
We ruined their lives too.
(04:17):
In terms of alcoholism.
Even in film in that era, this is pretty light, strangely, even though, even though hecan't complete this mission to save his planet, it's still relatively light.
think that's it.
I think it is the story of an alien that comes to get some resources back to his planetand is like just ruined by earth.
(04:40):
Earth just ruins him.
There's the prerequisite sort of like alien story where of course our government gets ahold of, that's like.
almost the end of the movie, but by then, like he's not even worth cutting.
They're just trying to decide.
They're like, are you actually an alien or just some wino with a lot of money?
(05:00):
Everyone kind of gets ruined in the process.
It's like, it's a big car crash.
Yeah.
Of experiences.
the only one that doesn't, I wouldn't say gets ruined is Dr.
Bryce, Rick Torrance character.
Yeah.
We're both like, we're all thinking the same thing.
Yeah, yeah, so I'm gonna be you want to get this part out of the way real quick.
(05:23):
so gross.
Yeah, I'll be honest.
I watched this movie this today this morning And I didn't need to see ripped horns wienerat 10 a.m But I did yeah, and it was kind of like meme as wieners go It was flaccid.
Yeah and kind of
It was disappointing.
(05:46):
can say disappointing.
Disappointing.
Yeah.
It was the thing that should not be.
Yeah.
It was so unnecessary.
What we're describing is a montage of a, he's a teacher, like a science teacher, at thispoint, sleeping with his students who are very much, 18 years old.
(06:08):
It said 18 anyway, we're hoping that there was some.
standards and practices on that right because these women looked very very young yeah,they did yeah, they yeah, well, and it just seems so Unnecessary to the storyline like
yes.
Why did we have to know that?
He was a womanizer.
I didn't understand why we needed to know I did I think I think the point of it from whatI gathered because when he leaves the University and goes and gets the job with you know
(06:38):
world enterprises corporation
Sorry, mega corporation.
He says in his voiceover that he like doesn't even like womanize or anything.
Like he's just focused on like science.
So I think like his higher thinking is being utilized more to actually improve humanity asit were.
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left to his own devices when he's not stimulated by this, by his work and his studies, hejust starts a conveyor belt of 18 year olds.
that he sort of wrestles with.
It's like they're, it's a.
It's so uncomfortable.
Right.
It's weird.
It's uncomfortable.
And like, and how it's shot is really gratuitous.
(07:23):
Unnecessarily gratuitous.
feel like any gratuity in a French film feels like there was a reason for it to be there.
And somehow it's always rather beautiful in whatever way.
they, even they are decent enough to glaze the lens.
Right, right.
Give them that Marlena Dietrich, I rubbed some, smeared some Vaseline on it.
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Yeah.
But as you say, yeah, ripped horns, flaccid penis was a thing I never needed to see.
No, that was the hock to a girl of what you just described earlier.
It's so funny too, because in his performance overall, he has a really, like hisperformance is great.
(08:08):
And he really.
understated and does an excellent job, but those bits are just like, Whoa.
it's, what's really strange is there's a, there's a scene later in the film that we'll doa deep dive on that could have been, Oh, I'll just get there.
There is the scene where David Bowie reveals himself to the woman who he has fallen inlove with vice versa in his fashion.
(08:37):
And after her initial breakdown,
She still tries to negotiate with what she has to work with.
even like receiving this new data that the student is an alien here.
I'll show you the clip real quick.
We'll get into this a little bit.
There's a music is a little funky for the scene.
(08:57):
It's kind of distracted.
But my point is that like rip the ripped torn scene kind of like undermines the scene.
so here's the reveal when she finds out he's an alien.
great and no warning nothing not like hey babe you gotta be prepared he's like
Cha cha!
(09:18):
Hey girl!
What's the matter?
What's the matter?
It's the Glass Spider Tour!
So check it out.
It's a few minutes later, he's laying in bed not having reacted to her reaction, and she'sgonna try to have sex with him anyway, but try to ignore the music.
(09:42):
I'm in heaven!
Sorry.
What is that sludge?
I'm gonna slime you in the night!
Do you think that was the cream of wheat product placement?
Yeah.
Yep.
No, but like she's trying to negotiate with his body anyway, which is kind of a beautifulidea.
(10:11):
That movement sounds like Purple Rain, but that slime is disconcerting and I guess this islike what coitus is on their planet.
I'm hung like a bobby doll.
It's a lipstick applicator down there.
Like a dog got.
Sorry.
(10:31):
got carried away.
But yeah, but.
But like it's a beautiful scene.
Yeah, like and there's a lot of great ideas in this movie like that one that are just sortof thrown out and not cohesively sewn together.
That's a wonderful idea.
She discovers that he's an alien, but loves him so much she's going to she's going to giveit a whirl.
(10:57):
You know?
You're not wrong.
Yeah, you know.
That's totally true.
Although it's like when you say it's not well woven together, like she gets terrified ofhim being a hairless dragon man, alien, and then.
And he literally does have like a Barbie mound.
yeah, yeah.
In the movie you do see his business as well, his human business, but his alien businessis just like this sort of, you know.
(11:25):
Like a, like a doll.
immediately went to weird Barbie talking about Ken and the Barbie movie when she's, Iwonder what kind of a hunk of molded plastic he's got under those shorts or whatever she
says.
That's exactly what it made me think of.
it's what's wild about that is that like later on when the scientists get him, he's likein his human get up again and they managed to get down to business again.
(11:51):
But now she's, she's having sex with his costume essentially.
Right?
Like, yeah.
Basically.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's one of those things I even put it like in my notes.
Like there's, there's movies in the seventies and eighties where it's really nice.
The ambiguity and the, the lack of, of description and exposition they give you.
(12:13):
I like that.
They let you just catch up.
They respect the audience to just be like, they'll get here.
But then sometimes you're like, I'm just missing parts.
Like where are we at?
And now they're like, does this.
How does this weird human disguise work that I don't need like a detailed technicaldrawing, but like, it just a costume?
he like, what are we doing?
(12:35):
Right.
Cause we were aware that clearly, his planet has a lot of technology.
So a little info.
So we're just meant to believe, well, they made him functional human parts.
He's humanoid.
made him functional human parts, but I agree with you, Cody.
