April 8, 2025 • 42 mins
This week, Taking It Down begins with a welcome and how to help if you enjoy the episode (0:01). Also in the introduction is an overview of what the episode covers (1:38).
From there, Blaine begins the non-spoiler section to drop in for a brief thought on the new Apple TV+ show 'The Studio' (2:21). The podcast moves into a non-spoiler presentation of the Hulu sensation 'Good American Family,' a series that due to self-awareness starts its early season incredibly well (3:28). Without spoilers, the guys offer some interesting factoids about the HBO hit 'The White Lotus' (9:35).
In the spoiler half, tensions are running high in 'The White Lotus' and its penultimate episode, but it's a season that may be asking its best questions yet (14:51).
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As for this week's episode,it's our usual Tuesday episode.
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We'll split the episode in half.
We do that all the time.
Every episode we do nonspoilers to begin about what we'll
cover in detail after thespoiler break.
Feel free to use thetimestamps we provide that gets you
exactly to the segment youmight want to hear.
You can use that that firstsegment of non spoilers to be a set
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of recommendations if youtrust what we think.
Then in the back half we'lldiscuss specifics on some of the
shows we mentioned in thefirst half.
This week we're starting outwith a short set of ideas on this
Hulu show.
It's getting all kinds of buzz.
It's called Good American Family.
We'll keep that in the nonspoiler section only.
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We'll also bring up a fewthings about the White Lotus on hbo.
It's winding down its third season.
After a break, we'll get intoexactly what we thought about that
penultimate episode of theWhite Lotus because that's all we've
seen as we record on Sunday.
But yes, let's get Adam andDonovan, our co hosts, in here.
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They're the best in the land.
Alabama tape projection.
And here they are.
I mentioned them.
They're Donovan.
They're Adam.
Donovan's back from his timein the corner.
He's learned his lesson.
I didn't learn.
He actually hasn't learned hislesson at all.
Caught up.
Put me back in that corner.
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I defy you.
Just like most kids.
You know, Donovan hasn'tlearned a lesson.
I just got finished watchingthe third episode of the Studio on
Apple tv.
I brought it to y'all last week.
I think I brought it to Adam.
And yeah, third episode.
One of our favorites is a hugeguest star.
Like, takes up a lot of the episode.
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And it's Ron Howard.
If you're watching it, thirdepisode, it's pretty good.
Just because of Ron Howard almost.
But yeah.
Does he narrate the episode?
No, sadly, no.
Oh, you actually see him?
Does anyone call him Opie?
Oh, yeah.
You see him?
Oh, very much, yes.
He, he and he and AnthonyMackie are almost a comedic duo.
In this episode, does he getcalled Opie?
You're ducking Donovan's question.
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No.
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't hear him.
No, he doesn't.
Does he get called a bat?
A bald bastard?
Yes.
So no one had gone too far andhad best watched themselves?
No.
I do have a wild one for youguys this week.
Maybe this one is for ouroccasional co host, Natalie.
Three weeks ago, Hulu releasedthe two episode premiere of Good
American Family.
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And it is a.
Like every commercial thatI've seen of that, it's like, just
go into another room.
It's not for you.
You think that about yourself.
I think that about myself.
Seeing this, I'm like, I'mwalking away.
Yes.
Well, I saw my wife watchingGood American Family and she assumed
it wasn't for me either.
Why do wives love this shit?
Well, unfortunately, she cluedme in on some of the big plot points.
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But then I started hearingchatter about it at work and lo and
behold, I got caught up thisweek just back to back nights of
watching this.
I gotta tell you guys, there'ssomething to this madness.
I have no concept of what youguys are talking about.
I assume when you say chatterat work, it's like the kids are talking.
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Or is it like, like, is it.
Do they care?
Adult.
Adult.
Ah, that's too bad.
The opening screen on eachepisode is a very long legal notice.
So you just know you're in fora treat.
Is it kind of like on HBO whenGame of Thrones was still going and
they had like the.
The full gamut of graphicviolence, nudity, sexual content,
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like all the stuff.
You're like, oh, this can be agood one.
You're like, hell, yeah.
It's got none of that.
But that legal disclaimer.
You're just thinking, oh,somebody's in some shit.
It's loosely based.
I guess loosely is the term.
Based on this actual story ofa family, their three sons, and this
additional family member, Iwon't say anything because flying
into these clouds blindly hasbeen a ride.
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It works well because thisseries knows exactly what it is.
It knows it is an outrageousand infamous story.
And facts be damned, tell thisversion for something huing closer
to the truth.
Apparently there's threeseasons and yes, I did say three
seasons.
Documentary on Hulu about this.
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And there's also like a Maxmovie you can watch that's documentary,
but it sits perfectly betweenABC broadcast drama and demented
K boy.
Like a Hulu series.
Here are the two leads.
If this doesn't piece ittogether for you, I don't know what
you can picture that would help.
The wife is played by EllenPompeo from Grey's Anatomy fame,
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and her husband's brought tolife by Mark Duplass.
Huh.
Those two are just clashing.
That doesn't seem like hisusual gig.
It does not.
That's why I stopped when Iwas walking through the room my wife
was watching.
I thought, what is Mark Duplisdoing in this ABC drama you're watching?
She's like, no, it's Hulu.
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Oh.
I mean, the repute of thissounds very melodramatic.
And it.
It has occasional goodfilmmaking going on, though.
It's one of my favorite thingsthat some of the smaller character
beats the wife's name.
Christine.
She plays Yacht Rock everytime she's in her minivan or some
sort of mod Christian.
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And she jams really hard to later.
Annie Lennox.
And you're just like, that isperfect man.
And I can't decide who.
Who it wants to make the mostidiotic Christine.
Her husband Michael, oreveryone involved who are just oblivious
to what's going on.
The most recent fourth episodegives what.
What should have been aobvious bit of backstory.
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But I, you know, these arejust sad people who are trying to
fill some holes in their livesdifferently than any three of us
could have ever thought to do,you know?
You mean viewers of this show?
That's it?
Well, no, I don't think so.
I don't think so at all.
I think this is like a.
Our.
Our listeners, like, what areyou getting?
This is like watching a train wreck.
You.
You can't help but watch it.
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This is so.
I'm so.
I'm dying for Natalie to watch this.
I do hope Natalie listens.
Or I can message her later andtell her about it.
What about it do you thinkappeals to her?
There's just this element oftrash to it.
What are you saying about my wife?
That she likes watching whitetrash people get themselves into
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a pickle.
You think that there is somereality TV energy going on here,
Some nice.
Reality TV energy going.
And I mean, there are a fewsurprises where you'll just be like,
fuck, no.
Do they settle any of theirproblems with the hall brawl?
They don't.
Nor do they throw.
Excuse me.
Maybe they do throw a drink intheir face.
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I think there might be a scenewhere that happens.
Well, that is a classic.
Do you know it's getting goodwhen they show them smoking cigarettes.
If you enjoy pseudo Christianwhite heartland people who think
they're better than everyone,just get their.
Just get their own shit.
You're gonna love this show.
It's a little somethingdifferent for our listeners, if you
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wish.
I don't know.
King of the Hill already did apretty good episode about that.
Well, this one's a full series.
At first you're thinking, God,this kind of is bad acting.
You're like, no, no, no, no.
She is acting for the peoplethere in her presence.
And she's always putting onthis I'm a good Christian woman act.
And so it's just so fun to.
See it break planes flyingagainst headwinds here.
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I enjoyed it.
Sometimes you just want yourentertainment with a dash of trash.
I suppose you want yourentertainment entertaining.
I get.
Was nice to just passivelywatch, you know, I always watch television
very actively.
I can't turn it off.
And it's part of why we havethis podcast, obviously.
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And this.
I turned it off, but yet wasable to muster up all that to say
about it.
So I don't know.
I was passively watching, butenjoying and all that.
Yeah, it's called GoodAmerican Family Hulu, about what,
four or five episodes now?
Good stuff in its own way.
You know, Roger Ebert wasgreat at meeting something.
A movie on its own terms.
Yes.
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And I feel like that's thegrace you are extending to this series
today.
As soon as you finish episodeone, you think probably, or maybe
episode two, you know, oh,that's what they want to be doing.
I'm okay.
Okay, I get it.
Speaking of stories of illrepute, it would be downright silly
not to be talking about theWhite Lotus this week.
We've discussed it on a weeklybasis since the third season began,
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what, seven weeks ago?
The only thing is, we've onlyseen the penultimate episode.
Killer instincts.
You know, it's Sundayafternoon here in our world.
It's a no spoiler zone.
Still, I'll Start with this factoid.
HBO told Mike White to cutthese episodes this season from 90
minutes to like a customary50, 55 runtime.
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Would y'all watch a 90 minuteepisode every Sunday of this season?
It'd have to be really damn good.
He's got me now.
So.
Yeah.
If they hadn't.
