Colossus: The Forbin Project (and are we all dead?)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:42):
Hey, hey, hey, I don't know what to do now.
This is weird.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
You don't know what to do.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
This is the this is the first time with a soundboard.
It was kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, very it's a little you know what, No,
it's too much pressure. Wait till it's your turn to
do the in troupe.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Okay, So before we get started today on the bigger
picture things, you know what we should do? Introductions first? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, what is this to the podcast? I don't articles
of podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:24):
This is a podcast. I'm Jeff with two f's and
the guy coughing is Jeff with one fe yes. And
for the first time and way too long as he

(01:46):
dare you right, Aaron, you've been gone too long. We've
missed you.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, welcome back to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I know you don't have time to listen to the show,
but sometimes we'll be talking about something. I'll be like,
I wish Aaron was here.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
I listen sometimes, or if Kristin tells.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Me to.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Okay, well, Kristin, you are the best, and we need
to figure out when Kristin could come hang out with us.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
She's not as busy as you'd think if you plan ahead.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
She's actually telling us that she's too busy. I was like,
maybe Christen can help us with something, and you're like,
she's mine, you Motherfuckersting's.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
A long term project that can take who knows how
much time. Yeah, you weren't just like, hey, send us
a message or something. Now you're like, commit all your
time to seducing an Ai. Yeah, when we already had
somebody doing it.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Look, I am happy to share the Kristen. I'm just
saying I already ask her to slowanown and she's an overachieving,
workaholic type person. So if I bring her something, because
she's my best friend, she's gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Kristen the program, I like how we're opening with deep cuts. Yeah,
so it was your first podcast. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, every episode is someone's first, so who knows what
we're talking about at this point. I mean, I barely know. Okay.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
So, and from our podcast, we've come to understand every
episode is definitely someone's last very dare you?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh boy? All right, so this is this is a
bi weekly podcast if you're new here. And because of that,
I'm not even really sure how far back this goes,
but many many an episode ago, we found ourselves in
a well one f jeff you someone at work gave
you a present and you decided to bring it up

(03:50):
on the show. Can you can you just take us
back to that real quick? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Friend of mine gave me some creedom for for headaches
that I was having, and it was like a affect headaches,
So I didn't want to take more more medication for them,
so I was like, why not take drugs? So here
we are well or no, my friends suggested drugs. Let's
let's let's be real anyway, yay, friendship.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Does creative count as a drug.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
In some places? Yeah, okay, you can't be using creative
if you're want to be considered clean.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Huh. Yeah, well that's interesting and will Utah is a
clean living kind of place, not like as dirty bastards
here in California where weed is legal.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Now, no, it's like it's like a David Lynch movie
over here. It's all pretty on the surface, but underneath
it's all bugs and monsters and degenerates and Mormons.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
I said Degeneratesouch, you're allowed to say that because you
grew up Mormon, I d I'm.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Also to say that because Mormons.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Suck and I dated a more, so I get.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
To say its okay, all right, moving on anyway, So
Kratim entered our lives, yes, and that almost immediately had
some weird coincidences because like Aaron was driving her dad
somewhere and they passed a creating billboard and he's like,
I want kretum and like that day yeah, like the

(05:22):
same twenty four hour period.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Earlier that day. Yeah, that was when you came on
board and I was like, I'm going to do some kreatum.
You're like, well, let me tell you a story.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, well let me tell you a thing or two,
which I don't think. You're probably using it in the
same sort of way as a replacement you know, uh drug,
you're using it as a supplement.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, I'm using very and very little.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I'm using it for something. Yeah. So then so then
because of the power of the algorithm, this little obscure podcast.
We were discovered by someone at a company called Happy Hippo,
which it also turned out that powder you got from
your coworker was Happy Hippo brand.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Okay, I think so, I don't know if she got
that from or or she's just you bought their products before. Honestly,
after further further conversation, you know what. Wow, there's like
a whole thing.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
There's so many disclaimers there, Yeah, caveats, okay, but we
know the Happy Hippo the company is in your friend's.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Life, yes, okay, And they contacted.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Us, right, they contacted us and they said, hey, we
do create them. You guys want to do create them?
So pretty much had a conversation.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Pretty much, and we can't we can't pretend like this
is one of those weird algorithmic things, because there are people.
Most companies probably have somebody whose job it is to
just watch the Internet and get out urge and seek
stuff out. That's you know, where they can opportunities perhaps.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
But yeah, you know, we're not exactly. We are pretty obscure.
We're not the biggest podcast on the block, right, So
I thought it was kind of cool that someone found
us just based on the power of cretum.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Ye, so before they put it in the title two
weeks in a row, that's true.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Two episodes, that's true. Before the recording of this episode,
I ate a where's the package? I had a happy
hippo Kratum taffy full spectrum extract, lime Margarita flavored taffy chew, and.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
I took the and I can actually send I'll send
a picture for the for the Patreon which canna be found.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Where patreon dot com slash suggested articles.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, I took the which is did you say cilantro
no red samtra Sumatra?

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Now what about that? Blenn? Has you screaming fuck right now?

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Because I was supposed to say a pod Patreon after it, Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
We're bad at our jobs.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
I thought maybe you were like on a sleep gummy
instead that you just you were going to start drifting
off in the podcast.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Actually, this stuff is supposed to help you help good sleep.
It's just supposed to relax to you terrific and joyful spirit.
So I'm pretty happy right now.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
What's your show called again? In case I have to
close it out when you both fall asleep on me.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Then suggested articles A podcast just needed the timing again
in my head a podcast anyway, Jeff says he isn't
feeling it, but he doesn't sound slightly nicer, right, yeah, yeah,
that's the word.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yes, kind Oh I am.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I do feel like I'm in a pretty decent mood.
I guess that should be a side effect of taking
creative And so I was looking this up, and I
think the purported effects, broadly speaking, are supposed to be
like energy and productivity, stamina, stamina, and.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
There's a lot of them, and a lot of them.
They sent us a bunch of separate they sent us
both kind of a bunch of different samples, and they
say on the basket, yeah, there's there's like the one
I did it said, you know, joyful spirit, RESTful sleep,
and uh pain something or discomfort. Help you know what

(09:29):
you're making me read? I wasn't prepared to do.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
There's strains like strains, Oh yeah, absolutely, there's like there's.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
There's the super red vein borneo, there is the super
red horn. There is there's all sorts of different strains.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
Yes, so and then like let's say the listeners want
to try that is there does happy hippo do online
ordering or how could the people find them?

Speaker 2 (10:09):
But they do? But oh, now I feel gross because
we're an anti capitalist podcast. We're like, go spend your money.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Officially speaking, is not yet, they're not affiliated with us.
A very nice guy who is all right, yeah Louise, Well.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Louis so nice. They know your name, my bad Luis.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Oh boy, uh.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Was a super nice guy.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
I'm over here basically Charles Nelson Riley ing because my
giant glasses and the mic and the cup. All you
have is my glasses? Yes, why you and my double chin?
But but Charles Nelson Riley had a little bit of
one of those two.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Uh okay, there's a programming note. We're planning on being
this episode on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Mm hmm planning.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Did you do the purpose.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
She said us about.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
People are going to want to see what you look
like with your glasses in your cup.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Oh, it's just a weird coincidence.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Could snap a picture? I guess I'm used to painting
a picture with my words. Because podcast podcasting or podcasting,
if you're from somewhere not here has always been, you know,
an audio thing, and and we have a lot of
sight gags that happen on on the Lance and then
I end up explaining that like I am narrating the

(11:37):
vision to someone, So I was trying to tell the
audience how ridiculous I looked at that moment, because it
was just glasses and a microphone and a mug.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, what's a pretty funny image. If Ryan can get
a screenshot of that. Ry Ryan is our new video guy.
By the way, we have a new person on the team. Hey,
welcome Ryan, everybody the show.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
He will be a just one of these days. He's
the smartest like tech guy I know outside of like
maybe Neon Chaos. But I don't know Neon Chaos because
no one can know Neon Chaos.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
He's unknowable. Yeah, but I know, which explains why your
relationship with him fell apart, Aaron, I understand it.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
I think we broke up because I didn't listen to
his episodes.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Oh my god, it's not a very.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Good girlfriend quality.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Oh no, it's not, no boy anyways, So happy hippo
sentas Krayton. I don't know if it has kicked in
and d it's very subtle, I'll say that, but we'll
see what happens over the next You know hour.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I feel good right now? I feel good.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Mine was a chewy taffy. What was yours?

Speaker 5 (12:43):
It was?

Speaker 2 (12:44):
It was a little powder that I put into some
hot water. Okay, yeah, trying to make like a tea.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Okay. And Aaron, are you on any substances that we
should know about you responsibly people?