Yeah.
I don't necessarily want everything spoon fed to me, but sometimes you need a tiny bit.
(12:58):
this really, other than Rip Torn's weird out of nowhere voiceover, his little weird bit ofnarration, which was- That happened a couple of times with her as well, I believe.
With Mary Lou also.
not often.
wasn't like a standard thing.
just happened a couple of times.
(13:19):
But this scene is such a great idea.
in a freaking weird convoluted movie.
And what is that soundtrack?
And it speaks to something Cody and I were talking about earlier.
Like the person who did the soundtrack was John Phillips, whose personal life looked a lotlike Bryce's in the beginning of this movie.
(13:39):
But worse, way, way, worse.
But let's not think about it.
But he did the soundtrack of this movie, but we was supposed to, but got busy.
Right?
Was it busy?
I heard that he had some sort of contract troubles.
There was something.
Yeah.
It was like his record company or something.
Yeah.
(14:00):
But also he produced two pieces of music and the director rejected them outright and theyend up on station to station low, which is immediately after this film.
Right?
So he's in this film, he's coming off of young Americans.
Right?
So he's like back and forth on the young Americans tour.
wrapping up doing this film and then he's about to go record Station Station and thatpiece, I think the instrumental piece ends up on either this one or Lobe, like one piece
(14:29):
of music ends up on each of those two records.
which is, know, those records are very confusing in a way because like he uses images fromthis movie for those covers of those, of those two albums.
I was just going to say, yeah.
Why?
Were you just, you hated shooting album covers?
Like you just, oh, well, it looked good.
in this movie I made last year.
(14:50):
Yeah, just pick another stone from that movie I did.
mean, I'm to be honest.
If I looked like David Bowie in this movie and there was a bunch of pictures of me, I'dprobably be like, just use these.
That's true.
Use them for the rest of my career.
Go ahead.
Use them forever.
And he clearly has the young Americans hair.
(15:11):
Yeah.
What we were talking about the soundtrack, John Phillips soundtrack.
How would you describe it, Cody?
It's kind of like a ball peen hammer to the temple a lot of the time.
It's a lot.
And here's the soundtrack.
If you just hear the soundtrack, there's some great music in it.
(15:33):
There's some interesting needle drops and things like that that are cool, but it is notwoven together.
Again, this is probably the through line of this movie.
It is not woven together well.
No, like here's an example that Cody sent this over and I was laughing because it's likewe call we have dubbed this scene jump scare bluegrass.
(16:00):
I'm concerned about the recovery program.
be.
Don't be.
Mr.
Newton, are you crazy?
What?
(16:28):
Sorry, I punched my microphone.
Did you punch your microphone?
Yes, because I was like, just because I was laughing so hard.
I literally pushed my microphone and knocked a drink over.
think that's the most effective, like music because of like just it's ridiculous, but it'sjust like.
But it's not even on a comedy beat.
It's a driving montage.
(16:50):
He's going from like dialogue in the back of a car and he's like, OK, OK, let's do a wideat the top of the car.
And then immediately this bluegrass shenanigan.
It's crazy.
Like, I can't even.
Like, as soon as you said that to me, I was rolling.
Yeah, that's one time I laughed.
(17:10):
I really laughed out loud when I was just sitting here.
I was just like, what is what's going on?
And again, there's so many great ideas in this movie that just get insulted by momentslike that one.
Yeah.
As soon as that music started, I was like, Duke's a hazard.
And then I immediately thought something exciting or funny was going to happen.
(17:30):
I was waiting for a car to jump something or something.
to pause and be like, I hope the law don't get them Duke boys.
I was waiting for something like that.
And that's not what happened.
It's just a minute of bluegrass and wide shots of landscape.
Yes.
Them driving.
That's it.
The alien didn't know Enos was right on his tail.
(17:51):
Yugi Yugi.
What the hell?
my God.
But yeah, John Phillips is a mess.
like Nicholas Rogue and John Phillips never had a conversation.
Yes.
I like there wasn't a script, because there's no space anything in the sound.
(18:13):
Like nothing.
Oh, there's one.
There's just the Mars movement of that classical piece about the nine planets.
Oh, okay.
Right.
It's used everywhere all the time.
Everyone's heard it.
That's the only space in quotes.
Right, but that's the stock music, because some of it's stock.
Like a lot of it, he composed it, what he didn't compose, he just took stock music,because one interesting thing, he only had like three weeks or something.
(18:42):
So bizarre.
Because he thought Bowie was doing it.
And then that wasn't happening, so he called John Phillips.
The other thing I want to know is, John Phillips do the whale song?
Because every time they'd go to his home planet,
It only sounded like whale song to me.
Hold on.
Do I have it here?
Let me see if I have that here.
(19:02):
Yeah, is this the song?
It's part of it.
Yeah, it's gonna sound like Yes, it kind of sounds like whale singing But there's a coupleother There's a couple other points where you hear it a little more, but yeah, it sounds
like whale singing What family outing like what vacation have you ever been on whereyou're the only person coming off of any tram?
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Like his is the only family that exists on their home.
I know it's a stupid detail to point out, but I was annoyed.
I was annoyed.
I noted that as the, the Mossie TP alien train.
Yeah.
Which by the way is like, is just like spray painted mud on a truck that's being pulled.
(19:51):
Yeah.
It looks like an OG Dr.
Who villain.
Yeah.
It does.
that was one of those moments where I was like,
This thing can't go into outer space.
It's an Adobe mud hut situation, but they're trying to convince us that it's going to godown that track and it's the lifeboat that's going to send them to earth.
And it's on a tram.
(20:11):
Right.
Where's it flying to?
It's flying.
It's going to zoom him to get him to earth.
Cause I assumed it was taking him into the city to go on the rocket.
He was like, I assumed it was the F train.
Is that not you?
That looks a lot like the green line here.
I'm just saying.
(20:34):
There's no other commuter on it.
But the book, you know, because this is based on a book, right?
Which is 13 years prior to the making of the film.
And it's described as he gets sent to earth on a lifeboat because their ships, that's whytheir people can't come to earth is because their ships are all old and unfunctional.
(20:56):
So they send him to earth on a lifeboat.
So my assumption was the little tram thing was so he could get enough speed so it could,the little lifeboat could shoot him in his face.
