December 24, 2024 • 44 mins
Join the host Blaine Duncan as he introduces the premise of show "Taking I Down" as the one podcast to hear get your knowledgek of hosts join for their favorite moments from 2024, which from television, movies, books, and music that brought them joy. The conversation kicks off with a spirited discussion of the standout series "Shogun" and the impressive finale of "What We Do In The Shadows." They delve into the series' final season, exploring its unique blend of humor and meta-commentary, while acknowledging fan reactions to unresolved storylines and character relationships. The hosts also touch on their personal experiences with live music and literature that impacted them throughout the year. With a mix of wit and insight, this episode encapsulates a year of entertainment worth celebrating.
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Hey, welcome to Taking it down.
If this is your first time tolisten, we're the TV and streaming
podcast for the Alabama Take website.
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Actually, more than usinvolved with that, it just hit me
that today, if you'relistening on Tuesday, some of you
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do.
We know that if you'relistening on Tuesday, you might be
celebrating Christmas Eve withyour family or alone or you're preparing
food for tomorrow.
Thanks for listening.
Merry Christmas to you.
Happy holidays.
To anyone else, if you'relistening later in the week, happy
Hanukkah, Happy holidays.
To whatever holiday youcelebrate, that's great and we hope
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it's a good one.
Today on the podcast, I'mgoing to be asking the two hosts
about what brought thempleasure in 2024.
TV shows.
Of course, that's our forte,but we will stretch the boundaries
of the show just a little.
I'll ask them what things theyfound delight in this year with books
and things.
Movies, of course.
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And then still in the nonspoiler section, we will be talking
about what we do in the Shadows.
Its finale.
It ended it.
The sixth season ended andthat's the end of the show.
Then the spoiler section.
Donovan and I will talk aboutwhat we thought about the series
kind of as a whole and theseries finale and what it did, what
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we liked, what we didn't like,if it worked, if it did not work.
We also get into a little offan culture, fans wanting to write
the show as part of what we doon in the Shadows Talk in the spoiler
side of things.
Again, if you're new, we donon spoiler talk.
Then we do a break and thenfrom there we'll do spoiler talk
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in case you haven't caught upon the show or you want to save it
for later.
And again, if you're listeningon Christmas Eve or Christmas Day,
have a great one.
I hope you get what you want.
Hope you're able to get yourkids what you want.
If you need anything, let us know.
And if we can help, we will try.
Okay, get in the show.
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Projection.
Welcome, Adam and Donovan.
Thanks for spending some ofyour day with me.
And gentlemen, this is ourlast episode of the year.
We'll be off next week so thata couple of us can gather in person.
So I want to give you both achance to tell me your favorite moments
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from 2024, which Adam willhate because he sees New Year's Eve
as arbitrary time for any listMaking, resolving or reflecting.
He does it on a morning bymorning basis.
He updates his best of the year.
Every day at 9:30am overcoffee, sometimes a cig.
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You guys are on the email list.
You get it?
Yeah, yeah.
Let's start with our forte.
It's television.
Now, I.
My list will go up on thewebsite, the Alabama Take site this
week.
Sometimes you tell me what wasyour favorite show or even episode
of television or somethingabout TV or streaming you enjoyed
in 2024.
I think attentive listenerswill not be surprised at my answers,
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possibly everyone's answers.
Is it going to be that you aregoing to commit seppuku here live?
What a staff meeting.
Did you guys see, I want tobreak away briefly that Joe Burrow
gave his offensive lineauthentic, like katanas or some sort
of sword.
Yes.
And they were all like hadstories of where they'd been used
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and all of this stuff and.
But he has been hit so manytimes this year.
I mean, he's had the bestseason in the NFL as a quarterback,
yet is just getting pummeledand they're not a very good football
team.
So reading between the lines,I think he watched Shogun.
Yeah, he did.
You know, the honorable thingto do.
That's exactly what's going on.
No, number one show for all ofme for, for the year for me was Shogun.
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Best episode being the lastone because they just threaded the
needle so well with it.
Great finale or season?
Finale.
I thought very, verytechnically started came in this
year, which would be the endof Fargo Season 5.
It did not air until Januaryof this year.
And I thought they threadedthe needle on that ending very, very
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well too.
Started in December and thenended in January this year.
There you go.
I mean, I think we're allgoing to share Shogun, right?
But I'll tack on say nothing.
Oh, of course.
As a favorite for me, thosetwo are just head and shoulders above
everything else.
And I know me and Donovan werediscussing right before we started
our tendency towards recencybias, but I think obviously Shogun
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was from early this year andsay nothing's going to hold up, I
would have to think it's abookended year of television there.
Yeah, Shogun was one of thoseshows where I kind of can't believe
it exists and it worked like,it looks great.
It's well acted, it's gotreal, you know, real heart.
It's funny.
We love the engine.
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We got some mileage out of that.
Yeah.
I'll give my most improvedaward to House of the Dragon.
This year too, they had one.
Their dragon battle episodeabsolutely thrilled me to the core.
And I found the rest of itmuch more interesting than the first
season.
I could see that.
Probably not hard, right?
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Like you have two dragonsfight each other.
It's like take my money.
Yet a lot of people would saythat not a lot happened this season.
I'm okay with what happenedbecause I felt.
I felt like it had more happenthan the.
The first season was just some.
So much setup.
I was okay with this one.
Talk about staff meetings.
Let's rank the bosses of thisyear from best to worst.
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Best is of course from Shogun.
But you know, Matt Smith in asas Damian in House of the Dragon
makes a really good argumentfor worst boss.
Well, I do enjoy.
He truly frustrated thegeneral population who wanted like
a Game of Thrones thingbecause they're, you know, he dabbled
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in crazy and then went alittle bit further but didn't go
like far enough to be trulyoff the rails entertaining yet and
just there was no resolution.
They were not interested inoffering anything in the way of a
bookmark on that.
If you're not in the mood tosee Matt Smith wander bare ass naked
around a giant castle, thenthe show's not for you.
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Why do you even pay for HBO ifyou're not in any?
For that you're flushing yourdollars away.
I'm picturing a 76 year oldwoman with a checkbook writing her
check to her HBO subscriptionand then in the four line Matt Smith.
But it's a really long explanation.
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Maybe like a little heart orsmiley face next to it too.
Let's switch to movies.
Seems like we.
When I say we I mean thecountry still aren't back in theaters
like we were pre pandemic times.
That's probably an obvious statement.
I know we.
I know I have it.
But for me personally it's asmuch a result of familial life.
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The fact is we haven't seen alot of releases from 2024.
Me less so.
With the exception of thosethat have hit streaming.
We've watched those.
Do you have any favorites thatwith those qualifications in place
and I think Adam might havesnuck to the theater a few times
and Donovan did too.
In the way that we startedwith Shogun.
Talking television.
Dune was great.
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Dune is a movie.
A theater going experience was excellent.
I don't know that it was myfavorite movie that came out this
year, but I.
We're some months removed andI feel safe saying that I will remember
that evening going to see thatin the way that I remember, like
a flashback, 10 yearsinterstellar, that sort of thing,
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just as a really strong.
Like an event, a spectacle.
And then the other stuff thatI saw in the theater, I saw the.
There were standouts, make melook at movies in a new way or really
teach me anything new.
But the new Alien movie waspretty good.
It was pretty fun.
And then I think in terms ofpure joy and surprise and something
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that I have become anevangelist for, the kneecap movie.
It's on Netflix now.
But as a theater experience,that was also very fun to hear.
You know, the thing that youdon't think about with going to the
theater a lot of the time isthe sound.
Like how.
I mean, obviously we know thesound, the louder it is.
It's fun.
Everybody talked about thatwith Oppenheimer, all that stuff.
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But the sound of listening tokneecap music played at a blisteringly
loud volume with a very funcolor palette on screen was just
a good time.
It helped that I was the onlyone in the theater in Florence, Alabama
that day.
But yeah, those were funtheater experiences.
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I've yet to see it, being thecommoner that I am.
But will Nosferatu be myfavorite of the year?
I don't know.
Reviews on that seem so splitwith people I respect, like being
all in or saying it was kindof boring.
So I feel like it's gonna bea, hey, you gotta watch it for yourself
movie.
Things that are accused ofbeing boring, usually that's like
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a selling point to me.
Great.
Didn't come.
It came out in the US this year.
So I'll say probably my besttheater going experience was early
this year.
I went to see Godzilla minusone, and it was actually great.
It was.
I'm so glad I saw it in theaters.
It's an interesting story.
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Really kind of fascinating tosee them really explicitly linking
stuff like the firebombing ofTokyo and Godzilla attacking later
and all these kind of guys whoare left over from the war and have
various wounds having to dowhat they basically said they'd never
do again.
I thought that was a great movie.
I didn't manage to see it intheaters, but it's very funny to
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try to keep track of what'shappening in the Godzilla expanded
universe, because there's onethat came out recently that was truly
terrible.
Right.
And so I kept getting thatconfused with this one, getting buzzed
about.
Fortunately, didn't watch thewrong one.
I'm with you if that was agreat time.
They made it for like 15million bucks.
Too, which is just, oh, wow.
In the Marvel.
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Or like, other worlds whereit's sometimes, like, you can tell
they threw gobs of money atwhatever action scene and it looks
terrible.
