June 10, 2025 • 28 mins
Daniel Goddard, CEO of the AI networking app, Dysko and an actor with over 30 years of experience examines the parallels between entertainment and entrepreneurship, recounts the crazy reaction when daytime TV messed with his fan base, pinpoints the business that oversees ALL business, recalls disappointing a date in bed (for a really noble reason), and shares his first-of-its-kind product and the lesson he learned from it, and how his new app is coming to the rescue at universities and conventions across the country.
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Stephanie Maas (00:00):
Well it is super nice to meet you.
Daniel Goddard (00:05):
It's lovely to meet you. It's lovely to meet
you.
Stephanie Maas (00:09):
I know your background, and what I kind of
want to focus on, that I thinkis really interesting and neat,
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is how you went from this careerand background that was very
much in the entertainment sideof business, and now you're in
this entrepreneurial side.
Daniel Goddard (00:49):
Life is a sequence of experiences that are
basically sort of aextrapolation of transitions
from the time you're born.Everything's a transition. What
happens is we go on a path. Wemake decisions when we're young.
We think this is what makes ushappy, or we do what we think
will make us our parents happy.In my situation, I ended up
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going to universities studyBusiness and Economics in
Australia and Sydney. I had sixmonths left on my degree, and I
dropped out. I dropped outbecause I'd reached a place in
my life where I realized thatyou get one life. If you're not
making yourself happy, what isthe life you're living? So to
the great detriment of my fatherin particular, who was a man who
grew up very poor, didn't have acollege degree, he's I want my
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son to have everything I neverhad. I dropped out, and I
actually decided to pivot intoacting. I'd always dabbled in it
as a kid with school plays, etc,my mom was more encouraging
because she understood in herlife she wanted to do law, but
she couldn't do it because herparents couldn't afford to
support her, so she had to do adegree, which is basically a
Bachelor of Arts, which allowedher to work part time and go to
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school part time, but law was afull time degree. So I think my
mother was more sympathetic tothe understanding of you have
dreams and ambitions in life andthings like that kind of
supersede, you know,expectations. It was a big deal.
But I think what happens as youmove forward and you you take on
the path of hopefully choosingwhere you think you're meant to
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be, you understand thateverything is business. It
doesn't matter whether you're amodel, an actor, an
entrepreneur, whatever,everything follows the path of
expectations, in a sense thatbehaviors you do determine your
outcome and your success. So ifyou want to be a model or an
actor, you have to be a businessperson first. You can't just
say, I look a certain way, or Ibelieve I've got this role now,
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therefore I can be a dramaqueen. So for me, the hardest
shift I had was moving fromacting into entrepreneurial
side, where I was no longerperceived as a person who was an
actor and I was now perceived asa business person. Took five
years, basically, to start beingtaken seriously, but all of it
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is part of the journey of life,as long as you follow a certain
set of paradigms, which is,always be objective, always be
gracious, always be respectful,and work your butt off as hard
as you can, I think thosetransitions can be easier, but
They'll never be completelywithout pain. You look at anyone
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who succeed in anything in life,pain is what makes you stronger.
Pain is what makes you moresuccessful. Because anyone who
lives in a space of pleasure,comfort never grows.
Stephanie Maas (03:33):
I love the way that you liken business to
everything. And I would imagine,again, coming from this
entertainment side of the housethat had to set you up for
tremendous success, knowing,hey, again, you have to have
talent. You've got to haveskill, but approaching it with a
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business mindset that alone setsyou apart from your competition,
your peers, so forth and so on,and then also the rejection you
had to face. But how did thosehelp you set you apart?
Daniel Goddard (04:08):
Sure, I think the first thing that we have to
have in all aspects of our life,no matter what we do, is there's
never a sense of entitlementrejection. It permeates every
aspect of our life, from thetime we're little, whether we go
to kindergarten the first day wewant to be friends with someone,
and they ignore us and theylaugh at us, we're rejected.
Moving that through our teenageyears, into our first career
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journey, there's always going tobe rejection that said in acting
and modeling, for the rejectionis greater, I think, than most
others, because you're beingobjectified. It's got nothing to
do with your internal block,your internal characteristics,
although you could argue, youknow, there are some people that
have that they had that itfactor that's an internal thing,
that's not an external thing.That's endogenous, not
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exogenous. You'll findgenerally, it's the person who
had has more substance. Youknow, they went through a harder
childhood. They went through.Harder obstacle, or whatever it
was that builds character. Whenit comes to acting, it's a
different kettle of fish,because it's not just how you
look. I've had auditions in thepast where I'd say the character
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breakdown, you really go, it'sme, looks like me, sounds like
me. So you think all you need todo now is get the dialog right,
and then you'll see who theycast. And they cast someone
looks nothing like it. Andyou'll think, what happened? I
don't understand it. It's me. Itmust be me. There's something
wrong with me, but it's not. Themore you do it, the more you
start to start to understand isthat the people in positions of
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power, I would say, eight timesout of 10, have no idea what
they want until it walks in theroom. They just don't know,
because you're dealing with toomany X factors. Of you don't
know where styles and trends aregoing. You don't know what the
audience wants. So generally,you're just kind of like, you
know, throwing stuff at thewalls to see what sticks. You'll
see so many artists who will getreleased, and then they don't
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get a fan base, and then everynow and then, you'll get a few
that break out. And generallythey're the ones that don't,
don't conform to the ideology ofthis is what you're meant to be
when you stepped into that role,and they make it their own. Like
my soap career, I did like 1100episodes or so when I first
started that the character was ablank slate, and you had writers
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writing a character that theythought was going to be this
character over here, I read thatcharacter and I interpret to be
a character that's going to beover here. I can't go in the
room and say, Hey guys, I've gotan idea it should be like this,
like I could never write a soapopera. I can never produce that
amount of content. But what Ican do is take the content I'm
given and interpret it in a waythat I believe will make that
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content and myself mesh in a waythat I believe it can be
delivered to an audience thatwill make them have a more
entertaining experience. It'slike being a bull in a china
shop, but not breaking theChina, but letting them know
that there is somethingdifferent about you that makes
you interesting to see. Oh, myGod, he's going to break the
China all of a sudden. No, hedidn't, because you're a
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professional. And I think if youtally all these things up, you
end up forging your own career.And once you do that, then it's
another fine line between notletting it go to your head and
thinking you now have the power,because you never have the
power. So you have to, at alltimes, be grateful for what you
have. You can never outshine themaster. You can never bite the
hand that feeds you. It's adance. You will never be leading
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the dance. As an entertainer, asan entrepreneur, you have the
capacity to lead the dance.