You know what guys, we're getting a call.
on minute.
Let's see.
Yeah.
Let's see what this is here.
Hello, studio property.
Yes.
Am I on pod show?
(21:19):
Yeah, you're calling into a Radio Free Reinkliff.
Yes.
Is this Devon and Doosh?
Yes, I'm Devon.
And yeah, that's douche.
Oh, douche.
It's great.
Great to be on the show.
Thank you.
I've been called worse.
Call it what's your name?
sounds like the who called him.
(21:41):
Mikhail.
Mikhail.
Mikhail, really quick.
Where are you from?
I'm from one of the stands, main Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan.
Don't ask questions.
OK, one of the stands.
Excellent.
I mean, you can only hear us in the Rheinbeck area.
Right.
So I'm sorry.
live in the time back, but yes, I'm from one of the stands.
I just don't like to say for obvious reasons.
(22:04):
I mean, get it.
Understood.
We live in weird times.
Do you know this?
We live in very weird times.
I'd like to reveal where I'm from.
Why do I need this information?
I just had the quick question for you guys.
Very excited to be on.
Of course.
We're happy.
What's your question?
You saw it was listening first time listener and they hear.
(22:25):
You guys speaking to a man named Nail.
Do you remember Nail?
yeah.
He, yes.
He called me when we talking to Nail.
Well, I assume he means Neil who called when we were talking about some like a hot, ofcourse.
Absolutely.
that was just last week.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We spoke to Neil.
Yeah.
Yes.
I have, I have an awkward question for you.
(22:45):
We don't know each other well, but it's hard for me to say.
All right.
So, so Nail, he's my ex-husband.
and now you and I built great life together.
However, I have custody of all of our children and now you has not paid me in six months.
Now I know this is not something for pod show to get involved with.
(23:08):
You guys talk about the movie cinemas.
Me, I look for help and the help I need is maybe you got some personal identifiableinformation from now you like his mobile telephone or perhaps his street address.
I need to get money back from now you.
He's just not paying.
have so many small kids.
Hold on.
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me start.
know what, Neil?
Neil, yeah, Neil, let me.
Yes, I do.
I have one child.
Get your names right.
is right.
Oh, Michail.
Sorry.
It's all well, I'm very stressed out right now because we don't have a call screener.
First of all, secondly, this conversation has really nothing to do with what we're talkingabout.
He's asking personal information.
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could contribute.
You want me to contribute?
I'm rather quick on my feet.
Well, if you were listening, you knew we were talking about a David Bowie film called TheWho to The Man from Space, the Alien, it's funny, yes, I know.
So you saw The Man Who Fell to Earth?
Douj, I was not born yesterday.
Of course I saw The Man from Earth.
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like The Man Who Fell to Earth.
English broken sometimes, you understand.
of course, of course.
Yeah, Ryan Beck is suddenly Brighton Beach.
I totally understand.
What did you think of the film?
Why did I think of film?
I don't know.
I most people talk about how he's an alien pretending to be a human, but in real life hewas the reverse.
Like everybody talks about this, like the study joke, but the reality is, I struggle tosay this out loud, but here goes.
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The way I would frame it is that the man who fell to earth, well, it's often calledincomprehensible.
I don't think that's fair.
Listen, the film was about the alien who comes to earth.
build spacecraft, gets rich, becomes an alcoholic and ends up living in luxury hotel whilehis alien wife and children die on his home planet.
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You know, classic immigrant story.
I don't know why people don't like it.
Well, I mean, you nailed it.
I can't argue with that.
I did a little show podcasting myself a few years ago.
really?
about?
It was about Niel.
It was about the end of our marriage.
You did a podcast about the end of your marriage?
(25:23):
Listen, so the stranger things have happened, no?
Is it still available?
Because I kind of want to subscribe to it.
Yeah, too.
The lawyers made us take us down during mediation.
It was upsetting.
Let's get back to the point.
Will you give me Nail's mobile phone and or personal identifiable information?
Maybe you'll have his last four digits of social.
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I don't have his.
down with last four.
Okay, well, I assume because you were married, might even know his last four or certainlyhave access to it, but I stole all the interest.
I tried to not remember many things about now.
You don't mean I didn't want to remember his birthday.
Didn't want to remember the day we got married.
I just, I feel about now.
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So, you know, I just don't want to know anything about him.
I forget.
So that's why I it from you.
Doge and Devon.
Am I saying your name right Devon?
It's Devon, but I do not mind the way you're saying it.
We also have Cody.
Cody Ramon is here as well this week.
did not realize Cody was here.
Hello, Cody.
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I don't know.
I'm a man that can find things.
I think I can help you, Mikhail.
this is the man.
Why was I even talking to Douj?
Yeah, Douj can help you.
I can help you.
I know people.
connected.
I could say this.
know what?
How about this?
about this?
The information I can give you has already been available.
It's already out.
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We said it on the show.
Neil works at the performing arts center in Rhinebeck.
Nights.
He's usually there later.
I have to internet.
They sent me stop doing that.
How many times do I have to tell you stop keeping the other children?
I'm so sorry, Doosh.
so there was my son.
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He's violent.
Sometimes I have this why we need, that's why we need our money.
We need to get him the counseling.
He's so desperate needs.
Of I perfectly understand.
know, broken homes are hard on children, but.
Indeed they are.
Did you try the Performing Arts Center?
Did you know that Neil worked there?
We talked about it last week.
Yes, I knew that.
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I don't have courage to be there in person.
I need to do this.
I think the word is clandestine.
Well, I get you can reach the Performing Arts Center and Rheinbeck.
By the way, there's a performance of Shrek happening there.
that sounds lovely.
It does.
You could take the kids.
Yeah, you could take the kids.
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Is this live action, Shrek?
is this is you say live action?
Yes, it's performance at theater performance.
Yes, Sam would love that.
He likes the donkey.
And afterwards, Neil's troop goes on after I believe the actual way he has.
He way you said troop with this troop.
He's got military force.
I asked the same question.
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Yeah, no, it's not that.
I'm so glad I wasn't being racist last week.
I thought I was racist asking that question.
Thank you.
Yeah.
No, it was his theater troupe, his all female theater troupe performs there after theactual Rheinbeck performing arts troupe were performed.