To just have something be madeso smartly and look so good is incredible.
Sometimes you hear that therewere budget restraints, and so they
do things like, you don't seethe monster.
You don't.
They use tension instead ofspectacle, all that kind of thing
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that.
It didn't come off that way.
No.
There's tension and thenthere's big payoffs, too.
Another one not coming outthat did not come out this year,
but that was more readilyavailable this year that I was surprised
and delighted by was hundredsof beavers.
Yeah, I'm an evangelist for that.
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They got some air down here.
More.
More widely available.
That was the hardest.
I watched it with friends,which is, you know, when you're younger,
you watch movies with friendsall the time.
And this was, like, the onlytime that I had people over to my
house to watch a film this year.
And it was.
Someone was laughing, I thinkevery eight seconds.
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This is a dense, dense joke ratio.
That movie is so funnybecause, like, it knows 100 what
it is.
It is.
You know, we kind of had thisdiscussion the other day, right?
Like, Adam, I think you said,like, a lot of success when you're.
When you're an artist reallycomes from, like, kind of having
a clear idea of, like, whoyou're making this for.
Yeah.
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This was.
This was off.
Off recording.
Yes.
We were talking about this and this.
Clearly, this is one of thoseones where it's like, well, you were
either had me specifically inmind when you were making this, or
you made it for nobody butyour, you know, your own crazy self.
No Gladiator 2.
Shout out from either of you.
I still haven't been.
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Oh, I thought you both went.
Sorry, that's in my plans.
And I don't know that it wouldcrack this list, but I do want to
see it in theaters because, I mean.
Yeah, yeah.
The first one, I mean, I wouldpay full price just to go see the
opening battle of the firstGladiator on the big screen again.
Oh, hell, yeah.
Yeah, I've yet to see it, too.
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My best movie of the year is,you guessed it, Ant man and the Wasp.
Quantumania once again takesthe title.
Spent three years in a row.
I know.
Maybe you'll finally stoptexting us about it.
No, but of the few films I didsee this year, and I could talk about
them being good, happening athome, my old Ass, I think, would
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take the title.
That's.
I think I was.
I was hoping to either set youup or you to.
Yeah, to bring that up,because that, man, that was.
Is in my top five or whateverfor the year.
Yeah, for sure.
So as few of movies as Iwatched that came out this year,
that was my favorite.
I would put.
I saw the TV glow pretty highsimply because it just captivated
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me.
Made me think.
But again, movies don't tendto be my forte unless they are streaming,
so.
And we do cover an occasionalstreaming movie here.
I've got plans to go seeNosferatu and the Dylan movie.
I almost said don't look back,but that was his documentary, Don't
Look Back in Anger.
Or that one.
That.
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That's the Oasis moviestarring Dylan.
There we go.
He plays both galleries.
Yeah, that would be great.
All right, a little more on.
On the year 2000, 2024.
Does anyone remember whenConan O'Brien used to do the year
2000?
Yeah.
That's where we are, gentlemen.
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All right, I'll open the floorto anything this podcast doesn't
usually cover.
We'll just open it up.
A book, an album, concert, even.
Just a moment you'll look backon for years and years, or you just
enjoyed.
Man, this is definitelyRecency Bias.
But seeing Rocket and Ride acouple weeks ago, like the band.
Yeah.
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Brides kick off for theirNorth American tour in Hartford.
Not a little place right aboveNew Haven.
Not even.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Camden Town called Hamden.
It was great.
It was so fun.
This is not Recency Bias.
The Magnetic Fields were doingthe entirety of their 69 love songs.
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Oh, yeah.
Cut across two nights.
So Beth and I went to a nightof that, and that was very fun.
You know, they gatheredeverybody, like, who was still alive
basically, to do theiroriginal parts, and it was.
That was really fun.
And those are two almostcompletely different experiences,
as you can imagine.
Donovan, did you see Dinosaurjunior This year?
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Or was that late last year?
Yeah, that was last year.
That was.
Man, that was amazing.
That made a previous year'sbest of.
Yeah, okay, okay, Sorry.
I'll pair it.
Donovan.
And say I saw Slow Dive in Mayin Birmingham, and it was like a
perfect late spring evening inAlabama, and the sun was going down
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and Slowdive was playing, andI think that was pretty much the
mountaintop as far as livemusic experiences for me this year.
They had Drab Majesty open whowere very, very good and made me
think, I need to design mylife in such a way that I can play
A jazz chorus amp at thisblistering volume because that looks
very fun.
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But that was a great show.
This is always one of the morechallenging podcasts that we do every
year because I have no senseof time.
Agreed.
Like the.
To see bands, you know, SlowDive was touring a record that came
out somehow the year before,you know, and it just all like gets
jumbled in my head and maybebecause we watch so much that's streaming
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that, you know, like Iremember I went to see Dune and it
was this kind of night and youknow, but like when you just watch
it in your house, it's kind oflike, when am I.
Uh huh.
Yeah.
It could be any day.
That's fair.
Now, one thing that I doremember, the one moment that I want
to throw out there that Ienjoyed very, very much, we were
texting about how unsatisfyingthis year of college football was.
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Yeah.
Especially the first round.
But all of that to say it wasworth it for the Michigan Ohio State
fight.
So I would like to tip my hatto that moment at this point.
I think that fight was great,number one.
And number two, that it keptspontaneously happening throughout
that day as people wereplanting flags or in the sun, Devil's
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case, planting a pitchfork inthe middle of their rivals fields.
The kids have the bug.
The Alabama Shakes reunited 2024.
We didn't see that coming, butAdam literally saw it with his own
eyes.
It's true.
There's a moment for people toconsider, but there were a lot of
people that we know there andwho could tell us a little about
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that.
My comment on all of that isGod bless Bo Hicks.
Yeah, like.
Like the last guy inTuscaloosa even trying to do anything.
And like, if not for him, right.
I mean, God bless Bo Hicks, last.
Man standing in that kind of doing.
Great, doing great stuff.
Certain things are just kindof undeniable.
You know, we talk about what.
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Where art derives its power from.
And it was.
It was cool to see people thatI have.
I've spent a lot of timearound in and all of them a little
bit.
Brittany least of all.
But like, you know, it waswhen you put certain people together,
certain things happen.
And it happened again thisweek and it was cool to see.
And it was, you know, for aband that was in my mind already
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pretty huge and on the cusp oflike, if they played their cards
right for the next tworecords, who knows what kind of level
they could be at to reunitefor Bow in Tuscaloosa of all places.
Like the.
I think I told y'all theschedule for the evening was like
written in sloppy handwritingon a sheet of notebook paper.
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That was.
Someone took a picture of thatand that was the schedule.
There was no day of show stuffmost of the time.
Like when we toured with them,we would get to a venue and there
would be like different colortape on the floor to lead to the
dressing room and one to thestage and like signs that said, today
is Wednesday, you're inAsheville, North Carolina, and had
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like down to the minute list.
And this was just like a bunchof friends getting back together.
Tip of the hat to them.
And I.
People are rightfully excited.
It'll be fun to see what theydo in 2025.
Our quote in Rolling Stone wasvery endearing on how she wouldn't
have gotten them back togetheranywhere else except Tuscaloosa,
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you know, which is an allusionto Beau, I suppose.
Yeah, well, in a moment too,you know that it's.
I think maybe we're kind of in a.
More of the doldrums right nowin terms of music in Alabama and
maybe live music everywhere.
Maybe that's not just anAlabama problem.
I don't know.
But tip of the cap to a momentin time and certainly Beau is like
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a pillar of that.
I was going to say I don'tread a lot of current books, but
I actually am thinking aboutthe ones I've read and I've read
about half the books I readthis year were.
Were new and really like the.
The biography of Randy Newman.
If you're a Randy Newman fanor are curious about him, he.
It was really good.
We had briefly mentionedcollege football and it's.
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It's demise played live on tvexcept for the flat.
Except for the flag plantingand fighting.
The.
The book by Armin KTA and thatcame out this year.
It's called the Price what ItTakes to Win in College Football's
Era of Chaos.
That documents how nil sort ofcame to be and then the aftermath.
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I mean, right up until thebook cuts off right around March
of 2024.
So they got it to a publisherfast, but it just infuriates you.
But it's so well done and it'swell written in that it documents
everything.
It's.
It's very detailed and.
And.
But doesn't bore you.
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I can.
I would shout that book out ifyou're curious about how we got here.
If you're curious about whythose playoff games were.
Does it offer any solutions?
No.
I will give a few moments of2024, but it ends up being close
to home here.
Two of my favorite momentsthis year.
This podcast gained more andmore listeners this year, more so
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than any year previously.
Really grateful for that.
We set out to do this not aspopularity, but just as fun.
We had no designs on numberswe weren't going to reject.
It did.
Especially when we ropedDonovan in around episode, what,
2030.
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We decided this is really goodexcuse just to see one another every
Sunday, if at all possible.
Yet we had some jumps inlistenership this year.
Hand in hand with that is theother one I was going to mention
is a creator and writer forthe beautiful series.
Somebody somewhere became alistener of the show.
I dare not say fan, but PaulThoreen even said hello to us in
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messages and in thepublication deadline.
And that just made me havefaith in social media at a time when
I was quite close to justshutting it down and not ever looking
at social media ever again.