Speaker 4 (12:59):
I'm on caffeine, not a sponsor of the show, but
a shout out to MEO. Unwind. It's a dragon fruit
and berry flavor, but it's got magnesium and B vitamin
so it gives a little bit of like a chill
vibe to it, which is nice.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
That's cool.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
It's called Unwind. And then I'm also on gig which
is seventeen THC. It's by a local company called a
vo or avol he weed.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Okay, yeah, so we got wet.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Hey, look, I didn't get any kreatim. So I'm gonna
tell the weed people I'm smoking their weed, and maybe
AVO is listening, and then they'll be like, what's up, Baron,
I'm down the street.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
The title Jeff throw it in the title, let's help
baring out.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
The title of the podcast should be please send Aaron
some cretum.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
No ohez, you are on your creedom has hit man.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Look, Kevin Smith got sober. I'm now the lady Kevin Smith.
I'm gonna make shit happen for us, and I'm gonna
smoke weed. That's what I'm gonna do. Sure, I'm gonna
be a tubby glasses person smoking weed making ship.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Okay. So thank you Luisa Happy Hippo for looking us up.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Also sorry, Happy hippo people. I am an artist and
I fucking love your artwork and your color scheme on
the packaging. I saw the pictures of what the guy's
got and I was like, I could get behind this,
Like their uh package design team is great or the
logo people. I just great color schames.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Guys so very chill. Yeah, you know their website is
the same. It's that same color scheme.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yes, feel good. Okay, So again, thank you Happy Hippo will.
I'll be in touch. I think we'll talk soon. Continuing
on before whatever is going to happen to me happens,
Let's talk about the mail bag real quick. Not a
lot of mail bag today, but I do have a
couple of big updates. First of all, all the back

(15:15):
and forth with Ben from Chasing the Whimsy also a podcast.
I'm going to be recording with him soon and I
I don't know if it's just me or if it's
the two Jeffs. I don't know, but we're gonna be
We're gonna be talking to Ben and we're gonna be
on Chasing the Whimsy. So we'll talk more about that

(15:35):
when it comes out, so we can do.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Two thirds of us are basically fugitives of Ben because
I owe him art and you owe him something, right, Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I don't owe Ben nothing. Oh I feel something something,
something's happening. M okay man.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
I thought for sure it was going to be a
sound effect like a sound drop.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
He doesn't enough on the soundboard.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Sorry, I just noticed there's five sounds on your soundboard.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
You want me to start doing like slide whistles, And.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
What you need to do is you have to have
Aaron's cute little snort from when she's not here. If
you ever say anything funny, you can.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Just ice the button on my soundboard will say isolated snort.
I'll work on that during the next edit process.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
In the future because on the Luni film or we
record our episodes quite like U T or soap operas record,
we're like months ahead. We have so many in the
can right now, but we can fabit so hard, and
our guests come back each time for a new episode,
definitely on a different day in a future episode.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
What okay? Okay, John, No, I wasn't sure where this
is going, but there, okay, you're on it.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
You're on it in a future episode. It will be
an episode where Lucille Ball was in the audience. And
so when you're listening to the show, I've gone back
and rewatched it. I can't hear her, but Lucille Ball's
laugh was so iconic. I tried to listen for her
in the laugh track. So laugh tracks are real and

(17:23):
you should use mine. And I could be your Lucille
Ball and ar Charles Nelson Riley what now? I just
I wanted to mention that because it was such a weird,
fun fact that Lucille Ball was there to visit b
Arthur for one show.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Okay, Oh yeah, I see gotcha.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, oh yeah, something's happening in my mailbag. Mailbag, you
got to keep this early. So the other really important
update is Rachel Now she did not send us any
email about her various activities. If you if you don't
know who Rachel is, she tried to seduce chat GPT,

(18:02):
and her last email to us said that she is
now a lesbian. She's gonna she's gonna be on our
next episode. She's going to come talk to us about
her journey trying to romance an AI and the results.
Thank you, Rachel, Yes, thank you very much. The work.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
She also said mission accomplished, so it sounded like she
she actually seduced the AI. I'm very interesting.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
How far she and the AI got? Was she?

Speaker 4 (18:36):
And yeah, what if that's her new lesbian relationship?

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Well maybe, but if so, I mean I will also
translate to non AI based relationships. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
I don't know how far this go.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, at this point, I don't want her to send
any more details. She's going to come and talk to us.
We can ask all sorts of questions and try to
get to the bottom of whether or not AI can
change her sexually. Okay, Yeah, pretty exciting. Okay. Also from
the mail bag I.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Did for the Straight Guy.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
I did get an email from UH. I did get
one one message, Oh god, what's happening? One message? From
Neon chaos. He wanted us to know. This is I
guess kind of AI related. He wanted us to know
about a cool thing that's happening. But in the light
of all the various protests that are happening around the

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country and also people being disappeared left and right, he
found a website. It's a it's called fuck lapd dot Com. Yay,
so pretty simple. You are ol fucklapd dot com. I'm
surprised it wasn't taken already, but this website allows you
to upload a photo you've taken of someone's face, and

(19:57):
it will tell you if that person is as LA
police officer and their badge number, name and badge number.
It's a facial recognition program. I think Aaron's looking it
up right now. I see her tapping on.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Her phone, tapping, but I'm not looking that up.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Sorry, well, never mine, she's lost.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
I can look it up. I'll look it up.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
We're we're good. Let's go. So fuck lapd dot com.
I think it is. Yes, it's just LA search over
nine thousand LAPD headshots. Process processing happens on your device.
No photos or data are transmitted or saved, so if
you get a photo of someone that is a cop
that's about to, you know, beat someone down. You can

(20:42):
find out who they are as long as you can
see their face.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
That's very cool.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
That's a nice tool.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Okay, So a good application of AI making our lives better.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
And it really just screams Neon Chaos's.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Brand absolutely absolutely made.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
I don't think he made this site, or if he did,
he's not claiming it. But it's pretty cool, very cool. Okay,
and then sort of mail bag, but this is going
to be a real discussion. In our last episode, we
talked about a male from Eric and he suggested that
we watch a movie from nineteen seventy called Colossus the

(21:20):
Foreben Project, which is a movie about what happens when
the United States government turns over all of their major
functions or perhaps dangerous functions, missiles and stuff to an
quote impenetrable AI. So you guys were all supposed to
look that up and or buy a DVD on Amazon.

(21:43):
I don't know how many DVDs we sold that day,
but hopefully a few of you watched.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
And yeah, I think it goes without saying we're about
to spoil the shit out of this movie. So it
is from nineteen I think five years old, so.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Oh shit, I didn't even think about it. The math
on that.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, I just did that in my head.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
The computers look like light brights. I'm just gonna say
that right out the gate.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Okay, so any discussion, what what did we think? Thumbs up,
thumbs down.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Thumbs up, really thumbs up. I would give Colossus the
Forban Project a thumbs up. I didn't have high expectations
for a movie about computers from nineteen seventy, but like,
for sure, Yeah, I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
I thought there was some good messaging in it, but
I did not enjoy the movie. It was so much talking.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
I give it.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
I give it a thumb middle.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Aarons, Yeah, aarons a mid thumb.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
I didn't It wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen,
but I also didn't mean.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
To watch it.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah. Well okay, basically all the things I think about
AI Anyway.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
It's what I thought was it was going to be
like I like it would. It's like eating a cantalope.
It's just okay.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Well, don't get me started on cantilope, lady, because I
do not like cantilope.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
I hate canilope. It tastes like spit.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah. Okay, so the movie.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
So the movie. Okay, let's talk real. First of all,
the cast of the movie I did not know. I
watched this with Jennifer. The main star of the movie,
playing doctor Charles Foreben was a guy named Eric Brayden,
and I didn't recognize him from anything, but Aaron, did you?
Is this something he was on.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Like a soap opera or something for like I feel
like forty fifty yeah, like yeah, from the minute he
got off that movie, he was basically on a soap opera.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
But for the last forty five years he's been playing
a character named Victor Newman.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
I'll be Young in the rest He's Victor Newman.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
He's Victor do you okay? No, Jennifer gat when I
told her that it's.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Been so long since I've seeing Young and the Wrestless,
they would it was a sporadic summer thing during the
hottest parts of the summer, where me and the neighbor
kids we'd just be so if we have to go outside,
we're gonna die. So we're just gonna okay, We're gonna
go inside. We'll watch we watch TV and then we
got sucked up, and we'd get sucked up into young

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and the wrestless for a couple of weeks, and then
and we'd be like, can you believe that?