So yeah, they're performing Shrek until I think January 12th, right?
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And you can reach the Rheinbeck performing arts center by calling 845-876-
3-0, 8-0.
All right, I will give them a call.
I'm sure Nae will You don't tell Neil, I'm talking to the audience.
I am part of the audience, douche.
I mean, it's a start, Mikhail.
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I mean, it gets you on the right path, right?
My goodness, how many kids do you have?
It's just three boys.
three boys is a lot though.
Yes, are 16, seven, and four.
I raised them all myself.
I make all the clothes.
It was hard.
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I'm a seamstress by trade, but Nail, he was supposed to be the breadwinner andseamstresses don't pay bills like it used to be.
In old country, I could run it for just one dress.
I made one dress and I own half the capital.
I mean, I get that.
The conversion rate and inflation did not work so well then.
Although, you know, people are getting back to specialty made items, I feel like if youreally wanted to, you'd have a real shot at getting yourself going.
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feel like you'd have an incredible Etsy page at the very least.
Oh my goodness, yes.
what is Etsy?
Devon, is it?
Etsy?
Devon, could you be consultant for me?
Will you be my consultant to build Etsy store and empire?
You know what?
Yeah, absolutely, Mikhail.
I love kids and I can't help but my heart is just...
Just being pulled three ways for your three children.
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So absolutely I could.
Yeah, for sure.
and Cody have good heart.
Douj is questionable at best.
well, that's not anything we don't already know.
boy.
Listen, how about if Neil calls back, do you have contact information for us to give tohim?
Yes, I'm happy to give it to you offline so that the peoples cannot contact me unless youwould like me to make things based on my seamstress abilities.
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And therefore, please give out my information when appropriate.
about this?
How about this?
How about if you agree not to commit any violence, especially on the property of theRheinbeck Performing Arts Center, I will be more than happy than to plug your coming Etsy
page once it's up and running.
I find this to be a reasonable offer.
(30:51):
To be fair, Dush, I would never do anything violent.
Violence is not a solution to nothing.
I just, need, I need money.
need money.
As you hear that naive.
is the dead beat.
think is the word.
That's what it's, what it sounds like.
Yeah.
Unfortunately.
you're promoting dead beat that military troop, which I'm not saying is bad.
(31:11):
I'm just saying you're promoting it.
I wanted you to know who you're promoting.
Right now.
Well, I appreciate that.
And more you know, of me as a live Yelp review and you know, you've got two stars rightnow.
Oh, you personally, the show maybe three, three and a half.
I have to listen to more episodes.
I'm not sure.
Yeah.
Well, we'd love to have you listen to more.
Okay.
Not the first time I've been told that my personal Yelp rating is two and a half stars.
(31:34):
Frankly, you're being generous, but I appreciate it.
And thank you for calling.
You're quite welcome.
Yes, thank you.
Nice evening.
Devin, a pleasure.
Cody, you're a good man.
Maybe we never speak again.
Thanks for calling.
Bye, Mikael.
I don't know if what we did is correct.
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I don't know.
I mean, I gave the information out last week.
I don't know.
I thought Neil sounded nice last week, but now I, you know, they got three kids and Mikaelneeds his alimony, man.
I don't know.
I'm just, yeah.
I mean, it's all very, well, I wasn't trying to take sides, but you know, kids wereinvolved.
You know how my heart.
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just jumps out to kids.
The biggest surprise of that whole phone call was not only did Mikhail see the movie, heunderstood what it was about.
And I would even say like probably agreed with our take on it as well.
Yes.
Yeah.
I think that I think on that like track of like the, the message of the movie is onething, the execution of the movie.
(32:45):
This is
you the year before Star Wars comes out and kind of realigns and is like, Hey, you know,you can make science fiction.
That's not cheesy or, porn or almost porn or bananas.
Like, yeah, that's another thing we didn't stress enough is this, this movie is almostporn.
Yes, it is.
It is.
There's a lot.
I mean, we made a lot of ripped torn penis jokes earlier, but there's a lot of nakedpeople in this movie.
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there's just a button on that.
I think this is one the confusing things about the movie why it's a little hard to followthe dude who's
basically, I think set up the hit on Farnsworth.
The big black guy.
Yeah.
There's a scene with him and his wife where he just comes out of the pool stark naked.
(33:29):
yeah.
For no apparent reason.
What's his name?
He was, he's in a lot of things.
Revenge of the nerds.
that's right.
But you're right.
Bernie Casey.
Yeah.
He's in a, Bernie Casey's in a lot of things.
He's an excellent actor too, by the way.
Like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He just gets out of the pool completely naked greets his wife completely.
(33:51):
Who's completely naked.
Yeah.
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Sorry about that, Deb.
Nope, that's okay.
I'm sorry that I couldn't keep it together.
my goodness.
yeah.
No, what I want to point out too is you're right, that whole scene with him and his wife,it's so weirdly pornographic and then immediately goes into a scene of them tucking their
(34:40):
children into bed.
Right.
The only thing that could have made that better is bluegrass.
It would not be unexpected.
would back by then in the movie.
By that point in the movie, it would be welcome.
Right?
Yeah.
man.
Yeah.
But right now it's time for a brand new segment that I am really God excited about.
(35:06):
It is called Let's franchise it, baby.
So first and foremost, OK, we've seen the film.
Do we want to write a sequel or do a remake?
What is the vote?
Remake.
There's three of us, so we do have a, yeah.
I vote we're unanimous.
(35:27):
Yeah, I vote remake as well.
Yeah.
Okay, who directs it?
Who's on our short list?
I was thinking the Dune guy.
Denny Villeneuve?
Yes, Denny Villeneuve.
that's a good choice.
She's coming out swinging, Doug.
That's a good choice.
(35:48):
I have a t-shirt that just says directed by Denny Villeneuve.
yeah.
No, I have it.
I have that shirt.
You need to wear it.
I co-sign that, Dev.
That's a good one.
Thank you.
That's really good.
We're unanimous on that too.
Excellent.
Well, my thought was he knows sci-fi.
We know he can do top-notch sci-fi.
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Complicated sci-fi.
Complicated sci-fi, which I feel like that's what this movie is.