Stephanie Maas (07:28):
So when did it stop being so personal, and when
did that business mindset comethrough to say, Hey, this is
business. I got to learn to playthe game. I got to learn to
dance the dance, and walk thatfine line.
Daniel Goddard (07:41):
It probably happened around my character on
young and the restless in 2011was killed off by the head
writer, and I couldn'tunderstand it at this point in
my life. I was a business personfirst, and to me, everything was
good business. It's either goodbusiness or it's bad business.
And the head writer at the timedecided they wanted to kill off
my character because mycharacter was popular, and they
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thought it'd be this big storymoment, it would be a burst in
the ratings and whatever. I wascompletely gobsmacked, because
they went against the grain ofwhat I believe to be true. If
you are an executive and youwork for a multi billion dollar
company, you have the bestinterest of that company, which
means that you want to make thatcompany as much money as
possible. I'd always kind ofthought that I was in the hands
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of people that knew what theywere doing. So when I was killed
off, I went they don't know whatthey're doing because the fans
instantly went ballistic. Theyrented an airplane, flew it
above CBS, where the bannersaying, Bring Daniel Goddard
back as Kane. So at that point,I got a call from Sony, and the
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head writer ended up beingfired, not because of me, but
just it was a combination ofmoments that took place. So I
think for me at that point, itwas concreted in my mind that
you can have multi tieredbusinesses, but at the end of
the day, the business thatoversees all the business
generally, has one thing onmind, which is the stock price
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the shareholder respect andvalue for that company. So as
long as you stay within yourlane, and you keep your head
down, hopefully the incompetencealong the way that tries to
derail you will be corrected bythe system, because the system
will always want to drivetowards, you know, economic
success. So does that mean Iwas, I was killed off in the
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first time around, because Ithought I could reinvent the
wheel and change things and movethe character in the direction I
wanted. Possibly. Was it becauseit was a successful character,
and they thought that it, bykilling me off, would push the
ratings up for a certain amountof time, and advertising for
that period would do well,possibly. But for me, it was
just a learning curve where Ireally just saw with just
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clarity, the way the machineoperates and the way that we are
just cogs in the machine. Andonce you accept it, it's not
personal, then you can put thatto rest, and then say, how do I
be the most efficient cog in themachine? And then the next
question is. Is, if this machineis not as efficient as I choose,
or would want to be part of, howdo I either create the machine
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or become part of the machinethat is going to be the
efficient machine that I can bethat cog in.
Stephanie Maas (10:12):
Super powerful. So let's take that. What got you
to the point, and what was theprocess of you saying, Okay, I
now want to lead the dance?
Daniel Goddard (10:20):
I've always been an entrepreneur at heart,
because to me, acting was notsome form of, like, emotional
escape or some form of deepseeking process where I had to
discover myself. I mean, I didall that work. I've read all the
books. Greatest book everwritten, though, by the way, is
augmentino, the greatestsalesman, the salesman in the
world. I'll tell you about thatbook. I was reading that book,
and to read it properly. Ittakes like 200 something days,
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because, you know, you have toread every scrolling, new to
night, right? I just met a newgirl. We had ended up after this
date going back to her place.Very first time she makes
dinner, we have dinner, we getinto bed. I didn't have the book
with me, and I basically said toher, I said, Listen, I'm sorry.
I gotta go. I gotta go. Ithought to myself, I'm going to
explain why I have to go,because I don't want to give her
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anything. I don't want to giveher a complex going, well, I did
all this. I did all that. We hadsuch a great time. I made this
what I do wrong? I thought, youneed to know why. And I said,
here's why I got to go. It's abook. You have to read it three
times a day. I don't have itwith me. I have to go and read
the book. I was fortunate enoughto have her go. I totally
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understand that. I respect that.That was great. I think being an
entrepreneur allowed me to havemore control over the business
process. But once again, you'redealing with rejection in 2021 I
created a product called SeePay.SeePay was the world's first
visual payment system.Basically, you hold up your
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phone, I can look at you throughmy camera, and then, if you have
SeePay, right above where you'restanding, an avatar appears on
the phone. Generally, you useyour face, because the goal is
to correlate the avatar to theperson. You would touch the
avatar. And then I could sendyou money. So I could send you
money with Apple, Pay, Google,pay, direct deposit, credit
card, whatever. Soft launchedMarch 2021, now I thought, I've
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now created technology. It'snever been done. Everyone's
using Venmo. Everyone's usingcash app. The biggest problem I
had with payments is, I wouldsay, for example, you know, meet
you Stephanie, and your lastname is spell M, double A S,
right? Let's say, for example, Ithought it was m, a s, s, or I'm
typing it in, I type, I spell itwrong. Send the money the wrong,
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Stephanie Maas, and I can't getthe money back. So I'm like,
I've created a system now whereI can hold up my phone, see you
pay you, I know you get themoney. There's no error. I built
it, launched it within threeweeks. It did $80,000 in
transactions. Didn't put a centor a second into marketing. So I
want to be purely organic. And Iget this meeting with this mega
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investor, one of the people thatbasically was early into Google.
