July 18, 2025 • 54 mins
What if your greatest strength becomes your biggest obstacle to transformation? Toney Freeman, once known as "The X-Man" in professional bodybuilding, reveals the powerful journey that took him from bodybuilding glory to spiritual awakening.
Toney's story begins with his strict upbringing as a preacher's kid, which established boundaries that would later save him from complete self-destruction. Despite reaching the pinnacles of bodybuilding and entertainment, Tony found himself spiritually empty until a profound physical and spiritual reset changed everything. "I literally doubled my flesh," Toney explains, describing how his body grew from 162 to 323 pounds at his peak, accumulating not just muscle but spiritual baggage along the way.
The turning point came through an unexpected crisis – the discovery of a parasite in his kidney that conventional medicine couldn't treat. Toney describes in vivid detail how divine intervention, alongside fasting, prayer, and natural remedies, led to his dramatic healing and transformation. This experience fundamentally changed his relationship with his body, his approach to fitness, and his spiritual practice.
Fitness enthusiasts will appreciate Toney's surprising insights about muscle function and exercise technique. Contrary to expectations for someone with his massive physique, Tony reveals he typically used low weights with perfect form, explaining that "heavy is relative" and most people sacrifice effectiveness by lifting too heavy. His approach to training mirrors his spiritual philosophy – focus on function rather than appearance, substance over show.
Throughout our conversation, Toney weaves together practical advice on physical health with profound spiritual insights. He offers listeners simple starting points for their own cleansing journey, including fasting protocols and nutrition tips, while emphasizing that true healing must address both physical and spiritual dimensions.
Ready to start your own transformation journey? Connect with Toney on Instagram @tfxman305 or find him on Facebook to learn more about cleansing your temple and aligning your physical health with spiritual wellness.
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Corey Berrier (00:01):
Welcome to the Successful Life Podcast.
I'm your host, Corey Berrier,and I'm here with my good friend
, Toney Freeman.
What's up, brother?
You man, how you doing?
Appreciate you having me on.
We've kept up with each otherquite a bit personally and it's
(00:24):
been so long, tony, I don't evenremember what we talked about
the last time, but so much hashappened in my life and in your
life over the last few yearssince I've known you that some
of these things I want to getinto today and, as I've told you
, the podcast's taken a bitdifferent of a turn.
Told you, the podcast take it abit different of a turn.
(00:47):
We veered away from businessand sales and growing
financially to more along thelines of growing spiritually,
growing personally, developingpersonally, health, fitness, a
lot of things that you can speakabout.
But before we get into it, tony, I highly doubt there's too
many people who don't know whoyou are, but maybe there's a
couple out there.
So give us a little overview ofwho you are and some of the
(01:11):
things that you've done, if youdon't mind.
Toney Freeman (01:14):
Okay cool, Toney Freeman, t-o-n-e-y you can
Google me.
I used to be known as the X-Man.
I guess I still am known as theX-Man from my bodybuilding
career and I'm the oldest of apreacher kid, oldest of four.
I'm a preacher's kid, my mom'sa teacher, and so I had a really
(01:36):
fairly strict upbringing andwhen I was living through it I
was like why are y'all so hardon me?
But as a 58-year-old adult I'mreally grateful for that
structure and that that theytaught me how to be.
(01:56):
What's the word?
The patience and alsotemperance.
So when I got off into my ownand started doing my own thing,
I set mental and spiritualboundaries that I wouldn't go
beyond.
So that kind of kept me out ofthe.
I was right near the flame butI wasn't in the fire.
You know what I'm saying.
So and I basically went throughthat whole lifestyle and
whatnot.
And then I really knew I waschosen from a young kid, like I
(02:21):
say, being in that strictupbringing.
When I left home I wanted toexperience everything.
So I said I'm going toexperience every drug, every
situation that I wanted toexperience, so I can speak from
a place of experience and notjust hearing about it.
So I went and did everything.
I could think of everything,like I say, within my boundaries
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and limits and it all broughtme back to the same thing.
I always tell people weeverything always returns to as
an original state, and Iremember when I was 19, when I
decided to become a bodybuilderI, growing up as a preacher's
kid, I looked at I used to be asinger as well.
So so, singing, bodybuilding,all that is a secular thing,
(03:04):
something that really wasoutside of God, basically, and I
live my life like that, like,in other words, I believed in
God and I feared God, but Iwanted to do my own thing.
So I put God on hold or pause,or whatever you want to call it,
and say I'll be back, I'll beback, I'll be back.
(03:26):
And I went and did my thing, andit's just so funny how I think
I got to the pinnacle ofbodybuilding, the pinnacle of
male dancing, the pinnacle ofeverything that I was doing, and
God just humbled me.
He really like I think in 2001,is when it all really came
together.
I got COVID and I startedbodybuilding, taking
bodybuilding series at 202pounds, and I started
bodybuilding taking bodybuildingseries at 202 pounds, I got
COVID and I ended up going allthe way down to 202 pounds.
(03:49):
So I considered that my factoryreset and God basically said OK
, I've stripped you of all thatless that you acquired.
From 162 pound bodybuilder to323 pounds at my peak weight,
that's literally double.
So I literally doubled my fleshand when god was taking me
(04:09):
through my transformation, aftera lot of prayer and fast and
cleansing, I started reallythinking say, what was that?
What was that other 162 pounds?
It was all the food, all thechemistry, all the women, all
the you know I, the chemistry,all the women, all the you know
what I'm saying Like travelingto all these different countries
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that became a part of my flesh.
And in order for God to reallyuse me, he had to strip me of
all of that.
I literally was.
I remember being on my knees,praying.
I said God removed the desireor the drive or whatever to want
to be like that so I can do theright thing.
And I remember I felt like Iwas dying actually, and I felt
(04:51):
reborn and he literally removedthe parasites I think we got
into that in our last podcastbut just remove those things
from our flesh so I can actuallynot only hear and see what he's
doing, but actually live it andbasically exude it from myself.
So when people see me, they seethat I'm walking with Christ,
(05:14):
they see that I'm.
I literally am a changed man,like all my friends who know me
over the years my family, myfriends, my loved ones.
I confessed all my sins to themwhen I was going through my
whole trial and I repented andthat means a lot of people ask
for forgiveness.
But repentance is different.
Repentance is a different level.
(05:36):
It means you change the way youthink, you change the way you
live to change the way you act.
It's not just I'm not going todo that, no more.
You know what I'm saying.
It's really like looking atthat same.
Those same temptations havenever left.
They all they're in my faceliterally every day and I just
look at it with different eyesnow.
And so that's where I am with myjourney and through business,
(05:59):
through relationships, with myfitness, everything is I'm
living for the kingdom whenbefore I was God-fearing and
love God, but I was living formyself, I was doing what I
wanted to do, and I just have adifferent mindset, a different
attitude and I wake up every daybefore I even my feet, even hit
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the ground.
I pray to the most high.
And I asked him.
I'm like you know, thank you,number one, but number two guide
my steps, guide my hands,everything that I do, my
speaking, my all, everythingthat I do.
I want to put him first andit's just.
It's a really beautiful thing.
It's really a beautiful thing,a beautiful way to be.
Corey Berrier (06:41):
So I think you mentioned you had to walk, talk,
something like that, and Ithink really what you're saying
is you got to put action behindthe things you say you're going
to do.
We in in my recovery program wetalk about you know, we make
living amends.
(07:02):
What that means.
You know.
What that means to me, and it'ssimilar to what you're saying
is that if you're making adecision to smoke weed and you
say, well, I'm going to stopsmoking weed, you have to put
action behind it Instead ofsaying I'm just going to stop
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tomorrow or I'm going to stopnext week or I'm going to stop
eating Twinkies every day orwhatever that is.
Putting the action behind itthen shows.
It actually proves two things.
It proves that now you cantrust yourself.
That's the first thing, becauseif you keep the promises to
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yourself, you'll start keepingthem to other people.
But it's really hard to trust,it's really hard for other
people to trust you and for youto even trust your word with
other people if you can't evenkeep it to yourself.
You've been extremely dedicatedin the fitness world for years
and that dedication is somethingthat I'm a dedicated person and
I'm a disciplined person, but Ican't.
(08:10):
You could walk us through someof the stuff that you had to do
in a disciplinary way to stay atthe top of that bodybuilding
game, really until you wereabout 50 years old.
Right, that was your last show,I think was at 50 years old.
Yep, To think about abodybuilder even stepping on a
stage anywhere near 50 years oldseems absurd to me, but maybe
(08:30):
I'm wrong.
Toney Freeman (08:32):
It was absurd because I was standing on the
left was a 22-year-old and onthe right was a 26-year-old.
I remember being in theelevator with them before the
show and I was just like mychildren are older than y'all.
So it was really crazy.
And, like I say, I was addictedto bodybuilding.
I was addicted to the entireprocess.
(08:54):
I was locked in, probably waymore than most people.
I ended up doing over 70 showsand it was my entire life.
And when I left the sport I Iwas injured, but I could have
left for a little while and cameback.
But when I saw where I wasphysically and spiritually, I
(09:14):
realized that bodybuilding wasliterally holding me back from
being what I really could be.
And again, at 50 years old,even if I won, there's only so
much more you could do.
So I'm glad that I was matureenough to basically leave and
stay gone, although I maycompete next year just because
I'm, just because I can, notbecause I'm in that same mind
(09:35):
frame.
But I'll be 60 next year andit's.
It's one of those things where,physically, I know I can do it.
People, people ask me almostevery day are you getting ready
for a show?
But I'm not.
I'm really like I said, I'mliving for the kingdom and I
want to show people that youcould do it the right way.
You know what I'm saying.
I consider the way that I didit before the right wrong way.
(09:57):
In other words, I did a lot ofthings right to achieve what I
was trying to achieve, but itwas the wrong mindset and I
found I really come to termsthat, if you allow it to,
bodybuilding can be one of thehighest forms of idolatry and
you end up worshiping yourself.
You end up worshiping the imagein the mirror.
Corey Berrier (10:19):
And that's just not the way we were designed to
be.
Toney Freeman (10:21):
So when you talk, go ahead.
No, when you talked about theweed thing, I was addicted to
marijuana and so I went fromsmoking Right, and then I was
like you know what?
I want to be able to trainintensely.
So I need to, like, protect mylungs.
So I bought me a.
I bought me a volcano vaporizerand it's actually a medical
(10:43):
device.
So I felt like, okay, I'm notdoing the damage to my lungs,
even though you know what I'msaying.
And so I did that for 20 years.
And then I said you know what?
I don't even want to do thatanymore.
So when Kelly was going throughher cancer therapy, we started
doing RSO.
So start doing the oil, startdoing the cannabis oil.
And I thought I was like youknow what?
(11:03):
This is really medicine, I'mgood with this, but the one
thing that it still does is getyou high, it gets you stoned.
And I was watching a video oneday and this guy was like he was
like you can't hear God talk toyou when you're intoxicated.
And man, that hit thatliterally hit me like a ton of,
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because when I was going throughmy process, god was really
talking to me.
I like literally can hear himAudibly in my head, like outside
of my thoughts, was you know,I'm saying like a little can
hear that.
And I was just like, wow, Idon't want to not be able to
hear God talking to me, becausewhen he was taking me through my
process, the things he wassaying is literally what saved
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my life, because I heard it andthen I listened to it and I
acted on it and so he proved tome that, yes, this is really me
talking to you and what reallygot me to just say you know what
I can't do it anymore is thelittle things that God asks you
to do.