It is complicated sci-fi.
When you think about the piece of crap Blade Runner 2049 could have been under anyoneelse's watch.
He's probably the only choice to Yeah, that's great choice.
(36:32):
It'll just be like a rival.
Right.
Cause let's be honest, we went the J.J.
Abrams route, all it would be would be lens flares and stupid shit.
It would be what we got.
So we also have to approach Duncan Jones and Amon as an homage to David Bowie.
(36:53):
Use some of the deep cuts from that period to recontextualize them.
Okay, okay.
Honestly, I'll give up as a, if Denis Villeneuve is busy, I feel like Duncan Jones is agood second choice, because he's a pretty solid director and he's made some, a couple of
really good.
Moon was fantastic.
(37:15):
Moon was amazing.
So as a second.
I like this idea.
Yeah.
Maybe we just assume that he's somewhere on the crew anyway.
If Denny Villeneuve isn't too busy and he can direct our.
How much of a budget do we have for this?
We can't go crazy.
I hate to be that guy, but.
(37:36):
I think I'm going like 50, 50 million.
Okay.
think that's reasonable.
don't want to go overboard.
Yeah.
We don't want this to be a big CGI fest.
No.
Yeah.
Cause honestly it really doesn't need CGI if it's done properly.
Yeah.
(37:57):
Cause the right?
The stuff on earth doesn't need CGI and the stuff on, by the way, this reminds me, I don'tthink they ever said the name of the planet in the original movie, it's Althea?
Althea?
Athena?
like that.
Athneia?
Something like that.
Yeah, I mean, of course we're gonna have to like, we're gonna have to rework thescreenplay.
(38:19):
Maybe use elements in the book that weren't used the first time.
Yes, thank you.
You know?
Shed some light on some places.
Is it a going home story or is it the same sort of, he's poisoned by us?
I like Which is like the reverse Superman.
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I like, you know what mean?
Yeah.
And also,
You know, the other interesting element of the book versus the movie that I think shouldbe used, which actually disappointed me, it wasn't used the first time, is so the idea was
he was going to send water to their planet.
In the book, he's trying to get actual ships that can get to his planet to bring everybodywho's remaining back to Earth because their planet is no longer viable.
(39:03):
So there is sort of a, like you said, it's not a homecoming per se, but it kind of isbecause the whole point is that
he's supposed to get everything, get himself together here so he can bring them here.
The other thing about the book is, remember, nobody knows he's an alien except for acouple of people, and that holds true in the book.
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And so even when the government figures out that he's an alien, it's not as though itbecomes widespread and they still, government intervenes, jacks everything up.
And that whole thing, this is the other thing that disappointed me in the original, thewhole thing about where they do the x-rays of his eyes and they up his eyes.
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He needs his fancy alien eyes to be able to navigate however they built the spaceships.
So he cannot go get them.
And the last thing he does is send them a message.
like in this, in that version where they have like the record and he's like, well, causemy hope is they'll hear it at some point.
Literally the book does end with he can't get them.
(40:09):
So he is completely not only did we destroy him.
because nobody hears Bowie's version of automatic for the people.
That's all I thought of when I saw that cover.
was like, that's the cover of automatic for the people.
Like, yeah.
So basically it ends kind I mean, so in that aspect, it does sort of end the same in thathe fails at his mission.
(40:33):
So in the book, he fails at the mission.
And he does, so we can avoid that.
So we can avoid those sociopolitical.
don't think we need it to be that dour, but like, you need a little like a twinkle ofhope.
Okay, so I'll give you the twinkle of hope.
Let's change the ending of Mary Lou and Bryce to be, let's give them a good ending.
(40:55):
Whereas like the other one, all the characters end with like a longing or a pining.
Let's give them an arc where they get to move on.
Okay.
And not just a marriage, nothing that wrote just like, and they don't win the lottery, butlike, you know, something good happens to them.
a little bit of joy.
Like they're actually happy together.
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Okay.
Yeah.
And maybe Bryce is still working like on things.
He's a smart guy.
Maybe he's still pushing.
Are we going to do social comment?
Like, we going to make him who we think he is already in the movie?
I mean,
congressional beavis and butthead.
(41:36):
Yeah.
You know, no, I was thinking more like Bryce is like an Elon sort of figure.
But is Bryce Elon or is Newton Elon?
Elon wishes.
Yeah.
mean, Elon does wish he was David Bowie.
Yeah.
But I mean, ultimately, I mean, I guess I'd be more Denny's choice.
(42:01):
That's true.
We'll leave that up to Danny.
That is, yeah.
Yeah, we'll leave that up him.
But the only negative about the remake will be that it'll just that whole sequence of, youknow, Newton being like, here's my big spaceship.
Check it out.
People are going to be like, we've seen this like four times in the last five years.
(42:22):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Maybe we go with like, I mean, not the frickin' Moss Tram that they had.
in the original, but maybe we go with some sort of organic looking thing.
Oh, that'd be cool.
You know, Oh, I do like that.
Moss production is I'm not going to get in their business.
(42:43):
It's a mossy TP alien tram was what I had.
Yeah.
You know, it was literally spray painted yellow, right?
You could see that unfortunately.
That's the sad part about the, uh, the criterion versions in that sense.
It's so
high quality that you can see it.
The 4K revealed how, yeah.
(43:03):
It's not great.
I mean, it's great to see.
It's also not great to see.
Yeah.
Do you remember the first generation Blu-rays, how awful they looked?
Yes.
I remember going into a Best Buy and they were trying to sell you on these players andthese TVs and they had one of the Batman movies and it was like Batman Begins.
(43:27):
Right.
And but he's in the Batmobile for the first time.
He's rolling is like a helicopter light.
And it looked like a camcorder had shot it.
It looked like it was homemade footage from somebody who was on the set.
And I mentioned that because 4K, although does get us really, really quick, like it looksso much better than the sample rate on those early, you know, yeah, blue rays are awful
(43:52):
because everybody goes back to laser disc.
Right.
It's almost a nostalgia thing where he's like,
Laser discs were amazing.
Blue rays were not like, let's never go back to that for any reason.
even had to like put a, like certain TVs had settings to like the cinema setting and allit was was just a tint to mask all the things that the blue ray was making garbage.