The guy in the room says to me,after I did the pitch I showed
in the product, we demoed it. Sowhy would someone use it? And
the first thing I thought was,am I being tested? So I'm
thinking, How do you respond tothat in a way where you pass the
test, you don't seem conceited,you don't seem obnoxious or
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condescending or any of thesethings, and because no one wants
to work with someone like that.So I said to the guy, that's a
great question. I said, Do youuse Venmo? He goes, Yeah, I use
Venmo every day. I said, Okay,let's, let's pretend right now
we're going back in time 10years, and I'm walking in right
now, and I'm not, I'm notshowing you SeePay. I'm showing
you Venmo. What are you usingbefore Venmo to transfer money,
Ach, direct deposit, debittransactions, right? I've
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created this peer to peerpayment app where I can enter
your name just send you money.What would you say? Didn't he
didn't really say anything. Dayslike, Okay, I said, See, we
know, based upon what I pitchedyou, that if you travel forward
in time 10 years, that you wouldbe using it. He thought about
it, and then he said to me, butwhy would anybody use SeePay
when they can use Venmo? And atthat point, I realized it wasn't
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a test. It's like a boxer, andthey fight their way out of the
streets, and they get to thetop, and next thing you know,
they got the money. They got thecars. They never have to worry
about money again. They eat thelobster every day. They don't do
the training. They lose theirtitle, and that's what happens
to entrepreneurs, they lose thathunger and that drive and that
entrepreneurial spirit. And Irealized at that point, this is
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almost the same thing asentertainment, where you're
dealing with people that justbecause they've sold the
company, just because they havethe position, that doesn't mean
they know what they're talkingabout. So how do you overcome
that rejection? And that's whenyou have to say to yourself,
what is it I want in life? Do Iwant to be the happy guy that
sits on a farm somewhere andjust just enjoys his day and one
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day that's my life? Or do youwant to be the person that's
prepared to say, Okay, now Iunderstand the rules of
engagement. Let's play youstill. Can't control the
machine. You still can't dictatewhat machines going to purchase,
but what you can do is weatherthe storm and commit to
something because at the end ofthe day, that's who you are, and
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that's all you want to do. Soyou have to find a way to push
forward through the through thestorm. But that, to me, was a
phenomenal learning curve. So itjust turned out that that was
not the guy, that was not thetime, and it allowed me then to
start to move to otherentrepreneurial endeavors, which
I believe now is the time forthose to come into fruition.
Stephanie Maas (15:34):
Wow.
Daniel Goddard (15:35):
So I ended up launching in 2020 a digital
marketing company. It's calledunder the in short for under the
influence, I took myunderstanding of branding and
everything is a brand. You're abrand. Young and the Restless is
a brand. Anything that isconsumed is a brand. I think the
difficult thing for socialmedia. Social media has made
everybody think it's easy to bea brand. It's like everyone on
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Instagram is a model. No, you'renot. The number one thing you
have to do is remove subjectivedelusion from your mindset. I
went into marketing, and myfirst client was a girl who had
a home fitness workout, and shesaid, I want to kind of launch
my thing, and I don't know whatto do. And I said to me, tell me
what it is you do. Tell me whatyou do. She goes, Well, I go to
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people's backyards and we doworkouts. I said, So what's the
workout? Who's your demographic?Well, it's predominantly women
with young kids who want to getback in shape, and they want to
go like, you know, get tight,and they want to do this, and
they want to have, like, cutebutts. I said, Okay, so it's
backyard booty club. Backyardbooty club. So next thing, you
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know, I go, I film all herstuff, I cut it together. I'm
just doing this myself at thistime, creating her social doing
this. And then from there Iwent, Okay, that made sense.
It's got to first of all, havean interesting sort of Title, an
interesting brand. Then it's gotto have a message that makes me
want to check it out. Then it'sgot to have a product that I
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think is actually has somesubstance or has some value to
it. So we moved through a bunchof different brands, created a
bunch of different brands,launched the brands. They do
well, get more clients, etc. AndI realized I'm decent at this.
My business partner and I got tothis point where we talk about
how when we were doing so, whenI was doing soap opera, you
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would go to fan events. So yougo to appearances or
conventions, and you would meetall these people that would say
they're getting lined to do aphoto in a meet and greet, and
you'd sign autograph and have achat and take a photo. And the
amount of people that I met thatsaid the girl I'm with, or the
guy I'm with, or the group ofgirls, or whatever it was, would
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say, because of your characterand your show. We met, we have
things to talk about. We talkabout this, we talk about that,
and I we never knew how much wehad in common once we started
talking we love the same teens,the same movies, the same
hobbies. So it got me thinking,How many people do we walk by
every day that we just pass thathave so much in common with us
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that we would never know. We'dnever know there must be someone
right now on the other side ofthe planet, whether it be in
Finland, Tokyo, Botswana, itdoesn't matter that has the same
things in common that I do. SoI'm like, how do you find those
people? And then how do youstreamline the process so that
you can universally pass it outto people, so that people no
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longer have to be a strangeragain, we came up with the idea
of Dysko, and Dysko basically iswhere my heart and soul lies at
the moment. And Dysko is an AInetworking application. It
allows people to create aprofile, choose from 100 social
tags that are preset and 100work tags. You can also add your
own tags if you want, butgenerally we have it like 100
every job, every occupation,every hobby, whatever you
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choose. Just click, click,click, click, click, click,
click. You make your profile.Then when you walk out of the
house and walk around, you canset your radius to be half a
mile, point two mile, up to 10miles, if anyone enters that geo
fence radius. As you walk, itfollows you around. You match.
The app notifies you thatperson's in your area. It'll say
you have say 10 tags in common,five tags in common, 20 tags in
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common. You then see theperson's profile. You see the
tags you have in common. Youtack the tags that you want to
talk that person about and sendan AI message. And the AI
message will be an icebreakerfor Hey, we're in this
proximity. We have all thesethings in common. It's good to
meet you. So it initially beganin the idea with the idea of
bringing just strangerstogether, but then we started
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approaching universities,because I have a son in college
at the moment. I have anotherson who's 16, and one of the
things that we notice is thatkids are leaving going to
colleges, and the first year ishell. They don't know anybody
they they are struggling to getthis social life kicked off and
going, which they've heard aboutin the college experience. But
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they've got to get their grades,whatever. So I'm like, they
must, I say them all the time.There must be kids walking
around that have the same thingin common with you. He goes,
Dad, you don't understand. Youcan't even go up to them and
like, they're in a group and putyour head in be like, Hey guys,
what are you talking about?There's look at you and you
realize these kids have lostthat in place, in person, skill
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set that we had going to school.And they hide behind their phone
and their screen. And so I'mlike, how do we create this
technology that make the humanexperience greater. And then we
went to these colleges, fromSyracuse to Kentucky University
to Southern University, and wepitched them. We would say them,
what are you finding? Is themost prominent obstacle that new
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students are facing? And they'lltell you, well, they don't find
friends easily. They don'tcommunicate with their
professors correctly. Then Okay,so what if I told you that we
have a piece of technology thatcan help a student and faculty
streamline the way that theyconnect about things that
actually need to connect about.Now I'm listening. Southern
University was reallyinteresting because it's an HBCU
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school. It's the largest one inthe country, and Southern
University said to us, thebiggest problem we have is that
a lot of the kids who come herecome from very small, rural
towns. It's not that they don'tmake friends easily. They have
this culture shock, and whenthey get to the big city in the
school, they shut down, and mostof them shut down to the point
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where their grades start to fallapart, and then they drop out.