If they hadn't started thatuntil say like the last three episodes.
Yeah, you know, maybe a couple.
I would have did that.
That started at 60 and thenbumped up.
I got to be honest with you.
It's going to be a bit of achore to only talk about last week's
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episode here because I'm.
I'm full on.
It feels like there's an eventcoming tonight.
It does.
This is appointment viewingfor me.
The finale.
And that finale is supposed tobe the longest episode of the season.
That's what I was going to say.
It is a 90 minute.
We're pushing it.
Oh, good to know.
I don't know if It's a full90, but it's going to be longer.
I'll give you a factoid fromWhite Lotus Land that I learned this
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week that's making the rounds.
Every actor is paid the same.
Fascinating.
Wait, there's.
There's a part two to that.
Right?
Adam and the.
The.
The billing is alphabetical order.
I guess the fact what you're.
You're digging for there.
So it's.
It's total.
I love that there's no.
We're going to bring in somemassive star who's going to take
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all of the bandwidth bothfinancially and with the building.
But this came up because WoodyHarrelson was apparently up to play
Goggins part.
And he as.
As someone of his caliber would.
I'm sure an agent, not him.
Said he deserves to becompensated like this.
And HBO said no, this is the deal.
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I would assume his businesspeople having a fairly strong working
relationship with the networkthat brought us True Detective.
He went all the way to the top.
And they said nope, we'restanding with.
With White on this one.
Yeah, I think that's great.
I love.
Made me pine for a seasonwhere Matthew McConaughey would have
played Rick.
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I think either McConaughey orHarrelson would be great in this
world.
It really would have been adifferent season if it would have
been Woody Harrelson.
I.
I don't think it works thesame way.
It doesn't.
Is almost perfect.
He's a perfect guy to playthat role.
But for a show where bydefault you're going to be somewhere
for months on end, you know,kind of almost in a little bubble.
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I think that's genius to payhim all the same.
Yeah, it's.
It is smart.
I did hear a story aboutGoggins that Jason Isaac.
Is that his name?
Jason or Jeremy Isaac, whoplays Tim Ratcliffe?
Jason.
Right.
He told on a podcast aboutworking with Goggins and that he
says that Walton Gogginsbrought his wife and kids.
And, you know, he would oftenbump into the wife and kids, but
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the only time he would reallyever see Walton Goggins would be
across the way in his ownvilla on the back porch area, just
smoking and just looking outat the world, much like Rick did
for a few episodes.
Apparently Goggins was marriedyears and years ago and him and that
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woman separated and the womanwent on to unfortunately commit suicide
and in the kind of justshattered him.
And he went to Thailand aspart of this, like, excursion to
kind of try to not bringhimself back to life, but, like,
work through this massive thing.
And so when they were atfilming locations, he was remembering,
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oh, I.
I've been here before.
Wow.
In this very dark moment inhis life.
That's sad.
And it does make sense withhow he's playing this.
Yeah.
Oh, good to know.
Glad we could got heavy there.
They did get heavy.
I'm glad we could bring somestories here in the non spoiler section
because I think we're going tojump into spoilers after the break.
Stick around for just thepenultimate episode of the White
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Lotus.
And if you saw where we did abonus episode, dare I say.
I don't like that word.
I don't like that term much,but if you saw we did an extra episode
a couple weeks ago, we'regoing to do another extra episode
this week, so look out onThursday for our full rundown of
all of the four episodes of Adolescence.
Be worth your time, especiallyif you've seen it, we'll have a non
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Yeah.
We're now in spoilers.
It's time to get specific withthe White Lotus and it's penultimate
episode, Killer Instincts, where.
Let me see if I can run this down.
Rick confronts crazy rich oldass Jim.
The three girlfriends start totear apart in a public argument.
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Lachlan and Piper Ratlif arein the monastery.
Lachlan admits he might wantto stay there too.
Tim, Victoria and Saxon hit upGary's dinner party.
Saxon gets invited to Gary'sweird show and tell.
And Gary tries to give belindaa cool 100k because that's what Tanya
would have wanted.
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That's kind of it, right?
I didn't mention what Gay talk.
He's the only guy I didn'ttalk about.
What'd he do?
He took Mook out for the fights.
They went to the fights and heconnected some dots.
That's right.
With our Russian friends.
Saw the Russians there anddecided, oh, yeah, those are the
guys who distracted me andalso broke in.
Could loom pretty large for aguy who has been told he doesn't
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have what it takes.
He needs more ambition.
I mean, from every side thispoor man is getting.
You don't have what it takes.
Mook being the most gentleabout this declaration.
But come on, don't date him.
If you don't like him as is.
Don'T string him along.
Yeah, I'm not her fan.
She is mean.
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No.
Okay, let's get into this a little.
It's impressive to me how MikeWhite and his crew have made obvious
and deliberate choices.
I think I just speak for allthree of us when I say we just love
and appreciate purposefulintentions in film and tv.
Here they may be obvious towhere, you know, I'm not going to
be relevatory here, but itdoesn't mean that having a purpose
is not a great thing.
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And I think we get hinderedbecause we don't get screeners.
But you probably could haveseen some of these popping up the
last couple episodes.
What's the.
What's the lead in there?
What are you.
What are you.
What are we fishing for?
Just.
I feel like he made verydeliberate choices that either hint
to something or fit a themehe's trying to put on screen.
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And I think a good examplenow, we picked up on this in the
first episode where theRatliff Three Ratliff Kids, right?
See no evil, hear no evil,speak no evil.
And just having threes quiteOften the girlfriends are threes,
the Ratliff kids are threes.
And there's just some motifsthat really are purposeful and probably
point you in a direction, ifyou would like to think of them that
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way.
There's been a lot made of,for example, people's reaction to
the welcome to the WhiteLotus, the kind of spiritual.
You know, maybe they weregiving a bracelet or a necklace,
I can't remember which one,and offered this blessing and how
they reacted to that, possiblyindicating what's gonna happen to
them during this outburst ofviolence at the end.
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You know, that's everybody, really.
When you see a body float by,even more than other seasons, there's
a lot of who done it?
Who is that?
You know, there's a lot ofthat energy going on on the Internet,
yes, for the last seven weeks.
And people have tried to usethat, but that feels intentional.
Everything about, you know,even down to.
There was a Reddit thread thatwas just wondering who.
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Who is dressing Piper.
You know, she wears these.
Someone says she looks like a.
Like a Victorian ghost childwith the.
The big dresses that shewears, and she's usually in white.
But that also conveys acertain spirituality in a way or
a longing for that.
So, yeah, I agree with youthat nothing.
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Nothing is out of place here.
Right.
It feels weird to compare itto, like, a Breaking Bad, but I think
that's, you know, that wasanother show, completely different
viewing experience, obviously,subject matter, but nothing happened
on that show by accident.
And I think that can be put onsteroids here in, like, this insane
location and in these setpieces to where it can be really,
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really dense, especially whenhe knows he only has.
Eight episodes, I think fairto say, because we're not.
You're not saying it is asgood as Breaking Bad.
You're simply saying this showhas purpose in almost every decision.
Breaking Bad had purpose inalmost every decision.
And I think that's absolutely fair.
Little things, like, you know,the snake scene, you brought up a
snake expert saying that himfreeing them is not the act of kindness
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that he thinks it is, becausethese are not native to where they
are to Thailand, and theywouldn't be able to fend for themselves.
And, you know, little thingsall along.
Like that, you know, the ideathat helping someone could be sad
if you not fully know what'sgoing on.
Right.
Which comes up again with himthis week.
Possibly it does.
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Yeah.
Let's dig more.
I love the quote early in theepisode where the monk says that
the only good faith responseis to sit with your Feelings.
I know that we're talking TVshow here, but I like that it.
To me, it's insightful to lookat these characters as trying to
deal with fear, but totallymisguided or horrible ways.
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Maybe every season of WhiteLotus can be done this way, but I
just had noticed it this weekand what a theatrical, intelligent
move to intercut some of theearly episode with those fights.
That juxtaposition serves theseries so well.
And it's one of the high marksof the season, what it has achieved
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in image form.
These people trying to findpeace, trying to find contentment
at the very least.
And then these fighters bothpraying and about to bludgeon each
other.
Well, and Mook points thatout, I thought.
She does.
Yeah.
Having the scene, the scenes with.
With the Monk.
You know, we talked a littlebit last week about how, like you
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said, even though it is a TVshow, there is some beautifully stated
spiritual ideas.
I think even maybe you couldcall them cliche, whatever.
How much spiritual advice areyou taking from your HBO Sunday night?
But me 99, I still think what.
He said about the ocean wasbeautiful, about the, the rising
droplets and then fallingback, all of it.
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Especially because you'relistening through the ears of.
You know, we praised theactress playing Piper for how.
For her performance in thatscene with the Monk where she says,
I've read your books and, youknow, her voice kind of breaks and
she talks about, I feel like Idon't fit in and I struggle with
this and this.