I'm talking about things thatyou wouldn't even think you know
(12:08):
what I'm saying.
So minuscule that.
But God was like, no, I'm withyou in all things and I want you
to.
I want to be able to trust you.
So when I asked you to dosomething simple then and you
don't do it, then I can't reallytrust you.
So the last time that I guess Ididn't listen.
I was driving home from Columbus, Ohio, columbus, georgia.
(12:30):
I went to a bodybuilding show.
That morning, I was driving 80,90 miles an hour all the way to
the show.
That night, when I left theshow I was in such a good mood.
I said you know what?
I'm just going to chill tonight, I'm not going to drive fast,
I'm just going to take my time.
And I remember getting in thecar and I hear God say turn on,
waze, there's going to be policeout.
(12:51):
And I literally turned to likeGod was sitting in my passenger
seat.
He's like no, I got it, I'mchilling tonight, right, and put
my seatbelt on and drove offand I'm driving like 65, obeying
the speed limit the whole time.
And this camper got in front ofme and I wanted to get around
the camper so I punched him.
I drive a Tesla, so I punchedit, went around the camper
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really quick and the police wassitting right there.
State troopers sitting rightthere pulled me over.
I was doing like 88 miles anhour.
He gave me a ticket for 80miles an hour so I wouldn't get
in trouble and all I could do isjust look at, look in the seat,
like and god was like in allthings, I want you to listen to
me and obey me.
And that right there broke me.
(13:36):
I know that's not.
It's one of those things wherepeople would say oh, that was a
coincidence.
I'm like, well, if you hadheard it, like I heard it, it
was almost like kelly wassitting in the seat with me and
I told her to poopoo it.
You know what I'm saying.
And so Now I listen to everylittle thing that he tells me
and I act on it, and he shows methat, yes, that was me.
And man, my life is just sosweet, I can't really explain it
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.
I pray that everyone gets tothis point of consciousness,
because it really is amazing.
Corey Berrier (14:04):
Everyone gets to this point of consciousness
because it really is amazing.
All right, so I'll verify asimilar story, because I had.
It wasn't the same exact thing,but I was leaving a meeting one
night.
I was still smoking weed oil,like you said.
I'd hit the pin a couple oftimes, so like I wasn't like
blistered high by any stretch,and I'm driving away from the
meeting and I had a conversationwith God about six months
(14:24):
before that and I said, look,the meeting.
And I'd had a conversation withGod about six months before
that and I said, look, I knowI've got to stop this, I'm just
not willing to do it right now.
I am willing, but I'm just notwilling to do it right now.
Verbatim, it's a conversation Ihad and I left that meeting, I
hit that pin twice and I wasdriving about 70 miles an hour
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and I came.
I almost ran a red light, likecompletely.
It was almost like it just cameout of the blue.
I had to slam on brakes and itscared the daylights out of me.
And so I keep going after thelight turns green and the same
exact thing happens with theexact same speed limit.
And at that moment I knew thatwas it.
(15:14):
I knew that God was telling meall right, dude, like you've had
enough time to make yourdecision and to be willing, if
you don't do something about itright now, you're going to get
that third strike and you're notgoing to really like that.
And so I know, for me in mylife, I don't need that third
strike.
So I tossed it out the windowand that was March 26, 2023.
And I haven't had.
I haven't had any cannabissince then.
(15:35):
So it was a very similar storyto what you're talking about.
Hang on, all right.
So my point there is like Idon't, sometimes I don't listen
when I need to listen, but mostof the time.
(15:57):
At this point, especially afterthat incident, I've been
completely clean and sober sincethen and I pray every day.
Every morning I get hit myknees and I think, and every
night and I think that I thinkhitting my knees is it humbles
me because I don't really wantto do it, because I feel like I
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shouldn't have to do it.
But there's a difference in myconversation with God when I hit
my knees than when I don't.
If I lay in the bed and pray Iknow it's a half-hearted
conversation, but if I hit myknees I'm connected, not really
to the earth, because I'm in ahouse, but it feels like I'm
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connected in a way that helps meto be able to communicate in a
different way with God.
Toney Freeman (16:49):
Awesome, awesome, I like that.
I like that.
I pray mostly because Imeditate the same way, laying on
my back with my palms facing up, and I'm completely relaxed and
I pause, I don't know, forquite a few minutes before I
even start to pray, and I liketo have conversations like that
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and I get a response.
Sometimes I pray on my knees,but most of the time because I'm
walking with God all the time.
Now, you know what I'm sayingLike, in other words, it's like
a companion.
You know what I mean and Idon't if people really, if you
really look at it, god doesn'tneed our worship.
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You know what I'm saying?
It's like he really doesn't.
So I like, I think it's thewalk, I think it's the
companionship and not knocking,bowing or kneeling or anything
like that.
I'm just saying I don't thinkit's a requirement to get the
job done.
I think if that's what youchoose to do, then that's what
you choose to do.
I want to be.
I want God to tell me listen, Inever used to take God to the
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gym with me.
That was my idol time.
That was me worshiping myselfin the mirror man.
Now I, that was my idol time.
That was me worshiping myselfin the mirror, man.
Now I asked god to come to thegym and show me what to do in
the gym, bro, and he does.
Bro, it's so crazy, he told me.
I said you, you need to startlifting free weights again,
because after you I went sevenyears without training.
So when you come back in thegym it literally feels like
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you're tearing stuff.
It's just like horrible.
So I stuck to machines.
I tried to do as little aspossible and over time I started
building up and God was likeit's time to start doing free
weights again, because when youlift free weights, not only are
you working your muscles, you'reworking your central nervous
system and your tendons andligaments.
When you do machines, you'rejust applying force.
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The machine is going to do thesame thing for everyone.
As a skilled athlete, you canmake it.
You can get a better resultthan the average person, but in
reality, the machine is designedto do that thing.
Well, when you lift freeweights, it's you're controlling
the weight and all the anglesand all the movements, and so
I've been doing that for thelast probably three weeks and,
man, it's amazing and I reallyliterally thank God for nudging
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me in that direction, because Iwas avoiding it like the plague.
I haven't squatted since 2016.
So now I'm squatting every weekand I'm back up to 20 reps.
Of course, I'm using lightweight, but the point is, I'm
doing the movement and I'mgetting that reconnection again.
Corey Berrier (19:21):
So I think if anybody I know that a lot of
people listen to this it's alsogoing to be.
I got post these on YouTube andif you see Tony's arms, they're
massive.
If you ever seen a picture ofToney when he was competing,
he's just the most massive humanbeing I've probably ever come
across.
So one would think that youlift massively heavy weights.
(19:45):
But I'm pretty sure you told mea story one time about where
you were.
You went out of the country andwon't have to go into the deep
details of it.
But you went out of the countryand a guy handed you I think it
was a 25-pound weight to liftwhich, by the size, of you.
Toney Freeman (20:03):
It was a 15.
15-pound weight.
Corey Berrier (20:06):
All right, so walk us through what your
thoughts are on whether peopleshould be lifting heavy weight
and pros and cons, and whetherthey should be lifting how you?
Yeah, just give us a bit of acontext there.
Toney Freeman (20:18):
So I know that there's all kinds of studies in
science and whatnot, but thereality is, heavy is relative.
You know what I'm saying.
Every body part has a differentthreshold of how much weight it
can handle uh, with qualityreps and in perfect form.
And so your legs can handle alot more weight than, say, your
(20:39):
biceps.
You know what I'm saying.
So that's why I adjust theweight according to what it
feels like and if, in reality,if no one put the little numbers
on the side, you would neverknow how much weight you're
lifting.
In other words, you can't closeyour eyes and grab the 50 or
the 60 until you could tell oneis heavier than the other, but
you can't tell that it's a 50 or60.
(21:01):
You understand what I'm saying,sure?
So I think if people wouldtrain for the feel, form and
function, learn the function ofthe muscle, I used to do
seminars all the time and Iwould ask people.
They would ask me how do you getyour arm so big?
Because they see me liftingwith the 15s and the 20s and
they think I'm maybe justwarming up.
I'm like, no, this is what Iactually use.
(21:22):
And I always I tell them, I sayyou know what's the function of
the bicep?
And I get a blank stare like noone really knows.
And I I'm like well, if youdidn't have biceps, how would
you eat?
You would have to bring yourface to the food like a dog.
Well, your biceps bring yourfood or things towards your face
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.
You know what I'm saying andthat's their function.
So if you take your hands andhold them out to your side and
bring them towards your face,you feel your bicep contract.
So all you do is add resistanceto that.
And where you know it's tooheavy is when you have to use
other muscles to actually getyour hand to come to your face.
So that's how you determine howmuch you can actually curl is
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by holding on to the dumbbell,first, starting with no weight,
and then add 10 and 15.
Most people is going to beabout 15 pounds before they have
to engage their front delt tolift.
And so once you learn how tolift the 15 pound dumbbell with
your biceps, now you can go tothe 17s and the 20s, but I'm
still.
I think 30 is probably my limit, but I could probably curl 90.
(22:29):
You know what I'm saying.
Corey Berrier (22:31):
All right.
So let me ask you this.
So when you so, I was literallytelling Maddi this you met
Maddie at Nick's wedding and Iwas explaining to her this
morning because I used to train,meet a trainer, and I was
telling her we were workingchest, which, as a female a lot
of females don't work chest alot and I was explaining to her
because the amount of weightthat I put on there, if it
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doesn't need to be a struggle,because if you visualize those
pecs squeezing that weight right, if you visualize that area
that you're trying to work, yourfocus will be on that area
you're trying to work.
Does that make sense?
Is that something that you alsodo so?
Toney Freeman (23:17):
the function of the pecs?
Right, they move really, yourreally your elbows, but your arm
, your whole arm, is connected,so they move them in and out, up
and down.
So in order for them to go up,you have to use your deltoid.
So really it's a more of an inand out situation.
So when you take your hands andbring them together, you feel
your chest work, and then youcan do it down low, you can do
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it up high.
You know what I'm saying.
So that's what their job is.
And so now you just find aweight.
Once you know that, you find aweight that you can actually do
that without using,incorporating any other muscle,
now, when you use compoundmovements, you need to actually
put your chest in the primarymover position.
So you squeeze your shoulderblades together, which takes
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your shoulders out of it.
So now your shoulders are insupport mode and your triceps
are the secondary movers.
And so now you just you gotyour shoulder blades pinched
together and now you bring yourelbows forward and that flexes
your pec.
You're doing a fly.
It flexes your pec.
So that's really and like I sayfor legs, your quads are to
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straighten your legs out.
It's like it's the version ofyour triceps.
Your quads are to straightenyour legs out.
It's like it's the version ofyour triceps.
Your hamstring is to bring yourfoot towards your butt.
You see what I'm saying.
So if you focus on the functionfirst, then you'll end up
finding the right weight andthen you'll get stronger and
stronger.
And that's what progressiveoverload is.
Progressive overload doesn'tmean just add another plate.
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You know what I'm saying.
It's find the weight that youcan use in perfect form, perfect
function, and thenprogressively add weight as you
get stronger.
Corey Berrier (24:50):
All right, so let's get into.
I don't know if we covered theparasite situation last time or
not, but it's been so long.
I think it's important thatyou're the.
I don't know if you're ananomaly story.