So I really wanted to makesure to talk about those, reflect
on those for a second.
It's, you know, we've.
We've mentioned it before.
It's very upsetting to knowthat my opinions are heard by other
people.
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Gets a little concerning now,doesn't it?
Yeah, it's like, what did I say?
So I know both of y'all lovethe election.
Do you want to talk about thatthis year?
You just were thrilled.
Yeah, I mean, you know, therace for city council was pretty
crazy this year, but thingswere said that can't be unsaid.
But I think we're gonna, youknow, the snow still gets plowed.
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Did you mean something else?
Plan?
No, City council.
It's exactly what I had in mind.
City council up there in whereyou live.
Beautiful.
Manchester, Connecticut.
Okay, that was it.
One of my favorite momentsfrom this year actually came from
Blaine's kid when I found outwhat she had named her new pet.
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The official name of said petbeing King.
King Cinnamon Roll.
Duncan, I just think, is it vital.
To know he's a bearded dragonand he's not like, a cat or anything?
I don't know if it is or if it isn't.
I don't know either.
But I'm just like, that's.
That's King Cinnamon Roll.
That one's.
That one's been cheering me upfor, like, six.
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What a weird year.
Did seem like the first yearthat was, like, firmly out of the
pandemic shadow solidly.
And I don't know what that means.
I just get the sense that,like, in.
In my day to day life andpossibly in the way that art is being
made and consumed.
Like we're in like the dusthas settled on all of that.
I think so.
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I think you can definitely saythat this is like the, the post pandemic
reality, right, where it'slike whatever is going to be is not
settled, but it's likesolidified enough that it's not how
it was in 2019.
While we're still in nonspoiler territory, we'll discuss
some broad strokes on the FXHulu series what we do in the Shadows.
It's a mockumentary in thestyle of the Office, about three
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vampires who room together.
Staten Island, New York.
Along with those three, thatenergy vampire and a human helper
who has designs on becoming avampire as well.
It finished its sixth andfinal season and we often found ourselves
talking about it both on andoff the podcast.
Season as a whole.
I thought it was good.
I thought it kept it up.
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And I think maybe they endedat a good point too, because the
show has really never swervedfrom what it was in the first.
There's been some development,but really like the, like there's.
There's an element of the showwhere it's like these people are
in hell because they just dothe same dumb shit all the time.
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But they also don't care atall that they're like.
The joke is they don't care.
They're too completely selfobsessed to even realize that they're
just.
And I think this season worethat in to get to hear Matt Barry's
extremely eccentricpronunciation of anything.
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Of anything.
Yeah, we get some good ColinRobinson Nandor saying Colin Robinson
will never not be funny.
Nausea develops.
The banana phone.
I mean, this is all still good stuff.
I'd watch more, but I'm okaywith them ending it.
Yeah, yeah.
I thought the season lackedthe jokes.
They didn't hit as well, butit wasn't as bad maybe as some people
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probably think.
Nah, I thought it was fine.
I was still laughing and Ifelt like we had some really.
There were still some reallystrong episodes.
The one where they're filminga TV show in their neighborhood.
That one's pretty good.
Pretty solid piece of television.
That's a really good one.
Yeah.
Because I still thinkyesterday I wore a hooded sweatshirt
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and I still think of thephrase sweated shirt, sweated shirt.
Just everything bad be like, Iwant that sweated shirt.
And then explaining what it.
Like what a sweatshirt is.
Let's draw a line.
We'll get into spoilers about,I guess everything What We do in
the Shadows, because it's a.
It's a full completed text now.
So if you haven't watched whatWe do in the Shadows, especially
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the sixth season, you may wantto wait until you're finished and
then come back and hear thenext segment.
So we're gonna get intospoiler territory related to what
we do in the Shadows,specifically the six season and maybe
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even a little before.
If you're a little afraid ofbeing ruined on any part of the.
Of the show, this may not befor you.
All right, Donovan, let'sunpack what we do in the Shadows
as a sixth final season television.
And maybe the series is awhole kind of.
We'll do it.
We'll do our best.
Let's start with that finalepisode as a standalone.
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You said earlier that youthought the season was good.
What about this final episode?
Honestly, worked for me.
And because it was veryknowing, I think, about what the
show is and what the episodeit is.
Right.
Where they just straight upput up, hey, endings are hard.
Sometimes you hit them,sometimes you don't.
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And also the revelation thatthis is not the first documentary
that the vampires have satfor, that they just are like.
They're literally in hell,where they're just completely repeating
the same old things over andover and over and over.
So I was like, that's.
That's pretty good to me.
Awareness of what the show is,awareness of what the episode's doing,
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and we got some laughs.
Like most of the season, infact, I think it's a testament to
the.
Or maybe a exemplar of thewhole season.
The ending was veryintelligent for me, and I appreciated
that, but it was not nearly asfunny as maybe episodes in Season
3, 4.
Having the documentary come toa close is something I hadn't considered
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as an ending, but it's aperfect way to do it.
Perfect.
It allows the show to addressits ending as fiction and then as
metafiction, too.
Like, you're talking.
Yeah.
Yes, that.
Yeah, that's kind of what I meant.
Like, it's very, very aware.
Yeah.
It knows you're aware of what.
What's happening here.
Which I liked.
I thought that was smart.
And they haven't referencedthe camera crew a ton since season
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one occasionally.
But not like they had in this episode.
That there's a crew there filming.
Yeah.
Not.
Not as blatantly.
And showing them as.
Well.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it was season onewhere like, maybe two.
Season two where one of themgot attacked or killed.
Yeah.
One of them gets like, eaten.
Yeah.
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The 1958 footage was a greattouch to do two smart nods to the
audience.
I thought it let us know thatthey're just to be continuing the
same old.
And we aren't going to miss anything.
Literally the same thing.
And, of course, it gave usJackie Daytona one more time.
That's such a good gag.
Like, just the second he.
You know, he comes in with the two.
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Two, no one recognizes him.
He takes the toothpick out.
It's me, my love.
It's.
Arizona is where he was from.
Arizona.
It's such a good.
It's such a good gag.
It is great.
And.
But that also, that footagefrom 1958 House meetings, it showed
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us how.
How much the idiocy tells us,no, they don't grow, they don't change.
You're not gonna miss anythingonce the cameras stop rolling.
And that is so perfect becausethey're vampires.
I.
I liked how.
Yeah, like, it really is eternal.
You know, it's just gonna.
They're never.
I mean, there's almost like a.
If you wanted.
I don't think that we should,like, take a lesson or a moral from
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this, but, like.
But like.
But also them.
Nadja and Laszlo constantlycalling Guillermo Gizmo.
Well, is still a great joke,but as you know, there's.
There's some point in therewith Guillermo really understanding
that.
Yeah, you know what?
It's time to Maybe to move on,to have another.
To try and redefine this relationship.
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Although I did appreciate the.
You know, Guillermo wants togive a good ending so badly that
he.
We have a couple plays with,like, people coming to resolution
or having endings wherereally, it's like you said, Blade,
you're not.
They're gonna.
Then the shenanigans will continue.
Yeah.
Swaths of the Internet are upin arms that Guillermo and Nandor
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didn't become a couple.
They don't.
You know, you don't want todate Nandor Gizmo.
It is perfect that ColinRobinson is an Internet commenter.
He mentions.
He's on Reddit saying such things.
There's a joke that I thoughtwas actually really funny.
Not in this episode, but inthe one where they're filling the
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television show where he'slooking up something on the Internet,
and he's like, the show is apleasant piece of Copaganda cr.
Oh, that's me.
He found his.
He's got his own post.
That is good.
Good, good.
Good delivery, too, from ColinRobinson in this episode with the.
The Found family speech.
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And.
But it's all it's really thathe just hates them.
Yeah.
He's like, I.
I lost my family in 1906.
Now I have to hang out withyou smelly turds.
The writers did employ areference to the old 80s show Newhart.
Yes.
That was funny.
I laughed.
I like that.
Yeah.
Okay, that's interesting.
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Not only did it, like.
It didn't give a certainsegment of the Internet the Guillermo
and Nandor love, but it kindof looked down their nose at that
audience with this placement.
Like, sure, surely a fewpeople got the scene, but it basically
says that they're.
That assumption you have ofthem being in love and not friends
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or loving friends was not realin the way that you may have seen
it.
That's the way it felt to me.
It's why I read it.
Okay.
I.
Yeah, like, I know thatthere's folks, I think, for really.
Especially for really, reallygood reasons.
Right.
We like to see that kind of representation.
But also for me, it's like,guys, guys.
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It's not that kind of show.
Yeah.
They're not gonna.
You know, it's not that.
It's not that kind of show.
They're.
They're not gonna, you know,they're not gonna, like, have a.
Suddenly be Tinder or.
Exactly.
Nandor.
Right.
I also personally like thatbecause I find Caven.
Is it Caven.
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Caven Novak, who plays Nandor,is actually really good at impressions.
Really?
I didn't know that.
I mean, like, do you rememberthe episode where they were all.
It was.
It was him, but they were all,like, transforming into Nandor, so
he got to do, like, hisimpression of Colin Robinson being
Nandor and his impression ofMatt Berry.
Yeah.
This one where they tried,like, the.
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The.
It's like the gym girl they'retrying to.