And they were such a help to me.
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So you're listening with thoseyears of like, knowing what that
feels like and that thesewords would be so comforting.
So to have, have those kidsthere experiencing that and then
to have Gaetok, who's out inthe world in a job that implies violence
on some level, stillexpressing his commitment to a Buddhist
idea of nonviolence, oftreating everything with respect.
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To oversimplify, gay talk's alover, not a fighter.
He is.
But the, you know, the idea of.
I mean, I know it's.
It's Hindu, but like ahims ofharm, nothing that everything has
is an animation of life.
And you shouldn't extinguishthat, you know, so that's.
That's me trying to recallreligion classes long ago, but hopefully
I got close enough.
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You did that last week, by the way.
I know I need to stop, but so the.
To then go with.
With Mook to this fight thathe wants to go to.
Yeah.
And yeah, they're.
They're there to beat the shitout of each other to do it with great
ceremony.
Yes.
But that push and pull of, youknow, if you're trying enlightenment,
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in some ways, you know, you'relifted from normal behavior, normal
mortal thinking.
Yeah.
But you also still have tolive in the world.
That's such a nice.
You know, so not only do wehave these.
This kind of motif ofprivileged Americans seeking spirituality,
you have people wrestling withit in their native faith as well,
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or native social ideology.
Tradition.
Yeah.
I love that, man.
Thanks for bringing that tothe table this week.
Well, it felt like real wrestling.
It did.
Yeah.
Him sitting there and to.
To have that be the time thathe makes the connection that these
are the guys who robbed thehotel and.
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And hit him, and what is hegoing to do about it?
Yeah.
You know, that was.
That was so well done.
I.
Yeah, I agree with that.
And it would look great.
It just looked good on tv.
Yeah.
In fact, when they did thefirst cut to the fight, I thought
they're gonna get a little toocinematic for their own good here.
But then.
No, it fit perfectly.
Yeah.
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Absolutely.
It also.
That's the first time thatyou're in a public space with seating
like that since you're at thesnake show.
Did it make you think of thatat all?
A little bit.
Kind of in the background ofmy mind.
Has to be some intent there.
I don't disagree there.
Let's go.
Maybe some character groups bycharacter groups until we get to
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the end.
Let's go to Bangkok, though.
One way that Frank deals withfear is trying to act.
Fear of trying to act like aHollywood action director is to hit
the bottle again.
Now, this is why you rope inSam Rockwell.
I know I said that threeepisodes ago, but he is so funny
with stumbling over what tosay or what movies he's.
(24:06):
He watched, which he has not.
All right, here's my complaint.
I know Rick's got a lot goingon, but he should have prepped our
guy.
Send him a text, send him alink, send him an IMD page.
I've seen some folks onlinesay this is how, you know that they're
trying to keep these people asreal as possible.
(24:27):
Because we still think that,like, maybe these were assassins
in a former life or maybe they.
They did something.
I don't think so anymore.
Not on the up and up.
But they're so bad at this.
Yeah.
They couldn't even be botheredto look at Wikipedia.
Yeah.
Did you laugh at this woman's house?
Yeah.
But it was also veryuncomfortable in the way we talked
last week about Peoplesneaking around.
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The old film idea of like, I'mgonna break into this person's house
and oh, I'm gonna still bethere when they come and I have to
hide in the closet.
That's my.
I hate that.
I hate watching that.
Yeah, it makes me anxious andthis whole scene felt like that.
I laughed though, Frank.
It was funny.
What's the line?
When Rick finally comes, comesback to Frank and the actress.
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He says they're watching thisreally 1991 video.
And he's like, oh, she's great.
It's like Pippin.
But yeah, you're right.
Those scenes were justnaturally tensed and mixed, which
is fun way.
You know, like we saidearlier, sometimes you want your
entertainment to be entertaining.
And it is fun watching thesetwo guys try to come up with variations
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of lies to make sure theydon't get kicked out too early.
Well, it was a little tough to watch.
Watch the relapse happenthough, after you've.
You've heard, you know, the.
The monologue is so praised asbeing an authentic representation
of hitting rock bottom andseeking again some form of enlightenment.
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Some doing the work.
Obviously people move forwardand back in real life.
But he was such a.
Alternative to the, you know,five star resort version of that
that had been shown other withother folks in the show.
Yeah.
If you're gonna make acomplaint, there is a slight imbalance
(26:12):
in how that was played.
It was played a little bitmore for laughs than intensity of
this is how desperate he feelsright now.
It's just a little too funnymaybe for some, but I'm okay with
that.
I don't know.
I felt the weight of it.
I mean, it was funny.
Yeah, absolutely.
It was funny that what theywere trying to.
(26:35):
Them stumbling to try to talktheir way out of it was funny.
But the, the underlyingsadness was definitely there.
And they drive that homethrough the rest of the episode.
Yeah.
You know, when they leave andkind of go off into the night and
say, all right, let's have oneand I'll be a good guy tomorrow.
Yeah, I can start over tomorrow.
Yeah.
How many times have we allsaid that about something?
(26:57):
Rick doesn't kill Jim.
He does pull the gun, tellshim who he is, flips his chair over.
Because the episode ends withthis shot of Rick looking satisfied
over the party scene he andFrank are indulging in.
It did make me consider thathis look wasn't of satisfaction,
that it might be moreambiguous than that.
(27:20):
How did you read that shot ofRick sitting on a couch watching
everybody party?
That was A tough one for me.
I don't think we.
When we were going to have ananswer this week, my immediate thought
was, you have.
He has.
Chelsea, who's so committed tohim, making all of her decisions
about him are based on.
(27:41):
On him, trying to call him,genuinely cares about him.
And this is a grown man wellinto adulthood who is still completely
defined by, you know, he'swilling to sacrifice all of that
with her to get back at somechildhood trauma.
You know, and obviously thoserun deep.
But they run very deep.
To me, it just.
(28:02):
It showed the levels of hisself interest and selfishness and
I don't know how to read.
I don't think we're supposedto know what happened with maybe
his father, you know, at leastthe man that he went to kill.
Maybe that fall, that was apretty decrepit old man.
That fall could have beenpretty bad.
Could have hurt Scott Glenn.
(28:22):
His character, Jim.
Yeah, we don't know if he'ssitting there at the end, goggins
in certain level ofsatisfaction, and he's not going
to participate in this and hejust wants to get back to.
To Chelsea or he's about to.
Could have been the look of aman on the high dive about to.
About to jump.
I think the first and obviousresponse is to say, okay, he's found
(28:45):
a little contentment in justat least encountering this guy.
And everyone online, everyoneyou talk to has concluded that Jim
is Rick's actual dad.
The scene does play like that.
If you want to watch ScottGlenn's expressions when he hears
Rick.
Rick's mom's name.
Y.
I mean, he did know her.
You got to think.
(29:05):
And plus, if you think thatRick's found contentment, he would
get around to answeringChelsea's phone calls right around
then.
You'd see him.
Maybe, you know, the screenwould go.
I mean, your screen stillshows him, but the partying music
would be too loud and you justsee him answer the phone or something,
and that's your final shot.
But it wasn't.
Well, not only has he ignoredsomeone who cares about him, he's
(29:28):
now put her in prettyconsiderable danger because it's
not like they don't know thathe's staying at the White Lotus.
Like, this guy comes intotheir house and assaults them.
He still has his bags and hisgirlfriend at a room at a resort
that they own.
Yeah, they could get her.
Instead.
Chelsea's at Gary shindigmostly, and she has to deal with
(29:48):
Saxon hitting on her again.
It was, you know, it'squestionable that she even allowed
Saxon back to her place.
But she also admits that she'sreally into healing people, helping
people.
That's specifically rigged.
It's not the money for her.
It's fixing Rick.
A kind of sad statement.
She brings Saxon in and heturns the interaction into a situation
(30:14):
to really go for it.
Between.
Between the two, I found thata little.
I don't think earlier seasonChelsea would have done that.
She would not have brought himinto a room alone.
And I don't think earlierseason Saxon would have reacted the
way that he.
Did, sort of accepting mostlythe guy.
(30:34):
That he's painted to be forthe first few episodes before the
cracks start to show.
I don't think he's a guy wholeaves that room that easily and
certainly doesn't leave withthe books about spiritual enlightenment
that she gives him.
He did gather the books up.
Well, she loaded him down.
Yeah.
Some people think maybe shewas frightened of that she felt some
(30:57):
sort of connection to him andthat that was part of the get out.
It wasn't just like, oh, ofcourse, that's why you're here.
Get out.
It was, you know, for thefirst time, she's maybe sensing something
there and it could be what you're.
What you're talking about oflike, here's another broken person
who.
Yeah, but this one, you know,I've seen other things that maybe
the real reveal is going to bethat the other two kids come back
(31:18):
from the monastery and Saxonis the one who either stays there
or has some genuine enlightenment.