I don't know if this is anormal story but it's a very
interesting story that you haveexperienced personally about
(25:15):
having a parasite in your body,and I don't care how graphic you
get get as graphic as you wantbut I think it's important for
people to hear what you wentthrough.
Toney Freeman (25:27):
Okay, so my last contest was the Arnold Classic
in 2016.
And people know thatbodybuilders, they use diuretics
.
So I went to start to do mydiuretics and I'm a micro-dose
type of dude.
I was using diazide which islike 25 milligrams.
(25:48):
It's a capsule.
I would open up the capsule andthen I would divide the powder
into four sections.
I'm basically doing sevenmilligrams, something like that,
six and a half milligrams at atime.
So I do the first littlesegment and, bro, I must've peed
like 22 times.
(26:09):
I started counting them afterlike 10.
I was just like, wait a minute,what is going on?
So that's all I did and I peedlike 22 times.
I was like something's notright.
I ended up getting last placeat the show and I was like you
know what?
Something's going on with me.
I already had a soft tissueinjury.
So I said, until I find outwhat's going on with me, I'm not
(26:29):
going to compete anymore.
And I think I'm pretty sure Itold a couple of people, but I
know I said it out loud.
So I was supposed to do anappearance a few weeks later
after that show and it was inUtah.
So a friend of mine who Italked to, this guy, maybe once
a year, something like that, andhe calls me out of the blue and
(26:52):
he was like I saw on theInternet, you're going to Utah.
You should go see this guy.
His name was Joe, joe Prelie.
He has a machine that can tellyou everything that's going on
with your body.
And I'm saying to myself I'mjust like, okay, that was just
struck me very weird because Ididn't know where that was
(27:12):
coming from at the time.
So I go to utah and I meet joe,I go into his office and he
sits me down.
He, he puts these little thingson my wrist.
Well, no, I'll take that back.
Before I went, before I went togo see joe, I went to a
naturopath here in town and hesaid tony, you're, I hate, I
don't.
(27:32):
I know this might sound weird.
He said but you're malnutrition, you have, you're deficient in
a bunch of different nutrients.
And I was just like, okay, I'mlike, I'm like I'm eating seven
meals a day.
How the hell am I malnutrition?
That was the weirdest thing.
And so he said you also have aparasite in your kidney.
I was like, okay, what kind isit?
He said I don't know what kindit is.
So he gave me some herbs andsent me on my way.
(27:55):
So a couple weeks later I'm outthere sitting in Joe's chair,
chair joe puts this little it'slike it looks like headphones,
but it's not on your temples andI'm looking at a screen that
has an image of a human body andit starts scanning my body and
I'm.
He's talking to me, I'm lookingat him.
But then I started looking atthe screen because all the
(28:15):
things that I know is wrong withme like my pec tear, my
something in my neck, my kidneyshowed up or I have have slight
arthritis in my right knee, andso all those things popped up on
the screen without me sayinganything.
And so after the scan, hestarts telling me everything
about myself.
He started asking me questionshave you ever been to this
country?
Have you ever been to thiscountry?
And I'm like yeah.
(28:37):
And he's like.
He said I see you were verypromiscuous.
And I'm looking at him like Ihaven't told this man nothing.
How do you know my life?
What the heck?
It was freaking me out.
So, anyway, I was like well.
I said well, maybe it issomething to this.
I said this doctor told me Ihad a parasite in my kidney.
Can you check my kidney out.
So he clicked on my kidney andhe said your kidney function is
(29:01):
fine.
He said it's a little stressedbut it's fine, and he so he did
like a cross section and theseon the scan.
It has a bunch of differentcolors.
Green is good and black is bad,and goes from green to yellow
to orange, to red to blue oh,you know all the way to black.
So in the bottom of my kidneythe kidney shaped like that down
in the bottom was the blackspot.
He clicks on the black spot,this long word pops out.
(29:24):
So I googled the word and it'sa kidney worm.
And it says right next to ithow do you get these?
How do you get this parasite?
And it says eating raw seafoodor fish.
And I have been eating 8 to 12ounces of raw tuna every single
day for like six months straight, and so in that moment I was
like I can't even be mad becausethat's exactly how you get them
(29:44):
.
And so of course I'm tripping,because if you continue to
Google, you'll see that there'sno real cure for it.
You have to figure out how tokill the worm, or they take the
kidney.
And so that's what put me on mymajor trick to really learn
number one, how to identifyparasites and how to kill them.
(30:07):
And so, like I said, a lot ofprayer, fasting, herbs.
Now I use ivermectin andpembendazole and methylene blue
and stuff like that, but backthen I didn't really know about
that.
I heard about it but I didn'treally know about it.
So I just did a lot of prayerfasting and herbs Towards the
end, like 18 months later.
(30:27):
It took a long time too,because it's in cycles.
I had been releasing otherparasites but I still had this
kidney worm.
So I stumbled across.
This lady was talking aboutusing pure gum spirits,
turpentine, to kill bad bugs inyour body.
And gum spirits turpentine is apure spirit.
(30:48):
It's it's distilled pine sapand so it's a clean spirit.
And so alcohol is a dirtyspirit.
It's an evil spirit.
So I basically how you do itand I don't recommend this to
anyone, especially if youhaven't done all the other
things first.
It's like this is like the lastthing that you do and you take
like three sugar cubes.
(31:09):
You first you got to fast forlike three or four days.
That makes the parasite reallyweak and hungry.
You take the sugar cube, youput the turpentine on there and
you eat the sugar cube and youcan literally feel them coming
to get the sugar and thenrunning away from the turpentine
.
I'm praying and fasting and I'mpraying to God.
I'm like I said Father, youhave to remove this from my
(31:32):
flesh.
I said I don't want to beasking for forgiveness for the
same sins over and over again.
I said, please remove it frommy flesh so I can do better.
And in the moment of me praying, I felt this squeezing
sensation in my kidney.
Now, your kidneys aren'tsupposed to flex a smooth muscle
, but I literally felt likesomething, like it squeezed,
like it flexed, like a cramp.
(31:53):
Almost the next morning I getup and I'm still praying, I'm
still in the spirit, and I go tothe bathroom to use the
restroom and I'm standing thereurinating and I feel this
sensation like I got struck bylightning and that worm came out
into the toilet.
It was mind blowing to numberone go through that entire
(32:16):
process, pray for it to beremoved from my flesh.
And then God showed me otherthings, talking to me and I'm
listening and I'm obeying.
That's how I ended up in thebathroom in the first place.
And then it just came out andlike I literally felt like a new
person, like I literally havebeen a different person since
that moment and I just am sograteful and like now, I help
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people with parasites and allkinds of things.
I'm not a doctor and I don't.
Your body can heal itself.
You just have to do the work.
You have to do the right thingsto put it in and it's right and
so cause it was trying to getto homostasis anyway.
So it's, and most people theydon't want to do the work.
That's why they run to thedoctor for a prescription or
whatever and they don't want toconfess or face their sins.
(33:02):
We all know that everythingthat happens to us you did it,
you did it, you know what I'msaying like, and that's how you
heal yourself is facing the factthat I did this to myself.
Now, the only way.
The reason why people haveparasites is because when you
come in contact with them orexposed to them, you willingly
take them into your body,whether it be from eating or
(33:25):
your skin, but usually it's from.
What we put in our mouths iswhere they really come from.
If you have pets, you touchyour pet, then you eat something
later.
That's how you actually getthem and because you do it
willingly, that gives thempermission to proliferate in
your body.
It's like when you cleanse yourtemple.
The Bible says the temple is, isthat's where the Holy spirit
(33:47):
dwells.
Right, so, but the evil spirit,so the evil energy, dwells in
the filth in your temples.
So if you want to get right, ifyou want to get spiritual, if
you want to be healed, you haveto cleanse your temple first and
I always start people on adetox and then we want to
replenish all the nutrients thatwe lose, because that's another
(34:08):
reason why you get sick isbecause your body doesn't have
the nutrients to fuel yourimmune system to to hold off
whatever it is that's attackingyou.
So it's like it's a whole.
It's a whole process and, likeI say it, fairly simple, but
it's not easy at all and it'snonstop.
It's always continued.
I tell people all the time Ilive in a constant state of
(34:30):
detox because I know I'mconstantly coming in contact
with invaders.
Corey Berrier (34:36):
So for people that are listening, I think I'm
curious.
So how and I've seen thepicture, so I know what you're
telling me is 100% the truth butthe folks listening just give
us an idea.
Like, when you talk about thisparasite, are we talking about
an inch?
We talking about six inches?
Like, how big are we talkingabout?
Toney Freeman (34:54):
So you remember big league tube.
Corey Berrier (34:57):
Oh yeah.
Toney Freeman (34:57):
All right.
So those pink strands it wasabout the size of two of those
put together.
Corey Berrier (35:04):
So about four or five inches long.
Toney Freeman (35:07):
Yeah, at least, maybe, at least I have pictures
of parasites 14, 15 inches long,but that particular one was
about it almost.
It was like it looked just likea piece of big leek chew, it
was mangled and whatnot.
It was, oh it was.
Uh, bro, unbelievable,unbelievable and I really
(35:29):
believe, like I say, the thingsthat you do, like when you do it
, when you do wrong and it'swrong to you, you know it's
wrong, but you do it anywayright that's that evil energy
that's in your flesh, because ifyou think about it, if you're a
pure human, you would never doanything to harm yourself or
anyone else for that matter.
Right, you know what I'm saying.
(35:49):
So when you do things likesmoking, weed, drinking,
whatever it is and I'm notknocking it because I've done it
to the with the best of them,you know what.
You know.
You're doing something againstyour humanity.
You know you are and you do itbecause you want to do it, and
you have to realize that ispartially you.
But it's also the influence ofthat outside energy.
Corey Berrier (36:11):
Oh yeah, that's right and I think that's the
interesting thing.
You say the influence ofoutside energy, and I think our
minds get influenced by a lot ofthings that are outside of
ourselves and I think a lot offolks, including even me
sometimes will becomeunconscious to some of these
(36:35):
things.
I'll give you just a classicexample.
If you get caught up in everylittle thing that politicians
are doing everything is goingwrong in the world and you feed
into that stuff on social mediaand you consume that information
daily, eventually it'll consumeyou.
(36:59):
Oh 100%, 100%.
Toney Freeman (37:03):
They will control your.
You know, when I see people youknow with politics and all that
type of stuff, like you don'treally care, you're focused on
paying your bills and what'sgoing on in your household, so
you don't really care.
But because it's plucking onyour strings and then someone
else, you listen to them and nowyou want to be combative, or
(37:27):
just you know what I'm saying.
And that's how you you stillthere I am here now.
Corey Berrier (37:34):
I'm not sure what happened there, but I am back
oh, oh, gotta plug it up for aminute.
Toney Freeman (37:42):
You still hear me , all right yeah, I can still
hear you, yep okay, cool, butyeah, so really, like I say like
going through the presidentialelection, all this stuff, I was
over in Dubai when we droppedthe bombs on Iran and of course
I'm here in the news andeverybody over there is over
here, is going crazy, and overthere it's just Tuesday, it's
(38:05):
just.
You know, I'm saying it's likethe difference between what's
important to this group ofpeople or that group of people.
I think people need to do a lotmore research and not Google.
I'm not saying don't use Google, I'm just saying go get the
basics and Google and then digfurther, cause a lot of this
stuff is hidden from us.