To.
Yeah, yeah.
Funny.
And I.
I found.
I just found his, like, hisimpression very, like, very funny.
In this little.
Little scene as he's.
Right.
Yeah.
He normalizes.
He was the normal guy in the bed.
Yeah, it was very funny.
Yeah.
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Good.
Good throwback.
By the way, what we do.
In the Shadows did threedifferent versions of that nausea
hypnosis.
Each.
Each version mimicked adifferent show's ending or movie.
Even.
I.
I saw the New Heart version.
I'm assuming you did, too,from your.
I did.
Yeah.
I didn't know that others sawthe Usual Suspects.
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Okay, man, I got it.
I gotta watch this.
I had no idea.
Yeah.
I don't know how to watch itbecause I pulled it up on Hulu two
times and it still gave me thesame One.
I don't know what the thirdone is.
I'm headed to YouTube.
Yeah, I guess you could.
Yeah, YouTube would have it.
And then there's even anotherfake ending with Guillermo acting
as if he's heartbroken.
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That, to me, kind of playedlike thumbing your nose at certain
audience members as well.
And I love writers giving amiddle finger to people who try to
write the show.
Sure.
I love that kind of shit.
Sure.
Because the Internet's becomesuch a big base for people to say,
(34:09):
this is what I want.
Give it to me.
Yeah.
I mean, in any form.
Go to Amazon and order it.
You get it tomorrow, and it is.
And in some cases, that'sreally good and convenient.
In other cases, that not whatshould happen.
The writers and artists aren'tthere to give me what I want every
time.
Yes.
I think that I don't want toget hate mail or anything.
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And this is not every singleperson who's a fan of something.
But there's seem big chunks ofpeople who are like, self determination
describe fans of whatever that.
It's just like.
It seems like the point of theexercise is to, like, be pandered
to or.
Yeah.
And then if you.
If you're not utterly panderedto in the way that you want to be,
(34:53):
to just have, like, be madwith strange, you know, strange complaints
about whatever.
This cuts across a big chunkof folks.
Right.
Like, I think it does.
I mostly try to ignore this,but there was some of the discourse
for even like, House of the Dragon.
Yep.
It's like God, this year.
It's like, God, is this funfor you?
Mm.
Well, it's.
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What do you want?
Yeah.
We're commenting on fan service.
Yeah.
I think, you know, andsometimes it's great to be pandered
too.
Right.
Like, if you've got the thing.
I mean, we've all had theexperience of like, wow, they basically
made this exactly for me.
But also, if I could.
I mean, I'm not.
I'm not a real creator.
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But also, like, if I couldwrite it, why would I watch it?
I would want to see anotherhuman being's take on stuff.
Maybe I did.
Maybe I didn't think, youknow, maybe they've got something
I didn't think of.
There's a lot different for mein interesting ways.
Yeah.
There's a lot of fun insubversion of expectations.
(35:56):
Yes.
You know, I would say thatsubversion of expectations works
90% of the time, more so than.
Or there's probably a ratiothat I'm not good with Here.
But there's probably a betterratio of subverting expectations
that work.
Honestly, you know, my topshow of the year, I think that's
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one of the reasons it was so good.
Because on that finale, wenever got what we thought it might
be built.
We got something muchdifferent, and I think much better.
And then there's.
And here's what happens withfan service versus not fan service
or, or more so of these peoplewho are wishing for it when they,
(36:39):
when they kind of want towrite the show or want to dictate
what it should do, and thenwhen it doesn't do what they think
it should have done, it's bad,and they just have no objective view
anymore.
I think too, like, in my ownlife, you know, I just loved Star
wars as a kid, right.
Yeah.
You know, as did I.
Yeah.
But I think that like, likeI've hit the point in my life where
(37:00):
I'm like, you know what this does?
Putting aside that it's.
It's all crass commercialismfrom Disney at this point, you know,
but it's like, you know what?
If this doesn't work for me,that's fine.
Not everything has to be for me.
Hopefully I'm slowly gettingto that point, you know, where it's
like, this is.
And also, you know, it's achild show for children.
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Like, it's okay if they dostuff pitched at kids.
Right.
That's fine too.
Well, this takes us intoSkeleton Crew, which I haven't watched
one episode because I see thatthat is a show for basically kids.
Yeah.
And for me, I never liked theGoonies very much so, which I did.
(37:45):
When I was a kid, but I don'thave to see it again.
Yeah, that's kind of.
That's kind of.
That's kind of the way I feel.
Like, yeah, I think it wasgreat when I was a kid, but I'm a.
Yeah, I'm old now.
This is.
This is not in any way tosupport Disney's commercialism over
art.
But it's like, you know what?
Like, everyone has that thingthat they saw when they were a kid
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that's like, if you were 20years older, you'd be like, yeah,
I've seen this before.
But like, it's new for you.
So if this is new, forexample, if this show is new for
some 8 or 9 year old and itgets them really fired up, that's
great.
It's not for me anymore.
It's okay that it's not for me anymore.
People will make things thatare for me.
Well, hopefully there's enoughpeople in this world.
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Yeah, hopefully.
That's probably a discussionto be had too.
That's true.
That's true.
Is that taking up too muchbandwidth that it's not.
It's pushing out things thatare going to be made for us as for
what we do in the shadows.
It wasn't the best in terms offunny this season, but I thought
it was great.
And.
And.
And I thought that the endingitself was kind of.
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I read it as.
This.
As asking a subset of audienceto off.
And I kind of like that.
Although I.
It wasn't necessarilyhilarious in.
In that it did.
But just doing that, to me, is.
The awareness is fun in itsown way without being funny.
Yeah, I thought I did a goodjob just with reinforcing the theme.
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Yeah, that's true.
It did.
It did have some good moments,I thought, though, the finale, the.
The one that really made melaugh was.
And she has rarely made me laugh.
Is the God easing intoxenophobia by saying that there are
other immigrants entering thecountry illegally?
That's pretty good.
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Guillermo.
Like, no, no, no, we're done.
And he's like, cut.
Cut that out, please.
That was actually a reallyfunny moment in a episode that wasn't
necessarily quite as funny.
A lot of comedies, when theydo a specific kind of ending and
maybe they have a narrative ofa bit going throughout its season
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seasons, they tend to not beas funny in the finale.
So I get it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I wonder if they're.
And this is a completely other.
But, like, I wonder if there'sjust something inherently more difficult
at ending a comedy than.
Than a drama.
Or maybe it depends on whatkind of comedy.
Right.
If it's.
If you're Shakespeare, you endit with a wedding easy, you know?
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Yeah.
I always think about Cheers isending, and they did a pretty normal
episode for its ending versus,except for the.
Probably the last five minutes.
Yeah.
And that's the thing, right?
Like, do you just do.
Especially if it's like.
Like, do you do a very specialepisode, or does it just fit in with
what you've done before?
Right.
I don't know.
I think it matters too if.
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If your comedy is just aepisode by episode sort of show,
like, you can watch them outof order even.
Yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
Like, for instance, theSimpsons ever did a finale.
You can watch the Simpsons outof order.
Oh, yeah.
And people do all the time.
Oh, yeah.
Did you.
Did you enjoy the monster?
Everything?
The monster, the bear.
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You know, Guillermo tries tobe sincere.
That Was actually kind offunny for me.
It was okay with the.
Just as they're like.
He's like, you just can't hearwhat he's saying over the.
The wrist.
I mean, and it's just like.
It just completely underlinesthe show for me.
Right.
Like they're self absorbed.
They're not really gonna growor change.
(41:20):
Yeah.
The opening of the descriptionwith Colin Robinson and Laszlo.
You know, Laszlo's trying toexplain that he has needs and desires
and he's growing as he'sturning more human.
And Colin Robinson's like,he's horny.
He's horny.
I'm gonna.
Man, that's.
I'm gonna.
I liked too that like this wasa finale, but I think this did more
(41:44):
in.
In my opinion, more in theline of.
Hey, this is kind of like inline as another episode.
Right.
This is just kind of an arbitrary.
Like, here's where it ended.
As they say, we're going to bedoing the same thing when the cameras
are gone tomorrow.
So it also reinforces how muchI'm going to miss the cast and how
well.
How well.
How well they all played offof each other.
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That's true.
I will.
It's one of those shows whereI do believe I'll come back and pull
up a random episode here or there.
Some of my favorites.
I could see myself doing that.
Just.
Yeah, absolutely.
25 minutes to kill.
I think I'll go and watch whatwe do in the shadows, which doesn't
happen often with shows and me.
But this one, it's got enoughfunny stuff going on, especially
(42:30):
in those middle seasons.
I do still recommend it highly for.
For people still.
Even this week I wasrecommending it again.
Same.
Is it great art?
I don't know.
Does it have something to say?
Sort of.
Is it fun?
Is it funny?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really funny.
If you look at that lastepisode as a answer to.
(42:53):
I'm going to say thisnegatively, though I am a part of
it.
As a comment to Redditors,then it's.
It's kind of enjoyable as anending and even beyond because there's
some funny bits.
Colin Robinsons of the world.
That's so good.
Yeah.
But super smart, that 1958footage to tell us, oh, they did
(43:14):
this.
They did this.
Same.
It's the exact same scenario50 years ago.
God.
Okay, that's so.
Yeah, we got the.