Certainly be different thanwhat you're expecting.
I think that that would beearned at this point in the season.
Yeah, I do too.
I don't disagree.
Not what you would expectafter episode one, of course.
I'm really glad the Russiansdidn't end up being harmful to the
three girlfriends there on vacation.
(31:39):
Came close.
Well, bro definitely hit upLaurie for money in any app she has
available.
That rundown of apps was.
It was good stuff, I thought.
Good.
That was the most frighteningscene of the season so far.
You thought it was going to bea little danger.
Yeah, I think that there wasdanger involved if, you know, spurn
girlfriend doesn't show upthere and breaks that.
(32:01):
I think that maybe she is in abit of trouble.
Could be.
She's also.
They're kind of showing howfor all the money that these people
have amassed in their life,they're not street smart enough to
like, talk themselves out ofsituations like that generally.
Yeah.
Obviously, before Laurie hasto climb out the window and she gets
(32:21):
slapped by Alexis Girlfriend,I think, is his name.
All right, I got the.
I've saved the big question tothe back end of our discussion.
Huge.
Are we gonna see justice for Fabian?
Is he gonna get his return tostage and perform in full his piano
slash German song?
(32:43):
When you.
We're still in the business ofplaying shows.
Did you ever have one on the books?
And as you got closer to aweek of.
You find out, well, there'sthis thing going on in Birmingham.
There's this show.
All right.
That's like half the audienceis going to go to that.
All right.
There's this other thing goingon that's going to take away this
part of the audience.
There's this other thing.
(33:04):
I feel like that's whathappened to our guy here.
Yeah.
A lot of our shows happen that way.
Yeah.
That you were everybody'ssecond choice.
You know, it's gonna be alittle light.
Yeah.
You performance that evening.
You book the show.
You go online a couple dayslater and realize, oh, the Dexa Teens
are playing Tuscaloosa fivedoors down.
That's why they booked me.
(33:24):
Yeah.
I feel Fabian's pain.
Indeed.
And I've also played a showwhere fights have broken out.
I think might have to dig thememories there.
Tim's story, I think it'smaybe at this point, seeping a little
of the air in the room.
He's kind of repeatedlyreturning to this fantasy or dream
of murder or suicide or murder suicide.
(33:47):
Not really doing much else.
You do get Saxon talking tohim, saying, dad, something's up.
I finally figured out thatsomething's up.
I'm a sense that what thehell's going on with work?
Well, when he approached himat the party, when he's talking with.
With Greg Gary, you justwonder, is he going to try to preempt,
get ahead of the story?
(34:07):
Like, if Greg knows somethingabout what happened between the brothers
on the boat, is this.
Is.
Is he about to overplay hishand, reveal information that he
doesn't have to, but insteadit's the conversation you're.
You're talking about there.
Reveal about he and Lachlan's experience.
Yeah.
In bonding.
Because everybody thinks the brother.
(34:28):
I'm going to put a euphemism.
Well, everybody thinks thatthere's cameras all over the boat.
Right.
And that he'll be able toblackmail them somehow.
He.
He took a stab via his girlfriend.
Don't you want to bang mygirlfriend and let me just sit in
a chair?
Chill out.
Yet again, every week, youthink there's no way that the Chelsea
(34:50):
can one up her just watching ascene, play out her expressions and
then here she is.
What does she say?
Oh, every little boy's dreamor something like that.
Amy Lou Wood's fantastic atreaction shots.
There's no doubt about it.
She's great.
Going back to Tim, the factthat he.
In a season that we can say isabout like spirituality in some way
(35:12):
seeking enlightenment,whatever it is.
Here's a guy that like keepsrunning into, if not solutions, then
some sort of balm for themassive problems that he has.
You know, whether it's thetalk with the monk that seemed to
actually affect him in some way.
And no matter what, he can't.
You talked about the suicideor violent thoughts kind of, you
(35:35):
know, maybe they'reoverplaying that a little bit, but
it's like he clears his headand then they come back.
He can't shake them.
And I think when you view himthat way, if you only watched his
story, it would be strikinghow, how much he's haunted by this
idea.
I feel as though they maybecould have dug around a little bit
more to try to find one moreway to present that.
(35:58):
Keep feeling like, okay, I got this.
It's okay, you don't have toshow me.
Did you like that?
He is at a place that's sodesperate that he's having all of
those thoughts when they saywe have to go to this dinner party
like a good upper class gentleman.
He just put on a shirt and goton with it.
That was kind of funny.
It took a couple pills.
(36:18):
I was gonna say, not without acouple of Lorazipams.
Here's a.
Should have put this in thefactoid non spoiler.
But UAB is hosting a talkslash performance.
I couldn't tell by the posterof Napoleon Dynamite with John Heder,
John Grease, Uncle Rico andthe young man who played Pedro.
(36:43):
And I was just thinking whenthey booked this, obviously John
Grease had.
Has been on HBO with seasonone and two of the White Lottery.
But did they know they weregoing to have the big bad, such a
commanding presence as he'snow become when they booked this?
Curious to know.
(37:04):
Speaking of, what do you thinkof old Belinda?
I would have had to take thatmoney, man.
I mean, you don't knowanything other than where he is.
Just take the money.
I would have probably uppedthe ante to about 200.
Okay, I need a little more on.
You're in a palatial estate.
You know what his dead wifewas worth, roughly?
(37:26):
This is she.
He's throwing pennies at her pennies.
That was a weak offer, man.
It should have been a 500K.
Oh, yeah.
@ least you start thebargaining there.
Willing to go up to a mill forsure meal.
Seems like he wouldn't do.
But, I mean, if I'm.
Belinda, I'm saying you've gota great point, but I really do think
Tanya would have wanted me tohave $700,000.
(37:50):
It just makes it a lot more convincing.
Yeah, well, maybe that's the point.
Like he was just gonna throw,like you said, pennies at her to
get rid of her.
But the other alternative, Ithink we discussed this last week,
is what if.
What if he really didn't do anything?
I told you, man, he's just a.
He's a decent guy.
He's got a heart of gold.
(38:10):
And he.
He sat and thought, man,$100,000 for this woman, that would
go a long way to starting her business.
And I think that would bereally helpful.
And it's not hush money at all.
She needs it.
Tanya would have wanted it.
I do appreciate her son havingthe full plate of food and being
like, do we really have toleave right now?
I mean, let.
Let the guy eat.
Just some good college guyenergy there.
(38:30):
As for a to go plate.
Yeah, this is free.
And you're going to make meput it down.
That's.
That would really present themand their strata of class if he would
have said, okay, well, justlet me get a to go plate.
Yeah, Nothing wrong with a togo plate.
No, not at all.
I won't bother speculating.
(38:51):
We're only hours away from thefinale where we are.
Everyone would have watchedwhen this episode of our podcast
released on Tuesday.
It does feel silly.
Did you leave this penultimateepisode with the feeling of any one
person being in more dangerthan the others?
No, not this time.
I did not.
And you.
You know, people.
(39:11):
The easy one is to say Belindais in imminent danger.
That she's a little.
She's already got a streak ofbad luck and is not playing this
real street smart.
She's in danger.
Chelsea's kind of a sittingduck because her partner boyfriend
has.
She's.
Her mentioning of.
Things happen in threes.
Bad things.
(39:32):
Yep.
I don't think Mike Wyatt hasit in him to kill Belinda.
I have a feeling he likes thatcharacter a lot.
And I mean, the only one thatwe know is safe through the initial
action is her son is Zion.
That's correct.
I think it's a really goodseason so far.
I still think that.
I think that it improved and Ithink that there are a few slightly
(39:55):
things that could have beendone better.
I mentioned them here, butit's nothing that's detrimental.
It just ended up being a different.
Some of the things that Ithink coming in.
You just said it.
You know, I don't think MikeWhite would do this.
This is not that kind of show.
You know, things like thatwere said.
And now this has turned into aseason with both very violent stakes,
(40:15):
high stakes and big questions.
You know, not that the otherones didn't ask big questions, but
they were maybe presented in aless direct way where this is very
much about spirituality andbelief and the, like, a framework.
For l, you know, deeperquestions this season.
And I'm always a fan of thatkind of thing.
(40:36):
And the intentionality ofthis, of this series has made it
really great.
I'm excited to watch thisfinality soon.
Finale soon.
With some finality.
With some finality.
And season four is going to befilmed in Gary, Indiana.
That's what I saw.
That was a great click hole.
Not only that, but that wouldbe stupendous if it was like Omaha,
(40:59):
Nebraska.
They already rented out theBest Western.
You can't get a refund on that.
No, they bought it, right?
They bought it.
It'd probably be cheaper, huh?
It's funny little.
They're there for months.
Click.
Hope a clickhole post onInstagram is what we're referencing.
You may have seen it.
Well, speaking of shows thatask tough questions, Donovan and
I will be back this veryThursday, not that long.