(38:26):
It's there but it's hidden, soyou have to seek it out.
Most people just they read thefirst few things and they run
with it and I'm just like man,that's what they know, you're
going to do so.
Corey Berrier (38:39):
That's why they put it out there like that.
That's right, yeah, and a lotof that, I think, is your own.
I think, and I think this iswhere psychedelics in the past
have helped me, and I believe inmy relationship with God.
I went and did ayahuasca acouple of times in 2020.
And ever since then, it's veryapparent to me when there's a
(39:04):
distraction in the government orthere's a distraction in the
world, it's very apparent to methat's not really what I should
be looking at.
That's the distraction.
It's the thing that they wantyou to look at, to focus on, and
I don't really know what'sgoing on otherwise.
I just know that something elseis going on that they want you
to look at, to focus on, and Idon't really know what's going
on Otherwise.
I just know that something elseis going on that they don't
want me to see.
It's been proven.
Toney Freeman (39:22):
So if you look at , I'm 58,.
If you look at history, so Ican go all the way back to
Martin Luther King, 68, 66.
So Martin Luther King, thenafter that it was Vietnam, then
after that it was Vietnam, thenafter that it was the Watergate,
and then after that it was.
You know what I'm saying.
And if you go now, because youhave to understand, after 20
(39:45):
years they just let it out youcan go find out what the real
truth is.
You go all the way back toVietnam and find out that it was
started because the Bay ofTonkin they were out there and
they said that they fired on theAmerican ships when in reality
they were shooting at flyingfish.
That's literally how theyjumped it off.
You know what I'm saying.
And I'm just like, if you, likeI said, if you go, dig all the
(40:08):
things that they've ever put outthere, especially the stuff
that they push they call themfalse flags or whatever if you
go find out the real truth.
That was all a lie.
But it's too late now nobodycares.
Number one.
But whatever their agenda was,they've already pushed it over.
And so you got people on theirdeathbeds confessing yeah, the
moon landings wasn't real, blah,blah.
(40:29):
All those, all that type ofstuff that that molded our whole
country.
Yeah, all lies, bro.
I don't think there's ever beenany truth in any of it.
Notice how recently all thestuff that's happened.
It just goes away, hold up.
We was really about to get in afight over that and now it's
(40:49):
just gone.
You know what I'm saying?
Now there really are bombingGaza and all that type of stuff.
But what I'm saying is thebasis of it is the lie.
They're doing that to keep up,keep it going.
But the bait, it's a lie, it'sall money, it's all manipulation
.
Every war has always beenfunded by the same, both sides
funded by the same banks.
(41:10):
It's just crazy, bro, andthat's why I say Even in
religion, you have all thesedifferent religions.
In Catholics, you've got to gothrough the Pope and Mother Mary
.
In Buddha, you've got to gothrough Buddha.
In Christian, you've got to gothrough Jesus and all these
things.
But the kingdom of God iswithin you and if you really
(41:33):
realize that, the Christconsciousness will allow you to
understand.
Wait a minute, I've got to fixthis first.
I can't go outside of me to fixthis.
This has to happen within you.
Just think about it.
If everyone did that, all of asudden this whole world would
flip.
It would be completelydifferent.
The outside sources, theoutside forces is worth keeping
(41:57):
everybody in dark and madness.
To be honest with you, that'sright.
Corey Berrier (42:01):
And it's like the mask scenario with the plane If
I'm not fixed, if I'm notspiritually fit, there is
nothing I can do for anybodyelse.
There's nothing I can do forright.
Toney Freeman (42:16):
Other than lead them astray, because of my laws.
Corey Berrier (42:18):
There's nothing I can do for Right.
Toney Freeman (42:20):
Other than lead them astray, Because you're lost
.
That's right.
If you're lost, you can't saveanyone.
You hear people say no one'scoming to save you because they
can't.
That's right.
No one can save you.
You have to recognize I am afraction of the Most High, the
prime creator, the real.
The first sentence in the Bible, not the King James Version,
(42:42):
I'm talking about the originaltext.
It says the father of thebeginnings created the Elohim,
the heavens and the earth.
Now, what is the Elohim?
The Elohim is all the littleg's, and all the little g's help
create all this stuff.
You see what I'm saying.
So the source, the prime creator, is the one.
(43:05):
And then like that's, like Isay that's why there's so many
different religions is becausethey are.
It's the source.
And then the fractions, andthen another fraction and
another fraction.
We're millennia of fractions ofGod, but it still comes from
the same source.
That way, when you tap in andyou recognize and realize and it
becomes personal with you, nowyou can manipulate your reality
(43:29):
Because you're a creator.
You're creating this image.
You're a creator, so you cancreate your own reality.
But you won't be able to createit if you're waiting on someone
image.
You're a creator so you couldcreate your own reality.
But you won't be able to createit if you're waiting on someone
else to show you the way that'sright you gotta cleanse your
temple.
You gotta cleanse your temple,you gotta meditate.
And most people say I can'tmeditate, I can't quiet my mind,
you're not doing it long enough, even if you fall asleep.
(43:52):
You know what I'm saying,because when you first start
trying to do it, you won't beable to do it.
It's so hard.
But you got to keep trying andkeep trying and eventually
you'll quiet your mind.
First of all, the reason whyyou can't quiet your mind is
because your temple is pollutedand the demons is making noise
the parasites and demons everytime.
Think about it Before you go tobed at night.
(44:12):
You want a snack, you want toeat something.
You never go choose somethinggood for you.
You always want to eatsomething.
You know why?
It's because the bugs want thatfor dinner.
They're getting ready to have aparty, so they want party snack
.
They want party food.
You try to go to sleep.
They're up doing their thing.
That's just how the cycle oflife works and you can't get rid
(44:33):
of all of them.
But once you cleanse your templeand you start raising your
frequency with good nutrition,they can't really do too much.
Then you can meditate.
It's a process.
You got to go through a process.
It's not a light switch, you'renot going to be able to go.
You know what I'm gonna dobetter, I'm gonna stop whatever.
And no, it's not like that.
You have to really look inwithin, cleanse your temple, and
(44:54):
then it'll come to you and it'sa journey.
Like I say, it was 18 monthsfor me to get to the beginning
of my journey and then I've hadseveral other situations where,
like I said, I thought it wasover.
I thought I was good.
It's just the beginning,especially when it comes to
parasites.
They're in layers.
It's just the beginning,especially when it comes to
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parasites.
They're in layers.
You have the current ones, butyou have what they call them.
They call them what they callthem.
They call them established.
They've been there since youwas a kid, when you play in the
mud, puddles and the creeks andall that.
Those parasites been with youfor your whole life.
They're a part of yourmicrobiome.
(45:37):
Like I said earlier, whenyou're born, you're 90% human
and you're 10% microbiome.
When you die, you're less than10% human and you're 90, 95%
microbiome.
In other words, everything thatyou've collected over your
decades, over your life, thatbecame your flesh.
Corey Berrier (45:56):
Including experiences.
Toney Freeman (45:58):
Your experiences, your food.
Think about it, all thesepeople.
There's a generation of peoplewho have never eaten
non-ultra-processed food,they've never had whole food,
they've never had organic, freshfrom the garden.
Man, that's crazy when youthink about it.
And then you look at thecondition of everyone, right,
(46:19):
and then it makes sense.
Corey Berrier (46:22):
It does make sense.
Well, Tony, I know we'regetting close to getting out of
time here.
I think I just want to finishup with.
If people are listening to thisand they do want to make a
transformation in their lifemaybe they don't have parasites,
Maybe they do Where's a goodplace for them to start?
Maybe they just want to loseweight, Maybe they just want to
get a little bit healthier.
(46:43):
Where would you suggest themstart?
In the gym.
Toney Freeman (46:47):
First of all, we are mammals, so all mammals have
parasites.
There's no way to escape it.
The difference is your immunesystem keeps them at bay or
under control.
So I would tell people to startwith a basic 24-hour fast.
That's going to really tell you.
If you fast for 24 hours,you're going to learn a lot
(47:10):
about yourself.
Something really simple thatyou could do that will kill a
lot of parasites yourself.
Something really simple thatyou could do that will kill a
lot of parasites.
And if you have a reaction oryou will have a reaction you
could get something like celeryjuice.
So, celery, go, get you liketwo or three stalks of bunches
of celery juice it first thingin the morning.
Drink it.
The salts in there actuallyactivate your liver to push
(47:34):
those liver flukes.
Almost everybody has liverflukes.
Almost everybody has worms.
It's just how bad it is.
You either have a little biteither you know what I'm saying
or a lot.
So I would do something likethat.
You can always reach out to meon Instagram or Facebook or
whatever.
I love coaching people throughthis stuff.
I like to do a littleconsultation.
(47:57):
I had a guy this guy that I'mtraining in Dubai he called me.
He was like hey, man, I needyou to, I need you to help my
boss out.
He's really in pain, blah, blah, blah.
So I get on the phone with himand I say, well, just tell me
about your day, tell me aboutyour life.
So he starts talking and withinthree minutes I was like bro,
you got bugs.
And he was like you know what?
That makes sense Because I hadH Pylori back in the day.
(48:21):
He said I think it came back.
I said well, I'm going to writeyou out a protocol and send it
to you.
So we hung up the phone andthen I went to a friend of
mine's house and he was like man, I'm going to Dubai tomorrow.
I was like you're going toDubai tomorrow.
He said I want you to introduceme to some of your friends over
(48:41):
there because I know you haveconnections.
So I called my guy andintroduced him, gave that him
exchange phone numbers and thenI left my man's house and then a
dude from Dubai called me.
He's like hey, man, you knowthe guy who you helped on the
phone.
Vi called me.
He's like hey, man, you knowthat guy who you helped on the
phone.
He's like he's over this wholeinvestment group that we have.
And I was like shoot, I saidI'm going, I need to come see, I
(49:02):
need to come meet him in person.
So the couple of days beforethat I looked at the plane
tickets and they were like twogrand and I was like, well, I
don't have no reason to go, I'mnot going to just go for nothing
.
But that day they were on salefor 900 bucks.
So I bought me a ticket, flewover there with my buddy, met
the guy.
I took him some, a bunch ofherbs and stuff and literally
the next day he said he feltlike a million bucks.
(49:24):
So I was able to go over theremeet him in person, introduce
both of those two guys together.
So, like I say, when god tellsme to move, not only does he,
when he tells you to move, he'sgoing to open up the doors for
you.
And, like I say, the next day,when I looked at the plane
tickets, they was back to twothousand dollars.
So it was one of those thingswhere I needed to go meet this
(49:45):
guy in person.
I like to lay hands on people.
Like you know me, I like tomeet people in person.
So I really get energy and Iwas able to help that guy.
So that's going to turn into alot of really cool things.
But, like I say, I'm walking in, I'm living in my purpose, I'm
I'm having a personalrelationship with the most high
(50:07):
and I I feel good about it.
It's all I really want to do.
And it's weird because I'm notreligious at all.
I don't't.
I was raised Seventh-dayAdventist, so we went to church
every week.
But I'm trying to tell peopleI'm not telling you not to go to
church, I'm just saying you arethe temple, so you are the
temple first.
You can go to whatever churchyou want, but make sure, when
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you're going there, that you'realready you know what I'm saying
that God is already with you.
You're not going to meet him.
I'm going to meet you at church.
No, you take him with you tochurch.
So that's what I would tell.