We got the witch's hat backagain too.
That was a good.
A good nod.
His cursed witch's hat onlydifference in 1958.
There was no Sean Shawnee.
I know, right?
Yeah, it was a.
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There was a Jerry who hissesat the camera.
All right, we're gonna endhere, but you can reach out to us.
Just a programming note.
We won't be in your.
In your feed, in your podcastfeed next week, but that's okay because
we're gonna be back in weekly,I suppose, when the new year starts.
(43:54):
I haven't looked at thecalendar on how that falls, but I
think that's right.
Yep.
New year starts once Christmastide is nearly over.
No episode next week, butwe'll be back around the 7th of January.
So happy holidays, MerryChristmas, happy New Year, and we
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will talk to you all in two weeks.
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I'll ask them what things theyfound delight in this year with books
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Projection.
Welcome, Adam and Donovan.
Thanks for spending some ofyour day with me.
And gentlemen, this is ourlast episode of the year.
We'll be off next week so thata couple of us can gather in person.
So I want to give you both achance to tell me your favorite moments
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from 2024, which Adam willhate because he sees New Year's Eve
as arbitrary time for any listMaking, resolving or reflecting.
He does it on a morning bymorning basis.
He updates his best of the year.
Every day at 9:30am overcoffee, sometimes a cig.
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You guys are on the email list.
You get it?
Yeah, yeah.
Let's start with our forte.
It's television.
Now, I.
My list will go up on thewebsite, the Alabama Take site this
week.
Sometimes you tell me what wasyour favorite show or even episode
of television or somethingabout TV or streaming you enjoyed
in 2024.
I think attentive listenerswill not be surprised at my answers,
(03:16):
possibly everyone's answers.
Is it going to be that you aregoing to commit seppuku here live?
What a staff meeting.
Did you guys see, I want tobreak away briefly that Joe Burrow
gave his offensive lineauthentic, like katanas or some sort
of sword.
Yes.
And they were all like hadstories of where they'd been used
(03:39):
and all of this stuff and.
But he has been hit so manytimes this year.
I mean, he's had the bestseason in the NFL as a quarterback,
yet is just getting pummeledand they're not a very good football
team.
So reading between the lines,I think he watched Shogun.
Yeah, he did.
You know, the honorable thingto do.
That's exactly what's going on.
No, number one show for all ofme for, for the year for me was Shogun.
(04:03):
Best episode being the lastone because they just threaded the
needle so well with it.
Great finale or season?
Finale.
I thought very, verytechnically started came in this
year, which would be the endof Fargo Season 5.
It did not air until Januaryof this year.
And I thought they threadedthe needle on that ending very, very
(04:25):
well too.
Started in December and thenended in January this year.
There you go.
I mean, I think we're allgoing to share Shogun, right?
But I'll tack on say nothing.
Oh, of course.
As a favorite for me, thosetwo are just head and shoulders above
everything else.
And I know me and Donovan werediscussing right before we started
our tendency towards recencybias, but I think obviously Shogun
(04:49):
was from early this year andsay nothing's going to hold up, I
would have to think it's abookended year of television there.
Yeah, Shogun was one of thoseshows where I kind of can't believe
it exists and it worked like,it looks great.
It's well acted, it's gotreal, you know, real heart.
It's funny.
We love the engine.
(05:12):
We got some mileage out of that.
Yeah.
I'll give my most improvedaward to House of the Dragon.
This year too, they had one.
Their dragon battle episodeabsolutely thrilled me to the core.
And I found the rest of itmuch more interesting than the first
season.
I could see that.
Probably not hard, right?
(05:32):
Like you have two dragonsfight each other.
It's like take my money.
Yet a lot of people would saythat not a lot happened this season.
I'm okay with what happenedbecause I felt.
I felt like it had more happenthan the.
The first season was just some.
So much setup.
I was okay with this one.
Talk about staff meetings.
Let's rank the bosses of thisyear from best to worst.
(05:54):
Best is of course from Shogun.
But you know, Matt Smith in asas Damian in House of the Dragon
makes a really good argumentfor worst boss.
Well, I do enjoy.
He truly frustrated thegeneral population who wanted like
a Game of Thrones thingbecause they're, you know, he dabbled
(06:14):
in crazy and then went alittle bit further but didn't go
like far enough to be trulyoff the rails entertaining yet and
just there was no resolution.
They were not interested inoffering anything in the way of a
bookmark on that.
If you're not in the mood tosee Matt Smith wander bare ass naked
around a giant castle, thenthe show's not for you.
(06:35):
Why do you even pay for HBO ifyou're not in any?
For that you're flushing yourdollars away.
I'm picturing a 76 year oldwoman with a checkbook writing her
check to her HBO subscriptionand then in the four line Matt Smith.
But it's a really long explanation.
(06:55):
Maybe like a little heart orsmiley face next to it too.
Let's switch to movies.
Seems like we.
When I say we I mean thecountry still aren't back in theaters
like we were pre pandemic times.
That's probably an obvious statement.
I know we.
I know I have it.
But for me personally it's asmuch a result of familial life.
(07:16):
The fact is we haven't seen alot of releases from 2024.
Me less so.
With the exception of thosethat have hit streaming.
We've watched those.
Do you have any favorites thatwith those qualifications in place
and I think Adam might havesnuck to the theater a few times
and Donovan did too.
In the way that we startedwith Shogun.
Talking television.
Dune was great.
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Dune is a movie.
A theater going experience was excellent.
I don't know that it was myfavorite movie that came out this
year, but I.
We're some months removed andI feel safe saying that I will remember
that evening going to see thatin the way that I remember, like
a flashback, 10 yearsinterstellar, that sort of thing,
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just as a really strong.
Like an event, a spectacle.
And then the other stuff thatI saw in the theater, I saw the.
There were standouts, make melook at movies in a new way or really
teach me anything new.
But the new Alien movie waspretty good.
It was pretty fun.
And then I think in terms ofpure joy and surprise and something
(08:21):
that I have become anevangelist for, the kneecap movie.
It's on Netflix now.
But as a theater experience,that was also very fun to hear.
You know, the thing that youdon't think about with going to the
theater a lot of the time isthe sound.
Like how.
I mean, obviously we know thesound, the louder it is.
It's fun.
Everybody talked about thatwith Oppenheimer, all that stuff.
(08:41):
But the sound of listening tokneecap music played at a blisteringly
loud volume with a very funcolor palette on screen was just
a good time.
It helped that I was the onlyone in the theater in Florence, Alabama
that day.
But yeah, those were funtheater experiences.
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I've yet to see it, being thecommoner that I am.
But will Nosferatu be myfavorite of the year?
I don't know.
Reviews on that seem so splitwith people I respect, like being
all in or saying it was kindof boring.
So I feel like it's gonna bea, hey, you gotta watch it for yourself
movie.
Things that are accused ofbeing boring, usually that's like
(09:22):
a selling point to me.
Great.
Didn't come.
It came out in the US this year.
So I'll say probably my besttheater going experience was early
this year.
I went to see Godzilla minusone, and it was actually great.
It was.
I'm so glad I saw it in theaters.
It's an interesting story.
(09:42):
Really kind of fascinating tosee them really explicitly linking
stuff like the firebombing ofTokyo and Godzilla attacking later
and all these kind of guys whoare left over from the war and have
various wounds having to dowhat they basically said they'd never
do again.
I thought that was a great movie.
I didn't manage to see it intheaters, but it's very funny to
(10:05):
try to keep track of what'shappening in the Godzilla expanded
universe, because there's onethat came out recently that was truly
terrible.
Right.
And so I kept getting thatconfused with this one, getting buzzed
about.
Fortunately, didn't watch thewrong one.
I'm with you if that was agreat time.
They made it for like 15million bucks.
Too, which is just, oh, wow.
In the Marvel.
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Or like, other worlds whereit's sometimes, like, you can tell
they threw gobs of money atwhatever action scene and it looks
terrible.
To just have something be madeso smartly and look so good is incredible.
Sometimes you hear that therewere budget restraints, and so they
do things like, you don't seethe monster.
You don't.
They use tension instead ofspectacle, all that kind of thing
(10:48):
that.
It didn't come off that way.
No.
There's tension and thenthere's big payoffs, too.
Another one not coming outthat did not come out this year,
but that was more readilyavailable this year that I was surprised
and delighted by was hundredsof beavers.
Yeah, I'm an evangelist for that.
(11:08):
They got some air down here.
More.
More widely available.
That was the hardest.
I watched it with friends,which is, you know, when you're younger,
you watch movies with friendsall the time.
And this was, like, the onlytime that I had people over to my
house to watch a film this year.
And it was.
Someone was laughing, I thinkevery eight seconds.
(11:30):
This is a dense, dense joke ratio.
That movie is so funnybecause, like, it knows 100 what
it is.
It is.
You know, we kind of had thisdiscussion the other day, right?
Like, Adam, I think you said,like, a lot of success when you're.
When you're an artist reallycomes from, like, kind of having
a clear idea of, like, whoyou're making this for.
Yeah.
(11:51):
This was.
This was off.
Off recording.
Yes.
We were talking about this and this.
Clearly, this is one of thoseones where it's like, well, you were
either had me specifically inmind when you were making this, or
you made it for nobody butyour, you know, your own crazy self.