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As for this week's episode,it's our usual Tuesday episode.
(01:09):
We'll split the episode in half.
We do that all the time.
Every episode we do nonspoilers to begin about what we'll
cover in detail after thespoiler break.
Feel free to use thetimestamps we provide that gets you
exactly to the segment youmight want to hear.
You can use that that firstsegment of non spoilers to be a set
(01:31):
of recommendations if youtrust what we think.
Then in the back half we'lldiscuss specifics on some of the
shows we mentioned in thefirst half.
This week we're starting outwith a short set of ideas on this
Hulu show.
It's getting all kinds of buzz.
It's called Good American Family.
We'll keep that in the nonspoiler section only.
(01:52):
We'll also bring up a fewthings about the White Lotus on hbo.
It's winding down its third season.
After a break, we'll get intoexactly what we thought about that
penultimate episode of theWhite Lotus because that's all we've
seen as we record on Sunday.
But yes, let's get Adam andDonovan, our co hosts, in here.
(02:14):
They're the best in the land.
Alabama tape projection.
And here they are.
I mentioned them.
They're Donovan.
They're Adam.
Donovan's back from his timein the corner.
He's learned his lesson.
I didn't learn.
He actually hasn't learned hislesson at all.
Caught up.
Put me back in that corner.
(02:34):
I defy you.
Just like most kids.
You know, Donovan hasn'tlearned a lesson.
I just got finished watchingthe third episode of the Studio on
Apple tv.
I brought it to y'all last week.
I think I brought it to Adam.
And yeah, third episode.
One of our favorites is a hugeguest star.
Like, takes up a lot of the episode.
(02:55):
And it's Ron Howard.
If you're watching it, thirdepisode, it's pretty good.
Just because of Ron Howard almost.
But yeah.
Does he narrate the episode?
No, sadly, no.
Oh, you actually see him?
Does anyone call him Opie?
Oh, yeah.
You see him?
Oh, very much, yes.
He, he and he and AnthonyMackie are almost a comedic duo.
In this episode, does he getcalled Opie?
You're ducking Donovan's question.
(03:16):
No.
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't hear him.
No, he doesn't.
Does he get called a bat?
A bald bastard?
Yes.
So no one had gone too far andhad best watched themselves?
No.
I do have a wild one for youguys this week.
Maybe this one is for ouroccasional co host, Natalie.
Three weeks ago, Hulu releasedthe two episode premiere of Good
American Family.
(03:37):
And it is a.
Like every commercial thatI've seen of that, it's like, just
go into another room.
It's not for you.
You think that about yourself.
I think that about myself.
Seeing this, I'm like, I'mwalking away.
Yes.
Well, I saw my wife watchingGood American Family and she assumed
it wasn't for me either.
Why do wives love this shit?
Well, unfortunately, she cluedme in on some of the big plot points.
(04:01):
But then I started hearingchatter about it at work and lo and
behold, I got caught up thisweek just back to back nights of
watching this.
I gotta tell you guys, there'ssomething to this madness.
I have no concept of what youguys are talking about.
I assume when you say chatterat work, it's like the kids are talking.
(04:21):
Or is it like, like, is it.
Do they care?
Adult.
Adult.
Ah, that's too bad.
The opening screen on eachepisode is a very long legal notice.
So you just know you're in fora treat.
Is it kind of like on HBO whenGame of Thrones was still going and
they had like the.
The full gamut of graphicviolence, nudity, sexual content,
(04:43):
like all the stuff.
You're like, oh, this can be agood one.
You're like, hell, yeah.
It's got none of that.
But that legal disclaimer.
You're just thinking, oh,somebody's in some shit.
It's loosely based.
I guess loosely is the term.
Based on this actual story ofa family, their three sons, and this
additional family member, Iwon't say anything because flying
into these clouds blindly hasbeen a ride.
(05:05):
It works well because thisseries knows exactly what it is.
It knows it is an outrageousand infamous story.
And facts be damned, tell thisversion for something huing closer
to the truth.
Apparently there's threeseasons and yes, I did say three
seasons.
Documentary on Hulu about this.
(05:26):
And there's also like a Maxmovie you can watch that's documentary,
but it sits perfectly betweenABC broadcast drama and demented
K boy.
Like a Hulu series.
Here are the two leads.
If this doesn't piece ittogether for you, I don't know what
you can picture that would help.
The wife is played by EllenPompeo from Grey's Anatomy fame,
(05:48):
and her husband's brought tolife by Mark Duplass.
Huh.
Those two are just clashing.
That doesn't seem like hisusual gig.
It does not.
That's why I stopped when Iwas walking through the room my wife
was watching.
I thought, what is Mark Duplisdoing in this ABC drama you're watching?
She's like, no, it's Hulu.
(06:08):
Oh.
I mean, the repute of thissounds very melodramatic.
And it.
It has occasional goodfilmmaking going on, though.
It's one of my favorite thingsthat some of the smaller character
beats the wife's name.
Christine.
She plays Yacht Rock everytime she's in her minivan or some
sort of mod Christian.
(06:29):
And she jams really hard to later.
Annie Lennox.
And you're just like, that isperfect man.
And I can't decide who.
Who it wants to make the mostidiotic Christine.
Her husband Michael, oreveryone involved who are just oblivious
to what's going on.
The most recent fourth episodegives what.
What should have been aobvious bit of backstory.
(06:49):
But I, you know, these arejust sad people who are trying to
fill some holes in their livesdifferently than any three of us
could have ever thought to do,you know?
You mean viewers of this show?
That's it?
Well, no, I don't think so.
I don't think so at all.
I think this is like a.
Our.
Our listeners, like, what areyou getting?
This is like watching a train wreck.
You.
You can't help but watch it.
(07:12):
This is so.
I'm so.
I'm dying for Natalie to watch this.
I do hope Natalie listens.
Or I can message her later andtell her about it.
What about it do you thinkappeals to her?
There's just this element oftrash to it.
What are you saying about my wife?
That she likes watching whitetrash people get themselves into
(07:33):
a pickle.
You think that there is somereality TV energy going on here,
Some nice.
Reality TV energy going.
And I mean, there are a fewsurprises where you'll just be like,
fuck, no.
Do they settle any of theirproblems with the hall brawl?
They don't.
Nor do they throw.
Excuse me.
Maybe they do throw a drink intheir face.
(07:54):
I think there might be a scenewhere that happens.
Well, that is a classic.
Do you know it's getting goodwhen they show them smoking cigarettes.
If you enjoy pseudo Christianwhite heartland people who think
they're better than everyone,just get their.
Just get their own shit.
You're gonna love this show.
It's a little somethingdifferent for our listeners, if you
(08:15):
wish.
I don't know.
King of the Hill already did apretty good episode about that.
Well, this one's a full series.
At first you're thinking, God,this kind of is bad acting.
You're like, no, no, no, no.
She is acting for the peoplethere in her presence.
And she's always putting onthis I'm a good Christian woman act.
And so it's just so fun to.
See it break planes flyingagainst headwinds here.
(08:38):
I enjoyed it.
Sometimes you just want yourentertainment with a dash of trash.
I suppose you want yourentertainment entertaining.
I get.
Was nice to just passivelywatch, you know, I always watch television
very actively.
I can't turn it off.
And it's part of why we havethis podcast, obviously.
(08:59):
And this.
I turned it off, but yet wasable to muster up all that to say
about it.
So I don't know.
I was passively watching, butenjoying and all that.
Yeah, it's called GoodAmerican Family Hulu, about what,
four or five episodes now?
Good stuff in its own way.
You know, Roger Ebert wasgreat at meeting something.
A movie on its own terms.
Yes.
(09:19):
And I feel like that's thegrace you are extending to this series
today.
As soon as you finish episodeone, you think probably, or maybe
episode two, you know, oh,that's what they want to be doing.
I'm okay.
Okay, I get it.
Speaking of stories of illrepute, it would be downright silly
not to be talking about theWhite Lotus this week.
We've discussed it on a weeklybasis since the third season began,
(09:41):
what, seven weeks ago?
The only thing is, we've onlyseen the penultimate episode.
Killer instincts.
You know, it's Sundayafternoon here in our world.
It's a no spoiler zone.
Still, I'll Start with this factoid.
HBO told Mike White to cutthese episodes this season from 90
minutes to like a customary50, 55 runtime.
(10:03):
Would y'all watch a 90 minuteepisode every Sunday of this season?
It'd have to be really damn good.
He's got me now.
So.
Yeah.
If they hadn't.
If they hadn't started thatuntil say like the last three episodes.
Yeah, you know, maybe a couple.
I would have did that.
That started at 60 and thenbumped up.
I got to be honest with you.
It's going to be a bit of achore to only talk about last week's
(10:26):
episode here because I'm.
I'm full on.
It feels like there's an eventcoming tonight.
It does.
This is appointment viewingfor me.