We said, Okay, so here's oursolution. Disco will allow a
kid, before he gets to college,on the very first day, to place
his Dysko profile at the school.We call it Dysko billboards. So
you can place your profile oncampus. Every kid can do it. So
let's say I know I'm going to goto that school in September, and
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we're now in June, I can justplace it there, and every kid
who's going to go to that schoolcan instantly start connecting
with other kids before they getthere, make friends. So on day
one, they've already got theirfriends. The professors can put
their profile as a Dyskobillboard there and use all the
hashtags of what they'restarting. It could be like, you
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know, Professor Smith's econ101, class. It doesn't matter.
So you know, if I'm going to goin these classes here, all the
tags that I should be following,you can then streamline the
whole process, create studygroups, but if anything, then
the first day you walk oncampus, I can look around me and
see all the people that matchwith me. And as a dad with kids
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going through this, this meant alot to me, but then to hear from
the colleges that this willchange the college experience
with the kids. We knew we wereon the right path. The next
thing we're going, Okay, how doyou use it for a business
application? So we pitched HPEHewlett Packard enterprises, and
they said to us that conventionspaces for them took, say, 120
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people to fly there, you know,the carbon footprint and all the
sustainability stuff. Butoutside of that, they would go
there and say, we have a list of10 deals we want to try and
close. If we have one of thesemeetings set up where we think
post convention, we can closeit. It's successful. And we
said, so here's what ourtechnology does. Anyone can be
anywhere in the world and attenda convention without having to
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be there. So you place yourprofile there, you have all the
hashtags that define you. So nowyou don't have to go to the
convention. I could be on thebeach in Hawaii with my kids, or
I can attend 10 conventions in aday. Place my Dysko billboard
profile at any convention Iwant. And when people are either
there walking around in person,we Match AI takes over, or
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everyone can just drop in andstart connecting and doing it
that way. The response to thathas been very, very strong. So
all of the rejection allowed meto start saying I wasn't meant
to do that. I was meant to dothis. And I think as long as
what you're doing has a socialconscious, and the goal is to
create a creative society wherewe grow, as long as you adhere
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to that understanding and yourealize that you're on a path of
creation, and you have a greaterpurpose for that creation that
will basically allow people tohave a greater experience. It'll
bear the fruit. So for me now,Dysko and what it does that's
kind of where my journeys ledme. At the moment, I'm extremely
excited to see where it goesfrom here. Fingers crossed, incredible.
Stephanie Maas (24:02):
Yeah, I've got older kids, and most of my
nieces and nephews are at eithergoing to college or and just
that side of it, thathumanitarian side of it...
Daniel Goddard (24:11):
And think about dating too. Like it's my goal to
put Tinder out of business.Because right now you go on like
I hear, I hear from, ironically,the same girl who did the
fitness one. When I was talkingto her about this, I said she
was single. And I said, So doyou use dating app? She goes,
yeah. I said, which one? Shegoes, all of them. I said, What
do you mean all of them? Shegoes, Well, that's what you do.
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Oh, and I said, So what's thatexperience like? She goes, Well,
you see the same people on everyapp because everyone's doing the
same thing. I said, So what'sthe number one problem? She
goes, you don't find people onthe level of depth you want,
because it's like, I like pets.You like pets. I don't smoke. I
don't smoke. We allow you tohave specificity with who you
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are and what you do. You couldhave hashtag underwater basket
weaving, right? We give you thatspecificity. You could have
hashtag Tom. Brady sucks. TomBrady is the goat. So you can
really narrow it down, so yourealize there is a need for
people to create their ownsystems in order to match and
connect. And we give peoplethat. So I think we have three
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lanes between schools,conventions and dating. And
ironically, we had a had ameeting with a very large VC
company, and they said, You needto stay in one lane. And this
harken back to SeePay. I'm like,oh my god, I can't believe these
people saying this to me. And myresponse to them was, I said, I
absolutely, absolutely agreed. Isaid, What Lane Do you think we
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should be in? And they stoppedbecause I gave them three
scenarios, yeah. And they go theconvention space. I said, You
know what? I said, I completelyunderstand why you said that.
But let me ask you thisquestion, if we launched the app
and people who are notconvention space, people start
using it, and people start usingit for dating, would you mind
then if we became a two lanecompany, not just a one lane
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company, and they said, Yeah,you can do that. So once again,
they don't know, theaters, goingpast experience states, the man
who chases two rabbits catchesneither.
Stephanie Maas (26:05):
Yes.
Daniel Goddard (26:06):
And that's what their point is. You can't be
like, Oh, we're over here. Oh,we're over here. So I'm like,
No, we're very focused on onelane. But when you drive along
in a highway and it's two lanes,and it opens up to four, you're
allowed to change lanes. Youdon't have to stay in the two
you're in. And they got that. SoI think, if anything, it's more
of a test to see if you're goingto, like, go off the deep end
and, like, start like, chasingrabbits, or you're going to stay
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focused,
Stephanie Maas (26:29):
Super cool. Can't wait to see that launch.
You've been so generous withyour time.
Daniel Goddard (26:34):
I just I appreciate your time very much,
and I appreciate your listenerslistening. For me, I just
reached that point where I sortof found peace in so many
different aspects of my life,where before it was just
turmoil. And I would just wantlisteners to who are out of
crossroads in their life, oreven if they haven't reached a
crossroad, they're in the big,open wide parking lot, and they
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don't know what direction to getout of the parking lot. You
know, just to realize that aslong as you have a passion, it
doesn't matter if it's repairingold shoes or or trimming the
roses in a garden, as long asyou have a passion for
something, you're so far infront of everybody else, because
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most people are just automatonswho are just like just
robotically grinding their waythrough life up until they die,
and the goal in life is to domore than that.