I tell people cleanse yourtemple and, like I say, start
with fasting.
Like I say, one day you don'thave to do nothing crazy, but if
you go without food for one day, you're going to learn celery
(50:56):
juice and you'll meet a bunch ofyour friends that you've been
harboring and carrying around.
And, like I say, if you want togo further than that, then you
can reach out to me and I'llhelp you out so where can people
find you?
either on facebook or instagramor both instagram is tfxman305
and then Facebook is TonyFreeman, and I'm building a
(51:18):
website.
I decided that I'm going tobuild a website that has
everything that I do in oneplace.
That way, when we have theseconversations, people can just
go to the site and then findwhat they're looking for.
Corey Berrier (51:30):
So alright, well cool, he should be done soon,
tonyxfreeman, wouldn't you?
Toney Freeman (51:34):
think it's going to be out.
It should be done soon, as TonyX Freeman is.
Corey Berrier (51:38):
dot com is what it's going to be, so perfect All
right brother, thank you,appreciate you, Thank you, I
appreciate you big time.
Yeah, man.
Toney Freeman (51:45):
All right, talk soon.
Corey Berrier (51:47):
Yes, sir, bye, bye.
Welcome to the Successful Life Podcast.
I'm your host, Corey Berrier,and I'm here with my good friend
, Toney Freeman.
What's up, brother?
You man, how you doing?
Appreciate you having me on.
We've kept up with each otherquite a bit personally and it's
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been so long, tony, I don't evenremember what we talked about
the last time, but so much hashappened in my life and in your
life over the last few yearssince I've known you that some
of these things I want to getinto today and, as I've told you
, the podcast's taken a bitdifferent of a turn.
Told you, the podcast take it abit different of a turn.
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We veered away from businessand sales and growing
financially to more along thelines of growing spiritually,
growing personally, developingpersonally, health, fitness, a
lot of things that you can speakabout.
But before we get into it, tony, I highly doubt there's too
many people who don't know whoyou are, but maybe there's a
couple out there.
So give us a little overview ofwho you are and some of the
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things that you've done, if youdon't mind.
Toney Freeman (01:14):
Okay cool, Toney Freeman, t-o-n-e-y you can
Google me.
I used to be known as the X-Man.
I guess I still am known as theX-Man from my bodybuilding
career and I'm the oldest of apreacher kid, oldest of four.
I'm a preacher's kid, my mom'sa teacher, and so I had a really
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fairly strict upbringing andwhen I was living through it I
was like why are y'all so hardon me?
But as a 58-year-old adult I'mreally grateful for that
structure and that that theytaught me how to be.
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What's the word?
The patience and alsotemperance.
So when I got off into my ownand started doing my own thing,
I set mental and spiritualboundaries that I wouldn't go
beyond.
So that kind of kept me out ofthe.
I was right near the flame butI wasn't in the fire.
You know what I'm saying.
So and I basically went throughthat whole lifestyle and
whatnot.
And then I really knew I waschosen from a young kid, like I
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say, being in that strictupbringing.
When I left home I wanted toexperience everything.
So I said I'm going toexperience every drug, every
situation that I wanted toexperience, so I can speak from
a place of experience and notjust hearing about it.
So I went and did everything.
I could think of everything,like I say, within my boundaries
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and limits and it all broughtme back to the same thing.
I always tell people weeverything always returns to as
an original state, and Iremember when I was 19, when I
decided to become a bodybuilderI, growing up as a preacher's
kid, I looked at I used to be asinger as well.
So so, singing, bodybuilding,all that is a secular thing,
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something that really wasoutside of God, basically, and I
live my life like that, like,in other words, I believed in
God and I feared God, but Iwanted to do my own thing.
So I put God on hold or pause,or whatever you want to call it,
and say I'll be back, I'll beback, I'll be back.
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And I went and did my thing, andit's just so funny how I think
I got to the pinnacle ofbodybuilding, the pinnacle of
male dancing, the pinnacle ofeverything that I was doing, and
God just humbled me.
He really like I think in 2001,is when it all really came
together.
I got COVID and I startedbodybuilding, taking
bodybuilding series at 202pounds, and I started
bodybuilding taking bodybuildingseries at 202 pounds, I got
COVID and I ended up going allthe way down to 202 pounds.
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So I considered that my factoryreset and God basically said OK
, I've stripped you of all thatless that you acquired.
From 162 pound bodybuilder to323 pounds at my peak weight,
that's literally double.
So I literally doubled my fleshand when god was taking me
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through my transformation, aftera lot of prayer and fast and
cleansing, I started reallythinking say, what was that?
What was that other 162 pounds?
It was all the food, all thechemistry, all the women, all
the you know I, the chemistry,all the women, all the you know
what I'm saying Like travelingto all these different countries
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that became a part of my flesh.
And in order for God to reallyuse me, he had to strip me of
all of that.
I literally was.
I remember being on my knees,praying.
I said God removed the desireor the drive or whatever to want
to be like that so I can do theright thing.
And I remember I felt like Iwas dying actually, and I felt
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reborn and he literally removedthe parasites I think we got
into that in our last podcastbut just remove those things
from our flesh so I can actuallynot only hear and see what he's
doing, but actually live it andbasically exude it from myself.
So when people see me, they seethat I'm walking with Christ,
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they see that I'm.
I literally am a changed man,like all my friends who know me
over the years my family, myfriends, my loved ones.
I confessed all my sins to themwhen I was going through my
whole trial and I repented andthat means a lot of people ask
for forgiveness.
But repentance is different.
Repentance is a different level.
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It means you change the way youthink, you change the way you
live to change the way you act.
It's not just I'm not going todo that, no more.
You know what I'm saying.
It's really like looking atthat same.
Those same temptations havenever left.
They all they're in my faceliterally every day and I just
look at it with different eyesnow.
And so that's where I am with myjourney and through business,
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through relationships, with myfitness, everything is I'm
living for the kingdom whenbefore I was God-fearing and
love God, but I was living formyself, I was doing what I
wanted to do, and I just have adifferent mindset, a different
attitude and I wake up every daybefore I even my feet, even hit
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the ground.
I pray to the most high.
And I asked him.
I'm like you know, thank you,number one, but number two guide
my steps, guide my hands,everything that I do, my
speaking, my all, everythingthat I do.
I want to put him first andit's just.
It's a really beautiful thing.
It's really a beautiful thing,a beautiful way to be.
Corey Berrier (06:41):
So I think you mentioned you had to walk, talk,
something like that, and Ithink really what you're saying
is you got to put action behindthe things you say you're going
to do.
We in in my recovery program wetalk about you know, we make
living amends.
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What that means.
You know.
What that means to me, and it'ssimilar to what you're saying
is that if you're making adecision to smoke weed and you
say, well, I'm going to stopsmoking weed, you have to put
action behind it Instead ofsaying I'm just going to stop
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tomorrow or I'm going to stopnext week or I'm going to stop
eating Twinkies every day orwhatever that is.
Putting the action behind itthen shows.
It actually proves two things.
It proves that now you cantrust yourself.
That's the first thing, becauseif you keep the promises to
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yourself, you'll start keepingthem to other people.
But it's really hard to trust,it's really hard for other
people to trust you and for youto even trust your word with
other people if you can't evenkeep it to yourself.
You've been extremely dedicatedin the fitness world for years
and that dedication is somethingthat I'm a dedicated person and
I'm a disciplined person, but Ican't.
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You could walk us through someof the stuff that you had to do
in a disciplinary way to stay atthe top of that bodybuilding
game, really until you wereabout 50 years old.
Right, that was your last show,I think was at 50 years old.
Yep, To think about abodybuilder even stepping on a
stage anywhere near 50 years oldseems absurd to me, but maybe
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I'm wrong.
Toney Freeman (08:32):
It was absurd because I was standing on the
left was a 22-year-old and onthe right was a 26-year-old.
I remember being in theelevator with them before the
show and I was just like mychildren are older than y'all.
So it was really crazy.
And, like I say, I was addictedto bodybuilding.
I was addicted to the entireprocess.
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I was locked in, probably waymore than most people.
I ended up doing over 70 showsand it was my entire life.
And when I left the sport I Iwas injured, but I could have
left for a little while and cameback.
But when I saw where I wasphysically and spiritually, I
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realized that bodybuilding wasliterally holding me back from
being what I really could be.
And again, at 50 years old,even if I won, there's only so
much more you could do.
So I'm glad that I was matureenough to basically leave and
stay gone, although I maycompete next year just because
I'm, just because I can, notbecause I'm in that same mind
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frame.
But I'll be 60 next year andit's.
It's one of those things where,physically, I know I can do it.
People, people ask me almostevery day are you getting ready
for a show?
But I'm not.
I'm really like I said, I'mliving for the kingdom and I
want to show people that youcould do it the right way.
You know what I'm saying.
I consider the way that I didit before the right wrong way.
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In other words, I did a lot ofthings right to achieve what I
was trying to achieve, but itwas the wrong mindset and I
found I really come to termsthat, if you allow it to,
bodybuilding can be one of thehighest forms of idolatry and
you end up worshiping yourself.
You end up worshiping the imagein the mirror.
Corey Berrier (10:19):
And that's just not the way we were designed to
be.
Toney Freeman (10:21):
So when you talk, go ahead.
No, when you talked about theweed thing, I was addicted to
marijuana and so I went fromsmoking Right, and then I was
like you know what?
I want to be able to trainintensely.
So I need to, like, protect mylungs.
So I bought me a.
I bought me a volcano vaporizerand it's actually a medical
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device.
So I felt like, okay, I'm notdoing the damage to my lungs,
even though you know what I'msaying.
And so I did that for 20 years.
And then I said you know what?
I don't even want to do thatanymore.
So when Kelly was going throughher cancer therapy, we started
doing RSO.
So start doing the oil, startdoing the cannabis oil.
And I thought I was like youknow what?
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This is really medicine, I'mgood with this, but the one
thing that it still does is getyou high, it gets you stoned.
And I was watching a video oneday and this guy was like he was
like you can't hear God talk toyou when you're intoxicated.
And man, that hit thatliterally hit me like a ton of,
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because when I was going throughmy process, god was really
talking to me.
I like literally can hear himAudibly in my head, like outside
of my thoughts, was you know,I'm saying like a little can
hear that.
And I was just like, wow, Idon't want to not be able to
hear God talking to me, becausewhen he was taking me through my
process, the things he wassaying is literally what saved
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my life, because I heard it andthen I listened to it and I
acted on it and so he proved tome that, yes, this is really me
talking to you and what reallygot me to just say you know what
I can't do it anymore is thelittle things that God asks you
to do.
I'm talking about things thatyou wouldn't even think you know
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what I'm saying.
So minuscule that.
But God was like, no, I'm withyou in all things and I want you
to.
I want to be able to trust you.
So when I asked you to dosomething simple then and you
don't do it, then I can't reallytrust you.
So the last time that I guess Ididn't listen.
I was driving home from Columbus, Ohio, columbus, georgia.
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I went to a bodybuilding show.
That morning, I was driving 80,90 miles an hour all the way to
the show.
That night, when I left theshow I was in such a good mood.
I said you know what?
I'm just going to chill tonight, I'm not going to drive fast,
I'm just going to take my time.
And I remember getting in thecar and I hear God say turn on,
waze, there's going to be policeout.
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And I literally turned to likeGod was sitting in my passenger
seat.