The finale.
And that finale is supposed tobe the longest episode of the season.
That's what I was going to say.
It is a 90 minute.
We're pushing it.
Oh, good to know.
I don't know if It's a full90, but it's going to be longer.
I'll give you a factoid fromWhite Lotus Land that I learned this
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week that's making the rounds.
Every actor is paid the same.
Fascinating.
Wait, there's.
There's a part two to that.
Right?
Adam and the.
The.
The billing is alphabetical order.
I guess the fact what you're.
You're digging for there.
So it's.
It's total.
I love that there's no.
We're going to bring in somemassive star who's going to take
(11:09):
all of the bandwidth bothfinancially and with the building.
But this came up because WoodyHarrelson was apparently up to play
Goggins part.
And he as.
As someone of his caliber would.
I'm sure an agent, not him.
Said he deserves to becompensated like this.
And HBO said no, this is the deal.
(11:29):
I would assume his businesspeople having a fairly strong working
relationship with the networkthat brought us True Detective.
He went all the way to the top.
And they said nope, we'restanding with.
With White on this one.
Yeah, I think that's great.
I love.
Made me pine for a seasonwhere Matthew McConaughey would have
played Rick.
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I think either McConaughey orHarrelson would be great in this
world.
It really would have been adifferent season if it would have
been Woody Harrelson.
I.
I don't think it works thesame way.
It doesn't.
Is almost perfect.
He's a perfect guy to playthat role.
But for a show where bydefault you're going to be somewhere
for months on end, you know,kind of almost in a little bubble.
(12:13):
I think that's genius to payhim all the same.
Yeah, it's.
It is smart.
I did hear a story aboutGoggins that Jason Isaac.
Is that his name?
Jason or Jeremy Isaac, whoplays Tim Ratcliffe?
Jason.
Right.
He told on a podcast aboutworking with Goggins and that he
says that Walton Gogginsbrought his wife and kids.
And, you know, he would oftenbump into the wife and kids, but
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the only time he would reallyever see Walton Goggins would be
across the way in his ownvilla on the back porch area, just
smoking and just looking outat the world, much like Rick did
for a few episodes.
Apparently Goggins was marriedyears and years ago and him and that
(12:56):
woman separated and the womanwent on to unfortunately commit suicide
and in the kind of justshattered him.
And he went to Thailand aspart of this, like, excursion to
kind of try to not bringhimself back to life, but, like,
work through this massive thing.
And so when they were atfilming locations, he was remembering,
(13:19):
oh, I.
I've been here before.
Wow.
In this very dark moment inhis life.
That's sad.
And it does make sense withhow he's playing this.
Yeah.
Oh, good to know.
Glad we could got heavy there.
They did get heavy.
I'm glad we could bring somestories here in the non spoiler section
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Yeah.
We're now in spoilers.
It's time to get specific withthe White Lotus and it's penultimate
episode, Killer Instincts, where.
Let me see if I can run this down.
Rick confronts crazy rich oldass Jim.
The three girlfriends start totear apart in a public argument.
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Lachlan and Piper Ratlif arein the monastery.
Lachlan admits he might wantto stay there too.
Tim, Victoria and Saxon hit upGary's dinner party.
Saxon gets invited to Gary'sweird show and tell.
And Gary tries to give belindaa cool 100k because that's what Tanya
would have wanted.
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That's kind of it, right?
I didn't mention what Gay talk.
He's the only guy I didn'ttalk about.
What'd he do?
He took Mook out for the fights.
They went to the fights and heconnected some dots.
That's right.
With our Russian friends.
Saw the Russians there anddecided, oh, yeah, those are the
guys who distracted me andalso broke in.
Could loom pretty large for aguy who has been told he doesn't
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have what it takes.
He needs more ambition.
I mean, from every side thispoor man is getting.
You don't have what it takes.
Mook being the most gentleabout this declaration.
But come on, don't date him.
If you don't like him as is.
Don'T string him along.
Yeah, I'm not her fan.
She is mean.
(16:10):
No.
Okay, let's get into this a little.
It's impressive to me how MikeWhite and his crew have made obvious
and deliberate choices.
I think I just speak for allthree of us when I say we just love
and appreciate purposefulintentions in film and tv.
Here they may be obvious towhere, you know, I'm not going to
be relevatory here, but itdoesn't mean that having a purpose
is not a great thing.
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And I think we get hinderedbecause we don't get screeners.
But you probably could haveseen some of these popping up the
last couple episodes.
What's the.
What's the lead in there?
What are you.
What are you.
What are we fishing for?
Just.
I feel like he made verydeliberate choices that either hint
to something or fit a themehe's trying to put on screen.
(16:52):
And I think a good examplenow, we picked up on this in the
first episode where theRatliff Three Ratliff Kids, right?
See no evil, hear no evil,speak no evil.
And just having threes quiteOften the girlfriends are threes,
the Ratliff kids are threes.
And there's just some motifsthat really are purposeful and probably
point you in a direction, ifyou would like to think of them that
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way.
There's been a lot made of,for example, people's reaction to
the welcome to the WhiteLotus, the kind of spiritual.
You know, maybe they weregiving a bracelet or a necklace,
I can't remember which one,and offered this blessing and how
they reacted to that, possiblyindicating what's gonna happen to
them during this outburst ofviolence at the end.
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You know, that's everybody, really.
When you see a body float by,even more than other seasons, there's
a lot of who done it?
Who is that?
You know, there's a lot ofthat energy going on on the Internet,
yes, for the last seven weeks.
And people have tried to usethat, but that feels intentional.
Everything about, you know,even down to.
There was a Reddit thread thatwas just wondering who.
(17:58):
Who is dressing Piper.
You know, she wears these.
Someone says she looks like a.
Like a Victorian ghost childwith the.
The big dresses that shewears, and she's usually in white.
But that also conveys acertain spirituality in a way or
a longing for that.
So, yeah, I agree with youthat nothing.
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Nothing is out of place here.
Right.
It feels weird to compare itto, like, a Breaking Bad, but I think
that's, you know, that wasanother show, completely different
viewing experience, obviously,subject matter, but nothing happened
on that show by accident.
And I think that can be put onsteroids here in, like, this insane
location and in these setpieces to where it can be really,
(18:42):
really dense, especially whenhe knows he only has.
Eight episodes, I think fairto say, because we're not.
You're not saying it is asgood as Breaking Bad.
You're simply saying this showhas purpose in almost every decision.
Breaking Bad had purpose inalmost every decision.
And I think that's absolutely fair.
Little things, like, you know,the snake scene, you brought up a
snake expert saying that himfreeing them is not the act of kindness
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that he thinks it is, becausethese are not native to where they
are to Thailand, and theywouldn't be able to fend for themselves.
And, you know, little thingsall along.
Like that, you know, the ideathat helping someone could be sad
if you not fully know what'sgoing on.
Right.
Which comes up again with himthis week.
Possibly it does.
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Yeah.
Let's dig more.
I love the quote early in theepisode where the monk says that
the only good faith responseis to sit with your Feelings.
I know that we're talking TVshow here, but I like that it.
To me, it's insightful to lookat these characters as trying to
deal with fear, but totallymisguided or horrible ways.
(19:47):
Maybe every season of WhiteLotus can be done this way, but I
just had noticed it this weekand what a theatrical, intelligent
move to intercut some of theearly episode with those fights.
That juxtaposition serves theseries so well.
And it's one of the high marksof the season, what it has achieved
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in image form.
These people trying to findpeace, trying to find contentment
at the very least.
And then these fighters bothpraying and about to bludgeon each
other.
Well, and Mook points thatout, I thought.
She does.
Yeah.
Having the scene, the scenes with.
With the Monk.
You know, we talked a littlebit last week about how, like you
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said, even though it is a TVshow, there is some beautifully stated
spiritual ideas.
I think even maybe you couldcall them cliche, whatever.
How much spiritual advice areyou taking from your HBO Sunday night?
But me 99, I still think what.
He said about the ocean wasbeautiful, about the, the rising
droplets and then fallingback, all of it.
(20:52):
Especially because you'relistening through the ears of.
You know, we praised theactress playing Piper for how.
For her performance in thatscene with the Monk where she says,
I've read your books and, youknow, her voice kind of breaks and
she talks about, I feel like Idon't fit in and I struggle with
this and this.
And they were such a help to me.
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So you're listening with thoseyears of like, knowing what that
feels like and that thesewords would be so comforting.
So to have, have those kidsthere experiencing that and then
to have Gaetok, who's out inthe world in a job that implies violence
on some level, stillexpressing his commitment to a Buddhist
idea of nonviolence, oftreating everything with respect.
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To oversimplify, gay talk's alover, not a fighter.
He is.
But the, you know, the idea of.
I mean, I know it's.
It's Hindu, but like ahims ofharm, nothing that everything has
is an animation of life.
And you shouldn't extinguishthat, you know, so that's.