Stephanie Maas (27:29):
That is awesome. Thank you so much.
Daniel Goddard (27:31):
My pleasure, Steph, take care. Love to talk
to you. I wish you all the best.
Well it is super nice to meet you.
Daniel Goddard (00:05):
It's lovely to meet you. It's lovely to meet
you.
Stephanie Maas (00:09):
I know your background, and what I kind of
want to focus on, that I thinkis really interesting and neat,
(00:36):
is how you went from this careerand background that was very
much in the entertainment sideof business, and now you're in
this entrepreneurial side.
Daniel Goddard (00:49):
Life is a sequence of experiences that are
basically sort of aextrapolation of transitions
from the time you're born.Everything's a transition. What
happens is we go on a path. Wemake decisions when we're young.
We think this is what makes ushappy, or we do what we think
will make us our parents happy.In my situation, I ended up
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going to universities studyBusiness and Economics in
Australia and Sydney. I had sixmonths left on my degree, and I
dropped out. I dropped outbecause I'd reached a place in
my life where I realized thatyou get one life. If you're not
making yourself happy, what isthe life you're living? So to
the great detriment of my fatherin particular, who was a man who
grew up very poor, didn't have acollege degree, he's I want my
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son to have everything I neverhad. I dropped out, and I
actually decided to pivot intoacting. I'd always dabbled in it
as a kid with school plays, etc,my mom was more encouraging
because she understood in herlife she wanted to do law, but
she couldn't do it because herparents couldn't afford to
support her, so she had to do adegree, which is basically a
Bachelor of Arts, which allowedher to work part time and go to
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school part time, but law was afull time degree. So I think my
mother was more sympathetic tothe understanding of you have
dreams and ambitions in life andthings like that kind of
supersede, you know,expectations. It was a big deal.
But I think what happens as youmove forward and you you take on
the path of hopefully choosingwhere you think you're meant to
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be, you understand thateverything is business. It
doesn't matter whether you're amodel, an actor, an
entrepreneur, whatever,everything follows the path of
expectations, in a sense thatbehaviors you do determine your
outcome and your success. So ifyou want to be a model or an
actor, you have to be a businessperson first. You can't just
say, I look a certain way, or Ibelieve I've got this role now,
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therefore I can be a dramaqueen. So for me, the hardest
shift I had was moving fromacting into entrepreneurial
side, where I was no longerperceived as a person who was an
actor and I was now perceived asa business person. Took five
years, basically, to start beingtaken seriously, but all of it
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is part of the journey of life,as long as you follow a certain
set of paradigms, which is,always be objective, always be
gracious, always be respectful,and work your butt off as hard
as you can, I think thosetransitions can be easier, but
They'll never be completelywithout pain. You look at anyone
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who succeed in anything in life,pain is what makes you stronger.
Pain is what makes you moresuccessful. Because anyone who
lives in a space of pleasure,comfort never grows.
Stephanie Maas (03:33):
I love the way that you liken business to
everything. And I would imagine,again, coming from this
entertainment side of the housethat had to set you up for
tremendous success, knowing,hey, again, you have to have
talent. You've got to haveskill, but approaching it with a
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business mindset that alone setsyou apart from your competition,
your peers, so forth and so on,and then also the rejection you
had to face. But how did thosehelp you set you apart?
Daniel Goddard (04:08):
Sure, I think the first thing that we have to
have in all aspects of our life,no matter what we do, is there's
never a sense of entitlementrejection. It permeates every
aspect of our life, from thetime we're little, whether we go
to kindergarten the first day wewant to be friends with someone,
and they ignore us and theylaugh at us, we're rejected.
Moving that through our teenageyears, into our first career
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journey, there's always going tobe rejection that said in acting
and modeling, for the rejectionis greater, I think, than most
others, because you're beingobjectified. It's got nothing to
do with your internal block,your internal characteristics,
although you could argue, youknow, there are some people that
have that they had that itfactor that's an internal thing,
that's not an external thing.That's endogenous, not
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exogenous. You'll findgenerally, it's the person who
had has more substance. Youknow, they went through a harder
childhood. They went through.Harder obstacle, or whatever it
was that builds character. Whenit comes to acting, it's a
different kettle of fish,because it's not just how you
look. I've had auditions in thepast where I'd say the character
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breakdown, you really go, it'sme, looks like me, sounds like
me. So you think all you need todo now is get the dialog right,
and then you'll see who theycast. And they cast someone
looks nothing like it. Andyou'll think, what happened? I
don't understand it. It's me. Itmust be me. There's something
wrong with me, but it's not. Themore you do it, the more you
start to start to understand isthat the people in positions of
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power, I would say, eight timesout of 10, have no idea what
they want until it walks in theroom. They just don't know,
because you're dealing with toomany X factors. Of you don't
know where styles and trends aregoing. You don't know what the
audience wants. So generally,you're just kind of like, you
know, throwing stuff at thewalls to see what sticks. You'll
see so many artists who will getreleased, and then they don't
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get a fan base, and then everynow and then, you'll get a few
that break out. And generallythey're the ones that don't,
don't conform to the ideology ofthis is what you're meant to be
when you stepped into that role,and they make it their own. Like
my soap career, I did like 1100episodes or so when I first
started that the character was ablank slate, and you had writers
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writing a character that theythought was going to be this
character over here, I read thatcharacter and I interpret to be
a character that's going to beover here. I can't go in the
room and say, Hey guys, I've gotan idea it should be like this,
like I could never write a soapopera. I can never produce that
amount of content. But what Ican do is take the content I'm
given and interpret it in a waythat I believe will make that
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content and myself mesh in a waythat I believe it can be
delivered to an audience thatwill make them have a more
entertaining experience. It'slike being a bull in a china
shop, but not breaking theChina, but letting them know
that there is somethingdifferent about you that makes
you interesting to see. Oh, myGod, he's going to break the
China all of a sudden. No, hedidn't, because you're a
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professional. And I think if youtally all these things up, you
end up forging your own career.And once you do that, then it's
another fine line between notletting it go to your head and
thinking you now have the power,because you never have the
power. So you have to, at alltimes, be grateful for what you
have. You can never outshine themaster. You can never bite the
hand that feeds you. It's adance. You will never be leading
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the dance. As an entertainer, asan entrepreneur, you have the
capacity to lead the dance.