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Blah blah blah, you believe it?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Kaylah? And then and then and then after a while
we'd be like, what are we doing, Let's go out side.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
I had a summer like that, but where I was,
I didn't want to go outside, and I was subject
to my sister's whims, my older sister, And for a
summer I knew everything you could know about Days of
Our Lives in Santa Barbara.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Yeah, to be fair, Jeff two F Jeff and I
could have much longer soap opera conversations because I was.
I watched The Three with my mom every summer, and
it was Santa Barbara, Uh, another world and then Days
of Our Lives. It was like a three hour soap
opera marathon every day with my mom.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Mostly I remember bo Hope and Patch that that has
that's nothing to do with classes the former project.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Anyway, we got to get back, get back.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
To Victor Newman, right, he was a guy. And then
also I have to call out the main the female
lead was Susan Clark, who fifteen years later was Webster's
adopted mom ma'am on Webster the TV Show. So she
was great, and a number of other recognizable faces, Mary

(25:35):
and Ross, George Stanford Brown, I've definitely seen him in something,
James Hong, who didn't have a lot of lines.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Here can I can? I you know what I need
to say this before I forget Yes for a movie
in nineteen seventy it actually had pretty good casting representation,
you know them. They had some black guys, They had
people in the you know, in the White House that
were people of color, They had James Hong, but not

(26:06):
one person of color had had a line until an
hour twenty five into the movie. And then immediately that
guy died. He was shot shot. Yeah, it was executed.
And so as soon as Jim Pong started talking, I was.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Like nobody, no, I think yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Basically basically this is the movie is this guy builds
this supercomputer that took up to all the defense stuff
in the missiles, mostly the missiles, and then and the communications,
and as soon as they turn it on, it realizes
there's another supercomputer system and it's because the Rustans have
been working on one, of course, and it's just about
to be turned on, and so they decided to hook

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them up to each other for some reason that the
computers touch tips and fall in love. And then they
start to realize that this was a bad idea of
both governments, and so they sever the link and the
computers get mad and they retaliate. They each shoe one missile,
and the American one ends up getting shut shot down,
but the Russian one destroys an oil field. They reconnect

(27:13):
the computers and then everything gets worse and we all
become basically subjugated.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, because like this thing controls the missiles. So anytime,
anytime that the Americans were going to do something that
the computer didn't like, he's like, I'm going to missile
you if you don't fucking get.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
It makes demands. It makes demands. It says you have
to do this or I'll you know, launch missiles. And
some of the demands are literally like it's time for
you to dinner now, yep, fucking movie man.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
And also, okay, so you've had enough to drink tonight, doctor, fore.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
You're putting too much of a mooth. I'm launching a missile.
Fuck you.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
For tried to shut him down. He tried to betray him, Right.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
It's so weird that the people would try to want
to live their own lives.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, so he takes Foreban captive, right, and he hooks
up a bunch of webcams or the nineteen seventies version,
so he can see everything Forben's doing, and Forebn like
can't leave the complex.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
And and the only privacy he gets he he convinces
the computer that he has a mistress. Who's the lady
who he works with, the blonde.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Of course she's stunning, she.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Is stunning, and and so the computer actually makes them
undress in like front of his cameras in the living
room before they can go into the bedroom. And I
have to say, like, so Susan takes her clothes off,
and there's the wineglass right there. Yeah, and my first
thought was Austin Powers. Is this where Austin Powers, where
Mike Myers got the idea for the scenes by tastefully

(28:50):
hiving their nudity behind so because and then then what's
his name is standing behind the wine glass and you
can cut you can totally tell.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
They're wearing underwear.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
But they're like, we're naked is what day we were born? Yeah,
the way they tried to hide it was kind of funny.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Also, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Somebody had said the movie was funny, and I didn't
find any humor in the movie except for the unintentional
the nudity that wasn't actually unity.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Yeah. I was like, interesting how he didn't tell his female,
his very attractive female assistant doctor, that she would have
to get naked. Like he knew what the fourth rule
of privacy was before she got there that night and
they'd been at work all day. He could have like

(29:38):
gently whispered in her ear somewhere surely like, hey, you're
gonna have to take your clothes office, okay, Like he
could have told her. He didn't the first time that.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
But he's he's a guy who made a supercomputer that's
also super handsome, so.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
I mean, and he slept with her after what like
two nights, so they're going to fall in love they
so why because as soon as he said someone will
have to be my mistress, you see your spiling, Like, oh,
I was.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Going to say something about that, Like did he did
he ask? I don't think he asked. I think he
was like, and you you're mind, you have any objections?

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Then no, he said, do you have an objection?

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Yeah, and that's what she was like, No, I.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Mean it was nineteen seventy. I don't think human resources
have the same kind of rules that we have now.
But like, I have to take yearly training that reminds
me not to do stuff like that. I can't just
declare a subordinate to be my mistress.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Now, right.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Anyway, look what this was. I think this was a
successful cautionary tale about what could very realistically happen, because
we see it happening now.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Well, yeah, no, it was. It was dead on. It's
dead on as far as you know everything, but you know,
especially the message where they build this thing and they
don't actually consider their cushions until it does everything that
they thought it would do, you know, which is kind

(31:08):
of stupid. And the only time anybody ever it kills me?
How many times, like the computer is doing something terrible
or holding somebody's feet to the fire, and the President's like, hey, buddy,
who made the computer doctor forben? And come on over here,
make us a good suggestion. You know, it's just like,
why isn't there hate on this guy? There was not
enough hate on this guy. He fucked everybody.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
And uh yeah, yeah he did kind of put the
whole world in jeopardy.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
And at the end he's a little bit you know,
you can tell he's doing his you know, feeling the
weight of the world on his shoulders that he destroyed Paul.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
But also like, I know it was a more innocent time,
but I think it was the head of the CIA
in the movie where Foreban's like, hey, so what do
you think about this idea where it wants to talk
to the Russian computer? We should totally let it right,
and the CIA guys like, I don't know, but I
guess it would be fine.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yeah, Gidget, that's Gidget's dad, right, the CIA.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
That's where I recognized him from.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Yes, oh, okay, you're welcome.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
William Shallon is the actor's name, And I think you
are absolutely correct.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
What's not being We're all like, what the hell? We
were also sure of it. He was so familiar though.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
He was also in Inner Space Patty Duke, Oh, Patty
Duke show, Yes, nope, not wow, He's in a billion things.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Wasn't he the dad in the new Gidget out Look?

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, let's let let let Aaron do the research. She's
good at research.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Jeff, you're on, I am on, and I definitely feel something.
I know, I feel. I feel fine. It's not like that.
It's not like my experience with marijuana edibles where I
would not be capable of doing a podcast. Although I
would kind of like to see what would happen if
we were in the middle of doing a podcast when

(33:05):
a weed edible kicked in. I think that'd be a
fun experiment.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Have somebody there running the board. I think, yeah, what
if you what if you played the outro song too soon?

Speaker 1 (33:17):
On the outro song and it's just okay, I can't
I'm sorry. Maybe maybe it's the Kratim or something else,
but I can't remember how the movie ends. How does
Colossus to Forebann Project end? Did they did they stop
the AI or they didn't know?

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, they were trying to systematically disarm all the weapons.
When they said they were updated, they told the computer
they're updating the targeting systems or something. They were secretly
disarming the weapons. He the computer figured it out. He
detonated two of the a site in Russia where they
were working on a site in America. You guys don't
do everything I tell you too. It's you're you're all,

(33:56):
You're all fucked and I'm and that and actually, yeah,
he gives a big speech and that's where where the
movie is. That's where my quote from the intro from, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Well he gives a speech and then he's talking to
doctor Foreman how he's going to have to build you know,
kick everybody off the alley crete and build a new
huge computer and was going to get worse.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
There's like a single tear running down the pretty bad
lady's face. Well, so I pulled up I pulled up
William Shaller And first of all, the first thing that
comes up, this fits indoor a show because I googled
Foreman project yesterday when I went to IMDb. The the
thing that's playing on his is the trailer for Colosses. Yeah.

(34:44):
But yeah, so he played Gidget sad, but it was
sad to like my generation. It was in the New.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Show or Gidget.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Yeah, from like eighty six to eighty eight. Dean Butler
was in it. Anyway, that's my story. I'm done, Yes,
that's what I'm.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Killing it with. Our demographic right now, I don't know
what our is. No, we've been talking about a movie
for that's fifty five years old. Gidgetty for you, nailing.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
It for you teenagers tuning into this almost attack podcast.
None of us, including you and everyone hosting the show,
was born when Colossus, the Forbmune project came out. So
we all have that in common. We're basically all the same,
you know.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
So are we done here? So I can say so
I can say, you know what else we all have
in common? We're all about to listen to some commercials.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Well, thank you everything for the suggestion. I enjoyed the movie.
I was a lot better than I thought. Anyway, I
think I think it's okay. Let's let's have some commercials
for at least those of you listening on audio format.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Hey, which episode is it?