That's me trying to recallreligion classes long ago, but hopefully
I got close enough.
(21:58):
You did that last week, by the way.
I know I need to stop, but so the.
To then go with.
With Mook to this fight thathe wants to go to.
Yeah.
And yeah, they're.
They're there to beat the shitout of each other to do it with great
ceremony.
Yes.
But that push and pull of, youknow, if you're trying enlightenment,
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in some ways, you know, you'relifted from normal behavior, normal
mortal thinking.
Yeah.
But you also still have tolive in the world.
That's such a nice.
You know, so not only do wehave these.
This kind of motif ofprivileged Americans seeking spirituality,
you have people wrestling withit in their native faith as well,
(22:42):
or native social ideology.
Tradition.
Yeah.
I love that, man.
Thanks for bringing that tothe table this week.
Well, it felt like real wrestling.
It did.
Yeah.
Him sitting there and to.
To have that be the time thathe makes the connection that these
are the guys who robbed thehotel and.
(23:03):
And hit him, and what is hegoing to do about it?
Yeah.
You know, that was.
That was so well done.
I.
Yeah, I agree with that.
And it would look great.
It just looked good on tv.
Yeah.
In fact, when they did thefirst cut to the fight, I thought
they're gonna get a little toocinematic for their own good here.
But then.
No, it fit perfectly.
Yeah.
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Absolutely.
It also.
That's the first time thatyou're in a public space with seating
like that since you're at thesnake show.
Did it make you think of thatat all?
A little bit.
Kind of in the background ofmy mind.
Has to be some intent there.
I don't disagree there.
Let's go.
Maybe some character groups bycharacter groups until we get to
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the end.
Let's go to Bangkok, though.
One way that Frank deals withfear is trying to act.
Fear of trying to act like aHollywood action director is to hit
the bottle again.
Now, this is why you rope inSam Rockwell.
I know I said that threeepisodes ago, but he is so funny
with stumbling over what tosay or what movies he's.
(24:06):
He watched, which he has not.
All right, here's my complaint.
I know Rick's got a lot goingon, but he should have prepped our
guy.
Send him a text, send him alink, send him an IMD page.
I've seen some folks onlinesay this is how, you know that they're
trying to keep these people asreal as possible.
(24:27):
Because we still think that,like, maybe these were assassins
in a former life or maybe they.
They did something.
I don't think so anymore.
Not on the up and up.
But they're so bad at this.
Yeah.
They couldn't even be botheredto look at Wikipedia.
Yeah.
Did you laugh at this woman's house?
Yeah.
But it was also veryuncomfortable in the way we talked
last week about Peoplesneaking around.
(24:48):
The old film idea of like, I'mgonna break into this person's house
and oh, I'm gonna still bethere when they come and I have to
hide in the closet.
That's my.
I hate that.
I hate watching that.
Yeah, it makes me anxious andthis whole scene felt like that.
I laughed though, Frank.
It was funny.
What's the line?
When Rick finally comes, comesback to Frank and the actress.
(25:09):
He says they're watching thisreally 1991 video.
And he's like, oh, she's great.
It's like Pippin.
But yeah, you're right.
Those scenes were justnaturally tensed and mixed, which
is fun way.
You know, like we saidearlier, sometimes you want your
entertainment to be entertaining.
And it is fun watching thesetwo guys try to come up with variations
(25:32):
of lies to make sure theydon't get kicked out too early.
Well, it was a little tough to watch.
Watch the relapse happenthough, after you've.
You've heard, you know, the.
The monologue is so praised asbeing an authentic representation
of hitting rock bottom andseeking again some form of enlightenment.
(25:52):
Some doing the work.
Obviously people move forwardand back in real life.
But he was such a.
Alternative to the, you know,five star resort version of that
that had been shown other withother folks in the show.
Yeah.
If you're gonna make acomplaint, there is a slight imbalance
(26:12):
in how that was played.
It was played a little bitmore for laughs than intensity of
this is how desperate he feelsright now.
It's just a little too funnymaybe for some, but I'm okay with
that.
I don't know.
I felt the weight of it.
I mean, it was funny.
Yeah, absolutely.
It was funny that what theywere trying to.
(26:35):
Them stumbling to try to talktheir way out of it was funny.
But the, the underlyingsadness was definitely there.
And they drive that homethrough the rest of the episode.
Yeah.
You know, when they leave andkind of go off into the night and
say, all right, let's have oneand I'll be a good guy tomorrow.
Yeah, I can start over tomorrow.
Yeah.
How many times have we allsaid that about something?
(26:57):
Rick doesn't kill Jim.
He does pull the gun, tellshim who he is, flips his chair over.
Because the episode ends withthis shot of Rick looking satisfied
over the party scene he andFrank are indulging in.
It did make me consider thathis look wasn't of satisfaction,
that it might be moreambiguous than that.
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How did you read that shot ofRick sitting on a couch watching
everybody party?
That was A tough one for me.
I don't think we.
When we were going to have ananswer this week, my immediate thought
was, you have.
He has.
Chelsea, who's so committed tohim, making all of her decisions
about him are based on.
(27:41):
On him, trying to call him,genuinely cares about him.
And this is a grown man wellinto adulthood who is still completely
defined by, you know, he'swilling to sacrifice all of that
with her to get back at somechildhood trauma.
You know, and obviously thoserun deep.
But they run very deep.
To me, it just.
(28:02):
It showed the levels of hisself interest and selfishness and
I don't know how to read.
I don't think we're supposedto know what happened with maybe
his father, you know, at leastthe man that he went to kill.
Maybe that fall, that was apretty decrepit old man.
That fall could have beenpretty bad.
Could have hurt Scott Glenn.
(28:22):
His character, Jim.
Yeah, we don't know if he'ssitting there at the end, goggins
in certain level ofsatisfaction, and he's not going
to participate in this and hejust wants to get back to.
To Chelsea or he's about to.
Could have been the look of aman on the high dive about to.
About to jump.
I think the first and obviousresponse is to say, okay, he's found
(28:45):
a little contentment in justat least encountering this guy.
And everyone online, everyoneyou talk to has concluded that Jim
is Rick's actual dad.
The scene does play like that.
If you want to watch ScottGlenn's expressions when he hears
Rick.
Rick's mom's name.
Y.
I mean, he did know her.
You got to think.
(29:05):
And plus, if you think thatRick's found contentment, he would
get around to answeringChelsea's phone calls right around
then.
You'd see him.
Maybe, you know, the screenwould go.
I mean, your screen stillshows him, but the partying music
would be too loud and you justsee him answer the phone or something,
and that's your final shot.
But it wasn't.
Well, not only has he ignoredsomeone who cares about him, he's
(29:28):
now put her in prettyconsiderable danger because it's
not like they don't know thathe's staying at the White Lotus.
Like, this guy comes intotheir house and assaults them.
He still has his bags and hisgirlfriend at a room at a resort
that they own.
Yeah, they could get her.
Instead.
Chelsea's at Gary shindigmostly, and she has to deal with
(29:48):
Saxon hitting on her again.
It was, you know, it'squestionable that she even allowed
Saxon back to her place.
But she also admits that she'sreally into healing people, helping
people.
That's specifically rigged.
It's not the money for her.
It's fixing Rick.
A kind of sad statement.
She brings Saxon in and heturns the interaction into a situation
(30:14):
to really go for it.
Between.
Between the two, I found thata little.
I don't think earlier seasonChelsea would have done that.
She would not have brought himinto a room alone.
And I don't think earlierseason Saxon would have reacted the
way that he.
Did, sort of accepting mostlythe guy.
(30:34):
That he's painted to be forthe first few episodes before the
cracks start to show.
I don't think he's a guy wholeaves that room that easily and
certainly doesn't leave withthe books about spiritual enlightenment
that she gives him.
He did gather the books up.
Well, she loaded him down.
Yeah.
Some people think maybe shewas frightened of that she felt some
(30:57):
sort of connection to him andthat that was part of the get out.
It wasn't just like, oh, ofcourse, that's why you're here.
Get out.
It was, you know, for thefirst time, she's maybe sensing something
there and it could be what you're.
What you're talking about oflike, here's another broken person
who.
Yeah, but this one, you know,I've seen other things that maybe
the real reveal is going to bethat the other two kids come back
(31:18):
from the monastery and Saxonis the one who either stays there
or has some genuine enlightenment.
Certainly be different thanwhat you're expecting.
I think that that would beearned at this point in the season.
Yeah, I do too.
I don't disagree.
Not what you would expectafter episode one, of course.
I'm really glad the Russiansdidn't end up being harmful to the
three girlfriends there on vacation.
(31:39):
Came close.
Well, bro definitely hit upLaurie for money in any app she has
available.
That rundown of apps was.
It was good stuff, I thought.
Good.
That was the most frighteningscene of the season so far.
You thought it was going to bea little danger.