Stephanie Maas (07:28):
So when did it stop being so personal, and when
did that business mindset comethrough to say, Hey, this is
business. I got to learn to playthe game. I got to learn to
dance the dance, and walk thatfine line.
Daniel Goddard (07:41):
It probably happened around my character on
young and the restless in 2011was killed off by the head
writer, and I couldn'tunderstand it at this point in
my life. I was a business personfirst, and to me, everything was
good business. It's either goodbusiness or it's bad business.
And the head writer at the timedecided they wanted to kill off
my character because mycharacter was popular, and they
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thought it'd be this big storymoment, it would be a burst in
the ratings and whatever. I wascompletely gobsmacked, because
they went against the grain ofwhat I believe to be true. If
you are an executive and youwork for a multi billion dollar
company, you have the bestinterest of that company, which
means that you want to make thatcompany as much money as
possible. I'd always kind ofthought that I was in the hands
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of people that knew what theywere doing. So when I was killed
off, I went they don't know whatthey're doing because the fans
instantly went ballistic. Theyrented an airplane, flew it
above CBS, where the bannersaying, Bring Daniel Goddard
back as Kane. So at that point,I got a call from Sony, and the
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head writer ended up beingfired, not because of me, but
just it was a combination ofmoments that took place. So I
think for me at that point, itwas concreted in my mind that
you can have multi tieredbusinesses, but at the end of
the day, the business thatoversees all the business
generally, has one thing onmind, which is the stock price
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the shareholder respect andvalue for that company. So as
long as you stay within yourlane, and you keep your head
down, hopefully the incompetencealong the way that tries to
derail you will be corrected bythe system, because the system
will always want to drivetowards, you know, economic
success. So does that mean Iwas, I was killed off in the
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first time around, because Ithought I could reinvent the
wheel and change things and movethe character in the direction I
wanted. Possibly. Was it becauseit was a successful character,
and they thought that it, bykilling me off, would push the
ratings up for a certain amountof time, and advertising for
that period would do well,possibly. But for me, it was
just a learning curve where Ireally just saw with just
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clarity, the way the machineoperates and the way that we are
just cogs in the machine. Andonce you accept it, it's not
personal, then you can put thatto rest, and then say, how do I
be the most efficient cog in themachine? And then the next
question is. Is, if this machineis not as efficient as I choose,
or would want to be part of, howdo I either create the machine
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or become part of the machinethat is going to be the
efficient machine that I can bethat cog in.
Stephanie Maas (10:12):
Super powerful. So let's take that. What got you
to the point, and what was theprocess of you saying, Okay, I
now want to lead the dance?
Daniel Goddard (10:20):
I've always been an entrepreneur at heart,
because to me, acting was notsome form of, like, emotional
escape or some form of deepseeking process where I had to
discover myself. I mean, I didall that work. I've read all the
books. Greatest book everwritten, though, by the way, is
augmentino, the greatestsalesman, the salesman in the
world. I'll tell you about thatbook. I was reading that book,
and to read it properly. Ittakes like 200 something days,
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because, you know, you have toread every scrolling, new to
night, right? I just met a newgirl. We had ended up after this
date going back to her place.Very first time she makes
dinner, we have dinner, we getinto bed. I didn't have the book
with me, and I basically said toher, I said, Listen, I'm sorry.
I gotta go. I gotta go. Ithought to myself, I'm going to
explain why I have to go,because I don't want to give her
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anything. I don't want to giveher a complex going, well, I did
all this. I did all that. We hadsuch a great time. I made this
what I do wrong? I thought, youneed to know why. And I said,
here's why I got to go. It's abook. You have to read it three
times a day. I don't have itwith me. I have to go and read
the book. I was fortunate enoughto have her go. I totally
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understand that. I respect that.That was great. I think being an
entrepreneur allowed me to havemore control over the business
process. But once again, you'redealing with rejection in 2021 I
created a product called SeePay.SeePay was the world's first
visual payment system.Basically, you hold up your
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phone, I can look at you throughmy camera, and then, if you have
SeePay, right above where you'restanding, an avatar appears on
the phone. Generally, you useyour face, because the goal is
to correlate the avatar to theperson. You would touch the
avatar. And then I could sendyou money. So I could send you
money with Apple, Pay, Google,pay, direct deposit, credit
card, whatever. Soft launchedMarch 2021, now I thought, I've
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now created technology. It'snever been done. Everyone's
using Venmo. Everyone's usingcash app. The biggest problem I
had with payments is, I wouldsay, for example, you know, meet
you Stephanie, and your lastname is spell M, double A S,
right? Let's say, for example, Ithought it was m, a s, s, or I'm
typing it in, I type, I spell itwrong. Send the money the wrong,
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Stephanie Maas, and I can't getthe money back. So I'm like,
I've created a system now whereI can hold up my phone, see you
pay you, I know you get themoney. There's no error. I built
it, launched it within threeweeks. It did $80,000 in
transactions. Didn't put a centor a second into marketing. So I
want to be purely organic. And Iget this meeting with this mega
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investor, one of the people thatbasically was early into Google.