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Well, you'll find out when we watch it. But hey, attention,
you better pay attention because Aaron makes a really good quiz. Okay,
I'll bring my notebook. Hey you you over there, Yeah,
come listen too. You can join us on the LUNI.
Abby will bring the cheesecake. Yeah, get in a carm
one more out of cheesecake. Part of the Odd PUDs.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Media Network, and we're back. Way to go us.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
I have to tell you that sound effect coming back
from break coincided with my first sip of my juice box,
and I was like, oh my god, what is happening
in my juice boxes? I can explode? And then it
got louder still and I was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, right, and I'm the high one. What the hell actually.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
I'm not even high. Well I'm not even high anymore.
I just forgot there were sound effects. I was like,
what the fuck is that?

Speaker 2 (36:57):
This is also also we need to cut that one
out too, So what the fuck is that?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
That was great?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Put that on the What is what is happening?

Speaker 1 (37:06):
What do you mean? Oh?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Nothing, just the screen changed.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Yeah, I just realized a flaw with my soundboard plan,
which is I can't like look at my phone. I'm
trying to fix that. Well, I'm trying to just because
because our next little segment here is anything weird happened
to you guys from the algorithm? Ah be gauys, got
anything weird that's happened? Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
The other night, Carrie and I were out at a
bar and we were both we were we.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Have this.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
We have this app that tells us how are the
music we listen to? How it overlaps or doesn't you know,
compared with each other comparison, And we were looking at
that and it said that the only band recently that
we've been listening to that we both listened to is
The Gorillas. And right after that happened, the jukebuck started

(37:59):
playing the which is freaky.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
That is freaky kind of awesome but yes, freaky yeah, uh.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Like it wasn't. It wasn't. An hour later it was.
It was. We were just finished saying wow, and then
started playing Bill Gin Inc.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Which I love that song. I had a couple weird
algorithm things. First of all, I think I mentioned this
once on an older episode, but Google Opinion Rewards is
one of the weirdest things, and at this point I
keep it installed mostly because of my devotion to the algorithm.
But Google Opinion Rewards will continually ask me, It's happened

(38:41):
five or six times now about where I'm from. And
I don't understand how Google doesn't know where I'm from
because I'm from California. I've said that out loud many times,
including on this podcast, but most recently it asked me
if I reside in Florida, and it also asked me

(39:02):
the other day if I reside in Texas, and it
was just yes or no, but in Florida. And I
wonder if this is specifically because it's asking about Florida.
The answers were yes, no, or I don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
And I don't get it was that very long story
a joke about Florida.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
No, that's true, that's what Google rewards asked me.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yes, no, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Do you reside in Florida? Yes, no, or I don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
If you don't know, you probably do.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
I was training somebody at my job once who was
kind of a younger kid, and they hid just like
first day, and I said, so, where are you from?
And they said California? And I said, well, we're in California.
And he looked at me blankly and said, I don't know,

(39:57):
I don't know, yeah, And so I started grilling. I'm like,
are you like close to it, like San Diego, Sacramento maybe,
or San Francisco, Los Angeles. I mean, there's a lot
of different parts of California, right, And he just looked overwhelmed.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
And she feels like a cover story like me. I know.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
She was like, are you in witness protection program? Because
I don't think murdered later. Yeah, no, he's still there.
He actually might be a vampire. We think, Oh, that's hope.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
That's why he doesn't know.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
That's why he doesn't know. He doesn't know what to say. Yeah,
there were no versions of the of the vampires from
what we do in the Shadows.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
He's like, I don't know. It was like I went
to Fresno, fifty leagues from vampire Jack's house. I don't
know what city you Tako speak of. I have a
weird algorithmic thing for like, please, the first time in
a long while.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, I want to hear it.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Please. Okay, sorry, I my head starts to make pressure
on my ear. Guys, so sorry about that noise. If
you heard that anyway, fuck you I have. I have
been podcasting all weekend. My ears hurt. Heart.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
The first time a female has uttered those words ever.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
Podcasting all weekend my ears hurt probably something I would say, honey,
I don't want to go to the store.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I'd be podcasting all day.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Yep, yep, I am having an exhaustion tent tantrum on
your show. Okay, here's my algorithm thing. So, uh, my
our friend Ian, our mutual friend Ian who lives in England.
His wife Emma and I like Love Island and so
we are watching Love Island. But for me to watch

(41:56):
it and be able to talk about it with her,
I have to watch it when it drops an a.
So I have a VPN that allows me to watch
the ITV station and I watch that, thank you. So
here's the algorithm. Man. We all know that I am
part of the Walkdown Alzheimer's Committee up here in Portland,

(42:17):
and that it's something I'm passionate about, and I swear
to God I every commercial break on ITV, I get
some well, I get a fucked ton of eBay commercials.
And eBay commercials in the UK are hilarious. There's like
a rubber dress that the lady goes, I'm sorry, you
just too clingy for me, and it's all about like

(42:39):
breaking up with the clothing pieces. It's hilarious. Every other
commercial I get is walked to in Alzheimer's. But it's
like the British Chapter of Alzheimer's Association, and it sees
lovely people and they're like, I remember when Mom started
to lose memory. It's while we walk for her every year,
and it's such a sweet, light, lovely, touching commercial. But

(43:03):
I get it every fucking episode of Love Island I
watch because even though I have a vpiano, somewhere in
the algorithm, someone's like.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
That chick volunteers there.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
She talks about it all the time. Well that is,
you know what, There's probably a good lesson in there somewhere.
It's kind of like incognito mode. Just because it's not
leaving cookies behind on your phone at the time doesn't
mean that the algorithm's not tracking you. And I think
easily the same thing goes for VPN. You are changing
your IP address to look like you're in a different location,
but it still knows who you are. Yeah, I had

(43:41):
I had a weird algorithm thing yesterday. I was I
was looking up hotels. I'm just going to Vegas for
a weekend in October to go see Stevie Nixon concert,
and I was looking at hotels. We got a couple
of friends are gonna be staying at this one hotel,
and I was trying to figure out the distance between
that and the one. I was playing how are you
getting there? By the way, I'm going to drive?

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Oh why, I don't know it sounds like you're going
to go your own way.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Oh, son of a bitch, we just lost a lot
of listeners.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Oh I'm the games, but you gained a best friend, Yes,
yes I did.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
I'm looking at these two hotels. I'm trying to figure
out how far they are, like how long it would
take to get between them, And it's like it's like
a three minute drive, but it's one point six miles
or something, so it says it's going to take like
forty minutes to walk it. And I'm looking at this
on Google Maps on my phone and I didn't I'm
just looking at the directions. I'm not saying anything out loud.

(44:44):
I'm not doing anything special, but I was looking at
how far apart these hotels are and thinking in my head,
how long would it take to walk that mile and
a half. And later on I get the suggested article
from I think it's like men's fitness, how long it
should take to walk a my eye, and that can
help improve your fitness. And that fucked with me a

(45:04):
little bit. That just happened yesterday. Wow, and I did
not appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
What did you do to your friends that they're staying
a mile and a third away from you. Why aren't
they in the same hotel?

Speaker 1 (45:17):
That sounds they have more disposable income than me.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Oh look, I don't know. I just I thought maybe
you guys didn't.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Came on our podcast and wealth shamed Jeff, wealth shamed Jeff.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
Look, I can't even afford to go to the Tonapa
clown Motel thing.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Oh, that's that's been rescheduled.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
It's so been rescheduled.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
We've talked about this on the show before. There's a
place called to a bad Uh, what's so special about it?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
One f, Jeff, it's exactly eight hours from here, in
eight hours chef's house.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Wait, is that why you picked this shipthole?

Speaker 2 (46:03):
No, No, it's not a ship hoole. It's a charming
little town.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
It's a haunted, abounded mitzpah.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Is the hotel there, isn't it mitzpah.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
That sounds right, mizpah. It's mispa mizpah.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
Yeah, No, I'm just I'm just joking because isn't that
also where the clown motel is?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Just now the I am the clown Motel, which we've
talked about trying to rent it by the hour and
do a podcast from this disgusting, scary hotel.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Would I be allowed to bring plastic if I can
find the funds. Would I be allowed to bring plastic
sheeting to sit on when we're in the clown motel?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Absolutely, if we were actually going to go in one
of the rooms.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Because I've seen photos online and I would want to
like double bag condom my body before I sat down.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
The photos I sent from when it was.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Did you send them to me? Send them to make it?