(44:16):
There's somebody that will tweet out before the holidays of it'll just say the brand of TVand what the setting is to turn off.
Cause you're going to be like your parents has like if they have a Sony turn off this, ifthey have a Panasonic turn off, it's just a list of things like, here's what to turn off
kids and just gives you a guy.
(44:37):
That's great.
That's amazing.
All Do we want to try to say it at the same time?
Because Devin is probably going to beat us to this because her choices have been allstellar so far.
Who's your lead actor?
Do you have them in your head?
I do.
I don't actually.
It's going to be very telling and I don't think we're going to be on the same page Doug.
(44:58):
What's that?
Oh no, I'm not going to say Matt Dillon.
I'm not going to.
I picked any.
You guys pick the lead.
You ready to go one, two, three?
Sure.
One.
Oh yeah, I gotta remember his name.
Oh no, because I didn't want to say.
Okay.
I gotta count and remember his name at the same time.
One, two, three.
Driver.
Harry Styles.
(45:21):
You went musician.
I did.
Devin, you decide is it going to be Harry Styles or is it going to be Adam Driver?
That's a good choice, though.
I'm not mad at your choice.
Harry Styles is a great actor, too, though.
He's he's he's proven he could act.
I feel like under any other circumstances, I would say Adam Driver.
But this Harry Styles is it I guess.
(45:42):
Hear me out, though.
Isn't that an interpolation of the movie we saw, though?
Like, isn't that?
So are you suggesting that Adam Driver will bring something new?
well just as a box glance you're kind of like oh they just replaced Bowie with a musicianwith a sample of Bowie.
Yes.
He already has songs that intentionally sound like Bowie.
Right.
True.
a little bit of it but also just that like just how at the time Bowie looked like helooked alien because he looked so perfect.
(46:13):
And so like.
Right.
Like he looked.
out of place because he looked so strange and like a perf, like a perfected way down tolike his clothes, his hair, his like everything about him was like this weird, like he
doesn't look quite right.
Cause he looks out of place cause he's an alien.
(46:35):
That's where I was going.
I agree.
I understand that.
But I think Adam driver could do it too.
Like I'm not actually, like, that's not a bad, that's my only contention.
to Harry Styles is to me that'd be like casting Vanilla Ice in a movie that FreddieMercury did.
A little bit of it, yeah.
(46:57):
You know what I little bit of it.
I'm only saying that also because of Harry Styles, like other, he's done movies.
Right.
Yeah.
And he's had some interesting I mean, technically Vanilla Ice did a movie too.
Which I think, I think Candy Clark was in that movie.
What?
In Cool as Ice?
I think so.
got to look that shit up right now.
(47:17):
Somebody was in, I saw that when I was researching.
Okay.
Please confirm.
Okay.
So Wild Dog is confirming that.
Yeah, this is something because of it.
I mean, you both, you, you named two people that absolutely would be brilliant.
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Candy Clark was in Cool as Ice.
I'm looking at it.
that's funny.
man.
man.
Naomi Campbell was in it too.
And one can only hope she hit vanilla ice with her phone.
I hope they're hiding a lot anyway.
Could be worse, she could have been in Body Rock with Lorenzo Llamas.
(48:03):
Also shop a Robbie Mueller.
Okay.
You're welcome.
Okay.
Go ahead.
That's no.
Shout out to my film student friends.
Sorry, could we stray from lead actor and go to crew and who's going to shoot this thing?
Cause I think I know Doug's answer.
he died.
died.
Robbie Mueller died.
(48:26):
Who's the heir apparent to Robbie Mueller in your opinion then?
good question.
I don't know.
There is one who paints that intentionally with light that I've seen, that I've seen, thatI'm aware of.
Right?
But if we're talking about going into New Mexico, Roger Deakins is the only choice.
That's my choice too.
(48:49):
No argument there.
We might have to...
raise some more money for this movie.
We might have to raise more money for this.
Or somehow convince them that this is a film that needs to be remade and they need to workwithin our budget because they're the only people who will be able to do it right.
They might.
I mean, I wonder if they'd say yes to that.
(49:10):
Which actually, before we go to the rest of the cast and crew, I want to rewind a littlebit.
I think you guys just answered another question, which is I think we obviously have tokeep this in New Mexico.
Yeah.
Cause that was the other element I was going to mention is I don't know if you guysrealize this, but in the book he lands in Kentucky.
That's the book's problem.
(49:31):
Yeah.
New Mexico is his choice.
It's the deal.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
That's the place to be.
So, okay.
So we're keeping it in New Mexico.
Okay.
Yeah.
So we're keeping it New Mexico.
We got Denis Villeneuve.
We've got Roger Deakins.
We're very happy.
I do feel like we need to discuss like art direction and or
costuming because you have to admit like both Mary Lou and Tommy's Tommy Newton's outfitsare I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna tell you they're beautiful so everybody else is just par
(50:09):
for the course because of the time but the two of them need to look magnificent yeah acouple that were the production designer and scout
and the costume designer.
Are they still alive?
Oh, May Ralph.
And the production design was Brian Eatwell.
Well, I kind of want to, I think we should hire them again.
(50:31):
do you think they would say- passed away.
there goes that.
Brian Eatwell passed away as well.
crap.
All right.
So let me see.
I mean, you could go full fifth element and get Jean Paul Gaultier.
Right, we can get like a fashion designer if we...
Is Jean-Paul Gaultier still allowed or is he somebody...
(50:54):
Because Karl Lagerfeld is no longer allowed.
Is Jean-Paul Gaultier...
Is he still already agreed to a 50 million dollar budget.
I just got to keep reminding...
I mean, there's literally a person that does this job that I'm saying, so I don't feellike I'm talking out of...
Alright, you're right.
So that's why I don't want to go with like a big designer.
Like, I would rather...
How about the gal who did...
(51:19):
Mad Max Fury Road.
I believe she won an Oscar.
Or do we think she'd be too, hold on.
That might be too much.
Beavan.
Maybe what?
Yes.
Has she won more than once or has she been nominated again?
Because I feel like.
(51:40):
Yeah, she, We're making a lot of choices by the way.
Like we got a guy who shot the desert.
perfectly in Sicario.
And we're getting at the costumer who knows how to make sci-fi look great in a desert.