The guy in the room says to me,after I did the pitch I showed
in the product, we demoed it. Sowhy would someone use it? And
the first thing I thought was,am I being tested? So I'm
thinking, How do you respond tothat in a way where you pass the
test, you don't seem conceited,you don't seem obnoxious or
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condescending or any of thesethings, and because no one wants
to work with someone like that.So I said to the guy, that's a
great question. I said, Do youuse Venmo? He goes, Yeah, I use
Venmo every day. I said, Okay,let's, let's pretend right now
we're going back in time 10years, and I'm walking in right
now, and I'm not, I'm notshowing you SeePay. I'm showing
you Venmo. What are you usingbefore Venmo to transfer money,
Ach, direct deposit, debittransactions, right? I've
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created this peer to peerpayment app where I can enter
your name just send you money.What would you say? Didn't he
didn't really say anything. Dayslike, Okay, I said, See, we
know, based upon what I pitchedyou, that if you travel forward
in time 10 years, that you wouldbe using it. He thought about
it, and then he said to me, butwhy would anybody use SeePay
when they can use Venmo? And atthat point, I realized it wasn't
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a test. It's like a boxer, andthey fight their way out of the
streets, and they get to thetop, and next thing you know,
they got the money. They got thecars. They never have to worry
about money again. They eat thelobster every day. They don't do
the training. They lose theirtitle, and that's what happens
to entrepreneurs, they lose thathunger and that drive and that
entrepreneurial spirit. And Irealized at that point, this is
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almost the same thing asentertainment, where you're
dealing with people that justbecause they've sold the
company, just because they havethe position, that doesn't mean
they know what they're talkingabout. So how do you overcome
that rejection? And that's whenyou have to say to yourself,
what is it I want in life? Do Iwant to be the happy guy that
sits on a farm somewhere andjust just enjoys his day and one
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day that's my life? Or do youwant to be the person that's
prepared to say, Okay, now Iunderstand the rules of
engagement. Let's play youstill. Can't control the
machine. You still can't dictatewhat machines going to purchase,
but what you can do is weatherthe storm and commit to
something because at the end ofthe day, that's who you are, and
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that's all you want to do. Soyou have to find a way to push
forward through the through thestorm. But that, to me, was a
phenomenal learning curve. So itjust turned out that that was
not the guy, that was not thetime, and it allowed me then to
start to move to otherentrepreneurial endeavors, which
I believe now is the time forthose to come into fruition.
Stephanie Maas (15:34):
Wow.
Daniel Goddard (15:35):
So I ended up launching in 2020 a digital
marketing company. It's calledunder the in short for under the
influence, I took myunderstanding of branding and
everything is a brand. You're abrand. Young and the Restless is
a brand. Anything that isconsumed is a brand. I think the
difficult thing for socialmedia. Social media has made
everybody think it's easy to bea brand. It's like everyone on
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Instagram is a model. No, you'renot. The number one thing you
have to do is remove subjectivedelusion from your mindset. I
went into marketing, and myfirst client was a girl who had
a home fitness workout, and shesaid, I want to kind of launch
my thing, and I don't know whatto do. And I said to me, tell me
what it is you do. Tell me whatyou do. She goes, Well, I go to
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people's backyards and we doworkouts. I said, So what's the
workout? Who's your demographic?Well, it's predominantly women
with young kids who want to getback in shape, and they want to
go like, you know, get tight,and they want to do this, and
they want to have, like, cutebutts. I said, Okay, so it's
backyard booty club. Backyardbooty club. So next thing, you
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know, I go, I film all herstuff, I cut it together. I'm
just doing this myself at thistime, creating her social doing
this. And then from there Iwent, Okay, that made sense.
It's got to first of all, havean interesting sort of Title, an
interesting brand. Then it's gotto have a message that makes me
want to check it out. Then it'sgot to have a product that I
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think is actually has somesubstance or has some value to
it. So we moved through a bunchof different brands, created a
bunch of different brands,launched the brands. They do
well, get more clients, etc. AndI realized I'm decent at this.
My business partner and I got tothis point where we talk about
how when we were doing so, whenI was doing soap opera, you
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would go to fan events. So yougo to appearances or
conventions, and you would meetall these people that would say
they're getting lined to do aphoto in a meet and greet, and
you'd sign autograph and have achat and take a photo. And the
amount of people that I met thatsaid the girl I'm with, or the
guy I'm with, or the group ofgirls, or whatever it was, would
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say, because of your characterand your show. We met, we have
things to talk about. We talkabout this, we talk about that,
and I we never knew how much wehad in common once we started
talking we love the same teens,the same movies, the same
hobbies. So it got me thinking,How many people do we walk by
every day that we just pass thathave so much in common with us
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that we would never know. We'dnever know there must be someone
right now on the other side ofthe planet, whether it be in
Finland, Tokyo, Botswana, itdoesn't matter that has the same
things in common that I do. SoI'm like, how do you find those
people? And then how do youstreamline the process so that
you can universally pass it outto people, so that people no
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longer have to be a strangeragain, we came up with the idea
of Dysko, and Dysko basically iswhere my heart and soul lies at
the moment. And Dysko is an AInetworking application. It
allows people to create aprofile, choose from 100 social
tags that are preset and 100work tags. You can also add your
own tags if you want, butgenerally we have it like 100
every job, every occupation,every hobby, whatever you
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choose. Just click, click,click, click, click, click,
click. You make your profile.Then when you walk out of the
house and walk around, you canset your radius to be half a
mile, point two mile, up to 10miles, if anyone enters that geo
fence radius. As you walk, itfollows you around. You match.
The app notifies you thatperson's in your area. It'll say
you have say 10 tags in common,five tags in common, 20 tags in
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common. You then see theperson's profile. You see the
tags you have in common. Youtack the tags that you want to
talk that person about and sendan AI message. And the AI
message will be an icebreakerfor Hey, we're in this
proximity. We have all thesethings in common. It's good to
meet you. So it initially beganin the idea with the idea of
bringing just strangerstogether, but then we started
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approaching universities,because I have a son in college
at the moment. I have anotherson who's 16, and one of the
things that we notice is thatkids are leaving going to
colleges, and the first year ishell. They don't know anybody
they they are struggling to getthis social life kicked off and
going, which they've heard aboutin the college experience. But
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they've got to get their grades,whatever. So I'm like, they
must, I say them all the time.There must be kids walking
around that have the same thingin common with you. He goes,
Dad, you don't understand. Youcan't even go up to them and
like, they're in a group and putyour head in be like, Hey guys,
what are you talking about?There's look at you and you
realize these kids have lostthat in place, in person, skill
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set that we had going to school.And they hide behind their phone
and their screen. And so I'mlike, how do we create this
technology that make the humanexperience greater. And then we
went to these colleges, fromSyracuse to Kentucky University
to Southern University, and wepitched them. We would say them,
what are you finding? Is themost prominent obstacle that new
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students are facing? And they'lltell you, well, they don't find
friends easily. They don'tcommunicate with their
professors correctly. Then Okay,so what if I told you that we
have a piece of technology thatcan help a student and faculty
streamline the way that theyconnect about things that
actually need to connect about.Now I'm listening. Southern
University was reallyinteresting because it's an HBCU
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school. It's the largest one inthe country, and Southern
University said to us, thebiggest problem we have is that
a lot of the kids who come herecome from very small, rural
towns. It's not that they don'tmake friends easily. They have
this culture shock, and whenthey get to the big city in the
school, they shut down, and mostof them shut down to the point
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where their grades start to fallapart, and then they drop out.