He's like no, I got it, I'mchilling tonight, right, and put
my seatbelt on and drove offand I'm driving like 65, obeying
the speed limit the whole time.
And this camper got in front ofme and I wanted to get around
the camper so I punched him.
I drive a Tesla, so I punchedit, went around the camper
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really quick and the police wassitting right there.
State troopers sitting rightthere pulled me over.
I was doing like 88 miles anhour.
He gave me a ticket for 80miles an hour so I wouldn't get
in trouble and all I could do isjust look at, look in the seat,
like and god was like in allthings, I want you to listen to
me and obey me.
And that right there broke me.
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I know that's not.
It's one of those things wherepeople would say oh, that was a
coincidence.
I'm like, well, if you hadheard it, like I heard it, it
was almost like kelly wassitting in the seat with me and
I told her to poopoo it.
You know what I'm saying.
And so Now I listen to everylittle thing that he tells me
and I act on it, and he shows methat, yes, that was me.
And man, my life is just sosweet, I can't really explain it
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.
I pray that everyone gets tothis point of consciousness,
because it really is amazing.
Corey Berrier (14:04):
Everyone gets to this point of consciousness
because it really is amazing.
All right, so I'll verify asimilar story, because I had.
It wasn't the same exact thing,but I was leaving a meeting one
night.
I was still smoking weed oil,like you said.
I'd hit the pin a couple oftimes, so like I wasn't like
blistered high by any stretch,and I'm driving away from the
meeting and I had a conversationwith God about six months
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before that and I said, look,the meeting.
And I'd had a conversation withGod about six months before
that and I said, look, I knowI've got to stop this, I'm just
not willing to do it right now.
I am willing, but I'm just notwilling to do it right now.
Verbatim, it's a conversation Ihad and I left that meeting, I
hit that pin twice and I wasdriving about 70 miles an hour
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and I came.
I almost ran a red light, likecompletely.
It was almost like it just cameout of the blue.
I had to slam on brakes and itscared the daylights out of me.
And so I keep going after thelight turns green and the same
exact thing happens with theexact same speed limit.
And at that moment I knew thatwas it.
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I knew that God was telling meall right, dude, like you've had
enough time to make yourdecision and to be willing, if
you don't do something about itright now, you're going to get
that third strike and you're notgoing to really like that.
And so I know, for me in mylife, I don't need that third
strike.
So I tossed it out the windowand that was March 26, 2023.
And I haven't had.
I haven't had any cannabissince then.
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So it was a very similar storyto what you're talking about.
Hang on, all right.
So my point there is like Idon't, sometimes I don't listen
when I need to listen, but mostof the time.
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At this point, especially afterthat incident, I've been
completely clean and sober sincethen and I pray every day.
Every morning I get hit myknees and I think, and every
night and I think that I thinkhitting my knees is it humbles
me because I don't really wantto do it, because I feel like I
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shouldn't have to do it.
But there's a difference in myconversation with God when I hit
my knees than when I don't.
If I lay in the bed and pray Iknow it's a half-hearted
conversation, but if I hit myknees I'm connected, not really
to the earth, because I'm in ahouse, but it feels like I'm
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connected in a way that helps meto be able to communicate in a
different way with God.
Toney Freeman (16:49):
Awesome, awesome, I like that.
I like that.
I pray mostly because Imeditate the same way, laying on
my back with my palms facing up, and I'm completely relaxed and
I pause, I don't know, forquite a few minutes before I
even start to pray, and I liketo have conversations like that
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and I get a response.
Sometimes I pray on my knees,but most of the time because I'm
walking with God all the time.
Now, you know what I'm sayingLike, in other words, it's like
a companion.
You know what I mean and Idon't if people really, if you
really look at it, god doesn'tneed our worship.
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You know what I'm saying?
It's like he really doesn't.
So I like, I think it's thewalk, I think it's the
companionship and not knocking,bowing or kneeling or anything
like that.
I'm just saying I don't thinkit's a requirement to get the
job done.
I think if that's what youchoose to do, then that's what
you choose to do.
I want to be.
I want God to tell me listen, Inever used to take God to the
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gym with me.
That was my idol time.
That was me worshiping myselfin the mirror man.
Now I, that was my idol time.
That was me worshiping myselfin the mirror, man.
Now I asked god to come to thegym and show me what to do in
the gym, bro, and he does.
Bro, it's so crazy, he told me.
I said you, you need to startlifting free weights again,
because after you I went sevenyears without training.
So when you come back in thegym it literally feels like
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you're tearing stuff.
It's just like horrible.
So I stuck to machines.
I tried to do as little aspossible and over time I started
building up and God was likeit's time to start doing free
weights again, because when youlift free weights, not only are
you working your muscles, you'reworking your central nervous
system and your tendons andligaments.
When you do machines, you'rejust applying force.
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The machine is going to do thesame thing for everyone.
As a skilled athlete, you canmake it.
You can get a better resultthan the average person, but in
reality, the machine is designedto do that thing.
Well, when you lift freeweights, it's you're controlling
the weight and all the anglesand all the movements, and so
I've been doing that for thelast probably three weeks and,
man, it's amazing and I reallyliterally thank God for nudging
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me in that direction, because Iwas avoiding it like the plague.
I haven't squatted since 2016.
So now I'm squatting every weekand I'm back up to 20 reps.
Of course, I'm using lightweight, but the point is, I'm
doing the movement and I'mgetting that reconnection again.
Corey Berrier (19:21):
So I think if anybody I know that a lot of
people listen to this it's alsogoing to be.
I got post these on YouTube andif you see Tony's arms, they're
massive.
If you ever seen a picture ofToney when he was competing,
he's just the most massive humanbeing I've probably ever come
across.
So one would think that youlift massively heavy weights.
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But I'm pretty sure you told mea story one time about where
you were.
You went out of the country andwon't have to go into the deep
details of it.
But you went out of the countryand a guy handed you I think it
was a 25-pound weight to liftwhich, by the size, of you.
Toney Freeman (20:03):
It was a 15.
15-pound weight.
Corey Berrier (20:06):
All right, so walk us through what your
thoughts are on whether peopleshould be lifting heavy weight
and pros and cons, and whetherthey should be lifting how you?
Yeah, just give us a bit of acontext there.
Toney Freeman (20:18):
So I know that there's all kinds of studies in
science and whatnot, but thereality is, heavy is relative.
You know what I'm saying.
Every body part has a differentthreshold of how much weight it
can handle uh, with qualityreps and in perfect form.
And so your legs can handle alot more weight than, say, your
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biceps.
You know what I'm saying.
So that's why I adjust theweight according to what it
feels like and if, in reality,if no one put the little numbers
on the side, you would neverknow how much weight you're
lifting.
In other words, you can't closeyour eyes and grab the 50 or
the 60 until you could tell oneis heavier than the other, but
you can't tell that it's a 50 or60.
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You understand what I'm saying,sure?
So I think if people wouldtrain for the feel, form and
function, learn the function ofthe muscle, I used to do
seminars all the time and Iwould ask people.
They would ask me how do you getyour arm so big?
Because they see me liftingwith the 15s and the 20s and
they think I'm maybe justwarming up.
I'm like, no, this is what Iactually use.
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And I always I tell them, I sayyou know what's the function of
the bicep?
And I get a blank stare like noone really knows.
And I I'm like well, if youdidn't have biceps, how would
you eat?
You would have to bring yourface to the food like a dog.
Well, your biceps bring yourfood or things towards your face
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.
You know what I'm saying andthat's their function.
So if you take your hands andhold them out to your side and
bring them towards your face,you feel your bicep contract.
So all you do is add resistanceto that.
And where you know it's tooheavy is when you have to use
other muscles to actually getyour hand to come to your face.
So that's how you determine howmuch you can actually curl is
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by holding on to the dumbbell,first, starting with no weight,
and then add 10 and 15.
Most people is going to beabout 15 pounds before they have
to engage their front delt tolift.
And so once you learn how tolift the 15 pound dumbbell with
your biceps, now you can go tothe 17s and the 20s, but I'm
still.
I think 30 is probably my limit, but I could probably curl 90.
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You know what I'm saying.
Corey Berrier (22:31):
All right.
So let me ask you this.
So when you so, I was literallytelling Maddi this you met
Maddie at Nick's wedding and Iwas explaining to her this
morning because I used to train,meet a trainer, and I was
telling her we were workingchest, which, as a female a lot
of females don't work chest alot and I was explaining to her
because the amount of weightthat I put on there, if it
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doesn't need to be a struggle,because if you visualize those
pecs squeezing that weight right, if you visualize that area
that you're trying to work, yourfocus will be on that area
you're trying to work.
Does that make sense?
Is that something that you alsodo so?
Toney Freeman (23:17):
the function of the pecs?
Right, they move really, yourreally your elbows, but your arm
, your whole arm, is connected,so they move them in and out, up
and down.
So in order for them to go up,you have to use your deltoid.
So really it's a more of an inand out situation.
So when you take your hands andbring them together, you feel
your chest work, and then youcan do it down low, you can do
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it up high.
You know what I'm saying.
So that's what their job is.
And so now you just find aweight.
Once you know that, you find aweight that you can actually do
that without using,incorporating any other muscle,
now, when you use compoundmovements, you need to actually
put your chest in the primarymover position.
So you squeeze your shoulderblades together, which takes
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your shoulders out of it.
So now your shoulders are insupport mode and your triceps
are the secondary movers.
And so now you just you gotyour shoulder blades pinched
together and now you bring yourelbows forward and that flexes
your pec.
You're doing a fly.
It flexes your pec.
So that's really and like I sayfor legs, your quads are to
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straighten your legs out.
It's like it's the version ofyour triceps.
Your quads are to straightenyour legs out.
It's like it's the version ofyour triceps.
Your hamstring is to bring yourfoot towards your butt.
You see what I'm saying.
So if you focus on the functionfirst, then you'll end up
finding the right weight andthen you'll get stronger and
stronger.
And that's what progressiveoverload is.
Progressive overload doesn'tmean just add another plate.
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You know what I'm saying.
It's find the weight that youcan use in perfect form, perfect
function, and thenprogressively add weight as you
get stronger.
Corey Berrier (24:50):
All right, so let's get into.
I don't know if we covered theparasite situation last time or
not, but it's been so long.
I think it's important thatyou're the.
I don't know if you're ananomaly story.
I don't know if this is anormal story but it's a very
interesting story that you haveexperienced personally about
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having a parasite in your body,and I don't care how graphic you
get get as graphic as you wantbut I think it's important for
people to hear what you wentthrough.
Toney Freeman (25:27):
Okay, so my last contest was the Arnold Classic
in 2016.
And people know thatbodybuilders, they use diuretics
.
So I went to start to do mydiuretics and I'm a micro-dose
type of dude.
I was using diazide which islike 25 milligrams.
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It's a capsule.
I would open up the capsule andthen I would divide the powder
into four sections.
I'm basically doing sevenmilligrams, something like that,
six and a half milligrams at atime.
So I do the first littlesegment and, bro, I must've peed
like 22 times.
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I started counting them afterlike 10.
I was just like, wait a minute,what is going on?
So that's all I did and I peedlike 22 times.
I was like something's notright.
I ended up getting last placeat the show and I was like you
know what?
Something's going on with me.
I already had a soft tissueinjury.
So I said, until I find outwhat's going on with me, I'm not
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going to compete anymore.
And I think I'm pretty sure Itold a couple of people, but I
know I said it out loud.