No Gladiator 2.
Shout out from either of you.
I still haven't been.
(12:12):
Oh, I thought you both went.
Sorry, that's in my plans.
And I don't know that it wouldcrack this list, but I do want to
see it in theaters because, I mean.
Yeah, yeah.
The first one, I mean, I wouldpay full price just to go see the
opening battle of the firstGladiator on the big screen again.
Oh, hell, yeah.
Yeah, I've yet to see it, too.
(12:32):
My best movie of the year is,you guessed it, Ant man and the Wasp.
Quantumania once again takesthe title.
Spent three years in a row.
I know.
Maybe you'll finally stoptexting us about it.
No, but of the few films I didsee this year, and I could talk about
them being good, happening athome, my old Ass, I think, would
(12:56):
take the title.
That's.
I think I was.
I was hoping to either set youup or you to.
Yeah, to bring that up,because that, man, that was.
Is in my top five or whateverfor the year.
Yeah, for sure.
So as few of movies as Iwatched that came out this year,
that was my favorite.
I would put.
I saw the TV glow pretty highsimply because it just captivated
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me.
Made me think.
But again, movies don't tendto be my forte unless they are streaming,
so.
And we do cover an occasionalstreaming movie here.
I've got plans to go seeNosferatu and the Dylan movie.
I almost said don't look back,but that was his documentary, Don't
Look Back in Anger.
Or that one.
That.
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That's the Oasis moviestarring Dylan.
There we go.
He plays both galleries.
Yeah, that would be great.
All right, a little more on.
On the year 2000, 2024.
Does anyone remember whenConan O'Brien used to do the year
2000?
Yeah.
That's where we are, gentlemen.
(14:00):
All right, I'll open the floorto anything this podcast doesn't
usually cover.
We'll just open it up.
A book, an album, concert, even.
Just a moment you'll look backon for years and years, or you just
enjoyed.
Man, this is definitelyRecency Bias.
But seeing Rocket and Ride acouple weeks ago, like the band.
Yeah.
(14:20):
Brides kick off for theirNorth American tour in Hartford.
Not a little place right aboveNew Haven.
Not even.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Camden Town called Hamden.
It was great.
It was so fun.
This is not Recency Bias.
The Magnetic Fields were doingthe entirety of their 69 love songs.
(14:41):
Oh, yeah.
Cut across two nights.
So Beth and I went to a nightof that, and that was very fun.
You know, they gatheredeverybody, like, who was still alive
basically, to do theiroriginal parts, and it was.
That was really fun.
And those are two almostcompletely different experiences,
as you can imagine.
Donovan, did you see Dinosaurjunior This year?
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Or was that late last year?
Yeah, that was last year.
That was.
Man, that was amazing.
That made a previous year'sbest of.
Yeah, okay, okay, Sorry.
I'll pair it.
Donovan.
And say I saw Slow Dive in Mayin Birmingham, and it was like a
perfect late spring evening inAlabama, and the sun was going down
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and Slowdive was playing, andI think that was pretty much the
mountaintop as far as livemusic experiences for me this year.
They had Drab Majesty open whowere very, very good and made me
think, I need to design mylife in such a way that I can play
A jazz chorus amp at thisblistering volume because that looks
very fun.
(15:45):
But that was a great show.
This is always one of the morechallenging podcasts that we do every
year because I have no senseof time.
Agreed.
Like the.
To see bands, you know, SlowDive was touring a record that came
out somehow the year before,you know, and it just all like gets
jumbled in my head and maybebecause we watch so much that's streaming
(16:07):
that, you know, like Iremember I went to see Dune and it
was this kind of night and youknow, but like when you just watch
it in your house, it's kind oflike, when am I.
Uh huh.
Yeah.
It could be any day.
That's fair.
Now, one thing that I doremember, the one moment that I want
to throw out there that Ienjoyed very, very much, we were
texting about how unsatisfyingthis year of college football was.
(16:32):
Yeah.
Especially the first round.
But all of that to say it wasworth it for the Michigan Ohio State
fight.
So I would like to tip my hatto that moment at this point.
I think that fight was great,number one.
And number two, that it keptspontaneously happening throughout
that day as people wereplanting flags or in the sun, Devil's
(16:54):
case, planting a pitchfork inthe middle of their rivals fields.
The kids have the bug.
The Alabama Shakes reunited 2024.
We didn't see that coming, butAdam literally saw it with his own
eyes.
It's true.
There's a moment for people toconsider, but there were a lot of
people that we know there andwho could tell us a little about
(17:17):
that.
My comment on all of that isGod bless Bo Hicks.
Yeah, like.
Like the last guy inTuscaloosa even trying to do anything.
And like, if not for him, right.
I mean, God bless Bo Hicks, last.
Man standing in that kind of doing.
Great, doing great stuff.
Certain things are just kindof undeniable.
You know, we talk about what.
(17:38):
Where art derives its power from.
And it was.
It was cool to see people thatI have.
I've spent a lot of timearound in and all of them a little
bit.
Brittany least of all.
But like, you know, it waswhen you put certain people together,
certain things happen.
And it happened again thisweek and it was cool to see.
And it was, you know, for aband that was in my mind already
(18:01):
pretty huge and on the cusp oflike, if they played their cards
right for the next tworecords, who knows what kind of level
they could be at to reunitefor Bow in Tuscaloosa of all places.
Like the.
I think I told y'all theschedule for the evening was like
written in sloppy handwritingon a sheet of notebook paper.
(18:21):
That was.
Someone took a picture of thatand that was the schedule.
There was no day of show stuffmost of the time.
Like when we toured with them,we would get to a venue and there
would be like different colortape on the floor to lead to the
dressing room and one to thestage and like signs that said, today
is Wednesday, you're inAsheville, North Carolina, and had
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like down to the minute list.
And this was just like a bunchof friends getting back together.
Tip of the hat to them.
And I.
People are rightfully excited.
It'll be fun to see what theydo in 2025.
Our quote in Rolling Stone wasvery endearing on how she wouldn't
have gotten them back togetheranywhere else except Tuscaloosa,
(19:05):
you know, which is an allusionto Beau, I suppose.
Yeah, well, in a moment too,you know that it's.
I think maybe we're kind of in a.
More of the doldrums right nowin terms of music in Alabama and
maybe live music everywhere.
Maybe that's not just anAlabama problem.
I don't know.
But tip of the cap to a momentin time and certainly Beau is like
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a pillar of that.
I was going to say I don'tread a lot of current books, but
I actually am thinking aboutthe ones I've read and I've read
about half the books I readthis year were.
Were new and really like the.
The biography of Randy Newman.
If you're a Randy Newman fanor are curious about him, he.
It was really good.
We had briefly mentionedcollege football and it's.
(19:50):
It's demise played live on tvexcept for the flat.
Except for the flag plantingand fighting.
The.
The book by Armin KTA and thatcame out this year.
It's called the Price what ItTakes to Win in College Football's
Era of Chaos.
That documents how nil sort ofcame to be and then the aftermath.
(20:14):
I mean, right up until thebook cuts off right around March
of 2024.
So they got it to a publisherfast, but it just infuriates you.
But it's so well done and it'swell written in that it documents
everything.
It's.
It's very detailed and.
And.
But doesn't bore you.
(20:34):
I can.
I would shout that book out ifyou're curious about how we got here.
If you're curious about whythose playoff games were.
Does it offer any solutions?
No.
I will give a few moments of2024, but it ends up being close
to home here.
Two of my favorite momentsthis year.
This podcast gained more andmore listeners this year, more so
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than any year previously.
Really grateful for that.
We set out to do this not aspopularity, but just as fun.
We had no designs on numberswe weren't going to reject.
It did.
Especially when we ropedDonovan in around episode, what,
2030.
(21:18):
We decided this is really goodexcuse just to see one another every
Sunday, if at all possible.
Yet we had some jumps inlistenership this year.
Hand in hand with that is theother one I was going to mention
is a creator and writer forthe beautiful series.
Somebody somewhere became alistener of the show.
I dare not say fan, but PaulThoreen even said hello to us in
(21:40):
messages and in thepublication deadline.
And that just made me havefaith in social media at a time when
I was quite close to justshutting it down and not ever looking
at social media ever again.
So I really wanted to makesure to talk about those, reflect
on those for a second.
It's, you know, we've.
We've mentioned it before.
It's very upsetting to knowthat my opinions are heard by other
people.
(22:01):
Gets a little concerning now,doesn't it?
Yeah, it's like, what did I say?
So I know both of y'all lovethe election.
Do you want to talk about thatthis year?
You just were thrilled.
Yeah, I mean, you know, therace for city council was pretty
crazy this year, but thingswere said that can't be unsaid.
But I think we're gonna, youknow, the snow still gets plowed.
(22:23):
Did you mean something else?
Plan?
No, City council.
It's exactly what I had in mind.
City council up there in whereyou live.
Beautiful.
Manchester, Connecticut.
Okay, that was it.
One of my favorite momentsfrom this year actually came from
Blaine's kid when I found outwhat she had named her new pet.
(22:43):
The official name of said petbeing King.
King Cinnamon Roll.
Duncan, I just think, is it vital.
To know he's a bearded dragonand he's not like, a cat or anything?
I don't know if it is or if it isn't.
I don't know either.