We said, Okay, so here's oursolution. Disco will allow a
kid, before he gets to college,on the very first day, to place
his Dysko profile at the school.We call it Dysko billboards. So
you can place your profile oncampus. Every kid can do it. So
let's say I know I'm going to goto that school in September, and
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we're now in June, I can justplace it there, and every kid
who's going to go to that schoolcan instantly start connecting
with other kids before they getthere, make friends. So on day
one, they've already got theirfriends. The professors can put
their profile as a Dyskobillboard there and use all the
hashtags of what they'restarting. It could be like, you
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know, Professor Smith's econ101, class. It doesn't matter.
So you know, if I'm going to goin these classes here, all the
tags that I should be following,you can then streamline the
whole process, create studygroups, but if anything, then
the first day you walk oncampus, I can look around me and
see all the people that matchwith me. And as a dad with kids
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going through this, this meant alot to me, but then to hear from
the colleges that this willchange the college experience
with the kids. We knew we wereon the right path. The next
thing we're going, Okay, how doyou use it for a business
application? So we pitched HPEHewlett Packard enterprises, and
they said to us that conventionspaces for them took, say, 120
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people to fly there, you know,the carbon footprint and all the
sustainability stuff. Butoutside of that, they would go
there and say, we have a list of10 deals we want to try and
close. If we have one of thesemeetings set up where we think
post convention, we can closeit. It's successful. And we
said, so here's what ourtechnology does. Anyone can be
anywhere in the world and attenda convention without having to
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be there. So you place yourprofile there, you have all the
hashtags that define you. So nowyou don't have to go to the
convention. I could be on thebeach in Hawaii with my kids, or
I can attend 10 conventions in aday. Place my Dysko billboard
profile at any convention Iwant. And when people are either
there walking around in person,we Match AI takes over, or
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everyone can just drop in andstart connecting and doing it
that way. The response to thathas been very, very strong. So
all of the rejection allowed meto start saying I wasn't meant
to do that. I was meant to dothis. And I think as long as
what you're doing has a socialconscious, and the goal is to
create a creative society wherewe grow, as long as you adhere
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to that understanding and yourealize that you're on a path of
creation, and you have a greaterpurpose for that creation that
will basically allow people tohave a greater experience. It'll
bear the fruit. So for me now,Dysko and what it does that's
kind of where my journeys ledme. At the moment, I'm extremely
excited to see where it goesfrom here. Fingers crossed, incredible.
Stephanie Maas (24:02):
Yeah, I've got older kids, and most of my
nieces and nephews are at eithergoing to college or and just
that side of it, thathumanitarian side of it...
Daniel Goddard (24:11):
And think about dating too. Like it's my goal to
put Tinder out of business.Because right now you go on like
I hear, I hear from, ironically,the same girl who did the
fitness one. When I was talkingto her about this, I said she
was single. And I said, So doyou use dating app? She goes,
yeah. I said, which one? Shegoes, all of them. I said, What
do you mean all of them? Shegoes, Well, that's what you do.
(24:31):
Oh, and I said, So what's thatexperience like? She goes, Well,
you see the same people on everyapp because everyone's doing the
same thing. I said, So what'sthe number one problem? She
goes, you don't find people onthe level of depth you want,
because it's like, I like pets.You like pets. I don't smoke. I
don't smoke. We allow you tohave specificity with who you
(24:51):
are and what you do. You couldhave hashtag underwater basket
weaving, right? We give you thatspecificity. You could have
hashtag Tom. Brady sucks. TomBrady is the goat. So you can
really narrow it down, so yourealize there is a need for
people to create their ownsystems in order to match and
connect. And we give peoplethat. So I think we have three
(25:13):
lanes between schools,conventions and dating. And
ironically, we had a had ameeting with a very large VC
company, and they said, You needto stay in one lane. And this
harken back to SeePay. I'm like,oh my god, I can't believe these
people saying this to me. And myresponse to them was, I said, I
absolutely, absolutely agreed. Isaid, What Lane Do you think we
(25:33):
should be in? And they stoppedbecause I gave them three
scenarios, yeah. And they go theconvention space. I said, You
know what? I said, I completelyunderstand why you said that.
But let me ask you thisquestion, if we launched the app
and people who are notconvention space, people start
using it, and people start usingit for dating, would you mind
then if we became a two lanecompany, not just a one lane
(25:55):
company, and they said, Yeah,you can do that. So once again,
they don't know, theaters, goingpast experience states, the man
who chases two rabbits catchesneither.
Stephanie Maas (26:05):
Yes.
Daniel Goddard (26:06):
And that's what their point is. You can't be
like, Oh, we're over here. Oh,we're over here. So I'm like,
No, we're very focused on onelane. But when you drive along
in a highway and it's two lanes,and it opens up to four, you're
allowed to change lanes. Youdon't have to stay in the two
you're in. And they got that. SoI think, if anything, it's more
of a test to see if you're goingto, like, go off the deep end
and, like, start like, chasingrabbits, or you're going to stay
(26:28):
focused,
Stephanie Maas (26:29):
Super cool. Can't wait to see that launch.
You've been so generous withyour time.
Daniel Goddard (26:34):
I just I appreciate your time very much,
and I appreciate your listenerslistening. For me, I just
reached that point where I sortof found peace in so many
different aspects of my life,where before it was just
turmoil. And I would just wantlisteners to who are out of
crossroads in their life, oreven if they haven't reached a
crossroad, they're in the big,open wide parking lot, and they
(26:56):
don't know what direction to getout of the parking lot. You
know, just to realize that aslong as you have a passion, it
doesn't matter if it's repairingold shoes or or trimming the
roses in a garden, as long asyou have a passion for
something, you're so far infront of everybody else, because
(27:18):
most people are just automatonswho are just like just
robotically grinding their waythrough life up until they die,
and the goal in life is to domore than that.
Stephanie Maas (27:29):
That is awesome. Thank you so much.
Daniel Goddard (27:31):
My pleasure, Steph, take care. Love to talk
to you. I wish you all the best.
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