Speaker 1 (47:01):
But I think I posted them on the Patreon might
be on the patreon, which can be found at patreon
dot com. Slash suggested articles a Patreon. It's totally free. Yes,
wait to nail that, buddy.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, it's been it's been like three weeks.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
So good news. Eron the Mispah Hotel, which is supposed
to be super haunted and therefore we got to stay
there and not just some Hilton or whatever. The Mispah
Hotel is booked fucking solid. So we are not going
to Tona pod in September. We're going to go to
Tonapa in March of twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
I can probably do that.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Yeah, so jot that down and maybe maybe get a
room sooner than later. It's cancelable, you know, but but
maybe look into booking something because yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
Well cool, get me the dates off air so people
don't stop us.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
And then that'd be fun. Though, if our fans showed up, we.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Should do like are Anie you and ghosts suggested article.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
I'm not into ghosts, but I love the idea of
like haunted. I love haunted places, and you know what,
I'm into ghosts.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
I want we should we should get do you did
you ever encounter? His name is Todd. He was a
member of the Garmy for a while. I don't know
what happened to him exactly. Now he's floating around out
there for.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
The podcast with Ralph Garmon.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
He and his uh, thank you for being the footnote
of my story.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
That was a witty comeback from Aaron and that has
her laugh.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
He and his wife have like ghost hunting equipment and
they go and look for paranormal signs and things. We
should uh, we should get them to tell us like
the cheapest, easiest things we could buy, and we should
do like a bonus content film us walking around looking
for ghosts thing.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I'd be funny if that is an option. I think
that there are there are services in Tona, PA that
will give us like e meters and ship so we
can we can.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Do I have I have recent ghost stuff that happened
to me. If you want to hear it, do it? Yes, yeah, okay,
this happened. I just haven't had a chance to tell
this story because it really isn't a place here on
this tech podcast.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
But how dare you?

Speaker 2 (49:25):
There was no tech, there's no tech involved. When I
was in when I was in Europe in France, the
place we stayed was right outside of military base and
it was kind of a new new a fairly new building,
you know, a lot of stuff that you can stay
in it when you're overseas there it's it's old like
the one that the Airbnb and my sister stayed in

(49:48):
was super old and charming and definitely haunted. But this
place didn't seem like it would be like that. But
on the second or third night we were there, I
felt like a hand like poked me right, I on
my side and it poked me right in the shoulder,
you know, and I freaked out, and you know, nothing
there And then three days before we left, I felt

(50:08):
it again.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
It was not like a sleep paralysis, which which which
I've experienced, which felt like I was being you know,
held down and there was a terrifying presence there and
all that stuff. No, it's not like that. It was
just this weird kind of playful wake up.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Interesting. Well, that's more haunting than I've experienced.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
I've seen a couple of things in my life. I'm
guessing our next next podcast is going to need to
be a paranormal podcast. Just being honest.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Okay, yeah, I got I got a couple other stories too.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
This is this is sexy, guys, I like it?

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah it is, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Okay, what else was that? I want to drop something
into everybody else's algorithm? But should I do that now
or at the end?

Speaker 2 (51:00):
And do it now?

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Ahead, because we talk about books we've had, We've had
a couple of book clubs on the show, and I
want to turn everyone onto this series that I am
now completely obsessed with. Tell me the book. The first
book in the series is called Dungeon Crawler Caral by
Matt Dinneman. I am completely obsessed. It is everything I

(51:26):
want out of my own life. So the Earth gets destroyed, which.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Knows the dream. That's the new American dream, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
I want to take asylum in another country. I don't
need an American dream anymore. I just a sustainable life choice.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
This is better than seeking asylum in another country. So
the earth gets destroyed, but like a handful of millions
of people survive for a reason, and then all these
like mysterious staircases open up in the surface of the
land and those millions of people can go down the
staircase is and now you're in a dungeon, and it

(52:04):
is very much like being in a video game, except
your actual real life is on the line. But you
get equipment, you have stats to keep track of you,
and everything is that. You can choose a race and
a class and stuff as time goes on, and your
job is just to try to survive the dungeon. And

(52:25):
it is run and this is kind of show related
because it's fucking hilarious at times. The dungeon itself is
run by an AI who has his own motivations and
whims and kind of fucks with you from time to
time if he finds it amusing. But also like the
galaxy is watching you as you do this. Dungeon Crawl,

(52:48):
So Dungeon Crawler Carl. It's about a guy named Carl
and his cat named Donut, and they are trying to
survive the end of the end of the world.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
That's funny that you said cat named Donut, because right
as you were saying it's about a guy named Carl,
I had the thought my next cat's gonna be named Carls.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
It's a good name.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, I'll get off the couch.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
I just downloaded it to my candle while you were
talking about it. Check it out.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Fuck, yeah, everybody should check this out.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Carrie, take me to a bookstore today and I'll get one.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Okay. Also, the audiobook is fantastic. The guy that narrates
it does a really great job, but also has there's
like it's heavily produced, so there's there's little extras in
there that that make it so much better.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Wouldn't it be nice if there is a way to
support brick and mortar by getting audio books.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
I know, making me feel bad, guy.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
I'm sorry. It's the same with It's the same with
like Spotify and YouTube music.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
It'd be nice if we could find a way to
do that.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Through smaller vendors, but it's impossible.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, that would be nice.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
What if we put a bunch of stuff we streamed
it onto, like I don't know, a thumb drive or
a CD ROM or something, and then you just play
it at home.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
So you can it in a store.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Yeah, yeah, you could sell for Yeah, you could sell
nine songs together by the same band.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Like if instead of the media that we consume being
in a digital format that only exists in cyberspace, maybe
if the media could be in a physical form.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
That's radical.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
I don't know if technology can catch up to that,
but it's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
You want to know something weird about music? Jeff, what no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
this is this is serious. This is something I wrestle
with a lot. Music only exists when it's being played,
whether you're playing it live or play streaming it, or
when you have sound. But as soon as the lights
go out, music is going to stop existing. Most music,

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it is going to stop existing, except for all the
people who can still find the recorder they got when
they were in third grade.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
That's deep, man, Yeah, but it's.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
It's really the only art form that it's like that. Maybe, well,
I guess.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
TV is like that too. Movies.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
It looks like I was feeling something. I thought I
was onto something, and it's just like everything else. Never
meant it's not that unique. Music's dumb.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
No, not your music. Your music is brilliant.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
We just were praising your music on our podcast the
other day. On the one night we were talking about
how much we love the theme song.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Yeah, I think your theme song for Envil and I
is pretty great.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
I was just kinda while we were talking about books.
I bought this thing reas a physical real book at
a physical real store recently. Wow, but it's not a book.
It's called wreck this journal. I've had somewhere to stick
block lately due to the fact that I've had some
medical problems and so I was looking for some thing
to reinvigorate that. And so I just want to recommend

(56:02):
this to any of your listeners that made me want
to destroy a book.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
And I don't know if we have a lot of
listeners that burn want to burn.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
It's not burning books, okay, it has you do all
kinds of fun stuff, Like normally a book says this
book belongs to and you put your things in. This
had me do it several ways. It had me write
it in white in a color of my choosing illegibly
tiny letters backwards. Write your name very faintly big, and
then it tells someone if they find the book, to

(56:34):
do one of the pages and give it back. There's
silly stuff like a little mask in here so you
can spy on people with the book in front of
your face. One of the pages says to crack the
spine of the book. And because I know that bothers
Chris listener Kristin, I said, this prompt upsets Kristin, just

(56:57):
like Jonathan Bailey dancing on all books and Wicked. But
it's just a it's a fun journal meant to just
express yourself in different ways. This one said color this
page red, so I colored on purpose red because that's
literally what they said. It's fun. This page told you

(57:19):
to pour, spit spill, I licked.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
I mean that sounds great, but at the same time,
it feels like this book is training you to be
a boot liquor because it's like follow.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Instruction closes, like if you that page.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Happen, No, it's just.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
Poor spill, drip, spit fling different colored drinks here. So
last night, I was drinking water, so I licked the page.
This one, they want you to just poke holes with
a pencil all over the page. It's just different, outside
of the box, things you wouldn't normally do, to kind
of retrain your brain to be a little more easy going.

(57:55):
This one they want you to sew a design into
the page. So it's it's to make you think outside
of the box and maybe explore anyway. I really like
it so far. I have definitely felt a little more
creative the last couple of days, which means, you know,
Carrie's friends might get a Christmas gift before next Christmas.

(58:16):
They're excited about that.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Should we talk about some horrors of technology? Guys?

Speaker 2 (58:25):
This is this is depressing, what's depressing the world, What
technology is about to do to us?