But I'm just like, that's.
That's King Cinnamon Roll.
That one's.
That one's been cheering me upfor, like, six.
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What a weird year.
Did seem like the first yearthat was, like, firmly out of the
pandemic shadow solidly.
And I don't know what that means.
I just get the sense that,like, in.
In my day to day life andpossibly in the way that art is being
made and consumed.
Like we're in like the dusthas settled on all of that.
I think so.
(23:24):
I think you can definitely saythat this is like the, the post pandemic
reality, right, where it'slike whatever is going to be is not
settled, but it's likesolidified enough that it's not how
it was in 2019.
While we're still in nonspoiler territory, we'll discuss
some broad strokes on the FXHulu series what we do in the Shadows.
It's a mockumentary in thestyle of the Office, about three
(23:45):
vampires who room together.
Staten Island, New York.
Along with those three, thatenergy vampire and a human helper
who has designs on becoming avampire as well.
It finished its sixth andfinal season and we often found ourselves
talking about it both on andoff the podcast.
Season as a whole.
I thought it was good.
I thought it kept it up.
(24:06):
And I think maybe they endedat a good point too, because the
show has really never swervedfrom what it was in the first.
There's been some development,but really like the, like there's.
There's an element of the showwhere it's like these people are
in hell because they just dothe same dumb shit all the time.
(24:27):
But they also don't care atall that they're like.
The joke is they don't care.
They're too completely selfobsessed to even realize that they're
just.
And I think this season worethat in to get to hear Matt Barry's
extremely eccentricpronunciation of anything.
(24:47):
Of anything.
Yeah, we get some good ColinRobinson Nandor saying Colin Robinson
will never not be funny.
Nausea develops.
The banana phone.
I mean, this is all still good stuff.
I'd watch more, but I'm okaywith them ending it.
Yeah, yeah.
I thought the season lackedthe jokes.
They didn't hit as well, butit wasn't as bad maybe as some people
(25:10):
probably think.
Nah, I thought it was fine.
I was still laughing and Ifelt like we had some really.
There were still some reallystrong episodes.
The one where they're filminga TV show in their neighborhood.
That one's pretty good.
Pretty solid piece of television.
That's a really good one.
Yeah.
Because I still thinkyesterday I wore a hooded sweatshirt
(25:31):
and I still think of thephrase sweated shirt, sweated shirt.
Just everything bad be like, Iwant that sweated shirt.
And then explaining what it.
Like what a sweatshirt is.
Let's draw a line.
We'll get into spoilers about,I guess everything What We do in
the Shadows, because it's a.
It's a full completed text now.
So if you haven't watched whatWe do in the Shadows, especially
(25:53):
the sixth season, you may wantto wait until you're finished and
then come back and hear thenext segment.
So we're gonna get intospoiler territory related to what
we do in the Shadows,specifically the six season and maybe
(26:17):
even a little before.
If you're a little afraid ofbeing ruined on any part of the.
Of the show, this may not befor you.
All right, Donovan, let'sunpack what we do in the Shadows
as a sixth final season television.
And maybe the series is awhole kind of.
We'll do it.
We'll do our best.
Let's start with that finalepisode as a standalone.
(26:38):
You said earlier that youthought the season was good.
What about this final episode?
Honestly, worked for me.
And because it was veryknowing, I think, about what the
show is and what the episodeit is.
Right.
Where they just straight upput up, hey, endings are hard.
Sometimes you hit them,sometimes you don't.
(27:00):
And also the revelation thatthis is not the first documentary
that the vampires have satfor, that they just are like.
They're literally in hell,where they're just completely repeating
the same old things over andover and over and over.
So I was like, that's.
That's pretty good to me.
Awareness of what the show is,awareness of what the episode's doing,
(27:24):
and we got some laughs.
Like most of the season, infact, I think it's a testament to
the.
Or maybe a exemplar of thewhole season.
The ending was veryintelligent for me, and I appreciated
that, but it was not nearly asfunny as maybe episodes in Season
3, 4.
Having the documentary come toa close is something I hadn't considered
(27:46):
as an ending, but it's aperfect way to do it.
Perfect.
It allows the show to addressits ending as fiction and then as
metafiction, too.
Like, you're talking.
Yeah.
Yes, that.
Yeah, that's kind of what I meant.
Like, it's very, very aware.
Yeah.
It knows you're aware of what.
What's happening here.
Which I liked.
I thought that was smart.
And they haven't referencedthe camera crew a ton since season
(28:09):
one occasionally.
But not like they had in this episode.
That there's a crew there filming.
Yeah.
Not.
Not as blatantly.
And showing them as.
Well.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it was season onewhere like, maybe two.
Season two where one of themgot attacked or killed.
Yeah.
One of them gets like, eaten.
Yeah.
(28:30):
The 1958 footage was a greattouch to do two smart nods to the
audience.
I thought it let us know thatthey're just to be continuing the
same old.
And we aren't going to miss anything.
Literally the same thing.
And, of course, it gave usJackie Daytona one more time.
That's such a good gag.
Like, just the second he.
You know, he comes in with the two.
(28:51):
Two, no one recognizes him.
He takes the toothpick out.
It's me, my love.
It's.
Arizona is where he was from.
Arizona.
It's such a good.
It's such a good gag.
It is great.
And.
But that also, that footagefrom 1958 House meetings, it showed
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us how.
How much the idiocy tells us,no, they don't grow, they don't change.
You're not gonna miss anythingonce the cameras stop rolling.
And that is so perfect becausethey're vampires.
I.
I liked how.
Yeah, like, it really is eternal.
You know, it's just gonna.
They're never.
I mean, there's almost like a.
If you wanted.
I don't think that we should,like, take a lesson or a moral from
(29:35):
this, but, like.
But like.
But also them.
Nadja and Laszlo constantlycalling Guillermo Gizmo.
Well, is still a great joke,but as you know, there's.
There's some point in therewith Guillermo really understanding
that.
Yeah, you know what?
It's time to Maybe to move on,to have another.
To try and redefine this relationship.
(29:56):
Although I did appreciate the.
You know, Guillermo wants togive a good ending so badly that
he.
We have a couple plays with,like, people coming to resolution
or having endings wherereally, it's like you said, Blade,
you're not.
They're gonna.
Then the shenanigans will continue.
Yeah.
Swaths of the Internet are upin arms that Guillermo and Nandor
(30:18):
didn't become a couple.
They don't.
You know, you don't want todate Nandor Gizmo.
It is perfect that ColinRobinson is an Internet commenter.
He mentions.
He's on Reddit saying such things.
There's a joke that I thoughtwas actually really funny.
Not in this episode, but inthe one where they're filling the
(30:39):
television show where he'slooking up something on the Internet,
and he's like, the show is apleasant piece of Copaganda cr.
Oh, that's me.
He found his.
He's got his own post.
That is good.
Good, good.
Good delivery, too, from ColinRobinson in this episode with the.
The Found family speech.
(31:02):
And.
But it's all it's really thathe just hates them.
Yeah.
He's like, I.
I lost my family in 1906.
Now I have to hang out withyou smelly turds.
The writers did employ areference to the old 80s show Newhart.
Yes.
That was funny.
I laughed.
I like that.
Yeah.
Okay, that's interesting.
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Not only did it, like.
It didn't give a certainsegment of the Internet the Guillermo
and Nandor love, but it kindof looked down their nose at that
audience with this placement.
Like, sure, surely a fewpeople got the scene, but it basically
says that they're.
That assumption you have ofthem being in love and not friends
(31:45):
or loving friends was not realin the way that you may have seen
it.
That's the way it felt to me.
It's why I read it.
Okay.
I.
Yeah, like, I know thatthere's folks, I think, for really.
Especially for really, reallygood reasons.
Right.
We like to see that kind of representation.
But also for me, it's like,guys, guys.
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It's not that kind of show.
Yeah.
They're not gonna.
You know, it's not that.
It's not that kind of show.
They're.
They're not gonna, you know,they're not gonna, like, have a.
Suddenly be Tinder or.
Exactly.
Nandor.
Right.
I also personally like thatbecause I find Caven.
Is it Caven.
(32:26):
Caven Novak, who plays Nandor,is actually really good at impressions.
Really?
I didn't know that.
I mean, like, do you rememberthe episode where they were all.
It was.
It was him, but they were all,like, transforming into Nandor, so
he got to do, like, hisimpression of Colin Robinson being
Nandor and his impression ofMatt Berry.
Yeah.
This one where they tried,like, the.
(32:47):
The.
It's like the gym girl they'retrying to.
To.
Yeah, yeah.
Funny.
And I.
I found.
I just found his, like, hisimpression very, like, very funny.
In this little.
Little scene as he's.
Right.
Yeah.
He normalizes.
He was the normal guy in the bed.
Yeah, it was very funny.
Yeah.
(33:07):
Good.
Good throwback.
By the way, what we do.
In the Shadows did threedifferent versions of that nausea
hypnosis.
Each.
Each version mimicked adifferent show's ending or movie.
Even.
I.
I saw the New Heart version.
I'm assuming you did, too,from your.
I did.
Yeah.
I didn't know that others sawthe Usual Suspects.
(33:28):
Okay, man, I got it.
I gotta watch this.
I had no idea.
Yeah.