So I was supposed to do anappearance a few weeks later
after that show and it was inUtah.
So a friend of mine who Italked to, this guy, maybe once
a year, something like that, andhe calls me out of the blue and
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he was like I saw on theInternet, you're going to Utah.
You should go see this guy.
His name was Joe, joe Prelie.
He has a machine that can tellyou everything that's going on
with your body.
And I'm saying to myself I'mjust like, okay, that was just
struck me very weird because Ididn't know where that was
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coming from at the time.
So I go to utah and I meet joe,I go into his office and he
sits me down.
He, he puts these little thingson my wrist.
Well, no, I'll take that back.
Before I went, before I went togo see joe, I went to a
naturopath here in town and hesaid tony, you're, I hate, I
don't.
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I know this might sound weird.
He said but you're malnutrition, you have, you're deficient in
a bunch of different nutrients.
And I was just like, okay, I'mlike, I'm like I'm eating seven
meals a day.
How the hell am I malnutrition?
That was the weirdest thing.
And so he said you also have aparasite in your kidney.
I was like, okay, what kind isit?
He said I don't know what kindit is.
So he gave me some herbs andsent me on my way.
(27:55):
So a couple weeks later I'm outthere sitting in Joe's chair,
chair joe puts this little it'slike it looks like headphones,
but it's not on your temples andI'm looking at a screen that
has an image of a human body andit starts scanning my body and
I'm.
He's talking to me, I'm lookingat him.
But then I started looking atthe screen because all the
(28:15):
things that I know is wrong withme like my pec tear, my
something in my neck, my kidneyshowed up or I have have slight
arthritis in my right knee, andso all those things popped up on
the screen without me sayinganything.
And so after the scan, hestarts telling me everything
about myself.
He started asking me questionshave you ever been to this
country?
Have you ever been to thiscountry?
And I'm like yeah.
(28:37):
And he's like.
He said I see you were verypromiscuous.
And I'm looking at him like Ihaven't told this man nothing.
How do you know my life?
What the heck?
It was freaking me out.
So, anyway, I was like well.
I said well, maybe it issomething to this.
I said this doctor told me Ihad a parasite in my kidney.
Can you check my kidney out.
So he clicked on my kidney andhe said your kidney function is
(29:01):
fine.
He said it's a little stressedbut it's fine, and he so he did
like a cross section and theseon the scan.
It has a bunch of differentcolors.
Green is good and black is bad,and goes from green to yellow
to orange, to red to blue oh,you know all the way to black.
So in the bottom of my kidneythe kidney shaped like that down
in the bottom was the blackspot.
He clicks on the black spot,this long word pops out.
(29:24):
So I googled the word and it'sa kidney worm.
And it says right next to ithow do you get these?
How do you get this parasite?
And it says eating raw seafoodor fish.
And I have been eating 8 to 12ounces of raw tuna every single
day for like six months straight, and so in that moment I was
like I can't even be mad becausethat's exactly how you get them
(29:44):
.
And so of course I'm tripping,because if you continue to
Google, you'll see that there'sno real cure for it.
You have to figure out how tokill the worm, or they take the
kidney.
And so that's what put me on mymajor trick to really learn
number one, how to identifyparasites and how to kill them.
(30:07):
And so, like I said, a lot ofprayer, fasting, herbs.
Now I use ivermectin andpembendazole and methylene blue
and stuff like that, but backthen I didn't really know about
that.
I heard about it but I didn'treally know about it.
So I just did a lot of prayerfasting and herbs Towards the
end, like 18 months later.
(30:27):
It took a long time too,because it's in cycles.
I had been releasing otherparasites but I still had this
kidney worm.
So I stumbled across.
This lady was talking aboutusing pure gum spirits,
turpentine, to kill bad bugs inyour body.
And gum spirits turpentine is apure spirit.
(30:48):
It's it's distilled pine sapand so it's a clean spirit.
And so alcohol is a dirtyspirit.
It's an evil spirit.
So I basically how you do itand I don't recommend this to
anyone, especially if youhaven't done all the other
things first.
It's like this is like the lastthing that you do and you take
like three sugar cubes.
(31:09):
You first you got to fast forlike three or four days.
That makes the parasite reallyweak and hungry.
You take the sugar cube, youput the turpentine on there and
you eat the sugar cube and youcan literally feel them coming
to get the sugar and thenrunning away from the turpentine
.
I'm praying and fasting and I'mpraying to God.
I'm like I said Father, youhave to remove this from my
(31:32):
flesh.
I said I don't want to beasking for forgiveness for the
same sins over and over again.
I said, please remove it frommy flesh so I can do better.
And in the moment of me praying, I felt this squeezing
sensation in my kidney.
Now, your kidneys aren'tsupposed to flex a smooth muscle
, but I literally felt likesomething, like it squeezed,
like it flexed, like a cramp.
(31:53):
Almost the next morning I getup and I'm still praying, I'm
still in the spirit, and I go tothe bathroom to use the
restroom and I'm standing thereurinating and I feel this
sensation like I got struck bylightning and that worm came out
into the toilet.
It was mind blowing to numberone go through that entire
(32:16):
process, pray for it to beremoved from my flesh.
And then God showed me otherthings, talking to me and I'm
listening and I'm obeying.
That's how I ended up in thebathroom in the first place.
And then it just came out andlike I literally felt like a new
person, like I literally havebeen a different person since
that moment and I just am sograteful and like now, I help
(32:39):
people with parasites and allkinds of things.
I'm not a doctor and I don't.
Your body can heal itself.
You just have to do the work.
You have to do the right thingsto put it in and it's right and
so cause it was trying to getto homostasis anyway.
So it's, and most people theydon't want to do the work.
That's why they run to thedoctor for a prescription or
whatever and they don't want toconfess or face their sins.
(33:02):
We all know that everythingthat happens to us you did it,
you did it, you know what I'msaying like, and that's how you
heal yourself is facing the factthat I did this to myself.
Now, the only way.
The reason why people haveparasites is because when you
come in contact with them orexposed to them, you willingly
take them into your body,whether it be from eating or
(33:25):
your skin, but usually it's from.
What we put in our mouths iswhere they really come from.
If you have pets, you touchyour pet, then you eat something
later.
That's how you actually getthem and because you do it
willingly, that gives thempermission to proliferate in
your body.
It's like when you cleanse yourtemple.
The Bible says the temple is, isthat's where the Holy spirit
(33:47):
dwells.
Right, so, but the evil spirit,so the evil energy, dwells in
the filth in your temples.
So if you want to get right, ifyou want to get spiritual, if
you want to be healed, you haveto cleanse your temple first and
I always start people on adetox and then we want to
replenish all the nutrients thatwe lose, because that's another
(34:08):
reason why you get sick isbecause your body doesn't have
the nutrients to fuel yourimmune system to to hold off
whatever it is that's attackingyou.
So it's like it's a whole.
It's a whole process and, likeI say it, fairly simple, but
it's not easy at all and it'snonstop.
It's always continued.
I tell people all the time Ilive in a constant state of
(34:30):
detox because I know I'mconstantly coming in contact
with invaders.
Corey Berrier (34:36):
So for people that are listening, I think I'm
curious.
So how and I've seen thepicture, so I know what you're
telling me is 100% the truth butthe folks listening just give
us an idea.
Like, when you talk about thisparasite, are we talking about
an inch?
We talking about six inches?
Like, how big are we talkingabout?
Toney Freeman (34:54):
So you remember big league tube.
Corey Berrier (34:57):
Oh yeah.
Toney Freeman (34:57):
All right.
So those pink strands it wasabout the size of two of those
put together.
Corey Berrier (35:04):
So about four or five inches long.
Toney Freeman (35:07):
Yeah, at least, maybe, at least I have pictures
of parasites 14, 15 inches long,but that particular one was
about it almost.
It was like it looked just likea piece of big leek chew, it
was mangled and whatnot.
It was, oh it was.
Uh, bro, unbelievable,unbelievable and I really
(35:29):
believe, like I say, the thingsthat you do, like when you do it
, when you do wrong and it'swrong to you, you know it's
wrong, but you do it anywayright that's that evil energy
that's in your flesh, because ifyou think about it, if you're a
pure human, you would never doanything to harm yourself or
anyone else for that matter.
Right, you know what I'm saying.
(35:49):
So when you do things likesmoking, weed, drinking,
whatever it is and I'm notknocking it because I've done it
to the with the best of them,you know what.
You know.
You're doing something againstyour humanity.
You know you are and you do itbecause you want to do it, and
you have to realize that ispartially you.
But it's also the influence ofthat outside energy.
Corey Berrier (36:11):
Oh yeah, that's right and I think that's the
interesting thing.
You say the influence ofoutside energy, and I think our
minds get influenced by a lot ofthings that are outside of
ourselves and I think a lot offolks, including even me
sometimes will becomeunconscious to some of these
(36:35):
things.
I'll give you just a classicexample.
If you get caught up in everylittle thing that politicians
are doing everything is goingwrong in the world and you feed
into that stuff on social mediaand you consume that information
daily, eventually it'll consumeyou.
(36:59):
Oh 100%, 100%.
Toney Freeman (37:03):
They will control your.
You know, when I see people youknow with politics and all that
type of stuff, like you don'treally care, you're focused on
paying your bills and what'sgoing on in your household, so
you don't really care.
But because it's plucking onyour strings and then someone
else, you listen to them and nowyou want to be combative, or
(37:27):
just you know what I'm saying.
And that's how you you stillthere I am here now.
Corey Berrier (37:34):
I'm not sure what happened there, but I am back
oh, oh, gotta plug it up for aminute.
Toney Freeman (37:42):
You still hear me , all right yeah, I can still
hear you, yep okay, cool, butyeah, so really, like I say like
going through the presidentialelection, all this stuff, I was
over in Dubai when we droppedthe bombs on Iran and of course
I'm here in the news andeverybody over there is over
here, is going crazy, and overthere it's just Tuesday, it's
(38:05):
just.
You know, I'm saying it's likethe difference between what's
important to this group ofpeople or that group of people.
I think people need to do a lotmore research and not Google.
I'm not saying don't use Google, I'm just saying go get the
basics and Google and then digfurther, cause a lot of this
stuff is hidden from us.
(38:26):
It's there but it's hidden, soyou have to seek it out.
Most people just they read thefirst few things and they run
with it and I'm just like man,that's what they know, you're
going to do so.
Corey Berrier (38:39):
That's why they put it out there like that.
That's right, yeah, and a lotof that, I think, is your own.
I think, and I think this iswhere psychedelics in the past
have helped me, and I believe inmy relationship with God.
I went and did ayahuasca acouple of times in 2020.
And ever since then, it's veryapparent to me when there's a
(39:04):
distraction in the government orthere's a distraction in the
world, it's very apparent to methat's not really what I should
be looking at.
That's the distraction.
It's the thing that they wantyou to look at, to focus on, and
I don't really know what'sgoing on otherwise.
I just know that something elseis going on that they want you
to look at, to focus on, and Idon't really know what's going
on Otherwise.
I just know that something elseis going on that they don't
want me to see.
It's been proven.
Toney Freeman (39:22):
So if you look at , I'm 58,.
If you look at history, so Ican go all the way back to
Martin Luther King, 68, 66.
So Martin Luther King, thenafter that it was Vietnam, then
after that it was Vietnam, thenafter that it was the Watergate,
and then after that it was.