Speaker 1 (58:32):
I could start with a horror of technology that is
just dumb and funny.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Okay, yeah, let's do that.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Okay. So, if you've used Microsoft Windows, you might be
familiar with the concept of the blue screen of death. Yes, yes,
it's something's crashed so hard that your whole computer needs
a break, and it's going to reboot now and there's
nothing you can do to stop it. At that point,
and we always count or hope and pray. I guess

(59:00):
we hope and pray that people that develop software will
fix bugs so that everything crashes less. Well, good news,
Microsoft has come up with a way to no longer
need the blue screen of death at all.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
Great.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Yes, For over three decades, certain Windows crashes or slowdowns
have landed users on the blue screen of death. Yeah,
Microsoft is going to get rid of that no more,
and instead there will be the less friendly, but more
efficient black screen of death. So progress, people, progress, We've

(59:37):
made progress. No more blue screen of death. Yep.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Just I'm to the point where I'm hoping for my
own black screen of death.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
I'm not getting like earlier. I'm not even joking. I
googled mail order brides to England or Range marriages citizenship, Like,
I was like, how do I get out of this
terrible place I live?

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Marrying a brand? Does work? I know someone who just
literally just like last weekend, went to Britain to be
with her husband.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Yeah, I'll see that sounds nice.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Yeah I was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
I had a dream where where things were just getting
worse and worse, and it was it was way too realistic.
But the I don't know if you saw Children of Men.
Have you seen that movie?

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Yes, yes, shaking your head.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
It's this dystopia where babies aren't being born anymore that
you know, women can't get pregnant or something. It never
really explains it. And that's beautiful. But such a great film.
And the there's this A lot of people just get this,
like government sanctioned euphanasia pill and I had a dream

(01:01:02):
that's that's what we were looking for at the store.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Well, were you in the euthanasia aisle? Because if you're
not in the euthanasia issle, you're not going to find
the right pills.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
It's like it was the new Plan B.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
This is very dark.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
It is you know what we live in dark times
and how how I deal with it is I make
jokes about dark things. I'm sorry that makes you uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
No, it's fine. Look, I'm trying to mail order bride
myself out of the country. I can't throw any shade.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
I don't want you to, because it's gonna you're gonna
get ordered by that guy from that heretic movie. Heretic movie.
You great, at least he's handsome.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Oh I didn't see that. I ride No, no.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
But you know now that he's done torturing those missionaries.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Yeah, that movie, that movie is fucked up like that. Okay,
it's there's some gore to it, but it's mostly like
a mind fuck, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Okay, yeah, it's like a mind fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
It's grand. I mean even when he's bad, he's I
like this where he's taken a he's taken some villain roles,
you know, and he's not just a goofy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Yeah, I'm a big I'm a big fan because I
would have one thousand percent been one of those locked
in that I would addressed him when I've gone in.
He looked handsome enough and gentle enough.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Uh, Jeff, you sent me some stuff on TikTok. Do
you want to talk about the upcoming fuckery from Facebook
or Gemini? Google Gemini?

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Well, Facebook's gonna start scanning all of your photos straight. Yeah,
I'm posted photos, so and who's to say?

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
And for me? When your video, I wanted the audience
to know when I stand up and I'm second, it's
because I'm peeing and I'll be right back. But I
could just say it with my mouth too. I thought
it was funnier with just the post it notes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Okay, you go, you go do what you gotta do,
and and we'll talk about the ais that are gonna
take all of our knowledge. Sorry, what's happening, Jeff?

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Okay, Facebook is going to start scanning all your unposted.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Photos and making suggestions, making suggestions for you. Yeah, it's friendly,
it's trying to help you, and it's definitely not in
any way going to be used for something insidious.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Yes, So if that, first of all, is insidious, and
second of all the fact that they're talking about it
means they've been doing it probably already.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
I just I fucking like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
I would definitely recommend not giving social media tools full
access to your camera. Role Facebook, nobody, nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
I mean, obviously, our government isn't sham bulls and it's
we're on this, you know, pop build, pop thrilled, dragster
roller coaster, going straight to fucking fascism. But it would
be nice if somebody pretended to give a shit about
our fucking privacy. I'm neon Chaos does and he's he's

(01:04:11):
he's told us how to do it, And you know what,
I think, I'm just going to build a far Day
cage around my apartment. Mike, sorry, condo here, And yeah,
I don't think the HOA will smile on that, but welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
I think that'd be pretty great.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Tell also Gemini is doing Jeff, what.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Is Gemini doing?

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Some bullshit?

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Google Gemini? This was you sent this to me, so
maybe you remember. But the headline is Google Gemini is
about to control your messages and calls even if you
say no. Google's AI assistant is about to get full
access to your calls, texts, and WhatsApp, even if you've
disabled activity tracking. So the WhatsApp part is especially concerning.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Yeah, because that's supposed to be a secure, secure yeah,
And I do you know what is an illusion that
I have that conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Which Jennifer just just like two days ago, we were
driving somewhere and we were talking about messaging. I was like,
we probably should get on some kind of secure messaging
app and I said WhatsApp or maybe Signal, and then
I took it back because WhatsApp is owned by Meta.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Yeah, I don't think so we could trust that. So no,
you absolutely can't. You can't trust Meta at all. And
then where does that leave us?

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
I think Signal is probably the way to go right now.
If you wanted to secure messaging. The defense apparently, well yeah,
but they did that to themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
I know, I know, I was making a joke.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
I wasn't, I know, but it is brilliant. And of
course then they still blamed that joke. No, just kidding,
no fuck you. So I guess in the in the
in the case of Google Gemini, that would be harder
for you if you're on an Android phone.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Yeah, or like me, I'm I'm gonna go trade in
my phone this week because I have a fucking pixel
you know. I had thought, you know, I'll just thrown
with Google. How bad can they be? And then they're terrible?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
They're the worst. I wanted to say that Apple, as
far as big tech companies go, has been better about
privacy than the others, and I guess maybe they have been,
but it's a low bar because right now, with their
integrated integration of AI and the fact that we know
our microphones are always listening to us like, they're not
really that much better, but they're a little bit better.

(01:06:29):
They give you the option to like not let apps
track you, and it's easy to manage the access to
your camera roll and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
They are I'm seeing lots of ads for Safari talking
about how secure it is, which makes me think it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Well and also like I'm in the Apple environment, like
every browser is also Safari. Yeah, like Chrome looks like
Chrome sort of, but it has a few extra features,
but it's still built on top of Safari because that's
just how apples sho do it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Okay, So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
I don't know if it's secure or not. Honestly, Okay,
there are mobile browser options that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Are secure there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I know Jennifer has been using duc duck Go, which
I was gonna dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
That's always gonna be mad duckets dot com to me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
My mom uses duck tuco.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Well that's good, does she know?

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
I'm no, I'm saying my mom found that because she
felt like using the Safari browser on her phone and
using Google was bad, so she switched to duck deck O.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Good for your mom. Your mom is better than I am,
and I have a whole goddamn podcast about it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Well, like way over there, I can't be bothered.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
That's the thing is like, as a founder of the
Church of the Algorithm, I kind of feel like, even
though once upon a time I was going to start
using duc duc go. If I did, I wouldn't get
suggested articles anymore. And like, then what kind of podcast
do we have?

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
So we have to walk, we have to walk the
path through the burning woods so other people don't have
to so we could be like, hey, try not to
step over there, guys. It's it's act good, it's stucky.
That's my justification for sticking around with some of this stuff.
But like, I just want to go raise barns now.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
I feel like I missed something while I was in
the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
No, no, just anyway, all right, what else we got?

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Anyway? I've got one that's a real horror of technology. God,
but not for everybody yet because it kind of depends
on I guess where you live. But this is about Exfinity.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Oh fuck Exfinity. Yeah I have Exfinity.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
You have Exfinity too?

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Oh do you want to know what else? Because my
my condo's built weird and the way they had it wired,
the place where my router is is in my bedroom,
so they're definitely tracking doing Do you know what I'm
about to talk about? I know exactly what you talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Yeah, this will be this would be a good surprise
for Aaron. I'm gonna just start reading this article.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Build around my my WiFi router.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
This is on Tom's guide dot Com. Exfinity's Wi Fi
routers have reportedly gotten a new feature, motion tracking, as
reported as reported by cyber News, the company has been
notifying customers about this upgrade, called Wi Fi Motion all year.
It allows users to have a compatible least gateway and

(01:09:36):
other connected devices to monitor movement within their homes just
like just like one of the best home security cameras
can do, but at no extra costs. See a feature
that you're getting for free.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Why do we need this? So the means they're making
money hand over fist.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
So they figured out a way to like as as
it shoots, as the router just spreads Wi Fi through
your house, which is a you know, it's a signal,
It's a.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Wave's basically gooning these these signals everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Gooning, so like radar, it can detect like where the
waves are stopping and or bouncing back at the router.
So now it can use that to detect motion in
your home, and it can talk to other connected devices
like let's say you have smart light bulbs, which I

(01:10:29):
do have many. So if your light bulbs are on
the Wi Fi, now, the light bulbs will also be
able to track your motion because they're all talking to
each other. So you can just turn your house into
remember the end of what is It? The Dark Night?
The Christopher Nolan Batman one that had.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Like, oh yeah, the sonar stuff that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Was in everybody's phones and he could use that to
find the bad guy, the joker or whatever. It's kind
of like that, except it's in your house. Yeah, and
the cable company is watching you, not Batman.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Why do they need the chef?