I don't know how to watch itbecause I pulled it up on Hulu two
times and it still gave me thesame One.
I don't know what the thirdone is.
I'm headed to YouTube.
Yeah, I guess you could.
Yeah, YouTube would have it.
And then there's even anotherfake ending with Guillermo acting
as if he's heartbroken.
(33:48):
That, to me, kind of playedlike thumbing your nose at certain
audience members as well.
And I love writers giving amiddle finger to people who try to
write the show.
Sure.
I love that kind of shit.
Sure.
Because the Internet's becomesuch a big base for people to say,
(34:09):
this is what I want.
Give it to me.
Yeah.
I mean, in any form.
Go to Amazon and order it.
You get it tomorrow, and it is.
And in some cases, that'sreally good and convenient.
In other cases, that not whatshould happen.
The writers and artists aren'tthere to give me what I want every
time.
Yes.
I think that I don't want toget hate mail or anything.
(34:32):
And this is not every singleperson who's a fan of something.
But there's seem big chunks ofpeople who are like, self determination
describe fans of whatever that.
It's just like.
It seems like the point of theexercise is to, like, be pandered
to or.
Yeah.
And then if you.
If you're not utterly panderedto in the way that you want to be,
(34:53):
to just have, like, be madwith strange, you know, strange complaints
about whatever.
This cuts across a big chunkof folks.
Right.
Like, I think it does.
I mostly try to ignore this,but there was some of the discourse
for even like, House of the Dragon.
Yep.
It's like God, this year.
It's like, God, is this funfor you?
Mm.
Well, it's.
(35:14):
What do you want?
Yeah.
We're commenting on fan service.
Yeah.
I think, you know, andsometimes it's great to be pandered
too.
Right.
Like, if you've got the thing.
I mean, we've all had theexperience of like, wow, they basically
made this exactly for me.
But also, if I could.
I mean, I'm not.
I'm not a real creator.
(35:35):
But also, like, if I couldwrite it, why would I watch it?
I would want to see anotherhuman being's take on stuff.
Maybe I did.
Maybe I didn't think, youknow, maybe they've got something
I didn't think of.
There's a lot different for mein interesting ways.
Yeah.
There's a lot of fun insubversion of expectations.
(35:56):
Yes.
You know, I would say thatsubversion of expectations works
90% of the time, more so than.
Or there's probably a ratiothat I'm not good with Here.
But there's probably a betterratio of subverting expectations
that work.
Honestly, you know, my topshow of the year, I think that's
(36:19):
one of the reasons it was so good.
Because on that finale, wenever got what we thought it might
be built.
We got something muchdifferent, and I think much better.
And then there's.
And here's what happens withfan service versus not fan service
or, or more so of these peoplewho are wishing for it when they,
(36:39):
when they kind of want towrite the show or want to dictate
what it should do, and thenwhen it doesn't do what they think
it should have done, it's bad,and they just have no objective view
anymore.
I think too, like, in my ownlife, you know, I just loved Star
wars as a kid, right.
Yeah.
You know, as did I.
Yeah.
But I think that like, likeI've hit the point in my life where
(37:00):
I'm like, you know what this does?
Putting aside that it's.
It's all crass commercialismfrom Disney at this point, you know,
but it's like, you know what?
If this doesn't work for me,that's fine.
Not everything has to be for me.
Hopefully I'm slowly gettingto that point, you know, where it's
like, this is.
And also, you know, it's achild show for children.
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Like, it's okay if they dostuff pitched at kids.
Right.
That's fine too.
Well, this takes us intoSkeleton Crew, which I haven't watched
one episode because I see thatthat is a show for basically kids.
Yeah.
And for me, I never liked theGoonies very much so, which I did.
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When I was a kid, but I don'thave to see it again.
Yeah, that's kind of.
That's kind of.
That's kind of the way I feel.
Like, yeah, I think it wasgreat when I was a kid, but I'm a.
Yeah, I'm old now.
This is.
This is not in any way tosupport Disney's commercialism over
art.
But it's like, you know what?
Like, everyone has that thingthat they saw when they were a kid
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that's like, if you were 20years older, you'd be like, yeah,
I've seen this before.
But like, it's new for you.
So if this is new, forexample, if this show is new for
some 8 or 9 year old and itgets them really fired up, that's
great.
It's not for me anymore.
It's okay that it's not for me anymore.
People will make things thatare for me.
Well, hopefully there's enoughpeople in this world.
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Yeah, hopefully.
That's probably a discussionto be had too.
That's true.
That's true.
Is that taking up too muchbandwidth that it's not.
It's pushing out things thatare going to be made for us as for
what we do in the shadows.
It wasn't the best in terms offunny this season, but I thought
it was great.
And.
And.
And I thought that the endingitself was kind of.
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I read it as.
This.
As asking a subset of audienceto off.
And I kind of like that.
Although I.
It wasn't necessarilyhilarious in.
In that it did.
But just doing that, to me, is.
The awareness is fun in itsown way without being funny.
Yeah, I thought I did a goodjob just with reinforcing the theme.
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Yeah, that's true.
It did.
It did have some good moments,I thought, though, the finale, the.
The one that really made melaugh was.
And she has rarely made me laugh.
Is the God easing intoxenophobia by saying that there are
other immigrants entering thecountry illegally?
That's pretty good.
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Guillermo.
Like, no, no, no, we're done.
And he's like, cut.
Cut that out, please.
That was actually a reallyfunny moment in a episode that wasn't
necessarily quite as funny.
A lot of comedies, when theydo a specific kind of ending and
maybe they have a narrative ofa bit going throughout its season
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seasons, they tend to not beas funny in the finale.
So I get it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I wonder if they're.
And this is a completely other.
But, like, I wonder if there'sjust something inherently more difficult
at ending a comedy than.
Than a drama.
Or maybe it depends on whatkind of comedy.
Right.
If it's.
If you're Shakespeare, you endit with a wedding easy, you know?
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Yeah.
I always think about Cheers isending, and they did a pretty normal
episode for its ending versus,except for the.
Probably the last five minutes.
Yeah.
And that's the thing, right?
Like, do you just do.
Especially if it's like.
Like, do you do a very specialepisode, or does it just fit in with
what you've done before?
Right.
I don't know.
I think it matters too if.
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If your comedy is just aepisode by episode sort of show,
like, you can watch them outof order even.
Yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
Like, for instance, theSimpsons ever did a finale.
You can watch the Simpsons outof order.
Oh, yeah.
And people do all the time.
Oh, yeah.
Did you.
Did you enjoy the monster?
Everything?
The monster, the bear.
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You know, Guillermo tries tobe sincere.
That Was actually kind offunny for me.
It was okay with the.
Just as they're like.
He's like, you just can't hearwhat he's saying over the.
The wrist.
I mean, and it's just like.
It just completely underlinesthe show for me.
Right.
Like they're self absorbed.
They're not really gonna growor change.
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Yeah.
The opening of the descriptionwith Colin Robinson and Laszlo.
You know, Laszlo's trying toexplain that he has needs and desires
and he's growing as he'sturning more human.
And Colin Robinson's like,he's horny.
He's horny.
I'm gonna.
Man, that's.
I'm gonna.
I liked too that like this wasa finale, but I think this did more
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in.
In my opinion, more in theline of.
Hey, this is kind of like inline as another episode.
Right.
This is just kind of an arbitrary.
Like, here's where it ended.
As they say, we're going to bedoing the same thing when the cameras
are gone tomorrow.
So it also reinforces how muchI'm going to miss the cast and how
well.
How well.
How well they all played offof each other.
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That's true.
I will.
It's one of those shows whereI do believe I'll come back and pull
up a random episode here or there.
Some of my favorites.
I could see myself doing that.
Just.
Yeah, absolutely.
25 minutes to kill.
I think I'll go and watch whatwe do in the shadows, which doesn't
happen often with shows and me.
But this one, it's got enoughfunny stuff going on, especially
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in those middle seasons.
I do still recommend it highly for.
For people still.
Even this week I wasrecommending it again.
Same.
Is it great art?
I don't know.
Does it have something to say?
Sort of.
Is it fun?
Is it funny?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really funny.
If you look at that lastepisode as a answer to.
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I'm going to say thisnegatively, though I am a part of
it.
As a comment to Redditors,then it's.
It's kind of enjoyable as anending and even beyond because there's
some funny bits.
Colin Robinsons of the world.
That's so good.
Yeah.
But super smart, that 1958footage to tell us, oh, they did
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this.
They did this.
Same.
It's the exact same scenario50 years ago.
God.
Okay, that's so.
Yeah, we got the.
We got the witch's hat backagain too.
That was a good.
A good nod.
His cursed witch's hat onlydifference in 1958.
There was no Sean Shawnee.
I know, right?
Yeah, it was a.
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There was a Jerry who hissesat the camera.
All right, we're gonna endhere, but you can reach out to us.
Just a programming note.
We won't be in your.
In your feed, in your podcastfeed next week, but that's okay because
we're gonna be back in weekly,I suppose, when the new year starts.
(43:54):
I haven't looked at thecalendar on how that falls, but I
think that's right.
Yep.
New year starts once Christmastide is nearly over.
No episode next week, butwe'll be back around the 7th of January.
So happy holidays, MerryChristmas, happy New Year, and we
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will talk to you all in two weeks.
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