No, but these are, I think this keeps us within the 50.
I feel like we're making some, Harry Styles might be our only risk.
(52:05):
You know what?
In which case, maybe we do go Harry Styles because we need to take that risk.
Because if we're being safe everywhere else.
she's won three Oscars.
Okay.
See, I'm not.
What are the other things she's won Oscars for?
A Room with a View and Cruella.
well The costume of Cruella was fun.
No, the costume was, I saw that, the live action Cruella?
(52:27):
Yeah.
She can, oh, well It was very trashy and punky.
It was Okay, tell me her name one more time.
Jenny Beavan.
Jenny Beavan, all right, well feel like Jenny Beavan's handling our costumes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, think Jenny Beavan's handling our costumes.
Who is our female lead?
And why is it?
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Why is it Alana Hame?
Yeah.
Definitely Alana Hame.
actually think it.
Yeah.
I'm actually on board with that.
Yeah.
Alana Hame.
Alana Hame.
Okay.
I actually have an answer for this.
By the way, audience, we, we, that's usually my answer in private conversation.
That's my answer for everything because she is my female, Matt Dillon.
So I stick her in everything that I would, that Matt Dillon is too old to play, which iswhy we need an over the edge remake with Alana Hame.
(53:16):
Okay.
So the reason Alana Haim works is she starts out, because remember her character is fromOklahoma, right?
And she goes to New Mexico or whatever when she's 16.
The whole thing about her is that there is this lovely innocence, the way she dresses, hermakeup, all that kind of stuff.
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And then as she's pulled into this weirdly glamorous, decadent world,
she still maintains a certain level of that for a very long time.
one of the first scenes where she and Tommy are living together, the way they do hermakeup, she looks like she's trying to be a 16 year old who is trying on her mother's
(54:01):
clothes and makeup.
And I think Alana Haim could do that.
I think she could do that lovely.
Agreed.
Well, here's the thing.
A lot of the videos that Paul Thomas Anderson has directed,
for Hame, right?
She already looks like the tough girl from 1976, right?
That's why she's so perfect in a licorice pizza, right?
(54:25):
Yeah, I thought that's a natural fit.
And also, she's playing opposite, either way, she plays opposite Adam Driver or HarryStyles, it works either way.
A lot of Hame, can age up or down.
Yes, you definitely could.
Which obviously is part of the character too.
she's got to be able to age quite a bit.
(54:46):
Yeah.
So really all we're missing is Nathan Bryce, our, what is he?
He's some sort of chemist or fuel rocket, fuel expert, professor dude.
And our Buck Henry guy.
need our Buck Henry.
Oliver Farnsworth.
Yeah, I think that is harder.
(55:08):
That is harder.
I feel like Paul Giamatti for one of those.
he, I think that's the rip.
I think that's ripped horn.
I think Paul G.
Paul G.
Amati definitely, especially cause I feel like our remake removes a lot of that.
Cause we've already discussed it.
We're going to condense.
(55:28):
don't agree.
You don't agree.
okay.
I don't agree because you need to, he needs to age up significantly and needs to startcloser to where a lot of names starts.
Dang it.
Okay.
maybe we spend the money and get Adam Driver here.
yeah.
(55:50):
that's good.
Go cheap on the Buck Henry character.
Okay.
He's only in it here and there.
That's true.
You know, like, it's got to be like, the phone most of the time, but he's also a care,whoever Buck Henry is, has got to be like a nice character.
I mean, well, in fact we got stop calling him Buck Henry.
He's Oliver Farnsworth.
But he gets the same sweatsuit.
(56:10):
That's, I'm going to insist as the producer that he stays in that.
Also the glasses, the glasses have to stay because that's such a brilliant element.
And I do, that's not in the book.
Cause actually that's the other fascinating thing is the Oliver Farnsworth character isn'treally in the book, but I think you keep him.
(56:30):
Cause I like, I like his element.
like what he brings.
He brings a cohesiveness to the reality of the story.
Right.
agree.
I agree.
Patent attorney getting our, our Tommy Newton, his money.
His that's going to be a really tricky for Denny to pace out too, because it's theoriginal.
He's like, you know, Oh, you got nine patents here in the next day.
(56:53):
He's a millionaire.
Yes.
Right.
And coat and has swallowed Kodak into the umbrella of this poorly named, lazily namedcorporation.
Yeah.
vision of plasma part of ComEd.com.
Yeah.
Right
I think somebody we can go really cute here also because Buck Henry is almost a cutechoice in context of then.
(57:22):
Yeah.
Right.
Actually is Paul Giamatti too expensive as Oliver Farnsworth?
Cause I could totally see him in the glasses and being pretty adorable.
Or do we think we need, we still need somebody younger?
I don't think, I don't think it's necessary.
But Paul Giamatti, I think we're spending too much money if we.
Spending too much money, okay.
(57:43):
Yeah, I mean, think we get like a TV person.
Oh.
You know?
Somebody.
Or even give a comedian a shot at that role.
Like, let's go Jim Gaffigan.
Oh, that's good.
Oh, I like that.
Yeah, just like, give him a quirky, like, you know, if you give him an opportunity to dosomething odd without having to go full Robin Williams, we pay him half the Giamatti
(58:06):
salary because we blew our, you know.
I do have to ask though, do we think Jim Gaffigan will take half the money of PaulGiamatti?
Do we think so?
He doesn't know how much we were going to pay Paul Giamatti.
All right, that's fair.
That's fair.
You're not wrong.
You're not wrong.
This is new podcast called Contract Negotiations.
(58:29):
I that's good.
like Jim Gaffigan.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
So let's recap a little bit and see where we are.
Cause I think we've got most of it knocked out.
Okay.
Yeah.
One, we're keeping New Mexico as our location, both where we're gonna film and thelocation for the plot itself.
(58:51):
Yes.
We are asking Denis Villeneuve to be, Villeneuve, I'm sorry, I have no French accent, beour director.
Villeneuve.
Villeneuve.
Denis Villeneuve.
To be our director.
It's fun to say, if you say a bunch of times, it's really fun.
And then.
Duncan Jones has to be an AD, like first AD or something.
(59:15):
We need him in there somewhere.
He's not gonna take the first AD job.