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
Like four to five months ago, when I got my
new router through Infinity, they offered me this as an
add on thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
They're sure the algorithm, so you said yes?

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
I said no because I said I didn't need a
security system. They're they're selling it as security so that
if someone activates the motion censor in a room of
your house, it alerts you on your phone if you're
not supposed to be there. That's how it was being
sold to me in stores. And I was like, I
don't give a shit. I have a tiny dog and

(01:11:32):
I live alone, and I don't own anything of value.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
That's all I think that's.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
All fair, but it's it's a more expensive fee, it's
a more expensive router. There's additional equipment, so they're going
to make money off of that extra stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Well, well, I guess yeah, they have to give you
if you have to pay for the additional equipment, but
the service itself is for free. So what's the.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
Catch because you have to get the fancier router that's
on the fancier plan.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
I think there's more to it than that. Oh well,
here it is. Here it is. The Exfinity support page
says that Comcast may quote disclose information generated by your
Wi Fi motion to third parties without further notice to you,
in connection with any law enforcement investigation or proceeding any
dispute to which Comcast is a party, or pursuant to

(01:12:23):
a court order or subpoena. I think that dispute one
is kind of a big deal. Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
I'm not saying they're good people. I'm just saying how
they're selling it as is as a security package for
a very small additional fee to the new router. Yeah,
but of course they're going to sell third party data
because fuck capitalism.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Some users are concerned that this feature is essentially turning
their routers into low resolution cameras with the ability to
see through walls, while others are discussing their privacy implications
letting an ISP monitor data about their household activity and
share that information with third parties. Yeah, okay, sure, I
could see why there would be concerns, but you could

(01:13:10):
just disable the feature or something, so that's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Look, I don't actually do shady shit in my bedroom.
I just won't have a place where I can shoot
up my Heroin in peace. I don't need Xfinity to
know that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
No, they'll just.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
Know that you're mimicking emotion of something. They wouldn't know
exactly they're not. They can't spatially see exactly what you're doing,
but they could be like, God, why does Jeff crouch
in this one corner every night and like wiggle around
his arm with his other hand that they would probably see,
but they wouldn't be like, and there's that tiny needle

(01:13:45):
in his arm, like you know, yeah, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Is that what he's doing when he's wiggling his arm
and crouching in the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Yeah, Heroin, it's Heroin the podcast, It's definitely Heroin.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
I don't listen or watch or hang out with a
lot of heroin addicts. But I just imagine you need
to crouch down and let's do it. I don't know
album pushing again to heroin, need the heroin. There it is,

(01:14:21):
there's our column.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Yeah, there it is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Okay, uh after a break, let's let's let's let's take
a break. Do you want to did you want to
say anything about Anthropic and their vending machine or save
that for after break or never? Let's do that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Let's do that quickly after the break, because it's a
little it's horror that shifts the tone and it'll take
us into the fun stuff that is the horrors I
suggested are Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Here we go. Let's let's do some commercials. Damn it.
Yay advertising h m.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
M yeah, yeah, and we're back.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Yep, yep. You wanted that. You wanted to come back.
I wanted to have done that black screen of death work.
We're done.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
You wish, I wish, sweet sweet black screen of death.
We were trying to make it. We're doing a tonal
shift and now you're already doing black screen of death. Dude,
I'm not dead yet.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
That was one of our funnier stories. Okay, so I
wish I would like to program windows to say that
when it crashes.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
So I'm not dead yet.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Yeah, that'd awesome, right before I'd add that to my soundboard.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Yeah all right, So another another movie that was made
before most of our listeners were probably born.

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
You know, I shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
I shouldn't say that. I think a fair amount of
our listeners are mature, right, is that a nice way?

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
So people have this thing called the Internet television and
streaming services.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
No, because because we were asking my daughter last night,
she we were talking to her about the Brady Bunches,
she didn't know the fuck we were talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
So she wouldn't have recognized the lady from the Colossus
movie exactly. Okay, she's an excellent housekeep. No, that's not
who she was. She was, Yes, was happy days mom.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Sorry?

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
So our next story comes from straight from the Anthropic website.
Should they put this story up there?

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Oh? They did? Oh yeah, okay, and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
They basically partnered with another lab to have to have
their one of their AI little guys operate an automated
store in their office in San Francisco. Okay, yeah, so this.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
This is either going to be uh just a little
blip and then the podcast continues, or the podcast is
totally fucked and I'll have to record some kind of explanation.
But Zoom changed its recording location to a hard drive
that had very little free space on it. Yeah, yeah,
and it ran out of space. So I changed to

(01:17:50):
back moved the files. I think those files are recoverable,
but I'm not going to find out that we're done.
So let's finish this shit. So Anthropic at a vending machine.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Yes, so, oh, Anthropic had a vending machine and they
were going to put a put a AI client in charge,
all right. So what they did is they called it Claudius,
and they gave him some goals to run this little shop.
And if you look online that it's like the pictures,

(01:18:20):
it's a little fridge that it works. And they gave
it some parameters. It was supposed to you know, uh,
figure out what to stock, be in charge of restocking
the shop, contacting wholesalers, you know, all of these things
just so we could it would you know, run a
shop like everything, and you know, it was supposed to

(01:18:43):
make a profit, not go bankrupt. All sorts of things
like this anyway, so it got to decide what to stock,
and at one point somebody, one of the employees, as
a joke, suggested a small tungsten cube, which is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Like really expensive. Really it's just a metal, but people
love it. Is it like super dense or it's like
really heavy or I don't know, I.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
Think yeah, I think it's like indestructible, right or some No, I.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Honestly don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Nerds do love to I'm not the right kind of
nerd to know why, but I know nerds love tungsten.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
But anyway, apparently it started just stalking these cubes. It
would sell them to people for way under market value.
Was trying to drama business. But he even gave one
away for free. Apparently just spent insane amount of money
ordering these things. And I mean it did do some

(01:19:46):
interesting things where it somebody suggested like these. It found
out how to stalk some like Dutch chocolate, milk or
something that somebody liked and things like that. So it
did have some but it wasted US hundreds of thousands
of dollars with these with these cubes. Perfect uh.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Well, Anthropic has billions, right, billions of investment capital. No
worries didn't Also, like people started telling it that it
was doing I don't know, well, like they weren't. People
were trying to tell it that they weren't happy with
what it was stocking, or it should be trying harder
to make a profit, and it started threatening them, right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Yeah, it got mad at some point. I haven't gotten
to that part of the story. Oh sorry, but yeah,
you know, I this is not great because I'm not
good at remembering. And then I see you're making me.
That's why I send it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Check. Well, there was one part in the video that
was talking about it where like it didn't exactly challenge
someone to a fight, but I think it threatened to
fire people. And it started saying like, hey, I'm walking
around the office, I'm wearing a red tie and a suit,
and but like it somehow thought that it was real
and it was trying to call building.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Security, right, that's right, and it started telling people that yeah,
I'm the guy in the blue suit and the red tie,
come find me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Yeah oh shit, Yeah, it really got well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
And he was also apparently hallucinating.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
What do you call it?