You know what I'm saying.
And if you go now, because youhave to understand, after 20
(39:45):
years they just let it out youcan go find out what the real
truth is.
You go all the way back toVietnam and find out that it was
started because the Bay ofTonkin they were out there and
they said that they fired on theAmerican ships when in reality
they were shooting at flyingfish.
That's literally how theyjumped it off.
You know what I'm saying.
And I'm just like, if you, likeI said, if you go, dig all the
(40:08):
things that they've ever put outthere, especially the stuff
that they push they call themfalse flags or whatever if you
go find out the real truth.
That was all a lie.
But it's too late now nobodycares.
Number one.
But whatever their agenda was,they've already pushed it over.
And so you got people on theirdeathbeds confessing yeah, the
moon landings wasn't real, blah,blah.
(40:29):
All those, all that type ofstuff that that molded our whole
country.
Yeah, all lies, bro.
I don't think there's ever beenany truth in any of it.
Notice how recently all thestuff that's happened.
It just goes away, hold up.
We was really about to get in afight over that and now it's
(40:49):
just gone.
You know what I'm saying?
Now there really are bombingGaza and all that type of stuff.
But what I'm saying is thebasis of it is the lie.
They're doing that to keep up,keep it going.
But the bait, it's a lie, it'sall money, it's all manipulation
.
Every war has always beenfunded by the same, both sides
funded by the same banks.
(41:10):
It's just crazy, bro, andthat's why I say Even in
religion, you have all thesedifferent religions.
In Catholics, you've got to gothrough the Pope and Mother Mary
.
In Buddha, you've got to gothrough Buddha.
In Christian, you've got to gothrough Jesus and all these
things.
But the kingdom of God iswithin you and if you really
(41:33):
realize that, the Christconsciousness will allow you to
understand.
Wait a minute, I've got to fixthis first.
I can't go outside of me to fixthis.
This has to happen within you.
Just think about it.
If everyone did that, all of asudden this whole world would
flip.
It would be completelydifferent.
The outside sources, theoutside forces is worth keeping
(41:57):
everybody in dark and madness.
To be honest with you, that'sright.
Corey Berrier (42:01):
And it's like the mask scenario with the plane If
I'm not fixed, if I'm notspiritually fit, there is
nothing I can do for anybodyelse.
There's nothing I can do forright.
Toney Freeman (42:16):
Other than lead them astray, because of my laws.
Corey Berrier (42:18):
There's nothing I can do for Right.
Toney Freeman (42:20):
Other than lead them astray, Because you're lost
.
That's right.
If you're lost, you can't saveanyone.
You hear people say no one'scoming to save you because they
can't.
That's right.
No one can save you.
You have to recognize I am afraction of the Most High, the
prime creator, the real.
The first sentence in the Bible, not the King James Version,
(42:42):
I'm talking about the originaltext.
It says the father of thebeginnings created the Elohim,
the heavens and the earth.
Now, what is the Elohim?
The Elohim is all the littleg's, and all the little g's help
create all this stuff.
You see what I'm saying.
So the source, the prime creator, is the one.
(43:05):
And then like that's, like Isay that's why there's so many
different religions is becausethey are.
It's the source.
And then the fractions, andthen another fraction and
another fraction.
We're millennia of fractions ofGod, but it still comes from
the same source.
That way, when you tap in andyou recognize and realize and it
becomes personal with you, nowyou can manipulate your reality
(43:29):
Because you're a creator.
You're creating this image.
You're a creator, so you cancreate your own reality.
But you won't be able to createit if you're waiting on someone
image.
You're a creator so you couldcreate your own reality.
But you won't be able to createit if you're waiting on someone
else to show you the way that'sright you gotta cleanse your
temple.
You gotta cleanse your temple,you gotta meditate.
And most people say I can'tmeditate, I can't quiet my mind,
you're not doing it long enough, even if you fall asleep.
(43:52):
You know what I'm saying,because when you first start
trying to do it, you won't beable to do it.
It's so hard.
But you got to keep trying andkeep trying and eventually
you'll quiet your mind.
First of all, the reason whyyou can't quiet your mind is
because your temple is pollutedand the demons is making noise
the parasites and demons everytime.
Think about it Before you go tobed at night.
(44:12):
You want a snack, you want toeat something.
You never go choose somethinggood for you.
You always want to eatsomething.
You know why?
It's because the bugs want thatfor dinner.
They're getting ready to have aparty, so they want party snack
.
They want party food.
You try to go to sleep.
They're up doing their thing.
That's just how the cycle oflife works and you can't get rid
(44:33):
of all of them.
But once you cleanse your templeand you start raising your
frequency with good nutrition,they can't really do too much.
Then you can meditate.
It's a process.
You got to go through a process.
It's not a light switch, you'renot going to be able to go.
You know what I'm gonna dobetter, I'm gonna stop whatever.
And no, it's not like that.
You have to really look inwithin, cleanse your temple, and
(44:54):
then it'll come to you and it'sa journey.
Like I say, it was 18 monthsfor me to get to the beginning
of my journey and then I've hadseveral other situations where,
like I said, I thought it wasover.
I thought I was good.
It's just the beginning,especially when it comes to
parasites.
They're in layers.
It's just the beginning,especially when it comes to
(45:16):
parasites.
They're in layers.
You have the current ones, butyou have what they call them.
They call them what they callthem.
They call them established.
They've been there since youwas a kid, when you play in the
mud, puddles and the creeks andall that.
Those parasites been with youfor your whole life.
They're a part of yourmicrobiome.
(45:37):
Like I said earlier, whenyou're born, you're 90% human
and you're 10% microbiome.
When you die, you're less than10% human and you're 90, 95%
microbiome.
In other words, everything thatyou've collected over your
decades, over your life, thatbecame your flesh.
Corey Berrier (45:56):
Including experiences.
Toney Freeman (45:58):
Your experiences, your food.
Think about it, all thesepeople.
There's a generation of peoplewho have never eaten
non-ultra-processed food,they've never had whole food,
they've never had organic, freshfrom the garden.
Man, that's crazy when youthink about it.
And then you look at thecondition of everyone, right,
(46:19):
and then it makes sense.
Corey Berrier (46:22):
It does make sense.
Well, Tony, I know we'regetting close to getting out of
time here.
I think I just want to finishup with.
If people are listening to thisand they do want to make a
transformation in their lifemaybe they don't have parasites,
Maybe they do Where's a goodplace for them to start?
Maybe they just want to loseweight, Maybe they just want to
get a little bit healthier.
(46:43):
Where would you suggest themstart?
In the gym.
Toney Freeman (46:47):
First of all, we are mammals, so all mammals have
parasites.
There's no way to escape it.
The difference is your immunesystem keeps them at bay or
under control.
So I would tell people to startwith a basic 24-hour fast.
That's going to really tell you.
If you fast for 24 hours,you're going to learn a lot
(47:10):
about yourself.
Something really simple thatyou could do that will kill a
lot of parasites yourself.
Something really simple thatyou could do that will kill a
lot of parasites.
And if you have a reaction oryou will have a reaction you
could get something like celeryjuice.
So, celery, go, get you liketwo or three stalks of bunches
of celery juice it first thingin the morning.
Drink it.
The salts in there actuallyactivate your liver to push
(47:34):
those liver flukes.
Almost everybody has liverflukes.
Almost everybody has worms.
It's just how bad it is.
You either have a little biteither you know what I'm saying
or a lot.
So I would do something likethat.
You can always reach out to meon Instagram or Facebook or
whatever.
I love coaching people throughthis stuff.
I like to do a littleconsultation.
(47:57):
I had a guy this guy that I'mtraining in Dubai he called me.
He was like hey, man, I needyou to, I need you to help my
boss out.
He's really in pain, blah, blah, blah.
So I get on the phone with himand I say, well, just tell me
about your day, tell me aboutyour life.
So he starts talking and withinthree minutes I was like bro,
you got bugs.
And he was like you know what?
That makes sense Because I hadH Pylori back in the day.
(48:21):
He said I think it came back.
I said well, I'm going to writeyou out a protocol and send it
to you.
So we hung up the phone andthen I went to a friend of
mine's house and he was like man, I'm going to Dubai tomorrow.
I was like you're going toDubai tomorrow.
He said I want you to introduceme to some of your friends over
(48:41):
there because I know you haveconnections.
So I called my guy andintroduced him, gave that him
exchange phone numbers and thenI left my man's house and then a
dude from Dubai called me.
He's like hey, man, you knowthe guy who you helped on the
phone.
Vi called me.
He's like hey, man, you knowthat guy who you helped on the
phone.
He's like he's over this wholeinvestment group that we have.
And I was like shoot, I saidI'm going, I need to come see, I
(49:02):
need to come meet him in person.
So the couple of days beforethat I looked at the plane
tickets and they were like twogrand and I was like, well, I
don't have no reason to go, I'mnot going to just go for nothing
.
But that day they were on salefor 900 bucks.
So I bought me a ticket, flewover there with my buddy, met
the guy.
I took him some, a bunch ofherbs and stuff and literally
the next day he said he feltlike a million bucks.
(49:24):
So I was able to go over theremeet him in person, introduce
both of those two guys together.
So, like I say, when god tellsme to move, not only does he,
when he tells you to move, he'sgoing to open up the doors for
you.
And, like I say, the next day,when I looked at the plane
tickets, they was back to twothousand dollars.
So it was one of those thingswhere I needed to go meet this
(49:45):
guy in person.
I like to lay hands on people.
Like you know me, I like tomeet people in person.
So I really get energy and Iwas able to help that guy.
So that's going to turn into alot of really cool things.
But, like I say, I'm walking in, I'm living in my purpose, I'm
I'm having a personalrelationship with the most high
(50:07):
and I I feel good about it.
It's all I really want to do.
And it's weird because I'm notreligious at all.
I don't't.
I was raised Seventh-dayAdventist, so we went to church
every week.
But I'm trying to tell peopleI'm not telling you not to go to
church, I'm just saying you arethe temple, so you are the
temple first.
You can go to whatever churchyou want, but make sure, when
(50:29):
you're going there, that you'realready you know what I'm saying
that God is already with you.
You're not going to meet him.
I'm going to meet you at church.
No, you take him with you tochurch.
So that's what I would tell.
I tell people cleanse yourtemple and, like I say, start
with fasting.
Like I say, one day you don'thave to do nothing crazy, but if
you go without food for one day, you're going to learn celery
(50:56):
juice and you'll meet a bunch ofyour friends that you've been
harboring and carrying around.
And, like I say, if you want togo further than that, then you
can reach out to me and I'llhelp you out so where can people
find you?
either on facebook or instagramor both instagram is tfxman305
and then Facebook is TonyFreeman, and I'm building a
(51:18):
website.
I decided that I'm going tobuild a website that has
everything that I do in oneplace.
That way, when we have theseconversations, people can just
go to the site and then findwhat they're looking for.
Corey Berrier (51:30):
So alright, well cool, he should be done soon,
tonyxfreeman, wouldn't you?
Toney Freeman (51:34):
think it's going to be out.
It should be done soon, as TonyX Freeman is.
Corey Berrier (51:38):
dot com is what it's going to be, so perfect All
right brother, thank you,appreciate you, Thank you, I
appreciate you big time.
Yeah, man.
Toney Freeman (51:45):
All right, talk soon.
Corey Berrier (51:47):
Yes, sir, bye, bye.
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