Yeah, I think that there wasdanger involved if, you know, spurn
girlfriend doesn't show upthere and breaks that.
(32:01):
I think that maybe she is in abit of trouble.
Could be.
She's also.
They're kind of showing howfor all the money that these people
have amassed in their life,they're not street smart enough to
like, talk themselves out ofsituations like that generally.
Yeah.
Obviously, before Laurie hasto climb out the window and she gets
(32:21):
slapped by Alexis Girlfriend,I think, is his name.
All right, I got the.
I've saved the big question tothe back end of our discussion.
Huge.
Are we gonna see justice for Fabian?
Is he gonna get his return tostage and perform in full his piano
slash German song?
(32:43):
When you.
We're still in the business ofplaying shows.
Did you ever have one on the books?
And as you got closer to aweek of.
You find out, well, there'sthis thing going on in Birmingham.
There's this show.
All right.
That's like half the audienceis going to go to that.
All right.
There's this other thing goingon that's going to take away this
part of the audience.
There's this other thing.
(33:04):
I feel like that's whathappened to our guy here.
Yeah.
A lot of our shows happen that way.
Yeah.
That you were everybody'ssecond choice.
You know, it's gonna be alittle light.
Yeah.
You performance that evening.
You book the show.
You go online a couple dayslater and realize, oh, the Dexa Teens
are playing Tuscaloosa fivedoors down.
That's why they booked me.
(33:24):
Yeah.
I feel Fabian's pain.
Indeed.
And I've also played a showwhere fights have broken out.
I think might have to dig thememories there.
Tim's story, I think it'smaybe at this point, seeping a little
of the air in the room.
He's kind of repeatedlyreturning to this fantasy or dream
of murder or suicide or murder suicide.
(33:47):
Not really doing much else.
You do get Saxon talking tohim, saying, dad, something's up.
I finally figured out thatsomething's up.
I'm a sense that what thehell's going on with work?
Well, when he approached himat the party, when he's talking with.
With Greg Gary, you justwonder, is he going to try to preempt,
get ahead of the story?
(34:07):
Like, if Greg knows somethingabout what happened between the brothers
on the boat, is this.
Is.
Is he about to overplay hishand, reveal information that he
doesn't have to, but insteadit's the conversation you're.
You're talking about there.
Reveal about he and Lachlan's experience.
Yeah.
In bonding.
Because everybody thinks the brother.
(34:28):
I'm going to put a euphemism.
Well, everybody thinks thatthere's cameras all over the boat.
Right.
And that he'll be able toblackmail them somehow.
He.
He took a stab via his girlfriend.
Don't you want to bang mygirlfriend and let me just sit in
a chair?
Chill out.
Yet again, every week, youthink there's no way that the Chelsea
(34:50):
can one up her just watching ascene, play out her expressions and
then here she is.
What does she say?
Oh, every little boy's dreamor something like that.
Amy Lou Wood's fantastic atreaction shots.
There's no doubt about it.
She's great.
Going back to Tim, the factthat he.
In a season that we can say isabout like spirituality in some way
(35:12):
seeking enlightenment,whatever it is.
Here's a guy that like keepsrunning into, if not solutions, then
some sort of balm for themassive problems that he has.
You know, whether it's thetalk with the monk that seemed to
actually affect him in some way.
And no matter what, he can't.
You talked about the suicideor violent thoughts kind of, you
(35:35):
know, maybe they'reoverplaying that a little bit, but
it's like he clears his headand then they come back.
He can't shake them.
And I think when you view himthat way, if you only watched his
story, it would be strikinghow, how much he's haunted by this
idea.
I feel as though they maybecould have dug around a little bit
more to try to find one moreway to present that.
(35:58):
Keep feeling like, okay, I got this.
It's okay, you don't have toshow me.
Did you like that?
He is at a place that's sodesperate that he's having all of
those thoughts when they saywe have to go to this dinner party
like a good upper class gentleman.
He just put on a shirt and goton with it.
That was kind of funny.
It took a couple pills.
(36:18):
I was gonna say, not without acouple of Lorazipams.
Here's a.
Should have put this in thefactoid non spoiler.
But UAB is hosting a talkslash performance.
I couldn't tell by the posterof Napoleon Dynamite with John Heder,
John Grease, Uncle Rico andthe young man who played Pedro.
(36:43):
And I was just thinking whenthey booked this, obviously John
Grease had.
Has been on HBO with seasonone and two of the White Lottery.
But did they know they weregoing to have the big bad, such a
commanding presence as he'snow become when they booked this?
Curious to know.
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Speaking of, what do you thinkof old Belinda?
I would have had to take thatmoney, man.
I mean, you don't knowanything other than where he is.
Just take the money.
I would have probably uppedthe ante to about 200.
Okay, I need a little more on.
You're in a palatial estate.
You know what his dead wifewas worth, roughly?
(37:26):
This is she.
He's throwing pennies at her pennies.
That was a weak offer, man.
It should have been a 500K.
Oh, yeah.
@ least you start thebargaining there.
Willing to go up to a mill forsure meal.
Seems like he wouldn't do.
But, I mean, if I'm.
Belinda, I'm saying you've gota great point, but I really do think
Tanya would have wanted me tohave $700,000.
(37:50):
It just makes it a lot more convincing.
Yeah, well, maybe that's the point.
Like he was just gonna throw,like you said, pennies at her to
get rid of her.
But the other alternative, Ithink we discussed this last week,
is what if.
What if he really didn't do anything?
I told you, man, he's just a.
He's a decent guy.
He's got a heart of gold.
(38:10):
And he.
He sat and thought, man,$100,000 for this woman, that would
go a long way to starting her business.
And I think that would bereally helpful.
And it's not hush money at all.
She needs it.
Tanya would have wanted it.
I do appreciate her son havingthe full plate of food and being
like, do we really have toleave right now?
I mean, let.
Let the guy eat.
Just some good college guyenergy there.
(38:30):
As for a to go plate.
Yeah, this is free.
And you're going to make meput it down.
That's.
That would really present themand their strata of class if he would
have said, okay, well, justlet me get a to go plate.
Yeah, Nothing wrong with a togo plate.
No, not at all.
I won't bother speculating.
(38:51):
We're only hours away from thefinale where we are.
Everyone would have watchedwhen this episode of our podcast
released on Tuesday.
It does feel silly.
Did you leave this penultimateepisode with the feeling of any one
person being in more dangerthan the others?
No, not this time.
I did not.
And you.
You know, people.
(39:11):
The easy one is to say Belindais in imminent danger.
That she's a little.
She's already got a streak ofbad luck and is not playing this
real street smart.
She's in danger.
Chelsea's kind of a sittingduck because her partner boyfriend
has.
She's.
Her mentioning of.
Things happen in threes.
Bad things.
(39:32):
Yep.
I don't think Mike Wyatt hasit in him to kill Belinda.
I have a feeling he likes thatcharacter a lot.
And I mean, the only one thatwe know is safe through the initial
action is her son is Zion.
That's correct.
I think it's a really goodseason so far.
I still think that.
I think that it improved and Ithink that there are a few slightly
(39:55):
things that could have beendone better.
I mentioned them here, butit's nothing that's detrimental.
It just ended up being a different.
Some of the things that Ithink coming in.
You just said it.
You know, I don't think MikeWhite would do this.
This is not that kind of show.
You know, things like thatwere said.
And now this has turned into aseason with both very violent stakes,
(40:15):
high stakes and big questions.
You know, not that the otherones didn't ask big questions, but
they were maybe presented in aless direct way where this is very
much about spirituality andbelief and the, like, a framework.
For l, you know, deeperquestions this season.
And I'm always a fan of thatkind of thing.
(40:36):
And the intentionality ofthis, of this series has made it
really great.
I'm excited to watch thisfinality soon.
Finale soon.
With some finality.
With some finality.
And season four is going to befilmed in Gary, Indiana.
That's what I saw.
That was a great click hole.
Not only that, but that wouldbe stupendous if it was like Omaha,
(40:59):
Nebraska.
They already rented out theBest Western.
You can't get a refund on that.
No, they bought it, right?
They bought it.
It'd probably be cheaper, huh?
It's funny little.
They're there for months.
Click.
Hope a clickhole post onInstagram is what we're referencing.
You may have seen it.
Well, speaking of shows thatask tough questions, Donovan and
I will be back this veryThursday, not that long.
(41:21):
Where he announced we'll talkabout the Netflix series adolescence.
It's.
We'll just do that in full.
It needs a podcast of its own.
Podcast episode of its own.
Hey, if you have it in you, welike a little help with donations
and keeping things going.
You can head tothealabamatate.com click on donations
or just click in the show notes.
(41:41):
We post it there as well.
If you're in your podcast player.
Should be easy if you do so.
Thank you very, very much forAdam and Donovan.
I'm Blaine, and I hope youmake peace with the man who has disturbed
your family dynamic a bit.
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