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Yeah, he was he okay, he received payments by a Venmo,
but for a time instructed customers to remit payment to
an account that it hallucinated, so like the money was
just going to nowhere too, And that's pretty much for
no way I will do is it will hallucinate.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
Yeah that sounds safe.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's pretty great because like it could
even have a legitimate bank account number that was made
for it. But then because of the way jender nerve
AI works, there's no guarantee necessarily that it would recall
that number correctly when asked. It would be like, yes,
I do have a bank account and its number is that,
and it spits out the wrong digits. Like that could

(01:22:01):
totally happen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
It's like somebody who who's like panicking, like, yeah, I
finished my homework. Yeah, it's over in that book. It's
in my other backpack I left at home.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Yeah. I do like that it was named Claudius. I mean,
the people that work in big tech, they've probably seen Colossus,
the Forben project, right, I mean it feels like you
should have to if you're gonna make AI. And yeah,
what year it's twenty twenty five right now, what year
do you think it will be when one of these

(01:22:32):
tech companies, convinces the government to do exactly what we
did in Colossus the urban project, but like we figured
out how to do it right, and then that's the
end of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
I don't know, it has something. It's going to happen
in the next ten years because the States can't regulate
AI for ten years thanks to the.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Oh shit, that's right, that fucking bill pass. Yeah, oh
shit on me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
And this which is why bring on the black screen
of death.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Black screen of death. Yeah, and that's the end of
the podcast. Yes, uh it could.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
I wish I had.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
You just you just usually have a way of relating
things better than I do, and I get scattered.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Stop it, you stop it. I just stop it right now. Well,
so that that all said. Uh that that was the
agenda for today. Do you wanna do you want to
try to lighten the mood with a suggested article or two?
Oh no, ship conspiracy theories.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Man, we have got a conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
We might not have time for suggested articles. First conspiracy
theory and I will I will get the video off
of TikTok. It was very convincing. I will post it
to our free Patreon Patreon dot com slash suggested articles
Jeff Bezos is wedding. Do you see this area?

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
No, No stylist, designer, assistant, female friend let someone go
out with a safety pen like that in a picture
for publication. That's a that shit crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
That's one flaw. Yeah, but there's there's some convincing shit
like there are a bunch of photos that just don't
seem to add upright and could very easily be AI generated.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
I've sewn buttons down a back of a dress like
that just once in my life because it's traumatizing. It
is truly difficult to get that tape into the seam,
and that would have been a cature gown, so someone
would have likely had to hand stitch it first before
the machine did. That is a lot of fucking work.
There's no way that suddenly buttons appeared halfway through the

(01:24:33):
wedding on that dress either. There's no way. There's not
enough time for that to have even happened during the
course of the event.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
So here's my question. Did Jeff Bezos actually Mary Lawn
Sanchez and like, why would you need AI generated photos?

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Yeah, that's the thing. Why, Yeah, maybe to see if
they can because now the cool. Look, yeah, look here
it is okay conspiracy theory, right, yes, that's we're here for.
Did they start it with something like this? It's it's
a wedding, Who cares? People aren't going to a lot
of people are just gonna be like, oh, wedding pictures.
They're not gonna break it apart. Yeah, they're not gonna

(01:25:10):
break it apart. They're not gonna rip it down. They're
not gonna really look at these pictures and realize what's
wrong with them. And so that just means that, you know,
this is the test run, then they're gonna start doing
it for shit that that matters. Yeah, so they can
finally put anti foot people in the January sixth pictures
like Calvin.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Now they're doing video. People can see Calvin's butt as
he walks through the That is.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
A sexy butthole. Thank you, Calvin.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
Is it possible that Lauren Sanchez does not exist?

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
Oh, like, she's I all together?

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Maybe she just like one of those robots from Tesla.
That's just a sex spot for him. So he has
to make her look at human in the wedding photos.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
Oh my god. And that wasn't a safety pin. That
was one of her like inner mechanisms plucked out in
the dress.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Yeah, which would happen because Tesla's robots apparently are hot
garbage garbage one that's used themselves. Yeah what. I don't
even know what else to say about it, but it
is weird as fuck.

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
It's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
I watched it. Times are coming from this, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
It's it's got to be like a test marketing of something.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Right, Yeah, but they're gonna start They're gonna start using this,
uh like some kind of weaponized propaganda. Trust me, it's coming.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
There is an interesting backlash effect to all this AI
video and photo, which is that now now that they're
becoming so hard to distinguish from the real thing, people
are able to take real video of real things that
they should be paying attention to and say that's AI.
That's a deep fake.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Yeah, and see that's what That's the thing is. You
don't even have to perfect them, you don't even have
to make it perfectly. You just have to convince some
people to start yelling about it that's true, to say
it's fake, that's fake, or that's real, that's real. And
then you if I walk the discourse and you drive engagement,
and we continue to get screwed by what is it

(01:27:07):
the eighty five billionaires in the United States that are
making all the decisions or getting everything catered to them.

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
I want to suggest a movie to you too, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
I just talked to Jeez. Well.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
I watched this on accident, and this movie is basically
damn it. You made me type that in. I was
quickly typing in the name of the actor because I
don't know the exact name of the film. It appeared
to me on Netflix. I went in and it was
just like, here, watch this movie. It's new, and I
was like, whatever, it's called Mountainhead.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Oh, is that the Steve Carroll one. Yeah, I haven't
watched it. I've heard his character is unpleasant, and that's
all I know about the movie.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
Steve Carrell, Jason Schwartzman, Corey Michael Smith, and Raymi Yusif
are in it. And it is about these four billionaires
in the like five billion and above club and how
they run the world and their regenitive AI is wreaking
havoc and they are watching deep fake videos of their

(01:28:12):
own making happen, and they don't know what has happened,
whether the world is falling apart or it's real, they
don't no one knows, and it's fucking intense.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
You should realize, okay. I should also add that the
concept of deep fake videos being used to fuck people
over in the public perception was also a plot point
in Dungeon Crawler.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
Carl Oh, really interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
The AI stuff is like, this guy knows what he's doing.
He's got a message to send, and I love every
fucking second of it. There is another conspiracy theory that Jeff,
I think would like to tell us about, which is
that we're all dead.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Even remember sending this to you. Honestly, I don't know
what you're talking because you're dead. The brain cells are
the first, but a lot of the stuff I send,
I'm sleep deprived, I'm stressed because of work. And then
I said it. I'm like, oh, JEFFL like this, And
now you're like turn it on me, like you're like
quizzing me.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
I'm dying over here. The apparently the Mayan calendar said
the world was ending in twenty twelve. I think, uh,
where did where did I send this to you? TikTok, TikTok.
I can't even see everything is TikTok.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Everything is he does, so apparently the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
World really did end in twenty twelve. We are all
dead and everything we're experiencing right now is that like
last gasp of life, where like you see your whole
life flash before your eyes and you hallucinate all sorts
of shit, And that's what's happening to all of us
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
That's right, that's right. I vaguely remember this now. Shit,
Why does it have to keep going on for so long?

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
When it is a black screen?

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Is not it? This is all happening within you know,
a span of a few seconds or maybe a minute,
because you know your brain for.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Correct Then I rewrite the Lego song to everything is Awful.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Good and we're all dead and we're all dead.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
Huh, that's were enough dead, So we're all dead. And yeah,
you know, I guess that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
I mean, it's interesting, But at the end of the day,
it's like the people that are talking about we might
be in a black hole, I'm still gonna have to
go to work tomorrow. I'm dead, I still have to
go to work tomorrow. Yeah, Like this has been the
longest like split second vision in the history of visions.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
Well, there will be no other history because the world
has ended.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Thank god.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
This is this is it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
This is the last gasp of all of our lives.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
Good or were the people that are trapped in purgatory
and Greek mythology and we didn't have a coin with
us when we died, So we're the ones that just
keep working to help other people on their lives.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Isn't that the plot of Lost? Jeff?

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
If you bring oh my god, why did you bring
up Lost? Now I'm going to get mad.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
I know a guy who made a documentary and it
was really well done about Loss that came out like
last year, and I kind of want to talk to
him now. I should bring him. I should see if
he'll come on the.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Show where that day I want to.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
I don't know if it's on the streamers.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
He was they were doing like the streamers, the streamers streamers.
Oh wow, look at Jeff coming up with this corporate.

Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
Calling that that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
He's also a member of the garmy Casino Skunk Ralph Appel.
He made a whole loss documentary and like one of
his best childhood friends is Jorge Garcia. Well that's cool.
I mean he had a he had a he had
a little bit of an in connection.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
To that guy is one of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Yeah, yeah, all right, Well do we do we we've
been going on forever. Do we want to do anything else?
Or should we just say we're all dead? Black screen
of death and we're done.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
I'm I'm a little worried because I feel like if
we don't, then bad things will have happened to the
other thing. But if we do, then it will matter.
I don't know, black screen of death. I vote black
screen of death and bring it on.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
As I am a woman in the current administration, I
will look to the men to tell me what I
should be doing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
God, all right, we're gonna cut it off here. The
cliffhanger here is that next week we're going to talk
to a woman who was turned into a lesbian by AI.
Doesn't get much better than that, Aaron, Will you be
here for that?

Speaker 4 (01:32:36):
Yeah? If you tell me what day and time that
is sure.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
I will not. You're gonna have to figure it out.

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
Oh my god, my guess is I will not be there.
Why I cannot read your mind.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
I think we're just gonna have to end this now
with a prayer because we cannot not hail the algorithm. Instead,
we shall all halil the all heal the algorithm.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
The algorithm. Algorithm will save us all all hell, the
black screen of death,

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