Okay, well you know what mean, but like maybe he produces?
Do you think he'll produce?
Executive?
I mean, he's gotta consult on something, because we're also screwing around with hisfather's legacy.
Right.
So maybe, yeah, executive producer's not bad.
(59:35):
Right.
Or we stay, we keep, you know, we stay in touch.
We get the music rights.
Yes.
Cause like, knows what he'll want.
Cause he'll have his own, like you know, creative people.
We're trying to run a business here.
I mean, I get, okay, fine.
I get it.
I get it.
All right, fine.
Okay.
So we're there.
producer on this, on this version.
You are that producer on this version.
(59:56):
Okay.
Good butts in seats, Right.
Harry Styles.
I like it.
I like it.
I like it.
Okay.
Our cinematographer is Roger Deakins.
getting us back on track here.
Jenny Beaven is our costume designer.
choice.
Right?
And our main four characters are Harry Styles as Thomas Jerome Newton.
(01:00:19):
Adam Driver is going to be Nathan Bryce.
We're throwing in some Jim Gaffigan as our adorable Olive Farnsworth, and we're keepingthe glasses.
And then Alana Haim is going to be Mary Lou.
I feel like my question now is the big one for Doug.
Yes.
Who scores this movie?
Oh, does music.
(01:00:41):
Mark Mothersbaugh.
He's done.
He has a lot of experience and he's scored everything.
He scored what we do in the shadows.
He scored all the Thor movies.
He scored like his list of things that he scores now are just endless.
Okay.
Mark Mothersbaugh.
Yeah.
Mark Mothersbaugh?
From Devo.
Yeah, he's a singer from Devo.
(01:01:02):
Okay.
Well, sorry.
We're literally remaking, we're remaking a film.
So I clearly have to take notes on who we've selected.
So that's why I'm asking.
Don't act like I'm- of $50 million.
you know.
Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm just saying.
I got to make sure that I've got this Devin's taking notes so he can reach out to theirrepresentation.
(01:01:24):
Darn right I am.
Who's doing craft services?
And also in real life, if anybody knew Devon, this would be broken down to the scent rightnow.
You don't even know listeners.
You're right.
(01:01:44):
There would be a graph.
There would be a pie chart.
You know what type A personality is her just like type infinity symbol.
It's type whatever the prints call themselves.
Look, it was that.
my God.
That is exactly what I am.
No joke.
Yup.
(01:02:06):
Okay.
Now I have one other significant question.
Yes.
Is there any, are there any major plot changes other than what we mentioned already?
We're getting rid of, well, we're getting rid of the, the ripped torn thing.
Yeah.
We're getting rid of ripped torns backstory.
I'm going to insist.
(01:02:26):
on the love scene where she tries to negotiate with whatever business that is, but thatbusiness is up to the director what it actually looks like or how it functions, right?
But I'm gonna insist that that love scene be kept, because that's a wonderful moment,right?
If that's the only one, then that will really So it'll hit harder.
(01:02:50):
Yes, it'll hit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they don't necessarily have to be completely naked, whatever it is, however he wants.
That's up to Denny, but that scene has to, you know.
that moment needs to be in there.
I don't think you need to change the overarching plot of the movie.
You just need to clean it up to make sense of it and make sure it flows together reallywell.
(01:03:13):
Well, what we had talked about before about, like more of that, we're not trying to shipwater to you.
We're trying to get you here.
Trying to you here.
That's more interesting.
Yeah.
mission is clear out of the gate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The mission being clear out of the gate.
Yes.
Thank I'd like to keep the 76 Lincoln limousine with the giant antenna on it, even thoughit takes place in 2025.
(01:03:41):
Absolutely.
I do want to know, are we keeping the weird pioneer now that you've described itaccurately to me?
Are we keeping the pioneer time travel thing?
Again, that's probably a...
Screenwriter, Denis decision.
Okay.
Fine.
Yeah.
Anybody can make it work.
Yeah.
Right.
I mean, I can only like lean in on the big moments, right?
(01:04:03):
Like as a producer, I'm probably going to lean in on that and make a suggestion that someof the subtext, like maybe the Mary Lou character does demonstrate a lot of false
eyelashes, false fingernails.
So in a lot of scenes where she's applying and reapplying those things to give her aparallel.
to the alien.
(01:04:27):
and actual a little bit more, like when I was talking about before, the X-rays fuse thosecontacts to his eyes and know, like that whole, like a better explanation of that.
Yeah, just like a slightly better explanation of certain things.
And what gin do we want to get for product placement?
(01:04:48):
Gin.
I mean, I think we go, can we go...
Let's go Hendrix or something.
Let's go like.
Bless.
Yeah.
Hendrix is good.
Well, I guess.
I don't drink.
I'm allergic to gin.
makes me like a big dick.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
(01:05:08):
Well, I think that sums up our remake of the man who fell to earth coming in 2026.
Honestly.
Oh, we're shooting right away.
So right now we're not even storyboarding.
No, no.
We're just getting right into it.
Yeah.
I mean, cause that's what you do.
You just get a camera and go to New Mexico.
We got to do it before dune three.
So we got to get in there.
(01:05:29):
Obviously.
Yeah.
He could definitely make this before dune three.
For sure.
Well, this is the remake we're making.
I hope you close your eyes and see it in your brain and enjoy it.
And what are we doing next week, Devin?
What movie are we talking about next week?
We've decided to jump into the 90s and we're doing House of Yes.
(01:05:52):
Oh, about time that.
The 90s, I'm quite excited.
Yes, starring Tori Spelling and Parker Posey.
And I'll say I'm so excited.
Two great tastes and one candy bar.
Yeah, I mean, you'll be very surprised by Tori Spelling's performance, because you'venever seen it, Deb.
(01:06:15):
I have not seen it.
This is on my list of have not scenes and I'm quite excited about it.
I'm just going to tell you in advance, you're welcome.
Thank you.
So join us next week for the House of Yes.
We're your studio property.
Oh, I got to come up with a catchphrase, don't I?
Oh, you do.
Yeah, it's your turn.
(01:06:35):
All right.
So I'm Doug Wartell.
I'm Devin Irby.
I'm Cody Ramon and, don't yell fire in a crowded theater.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Closer.
Better not.
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